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| 02:34.28 | brachamh | bahahahahaha! wow i feel stupid now. i was trying to use regionset the other day to check the region setting of my one machine's disc drive, and i could not for the life of me get it to read the drive. well, i just went back to terminal on that machine and realized i was logged in via ssh to my server in that terminal window. so i'd installed regionset on my server and tried to use it there, without realizing which machine i was actually using. DUH! |
| 02:35.00 | Taserface | hah |
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| 05:42.21 | fAST | hi, i don't have internet on my laptop and don't have network cable. It's possible use some package for wifi? |
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| 05:44.39 | diogenes_ | fAST, you should use non-free ISO for laptops. |
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| 05:45.10 | fAST | i-m newbie, you can me show the url? |
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| 05:46.39 | milkt | !nonfree |
| 05:46.40 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. |
| 05:47.06 | jmcnaught | !firmware images |
| 05:47.06 | dpkg | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
| 05:47.16 | jmcnaught | fAST: ^ |
| 05:47.50 | fAST | ty so much |
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| 06:28.39 | catbeard | Hi everyone I'm trying to get Debian 10 installed on a HP ProLiant DL360 G7 using the unofficial non-free image including firmware for AMD 64. I'm wondering which ISO to use between cinnamon KDE XFCE and standard. I also need to run test disk to recover data to an SSHFS mount on another server. Which of the ISO files would be easiest to accomplish this? |
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| 06:30.21 | catbeard | I'll be using etcher to flash to a USB drive |
| 06:31.33 | catbeard | So basically I'll be using it as a live USB to recover the data and then also to replace the OS while I'm still in the live USB session |
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| 06:32.29 | jmcnaught | If you're installing use a netinst installer ISO instead of a live image. Also don't use etcher |
| 06:32.32 | jmcnaught | !etcher |
| 06:32.32 | dpkg | Etcher is not a reliable way to copy Debian images for installation. Instead, use cp or dd for linux or win32diskimager for Windows. https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch04s03.en.html |
| 06:33.19 | catbeard | The HP server requires the firmware-bnx2 package and it looks like the standard ISO .packages file has it |
| 06:33.37 | jmcnaught | !firmware images |
| 06:33.37 | dpkg | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
| 06:33.55 | catbeard | Aha |
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| 06:35.46 | catbeard | I was at the images including firmware directory not CD including firmware directory |
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| 06:39.21 | catbeard | So I can just drop to a root shell before installing and apt install testdisk |
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| 08:40.41 | Lope | what does lspci use to fill in all the labels etc of devices? |
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| 08:47.12 | ec0 | the package ships with a pci.ids file |
| 08:48.05 | ec0 | which in turn comes from http://pci-ids.ucw.cz |
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| 08:57.32 | ratrace | yes I too think the database is systemd's |
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| 08:59.40 | ec0 | depends on the release |
| 09:00.00 | ec0 | buster still ships /usr/share/misc/pci.ids |
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| 10:24.06 | BlakesSeven | Good morning. I'm trying to track down a problem and I need some help. Problem: I'm using rsync to copy files from one volume to a second volume. 1st volume is connected via SATA. 2nd volume is USB3. Transfer speeds begin at +60MBps then it hits a wall and drops to sub 10MBps. |
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| 10:25.22 | ratrace | that's because the kernel is lying. initial high speeds are due to writeback cache (pagefile cache) then it goes down as the kernel actually starts to push those pages out via usb. are those speeds mega BITS per second, or did you misspell mega BYTES per second? |
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| 10:25.54 | BlakesSeven | MBps = Megabytes Mbps = Megabits, yeah? |
| 10:26.47 | ratrace | some would say MBps is bits too. so you actually mean MB/s ? |
| 10:27.13 | BlakesSeven | I'm not sure the kernel is lying....I didn't experience the drop during the first 500GB of data transferred. The speeds were good and now they start good, and drop off the cliff. |
| 10:27.15 | BlakesSeven | Megabytes. |
| 10:27.20 | ratrace | so 10MB/s is not uncommon for random read/write USB ... spinning rust? |
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| 10:27.55 | ratrace | BlakesSeven: also note that transferring new large files is more sequential and less IOPS-y than transferring large number of smaller files. are you hitting a pool of larger number of smaller files when the speed drops? |
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| 10:28.27 | BlakesSeven | Platters, configured in a striped set. |
| 10:28.28 | ratrace | anyway these numbers don't look out of the ordinary for USB file transfer |
| 10:29.22 | BlakesSeven | It seems out of the ordinary for USB 3.0, doesn't it? |
| 10:29.27 | ratrace | could also check dmesg to see if there's flaky USB connection, if there are any errors that cause repeated commands |
| 10:29.35 | ratrace | BlakesSeven: it doesn't |
| 10:30.16 | ratrace | theoretical max transfer speed for usb3 is one thing, but there's a ton of other factors. there's huge latency for usb commands, so many tiny trnsfers will suffer huge performance penalty |
| 10:30.34 | BlakesSeven | The file sizes are between 350MB and several GB. There aren't really any small files. |
| 10:31.09 | ratrace | and even with what you think is sequential write, with rsync it's a random RW workload, as rsync transfers in batches, rechecks delta chunks, etc... |
| 10:31.16 | BlakesSeven | I get that, but that's not what I generally have experienced using USB 3.0 and it certainly seemed to perform well during the first half of the transfer. |
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| 10:32.50 | ratrace | see if -W helps as that should (in theory) reduce the number of USB commands and thus latency |
| 10:33.39 | BlakesSeven | I can stop the transfer right now, delete the last 5 files it transferred at 8MBps, restart the sync and watch them transfer at +60MB/s and then at some point it'll fall off that cliff again. I don't believe it's sequential read/writes that's the issue. If that were the case would those same files transfer at the same speeds? |
| 10:34.02 | BlakesSeven | It feels like some sort of bus/buffer saturation. |
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| 10:34.28 | ratrace | yes in that case, that doesn't look like IOPS issue. |
| 10:34.56 | BlakesSeven | I just don't know how to troubleshoot at that level. |
| 10:35.04 | ratrace | did you check dmesg? |
| 10:35.50 | BlakesSeven | No errors or weird messages since reboot, which I did like 30 minutes ago. |
| 10:37.27 | ratrace | then I suppose you could try stracing rsync, with -o so it outputs into a file rather than much slower console or terminal. maybe even put that file onto a tmpfs so that it minimizes latency interference |
| 10:38.17 | ratrace | consider using -T as well so it logs times spent in syscalls, so you can compare the "before" and "after" |
| 10:39.02 | BlakesSeven | I'll give that a try. Thanks. |
| 10:39.14 | ratrace | how much RAM you got there? |
| 10:39.30 | BlakesSeven | 8GB, currently using 5GB. |
| 10:40.32 | ratrace | and how soon after rsync started does it drop off? is it after some constant time, or after some constant number of bytes transferred? you can use --info=progress2 to observe overall transfer progress |
| 10:42.02 | jelly | BlakesSeven, show the mount options for your usb-connected device. |
| 10:42.13 | jelly | verify there's no "sync" option |
| 10:43.01 | BlakesSeven | ratrace, sometimes a few second after transfer starts, other times it can transfer a couple of files and then drop. |
| 10:43.03 | ratrace | ahhh.... one more possibility. rsync takes memory. if you're using 5 out of 8 .... does it perhaps start swapping when the speed drops off? |
| 10:43.20 | jelly | 10MB/s is a slow USB2 disk or stick speed, usb3 connected sata HDD ought to go 60-100MB/s sustained single thread write |
| 10:43.43 | BlakesSeven | ratrace, currently using 2MB of swap. |
| 10:43.48 | BlakesSeven | So not really. |
| 10:43.55 | jelly | but "slow down after 500MB" sounds like dirty buffers in kernel, that is "kernel lying" |
| 10:44.04 | ratrace | 500GB |
| 10:44.27 | ratrace | the dirty buffers being paged out later was my first assumption |
| 10:44.36 | BlakesSeven | jelly, zfs mount /media/usb3 |
| 10:44.42 | ratrace | but not for 500GB with 8GB of total RAM |
| 10:45.34 | jelly | oh, after 500GB, then it's definitely not unwritten buffers :-) |
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| 10:45.36 | ratrace | BlakesSeven: "currently", but what about when the speed drop occurs? and don't look absolute swap usage, but page traffic with vmstat |
| 10:46.05 | jelly | I have no idea how zfs works, and how it allocates RAM |
| 10:46.07 | ratrace | you say ZFS ... ZFS's ARC is in conflict with pagecache and in some circumstances too slow to release memory, so it _could_ cause swapping when rsync requires more RAM |
| 10:46.09 | BlakesSeven | ratrace, the speeds drop has already happened. Currently using 2MB of swap. |
| 10:46.17 | ratrace | oh, okay then. |
| 10:46.50 | jelly | BlakesSeven, run "iostat -mxN 5", let it run for a minute, pastebin |
| 10:46.58 | ratrace | I'm using rsync to back up ZFS snapshots (yes, not using zfs send|recv for a good reason), and haven't observed that problem. I've got millions of files to sift through per run |
| 10:47.13 | ratrace | but then, not to USB, but over ssh |
| 10:47.38 | ratrace | (so I don't think it's inherent in ZFS+rsync, as I've been doing quite a lot of those) |
| 10:47.47 | BlakesSeven | jelly, that command isn't installed, running Debian, lemme find the package and install it. |
| 10:47.53 | ratrace | sysstat |
| 10:48.32 | jelly | how do people even live without vmstat and iostat |
| 10:48.34 | ratrace | I'd really look at strace and try to figure out which (class of) syscalls starts running longer |
| 10:49.04 | BlakesSeven | oooooh, me likey new command. |
| 10:49.20 | ratrace | my bet is that the USB/SATA converter, being a flakey consumer crapshiz that they are ... is buggy |
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| 10:49.58 | jelly | %util, svctm, request size and queue size can be useful |
| 10:50.22 | jelly | new iostat -x has lots of additional stats |
| 10:50.36 | jelly | that are honestly less useful. And the colors are weird. |
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| 10:50.55 | ratrace | yeah it'd be interesting to see the before and after situation in the iostat table |
| 10:51.01 | BlakesSeven | Yeah, I don't like dark blue, have a hard time seeing it. |
| 10:51.52 | jelly | S_COLORS=never iostat ... |
| 10:51.54 | jelly | apparently |
| 10:52.08 | ratrace | likes the colors. |
| 10:52.20 | ratrace | uses a sane urxvt color scheme where blue is nicely visible |
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| 10:53.39 | jelly | they don't work with a dark bg for me |
| 10:53.42 | ratrace | also, add the device before that 5, so you get more readable output just for that device. I'd also increase the time to 10 or even 30, if you cover the "before" and "after" in the same run |
| 10:53.51 | ratrace | jelly: you can change them you know |
| 10:54.05 | BlakesSeven | So the drives in the striped set in the USB enclosure are reporting 98% utilization. I'm guessing that's "bad" and that's my problem indicating bus saturation. |
| 10:54.33 | ratrace | the shell colors are discreete and named, you can have the "blue" be bright yellow if you want |
| 10:54.38 | jelly | you can't know whether that's zfs fault or scsi fault or driver fault |
| 10:54.58 | jelly | just that kernel sees lots of time spent waiting there |
| 10:55.10 | ratrace | bets it's poor USB/SATA converter's fault |
| 10:55.53 | jelly | BlakesSeven, what you _can_ see is, if requests are very small, and if svctm is higher than 2-8ms expected for a sata disk |
| 10:56.09 | ratrace | surely not over USB |
| 10:56.40 | jelly | HDD work better if kernel sends larger chunks, like 256KiB at a tim |
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| 10:58.15 | BlakesSeven | I've got to get to work. I appreciate the assistance. I'll be back tonight to continue working on this. You guys have really helped and I've enjoyed gleening knowledge from your expertise. |
| 10:58.27 | BlakesSeven | Thanks. |
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| 11:17.41 | jelly | ,v youtube-dl |
| 11:17.42 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1; stretch-backports: 2019.01.17-1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 2019.01.17-1.1; buster-backports: 2021.01.08-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2021.02.04.1-1; sid: 2021.02.10-1; bullseye-multimedia: 2021.02.10-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 2021.02.10-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2021.02.10-dmo1 |
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| 11:24.16 | Logg | hey, I know this is bad and dumb, but I would just like to get your opinion on how bad and dumb this is: |
| 11:24.18 | Logg | logg ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/sudo |
| 11:24.35 | Logg | then I can do `sudo sudo -i` to get to root without password |
| 11:26.02 | NetTerminalGene | guys, when i watch big sized video with mpv, it fills the ram and crash after a while. it says: "mpv/vo[22304]: segfault at 4 - some numbers - error 6 in libc-2.28.so". i looked at system monitor how much ram mpv uses. it uses around 300 mb. but if i close it, it frees 3.5 Gb. what is the problem? |
| 11:26.13 | ratrace | Logg: extremely dumb |
| 11:26.35 | Logg | ratrace, nice. |
| 11:26.57 | ratrace | Logg: just log in as root and forget about all the "unprivileged" nonsense |
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| 11:28.38 | ratrace | NetTerminalGene: "system monitor" is not really an authoritative tool, it's just consumer oriented bling. use (h)top or ps to see various memory components, especially rss. |
| 11:28.55 | JackFrost | Though things like firefox and all will most likely refuse to run, since you are root. |
| 11:29.14 | ratrace | oh that was sarcasm, if it wasn't clear :) |
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| 11:30.51 | jelly | Logg, about as dumb as sudo su - |
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| 11:32.11 | Taserface | sudo su - $USER |
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| 11:34.19 | Taserface | sudo su - $USER date | cat |
| 11:35.06 | Taserface | waitwaitwait, lemme figure out how to fit systemd in there somewhere |
| 11:35.43 | ratrace | systemd-run sudo su -l curl <url> | systemd-run sudo su - $USER bash |
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| 11:37.12 | ratrace | oh yes, also write a polkit js snippet to allow passwordless pkexec sudo su over dbus |
| 11:37.31 | Logg | alias sudo="sudo sudo" ð¤ |
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| 12:09.27 | teus | hi. ive upgraded debian 8 to 10, and something is off with mysql. pretty basic webserver. first i had to disable apparmor, then it still won't work |
| 12:09.44 | teus | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.34 | teus | when i try to log in to the database. strangely i see no errors in the journal or logs. mysql runs, but /var/run/mysqld doesnt exist |
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| 12:12.31 | jelly | teus, did you go 8 -> 9, then 9 -> 10 with release upgrades, that is the only supported method |
| 12:12.59 | teus | yeah thats what i did |
| 12:13.08 | teus | i also took a full backup |
| 12:13.12 | Taserface | did it work at 9? |
| 12:13.39 | teus | i rebooted to test 9, but didnt check the webserver or mysql |
| 12:13.48 | jelly | teus, good. what does "systemctl status mariadb" say |
| 12:13.58 | jelly | well less good on that... |
| 12:14.02 | jelly | !paste |
| 12:14.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 12:14.09 | teus | Unit mariadb.service could not be found. |
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| 12:14.37 | jelly | teus, if mysql server is not installed at all, that can be a problem running it! |
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| 12:15.22 | jelly | teus, is there a /usr/sbin/mysqld file, and which package does it belong to: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/mysqld |
| 12:16.00 | teus | it exists, mysql-server-core-5.5: /usr/sbin/mysqld |
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| 12:20.43 | jelly | so you still have old mysqld from debian 8 |
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| 12:21.34 | teus | looks like i missed that transition |
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| 12:22.03 | teus | thanks, i'll look up the proper migration |
| 12:22.48 | jelly | teus, pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy mysql-server default-mysql-server mariadb-server" and "dpkg -l mysql\*server\* | grep ^.i" |
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| 12:23.42 | welldone | seemse normal users cannot run services on port 80 as it's privileged; where is this configured in Linux and is it possible to allow normal users to use it? |
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| 12:24.34 | jelly | welldone, in the kernel; the capability can be added on a per-executable basis |
| 12:25.46 | jelly | there are alternatives now, like making your custom service systemd capable, and letting systemd install the listener socket |
| 12:25.50 | teus | jelly: https://pastebin.com/JqLGnjX2 |
| 12:26.47 | serard | Hello. I have such situtation : I want to "proxy" a command on a host to another host via ssh. Is there any soft helping in doing that ? |
| 12:27.03 | jelly | teus, that's weird. Well, if you have a backup of /var/lib/mysql, or the whole system, you could just install default-mysql-server and see what happens |
| 12:27.32 | teus | okay |
| 12:27.37 | serard | practically, I want to be able to run a proxy app, proxying execs to a remote ssh, with input/output |
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| 12:29.05 | jelly | serard, ssh client offers that functionality itself, what's wrong using "ssh server foo" to run foo on server, and keeping stdin and stdout from current terminal? |
| 12:29.31 | serard | jelly yes ok what a stupid question :) |
| 12:30.04 | jelly | there are no stupid questions |
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| 12:34.46 | eb0t_ | hey i was wondering about running debian testing....i understand it is not the finished article...but do people who do a bit of coding and maybe use the system for business admin stuff..do they get a lot of issues with testing? |
| 12:35.25 | teus | jelly: its installed but wont start because of AVC |
| 12:35.26 | eb0t_ | if it is crashing and locking up all the time for the average user, then its a none starter |
| 12:35.29 | teus | im working on it |
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| 12:37.10 | teus | aight |
| 12:37.26 | teus | its working again, thanks for the swift answers jelly |
| 12:38.03 | jelly | what is AVC? |
| 12:40.40 | jelly | eb0t_, it can be used, but you're supposed to be able to report stuff that breaks and maybe help fixing. Also, installability and usability varies depending on the seasons (of the release cycle) |
| 12:40.59 | eb0t_ | ah ok ....thanks jelly |
| 12:41.30 | eb0t_ | i think ill avoid it for now...in fact, i have 2 machines , maybe ill install on the less critical machine ..thanks |
| 12:41.55 | jelly | having at least one extra computer for actual work is a good idea, yes |
| 12:42.03 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 12:42.03 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 12:43.19 | eb0t_ | thanks |
| 12:44.37 | teus | avu: apparmor |
| 12:44.44 | jelly | ah, gotcha |
| 12:45.34 | jelly | still mariadb ought to have a profile |
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| 12:46.23 | jelly | /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld # This file is intensionally empty to disable apparmor by default for newer [...] |
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| 12:52.17 | avu | teus: what? |
| 12:52.25 | avu | ah, wrong nick probably, nevermind :) |
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| 12:56.33 | teus | yeah |
| 12:56.37 | teus | i meant to say AVC |
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| 13:00.40 | jelly | irc clients: still can't autocomplete what you MEANT |
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| 13:00.55 | jelly | functionality to be implemented soon |
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| 13:26.35 | metbsd | did debian 10.8 did something to /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 13:26.45 | oxek | I see kernel 5.10 finally landed in buster-backports. Is there anything special I should be aware of before I upgrade from 4.19? |
| 13:26.55 | oxek | metbsd: compared to 10.7? No. |
| 13:27.12 | metbsd | why is there a resolvconf that overwrite my /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:27.46 | oxek | probably systemd |
| 13:27.52 | foxide | Because it manages the contents of resolv.conf based on the contents of /etc/network/interfaces - or whatever dhcp gets you. |
| 13:28.02 | foxide | oxek: "resolvconf" is literally the package name. |
| 13:28.09 | metbsd | but it doesn't happen in 10.7 |
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| 13:28.17 | oxek | foxide: and systemd hides itself as resolvconf as well |
| 13:28.18 | foxide | That's been in Debian since... uhh... |
| 13:28.27 | foxide | oxek: No, it's called resolved, and it doesn't hide at all. |
| 13:28.36 | metbsd | why would i want something else to config my resolv.conf |
| 13:28.49 | metbsd | i don't get the point of it |
| 13:28.57 | foxide | metbsd: Because the alternative is you do it yourself, which in the case of dhcp, kinda sucks. |
| 13:29.07 | foxide | https://packages.debian.org/buster/resolvconf |
| 13:29.18 | metbsd | but i'm not configuring it as dhcp. it's static |
| 13:29.24 | oxek | foxide: systemd literally provides the /usr/bin/resolvconf symlink |
| 13:29.56 | metbsd | allow-hotplug ens3 |
| 13:29.56 | metbsd | iface ens3 inet static |
| 13:30.03 | foxide | oxek: That's under /run/systemd/resolve, and it has nothing to do with resolvconf. |
| 13:30.23 | foxide | metbsd: dns-nameservers is what you'd put in /etc/network/interfaces under the given interface. |
| 13:30.31 | metbsd | so i need to define nameserver in /etc/network/interface instead ? |
| 13:30.31 | oxek | aside from systemd pretending to be compatible with resolvconf and hijacking the name :) |
| 13:30.39 | metbsd | before i just edit that resolv.conf file |
| 13:30.41 | foxide | oxek: It doesn't, and it doesn't. |
| 13:30.46 | foxide | metbsd: It's been that way in Debian since 2003. |
| 13:31.03 | foxide | oxek: Please stop the fud, I haven't even had coffee yet. |
| 13:31.21 | oxek | not fud, I'm not against systemd |
| 13:31.31 | foxide | oxek: Okay, then stop the gross inaccuracies. |
| 13:31.35 | metbsd | so resolvconf simply make a /etc/resolv.conf based on /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:31.39 | metbsd | that's what it does |
| 13:31.40 | metbsd | right? |
| 13:31.43 | foxide | Yup. |
| 13:31.50 | metbsd | useless thing |
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| 13:32.14 | metbsd | if it's static, admin will know how to edit resolv.conf |
| 13:32.23 | metbsd | if it's dhcp, the client writes resolv.conf |
| 13:32.24 | foxide | metbsd: Not at all. But if you're going to be an asshole about it, then you can do your own research from now on. |
| 13:32.39 | foxide | metbsd: I don't want a dhcp client directly mucking with my resolver configuration. |
| 13:32.46 | metbsd | why not |
| 13:32.46 | foxide | That's what resolvconf is FOR. |
| 13:33.01 | metbsd | dhcp client gets ip gateway and dns |
| 13:33.30 | foxide | metbsd: You seem to be laboring under the assumption that a given system can only ever have ONE interface getting its configuration from DHCP. |
| 13:33.50 | foxide | I have a system with three. All three of those clients trying to walk over each other in one file? No thank you. |
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| 13:35.07 | metbsd | two interface getting ip/gateway/dns from two DHCP? |
| 13:35.23 | foxide | Three. |
| 13:35.25 | metbsd | if i have two eth why i use dhcp for both. |
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| 13:35.45 | foxide | Couldn't tell you. But I have a need to do so. Your simple use cases are not the only ones that exist. |
| 13:36.00 | metbsd | forget it |
| 13:36.10 | metbsd | all distribution try to be unique one way or another |
| 13:36.25 | metbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.52 | oxek | isn't openresolv the attempted solution to having multiple things try to modify /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 13:37.16 | foxide | oxek: And on what system is /usr/bin/resolvconf a symlink? |
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| 13:38.30 | foxide | resolvconf has been a solution to that for some 17, 18 years. openresolv I think tries to do the same thing, but I've never used it. |
| 13:38.41 | jelly | metbsd, resolvconf works for several simple situations better than a self-managed static /etc/resolv.conf, but there are still common situations it has problems with |
| 13:39.08 | jelly | vpn with a split dns is where resolvconf fails |
| 13:39.36 | jelly | but if you only have a local connection and sometimes a single vpn, that might be just fine |
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| 13:40.00 | metbsd | so i added dns-servers 8.8.8.8 8.8.6.6 |
| 13:40.05 | metbsd | and restart resolvconf |
| 13:40.12 | metbsd | it's doing nothing to resolv.conf |
| 13:40.52 | jelly | metbsd, you don't call resolvconf directly, and there's no service that I know if. You ifdown and ifup the interface whose config was changed |
| 13:40.57 | oxek | foxide: my bad, I meant /usr/sbin |
| 13:41.24 | jelly | metbsd, be careful if you're connected remotely over that same interface |
| 13:41.27 | foxide | oxek: Yeah, /usr/sbin/resolvconf isn't a symlink, either. It's a shell script. |
| 13:41.29 | metbsd | there is systemctl restart resolvconf.service |
| 13:42.00 | metbsd | that's what im concern |
| 13:42.14 | oxek | foxide: interesting, you're correct. And I can't find out which package actually installs /usr/sbin/resolvconf |
| 13:42.18 | metbsd | i might lose connection |
| 13:42.20 | foxide | resolvconf |
| 13:42.35 | foxide | # This file is part of the resolvconf package. |
| 13:42.42 | oxek | ,file /usr/sbin/resolvconf |
| 13:42.48 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 13:42.52 | jelly | metbsd, do it only after you have access to console. Or just reboot |
| 13:43.10 | metbsd | hmm i don't have access. it's remote |
| 13:43.18 | oxek | foxide: I don't have that comment there |
| 13:43.22 | metbsd | don't even have monitor for it |
| 13:44.34 | foxide | Ah, that's why. /sbin is a symlink to /usr/sbin. |
| 13:44.37 | foxide | ,file /sbin/resolvconf |
| 13:44.42 | judd | Search for /sbin/resolvconf in buster/amd64: openresolv: sbin/resolvconf; resolvconf: sbin/resolvconf |
| 13:45.32 | metbsd | https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/YG6fXzRFtz/ |
| 13:45.38 | metbsd | i think i'll take the risk |
| 13:45.44 | metbsd | does this interfaces looks ok |
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| 13:47.10 | metbsd | if down then ifup? |
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| 13:49.36 | metbsd | can i remove resolvconf package |
| 13:50.23 | metbsd | super useless to me |
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| 13:52.50 | oxek | you can remove it |
| 13:53.05 | oxek | especially since you know how to edit /etc/resolv.conf manually in case you lose DNS connectivity |
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| 13:54.09 | oxek | keep in mind that you likely have several other things that try to manage /etc/resolv.conf, such as NetworkManager and systemd-resolvd, and maybe others |
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| 13:56.36 | metbsd | i used NetworkManager for that gui applet in xfce before |
| 13:56.44 | metbsd | don't know what's systemd-resolvd for |
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| 13:57.36 | oxek | I don't know that either |
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| 14:12.42 | slowly_stuck | is there better documentation for installing debian from the running OS than https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap? Parts don't seem to work, and I don't have confidence that system will boot |
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| 14:26.17 | peetah | hello, now that livemedia has been removed from testing, does a replacement have been considered so that vlc can continue to play rtsp streams or should it be considered a debian regression bug ? |
| 14:26.44 | peetah | s/does a replacement have/has a replacement/ |
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| 14:29.12 | peetah | oops sorry, I did not see there was a #debian-next channel dedicated to testing⦠|
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| 14:38.10 | NetTerminalGene | mpv hw decoding doesn't work on debian 10. it works with vlc |
| 14:38.21 | NetTerminalGene | anyone knows something about this? |
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| 14:39.40 | brontosaurusrex | NetTerminalGene: There is mpv.conf with various options irc. |
| 14:41.11 | ratrace | slowly_stuck: what parts don't work' |
| 14:41.26 | NetTerminalGene | brontosaurusrex: yes. i have hwdec=vaapi . but it doesn't work. it was working on debian 9 |
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| 14:45.34 | brontosaurusrex | try: hwdec=auto |
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| 14:49.28 | tinga | Is it possible to configure apt to not fail if another apt instance is already holding the lock, but instead wait for it to be released? |
| 14:52.31 | brontosaurusrex | NetTerminalGene: Also maybe read https://mpv.io/manual/stable/#video |
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| 14:52.48 | bopeep | tinga, as in having two apts running? |
| 14:53.09 | tinga | Yes (well, one of them waiting) |
| 14:53.12 | bopeep | or perform an action when the first apt stops? |
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| 14:53.24 | bopeep | sure, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 14:53.28 | bopeep | is that what you are thinking? |
| 14:53.42 | tinga | Just have the lock behave as any normal lock (pthread locks etc.) works. |
| 14:54.10 | tinga | no, like in "make -j2" where two `apt-get install`s are started in parallel. |
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| 14:55.23 | bopeep | I think its locked to prevent corruption of database etc. someone else may know more. |
| 14:55.48 | tinga | Instead of errors like "E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it?" I want it to optionally say "another process is locking /var/lib/dpkg/frontend-lock, waiting for it to be released", then wait for it to be released, then acquire it and do the work. |
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| 14:56.31 | realtime-neil | What is the Debian policy for where to keep logs produced by programs launched by a regular user? E.g., if a Qt application is launched via desktop shortcut, where should it write its log file? |
| 14:56.50 | bopeep | not that I am aware of, the lock is there to prevent corruption. someone else may be able to speak to this more. |
| 14:57.02 | tinga | Note how what I suggest does not lead to corruption. |
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| 14:59.01 | tinga | The fun part is that apparently things like ansible have tickets that add *another* lock *around* apt to get rid of this issue (as I now found out googling). And that is really stupid as this locks for the whole duration of the apt process running, while it would only be needed during those phases that apt actually locks--and it apparently has both frontend-lock as well as other locks now, which is *gooood* (fine grained), but |
| 14:59.01 | tinga | *useless* if it just leads to apt failing. |
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| 14:59.58 | bopeep | I think the same exists for dnf, zypper etc |
| 15:00.03 | slowly_stuck | ratrace: dselect isn't found (I think that step wants me to apt install various packages?), and then the getty step sounds like it requires local console to access |
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| 15:01.47 | ratrace | slowly_stuck: that's ancient |
| 15:02.22 | ratrace | slowly_stuck: to install with debootstrap you need, after debootstrapping into a dir, chroot there, apt isntall what you want + kernel + grub, set up root password, optionally network if that's remote |
| 15:03.03 | ratrace | slowly_stuck: but to make it bootable you need root pass + kernel + grub at minimum. |
| 15:03.08 | slowly_stuck | aha! I was about to ask about the lack of kernel. I shall try and do that specifically. Is there any documentation on those last steps? |
| 15:03.27 | ratrace | what last steps? |
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| 15:04.07 | ratrace | slowly_stuck: kernel is not default with debootstrap because it's then suitable for minimal container images. |
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| 15:04.58 | slowly_stuck | picking the right kernel and grub to install. I've never needed to select them. (installing linux-image-amd64 + grub-common) |
| 15:06.07 | ratrace | well that's it, there's nothing more to it |
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| 15:07.33 | slowly_stuck | ok, thank you! this was not obvious to me |
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| 15:08.55 | ratrace | slowly_stuck: oh yeah, one thing missing in that wiki, don't forget to set locale. not strictly needed for booting, but without locales you'll have annoying warnings and complaints by apt and anything that requires locales |
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| 15:14.49 | slowly_stuck | thanks, installed locales and reconfigured it :) so now I copied network config, set root password, enabled ssh, installed kernel and gub-pc, set locales. should i update-grub from the chroot, or leave that for the other disk? |
| 15:15.57 | ratrace | slowly_stuck: no need to update it unless you modified /etc/default/grub |
| 15:17.00 | ratrace | slowly_stuck: also important, depending on your root filesystem, /etc/fstab. it can boot without it, but might end up readonly fs which you'll have to manually remount. not sure how ssh connection would work with that, though |
| 15:18.42 | metbsd | may i get help for wsl2 debian? or i'll get pushed away to windows? |
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| 15:30.23 | slowly_stuck | ratrace: ooh, thanks! here's what I filled out for fstab - https://paste.debian.net/1185836/, look sensible? |
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| 16:05.55 | untakenstupidnic | Hi, would anyone make a .orig.tar.gz package for an extremely easy-to-build game project that is already ported to many platforms and has an old manually made .deb as well? |
| 16:06.20 | greycat | I don't think "easy-to-build" and "ported to many platforms" can coexist. |
| 16:06.58 | untakenstupidnic | greycat: written in super-portable C, building is make, make install |
| 16:07.16 | greycat | Sounds like a rarity. |
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| 16:08.18 | untakenstupidnic | https://github.com/abakh/nbsdgames |
| 16:08.34 | untakenstupidnic | Try it, people say it is cool. |
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| 16:12.11 | untakenstupidnic | The problem is that the guide for making source packages is too complex for my brain and I prefer to focus on development instead of maintaining the packages, also nobody reads RFPs and the guy who liked to package terminal games has disappeared from internet. |
| 16:13.01 | untakenstupidnic | (I mean the maintainer of nsnake and some others) |
| 16:13.48 | greycat | there's a #packaging channel on OFTC (NOT THIS NETWORK) that may be helpful |
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| 16:28.36 | untakenstupidnic | greycat: what is meant by "non-distro package repositories"? |
| 16:29.30 | greycat | any third-party one, like google's, or that place where some people used PHP from |
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| 16:38.25 | Lope | anyone here use nvidia with 2 GPU's? |
| 16:38.51 | Lope | nvidia-settings can set settings on the 2nd GPU via the GUI, but the CLI is only working for the 1st GPU |
| 16:39.05 | Lope | I suppose the usual answer is to strace the fucker. |
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| 16:45.25 | UncleKiwi | if i was to delete my /boot what would be the procedure to rebuilding that ie getting kernels and initramfs etc and all the other details - is there any procedure/guide I can follow |
| 16:45.27 | Lope | Is it possible to put 2 monitors inside 1 Screen in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
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| 16:52.15 | UncleKiwi | i know how to rebuild grub2 and reinstall grub - i think the other stuff what im needing to know |
| 16:53.01 | greycat | I would copy /boot from another Debian system of the same release and arch, and then reinstall my kernels. |
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| 16:53.54 | UncleKiwi | greycat: and reinstalling the kernels copy them again to /boot ? |
| 16:54.07 | greycat | obviously |
| 16:54.15 | n4dir | couldn't you just copy the whole content of /boot to a temporary directory, umount /boot, remove it from fstab, then copy from temporary directory to /boot ? |
| 16:54.33 | n4dir | instead of using another Debian system i mean |
| 16:54.34 | greycat | I'm guessing they already lost the contents and have no backup. |
| 16:54.40 | n4dir | ah, right |
| 16:54.53 | greycat | because a hypothetical "how would I..." is usually that. |
| 16:54.57 | UncleKiwi | n4dir: thanks for the idea |
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| 16:55.22 | UncleKiwi | im just wanting to have the ability to recover systems with damaged /boot |
| 16:55.43 | greycat | ... so make backups. |
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| 16:57.21 | UncleKiwi | greycat: yep i do have backups. In one case recently i restored a backup from the physical machine to a VM and had a bit of trouble getting it to boot - I had to mess around for a while and the solution was so problems with /boot |
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| 16:58.07 | UncleKiwi | i guess im looking to gain a bit of knowlegde of the boot process and what /boot is made up of |
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| 17:00.18 | n4dir | ... /boot is of that voodoo stuff which kinda always just works and you never really have to look into it .... |
| 17:00.36 | UncleKiwi | ah ok |
| 17:00.50 | UncleKiwi | yeah except when it doesnt work - and you need it to work |
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| 17:01.09 | UncleKiwi | and you are dancing on hot coals |
| 17:01.11 | n4dir | nah, that is me. Don't hesitate to investigate. For that one future case when i have problem |
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| 17:01.51 | nmschulte | Is it possible to prevent a process/program/application from being able to alter bluetooth (audio) device profiles? Microsoft continues to think that it knows better than I do and Teams changes my headset from A2DP to HSP/HFP. |
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| 17:03.44 | jandr | nmschulte, if you find out how, please do share! I am finding the same issue... It is useful when it auto-changes when joining a call, but most of the time we are just using teams to chat, and the A2DP profile would be better... |
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| 17:08.42 | nmschulte | jandr: this seems fruitful: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1205749/how-permanently-remove-or-disable-hsp-hfp-bluetooth-profile |
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| 17:10.17 | jandr | thanks nmschulte |
| 17:10.54 | nmschulte | auto_switch=false is perfect for me. |
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| 17:19.04 | jmd | How do I install gnome? |
| 17:20.14 | n4dir | the debian wiki probably has a website about it |
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| 17:20.37 | UncleKiwi | I know how to install a garden gnome |
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| 17:25.08 | jmd | The wiki says to enter "Advanced Options" but when I do that I get bash: Advance: command not found |
| 17:25.08 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:26.20 | noisemaker | I already installed the 'firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 17:26.28 | noisemaker | but no luck with wifi card detection. |
| 17:29.29 | noisemaker | fixed. |
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| 17:33.48 | greycat | !install gnome |
| 17:33.48 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install â¦Â» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 17:34.22 | greycat | I am just going to ignore all the bad jokes you made about "entering Advance Commands" in bash. Because otherwise I will either scream, or start crying. |
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| 17:36.07 | n4dir | :-) |
| 17:36.51 | ratrace | I entered Advanced Options once. They kicked me out, said I wasn't advanced. The joke's on them, I wasn't even an option! |
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| 18:33.19 | jelly | does gnome really need Xorg installed, tho? |
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| 18:34.40 | greycat | well, the factoid is old... if that's no longer true (and you're probably right), then fix it |
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| 18:44.06 | NetTerminalGene | anyone know what video output vlc uses on debian 10 when it is auto? |
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| 18:47.23 | jelly | that would probably require I install gnome |
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| 19:02.42 | jmcnaught | NetTerminalGene: try looking under Tools > Messages (Ctrl+M) and the modules tree tab. |
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| 19:04.43 | NetTerminalGene | jmcnaught: thanks. it says gl. is it opengl? |
| 19:04.54 | NetTerminalGene | gl_X11 |
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| 19:11.03 | Plan_IX | when i grabbed the 5.10 backport kernal my intel ax200 network card started to work thats the only thing that made any diffrence for me. |
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| 19:20.44 | oxek | I don't have any new hardware that would require it to boot, but am interested in btrfs (and exfat) fixes, and native wireguard |
| 19:20.58 | oxek | but don't know if 5.10's bugs have been squashed yet |
| 19:24.27 | sney | if you are using any dkms stuff, make sure it's compatible with 5.10 and the modules actually build before you try to boot into it. zfs will likely fail, as will nvidia-driver pre 460 |
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| 20:34.47 | urk | The hardware channel indicates that a non-UEFI version of Debian could be the reason my USB storage device is not being detected at bootup. I do wish to make a bootable boot stick that is not a network install, and wondering if someone can confirm whether or not the following URL represents the correct files that I should be using |
| 20:34.47 | urk | http://mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu/debian-cd/http://mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu/debian-cd/ |
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| 20:42.54 | urk | Stryker> Is this the correct URL for making a bootable UEFI install disk? http://mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu/debian-cd/ |
| 20:45.10 | diogenes_ | urk, https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 20:45.49 | jelly | urk, the default debian-installer is bootable both in UEFI and legacy bios / CSM mode |
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| 20:46.28 | jelly | it should also work with Secure Boot enabled |
| 20:47.46 | jelly | urk, write the iso to usb stick _directly_. Using unetbootin or rufus or similar can mess up the delicate details. |
| 20:47.52 | jelly | !usb install |
| 20:47.52 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
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| 20:49.04 | jelly | !custom d-i |
| 20:49.04 | dpkg | To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD . See also <blend>. |
| 20:49.19 | jelly | ^ if you want to make your own |
| 20:49.40 | jelly | (I do not know if those instructions are up to date) |
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| 21:15.48 | greycat | The installer has to be written to a CD, DVD or USB. |
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| 21:16.09 | greycat | If you don't like those options, perhaps you'll like debootstrap. |
| 21:18.28 | urk | Bootstrap is not what I am looking for, and I really don't understand what dpkg is conveying. Is this a UEFI install? |
| 21:19.55 | jmcnaught | urk: if the Debian installer boots in UEFI mode then it will do an UEFI install. If you do not want to download packages from the network during installation then choose a larger image like DVD-1 that contains more packages that can be installed from the ISO. |
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| 21:22.53 | urk | jmcnaught> My problem is that I made a boot stick, and it isn't detected by the Dell XPS 15 7590 bios. For whatever it is worth, the bios won't detect any other USB at bootup, but they are detect within the Windows 10 OS, and on other laptops with Linux where I am at. |
| 21:23.10 | greycat | A CD (for example) that you burn the installer onto can be booted in Legacy mode or in UEFI mode, depending on which modes of booting a CD your machine supports. |
| 21:24.19 | urk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.14 | greycat | I'm no expert in PC firmware (BIOS) options. If yours supports UEFI booting and that's what you want to use, then great. Make sure you wrote the image directly to the USB device (/dev/sdx not /dev/sdx1), and NOT as a file to a mounted USB file system. It has to be the raw device. |
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| 21:31.10 | urk | greycat> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qliyeh0epi2xeqb/20210217_094312-_1_.gif?dl=0 |
| 21:31.53 | urk | greycat> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9phxwgu2kjh1903/20210217_094312-_2_.gif?dl=0 |
| 21:32.36 | urk | Would you or anyone else on here know if I have selected the right options for creating a bootable install disk in UEFI? |
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| 21:34.38 | greycat | ... you don't "create a bootable disk in UEFI". You write the installer image to the USB device, and then you boot it in UEFI mode. Or Legacy mode. |
| 21:34.39 | urk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.06 | greycat | If you're in Microsoft Windows then I can't tell you how to write the image to the device. The install guide should have suggestions. |
| 21:35.27 | greycat | if you're in Linux, it's simply "cp image /device" where image is the filename and device is something like /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc |
| 21:35.32 | urk | greycat> Am I correct there is no legacy mode on here? And do I have the right options for botting into UEFI? |
| 21:35.42 | jhutchins | The Buster installer seems to handle UEFI better than Stretch did. I'm not sure what I ended up with on the previous laptop, but while it was a little confusing running through the grub/efi section it seems to have worked just fine. |
| 21:35.55 | urk | I"m on Win 10, but would like to install Debian Linux. |
| 21:35.59 | greycat | Buster is the first one to support Secure Boot, if that's a concern. |
| 21:36.26 | urk | I want to install Debian 10.8.0 stable. |
| 21:37.52 | jhutchins | urk: Are you replacing W10 or do you want to dual boot? |
| 21:38.13 | hermande | Morning Folks... I've got an RPI4 booting with iPXE on UEFI as a netboot. Running the Daily Installer for Bullseye. The installer stops and awaits for input. But no keyboard.. Any suggestions would be apprecieated. |
| 21:38.29 | urk | jhutchins> I want to get rid of Win 10 |
| 21:39.07 | urk | The boot stick I made is detected on an adjacent laptop, and it mounted right up. Additionally it is detected by Win 10, but not by the Dell bios. |
| 21:39.28 | jmcnaught | urk: how did you make the USB boot stick? |
| 21:39.36 | jhutchins | urk: I just did that. I ran the expert install, because I like to do my own partition scheme. |
| 21:40.02 | jhutchins | urk: I had to manually delete each Windows partition, then create swap and root. |
| 21:40.32 | urk | jmcnaught> Install disk was made with XPress Burn. Rufus is having a problem selecting the location for burning. |
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| 21:41.20 | jmcnaught | !win32diskimager |
| 21:41.20 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <rufus> or <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from https://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 21:41.54 | urk | I was thinking about trying to download a link, and do a net install using DHCP. If I get the same problems in Linux that I am getting in Windows then I will probably return the laptop to Dell. |
| 21:42.05 | jmcnaught | urk: it is quite possible that Xpress Burn has mangled the Debian hybrid image before copying it to the USB, use the above program to copy the image to USB instead. |
| 21:42.24 | mentor | urk: What key do you press to get to the boot selection menu on your laptop? |
| 21:42.33 | urk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.42 | jhutchins | urk: We find that there are a number of Windows image managers that do not create a usable image. |
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| 21:42.48 | urk | mentor> F12 |
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| 21:43.27 | urk | jhutchins> Image works great on my 20 year old HP Pavilion de4000 |
| 21:43.27 | jmcnaught | jhutchins: FYI you can do manual partitioning in normal (non-expert) install. |
| 21:43.56 | jmcnaught | Expert install just asks more questions during install that can be handled after installation. |
| 21:45.35 | urk | There are a lot of files in the windows manager folder. Do I need the one that says setup? https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/files/Build%20Tools/ |
| 21:45.55 | mentor | urk: Which options in the boot selection menu are for removable media? |
| 21:46.27 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: Ah. I don't do very many installs these days. |
| 21:46.33 | jmcnaught | urk: I think you should be able to just go to https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ and click the big green download button. |
| 21:48.04 | jhutchins | urk: HP used to build pretty good systems. Having bought a laptop a couple of years ago, I will not buy anything HP again. |
| 21:48.44 | jhutchins | It wanted to reset any customization I had done to Windows. UEFI was not standard/compatible. |
| 21:49.18 | urk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.58 | jhutchins | I've been working with a couple of Lattitudes the last few years, they've done pretty well. |
| 21:50.04 | urk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.55 | kingsley | Has the ability of text editors like vim to automatically render software/code elements with meaningful colors for programmers been applied to the English language? If so, does debian have a package? If so, what's it called? |
| 21:50.55 | urk | I was wondering if I should have bought a latitude instead. However, the 500 nit screen was hard to turn down. |
| 21:51.11 | urk | There is less tweaking with the latitude. |
| 21:54.15 | urk | Should I use the DVD? My memory stick is 256 GB. http://mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:54.41 | urk | There are three install disks in the dvd option. Is there an option that has only one install ISO? |
| 21:57.04 | urk | I previously downloaded the ISOs, but don't know what happened to them. |
| 21:57.32 | jmcnaught | Anything larger than a DVD or beyond DVD-3 you need to use jigdo to download. There are jigdo options for 16GB (meant for USB) and blurays. For most people DVD-1 is enough. |
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| 21:58.36 | urk | So I need a jigdo because I am burning to a 256 gb memory stick? |
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| 21:59.47 | jmcnaught | No, you need to use jigo if you want an image larger than a DVD to copy to your USB stick. You can copy a 200 MB netinst to the 256 GB stick and it will work. |
| 22:00.06 | jhutchins | I never got jigdo to work, I just do a normal HTML download, but I always do the netinstall which is smaller. |
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| 22:00.52 | Mister00X | jigdo is nice |
| 22:01.20 | urk | jmcnaught> Ok, I will just use the first ISO. |
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| 22:20.13 | Urk2 | ok, I am testing to see if I have the same typing problems I was having with Edge. No typing problems with Chrome so it looks like Edge has an Edge alright. |
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| 22:26.02 | ripdisk | hi |
| 22:29.44 | urk | I have to back pedal my complaint about Dell's support. After filing a complaint Dell support has gone into high gear, and over drive. My point is that Dell is still worth buying. Didn't want to get off topic, but thought I should correct the record since I had made a post earlier about my discontent with support. |
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| 22:32.02 | Ruint | icu \g |
| 22:34.49 | \g | yes hi |
| 22:35.00 | teus | bah dell |
| 22:35.56 | teus | dell replaced the mainboard on my work laptop and after i format i was stuck without windows license. dell said to contact microsoft, microsoft said to contact dell |
| 22:36.11 | ripdisk | oh Ruint's here too hi |
| 22:36.38 | teus | dell wasnt willing to escalate or let me talk to a manager or anything |
| 22:37.27 | teus | my work says "we buy dell for the good support" |
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| 22:59.11 | jhutchins | teus: Rule for future reference: write down the license code. Make backups. Run Linux, not Windows. |
| 23:00.17 | \g | To be fair, all of my interactions with Dell support have been great. Definitely better than Lenovo's at least |
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| 23:13.37 | tinga | I don't understand how to add a new binary to, say, /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator (with update-alternatives). |
| 23:14.17 | tinga | "update-alternatives --install /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator term /opt/chj/bin/term 1" does not work |
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| 23:17.52 | tinga | "update-alternatives --install /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator x-terminal-emulator /opt/chj/bin/term" didn't work either, and I might have completely messed it up now. No idea. |
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| 23:21.33 | tinga | If I can't figure out how something works it must be broken. |
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| 23:34.12 | tinga | So, I fixed it by removing /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator and then "update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator x-terminal-emulator /opt/chj/bin/term 1" |
| 23:34.43 | tinga | Now I don't understand why a tool that has 2800 LoC (of C) does not have proper docs or can't catch situations that make it break down. |
| 23:35.27 | tinga | Because it's certainly(tm) not me. |
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| 23:38.13 | urk | Looks like your suggestion with respect writing the disk worked, and I am now booting into Debian on the new laptop. However, don't know which ethernet card to select, and the install program isn't detecting it. I am installing from the unofficial source so the firmware should be on here. |
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| 23:42.27 | urk | Doesn't look like either one of the Realtek drivers works. |
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| 23:45.18 | urk | Doesn't look like this is an Orinoco either. I tried all four, and non were detected. |
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| 23:47.18 | sney | urk: you can look at the info console by pressing alt-f4 in the installer, that may give you more information. I think the shell prompts (alt-f2 or f3) have lspci in the environment as well, so you can find out what ethernet controller this is. |
| 23:47.32 | sney | if it still doesn't work with the image written correctly, your hardware may be too new for the firmware/kernel in buster. at that point you can either install using a dvd offline installer and set up the network later, or install bullseye instead. |
| 23:50.35 | urk | sney> thanks |
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| 23:51.30 | urk | sney> Alt F4 won't pull up the consol. I am locked into the screen that says "no ethernet card was detected. If you know the name of the driver needed by your Ethernet card, you can select it from the list. |
| 23:51.56 | sney | if you're in the graphical installer, it's ctrl-alt-f4. |
| 23:52.01 | urk | sney> I have looked on the net, and tried selecting different ones that other users indicated they had, and none worked. Apparently Dell uses many different cards for this year, and model. |
| 23:52.34 | sney | that's common, good thing we have tools like lspci. |
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| 23:54.15 | urk | Looks like it is an Orinoco, but not the drivers bundled with Debian. Probably best to skip the drivers for now, install the rest of the OS, and come back for them after the install. |
| 23:54.33 | urk | How do I get out of the console? |
| 23:54.40 | sney | alt-f1 will take you back |
| 23:55.45 | urk | I now have an error message indicating please fix the fbdev driver didn't call "number" to initialize the gamma values. |
| 23:56.11 | urk | HOw do I fix the fbdev DRIVER "4"??? |
| 23:56.20 | sney | that's a developer warning, can you skip past it? |
| 23:57.01 | urk | sney> How do I get out of the nag screen describing the developer warning? |
| 23:57.16 | sney | I never use the graphical installer so I don't know. try things |
| 23:57.39 | urk | I will look online for an Astrologer : ) |
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| 23:58.29 | urk | Maybe an Excorcist expert might work as well. |
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| 23:59.20 | sney | try pushing enter or clicking elsewhere on the screen. or just reboot and start the installer process again, if you were just setting up the network you were still in the beginning |
