| 00:00.00 | HelloShitty | ok, cable is plugged and I alreayd plugged the device |
| 00:00.11 | jochum | POWER ON |
| 00:00.14 | h-var | hey guys does anyone have a mechanical keyboard? |
| 00:00.24 | jochum | h-var: friend of mine has |
| 00:00.33 | jochum | I have an old Logitech G15 |
| 00:00.37 | h-var | keys on mine actuate actually before the "hump" |
| 00:00.42 | HelloShitty | jochum: TPlink device doesn't have a power button, It just goes live as soon as I plug it to mains |
| 00:00.47 | h-var | I was wondering is this normal, or is it a defect? |
| 00:01.08 | jochum | HelloShitty: ofc |
| 00:01.15 | h-var | I mean they can actuate easily even before you feel that hump when you press the key |
| 00:01.24 | HelloShitty | Now I should try to connect my laptop to TPLink wireless, no? |
| 00:01.34 | jochum | HelloShitty: do that ping scan again or go on the router's dhcp list |
| 00:02.01 | HelloShitty | ping scan? Did I do that before? |
| 00:02.11 | jochum | HelloShitty: nmap yes |
| 00:02.18 | HelloShitty | ahh |
| 00:03.07 | HelloShitty | no ip still for this TPLink shit |
| 00:03.14 | HelloShitty | I'm getting sick of it for today |
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| 00:03.46 | jochum | TP-Link = Shit, yes |
| 00:03.53 | jochum | HelloShitty: last try |
| 00:03.59 | HelloShitty | sure |
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| 00:04.24 | jochum | HelloShitty: "ip addr add 192.168.0.253/24 dev <ip addr wlan device here>" |
| 00:04.29 | jochum | sudo |
| 00:05.04 | jochum | I'm to lazy to look again for your ip addr output |
| 00:05.14 | jochum | have it |
| 00:05.26 | jochum | sudo ip addr add 192.168.0.253/24 dev wlp4s0 |
| 00:05.30 | jochum | you won't loos inet |
| 00:05.34 | jochum | e |
| 00:06.04 | HelloShitty | Are you sure? My daughter needs my laptop tomorrow for her classes |
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| 00:06.05 | HelloShitty | lol |
| 00:06.14 | jochum | np, its temporary |
| 00:06.19 | HelloShitty | I don't want to mess this up and risk her missing her classes |
| 00:06.23 | HelloShitty | :( |
| 00:06.35 | jochum | Realy, you won't mess the laptop |
| 00:06.47 | jochum | after reboot/or another command its gone |
| 00:06.49 | HelloShitty | ok, if I can't come back I jsut reboot right? |
| 00:06.52 | HelloShitty | ok |
| 00:07.22 | HelloShitty | done |
| 00:07.31 | jochum | please tell me "ping 192.168.0.254" works |
| 00:07.51 | jochum | if not, we wasted a lot of time and you please go and trash this crap ;P |
| 00:08.00 | HelloShitty | yes it works |
| 00:08.03 | jochum | good |
| 00:08.07 | jochum | open browser |
| 00:08.16 | jochum | and configure it according to the readme |
| 00:08.19 | jochum | we are done ;P |
| 00:08.25 | jochum | manual i mean |
| 00:08.30 | HelloShitty | I'm in |
| 00:08.40 | HelloShitty | Already input admin / admin |
| 00:08.42 | HelloShitty | :) |
| 00:08.58 | HelloShitty | but it says: |
| 00:09.16 | HelloShitty | You don't have authority to to access this router! |
| 00:09.18 | HelloShitty | lool |
| 00:09.25 | HelloShitty | The config page itself says that |
| 00:09.32 | HelloShitty | after I enter admin admin |
| 00:09.37 | jochum | Did you change pw arleady? |
| 00:09.41 | HelloShitty | but let try again |
| 00:09.49 | HelloShitty | because my 'd' key is almost dead |
| 00:10.02 | HelloShitty | maybe it missed the 'd' key in the password |
| 00:10.26 | jochum | That fuckshit shouldn't let you in without a "d" |
| 00:10.49 | HelloShitty | now I can't repeat the login |
| 00:10.54 | HelloShitty | but probably you're right |
| 00:11.00 | HelloShitty | I entered things correctly |
| 00:11.06 | HelloShitty | but let me show you what I see |
| 00:11.08 | HelloShitty | A second |
| 00:11.44 | HelloShitty | https://i.ibb.co/9nL2VcP/image.png |
| 00:13.12 | HelloShitty | I tried to clear my browser data but still cdoesn't let me enter the login credentials |
| 00:13.15 | jochum | ABP and Ublock? :) |
| 00:13.30 | HelloShitty | yep |
| 00:13.54 | HelloShitty | and noscript |
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| 00:14.04 | HelloShitty | but that one was already deactivated |
| 00:14.11 | jochum | Go into developer mode |
| 00:14.14 | jochum | In Firefox |
| 00:14.20 | jochum | Then clear Application data |
| 00:14.28 | jochum | (Or easier use a different browser) |
| 00:14.32 | jochum | or private mode |
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| 00:16.34 | HelloShitty | now I made sure I entered admin /admin and site says the same |
| 00:17.30 | jochum | https://community.tp-link.com/en/home/forum/topic/74815?page=2 |
| 00:17.32 | jochum | Answer 13 |
| 00:17.44 | HelloShitty | let me see |
| 00:17.53 | jochum | HelloShitty: you have chrome/chromium? |
| 00:18.20 | jochum | Just try in private mode first |
| 00:18.26 | jochum | Without all of your extensions |
| 00:19.04 | HelloShitty | I tried in Private Window |
| 00:19.06 | HelloShitty | Didn't work |
| 00:19.15 | jochum | ok, chromium? |
| 00:19.19 | HelloShitty | but now with that answer 13, it works, I guess |
| 00:19.22 | HelloShitty | firefox |
| 00:19.24 | jochum | k |
| 00:19.44 | jochum | This TP-link things |
| 00:19.51 | jochum | Always happy with em |
| 00:20.13 | HelloShitty | and let me see if this isw going anywhere |
| 00:20.14 | HelloShitty | lol |
| 00:20.24 | HelloShitty | Let me see what this setup page ends up with |
| 00:20.30 | jochum | Boom |
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| 00:22.47 | jochum | It reboots? |
| 00:24.34 | HelloShitty | wait |
| 00:24.39 | HelloShitty | It's configuring it |
| 00:24.48 | HelloShitty | At least it already has more leds on |
| 00:26.50 | jochum | HelloShitty: you know where to deploy it? |
| 00:27.03 | jochum | It needs good wlan to make a range of better wlan |
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| 00:27.59 | HelloShitty | Well, I think it works |
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| 00:28.10 | HelloShitty | but I think I lost access to its configuration page |
| 00:28.40 | HelloShitty | I'm connected to it's wireless but I can't navigate it's configuration page |
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| 00:29.57 | jochum | HelloShitty: two ways to solve that |
| 00:30.12 | jochum | Either ping scan/router DHCP list, or manual IP |
| 00:30.16 | jochum | not sure what it does now |
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| 00:32.47 | HelloShitty | ok, that's enough for now |
| 00:32.52 | HelloShitty | It was good while it lasted |
| 00:32.58 | HelloShitty | lol |
| 00:33.06 | HelloShitty | It just lost the wifi leds |
| 00:33.13 | HelloShitty | it's again as it was before |
| 00:33.16 | HelloShitty | nevermind |
| 00:33.26 | HelloShitty | I can come to this again tomorrow |
| 00:33.28 | HelloShitty | time to sleep |
| 00:34.08 | jochum | ok, same for me |
| 00:34.14 | jochum | good night |
| 00:34.14 | HelloShitty | jochum: and jhutchins thanks for your patience |
| 00:34.23 | HelloShitty | thank you |
| 00:34.25 | HelloShitty | good night |
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| 00:47.29 | hl521 | Hey where does iPXE and Syslinux store their files when you install them? I stepped away from making a tftpd server for about a week and forgot where they put their files at lol |
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| 00:49.07 | milkt | hl521: check $ dpkg -L <package> ? |
| 00:49.09 | n4dir | there is "whereis syslinux" or "dpkg -L | grep syslinux". I hope that kinda helps |
| 00:49.29 | n4dir | yup, i screwed the second one, milkt said it |
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| 00:52.59 | hl521 | n4dir: yeah that answered my question, interesting that it doesn't offer a menu.c32 in it |
| 00:53.36 | n4dir | there is also "apt-file", not good with it, probably/perhaps something like "apt-file search menu.c32". |
| 00:54.06 | n4dir | if you found that last week on the filesystem, you could use either find or locate to "find" it |
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| 00:57.37 | hl521 | ah there it is :D |
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| 01:06.27 | hl521 | dang the difficult part is finding where the pxelinux.cfg/default is, even with apt-file and whereis, super difficult to find the file being all of the files listed under apt-file are either non-existent or inaccessible with the root user |
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| 01:07.37 | sney | packages are supposed to put their example configs in /usr/share/doc/$packagename, typically in an 'examples' subdir |
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| 01:40.42 | dannylee | Debian is really great...so far every thing is working...xboard is a chess program that refuses to work with fedora...even 50% of the games just don't work with fedora..they freeze some times...IBM just wont invest any money into fedora...allot of there programmer are indian that work really cheep...IBM claim that hackers cost them 50 million a year...they just don't like Hackers...fedora just sucks... |
| 01:42.43 | dannylee | Debian just might really be G0D? |
| 01:43.33 | petn-randall | dannylee: No, it's just devoted people behind the project. |
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| 02:11.40 | Devastator | I've been using Debian since 96 and it still amazes me, buster running fine on a laptop from 2006 |
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| 02:34.27 | dvs | Devastator: All the upgrade went fine? |
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| 02:34.59 | Devastator | dvs actually I had to do a clean install, had to also disable suspend/hibernate, but works |
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| 02:35.26 | dvs | ok |
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| 02:35.59 | dvs | A laptop that old probably only works with APM, not ACPI |
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| 02:36.20 | Devastator | maybe |
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| 08:00.21 | oxek | What sort of technical issues are preventing changelogs from being available online for packages updated by the debian-security team? |
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| 08:00.29 | oxek | For example clicking on changelog on https://packages.debian.org/buster/openssl leads to 404 |
| 08:00.52 | oxek | The same 404 occurs when using `apt changelog openssl` |
| 08:01.18 | oxek | so the only way to find out is to actually download the package, and try installing it, or extract the changelog from it |
| 08:01.30 | oxek | which works, but is annoying, and I prefer to fix annoying things |
| 08:05.51 | milkt | oxek: https://packages.debian.org/buster/openssl is accessble with browser, and $ apt changelog openssl also fetching data for me |
| 08:06.02 | milkt | oxek: is it happening with other package as well? |
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| 08:07.58 | oxek | milkt: do you have up-to-date sources? |
| 08:08.27 | oxek | https://packages.debian.org/buster/openssl is accessible with browser, but clicking the changelog is not https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/o/openssl/openssl_1.1.1d-0+deb10u5_changelog |
| 08:09.12 | oxek | milkt: perhaps more importantly, are you sure you have the security repo in your sources? |
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| 08:27.13 | milkt | oxek: seem i also get 404 when opening changelog with browser, but i could see changelog with "apt changelog" |
| 08:28.13 | milkt | and this is my sources.list: https://termbin.com/1h9yx |
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| 08:29.05 | milkt | also tried after doing apt update with plain repository though |
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| 08:29.11 | oxek | this is my `apt changelog openssl` https://0x0.st/-8OF.txt |
| 08:29.40 | oxek | I wonder what's different between our systems. I have the same sources (non-tor ones) |
| 08:30.26 | milkt | maybe try with tor one once? also i could not open your link |
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| 08:31.12 | oxek | https://termbin.com/xx1us |
| 08:32.11 | oxek | I don't understand how your `apt changelog` can pull the correct changelog, when the URL for the changelog is the same as the one when you access it over browser |
| 08:32.20 | milkt | so it is fetching changelog from same address as browser one |
| 08:32.24 | oxek | yeah |
| 08:32.45 | milkt | maybe it is cached on my side when i accessed with tor repository |
| 08:33.27 | oxek | I'll try it over tor. Just need apt-transport-tor and change the sources to the ones listed on onion.debian.org right? |
| 08:34.36 | milkt | yeah only need "tor" "apt-transport-tor" then can use address provided in https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 08:37.26 | oxek | interesting, when my sources.list points to tor, but I don't have tor started, then `apt changelog openssl` just displays the changelog of the currently installed version |
| 08:37.36 | oxek | what's the first line of your `apt changelog openssl`? |
| 08:37.58 | oxek | for me, it is "openssl (1.1.1d-0+deb10u4) buster-security; urgency=medium" but that's the old version, not the one that's in repos |
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| 08:38.05 | oxek | in repos, it's deb10u5 |
| 08:39.02 | milkt | oxek: https://termbin.com/oq6n |
| 08:41.32 | oxek | that's interesting |
| 08:41.45 | oxek | (I'm currently doing `apt-get update`, and tor is slow) |
| 08:42.09 | milkt | oxek: is it happening with other package as well? or is it openssl only |
| 08:42.30 | oxek | it's happening with every package where the latest update is uploaded by security team |
| 08:42.59 | milkt | oh i see |
| 08:45.01 | oxek | ok, really weird - `apt changelog openssl` when my sources point to the debian onion repos are still giving 404 |
| 08:46.43 | oxek | so something is broken on my system, because it works on yours |
| 08:46.47 | oxek | wonderful... |
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| 08:47.21 | oxek | wait a minute |
| 08:48.31 | milkt | oxek: no maybe just it is inaccessible now, i am searching way to remove changelog stored on disk so i can test fetching it from repository |
| 08:48.41 | oxek | this is the output of `apt changelog openssl` after changing the sources to onion ones, and doing apt update: https://termbin.com/udeu |
| 08:48.55 | oxek | where is it getting those non-onion URLs? |
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| 08:49.54 | milkt | hmm |
| 08:52.30 | oxek | I suspect that if the package version is the same locally and in repos, then `apt changelog` displays the local changelog instead of trying to access the online one. |
| 08:53.00 | oxek | since I don't have the latest openssl locally, but sources say that a newer one is available in repos, then `apt changelog` tries to load the online one, but 404s |
| 08:53.02 | milkt | yeah it say "Get:1 store: openssl ..." |
| 08:54.36 | oxek | you can try some other packages, like 'dnsutils' or 'zstd' or 'bind9-host' |
| 08:54.45 | oxek | all of them give 404 |
| 08:55.49 | milkt | yeah it does |
| 08:56.27 | milkt | guess it went down recently |
| 08:56.42 | oxek | so I suspect that the security team does not upload changelogs to those online locations |
| 08:57.02 | oxek | because I can get changelogs for any other package that has been updated by maintainers as opposed to security team |
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| 08:58.14 | milkt | also weird that your apt trying to access to plain repository when using tor sources.list |
| 08:59.28 | oxek | that's strange as well, and might be an issue worth solving |
| 09:00.13 | oxek | does your apt also try to access non-tor repos when you do `apt changelog zstd`? |
| 09:01.26 | milkt | it does |
| 09:03.50 | oxek | I don't know if that's an issue for people who use tor. I guess it depends on whether people use tor repos to get around censorship or network blocking, or to hide that they are using debian (or linux at all). |
| 09:05.08 | milkt | maybe changelog is using plain debian.org regardless of sources.list |
| 09:06.04 | oxek | it looks that way |
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| 09:07.12 | milkt | think it was available 6 day ago though |
| 09:07.27 | milkt | maybe possibly related to SSL certificate expiration of cdimage.debian.org |
| 09:08.28 | milkt | which someone mentioned today or yesterday |
| 09:08.30 | milkt | going to check log |
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| 09:08.54 | oxek | if that was the case, it wouldn't 404 |
| 09:09.09 | oxek | 404 implies it still connects to the server, but doesn't find the resource you're asking for |
| 09:09.22 | oxek | TLS error would not give a HTTP response number |
| 09:10.17 | milkt | maybe have to contact security team |
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| 09:15.30 | themill | the changelogs for security updates aren't available via apt changelog until after installed (but you can get them from apt-listchanges or from the .deb itself) |
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| 09:16.21 | oxek | themill: that was my workaround, downloading the .deb and extracting, or relying on apt-listchanges during installation |
| 09:16.28 | oxek | both are less convenient that `apt changelog` though |
| 09:16.51 | oxek | s/that/than |
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| 09:18.21 | oxek | I started by asking whether there's some technical issue that could be solved that's preventing security updates from having the changelogs uploaded to the usual online location |
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| 09:29.22 | themill | security.d.o runs a different instance of dak to cope with embargoed updates |
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| 10:41.01 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
| 10:41.26 | ychaouche | is there a way to get a list of all the packages there were installed after default base install ? |
| 10:41.44 | ychaouche | all the packages the user chose to install after he installed debian |
| 10:41.49 | ratrace | ychaouche: maybe by parsing /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 10:42.00 | ychaouche | ratrace, that only has 1 year history |
| 10:44.07 | ratrace | welp, there's automatic vs nonautomatic in dpkg-query, but I think some packages from initial installation are marked as non automatic, I'm not sure |
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| 10:46.05 | ratrace | apt-mark showmanual, but I see stuff there I definitely did not manually install, so they must've come from initial installation so I guess that's off too |
| 10:46.16 | ychaouche | there's a single result for automatic in dpkg-query manual and it's not that :( |
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| 10:47.14 | oxek | ychaouche: there's no simple way. You could try creating a fresh installation, exporting all the package names into a list, and diff it with your main system |
| 10:47.45 | ychaouche | that's a shame |
| 10:48.03 | ychaouche | nevermind |
| 10:48.18 | oxek | you can also separate it by automatically installed (as a dependency) and manually installed - but all of these will include packages from the initial installation |
| 10:51.47 | ksk | ,version php7.4 |
| 10:51.50 | judd | Package: php7.4 on amd64 -- bullseye: 7.4.15-1; sid: 7.4.15-5+deb11u1 |
| 10:54.07 | ratrace | ychaouche: I'm curious, why do you want such a list? |
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| 10:56.19 | ychaouche | ratrace, move my stuff from server to server |
| 10:56.29 | ychaouche | emacs, strace, tcpdump, hexedit etc. |
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| 10:57.50 | koollman | ychaouche: list the packages from a default base install,then list your packages, and you can now find out which ones you added ? |
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| 10:58.03 | ratrace | ychaouche: same distro and version? |
| 10:58.13 | ychaouche | same distro not necessarily same version |
| 10:59.04 | ratrace | ychaouche: so I guess the list of non-automatic packages should in most of cases suffice? you can filter out stuff you know you didn't install |
| 10:59.08 | jelly | !aptitude clone |
| 10:59.08 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 10:59.45 | jelly | sadly ALL the stuff from base install, installed with debootstrap during d-i, is marked manual |
| 10:59.49 | ychaouche | jelly, that works when same version, otherwise its a pitn |
| 11:00.23 | jelly | yep, I just did a couple servers that way and manually cleaned up obvious base stuff |
| 11:00.23 | koollman | jelly: which doesn't matter much. just use debootstrap to generate a list of things to not add to the final list :) |
| 11:00.36 | ratrace | oh hey, debootstrap is a good idea |
| 11:00.56 | jelly | good luck figuring out exactly how d-i does debootstrap |
| 11:01.11 | ychaouche | jelly, not only that. Sometimes version numbers are added to the package name, so if that version disappeared since then you have to reinstall |
| 11:01.12 | ratrace | install one, get-selections :) |
| 11:01.12 | jelly | ychaouche, but honestly that was 2-3 minutes work |
| 11:01.16 | koollman | install debian in a vm, make a list, keep it as a reference of 'default system after install' |
| 11:01.32 | koollman | then, for any system, you can get a list of 'whatever was installed but not in default system' |
| 11:01.44 | ychaouche | example : https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/bd2026fe82a90b1bdbd0b79f2250ffc9 |
| 11:01.47 | ratrace | ychaouche: there's one lesson to be learned here. Use the opportunity to build your installation setup with automation. ansible, something else. hell even a simple shellscript should work. |
| 11:01.50 | jelly | ychaouche, and we don't really do things this way any more, but set up package sets via ansible playbooks |
| 11:02.11 | jelly | two idiots one thought |
| 11:02.16 | ratrace | :) |
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| 11:02.42 | ychaouche | I want to be chef |
| 11:02.58 | ratrace | you'll be wearin' a lot of Rubys |
| 11:03.05 | jelly | it shouldn't be TOO hard to filter out most of the base install stuff automatically |
| 11:03.13 | ratrace | bling and cookin ain't goin together. that's why Chef (the software) sucks. |
| 11:03.43 | jelly | !standard |
| 11:03.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 11:03.59 | jelly | ychaouche, perhaps filter out those, and build on that |
| 11:04.38 | jelly | ratrace, but he's always polite with the kids |
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| 11:05.54 | ratrace | south park ftw |
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| 11:21.59 | borrougagnou16 | Hello ! I looking for a good firewall, I'm exhausted about iptable, so, yeah, I looking for something other |
| 11:21.59 | borrougagnou16 |  (and I hope my netwwork connexion don't bug again...) |
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| 11:25.10 | borrougagnou16 | too much year with iptable... |
| 11:26.03 | aminvakil | borrougagnou16: what's the problem with iptables? |
| 11:26.18 | ratrace | borrougagnou16: you can use a higher level iptables wrapper like ufw or shorewall. firewalld is a thing too. they might have nft backends, or you can try nft directly. iptable works with nft backend anyway, unless you installed legacy |
| 11:27.04 | ratrace | also, I don't know in which state is ebpf packet filtering, but that's (going to be) another firewall option, but requires very latest kernels |
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| 11:30.13 | borrougagnou | @aminvakil @ratrace I'm exhausted, my connexion is slow because port scanner + bruteforce root... so I have fail2ban (configured for 1y block + 5 tentatives max), and I installed now psod (rhaaa it's like a big conflict, and awful mix...) + I don't say about "no iptable save" and iptable persistant isn't usefull...) so yeah... really exhausted.... |
| 11:31.15 | ratrace | borrougagnou: I'm pretty sure port scanning and "bruteforce root" are not significantly impacting your network unless you're on ancient modem technologies with speeds measured in two digit kbps |
| 11:31.40 | ratrace | besides, even if they were, hypothetically? changing firewall would couldn't change that |
| 11:31.49 | aminvakil | this issues are not relevant to either iptables or nftables or different methods of packet filtering |
| 11:32.45 | ratrace | unless you're talking about excessive error logging by ... either the syslog logging port scanning attempts (which isn't automatic, you'd have to set that up), or ssh/auth logging. In which case both can be disabled or throttled |
| 11:32.56 | borrougagnou | @ratrace I thought about this possibility, and okay, I'll check about nft |
| 11:33.13 | ratrace | what possibility? that there's no impact on the network? yes. |
| 11:33.32 | borrougagnou | I don't know how many IP per day scanning my network or try network... |
| 11:34.05 | ratrace | oh another thing, fail2ban will not be very useful there, as those are vastly distributed attempts in majority of cases |
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| 11:34.24 | aminvakil | a lot! lots of legitimate an illegitimate services are scanning internet every second, that's not just your issue |
| 11:34.54 | aminvakil | use a simple iptables rules like this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Simple_stateful_firewall#Resulting_iptables.rules_file |
| 11:35.02 | ratrace | borrougagnou: you can get a rough estimate with an iptables rule like this one: |
| 11:35.05 | aminvakil | add your specified ports which you need |
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| 11:35.31 | ratrace | -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 139 -m recent --name portscan --set -j LOG --log-prefix "NETFILTER portscan: " .. this is just an example, don't copy it verbating. the idea here is that portscanners love to check port 139 for vulns |
| 11:36.06 | ratrace | or you can drop the port and put that at the end of your approval list, so it logs any attempt to any unopened port but that's going to be a LOT of log traffic unless you also instantly ban them |
| 11:37.08 | ratrace | in the example rule above, the "recent" module is used to track and ban subsequent attempts by that IP for a certain time ... or you can shove them into a time-limited ipset (which is better for handling large numbers of IPs) |
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| 11:41.12 | borrougagnou | if it was only port 139 I could say "yes, I block this port !" but... it's not like that... it's like a random search on all port... |
| 11:41.24 | borrougagnou | with multiple IP |
| 11:42.30 | epsilon | borrougagnou: disabling root-login and using ssh-keypair auth will keep your ssh safe. beside that, you can change the ssh port (so not 22, but <1024 advised), use iptables to limit the source-IP (open ssh only to networks where the admins are), use port-knocking |
| 11:42.51 | aminvakil | borrougagnou: read what ratrace has said again: the idea here is that portscanners love to check port 139 for vulns |
| 11:43.17 | aminvakil | anyone who tried to connect to your port 139 most probably is a port scanner |
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| 11:45.00 | epsilon | and do the same with port 22 |
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| 11:46.18 | megaTherion | Looking for driver assistence regarding a webcam issue 'back screen' on a Thinkpad L10 gen1 laptop. Im on Deb testing and 5.10.x kernel. |
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| 11:52.13 | borrougagnou | @aminvakil yes 139 and after IP is blocked, he use another IP to continu check other port... same thing he do with the bruteforce... 5 tentatives with 1 IP and change IP... again and again... |
| 11:53.25 | borrougagnou | also yes I can change the ssh port but, unsufficient, and I can't use ssh-keypair, because connection with lot of different device |
| 11:53.51 | aminvakil | i used to drop port scanners using iptables and ipset, basically anyone who had more than 3 dropped packets in 10 minutes was a port scanner, there were added to an ipset and blocked for a week |
| 11:54.21 | borrougagnou | for a week only ??? |
| 11:54.58 | aminvakil | i'm not sure, but yeah that was enough |
| 11:55.52 | aminvakil | can you only allow access to your critical ports from a specific ip address? |
| 11:55.56 | borrougagnou | never I do that, 1w is nothing for an IP, you see the same IP appear again an again each week |
| 11:56.03 | aminvakil | i don't care |
| 11:56.37 | aminvakil | when i only have port 80 and 443 open who cares someone is scanning my ip, let them do it |
| 11:57.13 | jochum | megaTherion: can you give more info "lspci" |
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| 11:58.07 | megaTherion | jochum: https://pastebin.com/tqd60dj3 |
| 11:58.23 | milkt | borrougagnou: you can also use "fail2ban" or "knockd" or such |
| 11:58.51 | jochum | megaTherion: I was wrong "lsusb" please :) |
| 11:59.20 | megaTherion | jochum: https://pastebin.com/xHk5TCWu |
| 11:59.20 | borrougagnou | ha yes, you don't have specific services, so why "ban IP for 1w" if you dont care because you have only 80/443 ? :think: |
| 11:59.37 | epsilon | borrougagnou: time period depends, if someone is using a botnet with bots behind dynamic IP, banning an IP for months is pointless |
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| 11:59.44 | megaTherion | jochum: the type number says "20U3-CTO1WW" |
| 11:59.49 | ychaouche | borrougagnou, been using shorewall for a while, had run in a bug, but support on the mailing list helped me overcome it (actually work around it), but my requirements and setup is a little different. |
| 11:59.56 | jochum | megaTherion: gonna google |
| 12:00.06 | ratrace | borrougagnou: the idea behind port 139 is that the port scanners, among 65k ports, in vast majority of cases, test port 139. So logging ONLY port 139 is an INDICATION on how many attempts you have, per day |
| 12:00.15 | megaTherion | basically the webcam is detected, but I fail to get anything else than a black screen - the on LED is also not lighting up |
| 12:00.19 | aminvakil | epsilon++ |
| 12:00.22 | epsilon | borrougagnou: the attacker may also search for webservice vulnerability, so blocking is a good idea |
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| 12:00.51 | ratrace | borrougagnou: alternatively if you don't care about logging, use an ipset and shove and remote IP that attempts a closed port. set the ipset with time limit of, say, 1 hour (your 1 year idea is pure nonsense, esp. since with ipv4 exhaustion, the ranges and owners change daily) |
| 12:01.08 | ratrace | shove *any remote |
| 12:01.28 | ratrace | note however that this is a bit dangerous to you, because if you try any such port yourself, you're banned from your own server |
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| 12:01.43 | ratrace | that's why using a specific port, one that is LIKELY to be port scanned (like 139), is a much better idea |
| 12:01.53 | jochum | megaTherion: may i ask you have dual boot? |
| 12:01.58 | megaTherion | I dont. |
| 12:02.22 | jochum | megaTherion: there are 3 different chips |
| 12:02.25 | borrougagnou | I see |
| 12:02.34 | jochum | megaTherion: i realy need lsusb the camera part |
| 12:02.41 | jochum | https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles/r17cm18w.txt |
| 12:03.35 | jochum | megaTherion: and you don't have a camera off button somewhere, right? |
| 12:04.31 | megaTherion | jochum: yes no off button, detailed paste: https://pastebin.com/4VnE51nt |
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| 12:09.03 | jochum | megaTherion: my try FN+F8 while in video mode? |
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| 12:10.20 | megaTherion | FN+F8 is "enable flight mode" |
| 12:10.27 | megaTherion | brings the whole device offline XD |
| 12:10.38 | jochum | ohh |
| 12:10.42 | jochum | shit :) |
| 12:10.52 | jochum | https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/nl/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-l-series-laptops/thinkpad-l15-type-20u3-20u4/solutions/ht510456-useful-tips-when-camera-doesnt-work-properly-ideapad |
| 12:11.16 | jochum | Thats how i came to F8 |
| 12:11.17 | megaTherion | nah no problem |
| 12:11.30 | megaTherion | I can give you a photo if you want, the FN keys are strange |
| 12:11.45 | jochum | I have my Laptop at my work place... |
| 12:11.51 | jochum | I have an older W540 |
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| 12:12.51 | megaTherion | jochum: https://imgur.com/a/XVg1haD |
| 12:13.07 | megaTherion | this is how it looks many are self explaining, but not F9,F10,F11 - they also dont seem to do anything |
| 12:13.12 | megaTherion | but all other basically work |
| 12:13.34 | megaTherion | but they dont also seem to disconnect the webcam from the bus, my bet is that the driver isnt up to the task |
| 12:13.54 | ychaouche | borrougagnou, for comparison, this is what my drop "log" looks like on my mx server : https://clbin.com/hz1ul |
| 12:14.00 | jochum | maybe someone else looks at it |
| 12:14.09 | jochum | but i believe F9 looks interesting |
| 12:14.24 | jochum | "dont seem to do anything" argh |
| 12:14.38 | ychaouche | mostly ICMP, ports 143, 22 and 8080. |
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| 12:17.30 | jochum | megaTherion: i would try to remove the driver "modprobe -r uvcvideo" and "modprobe uvcvideo" |
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| 12:17.38 | jochum | megaTherion: then have a look at the syslog |
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| 12:20.10 | borrougagnou88 | @ychaouche I see, yeah, similar to me just not only ICMP/22, multiple different port in this list, also I can't give you any log because I decided to format and recreate my debian because I was exhausted with all of this config... |
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| 12:22.45 | ratrace | talk about "hit and run" ircing |
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| 12:23.48 | megaTherion | jochum: https://pastebin.com/vJPxYcVB |
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| 12:24.27 | jochum | megaTherion: after that camera still doesn't work, right? |
| 12:24.56 | jochum | do you try with cheese ? |
| 12:25.27 | megaTherion | doesnt work, no I try with Guvcview but it doesnt matter which application access the device |
| 12:25.33 | megaTherion | I've tried all of them including skype :D |
| 12:25.38 | jochum | i see |
| 12:26.06 | megaTherion | basically there are 3 devices, video0, video2, media0 - all of the come with an acompaning device like {video0,1} {video2,3} {media0,1} I have no clue |
| 12:26.13 | jochum | megaTherion: there's a live Windows, you might wanna try that? |
| 12:26.25 | megaTherion | no clue about windows, I'd rather not - its not an option to me |
| 12:26.29 | jochum | sorry that i say that here... |
| 12:26.30 | megaTherion | maybe I'll try 5.11 kernel |
| 12:26.47 | megaTherion | VM might be an option though |
| 12:26.50 | siwenter | v4l2 should show all camera devices |
| 12:26.52 | jochum | megaTherion: did it work <5.10 ? |
| 12:27.10 | megaTherion | I dont know about <5.10 this is a new device I just got from work |
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| 12:27.47 | borrougagnou | and also, because I cleared my iptable without save (so ~100 000 IPs unblacklisted ...) because I forgot to save Iptables... so yeah... I prefect back in the "correct and clean" configuration |
| 12:28.09 | jochum | megaTherion: ok, what about trying Linux Mint 19.x with ventoy on USB? |
| 12:28.20 | jochum | ventoy is no need i just love it :) |
| 12:28.30 | megaTherion | dont know what ventoy is... ;) |
| 12:28.45 | jochum | ventoy is GRUB for USB means it boots .iso files |
| 12:28.50 | megaTherion | ya could try... but if its a kernel issue then I can just use the kernel which fits, the driver is in the kernel so... *shrugs* |
| 12:28.50 | megaTherion | ah ok |
| 12:28.51 | jochum | I love it |
| 12:29.27 | jochum | Please go and boot any older live linux |
| 12:29.32 | jochum | And test that |
| 12:29.38 | ratrace | borrougagnou: use ipsets if you want to ban 10k ip addresses |
| 12:29.46 | jochum | I hear people have troubles with camer on >5.10 |
| 12:29.47 | ratrace | OH FFS |
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| 12:34.35 | jochum | megaTherion: https://linux-hardware.org/index.php?id=usb:5986-9106 someone reported this camera to be working on Arch Rolling |
| 12:34.54 | megaTherion | interesting, thanks for your time :) |
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| 12:35.10 | megaTherion | Im really not well versed with those webcams, but I need that for home office |
| 12:35.47 | jochum | megaTherion: please go and try the xanmod kernel first (its the latest kernel i know of working in testing) |
| 12:36.13 | megaTherion | what's xanmod? |
| 12:36.14 | jochum | as someone reported it works on Arch on Nov. it should work with Linux >5.10 |
| 12:36.16 | megaTherion | is it in the branch? |
| 12:36.30 | jochum | an alternative kernel https://xanmod.org/ its aehm .. stable here |
| 12:36.44 | Gramcor | is this correct? meta l4proto first and then meta nfproto? or order doesn't matter? i cant find anything in docs |
| 12:36.47 | jochum | I can't say its stable for everyone but for me it is |
| 12:36.50 | Gramcor | meta l4proto tcp meta nfproto ipv4 ip saddr 131.131.131.31 reject |
| 12:36.58 | Gramcor | for nftables |
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| 12:38.56 | ratrace | borrougagnou: you joining the channel, posting and immediately leaving is not an acceptable way to communicate, please don't do that. it's annoying and wastes our unpaid, volunteer support time talking to someone who's not there. if you have connection issues, FIX that first. use an irc bouncer or something like irssi in tmux on a server somewhere. |
| 12:39.23 | ratrace | 13:29 < ratrace> borrougagnou: use ipsets if you want to ban 10k ip addresses |
| 12:39.46 | borrougagnou | unfortunately I don't leave... the network where I am is awful... |
| 12:40.02 | ratrace | borrougagnou: so fix that first. use a bouncer. |
| 12:40.18 | ratrace | set up irssi in tmux on a server, if you don't want to use a bouncer |
| 12:40.43 | ratrace | you cannot continue to post and disappear over and over. that's not a way to do support or communicate on irc. |
| 12:40.59 | borrougagnou | I know yes :/ |
| 12:41.21 | borrougagnou | I'll try a day to reinstall znc in one of my server, but I think I'll do that with tmux yes |
| 12:41.48 | ratrace | please do. |
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| 12:46.42 | oxek | is ZNC still the most recommended bouncer? |
| 12:46.59 | jochum | uses Quassel with QuasselCore |
| 12:47.07 | megaTherion | uses znc |
| 12:47.25 | wyre | why manpage for dash says that dash is 'the standard command interpreter for the system'? |
| 12:47.41 | wyre | is not bash the standard interpreter? |
| 12:47.57 | oxek | wyre: because bash is slow and has its own special behavior sometimes |
| 12:48.08 | oxek | I mean slow in comparison to dash |
| 12:48.11 | ratrace | wyre: no. /bin/sh is, and /bin/sh on Debian is Dash |
| 12:48.44 | wyre | ratrace, but by default the user is created with bash as shell, ain't it? |
| 12:48.55 | ychaouche | is there an official default sources.lst ? |
| 12:48.59 | n4dir | wyre: the system and the users shell are two different things |
| 12:49.00 | ratrace | wyre: that's something else |
| 12:49.01 | ychaouche | online |
| 12:49.30 | ychaouche | installed via DVD and need to get software from official debian repos |
| 12:49.31 | ratrace | wyre: bash is default _login_ shell for users. but /bin/sh is POSIX defined/expected path for a shellscript interpreter |
| 12:49.51 | Mister00X | !sources |
| 12:49.51 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 12:49.55 | ratrace | wyre: you can use bash as your shell and still invoke programs and scripts using other interpreters and languages and execution methods |
| 12:50.09 | Mister00X | ychaouche: have a look at what dpkg said |
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| 12:50.44 | ychaouche | thanks Mister00X, should I call you Mistah ? |
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| 12:50.55 | ychaouche | if that's not too offensive |
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| 12:51.20 | Mister00X | ychaouche: well Mister00X gets highlighted on my client so I would prefer that |
| 12:51.31 | ratrace | ychaouche: just use tab completion, don't invent nicknames for users |
| 12:51.50 | ychaouche | reference missed |
| 12:51.56 | ratrace | whoosh |
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| 12:53.20 | Mister00X | ychaouche: wait.... OH now got it..... a clear sign of not enough coffee |
| 12:53.54 | ychaouche | and rainbow |
| 12:54.11 | Mister00X | ychaouche: also If you installed from DVD you allready should have the right entries in your sources.list |
| 12:54.24 | ychaouche | no I'm missing one |
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| 12:54.30 | Mister00X | ychaouche: which one? |
| 12:54.50 | ychaouche | I have to figure it out yet, I only have debian-security |
| 12:55.23 | ychaouche | I guess just /debian, but that gave me errors on apt-get update so I need to copy/paste from official debian documentation |
| 12:55.27 | ychaouche | or dpkg message :) |
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| 12:56.22 | ychaouche | mine looks like this after editing : https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/a0b6715415e599fcf0d0b6939abdcfa0 |
| 12:57.40 | Mister00X | ychaouche: that doesnt seem right also Im not sure you really want the sources of the security-repo instead of the binarys |
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| 12:58.07 | ychaouche | I really don't know that was there by default |
| 12:59.25 | Mister00X | ychaouche: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list you may be faster copy pasting from there |
| 13:01.33 | Mister00X | ychaouche: of course you can comment out the deb-src part if you don't need/want the sources |
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| 13:01.42 | epsilon | oxek: znc is fine here. Just the config syntax changed from stretch to buster, had to rebuild it |
| 13:02.32 | oxek | epsilon: I'm checking out ZNC right now. I really ought to learn this stuff. |
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| 13:04.33 | ychaouche | wow. Emacs package is really a power plant. Nearly 200Mb of disk to get all its dependencies. |
| 13:04.39 | ychaouche | without X support |
| 13:04.50 | oxek | ychaouche: this is my sources.list https://0x0.st/-iX1.txt |
| 13:07.12 | n4dir | i can't remember i ever needed the deb-src lines for stable |
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| 13:07.47 | oxek | doesn't hurt having them when recommending a sources.list for new users |
| 13:08.27 | n4dir | point was that they probably won't need them either. |
| 13:08.34 | Mister00X | Yes but also saying that one can comment them out |
| 13:08.54 | Mister00X | cause it will make apt update a bit faster |
| 13:09.49 | epsilon | deb-src isn't enabled by default |
| 13:09.59 | n4dir | it isn't ? |
| 13:10.14 | oxek | it asks during install whether to enable it |
| 13:10.30 | n4dir | don't make me install it quickly |
| 13:10.35 | Mister00X | oxek: I think only in expert install mode |
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| 13:11.41 | ychaouche | Is there a repository with debug symbols ? |
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| 13:13.27 | Mister00X | !dbgsym |
| 13:13.27 | dpkg | Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-debug/ buster-debug main" to your sources.list. See also https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace |
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| 13:13.48 | Mister00X | ychaouche: ^^ |
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| 13:14.28 | oxek | ychaouche: with proposed-updates, and dbg symbols https://0x0.st/-8WG.txt |
| 13:15.15 | ychaouche | nice, thanks |
| 13:15.38 | oxek | maybe one day we'll get rid of all -dbg packages and only -dbgsym remain |
| 13:15.50 | ychaouche | what's the difference |
| 13:16.17 | oxek | no difference really, it just makes it neater |
| 13:16.53 | ychaouche | oh, two suffixes were used for the same purpose it seems |
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| 13:20.19 | ychaouche | sees this GnuTLS error for the first time https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/8a185135541c4aa3d7288eabb66c4eba |
| 13:20.48 | ychaouche | downloads fine on its linux mint |
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| 13:21.35 | oxek | works fine here |
| 13:21.48 | borrougagnou | ok, now I'm in irssi |
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| 13:22.51 | borrougagnou | not in the same server (this one has only 52K IP blocked) but it's sufficient (I think) |
| 13:23.46 | ychaouche | oxek, debian 10 ? |
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| 13:23.56 | oxek | ychaouche: yes |
| 13:24.21 | oxek | there's an improtant update to ca-certificates in buster-updates repo, so make sure you've upgraded |
| 13:24.39 | ychaouche | I did minutes ago |
| 13:24.48 | ychaouche | on second attempt I get : failed: Network is unreachable. |
| 13:25.07 | ychaouche | how is network unreachable I just installed emacs-nox and nginx from the debian repos |
| 13:25.18 | ychaouche | https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/8a185135541c4aa3d7288eabb66c4eba |
| 13:25.31 | ychaouche | maybe it tries to use ipv6 and I don't have that in my network ? |
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| 13:26.31 | ychaouche | I remember I had to disable ipv6 on one of my servers |
| 13:27.21 | ychaouche | /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 13:31.12 | ychaouche | are changes to sysctl.conf immediate or do I have to reboot ? |
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| 13:31.41 | ychaouche | oh, it's downloading now |
| 13:31.42 | strk | docker.io installation fails: Job for docker.service failed because the control process exited with error code. |
| 13:31.46 | metbsd | does the kernel in backports support exfat without using fuse-exfat |
| 13:32.19 | strk | logs don't contain any useful info, that I can find, other than -- The unit docker.service has entered the 'failed' state with result 'exit-code'. |
| 13:32.40 | strk | or maybe: docker.socket: Failed with result 'service-start-limit-hit'. |
| 13:32.50 | oxek | metbsd: 5.10 has the kernel exfat support. Unfortunately exfatprogs have not been backported. |
| 13:33.07 | strk | this is on Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) |
| 13:33.18 | metbsd | so the 5.10 exfat performance should be better than 4.x+fuse? |
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| 13:37.09 | strk | oh, it's mu modprobe issue |
| 13:37.56 | strk | ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod.c:586 kmod_search_moddep() could not open moddep file |
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| 13:44.51 | fourstepper | on debian testing, for some reason, I am having a hard time running chromium on wayland. I am trying this with: `chromium --enable-features=UseOzonePlatform --ozone-platform=wayland`, but with xprop I can still notice that I am using the XWayland backend - is the ozone platform not yet implemented in debian builds of chromium? The version is 88.0.4324.146 |
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| 13:50.47 | omarek | Hi I just bought another network card and it DOES NOT WORK! Previously, internet went down once I switched motherboard to Asrock B550M Pro4 (RTL8111h). Debian buster. |
| 13:51.30 | omarek | New NIC is: chipset Intel 82574, product code EXPI9301CTBLK |
| 13:51.52 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 13:51.52 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 13:52.00 | petn-randall | fourstepper: You might want to check this channel. ^^^ |
| 13:52.45 | omarek | I know little about debugging network cards. |
| 13:53.14 | fourstepper | right, thanks :) I think it is also related to debian stable, as they use the same version of chromium |
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| 13:53.43 | omarek | The new card is correctly recognized and the cable is connected to the right slot. |
| 13:54.08 | petn-randall | fourstepper: Maybe, maybe not. stable has a lot of older libraries where this bug might not happen at all. |
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| 13:55.04 | petn-randall | omarek: What part "doesn't work"? Does it show up in `lspci` and `ifconfig`? |
| 13:56.43 | epsilon | omarek: also check dmesg, if you have color in terminal enabled, the lines with issues / missing drivers should be in red |
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| 14:00.16 | omarek | petn-randall: plain ifconfig without args? |
| 14:00.29 | epsilon | ifconfig -a |
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| 14:02.35 | omarek | petn-randall: lspci |
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| 14:05.28 | omarek | petn-randall: lspci | grep Ethernet shows 2 lines: Intel Corporation 82574L, Realtek Semiconductor RTL8111/8168/8411 |
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| 14:05.55 | epsilon | RTL is not supported, even not with non-free blob? |
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| 14:06.29 | epsilon | 82574 is pretty old chip, it should run without doing anything |
| 14:07.26 | omarek | epsilon: lspci -a shows "enp4so", "enp6s0" and lo |
| 14:07.31 | wyre | how can I get the upstream link from any package sources? |
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| 14:08.10 | epsilon | omarek: well that're 2 NIC |
| 14:09.23 | epsilon | do you use network-manager? The NIC should be visible somewhere there |
| 14:10.10 | epsilon | otherwise plug a cable and "ifconfig enp4so up", link should come up |
| 14:12.15 | ychaouche | or ip link set enp4so up |
| 14:12.35 | ychaouche | or ifup enp4so if that's still supported |
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| 14:14.39 | wyre | I mean ... I'd like to know the link for the upstream for this source package https://packages.debian.org/source/buster/netkit-tftp |
| 14:15.00 | wyre | how can I see where is the code cloned from? |
| 14:15.07 | wyre | source code I mean |
| 14:16.42 | omarek | epsilon: Earlier when I typed 'sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager', it responded 'Unit NetworkManager.service is masked.' |
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| 14:18.08 | petn-randall | omarek: Is this on plain Debian or some other OS? |
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| 14:22.51 | omarek | petn-randall: It's plain debian. Why Are you asking? |
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| 14:23.23 | omarek | epsilon: http://paste.debian.net/1186422/ This is my dmesg, I see some errors but nothing obviously related to network. Both network cards seem detected. |
| 14:23.32 | petn-randall | omarek: Just that I've never seen NetworkManager being masked before. |
| 14:23.37 | omarek | I just tried a different cable and it made no difference (including restart) |
| 14:23.39 | petn-randall | omarek: Did you mask it by hand? |
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| 14:23.58 | omarek | petn-randall: Definitely not. |
| 14:24.14 | omarek | petn-randall: I did switch a motherboard. |
| 14:24.51 | omarek | Also, I fooled around with the package r8168-dkms, installed, uninstalled --purge. That's about it. |
| 14:24.57 | petn-randall | omarek: How are you configuring your network interfaces? |
| 14:25.13 | omarek | petn-randall: Until now, it took care of itself automagically. |
| 14:25.16 | deviantfero | I'm trying to cross compile an opencv program that I wrote, but when trying to install libopencv-dev:armel it fails because it needs opencv-data:armel, there is no such package, there is only opencv-data:all, what should I do? I'm using debian stretch |
| 14:26.10 | omarek | petn-randall: I think it's just DHCP, no manual configuration. |
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| 14:27.42 | metbsd | is there a tool to check disk read/write performance |
| 14:28.08 | epsilon | omarek: lines 666, 876 look fine for me, any red lines? |
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| 14:30.22 | epsilon | omarek: if no red lines about NIC and you see both NIC on ifconfig -a, then it's not driver issue. From there it's up to network-manager or manual configuration. If the network config is static on the mashine, consider uninstalling network-manager cause you don't actually need it |
| 14:30.29 | jelly | metbsd, there are many. fio, bonnie++, iometer (not in debian, last release 2014?) |
| 14:34.11 | epsilon | also iostat |
| 14:37.01 | omarek | epsilon: red lines are 235, 625 (Can not set name properly!), 627, 819, 820, 864. |
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| 14:39.32 | omarek | epsilon: petn-randall I just found out 'network-manager' is 'rc' as shown by dpkg -l. |
| 14:39.36 | omarek | Should I purge it? |
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| 14:40.24 | petn-randall | omarek: If you're not using network-manager, there's nothing that will configure the network for you. So I'm guessing that's your problem. |
| 14:40.25 | strk | how does GRUB decide which kernel to load, from the config ? |
| 14:40.38 | petn-randall | omarek: There's only ifupdown left, which has to be manually configured. |
| 14:41.09 | omarek | petn-randall: I guess internet was working because of some ancient manual configuration. |
| 14:41.34 | nkuttler | strk: yeah |
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| 14:41.53 | omarek | Can you point me at some basic internet configuration guide? |
| 14:42.06 | jelly | !interfaces |
| 14:42.06 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 14:42.56 | jelly | metbsd, there are many. fio, bonnie++, iometer (not in debian, last release 2014?) |
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| 14:43.24 | omarek | Oh-h-h. |
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| 14:44.16 | omarek | I had forgotten about that file. It contains only 3 uncommented lines, but the only interface mentioned is enp3s0, and my machine currently has enp4s0 and enp6s0 |
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| 14:45.17 | jelly | maybe it did have enp3s0 and then something in pci bus enumeration changed |
| 14:46.03 | jelly | and you got bit by the unpredictability of the Predictable Network Interface Names |
| 14:46.41 | jelly | right now I'm investigating how to go back to "this MAC is called eth0, this other MAC is eth1" |
| 14:47.10 | epsilon | bad word detected "Predictable Network Interface Names" |
| 14:47.40 | bopeep | runs around with arms in the air |
| 14:48.27 | epsilon | i trust only using udev and 76-netnames(is that current?) to assign fix ethX |
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| 14:48.51 | jelly | that does not work any more, and there's no infra to update the file automagically |
| 14:48.53 | jelly | !70 |
| 14:48.53 | dpkg | This is outdated, for Stretch see https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ oldfactoid: udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: «udevadm trigger» or reload the relevant driver module. See also <udev>. |
| 14:49.22 | jelly | ^ not in buster |
| 14:49.29 | epsilon | jeez, changed again? |
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| 14:49.45 | bopeep | gotta keep it fresh. |
| 14:51.48 | ychaouche | is there a php-openssl module shipped for debian 10 ? |
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| 14:55.30 | jelly | ychaouche, yes. |
| 14:55.44 | jelly | ychaouche, it's built in. |
| 14:55.49 | ychaouche | oh |
| 14:56.20 | jelly | read the long description for a php interpreter package like php7.3-fpm |
| 14:56.40 | jelly | > The following extensions are built in: Core date filter hash libxml openssl pcre Reflection session sodium SPL standard zlib. |
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| 14:57.37 | ychaouche | perfect |
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| 14:58.06 | ychaouche | also I did a php -r "phpinfo();" on the command line but that pulls up the cli SAPI I guess ? |
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| 14:58.24 | ychaouche | I don't know if there's way to simulate the php-fpm API from the command line |
| 14:58.33 | jelly | yes, but the list of built in modules is probably similar |
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| 14:58.52 | ychaouche | ok |
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| 15:00.41 | omarek | petn-randall: epsilon: Internet is now WORKING on my other machine. All I had to do is to edit /etc/network/interfaces and update all instances of enp3s0 to enp4s0. I'll be testing the the built-in Realtek NIC for a few days, but most likely I'll send the Intel NIC back. |
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| 15:02.28 | omarek | I've made a fool of myself and it has costed me a couple of days worth of internet access. |
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| 15:06.30 | deviantfero | ok, let me rephrase my question, I need to install libopencv-dev:armel in debian, but I can't because the libopencv2.4-java:armel dependency is not available (there's only a libopencv2.4-java:all package), how should I proceed? |
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| 15:09.12 | jelly | deviantfero, are you using apt to install things? What does it say? |
| 15:09.18 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 15:09.19 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 15:10.21 | jelly | ,depends libopencv-dev --arch armel |
| 15:10.22 | judd | Package libopencv-dev in buster/armel -- depends: libopencv-calib3d-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), libopencv-contrib-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), libopencv-core-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), libopencv-features2d-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), libopencv-flann-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), libopencv-highgui-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), libopencv-imgcodecs-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), libopencv-imgproc-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), libopencv-ml-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), |
| 15:10.24 | judd | libopencv-objdetect-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), libopencv-photo-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), libopencv-shape-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), libopencv-stitching-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), libopencv-superres-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), libopencv-ts-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), libopencv-video-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), libopencv-videoio-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), libopencv-videostab-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), libopencv-viz-dev (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), (1 more message) |
| 15:10.38 | jelly | judd, more |
| 15:10.40 | judd | libopencv3.2-java (= 3.2.0+dfsg-6), pkg-config, libc6 (>= 2.27), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.5), libopencv-calib3d3.2, libopencv-contrib3.2, libopencv-core3.2, libopencv-features2d3.2, libopencv-flann3.2, libopencv-highgui3.2, libopencv-imgcodecs3.2, libopencv-imgproc3.2, libopencv-ml3.2, libopencv-objdetect3.2, libopencv-videoio3.2, libstdc++6 (>= 5.2), libtbb2. |
| 15:11.03 | deviantfero | hi jelly, thanks for helping, here's what it says: https://pastebin.com/HDXdKUd3 |
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| 15:12.00 | jelly | deviantfero, which debian release is this? Can you show all the info dpkg asked for above? |
| 15:12.13 | deviantfero | basically it seems like it's trying to install libopencv2.4-java:armel, but there is no such thing, that package only has "all" architecture, which should be fine, but the package "needs" the :armel version apparently |
| 15:12.14 | deviantfero | stretch |
| 15:12.24 | jelly | deviantfero, also, what's the native arch? |
| 15:12.28 | deviantfero | amd64 |
| 15:12.41 | jelly | that might be a bug in apt |
| 15:12.56 | jelly | or the -dev packages are not multiarch compliant |
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| 15:13.24 | deviantfero | it lists libopencv-dev as available under armel, so I expected to be able to install it |
| 15:13.42 | jelly | not all packages are multiarch ready |
| 15:13.44 | deviantfero | or do you mean something different? |
| 15:13.50 | deviantfero | ah, I see |
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| 15:14.22 | jelly | maybe set up an armel chroot and use qemu to run things |
| 15:15.13 | deviantfero | is there a way I could maybe exclude that dependency? I really don't need java bindings |
| 15:15.56 | deviantfero | and I only need "opencv/core" and "opencv/imgproc", but I was not able to get pkg-config to detect only those packages and giving me appropriate flags for compiling |
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| 15:18.57 | lupulo | deviantfero |
| 15:19.07 | lupulo | do you have tried with maven? |
| 15:19.27 | deviantfero | what do you mean? |
| 15:20.01 | lupulo | apache-maven |
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| 15:24.36 | deviantfero | isn't that for java dependencies? |
| 15:24.44 | deviantfero | sorry I'm really not sure what you're suggesting |
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| 15:46.46 | realtime-neil | What's the proper way to override `LC_NUMERIC=C` for a given host? |
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| 15:51.33 | lupulo | realtime-neil |
| 15:51.36 | lupulo | https://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 15:51.59 | realtime-neil | lupulo: much thanks |
| 15:52.57 | lupulo | man locale-gen |
| 15:54.04 | realtime-neil | lupulo: looks like I append my override to /etc/locale.gen and wait for the magic to happen? Or force the magic by invoking `locale-gen` ? |
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| 15:55.32 | realtime-neil | Although that looks like the file that controls which locales are built, rather than which `LC_` things are overridden. |
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| 16:10.57 | lupulo | realtime-neil |
| 16:11.17 | lupulo | you could test the process with $env |
| 16:11.19 | lupulo | man env |
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| 16:11.56 | realtime-neil | lupulo: yes, understood. I've tested thusly and confirmed that this is the override I want to effect. |
| 16:12.36 | realtime-neil | lupulo: I'm considering putting a `update-locale LC_NUMERIC=C` in a postinst maint script, but I don't know if this is "correct" vis-a-vis debian policy. |
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| 16:18.06 | Kobaz | soooo i have an interesting issue here.... ssh to this one server i just upgraded to buster is slow... ssh -vv root@comm-nyc1.vpn.... freezes on 'debug1: pledge: network' for about 20 seconds |
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| 16:18.59 | lupulo | realtime-neil |
| 16:19.20 | Kobaz | https://dpaste.com/3UH7GVFJA |
| 16:20.05 | wyre | what's the difference between salsa.debian.org and sources.debian.org ? |
| 16:20.20 | lupulo | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer -> #debian-newmaint |
| 16:21.03 | wyre | lupulo, that channel doesn't exist |
| 16:21.33 | wyre | well, at least in freenode 🤔 |
| 16:22.38 | lupulo | in the website context, it exists. |
| 16:22.57 | lupulo | wiki debian namespace... |
| 16:24.01 | jelly | I have no idea what #debian-newmaint is, but #debian-mentors is on OFTC network |
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| 16:25.44 | imMute | wyre: it looks like sources.debian.org contain the source packages (which are required for all packages). salsa.debian.org is a GitLab instance which *some* packages use for managing the package. |
| 16:25.45 | lupulo | that is true jelly |
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| 16:28.03 | wyre | imMute, but then why I can see here source code? 🤔 https://sources.debian.org/src/netkit-tftp/0.17-22/tftp/ |
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| 16:29.24 | imMute | wyre: that's the point of the source package - to provide the source code. |
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| 16:29.34 | jelly | wyre, sources.debian.org is a service to peek at source for any debian package quickly, REGARDLESS of how and where it's maintained. |
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| 16:29.58 | wyre | imMute, here https://salsa.debian.org/debian/dash/-/tree/debian/unstable/src is also the source code for dash 🤔 |
| 16:30.01 | imMute | ^^ that. *all* packages have a source package. not everybody uses salsa though. |
| 16:30.14 | jelly | wyre, salsa is a gitlab instance, but its use is not mandatory for debian developers. |
| 16:30.44 | wyre | jelly, so the code is mirrored? 🤔 |
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| 16:31.17 | imMute | wyre: somewhat, yes. |
| 16:31.46 | lupulo | realtime-neil you could ask about debian policy in #debian-mentors is on OFTC network, how to jelly says. |
| 16:32.05 | realtime-neil | lupulo: okay, thank you for clarifying. |
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| 16:33.28 | jelly | that package is for people who want to upload their stuff to Debian at some point, yes |
| 16:33.35 | jelly | that channel*, sorry |
| 16:34.40 | jelly | <realtime-neil> What's the proper way to override `LC_NUMERIC=C` for a given host? # is this your actual question? |
| 16:34.49 | jelly | scrolled back |
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| 16:36.35 | realtime-neil | jelly: yes |
| 16:37.06 | realtime-neil | jelly: assuming the tool I have is maint script or a d-i preseed |
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| 16:37.09 | umnor | hello |
| 16:38.00 | jelly | realtime-neil, the policy is clear there. You _don't_ touch configuration that does not belong to your app. |
| 16:38.37 | jelly | and /etc/default/locale, where system-wide locale values go, is under control of the admin |
| 16:38.52 | umnor | if a json has a leading "2" and a "0" at the end, what does that mean ? "2{....}0", I am trying to use a proxy and I don't understand why it is adding those chars |
| 16:39.07 | realtime-neil | jelly: what's the strictly correct thing to do here? override the environment variable for each of the programs that need LC_NUMERIC=C ? |
| 16:39.30 | imMute | umnor: is the whole JSON just "{}" ? maybe it's the Chunked encoding? |
| 16:40.01 | jelly | realtime-neil, yes. If your installation script might behave different/incorrect, you override there |
| 16:40.18 | umnor | imMute: there is something inside {} |
| 16:40.57 | jelly | realtime-neil, see for example /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6:amd64.postinst |
| 16:41.17 | jelly | export LC_ALL=C at the beginning |
| 16:41.19 | umnor | imMute: I don't understand what is going wrong in this file https://github.com/philippotto/transformer-proxy/blob/master/index.js |
| 16:42.03 | imMute | umnor: I'm not a JS developer. and this is a support channel for Debian... |
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| 16:42.59 | umnor | imMute: I will try to fix the js but I want to know what does this leading "2" means |
| 16:43.12 | realtime-neil | jelly: I don't think that's what I want. I wanted the applications installed by the package to have LC_NUMERIC=C in their environments at runtime. |
| 16:43.23 | imMute | umnor: you'd have to track down where it's coming from. it sounds like a bug or misconfiguration |
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| 16:44.01 | realtime-neil | jelly: unless you're saying that declaring that variable in a postinst maint script does some kind of magic I was heretofore unaware? |
| 16:44.29 | umnor | imMute: with web browser I can't see those leading chars in response but I can see it using python socket |
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| 16:45.40 | imMute | sounds like the Chunked encoding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chunked_transfer_encoding |
| 16:47.46 | umnor | imMute: ok thank you I will search about it |
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| 17:22.03 | goose | I'm having a weird issue on my machine, `hostname` reports my full hostname (guiltyspark.goose.ws), but `hostname -f` only reports the TLD (goose.ws), any idea how to fix it so `hostname -f` reports the full hostname as stated in /etc/hostname ? |
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| 17:34.16 | jochum | goose: look at /etc/hosts switch those |
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| 17:34.59 | goose | jochum, mvp. thank you!! |
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| 18:21.55 | donavan01 | ok got 2 serious newbie questions here ... I have 4 drives on my system but its only got the main drive mounted 2 are fat32 and one is NTFS ... First is NTFS supported, Second how to I get the drives mounted so I can access data on them |
| 18:22.11 | donavan01 | ive tried googling it but I dont understand the howtos I have found |
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| 18:25.06 | shtrb | donavan01, mount /dev/sdXY (where X is the connection interface (a first , b second etc.. ) ) Y is for partitions. |
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| 18:25.47 | BerntH | donavan01: you should be able to add lines in /etc/fstab with appropriate partition and file system. fat32 is vfat (I think) and the other is ntfs for the third field (file system type) |
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| 18:26.02 | shtrb | donavan01, So if you have sata disk with two parttions you could do : mount /dev/sda2 /media/diskX (don't forget to create diskX) and you could just access it under /media/diskX |
| 18:26.27 | tharkun | donavan01: First, are you using cli or a window environment? |
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| 18:26.53 | donavan01 | ok thats really weird I when into dolphin and now they are showing up ... and i didnt do anything to make that happen |
| 18:26.57 | shtrb | donavan01, you should also install ntfs-3g |
| 18:27.07 | shtrb | lol |
| 18:27.27 | donavan01 | looks like its letting view everything ...honest to god I Think linux just hates me |
| 18:27.51 | shtrb | Don't be , baby steps , all will come with time |
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| 18:28.46 | donavan01 | can anyone suggest a good site for learning linux better all my skill is in M$ windows I learn basic unix stuff years ago but so much has changed and I have forgotten even more I feel like i did when I was learning DOS |
| 18:29.57 | shtrb | What's your actual goal ? |
| 18:30.20 | shtrb | you can start with https://wiki.debian.org/SystemAdministration for the most basic stuff, then dive into tldp |
| 18:30.46 | shtrb | https://tldp.org/ |
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| 18:33.22 | donavan01 | and can I ask another question dealing with apt   I was trying to install a tool that let you add the Kali hacking tools (planned to learn linux for pen testing) but somewhere along the lines I screwed up something and now apt is throws errors about some theme every time I try to run it.  Ive done ass the error suggested but it seems I have |
| 18:33.23 | donavan01 | a repo that shouldnt be there and I dont know which one im using MX and not pure debian (wish I had gone that route and probably will at some point) is it possible to tell it not to install that theme so I can get past the error or do I need to find which repo is causing the issue and remove it or what .... sorry about the novel I jsut wrong |
| 18:33.27 | donavan01 | wrote |
| 18:33.33 | donavan01 | thanks for the links |
| 18:33.47 | wsky | and for all the fish |
| 18:33.59 | donavan01 | im trying to swtich completely over to linux I dont trust MS at all |
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| 18:34.28 | imMute | !MX |
| 18:34.28 | dpkg | hmm... mx is the Mail eXchanger resource record in DNS -- it tells an <MTA> where to deliver mail for a given domain. Merry Xmas, or Mexico. Si está buscando el canal de soporte para debian relativo a México, dirÃÂjase a #debian-mx |
| 18:34.29 | donavan01 | wsky .... I do love a good Adams quote |
| 18:34.39 | donavan01 | sorry MXlinux |
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| 18:34.55 | imMute | !MXlinux |
| 18:34.55 | dpkg | MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
| 18:34.56 | donavan01 | ive tried in the channel for the distro but no one talks in it |
| 18:35.37 | shtrb | imMute, how did you got he was with MXlinux ? |
| 18:35.49 | imMute | shtrb: he said he was. |
| 18:35.55 | imMute | shtrb: "im using MX and not pure debian" |
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| 18:36.05 | shtrb | oh I had missed it , sorry |
| 18:36.17 | shtrb | donavan01, move to pure debian :P |
| 18:36.22 | jelly | donavan01, try ##linux maybe |
| 18:36.27 | imMute | donavan01: you should reinstall either Debian or Ubuntu. Ubuntu might be easier to learn with |
| 18:36.32 | donavan01 | I most likely will but I cant have this machine down yet |
| 18:36.39 | donavan01 | doing school work |
| 18:36.43 | jelly | alternatively if you can reproduce the issue on an actual Debian we can try to help |
| 18:36.52 | shtrb | donavan01, you can start with a chroot or a vm |
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| 18:38.06 | shtrb | donavan01, what probably had happened you had mixed apt sources, and now you have broken packages, the first thing to do is : to get rid of all added sources, do apt-get update and start removing what you had added form different sources |
| 18:39.12 | donavan01 | when I do the update it tells me packagesxyz is configured multiple times is this whats killing me ? |
| 18:41.13 | shtrb | That just mean you have a package X which exist in several DIFFERENT repos , comment out in /etc/apt/sources.list (or the extra files) each one that is not from your main dist |
| 18:41.55 | tharkun | !unix lessons |
| 18:41.55 | dpkg | [unix lessons] (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 18:42.00 | tharkun | donavan01: ^^ |
| 18:42.15 | shtrb | lol, and accurate |
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| 18:42.45 | BerntH | (7) needs to change to include USB sticks. I don't have a floppy or CD on this new system :) |
| 18:42.52 | donavan01 | dont type anything I dont understand .... hahahahahh never ...!!! thats how you learn .... you have to break it to be able to fix it right ? |
| 18:43.18 | tharkun | If it works, don't fix it. |
| 18:43.28 | shtrb | BerntH, I got a usb floppy 3.5" :P |
| 18:43.35 | BerntH | donavan01: that should probably be "don't type anything you don't understand as root" |
| 18:43.55 | shtrb | BerntH, systemd and dbus, you don't have to be root to damage your system |
| 18:44.02 | donavan01 | yeah that I dont do ... often unless its in a how to explaining things |
| 18:44.10 | BerntH | I have lots of old hardware and floppies - just no way to attach them to my new system that only has SATA ports |
| 18:44.19 | donavan01 | usb |
| 18:44.24 | BerntH | shtrb: ok |
| 18:44.26 | shtrb | BerntH, there's IDE to USB |
| 18:44.59 | shtrb | Also there are pcie cards that support IDE cables :P |
| 18:46.15 | tharkun | I need to install mysql on a new debian 10 system. What is my weapon of choice mariadb or mysql? |
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| 18:47.10 | donavan01 | BTW thank you all for the help ... I will see what I can fix and if I can't get it going im just going to go to pure debian as the rest of the distors seem to make things more complicated than they really should be |
| 18:47.12 | shtrb | tharkun,I think it's no longer provided post mysql 5 |
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| 18:48.01 | shtrb | !mysql |
| 18:48.02 | dpkg | methinks mysql is a fast and reliable open source relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. It is the world's most popular open source database. To install, ask me about <install mysql>. http://wiki.debian.org/MySql http://mysql.com/ #mysql on irc.freenode.net, #debian-mysql on irc.oftc.net. See also <mysql test>, <mysql squeeze>, <mysql checking>, <mariadb> |
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| 18:49.20 | jelly | tharkun, install default-mysql-server if you don't know better. That will pull in whatever mariadb version is supported in the release |
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| 18:50.23 | jelly | donavan01, debian makes some stuff more complicated as well, but at least then you can ask here |
| 18:50.25 | tharkun | jelly: Thanks. BTW nice to see you old friend. |
| 18:50.47 | f00t | donavan01: repo's for mx, may help apt issue... https://mxlinux.org/wiki/system/repos-mx-19/ |
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| 18:54.03 | donavan01 | jelly ... complicated doesnt bother me so long as there are answers to be found ... the biggest issues I have had in fully adopting linux as my main os is the lack of good documentation ... I used ubuntu for a while and found that every thing I wanted to do on it the How-Tos were written for way older versions and things didnt work or I had |
| 18:54.03 | donavan01 | hardware that didnt play nice .... this system I am running now seems to like linux (at least the version im running) and the people in this room are way more knowledgable and helpful than the ubuntu crowd and dont just tell me go look somewhere else so hopefulling here soon I will be running on straight Debian |
| 18:54.06 | donavan01 | thanks again |
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| 18:54.37 | shtrb | lack of good documentation ?! |
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| 18:56.48 | donavan01 | yeah ... most of the distro I have tried they how-tos on simple things like getting the network card working for instance was incomplete or just wrong or I had a nonsupported card it was alwasy something .... I have fulling compatible hardware this time around (i made sure of it ) and going withstraight debian seems to be the better way to go so im |
| 18:56.48 | donavan01 | going that route as soon as I can wipe this machine |
| 18:57.02 | BerntH | last I checked lack of documentation is considered a bug in debian - this was one of the reasons I chose debian originally |
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| 18:57.47 | donavan01 | bernth ... I dont know if I would consider it a bug but I sure can see why it would be |
| 18:58.32 | jelly | honestly, Arch linux has the best wiki |
| 18:58.40 | shtrb | !arch |
| 18:58.40 | dpkg | methinks arch is a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch Since lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>. |
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| 18:59.04 | shtrb | debian wiki can be made better |
| 18:59.15 | shtrb | it's one user contribution away |
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| 19:00.39 | jhutchins | NB: MariaDB is deviating from the main-line mysql standards and may soon be incompatible (is in some small ways already). They may induce incompatibility with older existing MySQL databases. Percona was committed to 100% compatibility, but they have introduced new features that are not backward compatible. |
| 19:00.54 | jhutchins | I don't know what Percona's current development status is. |
| 19:02.33 | jelly | percona is nice, I'm not sure why it's not in more distributions |
| 19:03.41 | jhutchins | Maria caught the buzz when Oracle switched the license on MySQL, percona was something you had to know about. |
| 19:03.54 | jelly | jhutchins, what kind of "incompatibility with older existing MySQL databases" are we talking about? Unable to "upgrade" from mysql to maria? Unable to connect? |
| 19:04.00 | jhutchins | I'm not seeing anything current on the state of the forks. |
| 19:04.16 | jelly | Unable to do something obscure? |
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| 19:04.35 | jhutchins | I think maria has a stronger development team. |
| 19:04.58 | Hash | jhutchins: Where are you getting your information from? |
| 19:05.32 | jhutchins | jelly: I gather that there are new query formats and changes in procedures. Pretty sure "upgrades" from MySQL are still clean (given reasonably current MySQL). |
| 19:06.08 | jhutchins | I think it's more the API than direct interaction with the DB. |
| 19:06.44 | jhutchins | We had some serious headaches dealing with databases that had been upgraded to 5.1 without any updates or feature checks. |
| 19:06.59 | jhutchins | Things like invalid password formats & such. |
| 19:07.53 | jhutchins | They had a tendency to do "forklift" upgrades without looking at what had changed in the new versions of software or OS. |
| 19:08.54 | Hash | Somethings are different. Difference should be kept in consideration when migrating RDBMS |
| 19:09.07 | Hash | This is not any 'fault' or shorcoming on the part of MySQL |
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| 19:09.29 | Hash | It sounds like you may need to fire/rehire another DB engineer/admin |
| 19:10.01 | Hash | Someone who can keep such a basic thing in mind before beginning a migration/switch. |
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| 19:11.51 | jelly | upgraded _to_ 5.1 would have been from mysql to mysql |
| 19:12.19 | Hash | Even an upgrade. |
| 19:12.41 | jelly | and mysql 3-5 has been rife with incompat and silliness |
| 19:12.42 | Hash | One needs to know exactly what changed before one upgrades. It's usually not a good idea to willynilly do updates. Some changes could be breaking. |
| 19:12.54 | Hash | I personally use MariaDB and PG |
| 19:12.57 | jelly | 31/02 as a valid date, etc |
| 19:13.26 | jelly | encodings. Oh dear. |
| 19:14.06 | Hash | At least you can now store JSON directly as a blob and parse with json functions. Tedious but useful. |
| 19:14.28 | Hash | type json in mysql is type longtext in maria. That one threw me for a day. |
| 19:15.23 | jelly | probably got that from oracle 12 |
| 19:15.49 | Hash | \o/ |
| 19:16.32 | Hash | Man. I'm on urxvt, Input font, terminal transparency, font width: -2 in Xresources |
| 19:16.54 | Hash | And I'm now just noticing that I didn't before, that everytime a line comes in on IRC, it updates/scrolls very slowly. |
| 19:17.11 | Hash | Like I'm on a 300 BAUD connection, the way text gets filled in/comes in. |
| 19:17.15 | Hash | Very peculiar. |
| 19:17.44 | jelly | it helps if the compositor can do actual transparency, and you use that particular syntax for rxvt colors |
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| 19:18.10 | Hash | Well. The problem with compositor is that it composite all windows I think. |
| 19:18.13 | Hash | If I'm correct |
| 19:18.15 | jelly | though, I did not use antialiased fonts then |
| 19:18.19 | jelly | yes |
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| 19:18.38 | Hash | xcompmgr works across all windows. Say I load it with my Xmonad config. |
| 19:18.49 | Hash | I only want transparency behind terminal window, nothing else. |
| 19:19.08 | jelly | yeah, don't use xcompmgr, use compton which does OpenGL |
| 19:19.13 | Hash | And yes, AA font. |
| 19:19.14 | Hash | Oh. |
| 19:19.20 | jelly | xcompmgr would make things so slow. |
| 19:19.31 | jelly | everything in software, it seems |
| 19:19.37 | Hash | Hmm. That's still faster than urxvt native transparency. |
| 19:19.48 | jelly | probably true :-) |
| 19:19.50 | jhutchins | Hash: Having responsibility for some 60 servers and trying to help the DBA manage them. |
| 19:20.03 | Hash | Eep! Grand luck. |
| 19:20.21 | jelly | we don't have that problem, no mysql dba in the house at all :-\ |
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| 19:22.32 | jhutchins | Hash: Yes, we very much needed someon experienced/qualified with MySQL, especially in dealing with obsolete versions. The company chose to hire people with experience with Oracle or pgsql instead. |
| 19:22.47 | Hash | Doh. |
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| 19:23.42 | jhutchins | I have a recruiter I've dealt with for many years, he wouldn't even tell me what the salary difference between what the company was offering and what qualified people were going for. |
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| 19:24.35 | jhutchins | It snowballed into a real nightmare and now I don't have to go to work any more. |
| 19:24.46 | Hash | Do you get paid? |
| 19:24.58 | Hash | I love to get paid while not going to work. |
| 19:25.00 | jhutchins | Nope. All done with that now. |
| 19:25.02 | Hash | It's my favorite. |
| 19:25.26 | Hash | Most of the time I look at it this way: They're paying me to get high and fuck around with computers. |
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| 19:25.38 | Hash | \o/ If I was home, I'd be doing the same thing anyway. |
| 19:25.53 | Hash | The only difference is, I have to get dressed and go somewhere on another's schedules. |
| 19:26.04 | Hash | I'm rambling. |
| 19:26.19 | jhutchins | Me too. Sorry channel. |
| 19:26.37 | shtrb | Hash and jhutchins just skip to #debian-offtopic and continue there |
| 19:26.53 | jhutchins | shtrb: Nah, I think we've played it out. |
| 19:27.10 | Hash | Funny thing if anyone's noticed |
| 19:27.10 | shtrb | sorry |
| 19:27.31 | Hash | nvidia binary driver refuses to PCI passthrogh or virtio 3d accel. |
| 19:27.44 | Hash | Nouveau does virtio3d but I can't get pci passthrough working |
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| 19:28.42 | shtrb | Hash, are you sure about that ? because I think some people had said that they had been using it with vfio |
| 19:29.03 | Hash | vfio/virtio/pcipassthrough any/either |
| 19:29.08 | shtrb | as long you are not on dedicated card, there shouldn't be a problem |
| 19:29.29 | Hash | I thought for pci passthrough you need two cards, one for host/one for guest. |
| 19:29.35 | shtrb | correct |
| 19:30.40 | shtrb | in laptops when you are on dedicatred mode , the on board card is disabled (and by definition you can not have pci passthrough) , when you move to switchable mode you can do pci passthrough |
| 19:30.58 | shtrb | In PCs that distinction does not exist |
| 19:31.08 | Hash | I see. |
| 19:32.13 | Hash | I've had a Windows 10 vm up for a few weeks. I do Diablo 2 in it, works fine. D3D. However, Diablo 3 fails to launch. 3D problems. |
| 19:32.45 | shtrb | with qemu or with virt-manager ? |
| 19:33.00 | Hash | I hate having to reboot. But a neighbour just gave me his spare video card, so now I have two, and can try pci passthrough. Though, I only have 2 x16 slots, one is pci4 and one is pci3 |
| 19:33.04 | shtrb | because virt-manager sometimes have problems to emulate some cards (had some problems with winxp ) |
| 19:33.05 | Hash | Virtalbox. |
| 19:33.21 | Hash | I could not get virtmanager or qemu to do even basic 3d accel so diablo 2 coudl work |
| 19:33.30 | Hash | No dice with anything but virtualbox so far |
| 19:33.36 | shtrb | :) |
| 19:33.46 | Mathisen | without a dedicated gpu for the VM playing games in a VM is just dumb |
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| 19:33.51 | Mathisen | wine is far better then |
| 19:34.13 | Hash | I want mxgpu. $400 ebay gpu, 166gb gddr5, pci3, but... but... MXGPU capable. |
| 19:34.27 | Hash | And I have a 5800x cpu already so amd+amd should work nicely. |
| 19:34.52 | Hash | For minor gamin.. MXGPU is what I want, bu finding an affordable soltion is not so easy |
| 19:35.01 | shtrb | is there a way with xvkbd to show the current selected layouts ? |
| 19:35.19 | shtrb | (*) or any other on screen keyboard |
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| 19:36.14 | Hash | I see someting in manpage for xvkbd |
| 19:36.30 | Hash | Change Keyboard Layout... Open a popup window to change the keyboard layout. |
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| 19:36.44 | Hash | That could indicate your layout maybe |
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| 19:37.28 | shtrb | I wish to see where each letter is :) |
| 19:37.49 | Hash | Don't you see that already on the on screen keyboard? |
| 19:37.59 | Hash | I am confuse. |
| 19:38.01 | shtrb | no , it is left on the US one |
| 19:38.27 | Hash | So if you change keyboard layout the onscreen display should change? |
| 19:38.45 | Hash | I think I'm too stoned. |
| 19:39.04 | shtrb | to be exact , if I click on the global change layout , the layout presented in xvkbd is not changed |
| 19:39.30 | Hash | Ok, that should change, logically. To display the new keys/mappings/layout |
| 19:39.36 | Hash | \o/ |
| 19:39.47 | shtrb | that is also what I thought :) |
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| 19:42.11 | Hash | Some things change. |
| 19:42.30 | Hash | I think |
| 19:47.32 | Hash | Try florence? |
| 19:48.38 | Hash | Nope. that doesn't do diff layouts |
| 19:50.36 | Hash | I found 4 keyboards and neither shift visual layouts upon config change |
| 19:50.41 | Hash | No idea, pal. Goodluck |
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| 19:57.56 | Azrael_- | if somebody remembers my struggle with systemd/rsyslog, here is the solution how to properly route the logs of a new service to a different file: "if $app-name == 'nominatim' then /var/log/nominatim.log" |
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| 19:58.21 | Azrael_- | the struggle was yesterday |
| 19:59.22 | shtrb | thanks Hash |
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| 20:07.48 | JustTheDoctor | i keep getting to many auth failure's while trying to connect to my vncserver.. im using debian 8 and turbovnc. |
| 20:08.09 | JustTheDoctor | normally i restart it and it works but now it keeps doing it immediately after a reboot |
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| 20:13.00 | Azrael_- | mentor / jhutchins: "if $app-name == 'nominatim' then /var/log/nominatim.log" <-- this was the solution |
| 20:13.11 | greycat | where does that line go? |
| 20:13.54 | Azrael_- | it goes into rsyslog.conf |
| 20:14.23 | shtrb | greycat, either to rsyslog.conf or one of the auto loaded files, you have several places and syntaxs |
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| 20:15.27 | Azrael_- | yesterday i thought i was going crazy as i didn't find the solution or even an approach :) |
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| 21:00.42 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: I couldn't have told you that off the top of my head, but yeah, that's what I was talking about, in the syslog/rsyslog config. |
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| 21:01.13 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: Make sure there's something in logrotate to manage it too. |
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| 21:01.48 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: It _should_ manage /var/log/*.log, but check. |
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| 21:13.18 | mentor | jhutchins: I think you might have been too busy telling him that the software invovled wasn't supported. |
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| 21:17.29 | jhutchins | mentor: No, I did think that at first, but then he mentioned that there was a syslog config item, so I corrected myself. I know how to find the syntax for that, I don't have an example at hand to quote, and now he knows where to find that if he needs it again. |
| 21:18.08 | jhutchins | mentor: I didn't really understand what he was asking at first, I thought he wanted to redirect stdout to a file. |
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| 21:22.36 | jhutchins | mentor: I'm not sure you can't use bash redirect to write directly to the syslog, but logger is a better solution anyway for programs that don't have syslog compatibility built in (like custom scripts). |
| 21:24.04 | mentor | jhutchins: Whatever syslogger you have running tends to hold the file open, so you can't append to it |
| 21:24.27 | mentor | jhutchins: In this case, systemd was performing the syslog functionality |
| 21:24.41 | jhutchins | mentor: Actually, you can usually open it in vi and at least add blank lines. |
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| 21:25.25 | jhutchins | mentor: I may be wrong, but I believe systemd writes to the journal, and (r)syslog writes to the logs. |
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| 21:25.57 | jhutchins | mentor: The software has to be able to write to syslog, which relays the data to the log. |
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| 21:26.59 | mentor | jhutchins: I'm pretty sure systemd was just capturing the stdout, modifying the encapsulated process in no way |
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| 21:27.53 | mentor | jhutchins: Then systemd was firing it at syslog() |
| 21:28.56 | mentor | It may have gone through journald, I'm not sure. |
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| 21:37.05 | jhutchins | mentor: It depends on the source program, some are still entirely sysv and haven't migrated to systemd. |
| 21:37.19 | mentor | jhutchins: In this case. |
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| 22:08.09 | plant-ian | hi, i just started using Debian, I'm trying to install the nvidia-drivers I followed the directions here https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_10_.22Buster.22 |
| 22:09.01 | plant-ian | when i reboot after installing the driver seems to fail to load, it seems that the module file is either in the a different spot or is not built |
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| 22:10.29 | Hash | Hello |
| 22:10.30 | plant-ian | there is a section of that document that mentions build failures, if it failed during installation how could I view that log ? |
| 22:10.50 | Hash | https://bpa.st/HRAJW I get errors like this in exim 4 log in debian |
| 22:11.06 | Hash | https://termbin.com/jmeg this is my fail2ban exim filer |
| 22:11.10 | Hash | filter* |
| 22:11.26 | Hash | \[<HOST>\]: 535 Incorrect authentication data - I have this line in failregex = |
| 22:11.44 | Hash | However, the ips in exim4 log do not seem to get banned/added to fail2ban ban list |
| 22:11.54 | Hash | I see the same ips over and over. |
| 22:12.01 | Hash | Is there some problem with my filter that you see? |
| 22:15.46 | Azrael_- | jhutchins / mentor: thanks, |
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| 22:16.43 | Azrael_- | jhutchins: yeah, at first i thought i'd have to take care mysql about redirecting the output to a file but then i got syntax error from the service file and the logs automagically appeared in syslog. that's why i went for rsyslog config |
| 22:16.55 | Azrael_- | *take care myself |
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| 23:05.50 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: You learned something without destroying anything! Points ahead! |
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| 23:08.40 | jjakob | is there a way to get python >=3.6 on stretch |
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| 23:39.20 | jhutchins | jjakob: The problem is that a lot of system internals use python, and installing a newer version as the system-wide default can break the WHOLE system. |
| 23:39.42 | jhutchins | jjakob: You're better off using a local install, a container, or a vm. |
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| 23:46.38 | CommunistWolf | abolish python |
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