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| 00:02.24 | mrjpaxton[m] | Hey, I can figure out how to install Debian with either BIOS or UEFI (or with a GPT BIOS partition), as well as with a GUI or without, but I am still having trouble with figuring out how to install with software RAID 1 and LUKS encryption, since I'm not used to it. Can anyone help? I'll explain more... |
| 00:04.07 | mrjpaxton[m] | So I have a USB drive with a folder with keyfiles, let's say "/media/keymaster/hdd-keys/pc-unlock.key" which is a randomly generated 2048-bit key, and that's the ONLY key I want to use. So when I plug it in, I'd like it to automount (maybe with crypttab) and unlock the root Btrfs partition, or anything else specified in crypttab. |
| 00:04.46 | mrjpaxton[m] | But then I also want to use RAID 1 with my OS, so I'd have redundancy with the encrypted block storage. |
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| 00:07.46 | mrjpaxton[m] | Maybe there's some guides on that.... |
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| 00:30.01 | vezult | so, I built my image with the ubuntu 4.15 aws kernel... |
| 00:30.23 | vezult | and amazon still told me it was an unsupported kernel |
| 00:31.06 | vezult | I wonder how the debian cloud image peeps handle this. |
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| 01:59.32 | okee | Does it matter whether or not the stable release is installed with UEFI? Or in bios compatibility mode? |
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| 02:00.34 | ectospasm | May make a difference to how you partition your disks, i.e. MBR vs. GPT |
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| 02:00.52 | ectospasm | GPT with BIOS or compatibility mode may require a separate BIOS partition. |
| 02:01.04 | ectospasm | okee: ^ |
| 02:01.24 | okee | Yo. |
| 02:01.47 | okee | ectospasm> I am partitioning with GPT. |
| 02:02.16 | sney | both efi and bios are fully supported, with the exception of a few very early/buggy efis that only work with windows |
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| 02:09.15 | ectospasm | okee: Are you using the UEFI? Or is it in compatibility mode? I'd recommend not using compatibility mode, then you don't have to waste space on a BIOS partition. |
| 02:09.32 | mrjpaxton[m] | BIOS vs UEFI does have its upsides and downsides. Sometimes a few things change or don't work the same way when switching between modes. You can also have a UEFI system with BIOS "compatibility mode" which will run UEFI to POST into BIOS, then continue with BIOS. But yes, GPT always has significant advantages over DOS layout. My favorite feature is actually partition labeling, separate from FS labelling. |
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| 02:10.42 | mrjpaxton[m] | Then you can use mount options like PARTLABEL="foobar", and not deal with the labelling restrictions that FAT32, ExFAT or the others have. |
| 02:11.22 | mrjpaxton[m] | Some people do confuse partition labels with regular FS labels. |
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| 02:11.37 | mrjpaxton[m] | You can have both at the same time, actually. |
| 02:13.46 | mrjpaxton[m] | Also, if you're working with GPT, you want to use "gdisk" every time you'd use "fdisk", but "parted" and "gparted" can work with both DOS and GPT layout. |
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| 02:17.48 | okee | ectospam> A message appeared in the installer indicating a previous file system created in compatibility mode was present, and I selected the option to "force" EFI |
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| 02:58.43 | okee | Finally got everything installed except the firmware, mirrors, etc. |
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| 03:10.59 | cozydripp | nice |
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| 03:53.46 | samba35 | is it possible to create a bond or bridge with usb internet dongle and wire ethernet port and connect that bridge with vlan |
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| 03:57.05 | sney | maybe, not all interface types/nic drivers support bridging. try it and see. |
| 03:57.50 | samba35 | how do i check ? |
| 03:58.14 | sney | try it and see. |
| 03:58.22 | samba35 | ok |
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| 04:30.14 | merAzi | Greetings everyone :-) |
| 04:30.44 | Souler | thanks man |
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| 05:20.48 | abff | In a bash script, whats the most robust debian way to identify a file's mime extension, rename the file with said extension, and return the new file name to be referenced later. I have gotten 2/3rds of the way there with exiftool but I can't figure out how to put the file's new name to stdout. |
| 05:22.19 | abff | I've also just used `file --ext |sed magic` but it always seems to fail for gifs and will likely fail for other file types |
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| 05:40.21 | mrjpaxton[m] | I would ask in #bash too. But as far as I know, a lot of the standard `exiftool` and `file` command options and utilities will work just about the same in any Linux OS. I only know that Debian (and Ubuntu) uses the `mime-support` package which provides "/etc/mime.types". So I am not sure if MIME magic recognition is radically different between OSes. But I'd wager they're all pretty close. |
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| 05:45.14 | abff | mrjpaxton[m]: I started reading xdg-utils for inspiration |
| 05:45.41 | abff | they use `file --brief --mime-type $file` |
| 05:45.50 | abff | for generic DEs |
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| 05:46.43 | abff | which seems to have better luck than --extension |
| 05:47.03 | mrjpaxton[m] | Seems to work fine with i3 as well. Pretty neat. |
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| 05:47.49 | abff | Indeed, once I figure our the failure output of this command I should be good enough |
| 05:48.11 | abff | I'd -like- to lean on some mime type dictionary but |
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| 05:58.51 | abff | mrjpaxton[m]: okay I definitely need etc/mime.types thanks for the tip! |
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| 06:04.24 | mrjpaxton[m] | Oh, you're welcome! :) |
| 06:06.03 | mrjpaxton[m] | I should make a correction and say that once Debian 11 Stable (Bullseye) is released, the package will transition from `mime-support` to `media-types` apparently... Hmm... |
| 06:07.38 | abff | oh well |
| 06:07.49 | abff | can't wait for this script to break |
| 06:07.57 | abff | I'll put it in the comments |
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| 06:20.59 | okee | I seem to be having trouble getting the 10.7.0 stable release installer to detect the Linux drivers found at this URL https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git |
| 06:22.21 | okee | I tried both of the USB ports in the XPS 15 7590, and get an error indicating it can't detect it. One thought is that the drivers might be buried in a folder than the installer can't detect, but I don't know which if any of the drivers will work with my ethernet card. Dell India support doesn't know anything about my hardware. |
| 06:22.41 | okee | I will check with Dell in the morning. They really should put the drivers on their website. All they have is windows drivers. |
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| 06:57.08 | abff | okee it might be the drivers for your card are non-free? I usually test a machine with debian-live xfce non-free variant if I can't figure out what's wrong. Then once I've pinpointed the exact driver I need I get that specific one and load it over usb during install |
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| 07:22.26 | mlokpc | NTP constantly exits due to large offsets, not sure what the best way to solve this would be |
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| 07:49.37 | Lope | can I do this? |
| 07:49.53 | Lope | apt update; apt upgrade --download-only; apt upgrade ? |
| 07:50.08 | Lope | apt install --download-only foo; apt install foo |
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| 09:25.32 | EugenMayer | Hello. Trying to get an entire buster upgrade unattended on my stretch fleet. Seems to work out pretty fine until i get `/dev/disk/by-id/ata-VBOX_HARDDISK_VB6aeffc8f-e0621d34 does not exist, so cannot grub-install to it!` when grub-pc is upgraded. The reason is, i suggest, that i have build all those boxes using `packer` on a virtual-box |
| 09:25.32 | EugenMayer | provisioneer and later shipped for qemu and others. no somehow grub has a pointer to the old disk identifier. Can i somehow change this via cli preseed or similar e.g. setting `d-i grub-installer/bootdev string /dev/sda` or similar prior runniung ` DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -qy -o Dpkg::Options::='--force-confdef' -o |
| 09:25.33 | EugenMayer | Dpkg::Options::='--force-confold' full-upgrade` - thanks! |
| 09:25.34 | dpkg | EugenMayer: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 09:25.58 | EugenMayer | oO |
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| 09:35.00 | MegaCarp | i'm having a problem with user trying to login into a xrdp session, if done from windows remote desktop it allows to login, to enter the pw but afterwards it's just a blue screen. from linux (remmina) it's just a mess of a screen or just black. here's what i think is the relevant part from /var/log/xrdp-sesman.log : https://pastebin.com/fHGKtb51 |
| 09:35.13 | MegaCarp | it's something about "X server for display 62 startup timeout" |
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| 09:42.14 | jhutchins | . |
| 09:42.26 | jhutchins | dpkg: ping |
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| 09:50.05 | jhutchins | For some reason this channel froze just after the 14:36 CST netsplit. |
| 09:50.17 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 09:50.19 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-3-686-pae (5.10.13-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-3-686-pae (5.10.13-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.10.13-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-14-686-pae (4.19.171-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.14-686 (4.19.171-2~deb9u1); jessie- |
| 09:50.20 | judd | backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 09:50.37 | jhutchins | !ifrp |
| 09:50.37 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 10:53.11 | EugenMayer | is there a way to preseed a question / value for an follow up `apt-get full-upgrade`? |
| 10:55.46 | Gramcore | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_hostname_resolution |
| 10:56.14 | Gramcore | what does it mean here as permanent address? the local network one? (static without dhcp) or the public one |
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| 10:57.30 | EugenMayer | Gramcore it can be what ever you consider is public. |
| 10:58.15 | ratrace | also a weird choice of words, "permanent" |
| 10:58.17 | Gramcore | EugenMayer, so not the internal one i have for the device? like 192.168.1.5 |
| 10:58.25 | EugenMayer | If it is a box with a WAN interface, you might set this to your WAN ip, thus public ip. If this box is on the private lan, you set this to your private ip. How you obtained your ip does not matter |
| 10:58.26 | Gramcore | with netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 10:59.39 | EugenMayer | If your box is e.g. 1:1 natted you might have a private ip but set the public ip here. It really depends on what you want the system to think your permanent ip is |
| 10:59.52 | Gramcore | EugenMayer, i have setup an nginx server, with a domain name, basically a website, along with an xmpp server. can i just let that /etc/hosts be as it is? 127.0.1.1 hostname ? |
| 10:59.53 | tete_ | hi, i try to install debian on a 1blu server ... but it seems impossible and i have no idea wtf goes on. this takes me now more than 2 days :E the error is here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F54mRRnPby/ |
| 10:59.56 | Gramcore | or will it break anything? |
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| 11:00.14 | ratrace | it's not about a "permanent" IP at all. it's the IP you want the name you put there to resolve to |
| 11:00.14 | tete_ | anyone an idea what goes on? the .iso i have is correct, i checked its md5, but of course i dont know whats on the hoster side. i did not get an error during ftp upload |
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| 11:00.52 | ratrace | (which also identifies the hostname and FQDN of teh machine for some lookups by local processes) |
| 11:02.05 | EugenMayer | ratrace it is not that easy. if that entry matches your hostname and , the first one in there will become the reverse-dns entry for your system for your own hostname. so `1.1.1.1 foo.org foo` with hostname foo will let the system underestand, that 1.1.1.1 is your rdns entry for your hostname. this makes a quiet a difference for stuff which wants to |
| 11:02.05 | EugenMayer | know that |
| 11:02.17 | EugenMayer | be it kerberos, proxmox or alike |
| 11:02.43 | Gramcore | ratrace, so i should change 127.0.1.1 to the ip i access the machine from the internet (the one i use for ssh etc), and hostname like: gramcore.website.com |
| 11:02.44 | EugenMayer | ratrace it does only identify it, if the entry matches the hostname |
| 11:03.12 | EugenMayer | ratrace anyway you obviously seem to know it already - not going to argue |
| 11:03.30 | ratrace | if the entry matches the hostname, there's no such lookup |
| 11:04.01 | ratrace | a process wants to know its hostname. it does a local reverse lookup based on IP it's using, because there could be more than one. |
| 11:04.27 | ratrace | then the /etc/hosts entries come into play to tell the process what's the hostname associated with that IP, or else it'd have to do a recursive rdns outbount |
| 11:04.30 | ratrace | *outbound |
| 11:04.51 | ratrace | so keep in mind you can have multiple IPs, and the hostname identified depends on the IP for which it was looked up by the process |
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| 11:05.35 | Gramcore | we have been using in linux the loopback 127.0.0.1 or that debian 127.0.1.1 to resolve the hostname. i don't get why anything else is needed. i saw some examples that it might make a difference but those seem like edge cases |
| 11:05.48 | ratrace | which means if you have public NAT, the processes can't identify with it because that's not an IP on the machine |
| 11:06.21 | EugenMayer | ratrace AFAIK the first entry, if it exists, matching the hostname you try to lookup (well depend on nsswitch if /etc/hosts is used at all) is used as the result for the response. so the order does really matter in there, that is why it is up there in the top |
| 11:06.21 | ratrace | Gramcore: depends on the context. |
| 11:06.50 | ratrace | first entry, for the IP looked up for |
| 11:07.06 | Gramcore | ratrace, yeah for my case for example, i can't find what i should do. the archwiki doesn't explain either, they link the debian manpage |
| 11:07.23 | Gramcore | those seem more like opinions that anything else |
| 11:07.35 | ratrace | Gramcore: what are you even trying to do? your original question was what that "permanent" IP was |
| 11:08.28 | EugenMayer | Gramcore you configure an arch based server with nginx and ask in the debian channel about what you failed with, while what you fail with is at the very basic of it all. Why do you use arch in the first place if you actually are a learner in that field? |
| 11:09.07 | MegaCarp | i'm having a problem with user trying to login into a xrdp session, if done from windows remote desktop it allows to login, to enter the pw but afterwards it's just a blue screen. from linux (remmina) it's just a mess of a screen or just black. here's what i think is the relevant part from /var/log/xrdp-sesman.log : https://pastebin.com/fHGKtb51 |
| 11:09.14 | MegaCarp | it's something about "X server for display 62 startup timeout" |
| 11:09.47 | ratrace | EugenMayer: I don't see them saying they're using ArchLinux :) and ArchWiki is _defacto_ mostly distro agnostic linux documentation these days |
| 11:10.16 | Gramcore | this is my /etc/hosts https://dpaste.org/EN2u . I have got a domain name (www.random.com), using dns records on cloudflare and setup an nginx server hosting a site on debian 10, on a vps with a static public ip. is this file ok? do i need to touch it? i haven't had any issues so far |
| 11:10.28 | EugenMayer | ratrace really? Did i missunderstood him then? Blame me then, sorry |
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| 11:10.52 | ratrace | EugenMayer: I'd be the first to bark :) |
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| 11:11.04 | ratrace | Gramcore: eh you actually own random.com? |
| 11:11.11 | Gramcore | EugenMayer, debian 10 buster. i dont use arch for servers. |
| 11:11.19 | tete_ | no one who knows what could go wrong at my debian installation? |
| 11:11.21 | Gramcore | ratrace, an example, thats not my domain |
| 11:11.30 | ratrace | Gramcore: and the hosts file is not okay. you need your public IP there with both fqdn and hostname entries |
| 11:11.44 | ratrace | Gramcore: ah then don't use existing domains as an exmaple |
| 11:12.00 | EugenMayer | ratrace i wondered. I rember me asking a ubuntu question for my dang idiot ubuntu zimbra installation back then (i run debian only, only for this box i have to use broken-debian-buntu) .. got fairly burned in here ... understandingly :) |
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| 11:12.14 | ratrace | 123.45.67.8 herpderp.gramcore.com herpderp |
| 11:12.55 | ratrace | tete_: what is that the output of, even? |
| 11:13.05 | Gramcore | ratrace, like this then https://dpaste.org/PeZn |
| 11:13.07 | EugenMayer | Gramcore sorry, my bad. I missunderstood. |
| 11:13.24 | tete_ | ratrace, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F54mRRnPby/ |
| 11:13.37 | ratrace | Gramcore: yes. and again, please make it a habit to NEVER use existing domains as "example" |
| 11:13.38 | tete_ | i get a red ncurses window and the installation is absolutely borked |
| 11:13.50 | ratrace | tete_: what is that the output of, even? |
| 11:13.52 | Gramcore | ratrace, also why isn't the same needed for the ipv6 fields? |
| 11:13.59 | tete_ | ratrace, thats from the installation, the syslog |
| 11:14.19 | ratrace | Gramcore: it is, for the public IPv6. the ff02:: prefixes are special and reserved |
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| 11:15.19 | Gramcore | ratrace, and to clarify that ip you used for an example the 123.45.67.8, is the one use use to ssh into the box right? (ssh root@123.45.67.8) |
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| 11:15.33 | ratrace | tete_: of standard debian installer? |
| 11:15.38 | tete_ | ratrace, yes |
| 11:15.46 | Gramcore | the one i use in my dns records in cloudflare for the herpderp.com |
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| 11:15.55 | tete_ | i can reproduce that - always |
| 11:16.37 | tete_ | i have that vps for more than 2 days now and i am unable to install a debian .iso, thats ridiculous, no idea what is broken on the hoster side... i never encountered such problems |
| 11:16.47 | tete_ | and i work with linux now for more then 10 years |
| 11:16.51 | ratrace | Gramcore: it's the (probably only) public IPv4 of the server, so it's for whatever public access outside of the 127.0.0.0/8 |
| 11:17.07 | ratrace | tete_: you should really ask your host |
| 11:17.18 | tete_ | he says he see's no problem - i should check everything and create a report |
| 11:17.28 | tete_ | thats why i thought i ask here, maybe someone knows whats causing that |
| 11:18.02 | tete_ | the only thing i could imagine is a broken .iso |
| 11:18.10 | tete_ | because of the wierd errors |
| 11:18.15 | tete_ | or a memory problem |
| 11:18.18 | ratrace | tete_: how are you even accessing the console? is this a VPS with a virtual console? |
| 11:18.26 | tete_ | yes its a VNC |
| 11:18.53 | ratrace | VNC to what? I'm not sure the debian installer supports VNC connections |
| 11:19.14 | tete_ | the VNC connects to the hoster, he has some magic that connects to my machine, i guess its a virtual console |
| 11:19.30 | tete_ | thats pretty common (at least for those hosters i know like netcup, 1blu etc.) |
| 11:20.10 | tete_ | i am not that familiar with virtualization, maybe thats already on-board with kvm |
| 11:21.31 | Gramcore | ratrace, another question for some reason on my debian 10 system the ipv6 entries are like i show in the paste: https://dpaste.org/PeZn but as you can see here: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_hostname_resolution it has addtionally 2 ipv6 entries that my /etc/hosts doesn't have (and its different in general). should i change my ipv6 part of the /etc/hosts to be like the manual page? |
| 11:23.03 | ratrace | tete_: accessing your virtual server's console over VNC is anything but common. As for this particular problem ... it does look like corrupt installer. Why don't you use a hosting company with preinstalled debian images? |
| 11:23.26 | tete_ | ratrace, because i am student and that hoster had an offer: 1 EUR / mtl. for a good vps |
| 11:23.31 | tete_ | so i thought i give that a try |
| 11:23.33 | ratrace | Gramcore: no need, those are just convenience names for IPv6 standards |
| 11:23.49 | ratrace | tete_: and this is what you get for 1€ |
| 11:23.52 | tete_ | otherwise i would use my good ol' hoster netcup, but then i have to pay about 10 EUR / monthly for the same stuff |
| 11:24.07 | ratrace | tete_: or try hetzner they go as low as 2-3€ and are quality, with preinstalled debian images |
| 11:24.09 | tete_ | ratrace, hm ya... but maybe its just a small problem |
| 11:24.26 | tete_ | i wrote them when the problem is not fixed until monday i abort that order |
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| 11:24.47 | ratrace | tete_: you're expecting too much from 1€/mo hosting lol |
| 11:24.49 | tete_ | its a 8gb 6vcore system... for 1 eur, thats so sad |
| 11:24.56 | tete_ | ratrace, thats a special offer |
| 11:24.57 | ratrace | just reading that email on their part costs more than 1€ |
| 11:25.08 | tete_ | normaly that would be about 5 or 6 EUR |
| 11:25.14 | ratrace | tete_: 8GB 6 core system is a DAMN LIE for 1€ |
| 11:25.21 | tete_ | lol its too good eh? ;) |
| 11:25.25 | ratrace | it's impossibly good |
| 11:25.55 | tete_ | hold on, my bad, its https://www.1blu.de/server/vserver/ 4 vcore and 8gb ram and 120gb ssd |
| 11:26.09 | tete_ | but still too good - but its a special offer, only valid for a couple of days hm |
| 11:26.20 | ratrace | I mean... I'm not saying you won't actually get 8GB of RAM and /proc/cpu would list 6 cores .... but you'd be one of hundreds crammed on the host, in order to gain any ROI on the hardware... |
| 11:26.37 | tete_ | i create a report, tell them my findings... if they dont get it working until monday, i am forced to switch, because i need a cheap vserver (student) for my project |
| 11:26.49 | ratrace | use hetzner |
| 11:27.08 | tete_ | i write hetzner if they offer special prices for poor students ;) |
| 11:28.10 | ratrace | tete_: do you smoke? |
| 11:28.55 | tete_ | no |
| 11:29.13 | tete_ | i know what you are going to say ;) |
| 11:29.16 | ratrace | there goes my asinine attempt to point at the source of monies for quality hosting :) |
| 11:29.19 | tete_ | and i only eat rice with ketchup :P |
| 11:29.30 | tete_ | and i live below a bridge ;D |
| 11:29.37 | tete_ | i get that point... i write to hetzner |
| 11:29.46 | Gramcore | EugenMayer, i have been using linux for 10 years or more. i use gentoo on my desktop currently, used arch before etc. never had to mess with the /etc/hosts file. most of these distros also don't give a lot of information about /etc/hosts (or didn't at least). the only real information i found from debian manual |
| 11:29.48 | tete_ | i still give 1blu the chance to fix that until monday, then i go to hetzner |
| 11:30.01 | ratrace | tete_: just one fair warning about hetzner |
| 11:30.31 | ratrace | their hardware is good, their cloud offering as well, but otherwise they're zero support. you get the hardware, and that's it. if you had this problem with them, you'd have NO support |
| 11:30.51 | ratrace | the only support that exists is for reporting hardware issues and they're quick to fix those |
| 11:31.14 | ratrace | that's why they can be cheap AND have quality hardware. they don't waste time and personnnel, everything is automated. |
| 11:31.27 | tete_ | ok, should be no problem, as long as the hardware and upload process works |
| 11:31.42 | ratrace | tete_: upload? of ISO? |
| 11:31.44 | tete_ | when i upload the .iso to 1blu i always get a TLS connection aborted - so i am very sure its corrupted data |
| 11:31.46 | tete_ | jep |
| 11:31.56 | ratrace | wait... why. they have preinstalled debian images |
| 11:32.01 | tete_ | 1blu not |
| 11:32.07 | tete_ | not with kvm |
| 11:32.20 | tete_ | or i did not find that |
| 11:32.20 | ratrace | I don't think they allow random OS ISO uplods. OVH does. with hetzner you can use debootstrap from their rescue env if you really want a custom installation |
| 11:32.30 | tete_ | they do, netcup also does |
| 11:32.46 | tete_ | and that other cheap hoster also does... i cant remember its name |
| 11:32.52 | ratrace | pretty much every hoster on the planet offers preinstalled debian images. those that do not .... shouldn't call themselves hosting companies |
| 11:33.13 | tete_ | i like that feature tbh |
| 11:33.29 | tete_ | it doesnt matter for me if a hoster provide images or not, as long as i can upload whatever i want |
| 11:33.41 | ratrace | you can't get that for 1€. |
| 11:33.50 | tete_ | remember: thats a special offer |
| 11:33.56 | tete_ | only valid for 4 days or so |
| 11:34.01 | tete_ | normaly it would be 5 EUR |
| 11:34.07 | ratrace | 1€ are super constrained predefined environments. and you want a generic environment into which you install any ISO? not gonna happen |
| 11:34.09 | tete_ | or 6 dunno |
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| 11:47.00 | EugenMayer | ratrace you can also use your own preseed with hetzner actually AFAIR |
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| 11:47.43 | EugenMayer | ratrace but there installimage is so useful and powerful - i never had a reason to dare to do so with such a barebone. installimage then chef for everything else |
| 11:49.22 | MegaCarp | i've inherited a server with xrdp and that also makes available over remote desktop windows sessions. how should i go about finding out how are windows sessions implemented? |
| 11:49.53 | MegaCarp | no virsh command found |
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| 11:52.41 | ratrace | EugenMayer: ah yes, the installimage from rescue env, it can do ISOs |
| 11:52.45 | ratrace | forgot about that one |
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| 11:53.08 | ratrace | MegaCarp: virsh..... has nothing to do with xrdp |
| 11:53.35 | ratrace | that's libvirt shell, for managing libvirt based virtualization |
| 11:53.39 | MegaCarp | right, but I'm thinking windows sessions run on kvm or smth |
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| 11:59.57 | ratrace | MegaCarp: that's confusing very different technologies in the same sentece, so maybe you should start from the beginning and explain in detail what's the environemnt, what it does, and what do you want to achieve. |
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| 12:02.13 | ratrace | MegaCarp: unless you mean ... vnc access by qemu-kvm to the VM, and the using virsh to start the display? but that's VNC, not rdp |
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| 12:07.44 | MegaCarp | ratrace: server's debian 10, DE's xfce. thinclients connect to the server using xrdp. most thinclients are debian boxes connecting over Remmina, using RDP. A few are Windows boxes using WinRD. a thinclient can connect to a debian session using one server local (or remote, actually) address or it can connect to a Windows session, again using RDP, over a different address. I know that both are hosted on a single physical server. I'm very unsure how |
| 12:07.44 | MegaCarp | exactly. I'm not sure where to start looking. I'm just guessing that Windows is hosted virtually - but how I check for that? Google says to check with virsh - virsh isn't installed. |
| 12:12.54 | ratrace | virsh is just one tool, libvirt shell. virtualization on linux can be done in several way. first, determine on the host if there's a virtualization process running for VMs. |
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| 12:13.14 | ratrace | for example, ps -axu | grep -i qemu or ps -axu | grep -i vbox |
| 12:13.34 | ratrace | I'm not 100% sure on th second one, if virtualbox can be grepped by "vbox" or you need "virtualbox" or something else entirely |
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| 12:14.13 | MegaCarp | there's a qemu process |
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| 12:14.41 | ratrace | can you pastebin it in full? |
| 12:14.51 | ratrace | or paste here, it's just one line I suppose? |
| 12:15.09 | MegaCarp | it's just a line, i'll paste it here: |
| 12:15.15 | MegaCarp | a_user 31241 0.0 0.0 6092 2520 pts/0 R+ 15:13 0:00 grep -i qemu |
| 12:15.24 | ratrace | eh no... that's the grep itself |
| 12:16.01 | ratrace | you could just dump the entire ps -axu into a pastebin, we can look it up for clues. but I have to warn you, that output could be privacy or security sensitive |
| 12:16.20 | MegaCarp | i understand, i'll try and sanitize |
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| 12:17.03 | ratrace | or since there's xfce on the server, is there a program runnig like virt-manager? or virtualbox? |
| 12:17.17 | MegaCarp | i'm not familiar with the way you "worded" that command, did it dumb the output somewhere? |
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| 12:17.26 | MegaCarp | no-no, no virt manager |
| 12:17.50 | ratrace | `ps -axu` lists the entire process tree |
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| 12:18.36 | MegaCarp | i figured it out |
| 12:18.58 | ratrace | which virtualization is it? |
| 12:19.08 | MegaCarp | i, uh, don't understand: i got the line instead of nothing, doesn't that mean that quemu is running? |
| 12:19.22 | MegaCarp | or was grep briefly a process and it saw itself? |
| 12:20.18 | ratrace | it always lists itself when grepping the ps tree, yes |
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| 12:39.15 | MegaCarp | ratrace: any obvious way to find process names for a given application?... or should i just go dig through processes from root and a few important users? FWIW - no qemu, no vbox or virtualbox |
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| 12:53.35 | mi11k1 | can somebody tell me how the clipboard works as to the term synchronize? |
| 12:53.46 | mi11k1 | ive never understood this |
| 12:54.00 | mi11k1 | i use clipit usually |
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| 12:57.37 | mi11k1 | look for the conf file for apache maybe? |
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| 12:58.51 | mi11k1 | update Users set Password=PASSWORD('newpass') where Username='admin'; |
| 12:59.00 | mi11k1 | password cant be blank i dont think |
| 12:59.11 | mi11k1 | apparently that will reset the password for ui |
| 12:59.21 | mi11k1 | restart the service after perhaps? |
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| 16:23.42 | vezult | sighs |
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| 16:24.05 | vezult | so I spun up one of the official debian AMIs at AWS |
| 16:24.20 | vezult | thinking maybe I could use dpkg-repack to get whatever kernel they are using |
| 16:24.32 | vezult | turns out there is a linux-image-4.19.0-12-cloud-amd64 |
| 16:24.47 | vezult | It indicates that it is signed |
| 16:25.06 | vezult | nevertheless, if *I* use it, I stilll get "ClientError: Unsupported kernel version 4.19.0-12-cloud-amd64" |
| 16:25.11 | vezult | when attempting to import my image |
| 16:25.35 | vezult | So, I have no idea what the secret sauce is. |
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| 16:25.58 | vezult | using an ubuntu kernel didn't work either. |
| 16:26.13 | vezult | So, back to 3.16 it is, I guess. |
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| 16:31.07 | petn-randall | vezult: Doing what exactly? What are you trying to achieve? |
| 16:34.31 | vezult | petn-randall: I build custom AMIs for use at AWS, because reasons. |
| 16:35.03 | vezult | for AMI imports, AWS restricts you to certain kernels |
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| 16:35.28 | vezult | They support all the latest ubuntu, centos, RHEL, etc |
| 16:35.37 | vezult | debian, they support 6, 7, 8 |
| 16:35.43 | vezult | and they seem to be serious about that. |
| 16:35.57 | vezult | the only way I can make it work (that I've been able to figure out) |
| 16:36.19 | vezult | is to use an ancient 3.16 kernel from 8 setting it to the default kernel |
| 16:36.22 | vezult | upload |
| 16:36.27 | vezult | err, import |
| 16:36.47 | vezult | then switch to a modern kernel for each instance |
| 16:37.09 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 16:37.10 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:37.10 | vezult | that works (so far), but is a huge pain. |
| 16:37.31 | petn-randall | vezult: Check out https://wiki.debian.org/Amazon%20EC2, there should be current AMIs built by the Debian team. |
| 16:37.41 | petn-randall | I vaguely recall them being there, too. |
| 16:37.58 | vezult | petn-randall: yes, I know they exist. but as I said, I build custom ones for our use, because reasons. |
| 16:38.34 | imMute | vezult: can you build yours off the ones provided by debian? |
| 16:39.02 | vezult | no, not currently. |
| 16:39.59 | petn-randall | vezult: I must admit I never had to build custom Debian AMIs, what technical things are preventing you to boot them? Does it fail on import or when spinning them up? |
| 16:40.26 | vezult | it fails on import |
| 16:40.49 | vezult | they boot just fine once uploaded, and upgraded to a current kernel |
| 16:41.00 | vezult | the limitation by AWS is arbitrary, as far as I can tell. |
| 16:43.26 | petn-randall | vezult: TBH I always used the stock images, and cloud-init to customize them. If you can't go that way for $reasons, you might want to ask the AWS support why they prevent you from booting your custom AMIs. |
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| 17:12.43 | ddsys | i installed an older version of kconfi-frontends but the kconfig command is not found. It configured and make and make install just fine. any ideas? |
| 17:14.51 | jelly | ,file bin/kconfig |
| 17:15.13 | jelly | judd, ping |
| 17:15.14 | judd | pong |
| 17:15.27 | judd | Search for bin/kconfig in buster/amd64: kconfig-frontends: usr/bin/kconfig |
| 17:15.45 | jelly | ddsys, which debian release and which version of kconfig-frontends package? |
| 17:16.33 | ddsys | jelly: buster 10.8, 3.12 kconfig-frontends |
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| 17:22.22 | jelly | ,v kconfig-frontends |
| 17:22.23 | judd | Package: kconfig-frontends on amd64 -- buster: 4.11.0.1+dfsg-2; bullseye: 4.11.0.1+dfsg-5; sid: 4.11.0.1+dfsg-5 |
| 17:22.39 | jelly | ddsys, where did you find that old version |
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| 17:22.58 | ddsys | github |
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| 17:23.25 | ddsys | i guess i shouldnt have used it |
| 17:23.53 | ddsys | does debian still have 3.12 somewhere? |
| 17:24.20 | jelly | either the package was named differently, or it wasn't in debian at all |
| 17:24.24 | jelly | ,v kconfig |
| 17:24.25 | judd | No package named 'kconfig' was found in amd64. |
| 17:24.55 | jelly | why do you need it? |
| 17:25.45 | ddsys | a script wants it installed |
| 17:25.59 | ddsys | thanks ayway |
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| 17:29.18 | Gramcore | networking.service fails but i cant find why. https://dpaste.org/1NKr |
| 17:29.21 | Gramcore | any clue? |
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| 17:43.41 | Gramcore | also why doesn't debian 10 use systemd-networkd but use ifupdown? |
| 17:45.59 | sney | consistency with previous debian versions, probably. ifupdown has been the standard in debian since well before the switch to systemd. |
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| 17:46.49 | jelly | Gramcore, systemd-networkd is available but is merely not default. |
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| 17:47.55 | jelly | Gramcore, is there an "eth0" interface at all, btw? |
| 17:48.37 | sney | if you run 'ifup -a' directly, there might be more useful error output |
| 17:48.54 | Gramcore | jelly, its a vps so i physically i don't have access but there are two interfaces (doing ip addr): lo eth0 and eth1. eth0 has ipv4 and eth1 ipv6 |
| 17:49.23 | Gramcore | actually eth0 is the ipv6 |
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| 17:56.07 | Gramcore | jelly, ifup: waiting for lock on /run/network/ifstate.eth0 |
| 17:56.17 | Gramcore | and i am still waiting, it doesnt seem to timeout yet |
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| 17:59.55 | jelly | care to pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:00.09 | jelly | or a screenshot thereof |
| 18:00.32 | hendursaga | How do I quickly test if UART/serial communication is working? |
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| 18:06.26 | Gramcore | jelly, https://dpaste.org/5bUA |
| 18:06.40 | Gramcore | seemss to me similar to this bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=838871 |
| 18:06.42 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/838871 in ifupdown (closed): «ifupdown: attempts to bring up allow-hotplug interfaces at boot ignoring link state»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-09-25; last modified: 2020-12-13. |
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| 18:14.20 | Gramcore | seems to be fixed in 0.8.36 but i am on 0.8.35 still |
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| 18:16.34 | Gramcore | hope they release it soon on stable as an update |
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| 18:18.03 | jelly | Gramcore, okay. Don't have both auto and allow-hotplug for the same iface at the same time |
| 18:18.36 | jelly | Gramcore, if your iface isn't hotplugged and is always available at boot right away, leave just auto lines |
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| 18:19.11 | Gramcore | jelly, well this /etc/network/interfaces was autogenerated by the cloud infrastructure i use my vps. i uploaded the debian iso and they generated this file |
| 18:19.32 | jelly | it autogenerated crap. |
| 18:19.35 | Gramcore | should i leave it as is and wait for the ifupdown bugfix? or edit it you think? |
| 18:19.54 | spacedust | why cant autogenerated crap be good in 2021 |
| 18:19.56 | jelly | thta depends on whether eth0 exists always or not |
| 18:20.26 | Gramcore | jelly, every time i reboot it exists. it has eth0 as ipv6 and eth1 as ipv4 |
| 18:20.32 | jelly | Gramcore, if it always exists, leave auto lines. If it appears after a while, leave just allow-hotplug. Don't have both. |
| 18:20.37 | Gramcore | but i don't have other information on the networking of the vps |
| 18:20.45 | greycat | If it's not correct, fix it. |
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| 18:21.12 | jelly | Gramcore, comment out allow-hotplug lines, reboot, see what happens |
| 18:21.23 | jelly | I'm assuming you have console access. |
| 18:21.38 | Gramcore | jelly, i login via ssh |
| 18:21.42 | jelly | whoops |
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| 18:21.54 | Gramcore | so you say only one of those should be allowed only: auto eth0 |
| 18:21.55 | Gramcore | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 18:21.58 | Gramcore | and both is wrong |
| 18:22.05 | greycat | it makes no sense to have both |
| 18:22.08 | jelly | that is miy understanding yes |
| 18:22.40 | jelly | do you ssh over eth0 or eth1? :-) |
| 18:22.48 | Gramcore | jelly, well i login via ssh using ipv4 which is eth1 |
| 18:23.28 | jelly | okay, then for the time being don't touch nything about eth1, just comment out allow-hotplug eth0 and reboot and see what happens |
| 18:23.31 | Gramcore | also why doesn't ifupdown complain about eth1 also, that has the same syntax mistake |
| 18:23.47 | jelly | no idea |
| 18:24.41 | jelly | ipv6-only ifaces might be managed in a different way. Typically a cheap VPS would only have a single interface and ipv4 and ipv6 both on that. |
| 18:25.47 | greycat | or ipv4 only |
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| 18:26.40 | jelly | true |
| 18:26.53 | Gramcore | yes it uses different interfaces for those. supposedly they are connected to different virtual networks |
| 18:27.05 | jelly | that would make sense |
| 18:27.25 | Gramcore | but i think those are always available, i dont see why they put allow hotplug |
| 18:27.42 | jelly | that's a question for your provider |
| 18:27.50 | Gramcore | probably the auto generated configs suck. which isn't the first time i notice that on this vps |
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| 18:28.41 | jelly | my cheap VPS provider _overwrites_ /etc/network/interfaces if I power cycle the VPS |
| 18:28.53 | jelly | (but not if I merely reboot) |
| 18:29.21 | Gramcore | its a vps used by university students, hosting labs etc |
| 18:29.29 | jelly | but hey, for two euro a month I don't complain |
| 18:30.15 | Gramcore | it has a few rough spots, not the most professional work |
| 18:31.14 | Gramcore | also they put an entry at /etc/default/grub on default_linux line: net.ifnames=0 |
| 18:31.34 | greycat | which explains the eth0 and eth1 |
| 18:31.38 | Gramcore | if i change that and interfaces get the non-legacy names, connectivity breaks |
| 18:32.16 | greycat | well, you would need the appropriate lines in /etc/network/interface for the new names |
| 18:32.38 | greycat | /etc/network/interfaces rather |
| 18:33.19 | Gramcore | yes that makes sense. although the new names, i am not sure if they would be the same at a fresh installation |
| 18:33.48 | Gramcore | and i use an ansible script to deploy, so would prefer predictable names |
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| 18:34.56 | jelly | in my experience, "predictable interface names" are in fact LESS predictable than the old stuff |
| 18:35.39 | Gramcore | yes i mean the legacy format seems more predictable to me too |
| 18:35.42 | greycat | depends on the machine, but yeah |
| 18:35.48 | jelly | slightly reconfigure your VM? virtual PCI bus changes. Interface names change. |
| 18:36.27 | greycat | setting up the dot-link files to tie MAC to iface name seems like a really good idea |
| 18:37.01 | Dagger | jelly: I had my interface names change when removing a SAS expander from my desktop (and I had no idea what the interface name was going to be either before or after I removed it), so... yeah. agreed |
| 18:37.04 | jelly | it doesn't work when net.ifnames=0 is in effect, I still have to test if they work without those boot params |
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| 18:37.45 | jelly | Dagger, probably the SAS expander had a tiny PCI bridge inside, and why wouldn't it. Your PCI bus changed. You lose! |
| 18:38.56 | Dagger | ah, but nope. it did plug into a PCIe slot but only for power, not for PCIe |
| 18:39.22 | jelly | where did it plug then, just the sas controller? |
| 18:40.18 | Dagger | it was plugged into one of my x16 slots for power, which was enough for my motherboard to split the other x16 slot to x8/x8 even though the expander isn't a PCIe device |
| 18:40.37 | Dagger | and that shuffles the PCIe slot IDs along by one |
| 18:40.59 | jelly | that's something FDO people did not realize might easily happen |
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| 18:42.37 | jelly | I would have guessed the other way, that the board detected a just-power device and made one PCIe slot _less_ available, not one _more_ |
| 18:43.18 | Gramcore | there is also this file in /etc/network/interfaces.myvps https://dpaste.org/aDTO |
| 18:43.28 | Gramcore | but this interface it talks about doesn't appear in ip link |
| 18:43.32 | Dagger | it makes sense in hindsight, but that's not what "predictable" means. in fact that's the opposite of predictable |
| 18:43.51 | Gramcore | will this file be read by the system? |
| 18:44.20 | greycat | sounds like someone's backup copy |
| 18:44.27 | jelly | Gramcore, it won't, looks like a backup file made by an admin or perhaps an automated tool |
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| 18:45.26 | jelly | perhaps the same tool that created the current /e/n/interfaces file and changed /etc/default/grub |
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| 18:47.03 | jelly | Gramcore, stuff under /etc/network/interfaces.d/ would be read, I think, if there were files there |
| 18:47.18 | Gramcore | nothing there |
| 18:48.12 | Gramcore | well commented out hotplug eth0, lets see what happens after reboot. probably eth1 will get stuck this time |
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| 18:56.50 | Gramcore | jelly, i rebooted while commenting out, allow hotplug eth0. now i see more errors in journalctl about eth0 |
| 18:56.52 | Gramcore | https://dpaste.org/Jj1C |
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| 18:57.59 | Gramcore | at least it stopped saying ifup: waiting on lock for interface eth0 |
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| 19:03.54 | Gramcore | ifup -a, keeps saying this https://dpaste.org/gf2H |
| 19:04.24 | sney | something is really weird with that system and it's probably the host's fault. |
| 19:04.41 | sney | allow-hotplug *shouldn't* make sense on a vps, but try it anyway, and comment out auto instead |
| 19:04.49 | Gramcore | i have set precedence for ipv4 in gai.conf. might that interfere with that ipv6 device? |
| 19:05.26 | sney | disable it and see? |
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| 19:12.06 | Gramcore | sney, i enabled allow-hotplug, and comment out auto. now it works fine |
| 19:12.19 | Gramcore | what does this mean? |
| 19:12.43 | greycat | ... that the interface springs into existence later, not at boot time? |
| 19:13.02 | sney | allow-hotplug is supposed to bring up the interface when the device is detected by udev. on a vm, your interfaces are virtual, so they should always be there, but apparently not here |
| 19:13.18 | sney | I'm back to [12:04:23] <sney> something is really weird with that system and it's probably the host's fault. |
| 19:13.26 | sney | but you found the working combination, so hooray! |
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| 19:13.43 | Gramcore | should i do the same about eth1? right now it has both auto eth1, and allow-hotplug eth1 |
| 19:14.00 | sney | you definitely never need both. that much is clear from the interfaces(5) man page. |
| 19:14.16 | terps | Would anyone happen to know how I would go about controlling my gpu fan speed with nvidia driver 460.39? All the pre-existing guides seem to no longer apply on debian 10 or I'm missing something |
| 19:14.17 | sney | and yes, I'd say do the same thing with both |
| 19:15.18 | hendursaga | So, I'm trying to connect to my RPi via a USB to UART adapter and I can't screen /dev/ttyUSB0 because some getty process is running - how do I disable that? |
| 19:15.41 | greycat | ask your OS channel, probably |
| 19:15.47 | hendursaga | No no no.. |
| 19:15.56 | greycat | it's Raspbian, right? |
| 19:15.59 | hendursaga | I'm on Debian Stable, trying to disable that service on my laptop. |
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| 19:16.10 | hendursaga | So it frees it up so I can connect. |
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| 19:16.19 | terps | my issue specifically is there's no xorg.conf for me to put the coolbits string into I'm not sure how to proceed |
| 19:16.23 | greycat | well, undo whatever you did to enable that getty, either in /etc/inittab if you're running sysvinit, or in some systemd unit if you're running systemd |
| 19:16.33 | Gramcore | commented out auto eth0, and auto eth1. leaving allow-hotplug for both |
| 19:16.36 | hendursaga | I never enabled it - it came with the installation?! |
| 19:16.42 | Gramcore | lets see if i will be able to ssh now :D |
| 19:16.54 | sney | terps: you can put xorg.conf snippets in individual files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 19:16.57 | greycat | if it's unique to the ARM versions of Debian then I don't know anything about it |
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| 19:17.26 | terps | sney thanks so much I will give that a go. |
| 19:17.36 | sney | terps: xorg.conf doesn't exist by default on debian because modern X should autodetect almost everything. but files in that directory can override little bits of it. |
| 19:18.30 | hendursaga | greycat: No no no... I'm trying to connect to a FreeBSD image running on my RPi - the client has NOTHING to do with Linux, I'm trying to get my host client, Debian 10, to connect, but the agetty process is hogging the serial port. |
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| 19:19.55 | sney | getty was supplanted by logind I thought. is this a non-systemd thing? |
| 19:20.13 | hendursaga | This is standard, stock Debian 10. And I think it's agetty actually |
| 19:20.45 | greycat | Well, disable it. |
| 19:20.51 | Gramcore | removing auto eth0 and auto eth1, everything seems to work fine. |
| 19:21.20 | hendursaga | greycat: I've already disabled and stopped getty@tty1 but agetty remains |
| 19:21.32 | hendursaga | And I don't see an agetty process - I don't know what the heck is starting it. |
| 19:21.39 | hendursaga | *service |
| 19:21.40 | sney | tty1 isn't ttyUSB0 |
| 19:21.43 | greycat | Obviously the getty on tty1 is NOT the getty on /dev/ttyUSB0 so try again. |
| 19:22.34 | hendursaga | But that's the only process, besides agetty, that's running. |
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| 19:24.25 | hendursaga | How do I tell what's hogging ttyUSB0? |
| 19:25.16 | greycat | You literally said it's "some getty process". |
| 19:25.34 | hendursaga | There's multiple ones |
| 19:25.53 | hendursaga | I'm guessing it's something to do with getty - I've never done UART before |
| 19:25.58 | sney | why don't you pastebin the output you're looking at, rather than trying to summarize |
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| 19:26.03 | greycat | Are you recanting your previous claim that there is a getty process running on ttyUSB0? |
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| 19:26.34 | hendursaga | sney: the process output? or systemctl status? or what? |
| 19:26.54 | greycat | Whatever the fuck you are looking at which made you say there is "some getty process" running on ttyUSB0. |
| 19:26.56 | hendursaga | greycat: It was a suspicion, otherwise, I have no clue what's hogging |
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| 19:28.40 | goose | When going to resize a lvm partition, I accidentally did 'lvreduce' before 'resize2fs', and now my superblock for that partition is busted. Any way to fix this? |
| 19:29.22 | hendursaga | Let me try figuring this out for a sec.. trying lsof and tools.. |
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| 19:36.57 | hendursaga | Huh. I think there was a leftover screen process that I didn't kill. |
| 19:38.08 | Mister00X | facepalms |
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| 19:59.17 | jhutchins | goose: Restore the backup you always make before you mess with partioning. |
| 20:00.04 | goose | Yeah.... About that.... |
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| 20:01.30 | jezebel | oops |
| 20:02.20 | goose | I'm pretty unhappy with myself. It wasn't even a big partition, would have taken 2 minutes to back up before messing with it |
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| 20:03.13 | Gramcore | reading this: https://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation#Changing_or_moving_the_swap_partition if i don't want hibernation should file: /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume be empty or have RESUME= or be the file should be deleted? |
| 20:05.05 | jhutchins | goose: Ah well. Experience is proportionate to data destroyed. (I have lots.) |
| 20:05.12 | tomreyn | not exist, be empty, or not have a (non comment) line starting "RESUME=" should be fine. |
| 20:15.09 | Gramcore | my vps autoconfig has this resume file (with wrong UUID) in it. i don't see why a vps would need hibernation |
| 20:15.26 | Gramcore | unless they use it somehow when they are down for maintenance |
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| 20:16.49 | sney | Gramcore: considering the situation with interfaces, I think you're going to find lots of stuff in that image that doesn't make sense. |
| 20:16.59 | sney | probably initially configured by someone inexperienced |
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| 20:17.58 | Gramcore | sney, yup |
| 20:18.09 | Gramcore | and those are only the things i managed to find |
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| 20:24.33 | mentor | goose: You might be able to reallocate the physical extents back to the logical volume, to be able to recover the data. Assuming they haven't gone anywhere else |
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| 20:25.48 | jhutchins | Gramcore: I've worked in places where production server, like high traffic Oracle servers, had obviouly been built by some Windows admin and had a full GUI desktop installed and active, complete with mp3 player. There may habe been a shortage of cluse among those building the VPS image. |
| 20:27.08 | Gramcore | jhutchins, lol |
| 20:28.45 | Gramcore | did they have the windows xp wallpaper? the one with the green fields? |
| 20:29.10 | jhutchins | RedHat seems to be pushing this idea. You don't have to hire those expensive Linux experts, any Windows admin can manage a RedHat server farm. |
| 20:29.40 | Gramcore | redhat has gui tools. like ansible tower |
| 20:30.09 | jhutchins | Gramcore: I don't know, they didn't have remote desktop enabled and the one monitor in the datacenter was on the other side of the room. |
| 20:31.20 | Gramcore | how do people become windows admins? are there microsoft workshops? |
| 20:31.36 | Gramcore | never used windows server willingly |
| 20:32.28 | sney | there's a certification program, but in practice they usually get promoted up from desktop support |
| 20:32.40 | Gramcore | a friend who works at a bank tells me all their infrastucture is windows server, and the sys admins can't open up a terminal to do basic things |
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| 20:39.09 | Gramcore | should i first update-grub and then update-initramfs -u ? |
| 20:39.37 | Gramcore | i mean obviously i need to run update-grub in the end |
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| 20:39.56 | sney | build the initramfs before updating the bootloader, though iirc the 'update-grub' command triggers both |
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| 20:58.50 | jhutchins | When I did it there were $50 books that would give you a pretty good grounding. I kind of picked it up along the way, being the guy who would work on PCs when being paid to tend the printer. The DOS 3.5 manual was really good for understanding the DOS layer, after which overlaying Windows wasn't that hard. |
| 21:01.28 | abff | Gramcore: I mean to be fair if I had to do anything in powershell on windows I'd be 96% useless |
| 21:01.49 | jhutchins | I worked with a variety of systems, from mainframes to Apple IIs and a Commodore 64 before I really started doing PCs, and DOS on PCs. I was lucky to have pretty good knowledge at the point where companies were realizing that no, the receptionist can't manage the whole office's computers and the Novel server. |
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| 21:07.53 | Gramcore | abff, supposedly you can do things in powershell, so those windows admins from microsoft should be able to |
| 21:08.00 | Gramcore | but they just use guis only |
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| 21:29.18 | jhutchins | I was a pretty deep MS expert, but my knowledge pretty much quits at NT4. I did a little 98 support for friends, but I wouldn't want to be responsible for it now. |
| 21:29.55 | dfcnvt | I'm getting fuming and irrational. I - do - not - like - Files - application. It's very limiting and I'm starting to hate it. I've tried to see if I can install nautilus but it seem to claim that it's already installed...And yet I can't seem to open nor use it. |
| 21:30.26 | jhutchins | dfcnvt: Are you sure that's not what "Files" is opening? |
| 21:30.58 | sney | customizing gnome is difficult. if you want a gnome-like desktop environment with any kind of different behavior, try mate or xfce4 or cinnamon instead |
| 21:31.32 | dfcnvt | The "Files" aren't going to let you navigate with something like, "/home" or "/etc" It's unsearchable. |
| 21:32.33 | dfcnvt | Here's an example >> https://i.imgur.com/JzEoTtH.png |
| 21:33.01 | oxek | looks like some gnome3 abomination |
| 21:33.35 | jhutchins | dfcnvt: That's expected behavior on manyh systems - ordinary users don't have access to those, just $HOME |
| 21:34.05 | greycat | Ordinary users can read *most* of the files in /etc. |
| 21:34.21 | greycat | And other people's homes may be opened or not. They're opened by default. |
| 21:34.31 | oxek | if they don't have access, then the Files application should say so. If it hides errors from users, then it's a bad app |
| 21:34.52 | jhutchins | dfcnvt: You're not running a GUI as root, are you? |
| 21:35.05 | dfcnvt | It's smart to curate the dumb user -- preventing any damage to any critical files......That'd make sense why such thing like this exist -- but since I'm a different user...and I'm not liking this type of limitation. |
| 21:35.36 | dfcnvt | jhutchins: No, I'm just a regular user running with any gui. |
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| 21:36.30 | greycat | File permissions already prevent damage by not letting you *write* to the files in /etc. But most of them should be readable. There is no reason for a GUI app to hide them. |
| 21:36.35 | dfcnvt | Will I assume it'll have more access if I run with something like, "gksudo Files" or "gksudo nautilus" |
| 21:37.43 | Mister00X | dfcnvt: try other devices it "should" work there |
| 21:38.09 | Mister00X | s/devices/locations |
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| 21:40.04 | dfcnvt | ...I mean, there is "Computer" within the "Other Locations > Computer" that will take me to root "/" |
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| 21:40.38 | dfcnvt | But.... that's all there is to it. I'm not allowed to directly inject with my full directory text "/etc/init.d/" (for example) |
| 21:41.29 | Mister00X | dfcnvt: that is indeed strange though I use the GTKfilechooser only as part of GTK applications on KDE |
| 21:42.09 | Mister00X | and there I can read those directories |
| 21:42.44 | dfcnvt | I'll just say it -- Files is garbage, I'm unsatisified. Is there another alternative File Explorer that can gives me an ample functionality with no limitation? |
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| 21:43.14 | Mister00X | dfcnvt: on GNOME? |
| 21:43.18 | sney | pcmanfm is gtk and popular |
| 21:43.21 | dfcnvt | Nautilus came to mind...but how do I open it? Yes, Gnome. |
| 21:43.27 | beelzebuzz | nemo, caja, spacefm, pcmanfm |
| 21:43.28 | sney | don't know how well it would integrate with gnome itself |
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| 21:44.11 | dfcnvt | Okay, thanks guys. I"ll research and check it out. |
| 21:44.24 | dfcnvt | (Don't know if I should switch to different desktop environment...?) |
| 21:44.36 | jhutchins | dpkg: status |
| 21:44.36 | dpkg | Since Fri Feb 26 12:05:07 2021, there have been 0 modifications, 5 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 9h 39m 29s this session, and currently reference 40857 factoids. I'm using about 44468 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3.82/0.32 child 0/0 |
| 21:53.26 | dfcnvt | Very nice...Now, I love nemo |
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| 21:55.34 | dfcnvt | Very accessible to any directory >> https://i.imgur.com/fDvjAHw.png |
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| 21:55.56 | dfcnvt | # sudo apt install nemo |
| 21:56.03 | dfcnvt | ^^ Do it, you'll thank me later. |
| 21:57.31 | sney | that's the cinnamon one? neat |
| 21:57.34 | jhutchins | dfcnvt: I'm ok with thunar. Can be a little awkward on some things, but it gives me the power to totally screw up my hierarchical storage. |
| 21:58.49 | Mister00X | uses dolphin, but wont reccomend it for GTK based DEs |
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| 22:31.22 | tinga | Some packages are asking about maintainer vs. locally installed config files (do you want to use I N etc. stuff). |
| 22:31.33 | tinga | Even though debconf is set to noninteractive. |
| 22:31.42 | tinga | Clearly this is not using debconf. |
| 22:31.54 | tinga | Can I configure it to use defaults, i.e. be noninteractive, as well? |
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| 22:36.18 | sney | tinga: that's conffiles, see https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/21/debian-conffile-configuration-file-managed-by-dpkg/ |
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| 22:40.27 | tinga | sney, thanks! |
| 22:40.45 | sney | np |
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| 23:05.31 | jhutchins | It would be interesting if there were a way to scan for modified files and report a list, which could be used for backups. |
| 23:06.05 | jhutchins | It would also be useful if someone else had modified the config and youo needed to know which files to look at. |
| 23:06.10 | greycat | sounds like you're reinventing rsync |
| 23:07.46 | jhutchins | Well, let's say you're a new admin, and the old guy is either not around or doesn'r remember what he did four years ago. (That could be me who doesn't remember.) |
| 23:08.03 | jhutchins | I don't think thats anything like rsync. |
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| 23:11.58 | Deihmos | how do i know if a package is available in backports? |
| 23:12.04 | Deihmos | trying to get sudo apt-get install sabnzbdplus/buster-backports |
| 23:12.13 | Deihmos | what am i doing wrong? |
| 23:12.25 | sney | ,v sabnzbdplus |
| 23:12.26 | judd | Package: sabnzbdplus on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 0.7.18-1; stretch/contrib: 1.1.1+dfsg-1; buster/contrib: 2.3.6+dfsg-1; bullseye/contrib: 3.1.1+dfsg-2; sid/contrib: 3.1.1+dfsg-2 |
| 23:12.32 | sney | it's not in backports. |
| 23:13.38 | Deihmos | i see |
| 23:13.55 | Deihmos | the instructions mention backports so thought it was there |
| 23:14.24 | Deihmos | is it possible to install packages from bullseye ? |
| 23:14.37 | sney | mixing bullseye with buster is not supported |
| 23:14.58 | sney | you may be able to use the following procedure to rebuild the newer package on buster, |
| 23:14.59 | sney | !ssb |
| 23:14.59 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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