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| 07:27.42 | sabasedigh | hello |
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| 07:28.16 | sabasedigh | I need to install paper flash for adobe connect meeting. |
| 07:28.40 | sabasedigh | but paperflash seems to be a dummy package. I need a solution. could anyone help? |
| 07:31.37 | nkuttler | ugh, flash is dead |
| 07:33.24 | sabasedigh | nkuttler and adobe connect is not. :( |
| 07:33.27 | jelly | the pepperflash installer package used to download chrome and extract the plugin |
| 07:33.32 | mrjpaxton[m] | And yet, people are putting it on life support. I mean, heck, a lot of old video games are still only playable in Flash. |
| 07:33.52 | mrjpaxton[m] | It looks like Adobe Connect is transitioning to HTML5, anyway. |
| 07:33.57 | jelly | since chrome does not ship flash any more you're not going to be able to use that way to install things |
| 07:34.30 | sabasedigh | yes but the instance that my meeting is on wouldn't support anything but flash |
| 07:35.00 | sabasedigh | jelly is there any other way to install paperflash? |
| 07:35.09 | nkuttler | sabasedigh: i'd get an evaluation license for windows and install that crap in a vm.. |
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| 07:37.51 | mrjpaxton[m] | sabasedigh: You mean Pepper Flash? It's no longer maintained anymore. Hasn't been for a long time. |
| 07:37.59 | jelly | sabasedigh, find a google chrome download from last year and grab it from there |
| 07:38.11 | jelly | mrjpaxton[m], long time is December 2020. |
| 07:38.37 | sabasedigh | mrjpaxton[m] any other way to get flash in chrome ? |
| 07:39.11 | jelly | no, use older chrome and be very careful not to access any other internet sites with it |
| 07:39.15 | mrjpaxton[m] | You only bet might be to use a snapshot from http://snapshot.debian.org/ - However, I do not know when the official Flash player from non-free was discontinued at whichever latest version. The snapshots might not go back that far. |
| 07:39.35 | nkuttler | ask whoever wants you to join that meeting to get you the hard and software you need |
| 07:39.46 | mrjpaxton[m] | And I also can't guarantee that it will be installable on Buster. |
| 07:40.05 | jelly | mrjpaxton[m], debian NEVER shipped the player, just an installer script that would download google chrome and extract the plugin |
| 07:40.25 | mrjpaxton[m] | Well, it looks like there is a Flatpak for it - https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.adobe.Flash-Player-Projector |
| 07:40.35 | mrjpaxton[m] | So you might be able to install it from Flathub. |
| 07:41.18 | mrjpaxton[m] | jelly: Oops. Thanks for clarifying. I was also not sure about that. |
| 07:42.40 | jelly | best avoid giving advice about things you're not sure about, lest it be incorrect and make other people chase ghosts |
| 07:45.09 | jelly | sabasedigh, first result on google for: old chrome releases, https://www.slimjet.com/chrome/google-chrome-old-version.php |
| 07:45.17 | jelly | NO WARRANTY |
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| 07:47.01 | jelly | wget --trust-server-names 'https://www.slimjet.com/chrome/download-chrome.php?file=files%2F86.0.4240.75%2Fgoogle-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb' |
| 07:47.08 | jelly | seems to download _something_ |
| 07:48.17 | jelly | but funny thing is, it doesn't contain libpepflashplayer.so either |
| 07:49.38 | jelly | I do seem to have a -rw------- 1 jelly users 19509216 Dec 9 20:42 /home/jelly/.config/google-chrome/PepperFlash/32.0.0.465/libpepflashplayer.so on a machine that hasn't been updated in a while, but I do not know exactly where it came from |
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| 07:50.25 | mrjpaxton[m] | If it's possible that Adobe Connect can be downloaded and used as a SWF file, then hopefully the standalone Adobe Flash player I linked at Flathub will work. |
| 07:50.45 | mrjpaxton[m] | But yeah, that's a tricky one to solve. |
| 07:52.34 | jelly | sabasedigh, if you trust binaries from random people on irc, I can put it somewhere |
| 07:52.45 | sabasedigh | jellyI trust U |
| 07:52.47 | jelly | (you really shouldn't) |
| 07:52.48 | sabasedigh | plz |
| 07:52.53 | sabasedigh | Version 79.0.3945.88 (Official Build) unknown (64-bit) |
| 07:53.00 | sabasedigh | from slimjet didn't work |
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| 07:53.23 | sabasedigh | Adobe Connect requires Flash Player 11.2 or above. |
| 07:53.27 | sabasedigh | :( |
| 07:53.41 | sabasedigh | not cool. not at all |
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| 07:57.27 | jelly | sabasedigh, https://jelly.network/other/pepperflash.tar.gz |
| 07:57.30 | jelly | e0e4dab9cf1ad6c312f23b130acb82ac pepperflash.tar.gz |
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| 07:59.08 | jelly | installation might probably be like: stop chrome, unpack into ~/.config/google-chrome/, edit path in ~/.config/google-chrome/PepperFlash/latest-component-updated-flash |
| 07:59.18 | jelly | and hope that works |
| 07:59.47 | sabasedigh | jelly going to install |
| 08:00.04 | sabasedigh | fingers crossed |
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| 08:00.38 | mrjpaxton[m] | Turns out jelly had an oldoldstable system lying around. |
| 08:00.54 | mrjpaxton[m] | idk |
| 08:01.23 | jelly | SO MANY BOTS scraping links from this channel |
| 08:01.25 | sabasedigh | mrjpaxton[m]; that's was a light in darkness. I hope |
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| 08:02.06 | mrjpaxton[m] | Well, you know how it is on Freenode.... |
| 08:02.28 | Unit193 | More like, clients like the lounge automatically fetch URL titles/etc. |
| 08:02.44 | jelly | hey you people using The Lounge irc client, you should probably be aware your real IP address is exposed any time anyone posts a link in channel |
| 08:03.21 | jelly | very nice feature... if I want to figure out where people live |
| 08:04.14 | mrjpaxton[m] | Phf. Well... I at least used WHOIS to find out that you prefer Namecheap. ;) |
| 08:05.07 | jelly | 20 thelounges, 1 irssi, 1 synapse/matrix.org, and a curious - [06/Mar/2021:08:57:28 +0100] "GET /other/pepperflash.tar.gz HTTP/1.1" 200 47135 "-" "Links (2.1pre37; Linux 2.6.9-023stab048.6-enterprise i686; 125x40)" |
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| 08:06.03 | mrjpaxton[m] | Well, I am the matrix.org user, clearly. |
| 08:06.12 | jelly | either that's a fake client, or someone has a very, very, very old virtuozzo / openvz VPS |
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| 08:07.40 | mrjpaxton[m] | The Lounge is kind of a funny name for an IRC client. |
| 08:08.03 | sabasedigh | Yayyyyyy |
| 08:08.09 | sabasedigh | It worked |
| 08:08.16 | jelly | !win sabasedigh |
| 08:08.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, sabasedigh! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 08:08.19 | sabasedigh | it worked ... |
| 08:09.00 | jelly | figuring out how to also get microphone and camera working if you need those, left as an exercise for the reader |
| 08:09.28 | jelly | but really, be careful not to browse anything else with that browser version |
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| 08:10.56 | jelly | someone also tried to fetch the directory index for other/ |
| 08:11.31 | jelly | evil Comcast user |
| 08:12.40 | jelly | good thing I don't know anyone in Comcast, and that US protects customer data with GDPR |
| 08:12.52 | jelly | oh wait, none of those are true |
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| 08:16.58 | arwn | I'm trying to install cataclysm-dda-sdl 0.E in debian buster using backports but running `sudo apt -t buster-backports install cataclysm-dda-sdl` installs version 0.C instead. my apt/sources has buster-backports in it. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 08:18.31 | arwn | basically it's not installing the backport package i think. |
| 08:18.37 | sabasedigh | jelly no I won't browser anywhere with that. |
| 08:19.06 | sabasedigh | jelly: which version of chrome you are using with taht flash? |
| 08:19.16 | sabasedigh | */taht/that |
| 08:21.06 | mrjpaxton[m] | arwn: According to this - https://packages.debian.org/buster/cataclysm-dda-sdl - there is no version for buster-backports. |
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| 08:22.39 | arwn | huh ok mrjpaxton[m], is there a way to see if backports contains a package using apt? |
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| 08:25.25 | craigevil | apt policy packagename |
| 08:25.33 | jelly | sabasedigh, I don't know since I haven't started Chrome over there since December |
| 08:25.57 | craigevil | if you have backports in your sources.list it will show |
| 08:26.04 | sabasedigh | jelly; ok |
| 08:26.22 | jelly | sabasedigh, 87.0.4280.88-1 is what's installed, but I think I patched the system once or twice in the meantime |
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| 08:27.45 | jelly | it's a warm standby system in case I manage to ruin my current workhorse |
| 08:30.09 | arwn | ok sorry for the ignorance but if i need a testing version of a package that isn't in backports, what are my options other than upgrading to testing. |
| 08:30.25 | mrjpaxton[m] | For a minute I thought `apt -t buster-backports show <package>` would work, but I guess not.... |
| 08:30.39 | mrjpaxton[m] | I keep forgetting about `apt policy` for some silly reason. |
| 08:31.08 | mrjpaxton[m] | So thanks craigevil for saving me (from my own stupidity). |
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| 08:31.26 | craigevil | armn, backport it |
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| 08:32.36 | arwn | i assume i can follow SimpleBackportCreation on the wiki to do that? |
| 08:33.04 | craigevil | yes |
| 08:33.14 | mrjpaxton[m] | Some options for getting and using newer programs in Debian: Flatpak, Docker, other containers, VMs, debootstrap chroot, and the Nix package manager. |
| 08:33.40 | mrjpaxton[m] | But it's good to keep your system stable. |
| 08:34.02 | arwn | i've looked at nix and docker. but it's a lot of extra confusion and skill just to install a game :p |
| 08:34.30 | craigevil | you could check flathub or snap for it |
| 08:35.05 | mrjpaxton[m] | It can be, yeah. But you really don't want to mix Testing with Stable. |
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| 08:37.05 | arwn | so it'd be a better idea to use systemd-nspawn, docker, or nix rather than creating a backport? |
| 08:37.15 | craigevil | no |
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| 08:40.34 | mrjpaxton[m] | Those are just some ideas. I think the chroot, Flatpak, Snap (as mentioned) methods might be the easiest. Docker is only harder if you are running a graphical application. And setting up a VM and Nix is more intermediary. :) |
| 08:41.22 | mrjpaxton[m] | So you could have a chroot with Debian Testing. I think some people do that?? |
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| 08:44.00 | mrjpaxton[m] | The reason why I say chroot is easier is simply because it's less restrictive, and not sandboxed. The hardest part is setting it up, but it's really easy to use once it is set up. |
| 08:44.56 | arwn | oh that's not a bad idea, just chroot a debian testing |
| 08:45.15 | ratrace | nspawn it |
| 08:45.27 | arwn | yeah that |
| 08:45.43 | mrjpaxton[m] | I think nspawn is different. |
| 08:45.55 | arwn | it's sandboxed from what I remeber |
| 08:46.07 | ratrace | yes. it prepares the environment properly and securely |
| 08:46.20 | mrjpaxton[m] | I've never done that method successfully before. It might be a good project for me to try again, as well. |
| 08:46.26 | ratrace | you can still (bind)mount (read-only) parts into therwise private /dev and things like that |
| 08:47.21 | ratrace | and it's all contained in the single command. otherwis mounting, chrooting, etc... you'll have issues with tearing down the container with umounting all that |
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| 08:50.13 | mrjpaxton[m] | If you just power down the nspawn container, will it try to force unmount everything? |
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| 08:52.19 | jelly | arwn, which package do you need? |
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| 08:53.28 | jelly | if it's something nontrivial testing in a separate container will be easier |
| 08:53.36 | mrjpaxton[m] | You should start advertising your Jelly Network services by now. $5 a click. :p |
| 08:53.48 | ratrace | mrjpaxton[m]: nspawn will deal with it correctly, assuming it was nspawn that created the mountpoints |
| 08:53.59 | jelly | I don't want other people to be jelly |
| 08:54.02 | arwn | jelly: cataclysm-dda-sdl 3-E. i'll probably do a systemd-nspawn thingy |
| 08:54.09 | mrjpaxton[m] | Okay, as long as it's not like, a lazy unmount, I'm good. |
| 08:54.13 | jelly | ,checkbackport cataclysm-dda-sdl |
| 08:54.14 | judd | Backporting package cataclysm-dda-sdl in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13). |
| 08:54.18 | ratrace | mrjpaxton[m]: it's using unshare |
| 08:54.24 | jelly | might be doable then |
| 08:54.46 | jelly | ,depends cataclysm-dda-sdl --release bullseye |
| 08:54.47 | judd | Package cataclysm-dda-sdl in bullseye/amd64 -- depends: cataclysm-dda-data (= 0.E-3-1), libc6 (>= 2.29), libgcc-s1 (>= 4.0), libsdl2-2.0-0 (>= 2.0.12+dfsg1), libsdl2-image-2.0-0 (>= 2.0.2), libsdl2-mixer-2.0-0 (>= 2.0.2), libsdl2-ttf-2.0-0 (>= 2.0.14), libstdc++6 (>= 9). |
| 08:55.11 | jelly | who versions their software E-3 !? |
| 08:55.19 | arwn | game devs |
| 08:55.25 | ratrace | someone said this debhelper-compat is wrong, and doesn't make the build dep unsatisfiable |
| 08:55.38 | ratrace | that it can be ported separately, thus making judd's answer wrong |
| 08:55.45 | jelly | yes, judd is incorrect there |
| 08:56.02 | jelly | it doesn't deal with versioned provides well |
| 08:56.10 | jelly | ,v debhelper |
| 08:56.10 | ratrace | I see |
| 08:56.12 | judd | Package: debhelper on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 12.1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 12.1.1; buster-backports: 13.3.1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 13.3.3; sid: 13.3.3 |
| 08:56.33 | jelly | ,provides debhelper --release buster-backports |
| 08:56.34 | judd | Package debhelper in buster-backports/amd64 provides: debhelper-compat (= 9), debhelper-compat (= 10), debhelper-compat (= 11), debhelper-compat (= 12), debhelper-compat (= 13), dh-sequence-dwz, dh-sequence-elf-tools, dh-sequence-installinitramfs, dh-sequence-systemd. |
| 08:56.42 | ratrace | right, install from backports, boom dependency satisfied. |
| 08:57.10 | jelly | thus: might be doable |
| 08:57.50 | mrjpaxton[m] | I've never used debhelper before. |
| 08:57.56 | mrjpaxton[m] | What have I been missing out on? |
| 08:57.57 | arwn | sounds like a landmine for me in the future. containers seem idiot proof |
| 08:58.29 | mrjpaxton[m] | I must investigate. Lol. |
| 08:59.08 | ratrace | arwn: depends if managing single package is preferable to maintaining a whole contained "OS sans a kernel", more or less. |
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| 09:01.28 | arwn | sure but i am very wary of custom packages and messing with all that because i've got a knack for breaking things. |
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| 09:02.00 | arwn | if i felt comfortable packaging things i might try that but i dont want to have to reinstall again. |
| 09:04.53 | mrjpaxton[m] | I break things too, but I also tend to eventually fix them, somehow. Lol. Such is the Linux life. |
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| 09:19.54 | arwn | hm debhelper makes it magically work, wonderful |
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