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| 02:53.56 | hiptobecubic | I want to use systemd-networkd, but I can't seem to stop ifup@<dev>.service from loading at boot. What starts it? |
| 02:56.21 | hiptobecubic | I have run systemctl disable ifup@<dev> and got no errors, but if i then reboot, it's still loaded. |
| 02:56.51 | jmcnaught | hiptobecubic: is the interface defined in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 03:05.09 | jmcnaught | hiptobecubic: if you have allow-hotplug interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces then when they become available it triggers a udev rule that starts the ifup@.service template for that interface. |
| 03:08.26 | hiptobecubic | that is totally believable... i'll check thanks |
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| 03:15.57 | hiptobecubic | jmcnaught, commented it out of /etc/network/interfaces and it seems to have worked, thanks |
| 03:16.16 | hiptobecubic | Now to figure out why systemd-networkd doesn't want to use dhcp... |
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| 03:41.13 | mentor | Kobaz: Try running the contents of that script manually |
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| 04:03.03 | charking_ | Hello, how do you troubleshoot a graphics problem? Every time I boot I get white garbled screen that cuts on and off for several minutes until I get an X login and then everything works fine. dmesg has messages about GPU lockup and soft resets. I'm using correct drivers (xserver-xorg-video-radeon). I tried with proprietary firmware (firmware-amd-graphics). |
| 04:04.12 | charking_ | It's weird that it just works fine after a few minutes of not working and cutting on and off. |
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| 04:26.59 | jim | hi, anyone aware of a bug in okular, where it works fine until you print something, then the user interface freezes, and it can't quit without being killed? |
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| 04:33.02 | jim | ocular bug might be related to this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=740707 |
| 04:33.03 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/740707 in okular (forwarded, upstream, confirmed): «okular freezes when printer is no longer accessible»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-03-04; last modified: 2016-09-17. |
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| 04:34.49 | rue_bed | how do I open an X program as a user other than the one running X |
| 04:35.10 | rue_bed | my understanding is that I have to ssh to the local machine with an option? |
| 04:42.49 | jim | usually ssh -X ip |
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| 04:45.26 | rue_bed | so can I use 127.0.0.1 then ? |
| 04:45.56 | rue_bed | didn't work |
| 04:46.38 | rue_bed | even as the user with the X display open, it wont work |
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| 04:46.49 | rue_bed | why did I upgrade this machine, life was good |
| 04:48.16 | Henry151 | howdy folks. debian 10, i just ran apt upgrade and it hung while upgrading grub-pc. I killed the dpkg process, but now it's saying i need to run dpkg --configure -a, and when i do so, it hangs on "installing grup-pc for i386-pc platform" |
| 04:48.49 | Henry151 | any guidance? much appreciated in advance |
| 04:48.57 | rue_bed | try apt-get remove grub-pc first ? |
| 04:49.12 | rue_bed | just dont reboot it in between |
| 04:49.31 | rue_bed | even if you do tho, I think its still all in the boot sector |
| 04:49.41 | Henry151 | aha ok. it is an OVH bare metal instance so i don't usually reboot it at all |
| 04:50.06 | rue_bed | hmm |
| 04:50.44 | Henry151 | apt-get remove grub-pc is happening now... looks to be working |
| 04:50.55 | rue_bed | then you can install it again |
| 04:51.09 | rue_bed | sometimes it seems you have to pull a package out to get it back in |
| 04:51.30 | rue_bed | lilo is better anyhow |
| 04:52.52 | rue_bed | grub was for all the cryers who said they wanted to install windows and linux on the same computer, and they never booted linux anyhow, so it was totally moot |
| 04:52.54 | Henry151 | one of my earliest memories of a painful linux-related experience involved screwing up grub and losing access to my system entirely... every time i see the word grub i get a little ptsd flashback |
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| 04:53.42 | dvs | I've had problems with grub but nearly as bad as lilo |
| 04:54.10 | rue_bed | lilo had problems and the error codes would tell you what the problem was |
| 04:54.34 | rue_bed | grub would boot you to a useless propmt that promised to enable you to fix your boot |
| 04:54.39 | rue_bed | and was totally useless |
| 04:55.40 | rue_bed | I also like lilo because there is a easy to access config file that does what you tell it |
| 04:56.22 | rue_bed | its really easy to edit and apply it |
| 04:56.33 | dvs | grub can usually be fixed by booting the Debian install ISO and selecting "Repair GRUB" |
| 04:56.55 | rue_bed | heh |
| 04:58.57 | rue_bed | so, xorg changed something so that only-ever the user who started X can run x apps |
| 04:58.59 | rue_bed | hmmm |
| 04:59.53 | rue_bed | but wtf did they change |
| 04:59.59 | rue_bed | its like its been hard coded out |
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| 05:05.18 | graytron | where does debian buster get its resolution for the system console? i have an Aspeed AST2500 graphics adapter with vga output and I can't get the text on system console to fit my monitor. the text is drawn outside of the visible area |
| 05:06.34 | dvs | graytron: the framebuffer. |
| 05:07.33 | nkuttler | !tell rue_bed about mit-magic-cookie |
| 05:08.55 | graytron | dvs: how do i fit the framebuffer to the monitor display? :D |
| 05:10.40 | dvs | graytron: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/17027/how-to-set-the-resolution-in-text-consoles-troubleshoot-when-any-vga-fail |
| 05:11.24 | graytron | dvs: tried those already |
| 05:11.49 | graytron | except, maybe failed the initramfs step |
| 05:13.10 | dvs | That would be important if your video depends on kernel modules (which it probably does) |
| 05:14.13 | graytron | dvs: thanks. i'll try again |
| 05:14.24 | dvs | ok |
| 05:18.36 | Urk | jcmnaught> I would like to explore deleting a kernel for 4.19, and wondering if this is a good idea? I recall you mentioning during the install that I needed a kernel greater than 5.0 in order to install Debian Linux on my laptop. |
| 05:19.06 | Urk | mcmnaught: I discovered the other kernel when I booted into recovery mode. |
| 05:25.19 | Urk | jmcnaught> jcmnaught> I would like to explore deleting a kernel for 4.19, and wondering if this is a good idea? I recall you mentioning during the install that I needed a kernel greater than 5.0 in order to install Debian Linux on my laptop. Sorry for being redundant. Just realized I typed your name wrong. |
| 05:26.15 | jmcnaught | Urk: I would just leave it, it is not hurting anything. |
| 05:26.56 | Urk | Am I correct that kernel 4.19 can't be used for this installation because my laptop is too new? |
| 05:27.14 | jmcnaught | Urk: one thing I would do though since you installed the kernel from backports manually is "apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64" to make sure it's tracking the kernel from backports for updates. |
| 05:27.47 | jmcnaught | Urk: from what I recall only the wifi card did not work under kernel 4.19. |
| 05:28.53 | Urk | So you recommend installing linux-image-amd64? |
| 05:29.18 | jmcnaught | Urk: I recommend installing the linux-image-amd64 metapackage from buster-backports with that command. |
| 05:29.21 | Urk | I misread, youi want "apt-t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64" |
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| 05:30.26 | Urk | ok. Earlier today I had to fix a problem with xfce. I kept getting an error message indicating I am in kiosk mode. I looked up a solution online, and it involved deleting cache files from two folders. XFCE seems to be working now. |
| 05:32.53 | Urk | jmcnaught> I get a message indicating -- E: The value 'buster-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in sources |
| 05:33.11 | Urk | Doesn't look like it is tracking it. |
| 05:33.29 | jmcnaught | Urk: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 05:33.45 | Urk | my mistake. I mistyped the command by one letter. |
| 05:34.42 | Urk | This is the result after I corrected the command http://paste.debian.net/1188196/ |
| 05:35.16 | jmcnaught | That's good |
| 05:35.29 | Urk | I have some missing firmware messages at bootup. Am I correct that dmesg should be able to see the messages in a file? |
| 05:36.37 | Urk | Is that /var/log? |
| 05:37.16 | jmcnaught | Urk: there is a dmesg command you can run as root. You can also look at /var/log/syslog. Or you can run the journalctl command. |
| 05:38.25 | jmcnaught | Urk: "journalctl -b | grep -i firmware" should show you all log entries containing the word 'firmware' from the current boot |
| 05:40.57 | Urk | Where are the journal messages stored at? I don't see anything in /var/log, but maybe I didn't check far enough. |
| 05:42.04 | jmcnaught | Urk: journal files are stored under /var/log/journal/ but they're not text files so you read them with the journalctl command. |
| 05:42.51 | Urk | I am in /var/log and don't see anything named journal. Ok, I will try the command you mention. |
| 05:43.39 | jmcnaught | Urk: oh yeah, on buster you need to create /var/log/journal if you want a persistent journal, otherwise the journal is kept in memory. See /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian |
| 05:44.32 | Urk | Any harm with creating a persistent journal? |
| 05:44.48 | jmcnaught | No, I like a persistent journal. |
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| 05:44.59 | Urk | so do I. I like to know what is going on. |
| 05:47.40 | MegaCarp | debian 10 xfce (still have gnome installed) with lightDM and arctic greeter (still have gdm installed) - can't seem to get user-specific locale\language selection to get to work - only system-wide by using dpkg-reconfigure locales. i've appended to ~/.bashrc "export LANG=en_US.utf8" but it didn't help. thoughts? |
| 05:49.20 | Urk | Something is wrong with my file system. I open up my home folder and there is nothing there -- no desktop, no downloads, no documents, no nothing. |
| 05:53.49 | Urk | Well, its getting late. I will continue this tomorrow. |
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| 06:29.57 | H-var | wow, someone got really salty that I touched the saint topic of linux - anime |
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| 08:30.02 | CANFULLY | Hey i pressed e at boot. What do i type in to load multi user console |
| 08:30.48 | CANFULLY | after quiet |
| 08:32.32 | CANFULLY | g poppppaaaas unite! |
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| 08:32.59 | jelly | ? |
| 08:33.10 | CANFULLY | hey jelly |
| 08:33.32 | CANFULLY | How do i load cli? |
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| 08:39.35 | terr | Test |
| 08:39.41 | jelly | !nodm |
| 08:39.41 | dpkg | In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (https://github.com/spanezz/nodm). |
| 08:39.51 | jelly | CANFULLY, that thing? |
| 08:41.00 | jelly | CANFULLY, you'd probably add systemd.unit=multi-user.target as a boot parameter |
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| 08:44.53 | ratrace | CANFULLY: write that down this time so you don't forget it again :) |
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| 09:31.40 | Smartichoke46 | hello |
| 09:32.12 | Smartichoke46 | 1024 people |
| 09:32.22 | Smartichoke46 | like 1024 is in a bytr |
| 09:32.28 | Smartichoke46 | byte |
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| 09:33.52 | ratrace | I think you confused some metrics there. |
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| 09:38.17 | Smartichoke46 | what do you mean |
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| 09:39.07 | Wulf | Smartichoke46: yep, we've got about 1 KiP here. |
| 09:39.12 | Wulf | kibi-people |
| 09:39.19 | ratrace | there's no 1024 of anything "in a byte". there's 1024 bytes in a kilo-binary byte, aka kibibyte |
| 09:39.26 | pasiz | byte is 256 values |
| 09:39.38 | Smartichoke46 | i know 1024 is windows standard i was just pointing out that the same amount of peaople here as that number |
| 09:39.38 | ratrace | there's 1000 bytes in kilo (SI) byte |
| 09:39.51 | pasiz | 2^8 |
| 09:42.02 | ratrace | 1024 is hardly a "windows standard". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix |
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| 09:49.34 | pasiz | ratrace: also unix counts on gibibytes |
| 09:49.50 | ratrace | define "unix counts" |
| 09:49.52 | pasiz | easier for programming aspect, you can shift on calculations |
| 09:51.12 | pasiz | to divide in assembler, gives understanding why we count in powers of two |
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| 09:52.36 | ratrace | well that covers just a very very very small set of numbers, doesn't it? |
| 09:53.11 | pasiz | what you mean |
| 09:53.40 | pasiz | everything executing code inside computer... |
| 09:53.53 | Waxhead | A quick question about our friend /proc/loadavg , I am on kernel 5.10 (debian testing so apologize if this is slightly off topic) and if I run stress -c 1024 -t 2 on a 8 cpu system I sometimes get a big jolt in the loadavg (1min) and sometimes not. I would not expect this to be as high with only a quick burst of 1024 processes when the rest of the minute the machine is idle. I know it is called load average, but should it not drop about |
| 09:53.53 | Waxhead | as quick as it rise with such a minor burst? |
| 09:55.01 | ratrace | pasiz: in real world numbers are very very very rarely pure powers of 2, so any algorithm relying on them will be very disappointed |
| 09:55.24 | pasiz | ratrace: in binary world, everytime... |
| 09:55.39 | ratrace | sigh |
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| 09:55.45 | Waxhead | ratrace: sometimes you can approximate by multiplying and then shifting = faster since CPU's are slow on dividing. |
| 09:56.06 | pasiz | always, even gcc compiles your division by shifting |
| 09:56.22 | pasiz | and cpu cannot divide |
| 09:56.26 | ratrace | omg |
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| 09:57.31 | ratrace | the core of cryptography is prime numbers so pray tell... explain to me how powers of two fit that paradigm. |
| 09:57.59 | ratrace | yes, you bit shift and you divide or multiply BY 2. what about BY 2.34, or BY 3, or BY 7, or BY 5, ...... |
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| 09:58.17 | ratrace | so you see, relying on power of 2 in operations is very, very rare. and as Waxhead said, you _might_ approximate, but not always. |
| 09:58.37 | ratrace | that's why fixed point arithmetic is useful in some cases, and in many it isn't so you have FPU |
| 09:59.10 | pasiz | ratrace: in kernel code floating point unit is useless |
| 09:59.31 | ratrace | except in crypto part of the kernel code |
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| 10:00.07 | ratrace | this is way offtopic tho. |
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| 10:03.52 | jelly | Waxhead, load average calculations in linux kernels are weird, and only roughly correspond to 1min, 5min, 15min intervals |
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| 10:05.28 | Waxhead | jelly: yeah they appear a bit jelly like (no pun intended). |
| 10:05.37 | ratrace | you totally intended that pun :) |
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| 10:05.48 | Waxhead | is busted.... |
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| 10:06.38 | jelly | /nick Waxbust |
| 10:06.59 | Waxhead | Oh the shame.... |
| 10:07.22 | pasiz | ratrace: so you could find many references to kernel_fpu_begin() in crypto side? |
| 10:07.31 | Waxhead | but joling aside , I was expecting loadavg to drop about as quickly as it rise since the number of processes run is ONLY a quick burst. Is it really that "bad" ? |
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| 10:09.24 | pasiz | Waxhead: if you feed 1024 processes to 8 cores, you are causing burst load of 1024/8 |
| 10:09.55 | pasiz | depending of counting timer cycle you initiate that, you see different results |
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| 10:10.46 | ratrace | that's wrong. the load average does not change with number of cores. it represents the number of "tasks" the kernel is scheduling at any moment, and the loadavg represents the moving average of that |
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| 10:11.39 | ratrace | the only difference that number of cores make is length of execution of a particular job. scheduled on single core they'll serialize and take longer than scheduled on 8 cores where they'd last, assuming linearity of scheduling, 1/8th of that time |
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| 10:13.18 | ml9l | hey i am trying to replace nouveau driver with nvidia through apt install nvidia-drive, it is installed but after restart i get blackscreen, how do you i go about fixing this problem? any hints? |
| 10:13.42 | ratrace | pasiz: yes. unpack the kernel.org tarbal, grep for kernel_fpu_begin and you'll see where they are. avx, avx2, mmx, sse, sha*, poly*, morus*, crc, * ..... |
| 10:13.44 | Waxhead | ml9l: sarch for : blacklist nouveau |
| 10:13.57 | ml9l | i echoed it there |
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| 10:14.45 | ratrace | nouveau is blacklisted automatically if you installed the regulard debian nvidia-driver package |
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| 10:15.14 | ratrace | ml9l: remove the "quiet" from grub's kernel command line and see where it hangs, whether it spits out errors on the console. |
| 10:15.33 | ml9l | i restarted and typed startxfce4 (that is another story but this is the only way it is working right now) and i get: (EE) no screens found |
| 10:15.44 | ratrace | ml9l: alternatively you'd need to boot into text mode and do some analysis of the kernel ringbuffer, Xorg.0.log, modprobing and friends |
| 10:15.50 | ml9l | to my knowledge that is a problem with the Xorg config file, how should i generate it for nvidia? |
| 10:16.04 | Waxhead | ml9l: have you tried to mv your xorg conf away ? |
| 10:16.09 | ratrace | ml9l: in vast majority of cases you do not need any xorg.conf |
| 10:16.16 | Waxhead | ml9l: you usually do not need a xorg.conf anymore |
| 10:16.24 | ratrace | (in fact it can only be detrimental to normal operation) |
| 10:16.27 | ml9l | so why is there "no screens found"? |
| 10:16.39 | ratrace | but if you really need one, nvidia has xorg-config something something tool |
| 10:16.58 | ratrace | nvidia-xconfig methinks |
| 10:17.02 | ml9l | oh i checked the log: failed to open drm device for pci |
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| 10:17.20 | ratrace | ml9l: permissions issues of running start* things from console |
| 10:17.51 | ml9l | how do u know this? this used to be the same problem while X running through lightdm |
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| 10:18.39 | ratrace | I assume so because that's often the issue when starting stuff from the console |
| 10:18.47 | ml9l | anyhow to make the problem easier, the current state is this: i restart and i get the console login instead of lightdm |
| 10:19.29 | ratrace | so debug step by step. check dmesg, has the module loaded properly, any errors mentioned there. then Xorg.0.log. and check permissions on relevant /dev devices |
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| 10:19.59 | ratrace | and indeed make sure you don't have any xorg.conf messing up things for basic debugging |
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| 10:26.10 | ml9l | current dmesg output has nothing about nvidia, nothing. So i went a head and created a new Xorg file just to check its side-effects with "X -configure", ran startxfce4 and here is the result of the X log file: https://termbin.com/i8sc |
| 10:26.44 | ml9l | there is an explicit error saying "failed to open drm device for pci" |
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| 10:29.48 | ratrace | ml9l: that looks like nouveau still loading. which package have you actually installed for nvidia? is it actually installed? it's a DKMS package, did it actually run? check find /lib/modules/ -name '*nvidia*' |
| 10:30.14 | ratrace | if the module exists, and you have nvidia gpu, it _must_ have a mention in dmesg, even if about failed load. did you grep case insensitive? |
| 10:30.20 | ml9l | tesla 450 drivers were suggested, lemme check |
| 10:30.33 | ratrace | "suggested" by what or whom? |
| 10:31.00 | n4dir | is there a way to make gvfsd not start, or just stop it, if uninstalling it is not an option? |
| 10:31.24 | ratrace | n4dir: I think gnome very much hard depends on it |
| 10:31.25 | n4dir | applet.py is a similar problem |
| 10:31.26 | ml9l | nvidia-detect |
| 10:31.38 | n4dir | ratrace: yeah, uninstalling it is not an option, due to dependencies |
| 10:31.39 | ratrace | ml9l: which GPU model it actually is? |
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| 10:31.52 | ml9l | Zotero Geforce 1060 |
| 10:32.13 | ratrace | ml9l: GTX 1060? That's a regular "nvidia-driver" package there methinks |
| 10:32.27 | ratrace | 418 in Stable repos, but I recommend 460 from buster-backports |
| 10:33.32 | ml9l | find /lib/modules/ -name nvidia : /lib/modules/5.9.0-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/nvidia |
| 10:33.37 | ml9l | ethernet? |
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| 10:34.30 | ratrace | yea nvidia has more chipsets than just gpu. but that ain't gpu. I think you ahve the wrong pacakge installed there |
| 10:35.04 | ratrace | ml9l: btw, the find command I listed said -name '*nvidia*' not just -name nvidia |
| 10:36.00 | ml9l | i did use that |
| 10:36.23 | ml9l | here is my dmesg | grep -iF nvidia: termbin.com/6ek4 |
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| 10:37.18 | ratrace | ml9l: which package did you actually install? |
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| 10:39.39 | ml9l | nvidia-driver |
| 10:39.58 | ratrace | ml9l: please pastebin apt-cache policy nvidia-driver |
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| 10:42.47 | ml9l | ratrace: hold on i just removed the xorg.conf file .. it was trying to load the nouveau module after installation |
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| 10:43.25 | ratrace | well duh. we said several times you should remove xorg.conf. a) it's not needed, b) it's likely causing issues |
| 10:44.07 | ratrace | the only reason to have xorg.conf is to override some settings the driver can't autoconfigure, which is rare, and it's then better done via xorg.conf.d snippets |
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| 10:47.00 | ml9l | ok i removed the xorgfile |
| 10:47.06 | ml9l | and ran startx from console |
| 10:47.21 | ml9l | i am in and everything is on very low resolution |
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| 10:48.07 | ratrace | ml9l: pastebin the latest Xorg.0.log pleaes |
| 10:48.41 | ml9l | i cant run nvidia x server settings, hold on i will send the log |
| 10:52.06 | ml9l | i removed the xorg file and now i am able to login through the console with startx, i have no GUI but there are with very low resolution, i guess the nvidia driver is still not working, current Xorg log: termbin.com/1dz6 |
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| 10:54.26 | ratrace | no that's not using the nvidia driver |
| 10:54.38 | ratrace | ml9l: modprobe | grep nvidia shows anything? |
| 10:54.57 | ratrace | sorry, lsmod not modprobe |
| 10:55.46 | ratrace | also dmesg | grep -i nvidia -> please pastebin |
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| 11:03.22 | ml9l | termbin.com/ptss |
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| 11:03.53 | ratrace | "module verification failed: signature and/or required key missing" nope |
| 11:03.54 | n4dir | so i did chmod -x for gvfsd and applet.py. Not very happy or confident with it |
| 11:04.26 | ml9l | ratrace: what does this mean? |
| 11:04.28 | ratrace | ml9l: do you have some EFI secureboot there going on? |
| 11:04.44 | ml9l | should it be on or off? |
| 11:04.45 | ratrace | ml9l: also I suspect this is maybe not a regular debian pacakge |
| 11:04.54 | ratrace | please pastebin apt-cache policy nvidia-driver |
| 11:05.16 | ratrace | if that's not a debian repo you're using, please say so and cut us some wasted time |
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| 11:05.50 | ratrace | ml9l: I'd turn it off, if anything then just to debug. I don't know how well secureboot driver signature is covered in debian |
| 11:05.51 | ml9l | termbin.com/domn |
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| 11:06.30 | ratrace | ml9l: so that's bullseye? you should query for help at |
| 11:06.33 | ratrace | !debian-next |
| 11:06.33 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 11:06.45 | ratrace | but anyway, try turning secure boot off and see how that goes |
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| 11:09.29 | ml9l | i cant find secure boot |
| 11:09.33 | ml9l | in the bios setup |
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| 11:10.27 | ratrace | I don't know then. Are out of tree drivers expected to be signed in bullseye yet? Maybe you should ask on OFTC |
| 11:10.50 | ratrace | I am also not 100% sure _that_ is the issue here but... the nvidia driver is not being used. |
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| 11:11.06 | ratrace | ml9l: you also never confirmed lsmod | grep nvidia |
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| 11:27.57 | ml9l | ratrace: emptz |
| 11:28.16 | ml9l | it seems that i need to disable secure boot like you said but i cant do that in my bios manager |
| 11:28.18 | ratrace | ml9l: welp, the driver isn't loading. |
| 11:28.39 | ml9l | there is a package called "shim" |
| 11:28.41 | ratrace | ml9l: please ask on OFTC if there's anything special to do about nvidia-driver and secureboot in Bullseye |
| 11:29.10 | ml9l | i looked it up yes i have to sign the keys or install shim to add another CA |
| 11:29.32 | ratrace | shrugs, spits and curses EFI secureboot wintel enforced computing |
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| 11:29.50 | ml9l | :) |
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| 11:32.01 | ml9l | there is a package called shim-signed |
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| 11:35.18 | ml9l | ratrace: am gonna try oftc |
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| 11:50.44 | tosted | how to controling default sound device output to HDMI ? every reboot changing to headphones? every disconnection of headphone do not go back to HDMI. |
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| 11:58.52 | ml9l | ratrace: they cant help there |
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| 12:00.02 | shtrb | tosted, you can set that in your DE |
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| 12:00.29 | tosted | there is no option do make dafaults! |
| 12:00.58 | tosted | how to auto set default sound device? |
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| 12:02.34 | shtrb | What DE are you using ? |
| 12:02.46 | tosted | GDM3 |
| 12:04.12 | tosted | must have a "checkboxes" to select Default option! |
| 12:04.36 | tosted | is possible create a one markable checkbox? |
| 12:04.46 | shtrb | :-/ didn't touch gnome for a while sorry |
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| 12:07.23 | EdePopede | the opposite problem here sometimes. never had anything digital, seems there's a digital output on the sound, that's all. right now it's fine, Line Out (plugged in) and Headphones (unplugged). sometimes i unplug the sound system, then it switches to digital. and doesn't return to Line Out. so i have to play the old plug/unplug game, sometimes a few times. |
| 12:08.13 | EdePopede | can't say now if it just doesn't recognize the hardware or some software trying to be "smart". |
| 12:08.19 | shtrb | we may try via pulseaudio config (/etc/pulseaudio/default.pa) by setting "set-default-sink XXXXX" where XXXXX is the name for your HDMI connection |
| 12:09.50 | tosted | i ll try. |
| 12:10.11 | EdePopede | shtrb, it's in pulse/ here, did it change for stable? |
| 12:10.20 | shtrb | sorry typo |
| 12:10.37 | tosted | nano /etc/pulse/default.pa |
| 12:10.49 | tosted | lol |
| 12:11.25 | shtrb | s/nano/vim/g :P |
| 12:11.32 | EdePopede | man 5 pulse-cli-syntax |
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| 12:11.49 | EdePopede | the manpage for the file is not much more than a stub |
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| 12:16.56 | EdePopede | impossible to understand that crap without a tutorial |
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| 12:23.13 | shtrb | It's not that bad |
| 12:23.27 | tosted | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.59 | shtrb | tosted, did it solve your problem ? |
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| 12:24.20 | tosted | worked fine. |
| 12:24.25 | tosted | perfect solution |
| 12:24.30 | shtrb | sarcasm ? |
| 12:25.20 | tosted | step by step to make working fine. maybe someone do not know how to list the NAME device output! |
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| 12:27.48 | EdePopede | well seems my soundcard is "alsa" |
| 12:27.58 | tosted | sarcasm have no space here. a issues solucion center |
| 12:28.17 | shtrb | !next |
| 12:28.17 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 12:28.54 | EdePopede | or is alsa a source? |
| 12:29.01 | tosted | :) |
| 12:29.01 | EdePopede | the manpage is all but clear what is what |
| 12:29.47 | EdePopede | all i know is a have software (mpv) that can open audio files (mp3/ogg) and somehow i get sound out of the speakers |
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| 12:30.36 | EdePopede | connecting everything needed on an analogue synthesizer is far easier than understanding linux sound |
| 12:30.58 | tosted | EdePopede: $ pactl list sinks |
| 12:31.07 | shtrb | Anyone with joycon peered with debian say if the IR interface is exposed somehow and can share where I should be looking for it ? |
| 12:31.08 | EdePopede | yeah, alsa |
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| 12:31.24 | tosted | check third line |
| 12:31.25 | EdePopede | and i thought also was the sound system between ass and pulse |
| 12:31.27 | EdePopede | oss |
| 12:31.34 | ml9l | ratrace: i have figured out that my bios is in legacy mode |
| 12:31.49 | ml9l | so i could ignore the "tainted kernel" message |
| 12:31.56 | EdePopede | 1 sink(s) available. // * index: 54 // name: <alsa_output.pci-0000_00_14.2.analog-stereo> |
| 12:32.41 | tosted | alsa_output.pci-0000_00_14.2.analog-stereo is the NAME |
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| 12:33.19 | tosted | $ sudo nano /etc/pulse/default.pa |
| 12:33.36 | tosted | go to the bottom page! |
| 12:34.04 | shtrb | !vim |
| 12:34.04 | dpkg | Vi IMproved (vim) is an enhanced <vi> editor. Extremely popular clone with syntax highlighting and graphical X interface available. The vim-tiny package no longer installs vim <alternatives> as of version 2:7.2.049-1 (Debian bug #529977). See also <vim refcard>, <cream>, <colored pager>, <vim syntax highlighting>. http://www.vim.org/ http://vim.wikia.com/ #vim on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:34.05 | EdePopede | well i have no sound *card* at all anyway |
| 12:34.20 | shtrb | EdePopede, pa don't see it or you realy don't have it ? |
| 12:34.30 | EdePopede | the only *card* i have is the one for the images. connected to my monitor. |
| 12:34.44 | shtrb | a chip on your motherboard can act as a "card" |
| 12:34.48 | EdePopede | all the cables come out from some connector on the board |
| 12:35.08 | EdePopede | well then they should correctly say sound*chip* and not sound*card* |
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| 12:35.08 | shtrb | EdePopede, AC97 for example is just a tiny chip that just works |
| 12:36.26 | EdePopede | *shrug* as i said i don't understand this mambo jumbo and never did. some day i bought a PC with "AC97" printed on the carton next to a lot of other cryptic names and i think every machine i had since has had one |
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| 12:36.52 | EdePopede | unluckily days are over when they delivered complete plans like with radios and TVs in the past |
| 12:37.04 | EdePopede | so all a customer gets is some advertising bs |
| 12:37.50 | EdePopede | i know 8080 was a cpu made by intel, i know 68k was made by motorola. AC97? no idea. and where it came from and what it can do. something sound. that's all. |
| 12:38.28 | EdePopede | i couldn't even show you where it is on my PC's board |
| 12:38.46 | EdePopede | or how it is connected to whatever it is connected to |
| 12:39.22 | ratrace | ml9l: "tainted" is not a problem, every out of tree kernel module will "taint" the kernel. the problem was signature validation ... so if you booted in legacy mode... you have nvidia working fully now? |
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| 12:39.57 | EdePopede | and that pulse must be somewhere between player and sound chip. alsa? no idea, i thought i had replaced it years ago with pulse when microsoft decided that it's not worth supporting two different sound systems. |
| 12:40.13 | ml9l | ratrace: it is still trying to load nouveau how to avoid that? |
| 12:40.39 | EdePopede | so basically player â pulse â sound card is all i get so far. still may be wrong. |
| 12:40.58 | ratrace | ml9l: nvidia-driver package should've installed a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ , I forgot its name, that basically does blacklist nouveau . chack for that please |
| 12:41.02 | tosted | EdePopede: did work? |
| 12:41.23 | ratrace | ml9l: grep -r blacklist /etc/modprobe.d | grep nouv |
| 12:42.47 | ml9l | termbin.com/pps1 |
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| 12:43.14 | ratrace | ml9l: fuck's wrong with those color outputs ..... do add --color=never to greps please |
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| 12:44.52 | EdePopede | tosted: huh? right now everything is fine, it isn't predictable when it decides to break. but since i had similar issues with my PS2 mouse on my 1st PC i don't really trust consumer hardware quality. |
| 12:44.53 | ml9l | oh damn sorry |
| 12:44.58 | ratrace | ml9l: but I think that last Xorg.0.log you pasted showed that VESA was being used, which would explain low resolution. in that nouveau is blacklisted and nvidia-driver ain't loading due to bad signature |
| 12:46.04 | ml9l | the bad signature shouldnt be relevent because i am in legacy boot mode |
| 12:46.53 | ratrace | ml9l: I think the kernel (in bullseye) enforces signed modules now, regardless of secure boot; the two are related but EFI's not required for signed modules ... AFAIK! |
| 12:47.00 | nifker | why cant ls show me the creation time of a file? |
| 12:47.36 | ratrace | nifker: I think that's added to coreutils in bullseye |
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| 12:50.32 | ml9l | ratrace: does the x server load the driver_ |
| 12:50.37 | ml9l | or it is loaded before? |
| 12:51.51 | ratrace | ml9l: xserver loads _xorg_ specific "drivers" which interact with "kernel module" drivers which are loaded by the kernel/udev on boot when the hardware is probed and gpu detected |
| 12:52.11 | ml9l | ok |
| 12:52.13 | ratrace | so the traditional "drivers" here, hardware drivers, are the kernel modules loaded before xorg is even touched |
| 12:52.22 | ratrace | (After all that console is going out through gpu one way or another) |
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| 12:52.51 | ml9l | i looked at journalctl -xe: "failed to query NVIDIA devices. Please ensure that the nvidia device files exist and the user has read write permissions blablabla |
| 12:53.22 | ratrace | yes, there's no /dev devices because the module is not loaded lsmod | grep nvidia shows nothing, amirite? |
| 12:53.27 | tosted | EdePopede: good! |
| 12:53.36 | ml9l | and most recent Xlog file: "matched nv as autocinfigured driver 1" |
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| 12:54.01 | ratrace | nv is something... else... ancient.... dark... neither nvidia nor nouveau .... methinks... xorg's something something |
| 12:54.35 | ml9l | Well, if nv != nvidia, there is still no nvidia in my X log |
| 12:54.43 | ratrace | ml9l: at this point, xorg is irrelevant if you don't have kernel modules loaded |
| 12:54.55 | ml9l | I got you |
| 12:54.55 | ratrace | nvidia and nvidia-modset |
| 12:55.14 | ratrace | *modeset |
| 12:57.06 | ml9l | so if nvidia is not in /lib/modules |
| 12:57.14 | ml9l | it means it wasnt installed at all |
| 12:57.39 | ml9l | or it means only it is not loaded? |
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| 13:00.21 | ratrace | ml9l: there should be nvidia in modules since the kernel is obviously trying to load it |
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| 13:01.31 | ratrace | ml9l: maybe uh... it's not nvidia.ko ? |
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| 13:02.17 | ml9l | there isnt any >( |
| 13:02.21 | ml9l | :( |
| 13:03.01 | ratrace | ml9l: find /lib/modules/ -type d -name dkms |
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| 13:03.36 | towo` | a simple modinfo nvidia would show the path |
| 13:04.42 | ml9l | i removed everything am going back to nouveau this is pain |
| 13:05.14 | ml9l | i have been suffering since 8 hours, ill just create a new ssd with new debian xfce testing |
| 13:05.20 | ratrace | I wonder if that's something unusually specific here, or there's changes in Bullseye for nvidia-driver |
| 13:05.27 | ml9l | then start out from there continuing our conversation |
| 13:05.39 | ratrace | but I bet it's the former. nvidia-driver, if it's in bullseye repos, means it's usable and works |
| 13:05.44 | ml9l | your words have been very helpful, thank you alot |
| 13:06.17 | ratrace | fwiw, nvidia-drivers work(ed) fine from buster-backports for my 1060 |
| 13:06.35 | ml9l | yes i know |
| 13:06.55 | ratrace | I say work'ED because I stopped using it, it's pcipassthru'd to windows gaming VM, so the host is on intel's gpu only |
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| 13:07.41 | ml9l | ah my screen is not "smooth" with nouveau |
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| 13:08.08 | ml9l | my 144hz monitor is not always synced either (gsync) |
| 13:08.32 | ratrace | linux desktop sucks. having too "fancy" equipment for linux desktop sucks even more |
| 13:08.57 | ratrace | hdpi, hifreq, multiple monitors.... things one would expect are normal in 2021.... don't. work. properly. |
| 13:08.59 | ml9l | it is normal that i spent 8 hours of my working day to fix this problem? i feel stupid how i get along with linux right now |
| 13:09.19 | ratrace | ml9l: I spent whole week getting gpu passhtrough in pitch perfect condition. |
| 13:09.43 | ml9l | and i am still dreaming of becoming linux admin - damn they will throw me out the next day |
| 13:10.00 | ratrace | and yeah, spending X hours or days or weeks even, to fix linux shenanigans is not unusual at all |
| 13:10.10 | ml9l | i guess it is easier to make a live usb next time when debugging comes to "signing modules" level |
| 13:11.07 | tosted | some DCC server here? testing only |
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| 13:11.45 | ml9l | ratrace: this time my system didnt go back to nouveau driver :O |
| 13:11.47 | ml9l | damn |
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| 13:12.33 | ratrace | ml9l: make sure that blacklist is removed, or even better any and all nvidia related packages purged |
| 13:12.35 | qman__ | yeah, it's not unusual - the more you do it, the better you get at it |
| 13:12.50 | ml9l | ahh yes purge nvidia that was the trick ! |
| 13:13.03 | qman__ | but things still come up that take a lot of effort to solve |
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| 13:13.38 | ml9l | i mean up to signing modules myself i dont bother |
| 13:14.03 | ml9l | fixing things, but online solutions says i have to pass self-generated keys to the nvidia installer and even the nvidia installer without apt doesnt work |
| 13:14.30 | ml9l | the question is if modules installed through apt can be signed with mokutil after the installation |
| 13:14.36 | ratrace | is that now a new requirement on bullseye for out of tree modules? |
| 13:15.05 | ml9l | Some folks reported it might be the issue behind my nvidia module problem |
| 13:15.25 | ml9l | I am not sure if this is the reason why the module doesnt work, so i gave up :* |
| 13:15.27 | ml9l | :( |
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| 13:16.32 | ratrace | ml9l: point being, bullseye is in soft freeze. if a package ain't working normally by mere act of apt installing it, it's a major bug |
| 13:16.35 | ml9l | i went to ask in #debian-next and got pretty unfriendly answers |
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| 13:17.26 | ml9l | ratrace: i got you, but my question still stands: have things failed in my case *because* of an unsigned module? |
| 13:18.15 | ratrace | ml9l: I would say yes, based on your paste that shows that (signature failure) as last entry related to "nvidia" module, and it not loading at all |
| 13:18.28 | ratrace | incompatible ABI or other issues would have specific, different error messages |
| 13:19.33 | ratrace | ml9l: you never confirmed if there's a proper dkms kernel module in /lib/modules/ , or by using modinfo as suggested by someone (but I think that works only for loaded modules? not sure) |
| 13:20.35 | ml9l | abi = ? |
| 13:20.56 | ml9l | ratrace: that was too late because i already removed the driver |
| 13:21.12 | ratrace | kernel ABI, the binary interface, the reason one needs to rebuild modules every time the kernel changes |
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| 13:22.05 | ml9l | all i can say there were no nvidia loaded modules and /lib/modules hadnt any either but if the "kms" arguemtn would have made difference? |
| 13:22.47 | ratrace | ml9l: you were looking for "*nvidia*" names. maybe the .ko are differently named, I dunno. hence that find -type d -name dkms would list all paths inside dkms dir, which is where nvidia would reside |
| 13:23.13 | ratrace | I can't check myself either because I purged nvidia modules and don't have past kernel versions in /lib/modules/ I clean them out |
| 13:23.57 | ratrace | (and it won't be listed in dpkg -L because the package is dkms) |
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| 13:30.56 | ml9l | my memory is very unhelpful i am taking notes from our today's conversation |
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| 13:34.55 | ml9l | huh ! am back to my original problem before nvidia vs. nouveau |
| 13:34.57 | ml9l | !!!! |
| 13:34.57 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 13:37.52 | beelzebuzz | :) |
| 13:38.22 | ml9l | ratrace: nouveau is working and now i see lightdm asking for user/pwd i enter the right credintials but it resets itself. otherwise if i go to a tty and enter startx it works ! |
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| 13:41.53 | ratrace | ml9l: logs, clues |
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| 14:03.52 | queip | is there any good OCR? |
| 14:04.12 | queip | tessertact can't load any languages when --oem 0 and without --oem 0, it ignores character whitelist :< |
| 14:04.21 | queip | how to recognize text that I know contains only some small set of characters? |
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| 14:09.25 | queip | why developing software that doesn't suck at doing it's job usually eludes open source community? |
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| 14:13.35 | EdePopede | all software sucks. some software just sucks less. |
| 14:14.44 | ratrace | and that one is usually paid for |
| 14:16.40 | shtrb | queip, it's not that software sucks , it you are using it for the wrong |
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| 14:20.43 | queip | shtrb: Im using OCR to OCR a clearly visible black and white A-Z0-9 text |
| 14:20.59 | queip | and it still reads sometimes "Y" as "*" with no reason at all |
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| 14:21.51 | queip | now, if Debian would package a not broken data files I might tell it that the text is subset of just few characters, but nope |
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| 14:22.45 | themill | queip: I assume that you've filed bugs and attached the necessary patches by now |
| 14:23.00 | queip | themill: internet already mentions tesseract 4.0 has broken language files |
| 14:23.07 | DeaDSouL | Hi |
| 14:23.15 | themill | ah, so definitely Debian's fault then |
| 14:23.22 | queip | old version was fine |
| 14:23.35 | queip | the solution is to use older data files (even with current program) |
| 14:23.47 | shtrb | ,v tesseract |
| 14:23.48 | judd | No package named 'tesseract' was found in amd64. |
| 14:23.54 | queip | ,v tesseract-ocr |
| 14:23.56 | judd | Package: tesseract-ocr on amd64 -- jessie: 3.03.03-1; stretch: 3.04.01-5; stretch-backports: 4.0.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 4.0.0-2; bullseye: 4.1.1-2.1; sid: 4.1.1-2.1 |
| 14:24.30 | shtrb | A bug in stable that had not been fixed, is alarming, please file a bug |
| 14:24.57 | shtrb | queip, does 4.1.1.1-2.1 also have the said bug ? |
| 14:25.26 | queip | shtrb: how to test without frankenstaining my normal system |
| 14:26.19 | ratrace | containers! |
| 14:26.57 | dvs | vm! |
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| 14:28.10 | shtrb | backports ? |
| 14:29.04 | queip | now it ocr'ed an ^L (char 0x0c) ... nice |
| 14:29.41 | queip | when ocr finds non-printable characters in the print it's really something |
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| 14:32.09 | ratrace | last time I did OCR 'twas many years ago. Some professional software on Windows. Still had to go through text and do manual corrections. With paid software. in commercial/professional environment. |
| 14:32.45 | queip | ratrace: yeah but I specially generate this text to be ideal for OCR. if OCR's options to select character set would work as documented |
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| 14:45.21 | Kobaz | having an issue.. getting an email every night from cron: /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat: Exception: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'dependencies' run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1 |
| 14:48.19 | ml9l | ratrace: have a good day and thank you for the help - really appreciated |
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| 15:15.41 | BenW | Hi! I have a weird issue where CPU frequencies drop under load â temperatures are low, governor is "performance". I'm sure it's just a user error, so I don't think a bugreport is the right thing to do just yet. Can you tell me what to try next? |
| 15:16.00 | BenW | (I have lots of details, but I don't want to flood the channel.) |
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| 15:22.33 | jhutchins | BenW: Does it affect performance? |
| 15:23.40 | avu | BenW: with most modern CPUs, it's normal that the maximum frequency can only be reached if not all cores have work currently, so the frequency goes down as work shifts from one/few to many/all cores. Sure that's not what you're seeing? |
| 15:24.05 | BenW | Absolutely. A build process with 12 threads going from 4.3 GHz to 1.8 GHz is slowing things down. |
| 15:24.33 | BenW | I don't have a direct comparison, because being unable to try it with a steady 4.3 GHz is the very problem in the first place. |
| 15:24.54 | avu | BenW: what's the exact model? |
| 15:25.35 | BenW | avu: Intel Core i5 10400 6x 2.90GHz, which claims to run up to 4.3 GHz in "boost mode", which I do see when only 1 or two threads are active. |
| 15:25.54 | BenW | In any case, it shouldn't drop *that* far below 2.9 GHz, even if I misunderstood that completely. |
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| 15:26.04 | avu | BenW: yes, this "boost mode" is what I was talking about, that speed will never be reached when all cores are used at once |
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| 15:26.53 | ogt | can someone check what package the /etc/rc.* files got generated ? esp. the /etc/rc.local .. ? |
| 15:27.40 | BenW | Hmm, that explains why it goes down to 2.9 GHz â but not 1.8 GHz or lower. |
| 15:28.08 | BenW | ogt: Does "dkpg-query -S filename" say anything interesting? |
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| 15:28.16 | ogt | i dont have em |
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| 15:28.26 | ogt | im looking to get the package for the /etc/rc.local one |
| 15:28.50 | BenW | ogt: In that case, the answer seems to be "initscripts": https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=testing&arch=any&mode=filename&searchon=contents&keywords=rc.local |
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| 15:28.51 | jhutchins | ogt: rc.local is a user created file, not from a package. |
| 15:28.57 | avu | ogt: I don't think there is a default rc.local |
| 15:28.59 | ogt | thank you |
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| 15:29.13 | avu | ogt: I don't have one on my Buster systems either |
| 15:29.18 | ogt | its a by system , with only creating it it doesnt run, anyway that package ill see its probably it |
| 15:29.20 | BenW | (Whoops, sorry) |
| 15:29.46 | jhutchins | BenW: Just a WAG, but it's probably a matter of IO wait. Top will give you a little info, atop more. |
| 15:30.08 | ogt | its sysv-rc therefore also |
| 15:30.17 | ogt | thanks anyway, good day |
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| 15:32.02 | BenW | jhutchins: Would that also affect the actual CPU frequency? "linux-cpupower frequency-info" shows low frequencies, as well as the cpu-frequency xfce4-panel plugin. |
| 15:33.03 | avu | BenW: yes, if there is no more work to do for your CPU because it's waiting on IO, it might lower its frequency |
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| 15:40.03 | BenW | "stress -c 12" (because I have 6 cores with hyperthreading) makes the frequency rather stable at 2,9 GHz or just shy of it. |
| 15:40.31 | BenW | I guess you're right, and the low frequencies are due to some kind of IO o.O |
| 15:41.17 | BenW | I don't understand why, but I guess there's nothing I can do about it. Oh well. |
| 15:41.17 | BenW | Thank you, avu! |
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| 15:47.00 | avu | BenW: there might be something you can do about it now that you have a better idea where the bottleneck really is, jhutchins suggested some tools for you to find out |
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| 15:51.12 | BenW | I'm not sure how "top" can help me, and atop ⦠hmm, that's a lot of numbers. |
| 15:52.11 | BenW | As expected, it shows 92-98% "user" for each of the 12 cores. How can I distinguish between "actually computing" time and "waiting on memory bus" time? |
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| 17:29.08 | rue_bed | so, xorg changed something so that only-ever the user who started X can run x apps |
| 17:29.28 | rue_bed | xhost + doesn't work anymore |
| 17:29.31 | rue_bed | its like its been hard coded out |
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| 17:36.48 | jhutchins | ,v roundcube |
| 17:36.49 | judd | Package: roundcube on amd64 -- stretch-proposed-updates: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-4+deb9u5; stretch-security: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-4+deb9u5; stretch: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-4+deb9u6; buster: 1.3.16+dfsg.1-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 1.3.16+dfsg.1-1~deb10u1; buster-backports: 1.4.11+dfsg.1-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.4.11+dfsg.1-2; sid: 1.4.11+dfsg.1-3 |
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| 17:40.17 | shtrb | rue_bed, in buster ? |
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| 17:42.05 | shtrb | rue_bed, I just tried xhost + , sudo -u newuser kate and hate kate opened on my screen (the user which run X for me is not newuser) |
| 17:45.11 | oxek | rue_bed: you shouldn't be using xhost + anyway. Nothing has changed in debian recently anyway. |
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| 17:45.38 | oxek | it still works as always |
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| 17:57.09 | ratrace | pretty sure nothing changed in buster because I'm using that feature extensively |
| 17:58.16 | ratrace | oxek: what should be used instead of xhost? |
| 17:59.04 | ratrace | or do you mean + alone, like turning of acl checks? |
| 17:59.10 | ratrace | *off |
| 17:59.27 | jhutchins | Anybody know where the setting to always display passwords in keepass2 is? |
| 18:01.32 | jhutchins | BenW: There is a number for "wa" on the cpu line. |
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| 18:01.48 | jhutchins | (I presume we're talking top.) |
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| 18:30.38 | oxek | ratrace: yeah, I mean `xhost +` alone |
| 18:31.10 | oxek | jhutchins: don't know about keepass2, but keepassxc has that option |
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| 18:40.19 | BenW | jhutchins: Thanks, I'll look out for that. It's reading 0.0. |
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| 19:04.30 | jhutchins | I know it has that option, I've got it set on my desktop, but I can't seem to find it on my laptop. |
| 19:04.49 | jhutchins | I've been through all of the menues more than once. |
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| 19:11.05 | alex11 | where are packages 'kept' in debian? |
| 19:11.21 | alex11 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:13.49 | alex11 | it's all in man hier anyway |
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| 19:18.14 | koollman | alex11: packages aren't kept, they are extracted and installed. They are temporarily stored in /var/cache/apt/archives. Unless you mean where they are installed, then yes, /usr, /bin, /lib, and others, as defined in the package |
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| 19:32.51 | mi11k1 | Does anybody know a better way of managing your Google account other than the web interface? Like is there a way to do multiple edits Etc |
| 19:33.11 | mi11k1 | or do i need to spend the next 48 hrs on this? |
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| 19:33.41 | nkuttler | what's an edit? |
| 19:33.58 | abrotman | looks for the Google package in Debian .. |
| 19:36.16 | EdePopede | sounds like a nice project for the lockdown era |
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| 19:37.36 | SponiX | mi11k1: there is some Gnome desktop stuff that allows you to login to cloud type accounts ( including google ). BUT, I have never used it, so not sure exactly what all it is capable of |
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| 20:46.35 | Gramcor | does /var/mail autoclean periodically? like logrotate? |
| 20:46.39 | Gramcor | or i have to set it up |
| 20:49.48 | Kobaz | it shouldn't |
| 20:50.03 | Kobaz | mail is one of those things there's no possible way to set a default cleanup that everyone would like |
| 20:50.38 | cybercrypto | Gramcor: what are you storing in var/mail? standard sendmail 'user mails'? If yes, it will not rotate automatically. |
| 20:51.21 | Gramcor | cybercrypto, i have setup postfix to send mails to root user and also forward to gmail etc |
| 20:51.38 | Gramcor | would like a mechanism to compress rotate and delete mails in /var/mail/root |
| 20:51.42 | cybercrypto | Gramcor: you can setup filesystem quota to avoid 'filling up'. There are many ways to achieve that. You should define exactly what are you trying to achieve. |
| 20:51.52 | Gramcor | https://askubuntu.com/questions/799946/how-to-manage-var-mail-root-file |
| 20:52.12 | Gramcor | would this work in debian? to create a file in /etc/logrotate.d/mail |
| 20:52.23 | Gramcor | this achieves what i want pretty much |
| 20:52.38 | cybercrypto | Gramcor: so you will rotate, even that the user did not read those? |
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| 20:52.47 | Gramcor | yes |
| 20:53.03 | Gramcor | i am forwarding them to my mail as well |
| 20:53.13 | Gramcor | just wanted a backup in /var/mail/root |
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| 20:53.50 | Gramcor | but after lets say 90 days, they most likely be unwanted |
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| 20:54.24 | cybercrypto | Gramcor: so you dont even need to worry... copy the file to another directory and delete it from /var/mail |
| 20:54.29 | Gramcor | i am forwarding mostly system events, or logs |
| 20:55.35 | cybercrypto | Gramcor: I use former pine and mailx to read mails. |
| 20:55.47 | Gramcor | i have installed postfix and mailutils |
| 20:56.10 | Gramcor | by the way how can i read root mails with mailutils? i did "less /var/mail/root" |
| 20:56.10 | cybercrypto | Gramcor: if you want 'rotating contents of the mail file' older than 90 days... than you need to parse it. |
| 20:56.41 | cybercrypto | Gramcor: if you copy your mail file everyday, into another place... you will know that is '1 day of your mail'. |
| 20:57.36 | cybercrypto | Gramcor: than you can remove older than 90. it is the easiest... otherwise you will need to parse it... or try the solutions you are investigating |
| 20:58.18 | cybercrypto | Gramcor: type mailx (it is BSD originals) |
| 20:58.35 | Gramcor | i have gnu-mailutils |
| 20:58.40 | Gramcor | probably the mail command? |
| 20:59.06 | cybercrypto | Gramcor: that should work as well |
| 20:59.40 | Gramcor | cybercrypto, what is the package for bsd mail? |
| 20:59.45 | Gramcor | i found bsd-mailx |
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| 21:00.10 | cybercrypto | Gramcor: have you tried mailx command? install and test. once you read using mailx (or any other cli tool) it will automatically remove the mail from /var/mail and place into your ENV (like home) |
| 21:00.22 | cybercrypto | Gramcor: yes |
| 21:00.52 | Gramcor | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.12 | cybercrypto | Gramcor: you can also redirect your own mail (root) to /dev/null if you need a copy (you have it in google anyway) |
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| 21:01.52 | Urk | Any idea on how to filter errors with the word "firmware" at bootup from a persistent journal log that I created? I ran jounralctl -b -1, and got an error Data from the specified boot (-1) is not available: No such boot ID in journal |
| 21:03.02 | Urk | I then ran just journalctl, but get a very long list, and wondering if I can use the grep command to filter errors with to a file? I'm looking for startup errors that say firmware. I'm on Debian Buster, and created a persistent journal log. |
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| 21:04.24 | cybercrypto | Urk: I got confused.... is not -b 1 instead of -b -1? are you persisting journal storage in journal.conf? |
| 21:06.38 | Urk | cybercrypto> Yesterday I heard from JMC that Buster stores logs in memory so I elected to create a persistent log feeling it would be easier to find what I am looking for. I was told the /var/log is where the persistent logs would be, and that I could find startup errors in that. |
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| 21:07.54 | cybercrypto | Urk: what debian version are you using? |
| 21:08.16 | Urk | What is the difference between journalctl -b -1 and journalctl -b 1 |
| 21:08.53 | cybercrypto | Urk: to persist journald logs, i recommend using the recommended docs: set to Storage:persistent in /etc/systemd/journald.conf |
| 21:09.09 | Urk | cybercrypto> Debian Stable 10.8.9 (Buster). However, Buster isn't officially ready for the Dell XPS 15 7590 so I got a bit of help installing firmware to get it up and running. Getting rid of the firware errors at bootup is two remaining issues that have to be fixed. |
| 21:09.17 | cybercrypto | Urk: only after that, journald will persist logs across boots. |
| 21:09.41 | cybercrypto | Urk: I am afraid you can only see -b 0 (which is current boot, not past ones) |
| 21:11.02 | cybercrypto | Urk: double check that config (journald.conf) Check journald.conf manual and you will find lots of features and parameters that may help you |
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| 21:21.37 | oxek | So this is how debian is made https://0x0.st/-P0c.mp4 |
| 21:21.42 | oxek | I had no idea |
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| 21:29.02 | jhutchins | oxek: +1 |
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| 21:33.45 | Urk | cybercrypto: The following is what displayed on my screen after running cat /etc/systemd/journald.conf http://paste.debian.net/1188331/ |
| 21:33.53 | mi11k1 | mi11k1 |
| 21:33.54 | Urk | I'm not sure what to do next. |
| 21:34.03 | mi11k1 | hi me....lol |
| 21:34.20 | mi11k1 | Urk, wuts yer issue man? |
| 21:34.55 | mi11k1 | nicw hostname |
| 21:35.52 | mi11k1 | root@localhost sais it all to me |
| 21:36.02 | cybercrypto | Urk: If you want to check previous boot messages, you have to set Storage=persistent and restart journald services. |
| 21:36.19 | mi11k1 | is that how to spe;ll pers? |
| 21:36.31 | mi11k1 | nm |
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| 21:37.22 | Urk | cypercrypto: Can this be done with vi or vim? |
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| 21:38.13 | cybercrypto | Urk: It can be done by using any text editor you want, including ed. |
| 21:39.32 | Urk | ed? |
| 21:39.38 | Urk | What do you mean by ed? |
| 21:40.05 | cybercrypto | Urk: type: $ man ed and check the results. |
| 21:40.06 | oxek | Urk: don't mind that, `ed` is just an archaic editor that noone would use nowadays |
| 21:40.14 | mi11k1 | vi if u can figure out how to get out of it |
| 21:40.21 | mi11k1 | without looking it up. |
| 21:40.28 | Urk | ok. Thanks. |
| 21:40.43 | oxek | isn't nano installed by default on debian? |
| 21:40.48 | mi11k1 | yepp |
| 21:40.52 | mi11k1 | same as vi i think |
| 21:41.11 | oxek | nano is probably easier to figure out for newcomers than vi(m) |
| 21:41.25 | mi11k1 | yepp, thats why i dont klnowhow to use vi |
| 21:41.28 | EdePopede | though shalt have no other editor but ed for it is the only real one. |
| 21:41.37 | mi11k1 | i wish i would have no formed the habit |
| 21:41.48 | mi11k1 | vi seems to be more efficient |
| 21:41.56 | mi11k1 | i cant say why, i just know it |
| 21:42.01 | jhutchins | The nice thing about knowing vi is that you will nearly never find a system that doesn't have it, including systems that are partly broken. |
| 21:42.06 | oxek | whenever I open up nano for some reason, I end up with a whole lot of jjjjjjjjkkkkkjh |
| 21:42.18 | mi11k1 | its yer mouse |
| 21:42.44 | mi11k1 | oxek, my mouse caused that |
| 21:42.55 | mi11k1 | or ir |
| 21:42.55 | mi11k1 | or broken keboard |
| 21:43.41 | mi11k1 | oxek, what termoinal? i use terminator |
| 21:44.03 | cybercrypto | EdePopede: I agree. the one and only ed. period. |
| 21:44.05 | mi11k1 | actually does anybody know why sometimes the text disappears in this term? |
| 21:44.29 | mi11k1 | usually after ss session into somewhere |
| 21:44.30 | oxek | it's a bit of a joke, I'm so used to navigating in vim, where you press 'j' and 'k' to move line down & up, that when nano is opened I instinctively press those keys but they are instead written into the file |
| 21:44.41 | mi11k1 | lo;l |
| 21:44.46 | mi11k1 | omg |
| 21:45.14 | mi11k1 | kinda like how i do ctrl alt dlt in vm and reboot thre host |
| 21:45.38 | oxek | a basic knowledge on how to operate vim is probably a good test of something |
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| 21:45.54 | mi11k1 | cause u gotta hit that combo like 10x |
| 21:46.02 | mi11k1 | sorry, i meant virtual machine |
| 21:46.04 | mi11k1 | vm |
| 21:46.24 | oxek | Does Ctrl-Alt-Del even do anything on debian? |
| 21:46.31 | mi11k1 | uhh ya |
| 21:46.39 | oxek | I'm not gonna test it :D |
| 21:46.47 | mi11k1 | scardy |
| 21:48.24 | Urk | Well these are the filtered error messages at bootup that also showed up using journalctl |
| 21:48.37 | Urk | I'm going to look online and see if I can find a file by this name. |
| 21:48.41 | mi11k1 | Urk, wuts yer issue? |
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| 21:49.31 | mi11k1 | when i have systemd issues its usually cause im not booted systemd |
| 21:49.35 | mi11k1 | golly |
| 21:49.44 | Urk | millk1: Trying to get rid of some error messages at bootup. There are other problems that have to be fixed as well, but I'm trying to do one at a time. Other problems include folder series missing from the user: no home, no downloads, no pictures, no documents, etc, etc. |
| 21:50.30 | oxek | that doesn't sound like systemd |
| 21:50.31 | mi11k1 | Urk, haha, live with it. some errors are more warnings |
| 21:50.49 | mi11k1 | if it hangs on boot, i then worry |
| 21:51.16 | mi11k1 | usuallt google will get u straighjt to the answer with a copy paste |
| 21:51.45 | Urk | millk1> There are other performance issues such as XFCE displaying over below the bottom panel, etc. So I don't want to second guess the error is something that has to be addressed. |
| 21:51.56 | oxek | ,info xdg-user-dirs |
| 21:51.57 | judd | Package xdg-user-dirs (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: tool to manage well known user directories. Version: 0.17-2; Size: 52.5k; Installed: 375k; Homepage: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs |
| 21:52.03 | oxek | that's one package you might need |
| 21:52.39 | mi11k1 | oxek, i thought it was headless |
| 21:52.46 | mi11k1 | what desktop u use? |
| 21:52.54 | oxek | xfce |
| 21:53.03 | oxek | but xdg-user-dirs work on headless systems too |
| 21:53.07 | mi11k1 | wanna know a trick? |
| 21:53.09 | oxek | it just sets up the known dirs |
| 21:53.13 | mi11k1 | download MX |
| 21:53.39 | oxek | MX? |
| 21:53.45 | mi11k1 | its a modified debian |
| 21:53.57 | mi11k1 | i use it on anything that has a monitor |
| 21:54.21 | oxek | !mxlinux |
| 21:54.21 | dpkg | MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
| 21:54.27 | oxek | I wanna stay in this channel though :) |
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| 21:54.33 | mi11k1 | im in this channel |
| 21:54.42 | oxek | blasphemy! :) |
| 21:54.47 | mi11k1 | evrytime i need help i just dont mention the MX part.....shhhh |
| 21:54.55 | oxek | heresy! |
| 21:54.57 | jmcnaught | kinda lame |
| 21:55.07 | Gramcor | i am calling the police |
| 21:55.25 | mi11k1 | 911 here |
| 21:55.28 | mi11k1 | 999? |
| 21:55.36 | Gramcor | arrest this man |
| 21:55.47 | EdePopede | 666 may be more efficient |
| 21:55.49 | mi11k1 | for what? i got like 15 debians |
| 21:56.01 | oxek | "debians" |
| 21:56.14 | Gramcor | he threatened my distro |
| 21:56.22 | mi11k1 | 1 ubuntu, 3 windows |
| 21:56.32 | Urk | There is a possible fix https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/hfwsvz/possible_missing_firmware/ |
| 21:56.37 | Gramcor | uses terrorist software also aka windows |
| 21:56.50 | mi11k1 | just for rooting phones |
| 21:56.56 | mi11k1 | and bricking them |
| 21:57.19 | Gramcor | you can root on linux or flash roms etc |
| 21:57.23 | mi11k1 | still good to keep up on it....i have neighbors |
| 21:57.23 | Gramcor | there is heimdall |
| 21:57.40 | mi11k1 | yah, its getting to be a bit more tricky |
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| 21:57.44 | jmcnaught | Urk: can you make a paste of "journalctl -b | grep -i firmware"? |
| 21:57.56 | mi11k1 | sometimes i use a winvm on debian....lol |
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| 21:58.10 | mi11k1 | i know....he needs non-free |
| 21:58.14 | mi11k1 | duhhh |
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| 21:58.39 | mi11k1 | oxek, edit yer sources |
| 21:58.46 | mi11k1 | add non-free and contrib |
| 21:58.56 | oxek | not sure why you're singling me out |
| 21:59.07 | nickgaw | Hi, Is it possible to have a setup where you can run Debian both natively on a dual boot system and from with in a virtual machine so you can just switch between setups? |
| 21:59.20 | mi11k1 | wooaahhh, wutt? |
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| 21:59.41 | mi11k1 | u can only boot 1 native os at a time |
| 21:59.49 | mi11k1 | if thats wut yer getting at |
| 22:00.10 | oxek | nickgaw: yes. You just need to use the debian partition as the storage in your virtual machine |
| 22:00.26 | Urk | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/1188339/ |
| 22:00.38 | nickgaw | yes but I want to be able to run the same system from both natively and in a virtual machine on windows not reinstalling it into a virtual machine is that possible? |
| 22:01.02 | mi11k1 | nickgaw, make an image of the debian system? |
| 22:01.05 | oxek | nickgaw: that's the thing, you don't reinstall it, you just create a new virtual machine, and point the storage to the actual partition |
| 22:01.12 | mi11k1 | like make a backup and restore it to a vm |
| 22:01.28 | mi11k1 | or sumthin like that |
| 22:01.52 | nickgaw | Is doing this safe where I just use the existing partition? |
| 22:02.00 | oxek | nickgaw: I can either boot debian directly on raw hardware, or boot the other OS on that disk and then run that same debian installation in qemu/virtualbox/vmware |
| 22:02.04 | jmcnaught | ,file nvidia/tu117/acr/bl.bin |
| 22:02.08 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 22:02.13 | jmcnaught | ,file nvidia/tu117/acr/bl.bin --release buster-backports |
| 22:02.14 | judd | Search for nvidia/tu117/acr/bl.bin in buster-backports/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/nvidia/tu117/acr/bl.bin |
| 22:02.27 | mi11k1 | lol |
| 22:02.34 | mi11k1 | cause vmware an vbox arent the same |
| 22:02.40 | jmcnaught | Urk: install firmware-misc-nonfree from buster-backports: "apt -t buster-backports install firmware-misc-nonfree" |
| 22:02.54 | oxek | nickgaw: it's safe, as long as you have backups and don't have the partition mounted anywhere else |
| 22:03.28 | mi11k1 | yer gunna do a loopdy loop. haha |
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| 22:03.49 | oxek | mi11k1: I get the feeling you're trolling a bit, aren't you |
| 22:03.51 | HelloShitty | Hello. I have qemu buster version which is 3.1 but I would like to try the version from debian-backports. Can I just install it or is it better to remove the oler version first? I'm on Debia Buster, btw |
| 22:03.54 | Rer | hallo need help |
| 22:04.16 | oxek | HelloShitty: you can just install it |
| 22:04.17 | Rer | Process: 4443 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/dovecot -F (code=exited, status=89) |
| 22:04.26 | jmcnaught | HelloShitty: when you install the newer package from buster-backports it will upgrade the existing package, you don't need to remove anything. |
| 22:04.41 | Urk | jmcnaught> Get a message indicating that firmware-misc-nonfree is already the newest version. |
| 22:04.42 | nickgaw | So if I pointed my Debian installation using a virtualization system in windows 10 pro 64 bits on this dual boot system I could then run Debian natively or from with in windows in a virtual machine could I install the guest tools so when running virtually do file sharing between the guest and the host? |
| 22:04.52 | mi11k1 | oxek, no, still recovering from drone in house issues. |
| 22:05.00 | Urk | I will check the backports, but it looks like it isn't in there -- even though it is a required driver. |
| 22:05.08 | jmcnaught | Urk: what does "apt policy firmware-misc-nonfree" say? |
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| 22:05.12 | mi11k1 | why backports? |
| 22:05.22 | mi11k1 | are u on buster? |
| 22:06.05 | mi11k1 | get nvidia-detect package and it will tell u what to install for nvidia |
| 22:06.23 | HelloShitty | ok, thank you jmcnaught |
| 22:06.31 | mi11k1 | actually. you nedd to learn more about virt |
| 22:06.31 | Rer | mi11k1 can you heko |
| 22:06.32 | Rer | Process: 4443 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/dovecot -F (code=exited, status=89) |
| 22:06.45 | HelloShitty | The thing is that if I run apt update it says all packages are up to date |
| 22:06.54 | Urk | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/1188342/ |
| 22:07.20 | HelloShitty | and I see that stable version has priority 500 while the backports has priority 100 |
| 22:07.35 | jmcnaught | Urk: you have not added buster-backports as a repository? https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 22:07.46 | dvs | HelloShitty: I don't even see a backports |
| 22:07.59 | HelloShitty | So if I force the install with apt install -t buster-backports it will update the stable version? |
| 22:08.06 | mi11k1 | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 22:08.32 | mi11k1 | it will install backports version |
| 22:08.36 | jmcnaught | HelloShitty: yes if you "apt -t buster-backports install foobar" and foobar is already installed it gets upgraded to the buster-backports version. |
| 22:08.45 | HelloShitty | ok, thank you |
| 22:09.20 | fireba11 | hi, my first partition still started at sector 63. that caused issues with the latest grub update. i deleted the raid partition, recreated and and now grub2 is fine. however the new partition is listed as md127 in mdadm, and renaming (and updateing initramfs) doesn't help. any ideas? for now i edited my fstab but ... |
| 22:09.35 | Urk | jmcnaught: My sources.list appears to have backports already http://paste.debian.net/1188343/ |
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| 22:10.36 | jmcnaught | Urk: you are missing contrib and non-free for the buster-backports lines 16-17 |
| 22:11.03 | oxek | Urk: it does have backports, yes. I'd like to point out that you're using 'stable' keyword isntead of 'buster', is that intentional? |
| 22:12.09 | jmcnaught | Urk: oxek is right, using 'stable' instead of the release codeword 'buster' could lead to a surprise upgrade when bullseye gets released as stable. Recommended to use 'buster' in sources.list, not 'stable'. |
| 22:12.50 | oxek | plus the combination of 'stable' and 'buster-backports' strikes me as possibly problematic too, when 'stable' starts pointing to bullseye |
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| 22:13.05 | Rer | ax562: 4443 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/dovecot -F (code=exited, status=89) |
| 22:13.24 | jmcnaught | Urk: your /etc/apt/sources.list file should look like the second example, with the additional two lines for backports: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list |
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| 22:13.58 | ax562 | Rer huh? |
| 22:14.22 | Rer | can you heko dovecot |
| 22:14.25 | Rer | problem |
| 22:14.31 | Rer | mailimap problem |
| 22:14.40 | jmcnaught | Rer: to get any help you will probably need to show more information, such as the complete output of "systemctl status dovecot" and "journalctl -b -u dovecot" (in a paste on https://paste.debian.net) |
| 22:14.40 | Rer | [cant start dovecot |
| 22:15.32 | Rer | https://paste.debian.net/1188346/ |
| 22:15.42 | Rer | jmcnaught |
| 22:15.47 | Rer | https://paste.debian.net/1188346/ |
| 22:15.49 | ax562 | mmm ok |
| 22:16.01 | ax562 | Have you tried rm and re-insatlling |
| 22:16.14 | Rer | yes |
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| 22:16.30 | jmcnaught | Rer: this error is truncated but you should look into it: doveconf: Fatal: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/conf.d/90-plesk-sieve.conf line 30: Unknown setting: ma |
| 22:16.49 | Rer | what must i do ? |
| 22:17.11 | jmcnaught | Rer: correct the error in that file, which does not look to be part of a standard Debian installation. |
| 22:18.53 | Rer | roundcube imap ereror |
| 22:19.11 | Urk | ok I am going to reboot. |
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| 22:23.58 | Urk | jmcnaught> Ok, I have made some changes to the sources.list http://paste.debian.net/1188347/ |
| 22:24.34 | queip | how to force re-reading actual sectors from block device (to test if write as correct against bad sectors / bit rot)? |
| 22:25.13 | jmcnaught | Urk: the last two lines are still missing "contrib non-free" at the end. |
| 22:27.25 | mi11k1 | queip, ive been using diskscan |
| 22:27.53 | mi11k1 | queip, cli tool , i just did sudo -v -v -f /dev/sd |
| 22:28.14 | mi11k1 | i did about 10 drives the last few days. im happy with it |
| 22:29.03 | mi11k1 | jmcnaught, check this out...1 sec. i just found it yeaterday... |
| 22:29.11 | milkt | queip: are you meaning about general bad sector, or specific sector which you have written on? |
| 22:29.36 | queip | milkt: general |
| 22:30.06 | queip | I mean like: rsync -c to copy it; drop_buffers_command ; rync -c to actually re-read it |
| 22:30.59 | mi11k1 | jmcnaught, https://github.com/iredmail/dockerized |
| 22:31.23 | mi11k1 | i meant to try this yesterday.....turnkey linux might have a distro |
| 22:31.46 | mi11k1 | turnkey is all debian , they are pretty good |
| 22:33.19 | queip | I guess echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches - https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt |
| 22:34.31 | oxek | Urk: and the security repo is missing contrib non-free too |
| 22:35.56 | oxek | queip: yes, that's how I drop caches. Usually as `echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches` |
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| 23:13.36 | Urk | jmcnaught: I tried your suggestion, but Debian already recognizes this as installed http://paste.debian.net/1188352/ |
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| 23:15.27 | dvs | ,v firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 23:15.28 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20200918-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20201218-3; sid/non-free: 20210208-3 |
| 23:16.31 | Urk | oxek: Which line do you think is the security line in the following url do you think is the security line that I should be adding? https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list |
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| 23:19.46 | oxek | in your http://paste.debian.net/1188347/ it's line 13 & 14 |
| 23:20.26 | oxek | Urk: feel free to use my sources.list https://0x0.st/-iX1.txt |
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| 23:21.27 | oxek | and if you never build debian packages from sources, then you can remove or comment out the deb-src lines |
| 23:21.36 | oxek | which will speed up your `apt-get update` |
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| 23:27.39 | exquisitehalo | http://kod6ulul5meacjnnnjvlcrqalkeprqy6mybha3vcwsxj7p7ia6w66uid.onion/ |
| 23:28.21 | abrotman | exquisitehalo: Is that a free taco? |
| 23:29.52 | jmcnaught | Urk: firmware-misc-nonfree is 20200918-1~bpo10+1 in buster-backports and contains the file you were getting errors about missing. You will not get it if you do not have "non-free" at the end of your buster-backports line in sources.list. |
| 23:30.23 | Urk | I am trying to save a new sources.list file, but dealing with the readonly feature. |
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| 23:36.14 | dannylee | can i do update in the terminal...just apt-get updates will that work in root.. |
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| 23:37.00 | dannylee | i'm on gnome |
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| 23:46.12 | abrotman | dannylee: yes |
| 23:47.08 | dannylee | that cool |
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| 23:47.57 | dannylee | its only been one month for me with debian |
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| 23:49.24 | HelloShitty | Guys, how o I shutdown a qemu virtual machine? |
| 23:50.00 | HelloShitty | I started a virtual machine with qemu, for an armv7. But it doesn't have any 'poweroff' or 'reboot' or 'halt' bin files to run |
| 23:51.52 | wsky | just send it a signal |
| 23:52.08 | HelloShitty | wsky: pkill ? |
| 23:52.20 | wsky | kill, pkill, yep |
| 23:52.28 | HelloShitty | oki, thanks |
| 23:53.24 | HelloShitty | didn't kill |
| 23:53.26 | HelloShitty | lol |
| 23:53.47 | HelloShitty | psysc0r+ 18326 2.7 7.5 8023044 1228904 pts/10 Sl+ 23:05 1:17 qemu-system-aarch64 -M virt -m 4096 ........ |
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| 23:54.05 | HelloShitty | $ pkill -9 18326 |
| 23:54.14 | HelloShitty | the thing is still running |
| 23:55.56 | HelloShitty | ok, I had to use htop |
| 23:56.04 | HelloShitty | this never works for me with pkill |
| 23:56.07 | HelloShitty | brb |