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| 00:26.51 | dannylee | Debian is a bit faster than fedora...fedora is trying to confide its user to much,,,so i called it quit with fedora...IBM just don't like hackers...Debian emulator is why i switch...the terminals are just better... |
| 00:28.42 | cws | None of that made any sense whatsoever. |
| 00:28.56 | dannylee | ok but Debian must not like youtube or Google...but you take the good with the bad |
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| 00:30.55 | cws | dannylee: Fedora and Debian are far more alike than they are different, as is the case with nearly all Linux distros. If you're experiencing issues with Fedora, the issue is with you, not the software. |
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| 00:34.56 | dannylee | ok the mafia shot me...i'm OK... |
| 00:35.51 | dannylee | they just wanted me to steal for them..no is what i told them |
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| 05:47.39 | budlight | hello |
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| 06:21.24 | rue_bed | oxek xhost + isn't working, |
| 06:21.31 | rue_bed | and I trust my local network |
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| 06:39.04 | Urk | jmcnaught> I am getting an error message after updating my sources.list file http://paste.debian.net/1188373/ |
| 06:39.31 | jelly | Urk, "buster" not "buter" |
| 06:39.41 | jelly | !buster sources.list |
| 06:39.41 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 06:44.34 | Urk | jelly: Thanks. For some reason the readonly keeps coming on. Not sure what I am doing wrong, but it isn't normal/typical |
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| 06:46.05 | diogenes_ | butter :) |
| 06:50.07 | Urk | Would anyone know if there is another way to return the folder structure to the user besides the following script https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs/ I think this is the last, but important tweaks I need to do before using this system. Also, inspite of a phenomenal display, and enormous power, and long battery, the XPS has a bad microphone |
| 06:51.04 | Urk | What I mean by folders is that I have no Documents, Pictures, Downloads, etc. If I type something in the user then it is displayed on the Desktop. |
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| 06:58.56 | Urk | Can my missing folders be repaired with TestDisk? |
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| 07:01.29 | Urk | Its getting late. I will continue this discussion tomorrow. |
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| 07:30.17 | jelly | their filesystem is likely broken, would have been confirmed by looking at dmesg |
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| 07:43.24 | jelly | ,v pdns-recursor |
| 07:43.25 | judd | Package: pdns-recursor on amd64 -- jessie-security: 3.6.2-2+deb8u3; jessie: 3.6.2-2+deb8u4; stretch-security: 4.0.4-1+deb9u3; buster: 4.1.11-1+deb10u1; buster-security: 4.1.11-1+deb10u1; bullseye: 4.4.2-3; sid: 4.4.2-3 |
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| 07:58.57 | isapgswell | hi |
| 07:59.13 | isapgswell | what difference between inteldrmfb and i915drmfb ?? |
| 08:01.25 | isapgswell | and why both have been referenced? |
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| 08:01.36 | isapgswell | i can see dmesg |grep drm |
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| 08:03.46 | jelly | isapgswell, I have never noticed this "i915drmfb" thing before, which kernel |
| 08:06.33 | jelly | if you read moer context instead of just grep, you can notice whether it's the same kernel module or not |
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| 09:08.05 | Foxfir3 | hello. bullseye. fresh install. x260. lacking broadcom drivers (4356). if there som non-free drivers i need to add? |
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| 09:11.39 | ratrace | Foxfir3: possibly, and firmware. which chipset is that exactly, what are the relevant dmesg log entries and lspci -vv output? |
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| 09:14.56 | Foxfir3 | ratrace: brcmf_fw_alloc_request: using brcm/brcmfmac4356-pcie for chip BCM4356/2 |
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| 09:15.45 | ratrace | using.... so package "firmware-brcm80211" is installed? |
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| 09:17.19 | jelly | judd, file brcm/brcmfmac4356-pcie.bin |
| 09:17.24 | judd | Search for brcm/brcmfmac4356-pcie.bin in buster/amd64: firmware-brcm80211: lib/firmware/brcm/brcmfmac4356-pcie.bin |
| 09:18.55 | Foxfir3 | thanks :) |
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| 09:28.23 | tekniq | How can i compile a deb package from a github project that includes a debian folder with control and rules file etc? Wil it resolve dependencies too? |
| 09:32.58 | jelly | tekniq, if it looks like a debian source package tree with debian/rules, you can certainly try. |
| 09:34.18 | ratrace | build dependencies would have to be preinstalled. the pacakge itself defines run time dependencies so installing it with apt should satisfy those (assuming they're satisfiable) |
| 09:34.40 | jelly | tekniq, run "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" from the source and see if it complains about missing build-deps |
| 09:35.24 | jelly | !package recompile |
| 09:35.25 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) apt update; apt install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; apt build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, apt install ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 09:36.06 | jelly | ... starting with step 5 and going back to missing bits of step 2 when needed |
| 09:36.07 | ratrace | hrm, so dpkg-buildpackage is preferred over debuild? |
| 09:36.14 | ratrace | %s/preferred/recommended/ |
| 09:37.09 | tekniq | ok, that will get me started |
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| 09:42.32 | jelly | debuild calls dpkg-buildpackage and is probably a bit nicer |
| 09:42.53 | jelly | but that requires me to remember debuild exists |
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| 09:47.03 | fireba11 | hi, I had to recreate my mdadm raid containing /boot, now it keeps getting detected as md127 (auto-naming) instead of md0, causing issues with mounting it. i checked mdadm.conf and ran update-initramfs but it didn't help. any tips? |
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| 09:47.58 | ratrace | don't mount md, mount by fs UUID |
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| 09:48.07 | tekniq | buildpackage complains no upstream tarbal found. |
| 09:48.13 | ratrace | else use named md: /dev/md/somenamehere instead of numberred /dev/md0 |
| 09:48.18 | ratrace | fireba11: ~ |
| 09:48.24 | ratrace | eh... I meant ^^ |
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| 09:51.22 | tekniq | and can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)' |
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| 09:55.17 | drzacek | hello there |
| 09:55.31 | drzacek | does webbrowsers (chromium in this case) come with own clipboard? |
| 09:56.07 | drzacek | I copied url, tried to paste it to editor running in virtual machine - didn't worked. Pasted it to KATE on host system, copied from there again -> was able to paste in virtual machine |
| 09:56.49 | ratrace | drzacek: there's more than one clipboard in Xorg (assuming Xorg). primary and secondary. they're accessed differently, and some programs sync them |
| 09:57.33 | ratrace | just selecting text versus hitting Ctrl-C, for example, should use different clipboards unless the program forces a sync between them with that Ctrl-C action |
| 09:58.00 | drzacek | ah. so the whole clipboard thing is more complex stuff than it would appear |
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| 09:58.09 | ratrace | similarly for paste, there's Ctrl-V if the program implements it, Ctrl-Shift-V and clicking middle mouse button will use the other clipboard |
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| 09:58.20 | ratrace | I'm never sure which one is "primary" and which one is "secondary" in those cases |
| 09:58.44 | ratrace | (also Ctrl-Ins does the pasting in some programs like terminals) |
| 09:58.58 | drzacek | another question - since I noticed that it can store more than one copied stuff, is there a quick n easy way to "clear" the clipboard, for when something important (like password) was copied and I want it gone from the clipboard? |
| 09:59.47 | milkt | drzacek: try "xclip" or "xsel" package? |
| 10:01.28 | ratrace | drzacek: it can only "store" one item per clipboard, between primary and secondary. so just selecting/copying something else, forgets the previous item |
| 10:01.56 | ratrace | found this that explains it a bit better (and despite the title, it's not gnome specific answer): https://stackoverflow.com/questions/48490382/how-to-clear-both-clipboards-securely-in-gnome-from-python |
| 10:02.08 | milkt | also i think it is shift-insert |
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| 10:02.53 | drzacek | ratrace, oh nice, that's what I have been doing |
| 10:03.14 | fireba11 | ratrace: the original install was debian 5 ;-) the md mounts never got updated to UUID |
| 10:03.19 | drzacek | milkt, looking that up right now |
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| 10:03.49 | milkt | xclip or xsel is just package which provide command to edit or print clipboard |
| 10:03.57 | ratrace | fireba11: the UUID is filesystem's. if you recreated it, you had to mkfs anew, and can then use the new UUID or even give it a label |
| 10:04.25 | fireba11 | ratrace: jup, guess i should manually update that to UUIDs just-in-case |
| 10:04.26 | ratrace | milkt: it's shift+ins, yes, my bad |
| 10:04.54 | ratrace | fireba11: if by "that" you mean fstab? yea |
| 10:05.35 | fireba11 | ratrace: fstab and mdadm.conf probably too |
| 10:07.07 | ratrace | the UUID in mdadm.conf is not filesystem's. it's MDUUID |
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| 10:14.41 | fireba11 | ratrace: created it with mdadm --scan --detail so that should be ok. got the tip to run update-initramfs -u -k all instead of just -u |
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| 10:16.20 | ratrace | fireba11: -k all or no -k has the same effect with -u |
| 10:17.45 | ratrace | fireba11: wait, no, I'm wrong, -u does just the current. my bad. |
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| 10:41.10 | mi11k1 | i have https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/4.3inch_HDMI_LCD_(B) , but i dont have rpi anymore, i havean opi witht the same pinout...pretty sure anyways. been a few years. ive already messed with it, but im lost. 1 sec for diag of opi |
| 10:41.52 | mi11k1 | board diagram, https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fopi-gpio.readthedocs.io%2Fen%2Flatest%2Fapi-documentation.html&psig=AOvVaw16idl1l9ZpOhQpzTcmurmY&ust=1615286488184000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCKDq2pzBoO8CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD |
| 10:42.30 | milkt | i think you are in wrong channel |
| 10:42.37 | mi11k1 | i think its the same,. just the screen doesnt go overtop of the opi, it ends up opposite, but thats besides the p[oint....software wise.....can it workl? |
| 10:42.45 | mi11k1 | its debian |
| 10:43.10 | ratrace | took a while to realize milkt and mi11k1 are two different nicks..... |
| 10:43.11 | mi11k1 | does anybody know overlays and suck on these rthings with buster? |
| 10:43.16 | emx | I have this strange situation in Debian 9 (stretch): I started a docker container that starts mariadb but failed. I checked and corrected the issue. Trying to start mariadb failes for another reason: the port is in use. I didn't install mysql or mariadb in the host system. Further investigation with netstat and ps showed me this: systemd-bus-proxy 5185 0.1 3.9 487260 76068 ? Sl Mar 06 00:04:11 mysqld |
| 10:43.19 | mi11k1 | me too |
| 10:43.29 | emx | How can I stop that process? |
| 10:43.31 | emx | Why is it there? |
| 10:43.48 | mi11k1 | docker ps is clear? |
| 10:43.50 | ksk | emx: do you have another docker mysql container running? check "docker ps" |
| 10:43.51 | emx | Is docker using that proxy? |
| 10:43.55 | wsky | probably a child action of something |
| 10:43.56 | mi11k1 | sudo service mysql stop |
| 10:44.00 | emx | milkt, no running instance |
| 10:44.04 | ratrace | mi11k1: "can it work" .. if the cpu is sporting one of the debian supported ARM arches, I guess it can |
| 10:44.20 | mi11k1 | i already have debian on it, for years... |
| 10:44.33 | emx | milkt, Failed to stop mysql.service: Unit mysql.service not loaded. |
| 10:44.36 | mi11k1 | ratrace, 1 sec |
| 10:44.51 | emx | wsky, which means that I just kill the process and retry? |
| 10:44.52 | ksk | emx: "no running instance" is the answer for "is another docker CT running"? I highly doubt that - since eg the user does not match mysql in your posting |
| 10:44.53 | mi11k1 | emx: nmap localhost |
| 10:44.56 | ksk | strooong indication of docker usage ;) |
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| 10:45.21 | ratrace | docker is a whole different world of hurt where host side process management faceplants |
| 10:45.30 | wsky | emx: you're probably dealing with missconfiguration somewhere or mysql is mandatory for one of your applications |
| 10:45.31 | ratrace | meaning, you'll have to use docker specific commands |
| 10:45.31 | mi11k1 | docker is fun. |
| 10:45.43 | emx | ksk, I configured mariadb to run as my daily user. So "systemd-bus-proxy" is weigh off. |
| 10:45.58 | mi11k1 | ems: what happens when u put docker ps |
| 10:46.00 | wsky | don't kill it, check what's starting mysql and see whether you can configure it to stop using mysql |
| 10:46.08 | ksk | emx: keep the topic on the original problem let us not delve too far into dockerland. |
| 10:46.26 | emx | wsky, There is no system-dependency for mariadb. As I said, in the host system it's not even installed. Only the client. |
| 10:46.36 | mi11k1 | lost case\ |
| 10:46.54 | ratrace | not even sure you can "just kill the process", as it's namespaced |
| 10:46.55 | wsky | well, something is spawning mysql |
| 10:47.06 | ksk | emx: paste to https://paste.debian.net the output of "docker ps; lsof -ni; ps faux | grep mysql" |
| 10:47.13 | mi11k1 | just docker ps |
| 10:47.16 | mi11k1 | nm the extras |
| 10:47.39 | ksk | granted, you kind of already gave use the latter two. |
| 10:47.39 | mi11k1 | that paste is blank as blank |
| 10:48.08 | mi11k1 | haha, nm |
| 10:48.15 | mi11k1 | limnk to pastebiun, haha |
| 10:48.40 | mi11k1 | everybodys names are similar tonight kinda |
| 10:48.51 | mi11k1 | in a not so similar way. |
| 10:49.33 | mi11k1 | squinting i see x k y e m and ratrace. ratrace, you helped me since jessie, lol |
| 10:49.47 | emx | ksk, I guess "(docker ps; lsof -ni; ps faux)|grep mysql" is sufficient? |
| 10:49.52 | emx | here it comes |
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| 10:50.10 | mi11k1 | were readdyy.l lol\ |
| 10:50.19 | mi11k1 | holy smokes |
| 10:50.39 | ksk | remove the () please, they do not belong there :P |
| 10:50.49 | mi11k1 | lol |
| 10:51.11 | emx | ksk, Then I get the output for all my connections that are not relevant for mysql. |
| 10:51.35 | mi11k1 | if u have more than 2 mysqls ....u have yer problem... |
| 10:51.35 | ksk | sice you seem unable to debug this rather simple problem (assuming a little..), I am afraid its needed.. |
| 10:52.06 | mi11k1 | dude, its a 2 sec thing. docker ps? what does it say? |
| 10:52.11 | ratrace | is it time to laugh at docker, now? |
| 10:52.18 | ksk | like, when you tell us "docker ps | grep mysql" is empty, I kind of believe you, and dont need you to nopaste "nothing" ;) |
| 10:52.47 | mi11k1 | ok, just put docker ps\ |
| 10:52.57 | mi11k1 | mariadb is the same |
| 10:53.03 | mi11k1 | they will use the same port |
| 10:53.13 | mi11k1 | you need to expand out of the mysql thing] |
| 10:54.10 | mi11k1 | no \ ..... im wearing batters gloves for some reason |
| 10:54.47 | mi11k1 | cause im waiting patiently for the mofo to come through our cars.. |
| 10:55.22 | mi11k1 | then im going to soak him with water, cause its like -4...and hopefully he doesnt come to kill me at a later time. |
| 10:55.55 | mi11k1 | cams are useless, since wearing a mask is the norm now. |
| 10:58.01 | mi11k1 | is there even a point in running multiple sqls? doesnt 1 do multiple stuff? or its just neater to have multiples? |
| 10:59.28 | mi11k1 | i use it for zoneminder mostly. all i know is it can be a pain, and im pretty sure the docker way to sql is container to container somehow..thats yer issue i bet |
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| 10:59.48 | mi11k1 | theres another container linked, it doesnt need to be running\ |
| 11:01.23 | mi11k1 | it just knows the they will disagree. i seem to remeber something along those lines |
| 11:01.50 | emx | ksk, Investigating "ps faux" was enough for me to find and eliminate the reason. Thanks. |
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| 11:04.35 | buZz | someone is selling a debian fork, without providing sources, is that ok? |
| 11:04.37 | buZz | https://ilinuxos.com/ |
| 11:04.59 | mi11k1 | i gotta see this |
| 11:05.00 | wsky | sounds like a clean gpl violation |
| 11:05.10 | buZz | should i report it somewhere? |
| 11:05.17 | mi11k1 | FREE iLinux OS. FREE to |
| 11:05.22 | wsky | gnu foundation perhaps? |
| 11:05.23 | mi11k1 | so its not free? |
| 11:05.31 | buZz | mi11k1: its free unless you have money :D |
| 11:05.45 | buZz | and its not free, as in there's no sources or any reference to them |
| 11:05.47 | petn-randall | buZz: Source needs to be provided "on request". Did you request it? |
| 11:06.00 | mi11k1 | no, its somebody like me sick of there neighbors piling up windows everyday and them saying "you should sell this." |
| 11:06.02 | wsky | they can sell gnu software but they have to provide sources |
| 11:06.06 | mi11k1 | thats how that happened. |
| 11:06.32 | ksk | emx: it would hurt less having wasted our time if you told us what the issue was. |
| 11:06.39 | buZz | petn-randall: dang, only contact info is a phone nr in greece |
| 11:07.15 | mi11k1 | and you say "dont accept ok or install anything" 12 hrs later......."so, you clicked something?" ..." i did and a guy cam on and said it will cost $400 to fix it " |
| 11:08.14 | ratrace | guys... it's getting awfully offtopic here... |
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| 11:08.31 | petn-randall | Indeed. |
| 11:08.48 | mi11k1 | im just waiting for a prowler right now.. |
| 11:08.56 | mi11k1 | i might be dead soon. |
| 11:09.14 | petn-randall | mi11k1: What? |
| 11:09.38 | mi11k1 | outside. we are getting robbed like everynight |
| 11:10.06 | mi11k1 | my whole street. cant catch him. we all have footage going back months...wearing a mask. |
| 11:10.13 | petn-randall | mi11k1: Ok, this is in no way related to Debian. There are more fitting channels for that. |
| 11:10.16 | petn-randall | !offtopic |
| 11:10.16 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 11:12.26 | mi11k1 | im trying to get this spi screen working, but i cant figure out. i tried to modify this https://github.com/waveshare/LCD-show |
| 11:13.11 | mi11k1 | i did have it working on a rpi runnimng prob stretch 2 years ago. now this is opi with buster |
| 11:14.10 | mi11k1 | same pinout. does anybody know how these overlays work? are they interchangeable ? |
| 11:15.00 | mi11k1 | i modiefied the scrtipt called LCD43-show |
| 11:15.52 | mi11k1 | but the boot directory structure is different and i tried to cp the stuff manually, then thought ....is this even friggin possible. |
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| 11:16.56 | petn-randall | mi11k1: I'd ask in #raspberrypi, there's a good chance other people there have the same screen and are trying to get it to run. |
| 11:17.17 | mi11k1 | true that. ive never been there. |
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| 11:17.45 | mi11k1 | if somebody does know ill give you a terminal to take some swings at it |
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| 11:39.34 | milkt | is there other appropriate channel where i can ask about debian translation? or should i ask here |
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| 11:52.04 | jelly | !l10n |
| 11:52.04 | dpkg | l10n is, like, an abbreviation for localization, which is a long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "L, then 10 more letters, then N", get it? http://wiki.debian.org/L10n http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-$language |
| 11:52.23 | jelly | mailing lists, apparently |
| 11:53.42 | jelly | milkt, it also depends on the subproject. Eg. translations for www.debian.org are managed by the web team in their git / salsa |
| 11:54.25 | milkt | jelly: thank you for link, i have checked debian wiki and relative language wiki page, but seem it is pretty outdated and i still could not get how i should get started |
| 11:56.32 | jelly | milkt, best ask on the relevant mailing list for your language |
| 11:57.25 | milkt | i subscribed mailing list week ago, but when i checked previous mail in history, there weren't much activity for year |
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| 11:58.27 | milkt | and some link of wiki page, japaense specifically, was broken, so i was wondering if there are any additional information i can take a look at before asking it in mailing list |
| 11:59.24 | milkt | i also chcked this wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/News/HowToTranslate |
| 11:59.40 | milkt | but seem i can not access to alioth.debian.org |
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| 12:02.28 | milkt | also is this correct mailing list which i supposed to subscribe: "debian-www@debian.or.jp" ? |
| 12:03.57 | milkt | it says: "we are talking about translation progress of debian project and debian jp project webpage in this mailing list" |
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| 12:10.28 | milkt | i just found debian-japanese mailing list on lists.debian.org, seem it is more active than native one |
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| 12:54.37 | ychaouche | yo debianeros |
| 12:54.48 | ychaouche | I was reading about https://debian-handbook.info/browse/en-US/stable/sect.supervision.html#sect.dpkg-verify |
| 12:55.15 | ychaouche | should this be in a cron ? |
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| 12:56.25 | ychaouche | or are there other software taking care of this kind of checks ? (rkhunter maybe ?) |
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| 12:57.32 | ksk | ychaouche: not too much to be gained from running that on a compromised machine, no? |
| 12:57.54 | ychaouche | that's supposed to prevent compromission |
| 12:58.11 | ksk | no, thats supposed to check if what you have installed matches what is in the repositories. |
| 12:58.30 | ksk | if your machine is infected though, an attacker could have replaced apt/dpkg in a way, it will not tell you about verification errors.. |
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| 12:58.47 | ychaouche | hmm |
| 12:59.07 | ychaouche | I can't think of a scenario where that check would be helpful then |
| 13:00.05 | ychaouche | on the other hand, every bit counts |
| 13:00.44 | ychaouche | I mean, dpkg -V on its own isn't 100% hackerproof, but it adds to the global security ? |
| 13:01.58 | ychaouche | and about the cron job, this seems to be done with AIDE |
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| 13:38.05 | cws | ychaouche: If you're trying to do any form of file or system integrity monitoring, the only way to do that is to gather file contents or checksums, store them off the system in some secure fashion, and then regenerate that same manifest on the suspect machine and compare it to the stored baseline later. |
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| 13:45.54 | hid3 | Greetings. Is there any tool to parse Rust in Debian? I'm looking for something similar as `jq` for FSON |
| 13:46.22 | ychaouche | f is pretty far from j on my keyboard |
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| 13:46.50 | shtrb | ychaouche, don't be evil |
| 13:47.12 | ychaouche | who knows, maybe that's a dvorak layout |
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| 13:50.43 | ksk | hid3: rust is a programming language, not a file format. |
| 13:51.05 | ksk | one sane approach could be "using JSON in rust". |
| 13:51.41 | hid3 | yeah, I know. But I need to parse a file, containing Rust arrays |
| 13:51.57 | hid3 | to be able to extract elements from given arrays and work with them' |
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| 13:52.09 | ksk | do that in rust, then. |
| 13:52.53 | avu | hid3: should be much easier to use this file in a new Rust program and output the arrays in an easily parseable format like JSON than trying to parse the Rust |
| 13:53.21 | ksk | I totally agree with that. |
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| 14:13.47 | ychaouche | discovers hears about suricata for the first time |
| 14:17.31 | jelly | wonders what exactly "rust arrays" are, source code or a weird serialization |
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| 14:19.59 | ratrace | wonder no more! google to the rescue! https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/primitive.array.html |
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| 14:28.43 | ychaouche | wow, that's such a sexy documentation website |
| 14:29.00 | avu | Rust docs are often awesome |
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| 14:29.18 | ychaouche | this is the arch wiki of language docs |
| 14:29.45 | ychaouche | hasn't found its new favorit programming language yet |
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| 14:52.32 | ychaouche | is logcheck a debian project ? |
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| 15:04.24 | jelly | that says very little about the "array in file" storage |
| 15:04.46 | jelly | ych... |
| 15:04.55 | jelly | ,v logcheck |
| 15:04.56 | judd | Package: logcheck on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3.17; stretch: 1.3.18; buster: 1.3.20; bullseye: 1.3.22; sid: 1.3.22 |
| 15:05.14 | jelly | "yes" but possibly it didn't use to be? |
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| 15:07.10 | omarek_ | ratrace: I read about btrfs and it doesn't seem comfy for home use. I will likely just go with (encrypted) ext4. |
| 15:07.38 | omarek_ | btrfs is not resistant to power failures, and they're not uncommon here. |
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| 15:08.02 | omarek_ | More like 'brittle fs'. A number of people got unmountable filesystems. |
| 15:08.17 | omarek_ | You need to set up a backup on another partition either way. |
| 15:08.45 | omarek_ | You don't get automatic error correction / healing unless you have RAID 1. And I don't. |
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| 15:10.49 | omarek_ | I think btrfs offers nice features for sysadmins, but not really anyone else. |
| 15:12.39 | wintergirl | all filesystems are as reliable as your last backup :) |
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| 15:15.09 | ratrace | omarek_: yes btrfs is on a bit of .... sensitive side. but with redundancy, like raid1 at minimum, that turns around and it all becomes very, very robust. |
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| 15:15.43 | omarek_ | ratrace: And I basically need a separate drive running at all times to make raid1, yes? |
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| 15:16.00 | omarek_ | Ideally it should be a twin device. |
| 15:16.03 | ratrace | I use btrfs on my workstation and some production servers, zfs on the backup server and some production servers. I cannot imagine having a non-datachecksummed filesystem on my machines. I value the data too much |
| 15:16.10 | neilthereildeil | jelly: u there? |
| 15:16.22 | neilthereildeil | im trying to resume this migration from partition to LVM |
| 15:16.35 | neilthereildeil | u said uve done it a bunch of times, so i figure ur really good at it! |
| 15:16.45 | ratrace | omarek_: yes, "raid1" on single device is possible but pretty much useless except for corrupt bits here or there |
| 15:16.57 | neilthereildeil | im booted off grml |
| 15:17.00 | omarek_ | ratrace: Are you an admin / devops by trade? I'm getting an impression btrfs might be too big of a detour for a programmer. It's quite complex and there are various options you need to know because they shouldn't be used together. |
| 15:17.00 | cws | neilthereildeil: Don't poke specific people. Ask the channel, and if someone can help and is available/willing, they will. |
| 15:17.27 | ratrace | omarek_: I'm a programmer and sysadmin, professionally, yes. |
| 15:17.46 | ratrace | I do not do devops beyond using git :) |
| 15:17.52 | omarek_ | ratrace: There's the argument that most of data corruption is down to non-ECC memory, and I do have ECC, mobo and ryzen. |
| 15:17.55 | neilthereildeil | i ran vgscan and i see my VG |
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| 15:18.02 | neilthereildeil | but i cannot see it in /dev |
| 15:18.11 | neilthereildeil | how can i ake the VG show up in /dv? |
| 15:18.15 | neilthereildeil | i already ran vgscan |
| 15:18.21 | cws | I tend to avoid filesystems that encourage one to be a storage engineer in order to not "liquidate" your data. |
| 15:18.40 | neilthereildeil | make* /dev* |
| 15:18.42 | ratrace | omarek_: it's not just ECC. drives can have bitflips too. but biggest advantage of datacsum'ed fs comes when a drive starts failing |
| 15:19.23 | omarek_ | ratrace: If I use another drive in a raid1, does it need to be dedicated to just that? For example my sata3 1TB drive and 4TB drives. |
| 15:19.37 | cws | omarek_: Yes. |
| 15:19.39 | ratrace | so you can have 100% perfect no errors, even without ECC RAM, for years, until one drive fails and starts corrupting things. THEN, at that moment, you're thankul that your data csummed filesystem recognizes that and _knows_ which of the multiple copies is the correct one. |
| 15:20.08 | ratrace | omarek_: you can use partitions, so some partitions are used elsewhere. you don't need _whole_ drive for btrfs |
| 15:20.14 | ratrace | (or zfs) |
| 15:20.46 | omarek_ | But can I use a 1TB drive and a 1TB partition on a 4TB drive in raid1? |
| 15:20.59 | ratrace | omarek_: yes |
| 15:21.04 | omarek_ | hmm. |
| 15:21.41 | omarek_ | ratrace: How about the allergy to power failures? I can't prevent them and I don't own an UPS. |
| 15:22.03 | omarek_ | ratrace: Sounds very much like catastrophic data corruption. A whole drive is unmountable. |
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| 15:22.23 | ratrace | btrfs is a bit sensitive to that,y es |
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| 15:22.47 | ratrace | and if you have frequent power failures, which fs to use is the last thing you should do, first thing being getting a proper UPS |
| 15:23.05 | omarek_ | I think I'll just set up a cron job to run md5sum on a bunch of dirs prior to backups etc. |
| 15:23.26 | omarek_ | I mean it's not perfect but it sounds like diminishing returns at this point. |
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| 15:23.43 | ratrace | anyhoo, I've had power failures with btrfs but I always use redundancy, and never had the unmountable FS, but I can see it happen if some very critical metadata gets corrupt, somehow, at the same time on both drives |
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| 15:24.01 | ksk | I have seen battery backed Raids "dying" on power failure - sure it will greatly increase such a thing to happen, but if you have like "many servers", you will see it from time to time (it might also be linux did something stuped in such a case, but who am I to tell..) |
| 15:24.19 | omarek_ | ratrace: Too many anecdotes in a 2020 Hacker News thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22159204 |
| 15:24.22 | ksk | s/increase/decrease the change of/ |
| 15:24.38 | ratrace | omarek_: you can always use ZFS, if you're afraid of BTRFS |
| 15:24.58 | ratrace | hell, you can even do dm-integrity under mdadm raid1, it'll work just fine. |
| 15:25.09 | jelly | neilthereildeil, vgchange -ay |
| 15:26.07 | jelly | neilthereildeil, grml.org intentionally does NOT bring up VGs automatically, it's a rescue/recovery iso and powering up a VG writes to disks |
| 15:26.42 | jelly | and maybe you don't want to write to disks if you're dong forensics, for example |
| 15:27.42 | jelly | neilthereildeil, I _think_ this also brings LVM up, capital S: "Start lvm2" |
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| 15:43.22 | ksk | afaik GRML also tells you this with a "welcome message" or so - its in its FAQ for sure. |
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| 15:55.52 | neilthereildeil | jelly: yep, vgchange worked |
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| 16:04.07 | neilthereildeil | jelly: i have mounted both src and dst |
| 16:04.16 | neilthereildeil | where src is the root partition and dst is the root volume |
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| 16:04.31 | neilthereildeil | i know /boot has to be a partition |
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| 16:04.49 | neilthereildeil | so rather than destroying to 600GB src, ill be using like 50MB for kernels :) |
| 16:04.56 | neilthereildeil | and ill mount it as /boot |
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| 16:06.34 | ratrace | neilthereildeil: not sure if I understood you correctly, but ... 50MB is too small for /boot |
| 16:06.52 | neilthereildeil | ratrace:, not, /boot will actually be 600GB |
| 16:06.55 | neilthereildeil | way overkill |
| 16:07.13 | ratrace | lolwut? |
| 16:07.38 | neilthereildeil | but i dunno how to reduce the partition size and then give the rest of the space to the VG i created for root |
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| 16:09.58 | ratrace | neilthereildeil: you'll have to repartition. which means nuking everything "after" (in sector offset) the new end of your /boot partition |
| 16:10.26 | ratrace | neilthereildeil: btw... considered having /boot on a LV? or just part of rootfs? I think grub should be able to use /boot from a LV, no? |
| 16:10.46 | neilthereildeil | i have too much storage on this server and not enough data, so i dont care about wasting 600GB |
| 16:10.58 | neilthereildeil | i heard /boot has to be a partition, not an LV |
| 16:11.17 | ratrace | neilthereildeil: pretty sure grub can work with /boot off of a LV |
| 16:11.39 | neilthereildeil | i think jelly told me it cant |
| 16:11.41 | TheBigK02 | who has so much storage to waste that he wants to use 600 GB for boot :D |
| 16:11.44 | ratrace | at least according to OfficialLinuxDocum^W Archwiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#LVM |
| 16:12.07 | TheBigK02 | 1G or something like that I would recommend... thats more than enough |
| 16:12.26 | neilthereildeil | in any case, i would rather focus on moving the root aprittion |
| 16:12.39 | neilthereildeil | im following this: https://www.thegeekdiary.com/centos-rhel-converting-an-existing-root-filesystem-to-lvm-partition/ |
| 16:12.47 | neilthereildeil | but last week, we say update-grub hang |
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| 16:12.56 | neilthereildeil | ratrace: u were there, right? |
| 16:13.33 | ratrace | yea |
| 16:13.43 | ratrace | can't remember what the problem was in the end |
| 16:14.25 | neilthereildeil | i ended up getting tired and confused :) |
| 16:14.31 | neilthereildeil | im freash and ready to go now though! |
| 16:14.34 | neilthereildeil | fresh* |
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| 16:15.35 | jelly | neilthereildeil, it can but only grub2 can boot that |
| 16:15.54 | neilthereildeil | so i havent chrooted yet |
| 16:16.01 | neilthereildeil | i just mounted both the src and dst |
| 16:16.07 | neilthereildeil | do you guys understand my goal? |
| 16:16.11 | ratrace | jelly: is there any other.... in 2021 :) on debian :)) |
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| 16:16.23 | neilthereildeil | im trying to migrate from a / partition to a / VG |
| 16:16.30 | neilthereildeil | sry, / LV |
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| 16:16.42 | neilthereildeil | ive already run the rsync command you all gave me |
| 16:17.01 | ratrace | neilthereildeil: yes but I don't understand what's causing you all the trouble. even if you separated /boot, the whole setup should be very straightforward |
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| 16:17.19 | jelly | ratrace, yes, even if they're almost never used, the conservative approach works for syslinux, lilo, grub-legacy |
| 16:17.46 | neilthereildeil | since im repurposing the src 600GB partition as /boot, i just ran "cp -fr /src/boot /src". this brought all the kernels to the root of the /mnt/src partition, so grub can find everything |
| 16:17.55 | n4dir | firefox needs at least a minute to start. Even if i already started it during the running session, it needs a minute again. I started it from a terminal, but there is no output, it only takes long, i also removed ~/.mozilla, the problem is not related to plugins or such it seems |
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| 16:18.26 | neilthereildeil | ther are symlinks in /boot, but i THINK (>) they were copied? |
| 16:18.28 | neilthereildeil | ? |
| 16:18.33 | jelly | neilthereildeil, maube make a smaller /boot, not 600GB? |
| 16:19.01 | neilthereildeil | jelly: that would require me destroying the /mnt/dst LV and the partition in which it resides |
| 16:19.09 | neilthereildeil | i dont care about wasting space |
| 16:19.15 | jelly | why? |
| 16:19.16 | ratrace | n4dir: strace -tf /usr/bin/firefox . where does it hang? |
| 16:19.17 | neilthereildeil | i have a urplus of capacity anyway |
| 16:19.25 | neilthereildeil | i first wanna get this server online |
| 16:19.29 | neilthereildeil | thats MUCH higher priority |
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| 16:19.47 | neilthereildeil | jelly: i think you said there was a certain order for mounting and chroot, right? |
| 16:19.49 | wsky | 600GB /boot? fun times |
| 16:20.07 | neilthereildeil | i was following this last wee (https://www.thegeekdiary.com/centos-rhel-converting-an-existing-root-filesystem-to-lvm-partition/) but i think jelly recommedned a different order |
| 16:20.31 | jelly | neilthereildeil, since you're on grml. you might as well use its shortcuts. Mount only your root fs someplace, and go grml-chroot into it |
| 16:20.51 | jelly | that sets up most kernel virtual fs-es |
| 16:20.55 | neilthereildeil | jelly: dst root or src root? |
| 16:21.01 | n4dir | ratrace: i posted to fast, the problem seems to result from my gvfs fiddling: |
| 16:21.03 | n4dir | (firefox-esr:2930): GVFS-WARNING **: 17:20:52.265: Error creating proxy: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gtk.vfs.Daemon: Timeout was reached (g-io-error-quark, 24) |
| 16:21.17 | ratrace | abomination. |
| 16:21.18 | jelly | neilthereildeil, is src relevant? |
| 16:21.34 | jelly | didn't you copy it already |
| 16:21.40 | jelly | dst root. |
| 16:22.05 | neilthereildeil | yea i rsynced src to dst like u guys told me |
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| 16:22.23 | neilthereildeil | ok, so ill grml-chroot dst |
| 16:22.34 | neilthereildeil | should i be mounting any vfs first? |
| 16:22.39 | neilthereildeil | like dev or proc? |
| 16:22.41 | jelly | and if you learned to use rsync, why oh why are you doing cp -fr, whatever that does |
| 16:22.54 | jelly | neilthereildeil, grml-chroot does that for you |
| 16:23.07 | jelly | /proc, /sys etc |
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| 16:23.16 | neilthereildeil | ok chrooted |
| 16:23.27 | neilthereildeil | should i umount src? |
| 16:23.50 | jelly | neilthereildeil, pastebin the output of "df" or "mount" inside chroot |
| 16:24.06 | jelly | then mount /boot |
| 16:24.21 | jelly | (it shouldn't be mounted anywhere else) |
| 16:24.38 | jelly | which filesystem type is your /boot? |
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| 16:25.31 | neilthereildeil |  /boot is ext4 |
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| 16:26.09 | neilthereildeil | ok its mounted |
| 16:26.16 | neilthereildeil | jelly: this machine is not online |
| 16:26.20 | neilthereildeil | i cant pastebin from it |
| 16:26.40 | neilthereildeil | but my LV is mounted on / |
| 16:26.51 | neilthereildeil | and udev is mounted on /dev |
| 16:28.13 | jelly | neilthereildeil, can you take screenshots or put it online? |
| 16:28.25 | neilthereildeil | lemme try |
| 16:28.47 | jelly | well okay. try to grub-install /dev/sda, and run update-grub |
| 16:29.09 | jelly | assuming there's just one disk, and the system boots in BIOS mode not UEFI |
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| 16:30.37 | neilthereildeil | yes, theres 1 disk and its BIOS boot |
| 16:31.27 | neilthereildeil | grub-install worked... |
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| 16:36.15 | n4dir | so if gvfs isn't installed, firefox works fine, if it is installed but not running, it seems to have problem. Weird |
| 16:37.25 | neilthereildeil | jelly: looks like grub-install is hung again like last week |
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| 16:40.34 | neilthereildeil | jelly: https://pasteboard.co/JRGBmHg.jpg |
| 16:40.35 | jelly | neilthereildeil, good, go strace it |
| 16:41.12 | jelly | i don't see /boot mounted there |
| 16:41.24 | jelly | did you mount it from inside the chroot |
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| 16:42.16 | jelly | does that machine have 768GB RAM? |
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| 16:44.00 | neilthereildeil | jelly: yes lol |
| 16:44.16 | neilthereildeil | is it just double the size of /dev? |
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| 16:45.26 | sklei4 | nice RAM |
| 16:45.33 | jelly | yes, kernel uses "half RAM" for default tmpfs size |
| 16:46.15 | mudpi5 | Has anyone been in a situation where you can only log in over SSH? Local logins don't work (produces "Authentication error", as does auth.log), neither do "su" commands once connected through SSH. |
| 16:46.43 | neilthereildeil | jelly: from within the chroot, /swc/sda2 is reportedly mounted on /boot |
| 16:46.46 | jelly | mudpi5, huh, are you able to gain a root shell somehow |
| 16:46.54 | neilthereildeil |  /dev/sda2* |
| 16:47.19 | ratrace | mudpi5: are you _still_ having that same issue from last week's borked update? |
| 16:47.26 | jelly | brb |
| 16:47.40 | mudpi5 | jelly Only with init=/bin/bash |
| 16:47.53 | mudpi5 | ratrace Oh it's a common issue? I updated last night and it was still happening |
| 16:48.13 | ratrace | oh so that wasn't you? |
| 16:48.22 | ratrace | I confused you with someone else then, sorry. |
| 16:48.31 | mudpi5 | no worries |
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| 16:50.21 | neilthereildeil | so i see update-grub hung. grub-probe and grub mkconfig are both hund reading from pipes, as reported by strace |
| 16:51.29 | jhutchins | mudpi5: I presume your successful ssh connections are key auth? |
| 16:51.40 | mudpi5 | jhutchins correct |
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| 17:01.44 | neilthereildeil | ok, i got "update-grub --boot-directory /mnt/dst/boot /dev/sda" to work |
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| 17:22.11 | neilthereildeil | do i have to manually build LVM support into the initrd, or will update-grub do that for me? |
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| 17:24.36 | jelly | neilthereildeil, make sure lvm2 package is installed in the chroot, use update-initramfs to rebuild |
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| 17:25.14 | neilthereildeil | jelly: i tried rebooting and it rebooted to the old root |
| 17:25.25 | neilthereildeil | i have not chrooted |
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| 17:25.59 | greycat | you realize that GRUB reads the grub config file to see what the root file system should be, right? |
| 17:26.00 | neilthereildeil | i did "grub-install --boot-directory /mnt/boot /dev/sda", but im getting an error about not finding a specific UUID |
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| 17:26.25 | jelly | neilthereildeil, everything you do to set up the new root is supposed to be done inside that (ch)root |
| 17:26.48 | jelly | your /boot should be mounted on /boot, inside chroot |
| 17:27.02 | jelly | where it's supposed to be so tools just find it |
| 17:27.05 | neilthereildeil | hmm when i run grub-update from within chroot, it hangs though |
| 17:27.16 | jelly | then you debug why that happens |
| 17:27.35 | neilthereildeil | what grub configuration do i need to modify? |
| 17:27.41 | neilthereildeil | do i have to specify the UUID or something? |
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| 17:29.11 | jelly | if your fstab is correct you shouldn't really need to specify anything |
| 17:30.29 | neilthereildeil | thats fstab: https://pasteboard.co/JRGZU2O.jpg |
| 17:34.06 | jelly | neilthereildeil, well, go ahead and rebuild initramfs, and after update-grub and install-grub ... succeed, things out to work |
| 17:34.39 | jelly | I'm not 100% sure /dev/vg/lv in fstab will trigger lvm detection and inclusion |
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| 17:35.48 | neilthereildeil | it seems like grub.conf is not getting updated... |
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| 17:41.19 | jelly | neilthereildeil, are you doing things inside chroot |
| 17:41.25 | neilthereildeil | yea |
| 17:41.31 | neilthereildeil | thats when it hangs |
| 17:41.42 | jelly | which command is hanging right now |
| 17:41.47 | neilthereildeil | when i do it outside of chroot, it doesnt hang, but doesnt update grub.conf |
| 17:41.50 | neilthereildeil | update-grub hangs |
| 17:42.38 | jelly | find out the pid of that script, strace -ff -p it (from outside chroot is fine) |
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| 17:43.12 | neilthereildeil | i am in the grub shell right now |
| 17:43.31 | neilthereildeil | how can i verify that i can see the /dev/sda from grub? |
| 17:43.41 | neilthereildeil | i wanna tell it to look for the initrd there |
| 17:44.20 | jelly | I'm kind of useless with grub2 help over irc, someone else might be able to help there |
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| 17:44.51 | jelly | and surely your initrd is on a partition, where your /boot is, not the whole disk |
| 17:45.06 | neilthereildeil | yes, sry |
| 17:45.17 | neilthereildeil |  /boot is on /dev/sda2 |
| 17:47.09 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.03 | greycat | if it's doing nothing, why do you care |
| 17:48.05 | jelly | n4dir, while still using Gnome? |
| 17:48.27 | n4dir | jelly: i don't use gnome. It is a dependency of a package i can't or don't want to uninstall |
| 17:48.40 | n4dir | greycat: ressource usage |
| 17:48.47 | greycat | you have no swap? |
| 17:48.48 | jelly | n4dir, does it run as a service or what |
| 17:49.05 | n4dir | i got no idea. That is the biggest part of the problem |
| 17:49.42 | jelly | how do you know it takes up resources |
| 17:49.50 | n4dir | ps_mem.py and the like |
| 17:50.08 | greycat | is that like ps? |
| 17:50.15 | jelly | n4dir, so there's a process? |
| 17:50.19 | greycat | if it's literally doing nothing, just let it be swapped out |
| 17:50.38 | n4dir | jelly: 4 processes. or such |
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| 17:50.55 | n4dir | greycat: it shows the memory usage of whatever is running |
| 17:50.56 | jelly | n4dir, systemctl status PID-of-one-of-those -- what does it say, does it belong to a service |
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| 17:52.20 | n4dir | http://paste.debian.net/1188415/ |
| 17:53.17 | jelly | n4dir, so it's _several_ user services. Mask them all, log out, log back in, and see if your session still works. |
| 17:53.31 | greycat | *chuckle* |
| 17:53.46 | n4dir | ok, thanks. let me do an online search how to mask. again: thanks a lot |
| 17:54.03 | greycat | systemctl mask |
| 17:54.21 | jelly | I guess usb disk and device hotplugging will be broken |
| 17:54.47 | n4dir | yeah, but i don't do such |
| 17:54.48 | greycat | especially Android devices |
| 17:55.57 | jelly | if you never plug in a usb stick, or you don't care it be mounted automatically, then you might be ok |
| 17:56.30 | n4dir | jelly: yup, if at all i plug a stick like twice per year. And then i just mount them manually |
| 17:57.25 | n4dir | masking didn't help. grml ... |
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| 17:58.42 | milkt | n4dir: did you stop it as well? |
| 17:59.05 | jelly | n4dir, did you log off and back on? |
| 17:59.35 | n4dir | jelly: yes, i logged out and back in |
| 17:59.41 | jelly | huh |
| 17:59.47 | greycat | A service that's masked cannot be started, neither by being enabled, nor by socket activation, etc. |
| 17:59.52 | jelly | ok, my bad, I expect that would shut them up |
| 18:00.01 | jelly | expected*, but did not verify |
| 18:00.12 | n4dir | nah, no need for "bad", at least i am able to look a bit closer |
| 18:00.24 | greycat | maybe systemd allows the service to remain running when you log out, and reuses it? I have no idea. |
| 18:00.58 | n4dir | i will reboot later, then have a look. And else i guess the best is to simply let it use the ressources and call it a day. |
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| 18:01.27 | greycat | you still have not identified these mythical "resources" you claim it's hoarding |
| 18:01.40 | milkt | systemctl manual "mask" section say: "--now option may be used to ensure that the units are also stopped" |
| 18:01.47 | n4dir | greycat: what you mean, identified? |
| 18:02.36 | greycat | near as I can tell you're just projecting some sort of OCD "i can see it omg it's there make it go away" without actually identifying there being a *problem* to solve |
| 18:03.06 | n4dir | the problem is that i need all the ressources i can get on this laptop. |
| 18:03.09 | jmcnaught | n4dir: was gvfs-daemon.service one of the ones you masked? What does "systemctl --user status gvfs-daemon.service" report now? Also did you log out of all sessions or only the graphical one? |
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| 18:03.26 | n4dir | jmcnaught: logged out of all sessions |
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| 18:03.59 | cws | n4dir: I think the question here is whether or not its actually taking up resources at all. And you haven't established that. |
| 18:04.37 | ratrace | n4dir: frankly, gnome doesn't fit in the same sentence with "minimise resource usage". |
| 18:04.48 | n4dir | ps_mem.py reports it uses 10 MB of RAM, cws , |
| 18:04.54 | n4dir | ratrace: i don't use gnome |
| 18:05.06 | cws | Ten whole megs, stop the presses, we have an emergency on our hands. |
| 18:05.10 | ratrace | n4dir: oh, then what's starting gvfsd? |
| 18:05.26 | n4dir | well: i don't know. If i knew, i could prevent it |
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| 18:05.43 | neilthereildeil | ive gotten the initrd to run |
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| 18:05.54 | neilthereildeil | but how can i specify the / partition and continue booting? |
| 18:05.58 | neilthereildeil | im in the initrd shell |
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| 18:07.37 | ratrace | n4dir: what about apt-cache rdepends --installed gvfs ? |
| 18:07.57 | n4dir | ratrace: i can't uninstall it. In this case, due to dependencies |
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| 18:08.36 | ratrace | n4dir: which ones, what wants it? |
| 18:08.36 | jmcnaught | n4dir: did you look at the status of the masked unit? |
| 18:09.06 | n4dir | http://paste.debian.net/1188417/ |
| 18:09.29 | n4dir | http://paste.debian.net/1188417/ |
| 18:09.45 | ratrace | whoops |
| 18:10.01 | cws | bonk |
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| 18:12.06 | greycat | I bet it's 10 MB of virtual space, not even RSS. |
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| 18:31.12 | greycat | 13:31 =Sigyn> The ban on n4dir from #debian has been lifted |
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| 18:31.57 | jelly | that's a nice feature |
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| 18:34.24 | neilthereildeil | when my initrd drops me to a shell, i activate the VGs |
| 18:34.42 | neilthereildeil | and do "root=/dev/HPVG/root" |
| 18:34.51 | neilthereildeil | what am i supposed to do after that? |
| 18:34.59 | neilthereildeil | is there a "boot" command in the initrd? |
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| 18:36.05 | neilthereildeil | how else can i got on booting with the parameters i set? |
| 18:36.09 | greycat | are you in a *unix* shell like dash/busybox/bash? if so, that command only sets a shell variable and does nothing with it. |
| 18:36.20 | neilthereildeil | ohh oops |
| 18:36.24 | neilthereildeil | yea its busybo |
| 18:36.25 | neilthereildeil | x |
| 18:36.51 | greycat | you might be mixing up commands meant to be used inside a GRUB interactive thingy, with shell commands |
| 18:37.24 | neilthereildeil | greycat: how can i specify the root device and then go on booting from inside the initrd busybox shell? |
| 18:37.45 | jhutchins | Could that be set in the grub config? Doesn't it have a "root =" setting? |
| 18:38.15 | neilthereildeil | im doing it manually right now to figure out what works, then ill hardcode it later |
| 18:38.31 | greycat | Normally, you would ensure that /boot (the one GRUB is configured to read) is mounted inside your environment, make sure /etc/fstab is correct, and then run update-grub. |
| 18:38.32 | neilthereildeil | jhutchins: i have to activage LVM VGs first |
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| 18:38.50 | neilthereildeil | so i activate VGs from within initrd |
| 18:39.11 | neilthereildeil | once i figure out the right parameters, ill hardcode it etc |
| 18:39.20 | greycat | I have never set up LVM by hand. I have no idea how to do it. |
| 18:39.21 | neilthereildeil | and set it in the configuration |
| 18:39.45 | neilthereildeil | i have the LVM working, but i just need to point root to it from within initrd, and continue booting |
| 18:40.01 | neilthereildeil | so this is more of an initrd command question than an LVM question |
| 18:40.30 | greycat | If it's not "set the mount device correctly in fstab and run update-grub" then I have no idea. |
| 18:40.53 | neilthereildeil | hmm update-grub hangs for me |
| 18:40.55 | jhutchins | greycat: Do you use it? |
| 18:41.09 | greycat | I have LVM running on many systems, yes. The installer made it go. |
| 18:41.17 | jhutchins | Yeah, I've run lots of systems with LVM boot partitions. |
| 18:41.22 | greycat | I have never set it up *by hand* as this person is attempting. |
| 18:41.38 | jhutchins | greycat: So you use what the installer sets up? |
| 18:41.41 | greycat | yes |
| 18:42.17 | jhutchins | I never had to manually "activate" a partition. |
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| 18:43.38 | isapgswell | i am getting inteldrmfb and i915drmfb from dmesg log |
| 18:43.44 | isapgswell | is it strange? |
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| 18:45.46 | jhutchins | Is "laptop" a task or a package? |
| 18:46.09 | jhutchins | isapgswell: Does it work? |
| 18:46.34 | isapgswell | jhutchins laptop |
| 18:46.44 | isapgswell | dual graphics intel + nvidia |
| 18:46.51 | jhutchins | isapgswell: Yes, is it a task or a package? |
| 18:47.26 | jhutchins | Oh, you mean _you're_ on a laptop, which doesn't answer either of my questions. |
| 18:47.49 | isapgswell | jhutchins i think it is related to intel xorg |
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| 18:48.31 | isapgswell | jhutchins i noticed input lag |
| 18:48.58 | isapgswell | jhutchins is there a way to use console without kms |
| 18:49.59 | jhutchins | isapgswell: Yes, boot to multiuser.target. |
| 18:50.22 | jhutchins | isapgswell: Unless you want graphics on the console. |
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| 18:52.35 | jhutchins | isapgswell: kms is not known to cause lag. |
| 18:53.59 | isapgswell | jhutchins my boot is graphical.target |
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| 18:54.04 | jhutchins | isapgswell: Sorry, it's multi-user.target |
| 18:54.20 | jhutchins | isapgswell: So change that. |
| 18:54.40 | isapgswell | jhutchins i cant boot with nomodeset |
| 18:54.54 | isapgswell | jhutchins only live usb |
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| 19:01.22 | jaggz_ | is dist upgrading from stable to testing an awful awful idea? |
| 19:01.34 | jhutchins | isapgswell: grub is grub |
| 19:01.35 | greycat | it's a pretty good time for it |
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| 19:02.40 | greycat | not sure if the libgcc1 issue is fixed yet; see https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBullseye |
| 19:03.13 | jhutchins | jaggz_: It depends. If you're truely interested in finding and reporting or even figuring out bugs, then it's great. If you like tinkering with things and fixing problems. If you just want the computer to be a reliable tool to do some kind of work, it's a bad idea. |
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| 19:03.33 | jaggz_ | i just set up two computers on testing, from fresh install |
| 19:03.47 | jaggz_ | but my many years old system.. its stuff is just too old and it's causing me problems |
| 19:03.52 | jaggz_ | (it's on stable) |
| 19:03.54 | greycat | kinda late to ask whether it's a good idea, then |
| 19:04.13 | jaggz_ | it's the dist-upgrade that I was wondering about -- if it's prone to failure |
| 19:04.20 | jaggz_ | not the state of being in testing |
| 19:04.21 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBullseye |
| 19:04.36 | isapgswell | refind is better than grub? |
| 19:05.49 | jaggz_ | grub was a big step up from cattle, poultry, pork farms, etc. but maybe we should try a vegetarian bootloader and see if the world is a better place |
| 19:06.37 | jaggz_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.05 | isapgswell | jaggz_ thanks |
| 19:07.23 | jaggz_ | sorry |
| 19:07.42 | jaggz_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:10.59 | jhutchins | jaggz_: Well, stable->testing gives you opportunities to test the upgrade process. |
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| 19:12.24 | jaggz_ | I wonder which user dotfiles I should back up.. gonna guess that there are huge cache dirs in some of those |
| 19:12.48 | jaggz_ | ""(e.g. parts of the Mozilla suite, and the GNOME and KDE desktop environments) are known to overwrite existing user settings |
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| 19:15.57 | jhutchins | I keep hearing what sounds like venting, but I don't see any condensate. |
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| 19:23.44 | queip | (cross #bash) how to sum all numbers (floats) in 3rd column in a .csv? I want to use some stadard linux cmd line tools (and bash) |
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| 19:25.50 | sney | that's the kind of question you see in programming homework and then never again in real life, heh |
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| 19:26.19 | jaggz_ | queip, probably some commandline csv parser + gnu datamash |
| 19:28.49 | jaggz_ | really it depends on if you have the complexity of quoted fields or not |
| 19:29.23 | jaggz_ | if not, cut can handle the , separated |
| 19:29.33 | jaggz_ | or tab |
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| 19:30.09 | greycat | In #bash he revealed that the actual input file has ; as separators, and then stopped providing enough details to analyze the problem correctly after that. |
| 19:30.35 | jaggz_ | nice |
| 19:30.37 | greycat | The discussion from everyone else has moved on to how horribly difficult it is to handle arbitrary "CSV" files in real life. |
| 19:30.40 | jaggz_ | thanks greycat :) |
| 19:30.59 | jaggz_ | https://github.com/BurntSushi/xsv |
| 19:31.45 | greycat | (also the floating-point value moved to the 2nd field in the 2nd example, so who knows) |
| 19:33.37 | jaggz_ | years ago I got tired of this stuff and realized I should just write a few simple tools like ~/bin/avg, sum, etc. |
| 19:33.58 | jaggz_ | or maybe just those two. just used perl and was done with it |
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| 19:35.46 | jaggz_ | http://aboutwilson.net/csvgrep |
| 19:36.22 | jaggz_ | and I used that (but haven't in 5+ years) |
| 19:37.56 | jaggz_ | oh it's gone |
| 19:39.00 | jaggz_ | http://wilsonfreitas.github.io/csvgrep/ |
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| 19:40.17 | jaggz_ | lol "# csvgrep - Easy and funny searches on text delimited files" |
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| 19:45.39 | jhutchins | I'd just import them to a spreadsheet. |
| 19:45.49 | queip | greycat: lol I was in WC. yes just text;1234.525;text;text. no quotes, escapes, nothing, text is plain asciinum and space |
| 19:46.12 | greycat | so it's actually in field 2 |
| 19:46.51 | sney | lol asking a question in 2 different channels and then leaving to take a dump for half an hour. true power move |
| 19:47.02 | queip | I will write the file to use any column number if it helps, though I suspect solution for field 2, 3 or 42 will be basically the same |
| 19:47.12 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:47.52 | greycat | "I don't even care enough to give you ONE FUCKING EXAMPLE LINE. I'll just make up random shit that doesn't match the question, but you don't need to worry, I'm smarter than you, and you don't actually matter to me." |
| 19:47.57 | queip | not sure why greycat is trolling by implying different column numbers matter |
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| 19:49.58 | queip | sney: I thought this is async irc protocol, not zoom teleconference |
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| 19:53.16 | ratrace | queip: something like cut -d';' -f2 yourfile.csv | paste -s -d+ - | bc assuming ; for delimiter, and there's no strings with ; in column 1 -f42 for ... 42nd column |
| 19:53.28 | ratrace | I'm sure there's an awk onliner there to be had as well |
| 19:54.25 | greycat | ratrace: awk -F; '{sum += $2} END {print sum}' |
| 19:54.27 | greycat | gah |
| 19:54.30 | greycat | ratrace: awk -F\; '{sum += $2} END {print sum}' |
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| 19:55.35 | ratrace | that's even better .. also assumes no ; funnies in string columns |
| 19:55.35 | queip | greycat: what it will be if it's the same but column number is 3 instead of 2? |
| 19:56.00 | greycat | 14:45 queip> greycat: lol I was in WC. yes just text;1234.525;text;text. no quotes, escapes, nothing, text is plain asciinum and space |
| 19:56.30 | queip | can we just take your example and change $2 into $3? that would be amazing |
| 19:56.37 | ratrace | yes that's how awk works |
| 19:56.47 | ratrace | awk is super turbo powerful |
| 19:56.49 | queip | great |
| 19:56.52 | ratrace | I wish I knew more of it |
| 19:57.10 | greycat | there's an #awk channel if you exceed the basics that we'd use in #bash |
| 19:57.43 | ratrace | btw that -F; does it require \; escaped, or ';' quoted ... I mean, the (bash) shell will likely interpret it first |
| 19:57.55 | ratrace | and oh yes, I'm blind, you did \; escape it |
| 19:58.02 | greycat | typo the first time |
| 19:58.19 | greycat | \; or ';' or ";" will all work |
| 19:58.29 | ratrace | mmmmh-hmm |
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| 20:00.39 | oxek | how likely is it that 'deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster-security main' will be made a valid sources.list line? |
| 20:00.54 | neilthereildeil | jelly: u there? |
| 20:01.04 | oxek | meaning same snew style as 'deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main' for bullseye |
| 20:01.19 | greycat | why would you expect that to happen? |
| 20:02.15 | oxek | greycat: so that we can use the new syntax already, and then just tell people to replace every instance of buster with bullseye in the sources.list when they want to upgrade |
| 20:02.22 | oxek | makes for much simpler instructions |
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| 20:04.33 | greycat | so that's why you *want* it, but why would you *expect* it? |
| 20:05.21 | greycat | no matter how you move the challenge around, at some point, people have to make a nontrivial change to their files, or reinstall fully |
| 20:05.34 | greycat | whether that change is now, or after the bullseye release, it's the same amount of effort |
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| 20:09.52 | oxek | yeah, you're right. I was thinking of having this new format for newly deployed buster installations, which might make it simpler later, but overall it's not that much of a change. |
| 20:10.14 | ratrace | I don't see the point of it, but I'm sure it could be added in a backwards compatible way |
| 20:10.17 | oxek | I'd still bet lots of people are going to forget about it or miss it in the release notes, but that's a different problem. |
| 20:10.37 | oxek | ratrace: if I understand it correctly, it would be just a symlink on the server |
| 20:10.42 | ratrace | buster-security and buster/updates being one and the same repo |
| 20:10.51 | ratrace | oxek: that's why I think it'd be possible |
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| 20:11.17 | ratrace | in fact I'd expect it to be implemented for bullseye, as a transitional thingy maybe |
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| 20:11.36 | ratrace | or else there'd be a lot of confused, unsatisfied users who can't read. |
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| 20:23.57 | oxek | is often a confused, unsatisfied user who can't read |
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| 20:40.55 | Foxfir3 | debian has come a long way. Very nice. but the initial driver setup is a bit of a chore. Turned out to be an easy fix though, using synaptic and setting non-free repo in the sources list. But it sure is a cold bucket of water for the noobsies |
| 20:41.41 | ratrace | Enter Ubuntu.... |
| 20:42.06 | Foxfir3 | ratrace: no thanks. It wasnt THAT cold! |
| 20:43.26 | ratrace | haha |
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| 20:43.45 | ratrace | I mean, Ubuntu entered the stage by solving a lot of those out of the box usability issues |
| 20:44.08 | ratrace | that's really why it became so popular. catered to user needs, rather than political needs. |
| 20:44.30 | apollo13 | and now it is going downhill fast |
| 20:44.41 | Foxfir3 | ratrace: Mark is not keen on paying his taxes |
| 20:45.02 | apollo13 | although I liked it on servers till snap stuff started ./ |
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| 20:49.42 | Foxfir3 | found Debian again after setting up a dumster server with LMDE. Arch, RHEL, obviously been there, including some of the flavours. And with the whole Rocky linux frenzy, i thought why not give good old Debian a shot. |
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| 20:50.59 | Foxfir3 | Linux mint Debian Edition seems nice. Any remarks to that distro? |
| 20:51.53 | EdePopede | it's based on debian at least. |
| 20:52.09 | towo` | and it's the wrong channel here for lmde |
| 20:52.21 | oxek | !lmde |
| 20:52.21 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 20:52.24 | Foxfir3 | wuick question. usermod. That supriced me. Why did i have to run /bin/usermod ? |
| 20:52.34 | ratrace | Mint? The one that didn't enable security repo then found out, "well duh" that most of users were lagging in security patches, so now they're mulling over going full Windows 10 style with mandatory updates? THAT Mint? Yeah, heard of it. :) |
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| 20:53.09 | sney | your usermod issue is probably just this: |
| 20:53.11 | sney | !buster su |
| 20:53.11 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 20:53.12 | ratrace | !tell Foxfir3 about buser su |
| 20:53.14 | Foxfir3 | that was a tender review :D |
| 20:53.21 | oxek | the mandatory upgrades scare me |
| 20:53.55 | EdePopede | they should rename it to Nanny Linux /s |
| 20:54.00 | Foxfir3 | sney: thanks. okay. it makes sense now. |
| 20:54.04 | ratrace | oxek: format C:\, install debian :) |
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| 20:54.59 | ratrace | I typo'd that buster su didn't I |
| 20:55.12 | greycat | seems so, yes |
| 20:55.19 | ratrace | indeed :) |
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| 20:55.24 | greycat | just like Foxfir3 typoed having to type /sbin/usermod |
| 20:55.47 | Foxfir3 | greycat: oh man.. you noticed that :D |
| 20:56.44 | Foxfir3 | okay. So Mint DE is out. will do a debian buster install on the server. |
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| 20:59.26 | Foxfir3 | its like the Arch chan. When chat is a bit slow, just pretend to a Manjaro newbie asking for help. |
| 21:05.50 | Foxfir3 | why the rocky linux frenzy, when we have Debian? if we already have old tried system, with an update around the corner, why hang on to RHEL on the server? |
| 21:06.10 | cws | Third-party app support. |
| 21:06.22 | cws | 10-year support lifecycle. |
| 21:06.28 | greycat | RHEL is even more stable (conservative) than Debian is. Longer support period. |
| 21:06.37 | cws | That, too. |
| 21:06.38 | avu | also, people like to stick with stuff they know |
| 21:06.57 | ratrace | I think Rocky's doomed. between RHEL's new free offering, some users staying with stream, some going oracle, and some going cloud linux' Alma .... |
| 21:06.58 | Foxfir3 | so there is no Debian RHEL alternative? |
| 21:07.24 | ratrace | Foxfir3: it's called "Ubuntu" :) |
| 21:07.51 | Foxfir3 | ratrace: you really want me to buy that Ubuntu sticker :D |
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| 21:09.15 | Foxfir3 | cws: okay. I actually thought Debian was the most conservative, since it takes a decade for a new version to become stable |
| 21:09.54 | cws | Today I learned that 2-3 years was "a decade." |
| 21:10.28 | mspe | more 2 years than 3 |
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| 21:11.34 | mspe | centos 7 has a kernel so old that I didn't manage last weekend to use its systemctl properly as an lxc container under my debian testing |
| 21:11.50 | parabyte | abit off topic but can anyone recommend a good cpu for compiling on, i am looking for something that is on the used market and popular, if anyone got any suggestions im open to them |
| 21:11.56 | EdePopede | unless it is around 2005, don't remember which release it was, but it took forever. |
| 21:13.00 | avu | parabyte: depends a bit on what you are compiling, it might be very well parallizable or not, making many cores either desirable or not |
| 21:13.13 | Foxfir3 | EdePopede: im that old. just looked at the wiki. Debian Sarge was a while ago :D |
| 21:13.25 | parabyte | ah i see avu |
| 21:13.38 | parabyte | im building stuff like openwrt and libreelec distro's often |
| 21:13.59 | parabyte | im guessing people are going to recommend one of those amd's with many cores? |
| 21:14.01 | avu | parabyte: not that it matters too much, I'd personally go with the latest and biggest AMD CPU in my pricerange currently, YMMV |
| 21:14.02 | Foxfir3 | parabyte: threadripper |
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| 21:14.24 | avu | the really big threadrippers might be hard to saturate with most compilation tasks |
| 21:14.34 | parabyte | :O |
| 21:14.40 | avu | you have to be careful to not let IO be the bottleneck |
| 21:14.52 | avu | being able to put all source files and the destination on a RAM disk helps |
| 21:15.17 | parabyte | so pretty much any generation of threadripper cpu is decent choice |
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| 21:15.34 | parabyte | and stupid amounts of ram |
| 21:15.48 | avu | even then, with the big 64 Core thing you have problems saturating with most workloads because IO (also in the form of memory bandwidth) becomes the bottleneck |
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| 21:17.18 | parabyte | avu, i was not aware that these cpu's could compute so fast, iv been using the same i5 laptop for 7 years now and want to build a machine to hide away in the server closet that i can ssh into and build stuff on |
| 21:18.03 | parabyte | iv not really looked into hardware for years, im more of a software person |
| 21:18.14 | parabyte | and embedded guy |
| 21:18.34 | parabyte | thanks for the pointers Foxfir3 and avu really appreciated :) |
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| 21:19.21 | Foxfir3 | Im going install debian on my server now. Intel Atom 250, upgrade to a whopping 2gb ddr2 ram. Havent pinpointed the bottleneck yet |
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| 21:21.21 | n4dir | jelly: i screwed something earlier and then got blocked. Anyway: your idea about systemctl mask worked after reboot. |
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| 21:21.32 | greycat | welcome back |
| 21:21.44 | n4dir | :-) And sorry for the mess i created. |
| 21:22.20 | greycat | 13:01 milkt> systemctl manual "mask" section say: "--now option may be used to ensure that the units are also stopped" |
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| 21:23.31 | n4dir | ah, yeah, i didn't read that i think. So i could have avoided rebooting |
| 21:24.04 | n4dir | thanks for reminding me of that info |
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| 21:48.00 | Nomenclatura | Am I the only one who finds chrome-sandbox 4755 absolutely and utterly unnacceptable? How can people download random binaries and set them root setuid??? Crazy people... craaaaaaaaaaaaazy. |
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| 21:49.55 | sig_9 | are you talking about snap package |
| 21:50.28 | Nomenclatura | snaps appimages and all those programs who build for "Linux" using nvm |
| 21:50.46 | sig_9 | why use those packages? |
| 21:51.13 | Nomenclatura | Indeed. My question is rather rhetorical. |
| 21:51.23 | sig_9 | I see that |
| 21:52.14 | sig_9 | it's just an error that can be fixed |
| 21:52.29 | Nomenclatura | I just can't grasp it how that's became common practice without raising any eyebrows |
| 21:52.30 | sig_9 | but I don't use appimage or snaps |
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| 21:53.15 | Nomenclatura | The fix is setting setuid root. No way I'm giving no program that. Some even suggest enabling insecure flags in kernel |
| 21:55.15 | sig_9 | or run no sandbox |
| 21:55.51 | sig_9 | export DISPLAY=:0.0 && ./crhome --no-sandbox |
| 21:56.17 | jhutchins | Nomenclatura: There are certain development environments where they don't want to adjust the locations and dependencies for all the different distributions. Snaps usually include all of the libraries and binaries, at exactly the desired version, regardless of what system-wide things are. |
| 21:56.25 | sig_9 | did development for chrome-sandbox end a long time ago? |
| 21:56.53 | jhutchins | Especially in development environments where devs always the latest greatest shiny new thing. |
| 22:00.23 | sig_9 | as long as you've downloaded the snap from a safe place and make sure the chrome-sandbox has permission 4755 and is owned by root |
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| 22:03.44 | Nomenclatura | Nope nope nope. Still unnacceptable even if it is from God's git |
| 22:04.21 | sig_9 | ok |
| 22:05.08 | jhutchins | Nomenclatura: You are a user or admin, not a developer. |
| 22:05.46 | Nomenclatura | Maybe I am all of the above |
| 22:07.43 | Nomenclatura | I get your point that there are applications that require specific libs and paths but 1) that can be done without a setuid, 2) It is bad practice in my book. Even if you have binaries. I have used proprietary software under linux before and never been asked for that |
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| 22:14.10 | CommunistWolf | boycott google \o/ |
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| 22:14.26 | frikinz | If its suid on linux kernel, there is a reason. Depends how early it drops privileges. I see its not anymore suid on chromeOS due to their different kernels... |
| 22:17.18 | frikinz | Though I agree I'm quite surprised about that having an suid bit. I hoped having only a few ones. So that's one more where I don't need it actually. |
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| 22:18.22 | frikinz | Is there a tool/script/cron/whatever that cyclically lists suid binaries and sends a mail about it? I rememeber seeing such things but can't remember. |
| 22:19.11 | avu | frikinz: you can just use -perm -4000 with find |
| 22:19.31 | avu | frikinz: so `find / -perm -4000` as root to see them all |
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| 22:20.08 | frikinz | doesn't send mail on new binaries.. I know find thanks :) |
| 22:20.35 | avu | frikinz: well, using the usual tools to construct a diff and produce them as outputs would be trivial? |
| 22:20.41 | ratrace | chrome sandbox is setuid for systems without USERNS. otehrwise it does namespacing |
| 22:20.49 | avu | frikinz: and cronjobs send their output via mail by default? |
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| 22:24.16 | setuid | perks up |
| 22:24.51 | Nomenclatura | ratrace: I don't think I follow. I have a few nspawns running. So, I believe I can namespace. Still my point is, why should we rely on a 3rd party binary to do that? |
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| 22:27.36 | frikinz | grep USER_NS /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 22:28.07 | setuid | $(uname -r) please, backticks should never be used. Ever. |
| 22:28.20 | frikinz | sysctl -a | grep userns |
| 22:29.37 | frikinz | backticks works here :p |
| 22:30.02 | frikinz | + |
| 22:30.30 | ratrace | Nomenclatura: I thought you were talking about chrome's sandbox binary |
| 22:30.37 | setuid | frikinz: Actually, they don't. |
| 22:30.56 | setuid | frikinz: They don't allow you to capture the exit code, stdout, stderr, etc. They're wrong, in every context. Don't use them. |
| 22:31.16 | frikinz | it works perfectly in my example.. |
| 22:32.00 | Nomenclatura | ratrace: yes. They use container commons, rigth? |
| 22:32.19 | Nomenclatura | So. If one works should the other... right? |
| 22:32.29 | ratrace | Nomenclatura: I'm not sure what that is, but the sandboxing setuid on chromium is for systems without userns capabilities |
| 22:32.51 | ratrace | iirc it's compile time option, so it shouldn't be in debian's chromium |
| 22:33.08 | Nomenclatura | ratrace: I believe containerd requires namespaces |
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| 22:35.39 | ratrace | Nomenclatura: they all do, "containers" are really just namespaces on linux. there's nothing else going on there. namespaces, capabilities and seccomp filtering. |
| 22:36.07 | ratrace | anyhoo, the setuid thing from before, I believe debian is replacing those with fcaps wherever possible. for example, ping hasn't been setuid for some time |
| 22:37.31 | Nomenclatura | interesting |
| 22:37.39 | Nomenclatura | Will check on that |
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| 22:50.50 | jhutchins | Has any of the past hour's flood of messages had anything to do with Debian? This is supposed to be a support and troubleshooting channel, not one for ranting about the state of Linux development. Please take it to #debian-offtopic or somewhere else. |
| 22:54.13 | setuid | Lots of spam private messages lately, a few dozen a day, but haven't seen a flood of messages |
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| 22:59.29 | abrotman | jhutchins: the PMs or in channel? |
| 22:59.36 | setuid | PMs |
| 22:59.45 | setuid | er, oops... you meant jh |
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| 23:21.42 | Unit193 | You may wish to use umode +R to prevent unregged users from PM'ing you. |
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| 23:25.50 | setuid | Ah good point |
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| 23:30.00 | jhutchins | abrotman: In channel. |
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