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| 00:23.57 | rabbitnightmare | Â abff I am a sucker for a good bloaty gui like KDE Plasma |
| 00:24.07 | rabbitnightmare | Gnome 40 looks like its gunna be tight |
| 00:26.53 | rabbitnightmare | suppose to be this month, I might compile it and give it a go |
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| 00:36.13 | allenwrench | hi i tried getting debian to work on ASUS hardware but it is stuck at the determining hard drives, I tried other distros like fedora, but they seem to not like the PCI Express Ports... the only distro that fully works is FOSSAPUP64 or Puppy Linux |
| 00:40.36 | sney | allenwrench: "asus hardware" is a very wide category spanning decades, you would need to be a little more specific if you want support |
| 00:40.44 | sney | however, my guess is that your device is too new for the kernel in buster, and you might fare better with bullseye |
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| 00:46.13 | jmcnaught | allenwrench: The Debian installer shows log messages including errors on tty4, did you see anything there about your drives? |
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| 00:53.56 | tiagozacarias | Hello |
| 00:54.06 | tiagozacarias | Hello Peoples, I need help with cups-pdf, I made the settings for cups and cups-pdf almost everything is fine but there are some documents that are interrupted by half of the printing to pdf has anyone ever been to issu? |
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| 00:59.32 | allenwrench | sney, thanks ill check out bullseye |
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| 01:01.13 | dvs | You know a new release is coming when people need to install bullseye more and more |
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| 01:05.54 | petn-randall | There used to be unofficial installer on kmuto.jp (a DD) with backports enabled and a backports kernel. That made installing on new hardware a lot easier. |
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| 01:36.51 | abff | rabbitnightmare: dwm baby, if I wanted fancy ui I'd use xfce ;) |
| 01:37.16 | rabbitnightmare | abff a lot of people like dwm |
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| 01:51.11 | tiagozacarias | hello help |
| 01:51.13 | tiagozacarias | ? |
| 01:51.44 | dvs | !ask |
| 01:51.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 01:55.01 | genr8_ | dvs, when do we get the new release |
| 01:55.09 | genr8_ | last november it was supposed to be march. but its march now |
| 01:55.24 | tiagozacarias | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.33 | dvs | !wwbr |
| 01:55.33 | dpkg | Now Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released "when it's ready." |
| 01:56.02 | genr8_ | there was a webpage once with a timeplan but i forgot it |
| 01:56.04 | sney | I never heard any predictions for a march release. Q3 is much more likely |
| 01:56.21 | sney | you may be thinking of https://release.debian.org/bullseye/freeze_policy.html |
| 01:56.39 | genr8_ | 2021-03-12: Hard Freeze - for key packages and packages without autopkgtests (scheduled) |
| 01:56.42 | genr8_ | ok |
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| 01:58.45 | tiagozacarias | heloo debhelper help ? |
| 01:59.03 | sney | tiagozacarias: is there any more information in /var/log/cups/error_log for the problem documents? |
| 01:59.25 | sney | and what documents fail, are they a certain length or do they contain non-text elements, etc |
| 02:01.38 | tiagozacarias | Hello Sney |
| 02:01.39 | tiagozacarias | cups-pdf-adc-ctb_log:Tue Mar 9 15:45:25 2021 [DEBUG] title successfully retrieved: GP32DC28-job_42 |
| 02:01.39 | tiagozacarias | cups-pdf-adc-ctb_log:Tue Mar 9 15:45:25 2021 [DEBUG] output filename created: /DATA/cups-pdf/adc-ctb/QUEUE/GP32DC28-job_42.pdf |
| 02:01.39 | tiagozacarias | cups-pdf-adc-ctb_log:Tue Mar 9 15:45:25 2021 [DEBUG] ghostscript commandline built: /usr/bin/gs -q -dCompatibilityLevel=1.2 -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -dSAFER -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile="/DATA/cups-pdf/adc-ctb/QUEUE/GP32DC28-job_42.pdf" -dAutoRotatePages=/PageByPage -dAutoFilterColorImages=false -dColorImageFilter=/FlateEncode -dPDFSETTINGS=/prepress -c .setpdfwrite -f /var/spool/cups-pdf/SPOOL/cups2pdf-15603 |
| 02:01.40 | tiagozacarias | cups-pdf-adc-ctb_log:Tue Mar 9 15:45:25 2021 [DEBUG] output file unlinked: /DATA/cups-pdf/adc-ctb/QUEUE/GP32DC28-job_42.pdf |
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| 02:04.05 | dvs | !paste |
| 02:04.05 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 02:04.29 | tiagozacarias | Okay ! |
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| 02:20.18 | sney | tiagozacarias: do not private message people without asking. Keep all questions in the channel. |
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| 03:45.49 | Urchin | I've made a mistake installing a new system |
| 03:46.11 | Urchin | I intended to set a hard drive to be used as /home, but somehow it ended up as /usr |
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| 03:47.08 | Urchin | so my plan is to copy /usr to a temporary directory, unmount and delete /usr and move temporary directory to /usr |
| 03:47.12 | Urchin | should that work? |
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| 03:50.20 | sney | sure. do it from a live environment. |
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| 03:58.54 | genr8_ | yeah its gonna end badly if you do it from the running system |
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| 04:01.29 | Urchin | genr8_: not even start from a running system, actually |
| 04:01.43 | Urchin | reinstalling |
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| 04:01.50 | Urchin | no live environment handy |
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| 04:03.38 | dannylee | ok i having problem compiling with emacs...but with gvim...i set the compiler to gcc...what command do i use with gvim to compile???? |
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| 04:28.15 | abff | the heck is gvim |
| 04:28.59 | sney | vim with a gtk frontend, that they're trying to use like an IDE |
| 04:29.17 | ndorf | :make |
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| 04:41.51 | abff | sney: vim is the best ide |
| 04:42.01 | abff | so I approve |
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| 04:49.21 | Urk | Is anyone running a battery manager from the repos? I'm looking for a program that charges to 90%, and starts charging again around 30%. |
| 04:49.48 | Urk | Kind of like a battery management tool. Supposedly the newer electronics don't have problems, but I keep coming across laptops that do have problems so I am being cautious. |
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| 04:56.18 | jmcnaught | Urk: tlp does that for ThinkPads, maybe it has support for other laptops too. |
| 04:56.32 | Urk | tlp? |
| 04:56.54 | Urk | power saver. |
| 04:57.40 | jmcnaught | "For ThinkPads it provides a unified way to configure charging thresholds and recalibrate the battery for all models which support itâ¦" |
| 04:57.53 | Urk | Is tlp strictly a command line utility? I find no GUI after installing it. |
| 04:58.36 | jmcnaught | Urk: no GUI, "apt show tlp" to read its description. |
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| 05:09.42 | Urk | jmcnaught: tlp is in the repos. What are the recommended settings? There is a preset option, but apparently it is easy to modify. Historically I was told the best battery life was 90/30: charge to 90%, and recharge at 30%. |
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| 05:13.47 | jmcnaught | Urk: did you figure out if tlp supports your laptop? It might only be able to do battery charging thresholds with ThinkPads. I don't use it, though maybe I should. The package has a README.Debian and some man pages. |
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| 05:16.25 | Urk | jmcnaught: Based on the limited commands I have run, tlp will work with my laptop, but only for preconfigured factory settings that tlp has installed. I can't change the charge, and discharge options, and those are apparently reserved for Thinkpad. As a result, the command tlp setcharge doesn't work. However, tlp start, and tlp bat do work, but it is unknown as to what the preconfigured factory settings are. They might be 90/70. |
| 05:17.57 | Urk | jmcnaught> Any idea how to fix the folder option I have? I was left with no folders after an install. A couple of days ago, someone suggest I consider using https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs/ |
| 05:18.44 | jmcnaught | Urk: if the documentation says that battery charging thresholds can only be set for ThinkPads (/usr/share/doc/tlp/README) then I would not expect it to be able to do that with your Dell. |
| 05:19.37 | Urk | Didn't see documentation per se that indicated that, but I received an error message when running tlp setcharge indicating that was for Thinkpads only. There must have been some benefit to tlp or it likely wouldn't have ended up in the Debian repos. |
| 05:19.55 | Urk | I would like to set the battery to 90/30 |
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| 05:25.05 | jmcnaught | Urk: what desktop environment are you using? What does "ls ~" return? |
| 05:26.45 | Urk | jmcnaught: ls ~ returns nothing |
| 05:26.54 | Urk | I am on xfce which is a lot like Windows 7 |
| 05:29.27 | Urk | Incidentally the following script recommended earlier didn't work, but not sure if rebooting may have an effect /srid-resu-gdx/erawtfoS/ikiw/gro.potksedeerf.www//:sptth |
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| 05:31.27 | Urk | Also, adding the following folders does not show up after running ls or ls ~: Documents, Desktop, Downloads, Pictures. |
| 05:31.36 | Urk | Seems like file system is messed up good. |
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| 05:34.28 | budlight | hello |
| 05:35.23 | jmcnaught | Urk: what does "mount | grep home" say? |
| 05:37.09 | Urk | jmcnaught: /dev/nvme0n1p6 on /home type ext4 (rw,relatime) |
| 05:38.08 | jmcnaught | Urk: does "ls -a ~" return anything other thatn . and ..? Run this as regular user, not as root. |
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| 05:39.54 | Urk | Alhttp://paste.debian.net/1188624/ |
| 05:40.13 | Urk | Skip the Al in front of the http. Not sure where the Al came from. |
| 05:40.25 | Urk | http://paste.debian.net/1188624/ |
| 05:40.47 | jmcnaught | Urk: why are you using sudo for that command that I said "Run this as regular user, not as root." ??? |
| 05:41.08 | Urk | Sorry. Let me retry. WAsn't sure what you originally meant. |
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| 05:43.27 | Urk | http://paste.debian.net/1188625/ |
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| 05:43.42 | Urk | This was not run as root nor as sudo. |
| 05:44.17 | jmcnaught | Urk: so you clearly have contents in your $HOME. Is it possible that you deleted ~/Pictures and ~/Video? You do have ~/Downloads and ~/Documents. |
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| 05:44.59 | jmcnaught | Urk: under xfce settings if you go to "Session and startup" on the "Application autostart" tab one of the items listed is "User folders update"⦠did you disable this? |
| 05:45.12 | Urk | Downloads and Documents were folders I added, and they don't show up with LS. It didn't do any good to add them because files entered into these folders end up on the desktop instead of staying where they belong. |
| 05:47.15 | Urk | jmcnaught> I did not disable the user folders, but would like to reenable them. |
| 05:48.29 | Urk | How do I renable the folders? Where do I find the "Session and startup"? Folder problem has existed since the initial install. |
| 05:48.54 | Urk | Is the settings in the system area? |
| 05:50.25 | jmcnaught | Urk: I do not normally use xfce so I booted an Debian 10 Live xfce in a VM and I found it by clicking on Applications in the top left corner of the screen, then Settings was the sixth item from the top of that menu. |
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| 05:51.55 | Urk | I usually move the menu from the top to the bottom immediately so my applications launch area is in the bottom left hand corner. |
| 05:53.05 | Urk | I found a tool for application autostart. Still reading. |
| 05:53.54 | jmcnaught | Urk: I would also make a new user and log in as them and see if they have the XDG user dirs. |
| 05:54.50 | Urk | jmcnaught> User folder update was already selected so not sure what is going on. |
| 05:54.58 | Urk | I definitely haven't deleted anything. |
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| 06:02.45 | abff | is there an apt analogy for `aptitude why $package`? |
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| 06:05.25 | jelly | abff, you can try to remove the package with a --dry-run option added, that would show everything that recursively depended on it |
| 06:05.41 | jelly | apt-get -s remove foo |
| 06:05.53 | abff | jelly: you'd need --autoremove too right? |
| 06:06.05 | jelly | no |
| 06:06.10 | abff | that doesn't cover recommended tho |
| 06:06.14 | jelly | it does not |
| 06:06.25 | abff | still, better than nothing |
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| 06:07.19 | abff | ty |
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| 06:14.54 | themill | "apt rdepends --installed" comes close-ish |
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| 06:23.01 | abff | Doesn't follow the dependency chain though |
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| 06:27.51 | themill | you can add --recurse |
| 06:28.32 | themill | but you get to stitch together the story yourself |
| 06:29.32 | themill | you can subscribe to #911651 if you're curious |
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| 06:46.20 | Urk | tlp |
| 06:47.08 | Urk | jmcnaught> Anything else besides tlp? I just unplugged the battery because tlp failed to stop charting at 90%. In fact, it went all the way to 100%. |
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| 07:03.21 | urk | jmcnaught: I have logged in as user ricky, and the folders are there. I suspect the folders may have been lost while while attempting to fix the panel, but not really sure. One thing strange with the current user is that pdf- is showing up in the upper right hand corner. Shouldn't that be ricky? And not pdf-? |
| 07:03.47 | urk | I was thinking about copying everything over to ricky, deleting pdf, and then changing ricky's name to pdf. |
| 07:05.00 | jmcnaught | urk: why can't you just recreate the empty directories in your original user's $HOME? |
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| 07:11.28 | [O-O] | hello |
| 07:11.39 | [O-O] | i typed a no-no command in my terminal |
| 07:12.03 | [O-O] | i erased the ~/.bash_history file. is that enough? |
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| 07:21.59 | unixbsd_1 | hello |
| 07:22.54 | unixbsd | a Little question, is there maybe a sort of Server that looks like Google Drive or Gmail or Google contact boot, over a debian server ? In order to have a same thing, but on own debian server? |
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| 07:27.43 | [O-O] | unixbsd: hey. look into owncloud |
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| 07:37.48 | jelly | nextcloud* |
| 07:37.51 | TheBigK02 | [O-O]: u would prefer owncloud over nextcloud? Im kinda curious. I'm using nextcloud right now but I must say I am not super happy with it. Its slow |
| 07:39.01 | TheBigK02 | I read about the new owncloud which was basically refactored for kubernetes/cloud use... I might give that a shot when its becoming stable |
| 07:39.07 | jelly | unixbsd: drive for file sharing, gmail is mail, contacts and calendar, which functionality do you need? |
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| 07:39.31 | jelly | there are like 4 different things there |
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| 08:08.22 | ratrace | clearly: nextcloud :) j/k |
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| 08:25.27 | ychaouche | o/ |
| 08:28.19 | rdz | hey all. How are packages maintained from oldstable when upstream doesn't maintain version included in oldstable anymore? |
| 08:29.03 | rdz | Specifically, I'm asking aobut mariadb-server in Buster, which comes with version 10.1. Upstream ended support for 10.1 in Oct 2020. |
| 08:29.41 | rdz | sorry: i meant Stretch (not Buster, obviously) |
| 08:30.03 | rdz | Can we expect security fixes for mariadb-server in Stretch? |
| 08:30.14 | ratrace | who knows. |
| 08:31.09 | ratrace | Stretch has been EOL'd last year, so it's out of official, _regular_, debian support. it is now in LTS. LTS is .... best effort, maybe, who knows. |
| 08:31.43 | ratrace | https://wiki.debian.org/LTS |
| 08:31.50 | rdz | ratrace, i thought LTS means specifically there is security support |
| 08:32.23 | ratrace | read about LTS in Debian on the above link. it's not handled by Debian Security team |
| 08:32.27 | rdz | yeah, just read it |
| 08:32.29 | rdz | thanks! |
| 08:32.38 | rdz | that's an important piece of information |
| 08:33.09 | ratrace | You should really upgrade to Buster. If you require really long term support for whatever reason, consider paying for it. |
| 08:33.22 | rdz | ratrace, got it. thanks |
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| 08:38.16 | ratrace | also consider that the EOL'd upstream in _regular_ buster is also handled best effort, who knows. sacrifices are made and often just very serious vulns are tackled, the "less" serious ones aren't. for example with PHP, only remote exploits are. |
| 08:38.37 | ratrace | %s/buster/debian release that's not EOL'd/ |
| 08:40.26 | ratrace | so for example, a local priv escalation probably won't be patched in EOL'd PHP. This will affect Bullseye's second year as PHP 7.4 expires in november next year. |
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| 08:47.35 | jelly | LTS _is_ all about paying for support, it wouldn't be there if there were no sponsors |
| 08:51.11 | ratrace | indeed. |
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| 10:19.25 | dff | hi all, i have an issue with a debian 10.8 vm, console greets me with this error msg https://quad.pe/e/goPqEBr67a.png |
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| 10:20.48 | dff | fsck -fy /dev/sda1 |
| 10:20.51 | dff | returns |
| 10:21.02 | dff | https://quad.pe/e/bNUwipMuPl.png |
| 10:21.26 | dff | not sure what to make of it |
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| 10:23.08 | ratrace | dff: corrupt filesystem. which hypervisor is that and what type is the virtual storage? |
| 10:23.30 | jelly | dff, you did the file system check and it fixed things. Some data may have been lost. Try to boot normally now. |
| 10:23.40 | ratrace | also can you boot normally after the fsck? |
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| 10:24.05 | dff | promox pve 6.3.4 and VirtIO SCSI |
| 10:24.18 | dff | ratrace: how do i reboot from that terminal? |
| 10:24.25 | dff | i cant from the hypervisor |
| 10:24.28 | ratrace | type reboot |
| 10:24.47 | ratrace | but what type of storage is that? file on the host filesystem? zvol? LV? something else? |
| 10:24.47 | dff | it just cycles the prompt with that command |
| 10:25.10 | ratrace | I think if you type "exit" it should continue the boot process |
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| 10:25.57 | dff | exit did the trick |
| 10:26.00 | dff | thanks |
| 10:26.02 | jelly | echo b >> /proc/sysrq-trigger, if that file exists |
| 10:26.43 | jelly | exit does not reboot the machine, it just continues from where initramfs stopped because of fs errors. You still want to reboot once and see the boot process completes |
| 10:27.38 | ratrace | apparently it doesn't if "reboot cycles the prompt" .. I assume the OP means they're just back to busybox shell |
| 10:27.41 | jelly | (I might be remembering wrong, or the initramfs might be doing a reboot post fsck, maybe) |
| 10:27.59 | dff | rebooted fine |
| 10:28.23 | ratrace | there's also these, usable from the grub menu: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-fsck@.service.html |
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| 10:29.01 | ratrace | dff: so the $1M question here is how the virtual fs got corrupt. did you have an unclean forced shutdown in the middle of something in it writing? |
| 10:29.27 | ratrace | otherwise, check the host side filesystem and hardware issues. last time I had VM fs corrupt was when the host motherboard went belly up |
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| 10:30.03 | dff | ratrace: nothing, all that vm has running is a cosmos/tendermint daemon |
| 10:30.15 | dff | that process threw a bunch of errors |
| 10:30.29 | ratrace | dff: then make sure you check the host thoroughly |
| 10:30.33 | dff | tried a reboot, and was greeted by the first screen shot i posted |
| 10:30.45 | ratrace | dff: "tried a reboot" how? |
| 10:31.01 | jelly | file system errors again? |
| 10:31.06 | ratrace | forced shutdown, aka "yanking the virtual power coord", in the middle of something in the VM writing, will produce these |
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| 10:31.41 | jelly | dff, do they, and the fsck output, look _exactly_ the same? |
| 10:32.30 | dff | ratrace: killed the process running the daemon with ctrl-c (stdout went to console) |
| 10:32.31 | jelly | dff, it's possible the underlying storage is broken and/or gone to read-only mode, and that the VM solution is lying about writing the fixes down to disk |
| 10:32.32 | dff | sudo reboot |
| 10:32.51 | jelly | dff, contact your hypervisor admin |
| 10:32.55 | jelly | if so |
| 10:32.57 | dff | you are talking to him |
| 10:33.02 | jelly | :-D |
| 10:33.11 | dff | i will run a diskcheck |
| 10:33.12 | ratrace | dff: yeah that's teh "yakning the virtual power coord" |
| 10:33.15 | dff | from proxmox |
| 10:33.34 | jelly | dff, look at dmesg and logs in proxmox. |
| 10:34.20 | jelly | and answer rat'race's questions about storage backend |
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| 10:35.00 | dff | thanks guys, ill get to around to as soon as im done putting out the bigger fire |
| 10:35.11 | ratrace | the SBG fire? :)) |
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| 10:35.20 | jelly | hopefully not that literal |
| 10:35.36 | ratrace | unless OVH |
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| 10:36.59 | jelly | we had a DC fire after the last earthquake, lots of paid overtime hours |
| 10:37.34 | ratrace | "fun times" |
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| 10:38.01 | ratrace | thing is, even if none of the servers were literally on fire, they're probably chock full of sticky, greasy, plastic smoke residue soot and whatnot |
| 10:38.12 | ratrace | good luck cleaning that |
| 10:38.31 | dff | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/2e8b4a0c/ |
| 10:38.35 | dff | LVM |
| 10:38.59 | ratrace | samsung 970 pro. fancy. :) |
| 10:39.27 | jelly | still, a consumer device, does it have power loss protection |
| 10:39.39 | dff | no |
| 10:39.40 | ratrace | samsung pro aren't consumer |
| 10:39.41 | dff | homelab |
| 10:39.57 | jelly | prosumer? :-) |
| 10:40.08 | dff | it has surge protection |
| 10:40.18 | dff | if i cant afford another disk to mirror i cant afford a UPS |
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| 10:40.28 | dff | :( |
| 10:40.44 | ratrace | bigger SLC cache; much bigger rated TBW than the non-pro EVO in the series |
| 10:41.21 | ratrace | anyhoo this, kids, is why we need data checksummed filesystems, preferably with redundancy for auto heals :) |
| 10:41.23 | dff | which check do you suggest i perform on /dev/nvme0n1 ? |
| 10:41.37 | jelly | you can md mirror to a hdd every now and then |
| 10:41.55 | dff | i have the actual VMs backed up to storage on ZFS |
| 10:42.02 | jelly | good |
| 10:42.10 | dff | with one degraded disk |
| 10:42.13 | dff | :D |
| 10:42.17 | jelly | /o\ |
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| 10:42.32 | jelly | hopes it's raidz2 |
| 10:42.38 | ratrace | dff: there isn't any proper test. smartctl might tell you things but that's often false negative. you don't have data checksumming so all you can do is a destructive badblocks to test individual sectors |
| 10:42.40 | dff | s/2/1 |
| 10:42.52 | ratrace | consider ZFS. proxmox can use ZFS transparently |
| 10:43.11 | ratrace | give it redundancy (raid1 or better) and your life will become much much much easier in case of data degradation |
| 10:43.51 | dff | i knew this was a one way ride when i bought the server |
| 10:43.56 | dff | i had limitations on what i could buy |
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| 10:44.17 | ratrace | actually.... that being SSD, one test is to write out a bunch of small files, delete half of them, write again. that'll force SSD controller to rezone things and might .... _might_ ... hit bad sectors which are then logged, noted, and probably reallocated |
| 10:44.18 | dff | also this is very far from my day job |
| 10:44.19 | jelly | it's unusual to see fs errors right after a successful fsck, so something else is going on |
| 10:45.07 | dff | the server had an uptime of like 45 days |
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| 10:45.29 | ratrace | dff: if that server has any serious role where data degradation is not an option .... you should _really_ use ZFS with that proxmox |
| 10:45.33 | dff | im not ruling out the daemon is at fault, it's alpha software |
| 10:45.57 | ratrace | what daemon? |
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| 10:46.21 | dff | ratrace: so i should reinstall proxmox, use the single disk zfs and restore the vms? |
| 10:46.36 | dff | single disk with zfs* |
| 10:46.42 | ratrace | even single disk ZFS is way better than dumb, no datacsum ext4 or raw LV for the VMs |
| 10:46.45 | dff | cosmos/tendermint |
| 10:46.55 | ratrace | but... really give it redundacy if you care about data |
| 10:47.05 | dff | how :( |
| 10:47.10 | dff | $$ |
| 10:47.13 | ratrace | dff: is that a purely userland process/daemon or does it hook into kernel vfs APIs? |
| 10:47.21 | dff | userland |
| 10:47.28 | ratrace | then it cannot possibly cause ext4 corruption |
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| 10:47.59 | ratrace | unless... indirectly.... by hitting a kernel bug or something. speaking of .... which kernel is in the VM? |
| 10:48.13 | jelly | does ext4 evne have data checksums now? |
| 10:48.18 | ratrace | nope |
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| 10:48.23 | ratrace | only metadata, which it always had |
| 10:48.32 | jelly | not always but yeah |
| 10:48.43 | ratrace | the _only_ filesystems with data checksums are btrfs and zfs .. or use dm-integrity under mdadm for auto heals |
| 10:48.54 | dff | Kernel: Linux 4.19.0-14-amd64 |
| 10:49.05 | ratrace | there's talk about xfs growin the data csum abilty, maybe, as part of Stratis but .... we'll see |
| 10:49.27 | ratrace | dff: okay, so it's not 5.12 rc with that nasty corruption thingy involving swapfile :) |
| 10:49.31 | dff | would zfs involve lots more read writes? |
| 10:49.48 | ratrace | nope. especially if you have gobs of RAM, its ARC thingy is marvelous |
| 10:50.09 | dff | as $$$ is a real issue here id rather it live longer and die, then live shorter and tell me just before it dies |
| 10:50.23 | dff | ok ill look into that |
| 10:50.49 | ratrace | even single disk ZFS can help. it'll stop a read and bark loudly on data corruption, so you can restoree that one file or something. |
| 10:51.38 | ratrace | dff: just note ZFS is not a simple/equivalent replacement of ext4. it's more an equivalent replacement of ext4+mdadm+LVM all packed into single suite called ZFS. |
| 10:51.42 | jelly | !woof |
| 10:51.42 | dpkg | barks, you one hot bitch , $1! |
| 10:51.51 | ratrace | jelly: tsk tsk tsk tsk |
| 10:51.54 | jelly | ooo-kay |
| 10:52.44 | ratrace | dff: but proxmox should handle all that transparently so you can ... delegate ZFS management to it, while you, along the way, learn of zfs specifics |
| 10:52.49 | jelly | dpkg, factinfo cmd: woof (.*?) |
| 10:52.49 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as cmd: woof (.*?), jelly |
| 10:53.39 | jelly | !factinfo woof |
| 10:53.39 | dpkg | woof -- last modified at Sat Jun 12 22:34:31 2004 by FieldySnuts!VW1h15xeFg@fieldysnuts.registered; it has been requested 45 times, last by jelly, 1m 57s ago. |
| 10:54.01 | jelly | okay, she was allowed to say that I guess |
| 10:54.16 | ratrace | also. a dog saying "bitch" is politically correct |
| 10:56.24 | mirrorbird | hi |
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| 11:00.10 | Franciman | Hello |
| 11:00.20 | Franciman | do debian repos contain packages that are no longer mantained? |
| 11:00.37 | ratrace | it's not impossible |
| 11:00.42 | Franciman | for example I wanted to install the bip package, but it seems that the last update to bip was from the last year |
| 11:00.59 | Franciman | so I am not sure if it is safe to install it, or I am installing an unmantained piece of software |
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| 11:02.34 | ratrace | ,v bip |
| 11:02.46 | jelly | bah! |
| 11:02.48 | ratrace | where's judd! |
| 11:03.07 | ratrace | Franciman: is there a newere release upstream even? I don't see any. In fact, stable seems to have 0.9.0-RC, and upstream says 0.8.9 is latest |
| 11:03.34 | Franciman | yeah, I can't see none, too |
| 11:03.37 | ratrace | $1M question is how did a RC package end up in Stable.... |
| 11:04.02 | ratrace | and there seems to be ONE newer release upstream rc4, while rc3 is in stable |
| 11:04.24 | Franciman | maybe they are so slow, that rc is considered stable? |
| 11:04.51 | ratrace | rc4 was promptly upgraded to in sid and testing, so I'm guessing it's maintained in debian. |
| 11:05.30 | ratrace | Franciman: seems like 2 years between rc3 and rc4, so "maybe". still.... RC grade release in Stable? tsk tsk tsk. |
| 11:05.46 | Franciman | lol |
| 11:05.54 | Franciman | eheh I don't know what to trust now |
| 11:05.59 | mirrorb2rd | i love you all *hug* |
| 11:06.03 | Franciman | maybe I will try weechat |
| 11:06.10 | Franciman | i liked that bip is really small |
| 11:06.12 | Franciman | compared to znc |
| 11:06.18 | Franciman | and weechat is 35MB o.o |
| 11:06.23 | Franciman | with all the deps I do not need |
| 11:06.29 | ratrace | weechat is a client... bip and znc are proxies.... can weechat proxy too? |
| 11:06.36 | Franciman | yep, today i found out |
| 11:06.39 | Franciman | it has a plugin called relay |
| 11:06.48 | ratrace | oh, okay |
| 11:07.15 | ratrace | anyway if you're concerned with bip, explore its commit log, see what changed, how, what teh open issues are, make a decision based on that. |
| 11:07.21 | Franciman | https://weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_user.it.html#relay_plugin |
| 11:07.43 | ratrace | whatev. <3 irssi 4 life! :)) |
| 11:08.27 | Franciman | does irssi do relay? |
| 11:08.54 | ratrace | not that I know of. but irssi + tmux + cheap ovh vps that your company is paying without knowing == priceless. |
| 11:09.14 | Franciman | eheh I get it |
| 11:09.18 | Franciman | but I am on the noob side |
| 11:09.20 | Franciman | :P |
| 11:09.22 | Franciman | I use hexchat |
| 11:09.47 | dff | bitchx or riot |
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| 11:15.00 | wsky | takes cover |
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| 12:10.52 | hmpf1 | Hi. I have a question about debootstrap. I used to get the chroot i wanted from it. Then a year later, doing the same thing, i am missing a bunch of packages (like vi). About 40 less packages are installed. Any idea where that comes from? |
| 12:11.30 | hmpf1 | it's a normal buster base image. |
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| 12:42.16 | urk | I am wondering what will happen if I delete user pdf after I create another user called Ricky. I am inside Ricky and the folder structure appears to be normal, and working. In contrast, pdf has problems, and nothing shows up after running ls ~ |
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| 12:45.14 | dob1 | how can I umount a partition but keep the device attached? |
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| 12:45.24 | dob1 | when I umount a partition the /dev/sdx go |
| 12:45.33 | dob1 | (usb) |
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| 12:46.39 | urk | dob1: I am a novice, but isn't that something like umount /dev/sdx? |
| 12:46.59 | urk | dob1: Is /dev/sdx currently mounted to /mnt? |
| 12:47.01 | dob1 | this is the device itself |
| 12:47.26 | dob1 | most of the time is like /dev/sdaN that is mounted |
| 12:47.35 | urk | What does lsblk say? |
| 12:48.46 | urk | You can paste the results to paste.debian.net |
| 12:49.27 | dob1 | it was my fault, nevermind |
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| 13:05.21 | jelly | dpkg, stretch->buster |
| 13:05.21 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove lines like stretch-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues then do: apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade |
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| 13:19.11 | Franciman | I really wish I was in stretch |
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| 13:27.53 | Shadur | This probably won't matter to anyone sane (unlike me) but there's a mild bug in https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy -- the apt sources are both fine, but it appears that the index file for the debian-security part has expired two years ago and gets ignored: "E: Release file expired, ignoring http://archive.debian.org/debian-security/dists/wheezy/updates/Release (invalid since 699d 22h 9min 42s)" |
| 13:28.45 | ratrace | "well duh"? |
| 13:30.27 | themill | Shadur: that is to be expected |
| 13:32.57 | Shadur | themill: Yeah, it's fair. But it turns out I had an old Squeeze box still hanging around and I figured I'd make it a lab experiment to do a serial dist upgrade and prove it's doable. |
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| 13:37.40 | m1dnight_ | Hi all. I have monit installed on my server, and today I got a mail saying that my rootfs was remounted as read-only, and 3 minutes later is was remounted as read/write. |
| 13:37.50 | m1dnight_ | I have checked /var/log/syslog, but I can't see anything regarding that. |
| 13:38.58 | m1dnight_ | I did see that 12:55 a few cronjobs started like `/usr/lib/pcp/bin/pmlogger_check` |
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| 13:40.59 | ratrace | m1dnight_: what did monit base that info on? which sensor? filesystem remounts are logged via kern facility, and thus would've ended in /var/log/kern.log and syslog |
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| 14:56.21 | istrive | hellow world! It's good to be alive and breathing on my on! God help and protect us all... |
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| 14:58.25 | istrive | I am puzzled with logrotate, if I run it manually logrotete -v /etc/logrotete.conf it works flawlessly, and the service stay running as expected, but overnigh when cron.daily executes the service exits with not specific error and stops running... What should I look for in this situation? |
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| 15:04.10 | ratrace | apt install patience |
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| 15:15.48 | jelly | ,v postgres |
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| 15:15.51 | jelly | ,v postgresql |
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| 15:25.13 | istrive | I am puzzled with logrotate, if I run it manually logrotete -v /etc/logrotete.conf it works flawlessly, and the service stay running as expected, but overnigh when cron.daily executes the service exits with not specific error and stops running... What should I look for in this situation? |
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| 15:41.24 | istrive | My logrotate serivice stops every night after cron.daily executes. Manual run of logrotate -v /etc/logrotate.conf shows no errors at all! What am I missing? |
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| 15:42.52 | ratrace | istrive: is it rotating logs? logrotate is not a service, it's a cron executed program. it's supposed to stop after it's done |
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| 15:43.31 | istrive | the service logrotate is exiting with error after the execution of the cron.daily that's the problem! |
| 15:43.42 | istrive | I have to manually restart the service every morning! |
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| 15:43.53 | istrive | that's not normal! |
| 15:44.02 | ratrace | how do you know it's exiting with error? |
| 15:44.08 | greycat | What does the error say? |
| 15:44.22 | istrive | because the systemctl status logrotate reports it! |
| 15:44.44 | istrive | that's the problem, no error especified only exited with error 1 |
| 15:44.57 | greycat | run "journalctl -u logrotate" as root |
| 15:45.17 | ratrace | istrive: please pastebin what it reports. also journalctl -u cron.service and use --since and --until to limit the logs for the period it fails in |
| 15:45.59 | istrive | one minute |
| 15:46.03 | istrive | let do it now |
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| 15:46.30 | ratrace | oh it became a systemd timer unit.... |
| 15:47.01 | greycat | news to me as well |
| 15:47.10 | ratrace | istrive: wait, stop, that won't show anything. it's now a timer on buster, that cron.daily is not actually doing anything |
| 15:47.25 | ratrace | do what greycat showed, journalctl -u logrotate.service |
| 15:47.37 | istrive | nothing there |
| 15:47.53 | ratrace | so start with a pastebin of the error you're seeing |
| 15:48.08 | istrive | --no entries-- |
| 15:48.37 | greycat | Disk full? |
| 15:48.39 | ratrace | so start with a pastebin of the error you've been impatiently screaming about for the past hour |
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| 15:49.21 | istrive | here is the pastebin of systemctl status |
| 15:49.22 | istrive | https://pastebin.com/JuAKWSv6 |
| 15:49.29 | ratrace | if /var were on fs that's full, there'd be other nasty problems too |
| 15:50.10 | ratrace | istrive: journalctl --since '2021-03-10 00:00:00' | grep -i logrot |
| 15:50.31 | greycat | OK, the first surprising thing is that your logrotate.service is enabled. Mine isn't. |
| 15:50.48 | ratrace | greycat: upgraded instead of reinstalled buster? |
| 15:50.57 | greycat | I'm on upgraded-to bullseye at the moment. |
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| 15:51.29 | ratrace | ah. I found that upgrading does not result with the same system installing does. this should be very important distinction in supporting, that's essentially two different debians. |
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| 15:51.42 | ratrace | usrmerge is one big diff between the two |
| 15:52.10 | ratrace | so when jells says he upgraded since... many orbits ago.... I wonder if that's even Debian any more :) |
| 15:52.22 | istrive | here we go |
| 15:52.22 | istrive | https://pastebin.com/u2Qd1xQf |
| 15:52.25 | greycat | do you have a "pure" buster system where logrotate.service is enabled? |
| 15:52.31 | ratrace | I do here, yes. |
| 15:52.46 | istrive | yes |
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| 15:53.35 | ratrace | istrive: that shows some problem with mysql credentials.... I don't even what that has to do with logrotate, and I don't use mysql to check myself. |
| 15:53.44 | greycat | istrive: did you run https://pastebin.com/raw/JuAKWSv6 as root, or normal user? The shell prompt is missing. Running it as root might reveal more details. Or not. |
| 15:53.57 | istrive | i did as root |
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| 15:54.50 | istrive | error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' its MAriaDB the issue here! |
| 15:55.09 | greycat | if logrotate is trying to talk to a database, yeah, that might do it |
| 15:55.11 | ratrace | yes, logrotate is somehow using the database |
| 15:55.36 | ratrace | I never used logrotate that way and I can't even begin to imagine what it wants with mysql, so that's somethign specific for your config to chekc. |
| 15:55.57 | greycat | my first guess would be that it's trying to ask the DB to go into a dormant state for a second |
| 15:56.05 | greycat | but I have no idea whether logrotate can do that |
| 15:56.08 | istrive | thank you guys for helping me to narrow down the issue! I knew I could count on this community! |
| 15:56.16 | ratrace | it can pre and post rotate with signals and executables |
| 15:56.32 | ratrace | so maybe pastebin the mysql specific logrotate.conf.d so we can take a peek |
| 15:57.48 | istrive | there is a known issue with the logrotate and MySQL, I have gone through many steps to fix it but clearly hasn't been successfully done! |
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| 15:58.26 | greycat | (and you didn't think it was important to mention that you'd been banging on the logrotate configs...) |
| 15:59.17 | istrive | I did't change anything onthe conf files from any of them |
| 15:59.31 | istrive | I am researching it though! |
| 16:00.04 | ratrace | I'd start with /etc/logrotate.d/mysql or mariadb whatever related is in there |
| 16:00.05 | istrive | I did chan ges on MariaDB nothing outside ... |
| 16:00.37 | istrive | changing user perfmissions on the databases, that's all! |
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| 16:07.27 | brigand | hi. is it a bad idea to change "delete previous word" to ctrl+backspace in the terminal? (the default is alt+backspace but every other program uses ctrl+backspace) |
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| 16:12.49 | ratrace | huh... alt backspace.... and all this time I've been using vim bindings in bash lol |
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| 16:16.19 | greycat | I've been using vi bindings in ksh/bash for about 30 years, so that's not going to change. |
| 16:16.37 | ratrace | hear hear. |
| 16:16.51 | brigand | thanks. very helpful |
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| 16:17.03 | greycat | wonders what that was about |
| 16:17.23 | greycat | I was literally starting to type out "brigand, you can do whatever you want..." and he stormed out |
| 16:17.33 | ratrace | we didn't make their decision for them, so they ragequit :) |
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| 16:22.09 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 16:22.10 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-4-686 (5.10.19-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-4-686 (5.10.19-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.10.13-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-14-686-pae (4.19.171-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.14-686 (4.19.171-2~deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 16:22.11 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
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| 16:32.33 | jelly | emacs bindings or DEATH |
| 16:33.36 | jelly | basically the only thing grml.org does wrong is default zsh to vi bindings, everything else is perfect (including having zsh as the shell) |
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| 16:50.03 | n4dir | not if you don't really know zsh. It is my main reason to not use it ... |
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| 16:51.38 | n4dir | on a live iso i really would expect the default standard to be used, but that might be me only |
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| 16:57.11 | jelly | if you know bash well enough to use the things that are different, you'll also know how to run it |
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| 17:11.20 | GNU\colossus | zsh is overrated |
| 17:11.45 | GNU\colossus | the time people sink into setting up that thing with shit that makes everything slow is ridiculous. even the frontend kids at $lastjob |
| 17:11.56 | GNU\colossus | and then they wanted to tell gramps here about there latest achievements |
| 17:12.03 | GNU\colossus | only to be STRICKEN DOWN BY THE BASH |
| 17:12.09 | GNU\colossus | because you can't kill the bash |
| 17:12.40 | GNU\colossus | (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR7U1HIhxfA) |
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| 17:16.01 | oxek | I still don't know what the point of zsh is |
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| 17:16.10 | oxek | but then again, I've just been using bash for my whole linux life |
| 17:17.09 | oxek | I think I should check it out though |
| 17:17.10 | jelly | it has z in the name, thus, better |
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| 17:17.29 | ratrace | zettabyte shell |
| 17:17.42 | oxek | I think last I attempted to try it, it put me through some interactive setup where I had no idea what to answer and messed stuff up |
| 17:17.43 | jelly | (it was significantly better when bash failed at programmable completions) |
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| 17:18.29 | oxek | ΩSH or Ïsh? |
| 17:18.31 | jelly | today, tho, probably not worth to bother if you like bash enough |
| 17:19.37 | oxek | I don't like nor dislike bash, for me it's just always been there and I just used it |
| 17:20.16 | oxek | which is the typical case (for me) of completely missing out on something that would make my life simpler, or learning something useful |
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| 17:20.47 | oxek | like when I first had mandrake (mandriva) linux and did not bother to check out other distros |
| 17:21.20 | jelly | sometimes it's handy to glob-complete files newer than one day instead of having to run find |
| 17:22.02 | jelly | that's about the only useful thing I don't know how to bash |
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| 17:22.53 | oxek | I just did a very simple online search on zsh, and everything seems to revolve around something called oh-my-zsh |
| 17:23.28 | jelly | oh-my-zsh is a remote execution disaster waiting to happen |
| 17:23.31 | oxek | which is not packaged in debian |
| 17:24.01 | jelly | you pull a ton of code from some github and let it run inside your shell |
| 17:24.46 | oxek | which is not that different from pulling code from github, and having it run in my vim, or tmux, or ... |
| 17:24.52 | Ede|Popede | oh-my-zsh sounds like omgubuntu |
| 17:25.07 | oxek | yeah, the oh-my-zsh name is a bit cringy |
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| 17:26.07 | oxek | the actual question I have then: is it fine to explore zsh, as packaged in debian, without ever touching oh-my-zsh? |
| 17:26.23 | oxek | or is this oh-my-zsh pretty much a requirement nowadays |
| 17:27.05 | Ede|Popede | it's always worth to see an alternative |
| 17:27.17 | dff | hi all, ive done some research and ive come to the following conclusion on how to partition, format and mount a drive, all available space. http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3a87431e/ |
| 17:27.24 | dff | does it look correct? |
| 17:28.09 | oxek | dff: looks really weird, especially since it's a VM image |
| 17:28.39 | dff | oxek: you mean the partitions on /dev/vda? |
| 17:28.52 | ratrace | out of order partitions are yucky |
| 17:28.57 | dff | the vm spawned like that |
| 17:29.02 | ratrace | also where did 2-13 go |
| 17:29.04 | dff | does it matter+ |
| 17:29.09 | dff | no one knows |
| 17:29.27 | oxek | yeah, the /dev/vda just looks weird |
| 17:29.40 | dff | i agree, but does it matter? |
| 17:29.44 | oxek | bad order, non-existent numbers, having both BIOS boot and EFI, ... |
| 17:30.13 | ratrace | both bios and efi ain't bad for a generic, boot-me-anywhere system |
| 17:30.24 | ratrace | dff: my OCD would never allow this on our disks |
| 17:30.35 | ratrace | even if it "works" ... it's not normal, no. |
| 17:30.52 | dff | my doesnt either, but my inability to do anything about it is nonexistent |
| 17:30.58 | dff | err |
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| 17:31.07 | oxek | dff: it will likely work, but if something goes wrong it might create a headache to debug or troubleshoot or fix |
| 17:31.09 | dff | that came out wrong, but you understand im sure |
| 17:31.14 | ratrace | we landed on the moon. shirley, you can rebuild the vm. |
| 17:31.35 | oxek | and for /dev/sda "Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes" is not ideal either |
| 17:31.36 | dff | wouldnt i need to boot from another system do reorder? |
| 17:31.45 | dff | do=to |
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| 17:32.09 | dff | and wouldnt i need console access during boot? |
| 17:32.12 | oxek | especially since it is an ssd |
| 17:32.32 | jelly | dff, at work we do each VM with two disks: first disk 1GB with one partition for /boot and boot loader. Second disk without ANY partitions for LVM |
| 17:33.27 | dff | we need to accept im a novice and take baby steps :) |
| 17:33.36 | jelly | this makes it easy to resize the size of the disk, the LV, and the filesystem without a reboot, all online |
| 17:33.55 | dff | i have very limited experience is successfully playing with partition and disks |
| 17:34.09 | dff | in* |
| 17:34.12 | jelly | also, maybe you don't need to boot the VM in UEFI mode. Go with BIOS boot and have one less partition |
| 17:34.29 | dff | my goal is just to add the other disk :( |
| 17:34.32 | jelly | or have just one partition |
| 17:35.48 | jelly | did not even notice the new sda disk |
| 17:36.10 | jelly | why are they not both vda and vdb? |
| 17:39.39 | ratrace | one's probably virtio-scsi the other's just virtio |
| 17:40.24 | jelly | what's the difference and don't say -scsi |
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| 17:40.49 | dff | one is the storage that came with the vm, the other is added block storage. |
| 17:40.51 | ratrace | but that's.... the.... difference. :) interface |
| 17:41.30 | [O-O] | TheBigK02: i never used nextcloud so i cannot judge the performance, but both are built on php and next is fork of own soo.. idk |
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| 17:46.30 | jelly | dff, the disk is already added. You don't have to partition it at all if you plan to just use the whole space |
| 17:46.50 | jelly | it's okay to use /dev/sda directly |
| 17:47.33 | dff | jelly: doesnt it need one partition and be formated? |
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| 17:51.06 | dff | it being /dev/sda |
| 17:51.36 | jelly | it does not |
| 17:51.55 | jelly | need a partition. You need a filesystem, and it can be on the whole disk |
| 17:52.30 | jelly | partition slice a single disk into pieces if those pieces have to be used for different things, like a boot loader |
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| 17:59.48 | dff | okey, so i only need to format? |
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| 18:00.35 | dff | i tried to partition disks on my OVH VPS and look how that turned out. |
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| 18:02.48 | Ede|Popede | did you use a burning software for the task? |
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| 18:05.44 | dff | it's why i had to move to cloud hosting. It's what happens when i have a terminal with root |
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| 18:06.31 | dff | i shouldn't be allowed neear computers |
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| 18:08.30 | cws | dff: Are you why OVH burned down? |
| 18:08.30 | Ede|Popede | welcome to the club. the pauli effect? |
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| 18:34.54 | abff | cws ovh burned down where? |
| 18:35.23 | sney | france |
| 18:35.52 | ratrace | SBG more precisely as they have multiple DCs in france |
| 18:35.55 | sney | strasbourg-2 is destroyed. 1 is partially damaged and 3 and 4 are ok but offline until next week |
| 18:36.25 | sney | apparently ovh internal chats are full of cloud jokes. "look we migrated SBG2 to the cloud" building_on_fire.jpg |
| 18:36.32 | ratrace | shipping containers turned into datacenters. no halon. |
| 18:36.55 | cws | I always said OVH is a trash fire. I guess that was predictive. |
| 18:37.06 | sney | halon is illegal in builds after a certain year they tell me |
| 18:37.28 | abff | sney: yikes |
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| 18:37.48 | cws | Yes, but halon has been replaced with a different chemical. |
| 18:37.56 | jhutchins | So just leave fire supression out entirely. Good plan! Like not wasting storage hardware on backups. |
| 18:38.20 | cws | FM-200, Novec, etc. |
| 18:38.37 | ratrace | hey, that's the modern hyperscale mentality. quality software? hardware? naaaah, just redeploy |
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| 18:46.00 | oxek | OVH just transferred a lot of data into the cloud, that's all |
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| 18:52.44 | ratrace | it didn't survive the firewall tho |
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| 18:53.12 | ratrace | speaking of.... someone should write a new joke RFC for this year's april fools. smoke cloud computing. |
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