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| 01:22.06 | AJDevelopment | hi |
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| 02:10.45 | guojimhuang | Hello AJ~~ |
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| 02:13.11 | genr8 | anyone have any good ideas for securing debian from the inside out ? |
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| 02:16.03 | oxek | genr8: yeah, don't put your user account into sudo group. If you want root permissions, logout and login to a different account. |
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| 02:17.49 | guojimhuang | Why would putting my account into sudo group be a bad idea? |
| 02:18.32 | genr8 | oxek, thats a good advice |
| 02:19.21 | oxek | guojimhuang: because users having sudo permissions is step 1 of breaking a debian system |
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| 02:29.27 | guojimhuang | oxek: I would look up some wiki pages about that for now, maybe I should not abruptly ask questions before investigating next time. |
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| 02:38.39 | oxek | guojimhuang: this channel is often pretty chill, many people in here don't mind answering basic questions, though searching first is always appreciated |
| 02:40.16 | oxek | basic rule is that without root privileges, it's very hard to break the security of debian |
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| 02:40.59 | oxek | problem is that some exploits and improper configuration can give the user/attacker root privileges, at which point everything is lost |
| 02:41.39 | oxek | (unless you're using that new kernel lockdown option, or are in some virtualized/containerized environment) |
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| 02:42.56 | [O-O] | if ur debian is a web server or something similar, change the ssh port and use key files instead of passwords |
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| 02:43.52 | oxek | using keyfiles being more important than changing default ssh port |
| 02:44.45 | [O-O] | yes |
| 02:45.32 | [O-O] | u can also use fail2ban like software |
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| 03:10.19 | abff | changing the port is basically pointless |
| 03:14.24 | [O-O] | ye port scanning is fast |
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| 04:21.55 | isapgswell | hi |
| 04:22.26 | isapgswell | how to stop X from listening tcp | local and unix ??? |
| 04:22.40 | isapgswell | like -nolisten tcp -nolisten local -nolisten unix |
| 04:26.09 | isapgswell | i ran: sudo ps lf -C Xorg , and this return do not show nothing about listening or not |
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| 04:32.01 | jamiew0w | does anyone know the optimal compression tool when having to compress thousands upon thousands of files but i don't care about the end-result size of the archive? much more valuable to me in how long it takes to finish. |
| 04:33.52 | themill | isapgswell: -nolisten tcp has been the default for a very long time |
| 04:34.19 | isapgswell | themill i need local and unix too |
| 04:34.25 | isapgswell | themill any idea? |
| 04:34.40 | themill | isapgswell: I suspect that you don't know what they do. |
| 04:35.02 | isapgswell | themill avoid xserver listening |
| 04:35.13 | themill | s/listening/working/ |
| 04:35.33 | isapgswell | themill unix = working? |
| 04:38.49 | themill | jamiew0w: There are compressor performance benchmarks out there, but for speed over size and knowing that you can decompress it later, gzip wins for me normally. I'm boring and let people half my age have compressor wars about xz vs lzip. Running it in parallel (either pigz for a single large file or with xargs -P) likely makes more difference to your execution time than anything else, of course. |
| 04:39.53 | jamiew0w | Excellent, thanks so much themill. most benchmarks i've found are more interested in compression ratio or dealing with things like isos etc. |
| 04:40.02 | jamiew0w | Thanks! |
| 04:40.12 | themill | yeah |
| 04:40.25 | themill | or they look more at decompression memory usage etc |
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| 06:48.29 | kristijonas | Hello, I'm just testing dpkg -S / apt-file search, and just wondering why `dpkg -S dpkg -S /usr/bin/rm` finds no matches. Are these most common Unix commands not part of any package and rather comes with the kernel or what? |
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| 06:54.54 | themill | kristijonas: it's /bin/rm |
| 06:54.58 | themill | ,file /bin/rm |
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| 06:55.04 | judd | Search for /bin/rm in buster/amd64: coreutils: bin/rm |
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| 07:02.18 | kristijonas | themill, thanks! I thought it was /usr/bin/rm because that's what `which rm` returned. |
| 07:03.21 | themill | yeah, usrmerge gets confusing like that :( |
| 07:03.34 | themill | hmm where have all the bots gone |
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| 07:09.15 | kristijonas | themill, what bots? Did I miss something? |
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| 07:11.02 | themill | I was going to ask dpkg to tell you about usrmerge |
| 07:11.12 | themill | [17:56] <dpkg> /usr merge is the combining of /bin and /usr/bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin on fresh installs of Debian 10 Buster. On machines upgraded from Stretch, this is optional, and can be accomplished if desired via the usrmerge package, or <https://wiki.debian.org/UsrMerge> Note that usrmerge can be confusing for tools like dpkg -S. |
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| 07:14.11 | kristijonas | oh, got it! either way, i'm not sure if my question is for this channel, but I'll give it a try: I've starting learning c++ and most likely will spend some time on other languages like c as well, and then I thought: cool, open source, debian source packages. |
| 07:15.24 | kristijonas | It's still a headache to get how command-line program becomes a GUI, and stuff, but I was wondering if normally you'd see project files in debian source packages |
| 07:16.16 | kristijonas | and by that I mean, can I actually somehow take advantage of debian source packages not to compile them, but simply experiment by editing those on some IDEs. |
| 07:17.14 | maxrazer | I don't know a lot about working on C++ projects, or Debian packages, but I would think going to to the origin of the project would get you just as good sources files. |
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| 07:18.18 | maxrazer | Maybe you are thinking the source packages would help you build. Hopefully there are build instructions at the project site. But, I'm sure that could be difficult if not. |
| 07:18.45 | maxrazer | Make files and things like that. Cmake, make etc. |
| 07:20.40 | kristijonas | maxrazer, yea, I am reading on makefiles, gcc compiler as well, like this one: https://www3.ntu.edu.sg/home/ehchua/programming/cpp/gcc_make.html |
| 07:21.37 | kristijonas | but my interest is to make sense of how GUI programs are being made, and to experiment in nice graphic way. |
| 07:22.29 | maxrazer | If there is a make file, the command is normally just "make -j5" for example to use 6 cores. Compile time can be long if you don't use all cores. There may also be script file including to run the make command and other things. |
| 07:24.29 | maxrazer | Well, do you know about the existence of the GUI libraries? Because if you research those that should explain it I would think. GTK, QT etc. |
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| 07:29.49 | kristijonas | maxrazer, I heard of those. But probably to my sadness, open source != if developers used some IDE, they will publish the project files so you can easily import the whole project to IDE to make changes. |
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| 08:26.12 | abff | graphic libraries like GTK or qt don't neccessarily require an IDE to work with, and most projects I know of don't require you to use a specific IDE to build their projects either |
| 08:30.07 | abff | and the ones that do are usually recommendations which are specifically for developers working on windows |
| 08:31.12 | abff | at least in my experience, but if their project has other targets most often people rely on make for c and c++ to organize the build |
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| 08:32.24 | kristijonas | abff, right, i get. My goal here was: why learning programming language to take a lot of some simple gui apps, and probably mess around with them in IDE so that for me as a beginner it all makes more sense. |
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| 08:39.17 | abff | well the IDE you chose doesn't matter, so long as it's cohesive with the language you're using (something like eclipse or code:blocks). Personally I found messing with IDEs very confusing when I was learning, and opted to use a simple text editor and command line to build. It helped me understand the intricacies of the individual parts of the tool chain, rather that a mysterious "compile and run" button that left me with little to learn |
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| 08:41.32 | abff | You should be aware that the libraries which make most GUIs are very complex and massive, and might be overwhelming. I recommend familiarizing yourself with the language doing small computational tasks, like euler project, and as you improve incorporate more interactive functionality as you better understand the language |
| 08:45.38 | ratrace | which IDE tho... |
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| 08:55.06 | kristijonas | abff, that's a good approach. |
| 08:56.30 | cvele | hi people. is anyone else having a problem with gedit? there's a weird thing going on with gedit on my machines. The thing is, if I create a file (or edit and save) with gedit and later try to open it with gedit I get Segmentation fault. It's random, sometimes it fails to open, sometimes it opens. I tried creating file with other editors and those files open successfully in gedit. |
| 08:57.24 | kristijonas | ratrace, whatever IDE some open source programs was developed in. My original question was: can I take debian source package of some GUI program and normally be able to import it to IDE to experiment with it / or see a clearer picture of all the components while meanwhile learning the language? |
| 08:57.48 | themill | kristijonas: yes, you can do that |
| 08:59.35 | ratrace | kristijonas: yes. the reason I asked which IDE is because different users prefer different tools. So even if a project published some IDE save files... who would use it :) |
| 09:00.30 | ratrace | Pretty much any IDE should be able to import existing sources and do their thing (hilighting, autocomplete, ...) based on your own settings and preferences. |
| 09:00.43 | kristijonas | Let's say: https://sources.debian.org/src/kinfocenter/4:5.14.5-1/ this. Graphically not too complicated? How would I import it to IDE |
| 09:01.48 | ratrace | you start your IDE, find a Create new Project option or something like that, and point it at the existing sources directory OR do whatever process your preferred IDE has for importing existing sources |
| 09:01.53 | themill | kristijonas: you're asking "what colour is tuesday" questions |
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| 09:02.34 | ratrace | kristijonas: basically an IDE is just a glorified code editor with all the fancy helper functions. |
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| 09:02.53 | ratrace | %s/code editor/code aware text editor/ |
| 09:03.08 | themill | for GUI programs, there is sometimes a graphical editor for the interface too |
| 09:03.14 | happygilmoregent | I know this isn't a ventoy room but couldn't find one but just had a question about the persistence |
| 09:03.51 | themill | ,i qtcreator |
| 09:03.53 | judd | Package qtcreator (devel, optional) in buster/amd64: integrated development environment (IDE) for Qt. Version: 4.8.2-1; Size: 15554.4k; Installed: 62955k; Homepage: https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/topics-app-development.html; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/qtcreator |
| 09:03.55 | happygilmoregent | does anyone know where the pesistence is mounted on boot? |
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| 09:04.23 | ratrace | happygilmoregent: the what? |
| 09:05.03 | happygilmoregent | the persistence image if you want to use ventoy and not have to do things and have a rw image |
| 09:05.05 | jelly | happygilmoregent, on Debian live, the persistence layer is not explicitely mounted anywhere, it just serves as an overlay |
| 09:05.22 | happygilmoregent | ok |
| 09:05.48 | happygilmoregent | does the debian live persistence via ventoy have to be a special format? |
| 09:05.58 | happygilmoregent | xfs/ext(X)? |
| 09:06.02 | jelly | I have no idea what ventoy is. |
| 09:06.09 | happygilmoregent | booting program |
| 09:06.17 | jelly | but ext4 works |
| 09:06.20 | happygilmoregent | kind of like multiusbboot |
| 09:06.21 | happygilmoregent | ok |
| 09:06.33 | happygilmoregent | thanks for your help have a great night |
| 09:07.41 | jelly | well technically https://manpages.debian.org/testing/live-boot-doc/persistence.conf.5.en.html says it's mounted at... eh |
| 09:07.52 | jelly | !next |
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| 09:08.00 | jelly | dpkgone |
| 09:08.10 | themill | dselect: pal jelly |
| 09:08.11 | dselect | points at jelly and laughs uproariously |
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| 09:08.42 | jelly | !ping |
| 09:09.07 | jelly | kicks dpkg_ |
| 09:09.31 | jelly | it's... not identfied, perhaps |
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| 09:13.13 | themill | the excitement was just too much |
| 09:13.14 | jelly | see you soon, dpkg |
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| 09:15.37 | dpkg | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of themill) |
| 09:15.42 | jelly | !ping |
| 09:15.42 | dpkg | Yes, jelly, you are online. |
| 09:15.47 | jelly | no you |
| 09:16.42 | judd | takes dpkg off to the vet for a special visit... |
| 09:18.01 | ratrace | y'all...... y'all?...... the..... the bots........... are getting smarter.... |
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| 09:48.57 | shtrb | If I to pass a usb device to virt-manager , does it mean that my kernel + usb_modeswitch should not do anything on that device ? |
| 09:49.39 | shtrb | [*] need to pass a usb modem to wheezy or jelly as it was last working there |
| 09:49.57 | shtrb | *jessie not jelly |
| 09:50.05 | jelly | no such distro: jelly |
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| 09:50.23 | shtrb | I know, I don't know why I had typed jelly instead of jessie |
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| 09:50.34 | jelly | I am always on your mind |
| 09:50.39 | shtrb | lol |
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| 09:51.50 | jelly | maybe we should have bots in here named jessie, stretch, buster etc so that you can complete release names easily |
| 09:52.14 | shtrb | long live potato ! |
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| 09:53.45 | ratrace | shtrb: it's not pcipassthru if that's what you're asking. it's virtualized access, so your kernel should still load drivers for it |
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| 09:54.07 | shtrb | thanks ratrace |
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| 10:56.57 | cvele | is anyone else having a problem with gedit? there's a weird thing going on with gedit on my machines. The thing is, if I create a file (or edit and save) with gedit and later try to open it with gedit I get Segmentation fault. It's random, sometimes it fails to open, sometimes it opens. I tried creating file with other editors and those files open successfully in gedit. |
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| 11:05.02 | ratrace | "lol gnome" |
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| 11:30.38 | shtrb | ratrace, maybe cvele uses gedit on a different DE ? |
| 11:30.57 | shtrb | cvele, did you report a bug at bugs.debian.org |
| 11:31.24 | ratrace | it's still a gnome product :) |
| 11:31.50 | shtrb | at least not a systemd one |
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| 11:36.19 | cvele | shtrb: i use gnome. no i didn't report a bug |
| 11:36.52 | shtrb | Start by installing dbg packages, and file a bug as soon as you can reproduce that way someone could solve it |
| 11:37.51 | shtrb | There are some good people at #gnome that might know better about your segmentation |
| 11:38.18 | cvele | shtrb: ok, thanx |
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| 11:43.38 | soulz | ;2~ |
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| 14:09.47 | shtrb | would jessie support nvme ? |
| 14:10.27 | shtrb | (reagrding my usb passthrough question before) |
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| 14:40.24 | jelly | "try it and see" |
| 14:41.09 | jelly | you also have linux-image-4.9-amd64 in jessie (ELTS) right now, which may or may not help matters |
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| 15:42.02 | DrBunsen | Hey all, I installed the nouveau driver for my GPU, but I seem to be unable to get it to be set as the renderer. When I run glxinfo it still shows my integrated gpu as the renderer. |
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| 15:52.58 | netcrash | Hello, I have an LV (lvm volume) in debian that does not have a logical path. Can I fix this? |
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| 15:58.36 | karlpinc | netcrash: Have you activeated it? |
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| 15:59.35 | avernos | how can i apply a static network config to an adapter by hardware? on reboot the network name changes and the settings apply to the wrong one |
| 16:00.22 | avernos | ie, if i set wlan0 to a config, on boot wlan0 changes to wlanX |
| 16:00.52 | greycat | Decide what you want the name to be, and set up a systemd.link(5) file to make it assign that name to the interface. Then you can configure the interface by name in /e/n/i or whatever. |
| 16:01.30 | netcrash | karlpinc: How can I activate it? |
| 16:02.34 | karlpinc | I forget. Something along the lines of: vgchange -ay on its volume group. Or maybe lvchange.... |
| 16:02.37 | greycat | Here's an example for an ethernet interface: http://paste.wooledge.org/6089 |
| 16:03.23 | netcrash | karlpinc: thanks will check |
| 16:03.26 | karlpinc | Is wlan0 even one of those "stable network interface names"? |
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| 16:04.53 | greycat | I don't know what happens if you try to use "eth0" as the interface name in the .link file. I didn't want to risk it, so I went with lan0. |
| 16:05.30 | avernos | uhm, nice. ty |
| 16:07.00 | petn-randall | DrBunsen: Is this a laptop with dual GPU_ |
| 16:07.03 | petn-randall | ? |
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| 16:21.45 | EdePopede | is it possible that when one Gtk program is occupied with itself others also have problems reacting? firefox just had to do a bit and for some seconds i didn't have a mouse while hovering hexchat. |
| 16:23.04 | greycat | if there's a resource starvation issue, it's not Gtk. it's the I/O bus or memory or something. |
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| 16:25.04 | EdePopede | yeah, it's a bit lame too sometimes when ffmpeg fixes a broken audio stream as it says. |
| 16:25.54 | EdePopede | and of course memory. htop says 1.55G/1.96G, nearly the whole bar is green again :/ |
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| 16:33.10 | n4dir | on low specs machines i usually have the web-browser falkon installed additionally to firefox (or only falkon, depends) |
| 16:33.34 | n4dir | though that one, falkon, comes with grains of salt (?) too. |
| 16:33.58 | n4dir | in general i just avoid the web, as long possible |
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| 16:40.31 | ratrace | EdePopede: I see that happening when there's swapstorm |
| 16:42.26 | EdePopede | as soon as i'm FINALLY done with upgrading (which includes a stack of thing i'll have to do before) i'll check out some alternatives. and maybe i should learn to restart the browser at least 1 or 2 times a day. to get it back to 30% RAM at least for a while. |
| 16:42.27 | karlpinc | EdePopede: I've never looked at the cause but after a full backup, where the disk buffers are probably full of nothing interesting, I get such delays. |
| 16:43.30 | EdePopede | the other machine with 8GB (even with the 4 it had before) runs MUCH smoother than this one, even a live system with some additional packages added. |
| 16:44.00 | EdePopede | yes, RAM is the key. there's never enough of it. |
| 16:48.20 | avernos | how can I have 2 wifi networks active on 2 different devices? one is a AP the other connects to another wifi network |
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| 16:49.06 | avernos | if i call wpa_supplicant it cannot configure the driver mode |
| 16:49.16 | avernos | perhaps its locked by the other network_ |
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| 17:03.26 | shtrb | avernos, you pass an interface to wpa_supplicant |
| 17:04.35 | avernos | shtrb: i did |
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| 17:04.44 | avernos | wpa_supplicant -B -D nl80211 -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wlan0.conf |
| 17:06.11 | avernos | nl80211: deinit ifname=wlan0 disabled_11b_rates=0 |
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| 17:11.16 | dfff | i have set ufw default deny incoming, yet a webserver running on 8080 from a docker container is serving http requests |
| 17:11.39 | dfff | is there something elementary i am missing here? |
| 17:11.54 | dfff | i have reloaded ufw several times |
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| 17:13.13 | avernos | ufw deny 8080 ? |
| 17:14.25 | dfff | shouldnt default deny incoming have that covered? |
| 17:14.30 | dfff | on all ports |
| 17:14.36 | sney | a container would be affected by the forward chain, not input, assuming ufw makes that distinction |
| 17:14.42 | avernos | perhaps there is another rule somewhere else outside ufw that allows 8080. iptables or something |
| 17:15.13 | avernos | sney, why a container is affecte by fowards? |
| 17:16.05 | dfff | ACCEPT tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 172.18.0.5 tcp dpt:8080 |
| 17:16.20 | dfff | output of iptables -nL | grep 8080 |
| 17:18.23 | dfff | is that something the docker container created to accept any to 172.18.0.5 (assuming that's its ip) |
| 17:19.15 | dfff | 172.17.0.1 is the docker0 interface |
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| 17:35.01 | hansol | can i install debian 10 on DL 580 G7 HP ? |
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| 17:40.09 | greycat | hansol: it'll probably work. I've got Debian on at least one HP Proliant DL 120 G7 |
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| 17:50.56 | sney | servers are usually a safe bet, worst thing might be bnx2 needing firmware |
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| 18:00.44 | avernos | if i have 2 network adapters connected to differnt networks. why are they linked by default? traffic from one goes to another |
| 18:01.09 | avernos | i was expecting this to be declared specifically, but maybe i did something wrong |
| 18:03.18 | sney | are they defined as bridge ports in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:03.30 | avernos | sney: no |
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| 18:03.39 | sney | I'm also pretty sure docker has netfilter integration of some sort, so it may be managing things for you in a way you don't expect |
| 18:04.02 | sney | as for your other question, containers are affected by the forward chain because from a networking perspective, they are a different system than the one with the firewll |
| 18:04.07 | avernos | they are defined with auto |
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| 18:05.06 | avernos | with regards to the last question, its nothing about containers. |
| 18:06.05 | avernos | I asked before because i was curious if I have a program running maybe i had to use a Forwarding rule as well, like the containers |
| 18:07.35 | DrBunsen | petn-randall: Sorry for the late reply. No it is just a desktop with a GPU added to it. |
| 18:07.43 | DrBunsen | My question was: Hey all, I installed the nouveau driver for my GPU, but I seem to be unable to get it to be set as the renderer. When I run glxinfo it still shows my integrated gpu as the renderer. |
| 18:07.50 | hansol | greycat thx |
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| 18:33.43 | aleksei-hash | Hello everybody! I'm in trouble. While starting my PC I'm stuck in the grub menu, I mean I can't naviguate and choose an option. There's also no any timer. Please help!!! |
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| 18:42.13 | wodencafe | aleksei-hash: You should maybe ask ##linux |
| 18:42.34 | ratrace | aleksei-hash: tried another usb port for your keyboard? |
| 18:43.16 | aleksei-hash | No, i'm on laptop. |
| 18:44.23 | aleksei-hash | lol |
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| 20:00.09 | wallbroken | hello |
| 20:00.19 | wallbroken | is possible to automatically upgrade from debian 10 to 11? |
| 20:00.33 | sney | yes but not recommended |
| 20:00.54 | sney | when 11 releases, the release notes will tell you any steps that need to be taken to make sure the upgrade is smooth |
| 20:02.47 | n4dir | not recommended? |
| 20:04.30 | sney | yes, upgrades from one debian stable release to the next one should be done intentionally, in case of any issues. it's a big version jump for a lot of major packages. |
| 20:04.52 | sney | at least, if you're upgrading a bunch of machines, do the first one manually and then fire off the rest with your orchestration tool or whatever |
| 20:05.06 | n4dir | ah, so the "automatically" being the problematic part. |
| 20:05.13 | sney | yes |
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| 20:36.10 | c_nix | hello, is libsane-pixma nonfree? Or it's only in debian experimental? |
| 20:36.58 | c_nix | I dont see it in repo of testing I have |
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| 20:39.15 | c_nix | hmm wait moment I have buster it seems |
| 20:40.17 | c_nix | ah ok it seems i got it installed, at least i see a manpage for it |
| 20:40.34 | c_nix | now the question is why my scaner is not working with it |
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| 20:41.02 | jmcnaught | c_nix: is your scanner listed in the man page? |
| 20:42.02 | c_nix | jmcnaught: yea i just found its only in unstable |
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| 20:42.21 | c_nix | so IMHO problem solced at this moment I have to switch to unstable it seems |
| 20:42.26 | c_nix | *solved |
| 20:42.36 | c_nix | fastens seatbelts |
| 20:42.59 | jmcnaught | c_nix: do you mean that sane-pixma is only on unstable, or support for your particular scanner is only in sane-pixma from unstable? |
| 20:43.32 | c_nix | this particular scaner model is mentioned on man page of libsane-pixma from unstable version of debian |
| 20:43.49 | jmcnaught | what is the model? |
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| 20:44.11 | c_nix | cannon CanoScan LiDE 300 |
| 20:44.45 | c_nix | https://manpages.debian.org/unstable/libsane-common/sane-pixma.5.en.html <- I see it here on list |
| 20:45.05 | c_nix | 2nd line from bottom of list |
| 20:45.06 | jmcnaught | ,checkbackport libsane |
| 20:45.20 | judd | Backporting package libsane in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13). |
| 20:45.57 | jmcnaught | c_nix: you might be able to backport the libsane package from unstable instead of upgrading, if you prefer to stick with Debian stable |
| 20:46.00 | jmcnaught | !ssb |
| 20:46.00 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 20:46.00 | CrystalMath | i just change that compat stuff |
| 20:46.04 | CrystalMath | when i encounter it |
| 20:46.21 | CrystalMath | to make it satisfy, and then it builds fine |
| 20:46.28 | c_nix | im on Buster (dunno if its stable now, havent checked for a while) |
| 20:46.58 | jmcnaught | c_nix: buster is stable |
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| 20:47.08 | CrystalMath | i'm on beowulf now :P |
| 20:47.20 | c_nix | ah ok, I think I installed it when it was testing |
| 20:47.35 | jmcnaught | c_nix: bullseye/testing has the same version of libsane as unstable, probably a better upgrade than unstable. |
| 20:47.48 | CrystalMath | but i was a debian user, until a few days ago... and devuan is just a temporary transition phase, i'm going to slackware |
| 20:48.06 | CrystalMath | then i guess i will leave the channel |
| 20:48.34 | CrystalMath | so long, everyone |
| 20:48.35 | c_nix | are you sure? i dont see that model mentioned on manpage |
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| 20:48.45 | c_nix | is it too old manpage? |
| 20:49.14 | c_nix | or you mean go to testing and install backport |
| 20:49.32 | jmcnaught | ,v libsane |
| 20:49.33 | judd | Package: libsane on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.24-8+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1.0.24-8+deb8u3; stretch: 1.0.25-4.1; buster: 1.0.27-3.2; bullseye: 1.0.31-4; sid: 1.0.31-4 |
| 20:49.48 | jmcnaught | > bullseye: 1.0.31-4; sid: 1.0.31-4 |
| 20:50.21 | c_nix | aahm ok so it seems webpage is not updated as it shows |
| 20:50.21 | c_nix | testing |
| 20:50.26 | c_nix | 1.0.31-3 earlier |
| 20:50.33 | c_nix | on webpage |
| 20:50.41 | c_nix | ok so im updating to testing and will see |
| 20:50.44 | c_nix | thanks a lot |
| 20:51.03 | jmcnaught | c_nix: by the way testing support is on irc.oftc.net in #debian-next |
| 20:51.18 | c_nix | ok, thanks |
| 20:51.47 | c_nix | it says I have to be invited |
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| 20:52.21 | jmcnaught | c_nix: on which network? |
| 20:52.36 | c_nix | ah, sorry right its other network |
| 20:52.42 | c_nix | i checked here |
| 20:52.48 | c_nix | my mistake |
| 20:52.55 | jmcnaught | It's why I mentioned the network before the channel name :) |
| 20:53.29 | c_nix | yea yea is late night here so i can be litle bit foggy in regard to thinking |
| 20:53.54 | c_nix | thanks for all help again |
| 20:53.55 | jmcnaught | well good luck getting your scanner to work |
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| 21:54.22 | ov3rmind | nice UGT cool friends, thanks all for great work! |
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| 22:31.37 | c_nix | moment of truth soon, we eill see if debian testing is going to boot :D |
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| 22:34.00 | DrBunsen | I updated 3 systems to bullseye, no problems. |
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| 22:34.55 | sney | I've been using bullseye on my main system since before this time last year. boot problems are unlikely, but some stuff can be hairy depending on your environment |
| 22:34.59 | c_nix | btw how unstable unstable currently is these days? |
| 22:35.12 | sney | bullseye is frozen, so unstable is slushy. |
| 22:35.19 | sney | !slushy |
| 22:35.19 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
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| 22:42.15 | c_nix | any edvice on "but not configured yet" error? |
| 22:42.20 | c_nix | *advuce |
| 22:42.28 | c_nix | *advice |
| 22:42.36 | sney | out of context, who knows |
| 22:42.50 | c_nix | Package libclutter-imcontext-0.1-bin is not configured yet. |
| 22:42.52 | sney | maybe apt delaying triggers to the end of the run? |
| 22:43.15 | c_nix | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ibus-clutter:amd64: |
| 22:43.15 | dpkg | c_nix: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
| 22:43.23 | sney | 'apt -f install' can sometimes clear stuff up, but random libs being partially installed is not a big problem |
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| 22:44.32 | c_nix | unfortunatly its resistant to that command |
| 22:44.35 | c_nix | umm |
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| 22:49.07 | Mister00X | c_nix: you could also try dpkg --configure -a |
| 22:52.19 | c_nix | unfortunately it produces error about $PATH |
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| 22:52.48 | Mister00X | c_nix: sorry sudo dpkg --configure -a |
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| 22:54.09 | c_nix | yes thats what i tried |
| 22:54.47 | Mister00X | hmm okay then I'm a bit iritated and clueless |
| 22:54.51 | c_nix | dpkg: error: 2 expected programs not found in PATH or not executable |
| 22:54.51 | dpkg | c_nix: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 22:54.53 | sney | why don't you pastebin the whole error output so we're not just blindly guessing at the problem |
| 22:55.12 | c_nix | it seems like time to do it |
| 22:57.16 | c_nix | hmm strange indeed sbin is not in path, lets try update it then |
| 22:57.25 | sney | !buster su |
| 22:57.25 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 22:58.32 | c_nix | aaaah |
| 23:00.57 | c_nix | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/1a54ea38/ |
| 23:01.03 | c_nix | stillthis error remains |
| 23:01.31 | sney | what command produced this output? |
| 23:02.02 | c_nix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:03.24 | sney | ok, this sounds like it's stuck partially upgraded between buster and bullseye. what's your sources.list look like right now? what happens if you 'apt full-upgrade'? |
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| 23:04.33 | c_nix | oh it started downloading packages |
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| 23:19.57 | alex11 | what package are the mkfs tools part of? |
| 23:20.57 | sney | the package for the given filesystem tools |
| 23:21.20 | sney | e.g. mkfs.ext4 is in e2fsprogs, etc |
| 23:21.29 | phogg | util-linux has some, too |
| 23:24.43 | wallbroken | how to unmount a device on debian? |
| 23:24.49 | wallbroken | i have virtualbox guest additions |
| 23:25.18 | sney | umount /path/to/volume |
| 23:25.33 | wallbroken | thanks |
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| 23:25.45 | sney | make sure to close any open files on that device, or open shells, otherwise it will fail with 'device busy' |
| 23:26.01 | wallbroken | ok |
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| 23:30.15 | c_nix | seems like now all is o |
| 23:30.28 | c_nix | thanks |
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| 23:30.36 | c_nix | *OK |
| 23:30.56 | sney | np |
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| 23:33.11 | c_nix | great now scaner is detected |
| 23:33.16 | c_nix | \o/ |
| 23:34.28 | alex11 | \o/ |
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