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| 00:29.49 | c_nix | yea, but im afraid it has a bug for this exact model |
| 00:30.01 | c_nix | and i have to go for a never version |
| 00:30.10 | c_nix | so seems like compiling from sources |
| 00:30.34 | c_nix | yay, frankendebian time |
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| 00:34.09 | jhutchins | c_nix: I had a serial scanner that xsane kept trying to detect as USB. I manually edited the configuration file, and it worked. |
| 00:35.24 | c_nix | hmm https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/1.0.32-0ubuntu1 |
| 00:36.11 | c_nix | jhutchins: it is usb scaner |
| 00:37.31 | c_nix | probably not worth installing that ubuntu stuff tho |
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| 02:21.38 | Urk | Are there any standalone rotation tools for PDF? The rotation tool in Libreoffice 5.1.6.2 doesn't work. |
| 02:21.53 | Urk | I have already posted to #libreoffice, but no one has responded. |
| 02:23.14 | isapgswell | i2c_hid confliting psmouse |
| 02:23.22 | isapgswell | xinput |
| 02:23.40 | isapgswell | xinput return dual touchpad |
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| 02:31.00 | oxek | I'm trying to backport fzf, these are the steps I take and the error I get: https://0x0.st/-ZOZ.txt |
| 02:31.53 | oxek | for unknown reasons, it is trying to look for the package version that is in stable instead of the one in teseting |
| 02:32.02 | oxek | even though I specify fzf/testing |
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| 02:42.12 | sney | oxek: that's a little bit of a known issue, having a deb-src entry without a corresponding deb entry is not how apt is designed to work. it still does work, usually, but you've found one of the examples where it doesn't |
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| 02:42.55 | oxek | ah, so I need to temporarily add a deb line, and be very very careful what I type afterwards |
| 02:43.01 | sney | oxek: a workaround can be rearranging sources.list so the bullseye/sid deb-src entry is parsed earlier, or *temporarily and just for this one package* add a deb line for that source as well |
| 02:43.24 | sney | you can hedge that a little bit by setting Default-Release to buster |
| 02:43.26 | oxek | wait what? The order of entries in sources.list matters? |
| 02:43.36 | sney | it's not supposed to, but sometimes it does |
| 02:43.47 | oxek | that's nice :) |
| 02:43.56 | sney | !default-release |
| 02:43.56 | dpkg | To make buster be preferred over other releases in your sources.list, put APT::Default-Release "buster"; in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ (create if needed). Or use "stretch", "stable" or "testing" (make it match the name used in /etc/apt/sources.list). Note that some apt front-ends like Synaptic are reported to ignore Default-Release. Also ask me about <tum>. |
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| 02:51.39 | oxek | all done now, thanks |
| 02:52.10 | oxek | there really should be some sort of service that automatically creates backports of these trivial-to-backport packages |
| 02:52.57 | sney | not a bad idea |
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| 03:19.00 | Urk | Is open office in the repos? |
| 03:19.17 | sney | libreoffice is |
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| 03:30.42 | norwood67 | i've mounted a win10 drive with CIFS and when I touch a file and look at the ownership on the win10 it is admin instead of the user: the mount is....mount -o credentials=<location>,uid=1000,gid=1000,vers=3.0 //cat/d /mnt/cat/d |
| 03:33.20 | dvs | norwood67: no "users" option? |
| 03:34.04 | norwood67 | that info is in the credentials |
| 03:34.11 | norwood67 | it is a username not admin |
| 03:34.51 | dvs | nope, there's a separate users option |
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| 03:39.08 | norwood67 | i don't see a separate users in man unless you mean username=arg|user=arg |
| 03:40.00 | dvs | man mount |
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| 03:43.55 | norwood67 | do you mean non-superuser mount? t |
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| 03:44.29 | dvs | yes |
| 03:46.12 | norwood67 | that is for the linux side so a user can mount the drive without being superuser, i'm talking about on the windows machine. the file that i create on the mount in linux, is owned by Administrator on the windows machine instead of the user used for the the conneciton |
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| 04:35.49 | Urk | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.16 | abff | Urk is the external hard drive file system ext? |
| 04:37.52 | Urk | abff> /dev/sda8 |
| 04:38.17 | Urk | abff> /media/pdq/56e844af-585d-477e-887b-a1931858c6b6/pdq/Documents |
| 04:38.50 | Urk | Maybe something like chmod x+ x+ ?? |
| 04:39.28 | Urk | Ctr L reveals /media/pdq/56e844af-585d-477e-887b-a1931858c6b6/pdq/Documents |
| 04:40.06 | abff | What does blkid /dev/sda8 say for TYPE |
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| 04:41.15 | abff | Urk if it's ext2/3/4 you need to be the owner, if not using chown you can make it yours, then use chmod to change the access |
| 04:41.46 | Urk | abff> Its ext4. It was mine when it was on the laptop next to me. |
| 04:42.04 | Urk | sda8 currently doesnt have executable permission. |
| 04:42.11 | Urk | At least based on ls -l |
| 04:42.30 | Urk | I had this same problem when the hard drive enclosure was on the other computer, and I don't recall what I did to fix it. |
| 04:43.17 | abff | okay well usually only executable files and directories get executable permissions |
| 04:44.12 | Urk | abff: The documents folder has stuff going in and out of it. |
| 04:45.55 | abff | can you put 'ls -la /path/to/exteral/mount' into paste.debian.net |
| 04:48.47 | abff | also add 'mount | egrep /dev/sda8' |
| 04:50.06 | Urk | abff> Weird, this time the folder structure came right up, and so did the executable permissions http://paste.debian.net/1188966/ |
| 04:50.57 | abff | shrugs |
| 04:51.08 | abff | can you do the work you need to now? |
| 04:51.58 | Urk | abff> Nope, it still won't let me into the direcory. I know this is just a permissions issue, but forgot the syntax. |
| 04:52.35 | abff | You'll notice a lot of those files are owned by the user 'ricky' is your username on this new machine also ricky? |
| 04:52.54 | abff | I'm assuming it's pdq |
| 04:54.17 | Urk | http://paste.debian.net/1188968/ |
| 04:55.10 | Urk | ricky was a user I created, but the plan is to give ricky superuser privileges, and explore deleting pdq. ricky is owned by pdq at this time. The folder structure of pdq is messed up, but apparently there is nothing wrong with XDG |
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| 04:55.31 | Urk | I will likely change Ricky's name to pdq after pdq is deleted. |
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| 04:57.12 | abff | well if you're trying to access these files as pdq you'll only be able to read them |
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| 04:57.30 | Urk | abff> How do I change that? |
| 04:57.44 | Urk | I had this same problem on the other machine, and forgot what I did to fix it. |
| 04:57.48 | abff | If you check 'man chmod' the third paragraph explains the meaning of all those rwx before file names |
| 04:58.15 | abff | currently users in the pdq group can only read those files |
| 04:58.33 | Urk | read, write, and execute. Would this be something like /dev/sda8 chmod x+ x+ /media-path? |
| 04:59.20 | abff | well I'm not sure of the user structure |
| 05:00.21 | abff | but if you want the whole user group to be allowed to write use 'chmod -R g+w /media/yada/Documents' |
| 05:01.21 | abff | and you can do g+x for any binary files you need to execute |
| 05:01.50 | abff | I suggest you read 'man chmod' carefully too |
| 05:02.44 | Urk | abff> I want write permisions just for myself, and ricky, and not anyone else on the system. |
| 05:03.53 | abff | so long as yourself and ricky are the only users in the pdq group, that should be fine |
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| 05:04.39 | abff | there are a few directories there that are still in the 'ricky' group |
| 05:04.58 | abff | you should change their group to pdq as well |
| 05:05.11 | abff | if I understand your setup correctly |
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| 05:17.59 | Urk | abff: There are no directors on the hard drive enclosure that have been read by Ricky. |
| 05:19.43 | abff | That doesn't matter, each individual file and directory has an owner user and an owner group associated with it. Specifically 'Mail' and 'Pensions' |
| 05:19.53 | Urk | My main concern is being able to get access to the documents on the hard drive enclosure and I am not getting anywhere. I ran chmod u+rwx g+rwx root@localhost: /dev /media/pdq/56e844af-585d-477e-887b-a1931858c6b6/pdq/Documents and get an error no such file or directory. |
| 05:19.58 | abff | are under the 'ricky' group |
| 05:20.37 | abff | okay firstly do not apply +x to every single file |
| 05:20.40 | Urk | abff: Not that I am aware of. Ricky is just a user. |
| 05:21.06 | abff | every user has a group associated with them by default |
| 05:21.29 | Urk | As far as I know, Ricky is associated with the pdf group. |
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| 05:23.18 | abff | secondly, all of the user based permissions are fine |
| 05:23.28 | abff | we only need to correct the group permissions |
| 05:24.23 | abff | thirdly, the option -R will apply changes recursively, without it you would only be changing the permissions of the directories directly inside the Documents dir |
| 05:24.54 | abff | so this time, use 'chmod -R g+w /your/dir' |
| 05:28.34 | abff | lastly, the format you made was incorrect, it though g+rwx was the file you were trying to modify |
| 05:29.21 | abff | if you want to update user and group permissions simultaenously chmod recognizes commands like ug+rw |
| 05:29.30 | abff | or go-w |
| 05:29.31 | Urk | abff: I assume I need to reboot for the changes to take effect? |
| 05:29.49 | abff | you shouldn't |
| 05:30.49 | Urk | http://paste.debian.net/1188970/ |
| 05:31.24 | abff | and be sure to only apply +x to files that are specically files you want to be able to execute, like programs or scripts |
| 05:31.28 | Urk | Documents folder is still blocked. |
| 05:31.42 | abff | what do you mean by blocked |
| 05:31.51 | abff | how are you trying to access it? |
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| 05:32.05 | Urk | abff: via the gui |
| 05:32.39 | abff | and you're logged in as pdq? |
| 05:32.51 | Urk | yes |
| 05:33.05 | Urk | Looks like all drives on the media are now mounted as well. |
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| 05:33.36 | Urk | sda8 is where the data is |
| 05:33.56 | abff | what gui is this anyway? |
| 05:34.03 | Urk | xfce |
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| 05:36.29 | Urk | abff: Incidentally the folder structure in pdq is corrupted, and there is no home, downloads, pictures, etc, etc. This isn't a problem in ricky, and XDG appears to be ok |
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| 05:38.20 | abff | corrupted how? |
| 05:39.18 | Urk | abff: It just opened up, and everything is working. I'm just trying to understand what is going on. So pdq had to become part of the pdq group? |
| 05:39.46 | abff | What changed since it started working? |
| 05:40.01 | Urk | abff: not sure how the folder structure became corrupted, but suspect it happened when trying to reset the panel control in xfce. |
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| 05:41.46 | abff | I'm not exactly sure how xfce works but that sounds unlikely |
| 05:41.52 | Urk | abff: I reran the command with -R. I had done that with earlier commands, but had only done it with the user |
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| 05:42.14 | abff | ah |
| 05:42.29 | Urk | abff: Too late to do it tonight, but making ricky independent of pdq and deleting pdq is something I would like to explore. |
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| 05:43.07 | abff | yeah each file is associated with a user and a group, you needed to make sure the files would allow the group pdq to read and write them |
| 05:43.46 | abff | That sounds a little convoluted to me, but I can't say I fully understand the intention here |
| 05:44.23 | Urk | abff: I don't think pdq is repairable or at least not within my understanding. |
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| 05:44.53 | Urk | Am I correct that if I delete pdq then ricky would be deleted as well because ricky i part of the pdq group? |
| 05:45.36 | abff | you should also 'chown -R :pdq /your/Documents/Mail /your/Documents/Pensions' |
| 05:46.20 | abff | No, I don't think so, but the intricacies of user groups is beyond my experience |
| 05:47.25 | Urk | Why should I chown -R :pdq /yourDocuments/Mail/your/Documents/Pensions? |
| 05:47.41 | abff | Those are the last two directories that are not part of the pdq group, and therefore are inaccessible by the pdq user |
| 05:48.06 | abff | unless the pdq user is part of the ricky group |
| 05:48.44 | abff | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.49 | Urk | abff: I don't think it is installed. |
| 05:49.55 | abff | wha |
| 05:50.54 | abff | It's called thunar |
| 05:50.58 | Urk | wha? |
| 05:51.34 | abff | I was just expressing confusion |
| 05:51.59 | Urk | abff: I have synaptic |
| 05:53.29 | abff | well I don't know anything about that man |
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| 05:54.56 | Urk | abff: I have been able to get into pensions and mail. |
| 05:55.15 | abff | all right well disregard that advice for now |
| 05:55.16 | Urk | abff: Thanks for your help. Looks like I need to do some studying of groups, etc. |
| 05:55.34 | abff | Yes, there should be a few good resources online |
| 05:55.48 | abff | I wish you success |
| 05:57.55 | abff | and try to keep your solutions simple, I don't know exactlt what you did to screw up your folders but what you're trying to do with multiple users and migrating one to the other sounds a little convoluted |
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| 05:58.23 | abff | make sure to really learn how chmod and chown work and how they relate to the file system |
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| 06:03.24 | Urk | abff: yes, and thanks for your help. I am trying to figure out how to rotate an entire page in libreoffice draw. Not sure it can be done. May need GIMP |
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| 07:07.07 | jaggz | where do I add grub entries on a debian system? |
| 07:07.13 | jaggz | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT need to add a this thingy |
| 07:07.34 | jaggz | I guess. Supposedly it might help my system recognize the motherboard fans?? |
| 07:07.36 | jaggz | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi_enforce_resources=lax" |
| 07:07.44 | jaggz | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.58 | jaggz | oh I do have a grub file at /etc/default/grub |
| 07:10.20 | diogenes_ | yep there. |
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| 07:18.43 | jaggz | diogenes_, hey! |
| 07:19.12 | diogenes_ | jaggz, hey! |
| 07:19.32 | jaggz | :) |
| 07:19.33 | jaggz | bb rebooting |
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| 07:24.13 | jaggz | yeah, still getting "/usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed" |
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| 07:54.56 | diogenes_ | jaggz, getting where? |
| 07:55.07 | jaggz | diogenes_, when running pwmconfig |
| 07:55.16 | jaggz | trying to get my system to recognize my motherboard's fans |
| 07:56.12 | diogenes_ | jaggz, maybe you need a newer kernel. |
| 07:57.35 | jaggz | diogenes_, pretty fresh install of linux... but also a relatively new motherboard I guess |
| 07:57.53 | jaggz | diogenes_, doing a system upgrade.. new kernel is in the updates so .. hopefully the right timing |
| 07:58.31 | jaggz | brb |
| 07:58.33 | diogenes_ | jaggz, are you on stable Buster? |
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| 08:21.13 | Dude-Meister | Is there a way i can make global folder setting changes using Nemo 3.8.5 |
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| 08:23.43 | Dude-Meister | Wow. I just figured it out all by my self. :) |
| 08:24.00 | Dude-Meister | Edit-> Prefrences |
| 08:24.06 | Dude-Meister | {thud} |
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| 08:49.59 | genr8 | If something gets OOM Killed, is there a logfile message ? |
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| 09:03.16 | TheBigK02 | genr8: in /var/log/kern.log ofc |
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| 09:06.05 | genr8 | thanks |
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| 09:28.34 | wrksx | Hey, what's the use for a 127.0.1.1 "record" in /etc/hosts? Do I need it if my server has a public IP and it is setup in the hosts file like <IP> <hostname>.<domain>.com <hostname>? |
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| 09:33.47 | ratrace | wrksx: it's a debian specific workaround for a gnome bug. you can safely remove it even if you run gnome I think. you definitely need to specify your public IP for your hosntame(s) if you want your machine to be aware of its public hostname |
| 09:34.28 | ratrace | more info here: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_hostname_resolution |
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| 09:38.19 | wrksx | ratrace: right, this is a headless web server it has no GUI anyway. I'll remove that, thanks for the help. Will also read that documentation, seems quite comprehensive |
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| 10:31.39 | ratrace | debian recommended packages are really dumb sometimes... install smem, pull in entire friggin matplotlib, including parts of QT ......... |
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| 10:32.02 | ratrace | AND gtk... |
| 10:32.43 | jelly | and sometimes they're actually sensible, so you can't just -R |
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| 10:33.17 | ratrace | I tend to always -R, inspect what would be installed by recommends, and then I make a decision |
| 10:33.52 | ksk | ratrace: maybe we could move _some_ of these dependencies into something Snap or NodeJS based? Is NodeJS in Snap a thing? /hides |
| 10:34.02 | ksk | s/dependencies/recommends/ |
| 10:35.30 | ratrace | ksk: you know very well that nodejs in a snap is most likely a thing :) |
| 10:36.16 | ratrace | but in case of smem here, matplotlib should really be a suggests not a recommends. |
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| 10:37.53 | another | oh god. it actually is |
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| 14:16.10 | ratrace | can anyone recommend an extension to fully, truly, actually block video autoplay in firefox-esr? |
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| 14:27.52 | ksk | ratrace: hum, could you provide a sample of stuff that "should not play, but plays" for you, so to say? |
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| 14:28.27 | ratrace | ksk: reddit |
| 14:29.07 | ksk | can confirm :D |
| 14:33.55 | ratrace | :) |
| 14:34.01 | ksk | ratrace: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/block-autoplay |
| 14:34.33 | ksk | It was on "block audio" over here, and seems to just work if you set it to "block video&audio". |
| 14:34.48 | ratrace | there's a bunch of them, thought maybe there's a "known" gold standard or something, like ublockorigin is |
| 14:35.56 | ksk | oof, it does only partially help, as soon as you mouseoever the elements containing video they do start playing, still. |
| 14:36.10 | ratrace | actually in my case they play anyway, mouse or not, as you start scrolling down |
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| 14:36.26 | ratrace | I suspect JS trigger.... the reddit developers should be TARRED AND FEATHERED and banned from webapp industry FOR LIFE |
| 14:36.41 | ratrace | (and their managers acutually shot) |
| 14:37.23 | ratrace | I know some of them are here, so pay attention noobs. quite while your skin is still silky smooth. |
| 14:37.31 | ratrace | *quit |
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| 15:17.54 | jelly | ,v curl |
| 15:17.55 | judd | Package: curl on amd64 -- jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u11; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u16; stretch: 7.52.1-5+deb9u10; stretch-proposed-updates: 7.52.1-5+deb9u10; stretch-security: 7.52.1-5+deb9u10; buster: 7.64.0-4+deb10u1; buster-security: 7.64.0-4+deb10u1; bullseye: 7.74.0-1.1; sid: 7.74.0-1.1 |
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| 15:30.05 | PuttySandwich | Does anyone know how to disable battery mode on a laptop? I'm using an old laptop to mine bitcoin and I can't get the miner to start because it thinks the laptop is running on the battery (It isn't. The battery doesn't work anymore and it's plugged in) |
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| 15:31.30 | petn-randall | PuttySandwich: What does the bitcoin miner do to think it's running on battery? |
| 15:31.56 | petn-randall | PuttySandwich: I'd check the docs to that software, I'm sure there's a setting to override that behaviour. |
| 15:32.01 | PuttySandwich | Unsure, I' |
| 15:32.17 | PuttySandwich | m using Cudo and the GUI says it's running on battery. |
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| 15:34.10 | PuttySandwich | Sorry petn-randall I'm using Cudo and the GUI says it cannot start because the system is on battery |
| 15:34.23 | PuttySandwich | Hmmm |
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| 15:35.21 | petn-randall | PuttySandwich: And you have a bunch of ASICs connected to that laptop? |
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| 15:36.15 | PuttySandwich | petn-randall, No. I'm literally just installing it on that laptop. |
| 15:38.33 | ratrace | PuttySandwich: literally bitcoin, or do you mean some of the easier cryptocurrencies? |
| 15:38.35 | petn-randall | PuttySandwich: Then you're spending more money on electricity, and you'll be getting a few cents a year in bitcoins back. |
| 15:39.18 | wr | want to password protect some folders on a Debian, what could i use? |
| 15:39.19 | ratrace | that's what I was aiming at. bitcoin has stopped being profitable unless you have literally free electricity, years ago |
| 15:39.21 | PuttySandwich | petn-randall, No. I'm mining Monero |
| 15:40.03 | petn-randall | Ah, ok. Bitcoin is not a generic term for cryptocurrencies then. |
| 15:40.39 | PuttySandwich | My apologies, I was more concerned about the power issue than the specificity of the mining |
| 15:41.42 | petn-randall | PuttySandwich: If you didn't find anything in the documentation, you could just unplug the battery instead. |
| 15:43.09 | PuttySandwich | petn-randall, Unfortunately it has an integrated battery |
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| 16:06.25 | jelly | PuttySandwich, what does" cat /sys/class/power_supply/AC/online" say? |
| 16:07.06 | PuttySandwich | jelly, "No such file or directory" |
| 16:07.46 | jelly | PuttySandwich, is there anything in /sys/class/power_supply/ at all? Which debian release is this and which kernel? |
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| 16:10.46 | PuttySandwich | jelly, I have two symlinks. One points to "/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNP0A08:00/ACPI0003:00/power_supply/AC0" and the second to "/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNP0A08:00/PNP0C0A:00/power_supply/BAT0" |
| 16:11.15 | jelly | okay, so what does "cat /sys/class/power_supply/AC0/online" say |
| 16:11.17 | PuttySandwich | jelly, both are directories |
| 16:11.51 | PuttySandwich | jelly, AHA, the power file is there in BAT0 |
| 16:12.22 | PuttySandwich | jelly, Sorry, "power" is a directory |
| 16:12.48 | jelly | not asking about that. Asking about AC. |
| 16:13.36 | jelly | or in your case, AC0, if it says it's online, it means the machine is connected to, well, AC power |
| 16:14.14 | jelly | so then you hunt for bugs in the tool that reports the incorrect thing and fix it there. Presumably the "Cudo" thing is open source |
| 16:14.37 | PuttySandwich | jelly, Yeah, it is set to 1 |
| 16:14.46 | jelly | so that's fine |
| 16:15.28 | jelly | try unplugging AC for a couple seconds, plug it back, and see if the tool stops complaining |
| 16:15.35 | PuttySandwich | jelly, Very cool. In the meantime is there a way for me to tell the system to ignore the fact that it even has a battery? Make it think it's a desktop etc? |
| 16:17.01 | jelly | I don't know. We'd have to figure out what, specifically, the tool is checking, and then make it think otherwise |
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| 16:42.57 | oxek | how come my wireguard connection did not drop out during an upgrade of wireguard-dkms? I thought the installation has to unload the kernel module, delete the files, build a new module and load that module. |
| 16:42.58 | tinga | What is the correct way to create a system user without user interaction (setting full name, room etc. fields to the empty string)? `adduser` does not have options to specify those. `useradd` may not do some other things that adduser does. |
| 16:43.00 | oxek | what magic is this? |
| 16:43.53 | oxek | tinga: adduser is just a "frontend" to useradd |
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| 16:44.38 | tinga | The detail is in the "just". |
| 16:44.46 | tinga | Otherwise I wouldn't be asking :) |
| 16:45.03 | tinga | I'm trying to run adduser < /dev/null and see what it does |
| 16:45.21 | oxek | tinga: well, `man adduser` lists all the flags you can add when invoking it, which prevents it from asking you anything. |
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| 16:45.53 | imMute | oxek: it probably doesn't unload the module until the build is complete. and the wireguard connection might have gone down and come back up so quickly that you didn't notice a few dropped packets. |
| 16:46.23 | tinga | I never remember where fullname etc. are going, possibly GECOS, but then empty GECOS string might be false because it needs some separators... |
| 16:46.31 | oxek | tinga: the flag you're looking for is --gecos, |
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| 16:47.48 | oxek | imMute: the odd thing is that the informational messages during upgrade specifically said 'unloading module' and 'deleting module' (unless I'm remembering wrong) |
| 16:48.01 | tinga | So the answer is, it's ugly. Fine. |
| 16:48.03 | PuttySandwich | jelly, Thank you very much sir |
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| 16:48.16 | imMute | oxek: sure, but did "unloading module" come before or after "compiling" |
| 16:48.20 | oxek | tinga: why is it ugly? |
| 16:48.42 | tinga | Since it's embedding a string api in a arguments api. See what I said |
| 16:49.16 | oxek | imMute: I think before compiling, but suddenly I'm not so sure |
| 16:49.42 | oxek | I need to start doing asciinema logs before these operations... |
| 16:50.02 | oxek | (or is there a better tool for that?) |
| 16:50.08 | tinga | "adduser --disabled-password --gecos= foof6" doesn't work, "adduser --disabled-password --gecos "" foof7", and it *does* add the missing commas for that field, glad about that, calling it a day. Thanks. |
| 16:50.42 | oxek | oh, my bad, I did not intend to put the comma there |
| 16:51.02 | imMute | oxek: I've used "script" before |
| 16:51.36 | oxek | imMute: I tried using `script` before, but it wanted some timing information and timing file, which I did not understand so I did not end up using it |
| 16:53.03 | norwood67 | i've mounted a win10 drive with CIFS and when I touch a file and look at the ownership on the win10 it is admin instead of the user account used for mounting: the mount is....mount -o credentials=<location>,uid=1000,gid=1000,vers=3.0 //cat/d /mnt/cat/d |
| 16:53.48 | craigevi1 | !backport |
| 16:53.48 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 16:55.45 | krad | hi. how to do port forward from one interface's ip:port to another interface ip:port residing on the same host? |
| 16:56.20 | oxek | craigevi1: are you sure your credentials file contains the correct user? |
| 16:56.20 | krad | 192.168.0.105:8080 to 192.168.49.1:8080 |
| 16:56.37 | krad | enp1s0 to br-4b6897045773 |
| 16:57.01 | oxek | craigevi1: windows will create those files as owned by the username specified in credentials file |
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| 16:58.02 | oxek | craigevi1: this is what I use: mount -t cifs -o username=username_on_windows_machine,uid=$USER,gid=$USER,file_mode=0644,dir_mode=0755 //myserver/myshare /mnt/myshare |
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| 17:18.00 | another | krad: search for nftables, dnat |
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| 17:27.27 | cybrNaut | Debian vs elementaryOS.. Debian is winning: https://mastodon.online/@freetechproject/105877052939989003 |
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| 17:52.24 | craigevi1 | huh? |
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| 18:05.51 | jelly | cybrNaut, their choice of initial 16 distros is... interesting, no arch |
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| 18:08.10 | Budd | Is there an easy way to rename a user? Editing /etc/passwd and /etc/group works, bit is tricky to script. |
| 18:08.27 | greycat | and /etc/shadow, and mv /home/olduser /home/newuser |
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| 18:08.34 | greycat | and you don't script it |
| 18:08.36 | greycat | you do it by hand |
| 18:09.08 | n4dir | what i do remember is that you find quite a few cases of the username in the config files in ~/.config . Now wether that leads to problems later is a source of long lasting discussions |
| 18:09.08 | Budd | Yes, those too. The main trick is ensuring that a search-and-replace won't change innocent bystander lines. |
| 18:09.20 | centrx | Any ideas on troubleshooting a new install where X freezes on startx, but not much info in the logs? |
| 18:10.37 | Budd | I'm trying to write a script to modify the stock Raspbian distribution for my home setup (username, SSH keys, mesh networking, custom systemd services, etc.) |
| 18:11.04 | Budd | I can certainly do it by adding and deleting users instead; just thought renaming might be simpler. |
| 18:11.30 | ratrace | Budd: usermod can be used and scripted for all that |
| 18:11.53 | ratrace | also mind the home dir as greycat implied |
| 18:12.06 | cybrNaut | jelly: isn't manjaro arch-based? |
| 18:12.14 | n4dir | sure is |
| 18:12.26 | greycat | also if the user has a crontab, you'll need to rename it in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
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| 18:14.16 | Budd | I'm warming up to systemd timers, so I probably won't use cron. |
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| 18:15.27 | Budd | ratrace: Ah - I hadn't found usermod - thanks! |
| 18:15.43 | greycat | .. you do NOT script this shit. seriously. what the fuck. |
| 18:16.15 | ratrace | why not |
| 18:16.23 | greycat | :facepalm: |
| 18:16.57 | ratrace | there's no black magick in system user names. there's a bit of non-obvious side effects (home dir, crontab) but nothing magickal or special about it |
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| 18:17.18 | ratrace | greycat: so give me one reason why not |
| 18:17.46 | greycat | Renaming a user is a once-in-a-decade thing that you'll need to do by hand because there will be TONS of config files you'll miss, scattered all over the known universe. |
| 18:17.47 | Budd | I'm customizing new stock systems - no data to lose, and I want it to work with future versions of the stock system. |
| 18:18.10 | greycat | If it's NEW then there IS NO USER TO RENAME. |
| 18:18.12 | greycat | QED |
| 18:18.33 | ratrace | greycat: or, like explained in this case, it's a post installation customization of freshly installed raspbian |
| 18:18.43 | greycat | oh, *plonk* |
| 18:18.52 | greycat | that simplifies everything |
| 18:18.58 | greycat | You're off topic. Go away. |
| 18:19.10 | ratrace | also... "tons of config files you'll miss" would affect both scripting and "doing it manually", so it's a nonargument |
| 18:19.32 | greycat | the config files won't all be on one computer. |
| 18:19.44 | ratrace | even less of a valid argument |
| 18:20.01 | greycat | *shrug* Raspbian problems are not my problems. |
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| 18:23.57 | greycat | "I want to rename a user" is one thing. "I want to create a brand new template system that becomes the master image for a bunch of new installs, and I want to create a placeholder user within the master image, and on each instance, I want to rename that user" is a WHOLE different thing. |
| 18:24.57 | greycat | One of them is an order of magnitude harder than the other. Guess which one it is. |
| 18:26.06 | greycat | I was assuming that when the offtopic asshole asked how to rename a user, they wanted to rename an existing user on a Debian system. The first one. Somehow though, everyone else understood they meant the second thing. |
| 18:28.06 | oerheks | greycat, oem install comes in mind |
| 18:28.31 | oerheks | but yes, it is a silly appoach |
| 18:29.03 | pasiz | but how i may rename my user ;) |
| 18:29.30 | oskie | hi, I have a little problem: load average (5min) is ~4 and has been for a few hours, but according to 'top' there are rarely any processes using CPU and no zombies. Any ideas? Could it be some kind of kernel task using the CPU? |
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| 18:30.10 | ratrace | yes, all "tasks" contribute to loadavg |
| 18:30.13 | Budd | I think processes waiting on disk count towards the load average. |
| 18:30.15 | pasiz | oskie: so no cpu load according to top |
| 18:30.19 | ratrace | (iowait included so cpu% is not indication) |
| 18:32.10 | oskie | pasiz: right, %Cpu(s) is < 1% for both user and system |
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| 18:33.34 | oskie | I'm considering reboot but it is always scary |
| 18:33.36 | ratrace | oskie: what about 1 and 10 minute loadavgs? |
| 18:34.06 | oskie | ratrace: almost exactly the same as 1min - between 4.20 and 4.50 |
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| 18:34.40 | oskie | (1min/5min/15min) |
| 18:36.11 | oskie | ah I think I found the problem... cifs mounts where the remote host is gone |
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| 18:37.22 | oskie | yeah, that was it. There was 4 of them. Load is back to normal now. |
| 18:38.24 | ratrace | oskie: were they in D state? |
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| 18:41.37 | oskie | ratrace: hmm, could be - likely in fact - I forgot to check for that! too focused looking for Z state processes :) |
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| 18:58.10 | greycat | Zombies do not contribute to load. They are not proceses any more. They're ex-processes. They're pining for the fjords. |
| 18:58.23 | norwood67 | when i look at the ownership of a mount.cifs drive, it show it is mounted by the default admin account: OWNER:S-1-5-21... instead of the user used in the credentials. looks like cifsacl option to get the ownership set to the right user but i'm kind of lost on who to set that up. |
| 18:58.44 | norwood67 | who=how |
| 18:59.07 | isapgswell | how to disable builtin feature linux? |
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| 19:00.04 | greycat | !wayttd |
| 19:00.04 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 19:01.08 | isapgswell | dpkg trying to disable vesafb |
| 19:01.08 | dpkg | isapgswell: no idea |
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| 19:28.29 | yahal | I like to use alpine in a systemd-nspawn container. If I login with systemd-nspawn -D <path> -U --machine <name> on my debian environment I get this message: "-sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" |
| 19:28.46 | yahal | any clue to solve this? |
| 19:30.33 | greycat | are you launching an interactive login shell? it sounds like you're running /bin/sh rather than a typical shell like bash or zsh. who knows what other limitations you're introducing... I have no idea what "login with systemd-nspawn" means. |
| 19:30.33 | greycat | also, if there's no terminal, well, that's going to be am issue |
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| 19:31.55 | greycat | hmm, the -sh does imply that it's a login shell, at least |
| 19:31.58 | ZenWalker | in which package is the command dget? |
| 19:32.03 | greycat | ,file bin/dget |
| 19:32.08 | judd | Search for bin/dget in buster/amd64: devscripts: usr/bin/dget |
| 19:34.45 | ZenWalker | I mean debian package, which is the debian package with command dget? |
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| 19:38.57 | oerheks | ZenWalker, devscripts |
| 19:41.01 | ZenWalker | oerheks: yes thanks, with 'dpkg -S /usr/bin/dget' I found it :) |
| 19:41.19 | greycat | judd told us that it's in devscripts. that was the whole point. |
| 19:41.47 | oerheks | indeed greycat, but now he understands judd a bit more, i guess |
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| 19:46.45 | ZenWalker | greycat: oerheks: ah yes, you are right :) |
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| 19:51.52 | tcurdt | I just found ssh keys at /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*_key* ... is that "normal"? |
| 19:52.01 | greycat | those are the host keys, yes. |
| 19:52.33 | tcurdt | what are those used for? |
| 19:52.56 | greycat | They're unique to each host (sshd server instance). They prevent man-in-the-middle attacks by allowing you to verify you're talking to the right host. |
| 19:53.00 | petn-randall | tcurdt: To identify the server. |
| 19:53.57 | tcurdt | do they provide the fingerprints for known_hosts? |
| 19:54.11 | greycat | a fingerprint is a shortened version of the host key |
| 19:55.26 | yahal | greycat, sry to forget to answer alpine starts with ash as default. A shell is opened, but I like to solve this message, bevfore I go productive with alpine under a debian host |
| 19:56.29 | tcurdt | were the host keys always at that location? I recall other times |
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| 19:56.58 | petn-randall | AFFAIR they've always been there. |
| 19:57.03 | petn-randall | *AFAIR |
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| 19:59.16 | tcurdt | might have been other distros .. seems e.g. on raspbian they are somewhere else |
| 20:01.04 | greycat | if you build upstream OpenSSH on some commercial Unix, they'll probably be in /usr/local/etc |
| 20:01.20 | greycat | Debian has always had them in /etc/ssh/ as far as I can recall |
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| 20:04.10 | tcurdt | anyway ... I ended up looking there because I have a user where I just cannot get publickey auth working |
| 20:04.16 | tcurdt | and I am running out of ideas |
| 20:04.32 | greycat | https://mywiki.wooledge.org/SshKeys |
| 20:04.36 | tcurdt | other users work just fine but here https://gist.github.com/tcurdt/abe3943468ce20b4c2831f0c4a6cb352 |
| 20:04.43 | greycat | host keys have nothing to do with it |
| 20:05.05 | greycat | if other users works, that's great -- it rules out a bunch of possibilities |
| 20:05.49 | tcurdt | I know - just came across the keys while looking around |
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| 20:06.02 | tcurdt | "The rejection of a key cannot be diagnosed from the client side at all" this is great |
| 20:06.10 | greycat | On the server, ls -ld / /home /home/thatuser /home/thatuser/.ssh /home/thatuser/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 20:07.03 | greycat | unless of course your home directories are somewhere other than /home |
| 20:07.36 | ratrace | the server logs would have all the clues |
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| 20:07.42 | greycat | they may. |
| 20:07.46 | tcurdt | permissions should be fine ... same as other users ... but this here sound promissing .... sshd -p 2200 -d |
| 20:07.51 | greycat | !should |
| 20:07.51 | dpkg | well, should is a word to use in moderation, unless of course it involves something that you either paid someone else to do, or are willing to do yourself. don't should on me and I won't should on you. |
| 20:08.03 | greycat | Gah, that's not a good factoid. |
| 20:08.20 | ratrace | "Should" per RFC2119 |
| 20:08.35 | greycat | Don't the rfcs use SHALL for mandates? |
| 20:08.41 | tcurdt | maybe I am looking at the wrong server logs - but there isn't much in there |
| 20:08.57 | ratrace | tcurdt: pastebin? |
| 20:09.03 | greycat | In any case, "the permissions should be fine" is bad. Don't assume. Check them. I even typed out the command for you, though you'll have to replace the userame. |
| 20:09.57 | ratrace | but with openssh, the server side logs usually, mostly, in most cases, indicate the issue |
| 20:09.59 | tcurdt | greycat: I know I know ... just because the user got created the same way with ansible ... and I double checked the permissions |
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| 20:10.24 | ratrace | when they didn't, in my experience, was for example when PAM threw a wrench in the otherwise smooth operation of openssh-server |
| 20:10.39 | greycat | I'd expect a PAM issue to block all users, though, not just one. |
| 20:10.46 | ratrace | true that. |
| 20:11.14 | ratrace | tcurdt: but really, please pastebin the server side logs. by default, /var/log/auth.log will have those, or use journalctl -u ssh.service |
| 20:11.45 | greycat | and if you can't figure it out from the logs, pastebin the output of the ls -ld / /home ... command |
| 20:11.46 | tcurdt | yes, I will prepare something ... on it |
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| 20:20.34 | tcurdt | btw: any thoughts on ed25519 vs rsa/4096? |
| 20:24.40 | isapgswell | who to disable builtin feature linux? |
| 20:25.01 | isapgswell | how? |
| 20:26.32 | ratrace | isapgswell: disable what, and why? |
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| 20:31.13 | greycat | That's two. |
| 20:31.38 | ratrace | kick on three? :) |
| 20:31.54 | greycat | Maybe ignore, maybe not. I wouldn't /kick though. |
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| 20:36.01 | isapgswell | ratrace disable vesafb |
| 20:36.35 | ratrace | isapgswell: why? |
| 20:36.50 | isapgswell | ratrace because i am using kms |
| 20:36.55 | karlpinc | tcurdt: You can do a -vvv on the client side, just to see if the permissions on your key/containing directory/etc are wrong and you're not even doing key auth. |
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| 20:39.20 | ratrace | isapgswell: normally you don't have to disable vesa (and otoh I'm not sure which module it is, but one way would be to blacklist it in /etc/modprobe.d/ ) .. the gpu drivers for your gpu would take over automatically |
| 20:39.31 | ratrace | isapgswell: so, what kind of problem are you having that you think you have to disable vesafb? |
| 20:41.35 | isapgswell | ratrace i think my intel gpu is allocating framebuffer to a monitor it do not handle |
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| 20:42.06 | isapgswell | ratrace i have a g7 7588 optimus capable |
| 20:42.17 | isapgswell | ratrace my profile is ondemand |
| 20:42.44 | isapgswell | ratrace when i ran on external monitor handled by nvidia, things lag |
| 20:42.48 | isapgswell | ratrace video lag |
| 20:42.56 | ratrace | eh optimus.... good luck with that on linux. |
| 20:43.00 | isapgswell | ratrace only cursor do not lags |
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| 20:44.30 | ratrace | isapgswell: you can look into /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see which drivers are loaded, and what is effectively used |
| 20:44.49 | isapgswell | ratrace both intel and nvidia |
| 20:45.19 | isapgswell | ratrace both dri2 |
| 20:46.20 | isapgswell | ratrace (II) modeset(0): [DRI2] DRI driver: iris | (II) NVIDIA(G0): [DRI2] VDPAU driver: nvidia |
| 20:46.43 | ratrace | isapgswell: so then vesafb is nowhere in the equation? |
| 20:47.33 | isapgswell | ratrace because modeset(0) is trying to allocate framebuffer to hdmi external, but intel do not handle my external hdmi output |
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| 20:48.27 | isapgswell | ratrace even there is no monitor plugged to typec/thunderbolt intel handled modeset(0) is trying to allocate framebuffer |
| 20:49.18 | ratrace | isapgswell: what log entry are you basing that conclusion on? |
| 20:50.38 | isapgswell | ratrace (II) modeset(0): Allocate new frame buffer 2560x1080 stride |
| 20:51.18 | isapgswell | ratrace when i saw this log, no external connection to typec/thunderbolt was made |
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| 20:52.38 | ratrace | why do you think that's vesa? |
| 20:52.45 | isapgswell | ratrace so, i tried to disable all framebuffer support to try understand wha is goind on |
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| 20:53.57 | isapgswell | ratrace i read that when you aree using kms it's not necessary framebuffer |
| 20:54.41 | isapgswell | ratrace my video is 1fps, but cursor not |
| 20:54.54 | isapgswell | ratrace nvidia render offload, ondemand profile |
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| 20:57.34 | dob1 | is valid for file in /etc/cron.d to contains more that an cronjob? |
| 20:58.39 | jhutchins | dob1: It's a script file, you can call more than one process. |
| 20:59.40 | dob1 | jhutchins, sorry but are you not confusing it with the ones in /etc/cron.daily etc? |
| 21:00.03 | dob1 | it doesn't seems a script to me |
| 21:01.08 | ratrace | yeah cron.d are crontabs, not scripts that go in, eg. cron.daily. dob1 sure, they're tabs, you can have as many as you want per file. it's only a question of maintenance simplicity |
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| 21:01.14 | jhutchins | dob1: Same format. Is something not working? |
| 21:01.20 | greycat | dob1: what do you mean by "more than an cronjob"? |
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| 21:01.37 | greycat | sorry, "more that an cronjob" |
| 21:01.39 | dob1 | more lines with scheduled jobs |
| 21:01.46 | sney | they can also have comments, environment variables, that kind of thing |
| 21:02.16 | greycat | do you mean "more than one crontab line"? yes. yes, they can. |
| 21:02.46 | greycat | my /etc/cron.d/ has 3 files, and 2 of those have 2 jobs each |
| 21:04.31 | dob1 | something like this https://paste.debian.net/1189115/ |
| 21:04.49 | jhutchins | sney is right, although I tend to think in terms of scripts because I usually call a script. man 5 crontab has a rather complex explanation of the special fields and formats. |
| 21:05.04 | greycat | somepath is not defined. |
| 21:05.15 | greycat | ... and neither is someppath. |
| 21:05.31 | dob1 | greycat, yes sorry I was confused I was meaning $dir |
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| 21:05.37 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 21:05.57 | greycat | why would you waste your time and ours by writing out a bogus example instead of just pasting your actual file |
| 21:07.14 | ratrace | also, is that cd really needed |
| 21:07.26 | greycat | it might be. depends on the thing he's running. |
| 21:07.28 | dob1 | greycat, I have still to create it, I was thinking how to put these jobs. I have 3 jobs that I have to run. I was considering just a single cron.d with 3 lines (if it was possible and seem it is) or creating a script wrapping the execution of the 3 original jobs |
| 21:07.38 | greycat | but of course we're not ALLOWED to know what he's running. |
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| 21:10.13 | dob1 | I used man cron.d, man /etc/cron.d but nothing. I just wanted some informations about the format used in cron jobs in cron.d |
| 21:10.21 | ratrace | the reason I ask is, it's better to write cronjob scripts with absolute paths, or even let them resolve their own dirs, than rely on something cd'ing to a "proper" cwd |
| 21:10.44 | hanasaki | where can I find the .config the kernel built into the release? |
| 21:10.45 | dob1 | ratrace, they have to run in a specific dir |
| 21:10.53 | dob1 | so that's the cd |
| 21:11.09 | ratrace | dob1: which was my point. can you rewrite the scripts so they don't rely on that |
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| 21:11.34 | ratrace | it's just a suggestion toward writing more robust, less error prone code |
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| 21:12.31 | greycat | hanasaki: /boot/config-* |
| 21:12.49 | dob1 | ratrace, I will consider it |
| 21:12.56 | hanasaki | thanks |
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| 21:15.06 | hanasaki | greycat: I am used to looking in /proc/config.gz :) |
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| 21:28.29 | hanasaki | greycat: and all : trying to figure out what's wrong in my .config that causes the below.. and then virtual terminals are nonfunctional [ 4.599854] fb0: switching to inteldrmfb from EFI VGA |
| 21:28.29 | hanasaki | [ 4.600517] Console: switching to colour dummy device 80x25 |
| 21:28.41 | hanasaki | The "dummy device" |
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| 22:09.53 | lembron | is ftp.de.debian.org expected to be down for longer? or anywhere to find infos on that? |
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| 22:11.52 | sney | lembron: depends on what the problem is, if it's the host or a networking thing. there are a lot of other .de mirror options though, see https://www.debian.org/mirror/list for alternatives |
| 22:13.49 | lembron | sure sure - and well i expect its not "me" beeing the issues, got like 4 servers complaning "Could not connect to ftp.de.debian.org:80 (141.76.2.4), connection timed out" - dead from home in browser too... |
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| 22:14.10 | lembron | given that its still listed there, i guess that means should-come-back... |
| 22:15.29 | sney | if I had to make a completely unqualified guess, I'd say it's somehow related to the large-scale western europe hosting shakeup following the ovh fire in strasbourg |
| 22:17.53 | ratrace | likely nothing to do with SBG. 141.76.2.4 is not in OVH's trace, and responds to pings actually. |
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| 22:18.05 | lembron | that was my very first idea too :D - it also ate 2 servers of mine... - but na, that IP whoises directly to the school itself (T-uni dresden) |
| 22:18.14 | ratrace | but doesn't respond to http requests |
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| 22:26.59 | wintergirl | just use deb.debian.org, it's a CDN |
| 22:32.05 | jhutchins | !mirror status |
| 22:32.05 | dpkg | Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: https://mirror-master.debian.org/status/mirror-status.html and http://ftp.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ Ask me about <mirrors>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 22:48.20 | kre10s | I am having problems with apt update unable to connect to server... E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/docker/wmdocker_1.5-2_amd64.deb Could not connect to ftp.de.debian.org:80 (141.76.2.4), connection timed out |
| 22:48.26 | kre10s | Is this server not working? |
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| 22:50.21 | kre10s | Could not connect to ftp.de.debian.org:80 (141.76.2.4), connection timed out ... but I can ping it just fine... |
| 22:50.44 | imMute | kre10s: looks like it's down at the moment. you could try switching to a different mirror |
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| 22:51.55 | kre10s | Ah. ok. Just glad it |
| 22:52.18 | kre10s | 's not me this time... |
| 22:54.36 | kre10s | As an asside. Has anyone ever thought of a p2p package manager? |
| 22:55.15 | jhutchins | kre10s: I think that would be a security nightmare. |
| 22:56.35 | kre10s | cryptographic signiture not good enough? |
| 22:58.13 | jhutchins | That's not something Debian's set up for. |
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| 22:59.22 | jhutchins | Wouldn't be too hard to hack either. |
| 22:59.57 | jhutchins | There are layers of security to running a commercial server that private users just can't match. |
| 23:02.00 | kre10s | apparently there is apt-p2p neat. Didn't know that |
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