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| 04:07.08 | cortexman | https://github.com/chalice-dev/awesome-chalice |
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| 04:10.11 | dannylee | ok in Debian repository there a editor emulator call yudit...most of the time i use emacs...but yudit will let you edit any thing,,,its a unix editor,,, |
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| 04:13.18 | dannylee | fedora had yudit 5 years ago...but then it did'nt work no more... |
| 04:14.30 | dannylee | i still us vi and emacs...yudit is a great emulator... |
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| 04:43.43 | Renari | I'm trying to install virt-manager and it seems one of its dependencies isn't available? |
| 04:43.44 | Renari | virt-manager : Depends: virtinst (>= 1:2.0.0-3) but it is not going to be installed |
| 04:43.49 | Renari | Does anyone know what's up with this? |
| 04:45.15 | Renari | Actually drilling down and trying to manually install the error packages it ends with this:Package libpython3.5 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 04:46.44 | tomreyn | Renari: run sudo apt update before you install packages |
| 04:47.05 | Renari | already did |
| 04:47.50 | Renari | Package libpython3.5 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 04:47.50 | Renari | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 04:47.50 | Renari | is only available from another source |
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| 04:48.11 | tomreyn | you probably have mixed up apt sources then |
| 04:48.26 | themill | Renari: sounds like you might have a mixture of two releases there. Can you pastebin "apt-cache policy virtinst libpython3.*; apt-cache policy" |
| 04:49.32 | themill | (nothing in buster has a dependency on libpython3.5) |
| 04:49.42 | Renari | https://pastebin.com/raw/JgCr1sV5 |
| 04:50.27 | tomreyn | why would you pin ssl?! |
| 04:51.11 | tomreyn | and mix stretch, buster, testing |
| 04:52.45 | Renari | This is a very old system it was updated from stretch at one point. |
| 04:52.58 | Renari | Looking through my sources file to find those and fix them now. |
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| 04:53.24 | themill | the other half of that apt-cache output would be handy to see |
| 04:53.43 | Renari | ah I thought that was all of it sec |
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| 04:54.39 | Renari | https://pastebin.com/raw/LbR4AZP5 |
| 04:55.31 | themill | you've got an libpython3.5-minimal installed from stretch; that should be able to go at this stage |
| 04:56.05 | themill | (that should also not cause the problem that you're seeing, so there are likely other packages that need treatment first) |
| 04:57.45 | themill | « apt list | grep '\[.*local.*\]' » might be interesting to see |
| 04:58.24 | Unit193 | Heh, that's more precise than my `apt list | grep ed,loc` :P |
| 04:59.32 | Renari | will run in a sec |
| 05:02.26 | Renari | fixed the mono repo and it's taking a while to rebuild everything |
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| 05:09.15 | Renari | https://pastebin.com/raw/QdaaN6rN |
| 05:09.22 | Renari | That's the output from that. |
| 05:09.52 | Renari | Some of these things I've explicitly installed, like anydesk and emby. |
| 05:09.56 | Renari | Potentially java 8. |
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| 05:14.38 | themill | Renari: btw does "apt-get -f install" want to do anything right now? |
| 05:15.13 | Renari | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
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| 05:16.06 | Renari | It looks like I can install virt-manager now. |
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| 05:20.14 | awal1 | mpv always starts at full volume (100%). how can i prevent that? |
| 05:21.17 | awal1 | checking this https://mpv.io/manual/master/ but i don't find what i'm looking |
| 05:21.56 | Renari | awal1, what does `mpv --list-options` output? |
| 05:23.01 | awal1 | Renari, let me check that bcoz the output is so long |
| 05:23.52 | Renari | It appears there's also a config file found at `/home/$USER/.mpv/config` that you might be able to use. |
| 05:24.08 | awal1 | before, I added --volume=50 to .config/mpv/input.conf but i that doesn't help |
| 05:25.06 | Renari | The system wide config file is at `/etc/mpv` |
| 05:26.21 | Renari | awal1, https://github.com/Argon-/mpv-config/blob/master/mpv.conf you need to edit this file |
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| 05:27.33 | awal1 | Renari, ok. lets check that link |
| 05:28.52 | Renari | not sure where it's stored by default on your system, should be able to find it with `sudo find / -name mpv.conf` |
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| 05:36.00 | awal1 | in /etc i have encoding-profiles.conf and in .config i have input.conf and watch_later |
| 05:36.31 | awal1 | my previous searches i found that one have to use input.conf |
| 05:36.49 | awal1 | i used mlocate mpv and no trace of .conf |
| 05:37.05 | Renari | Hm it appears it should be in the same location as mpv.conf |
| 05:37.07 | awal1 | i dont't understand why it starts at max volume |
| 05:37.11 | Renari | so if it doesn't exist you could try creating it |
| 05:38.02 | themill | is it possible that it's pulseaudio's "flat-volumes" setting? |
| 05:38.27 | Renari | https://mpv.io/manual/master/#filter-options also has info on mpv.conf |
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| 05:39.09 | Renari | sorry that's https://mpv.io/manual/master/#configuration-files |
| 05:41.07 | awal1 | Renari, .conf where should it be? |
| 05:41.29 | awal1 | themill, i have no clue if it is pulse related |
| 05:41.39 | Renari | the page I linked you to says it can be put at a number of locations |
| 05:41.40 | Renari | https://mpv.io/manual/master/#files |
| 05:41.45 | Renari | lists all of them |
| 05:42.01 | Renari | if you have none of them you can probably create mpv.conf to override the volume |
| 05:42.07 | awal1 | problem solved Renari, themill |
| 05:42.09 | awal1 | thanks |
| 05:43.24 | awal1 | I created mpv.conf in home .config.mpv and added inserted this line "volume=50"on it and problem solved . now it starts with volume at 50% |
| 05:43.34 | awal1 | Renari, themill ^ |
| 05:44.43 | themill | :) |
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| 05:45.56 | Renari | ã¾(â¢Ïâ¢`)o |
| 05:46.24 | awal1 | i mean : i added "volume=50" in mpv.conf file in .config/mpv dir in user home and the issue is solved now. volume when mpv starts is at 50 %. thanks Renari, themill for your attention :) |
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| 07:58.04 | GigaFlow | Any help with certbot? |
| 07:58.46 | mirrorbird | no |
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| 08:11.19 | hiptobecubic | I have 3 ssds. I am currently booting off of sda1, but have made an lvm raid1 (/dev/vg/lv) out of sdb1 and sdc1. I am trying to figure out how to install debian to the raid1 but I have kind of made a mess. |
| 08:11.58 | hiptobecubic | specifically, i can boot to grub, but can't get to the root fs and it drops me in initramfs |
| 08:12.32 | hiptobecubic | I think this is because it's not activating the vg's and lv, but i'm not sure why |
| 08:13.39 | hiptobecubic | i installed by using debootstrap and then grub-install --root-directory /mnt /dev/sdb, where there's a 1MB partition /dev/sdb2 of type BIOS_boot |
| 08:13.43 | hiptobecubic | it said it installed without errors |
| 08:14.06 | hiptobecubic | it seems more like it didn't correctly detect what would be needed in the initramfs and then couldn't do anything when it got there |
| 08:14.15 | hiptobecubic | but i'm not sure how to fix that |
| 08:18.36 | hiptobecubic | it seems like grub.cfg is not references dm dm_raid etc |
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| 08:21.54 | ratrace | hiptobecubic: if you used debootstrap you should've also installed all the required packages, like lvm2. did you? |
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| 08:23.48 | ratrace | hiptobecubic: and also the kernel, grub, create your unpriv user and/or set root password (and locale and timezone but that's not gonna block boot if you didn't) |
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| 08:24.23 | ratrace | debootstrap does a very, very rudimentary installation, suitable for containers, thus without grub, kernel, specific filesystem utils, etc... |
| 08:26.59 | hiptobecubic | ratrace, good question. |
| 08:27.17 | hiptobecubic | rebooting now, if it fails, i'll boot back to first os and then chroot and see |
| 08:27.40 | hiptobecubic | now it's just printing "mdadm: No arrays found in config file or automatically" repeatedly |
| 08:27.50 | hiptobecubic | welp... reboot again |
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| 08:28.02 | ratrace | hiptobecubic: are you using mdadm? you should've installed that too. I thought oyu said RAID was LVM based |
| 08:29.02 | hiptobecubic | i installed mdadm after flailing around on the wiki and various blogs. I don't know why i would need it. Yes my raid is lvm based |
| 08:29.25 | ratrace | ok. but most importantly, initramfs and grub (in that order) shoudl've been set up from within the chroot so devices and paths are autodetected. |
| 08:31.15 | hiptobecubic | for future reference, is there a less terrible way to do this than debootstrap? |
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| 08:31.56 | ratrace | hiptobecubic: debootstrap is actually awesome once you get the hang of it. I only use debootstrap to install debians and derivatives, but primarily due to rootfs on zfs or btrfs on luks :) |
| 08:32.32 | ratrace | hiptobecubic: it could be possible to use the installer and do the manual partitioning step where you prepare the LVM arrays yourelf and then just select LV devices for rootfs and other mounts |
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| 08:32.36 | hiptobecubic | it would be nice if it was more complete then, like there are at least 5-6 steps you have to remember afterwards or you're dead in the water |
| 08:33.23 | hiptobecubic | I have a luks encrypted drive that I think got corrupted. I spent 180 gpu hours trying every variation of what i remember my password to be but no luck :( |
| 08:33.27 | hiptobecubic | or should i say, no luk |
| 08:33.37 | ratrace | hiptobecubic: it is something like that. deboostrap; prepare chroot; chroot; install kernel, grub, filesystem utils, lvm|mdadm if needed, set up root pass, networking if that's a remote server, locale, timezone. |
| 08:34.31 | ratrace | fstab if you got mounts like /boot or anything else; not strictly needed for rootfs, but for some filesystems it may be required to flip root from RO to RW |
| 08:34.32 | hiptobecubic | Ok here we go, rebooting again! |
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| 08:34.51 | john_rambo | I am trying to install MEGAsync.....This is the issue >>>https://paste2.org/90U8OPNJ ||||| https://paste2.org/6yJx9AEv ...Please help me out |
| 08:34.54 | hiptobecubic | i'm not doing anything fancy with filesystems. just good old fashioned ext4 |
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| 08:35.09 | hiptobecubic | Oh snap, it's loading |
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| 08:35.22 | hiptobecubic | with some firmware errors apparently |
| 08:35.33 | hiptobecubic | but still, a login screen, that's a big step up |
| 08:35.37 | ratrace | yay! |
| 08:35.44 | hiptobecubic | The problem was apparently not having had lvm2 installed in the chroot |
| 08:35.49 | ratrace | $1M question: did you remember to set up root pass? :) |
| 08:36.04 | hiptobecubic | Not at first no. Already did the reboot and fixed that 2 hours ago |
| 08:36.10 | ratrace | ah, k :) |
| 08:36.17 | hiptobecubic | but that's a good example of something debootstrap should really do |
| 08:36.45 | ratrace | assuming it's needed |
| 08:36.55 | hiptobecubic | maybe also mention that you are trying to mount lvm volumes but aren't installing lvm? that would be cool too |
| 08:37.03 | hiptobecubic | ratrace, when does root not need a password? |
| 08:37.05 | ratrace | so maybe an option you need to remember to switch on... so it doesn't really solve much |
| 08:37.13 | ratrace | hiptobecubic: containers |
| 08:37.31 | hiptobecubic | I suppose, although it's then harmless isn't it? |
| 08:38.13 | ratrace | what, setting root pass when it's not needed? sure |
| 08:38.29 | hiptobecubic | or... prompt the user at the start of install? |
| 08:38.50 | hiptobecubic | "Do you want to be stranded? [y/n]" |
| 08:38.58 | ratrace | heh |
| 08:39.55 | ratrace | but then why stop there. it could also autodetect filesystem, lvm, mdadm and install those, ask about networking, locale, timezone. maybe even a ncruses menu..... and you've just invented the installer :) |
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| 08:40.32 | hiptobecubic | i think there's a market for three levels |
| 08:40.42 | ratrace | so I'd rather debootstrap was as raw and functional as it is now (adding all that stuff also adds bugs), and instead beef up the installer for things like LVM, mdadm installations, better LUKS support, maybe even zfs/btrfs |
| 08:41.07 | hiptobecubic | "i don't care if anything works because this is for a container" "i want just enough that i'll be able to boot and take it from there" and "just install debian please. i hate this" |
| 08:41.26 | ratrace | but then the better place to add functions is the installer |
| 08:41.37 | ratrace | make it even a package installable like debootstrap, so you can run it in any linux env |
| 08:41.49 | ratrace | no point in reinventing installer's functions through another tool: debootstrap |
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| 08:45.13 | hiptobecubic | I'm thinking about just the minimum required to boot the system you're setting up. Like if you tell it you have a particular fs and it doesn't have the module needed to mount that fs, what's the usecase really? |
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| 08:48.14 | ratrace | debootstrap ist just a shell script that bootstraps a base debian ostree and leaves the configuration to the user. if it added higher level options and functions, it's really just reinventing the installer. |
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| 08:52.10 | ratrace | hiptobecubic: anyhoo, booted fine, orig problem solved? |
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| 09:11.05 | hiptobecubic | seems so |
| 09:11.31 | hiptobecubic | For some reason google's gpg key for their chrome apt repo doesn't work for me |
| 09:12.25 | hiptobecubic | Not really sure what to make of it. Says it finds two keys and they import fine, but then gpg -k to list them says there are no keys and apt says the repos are unsigned. |
| 09:12.57 | hiptobecubic | They also use the deprecated apt-key add, but that's another matter I guess. |
| 09:13.51 | hiptobecubic | oh no... it's daylight savings time |
| 09:14.06 | hiptobecubic | that means i've stayed up until 615 instead of just the already horribly irresponsible 515 |
| 09:14.28 | hiptobecubic | I guess I'll deal with this tomorrow. Thanks for your help ratrace ! |
| 09:14.29 | ratrace | eh, what country does DST on march 14th |
| 09:14.36 | hiptobecubic | Stupid ones like the US |
| 09:14.40 | ratrace | ugh :) |
| 09:14.45 | hiptobecubic | The worst |
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| 09:59.45 | velix | hrhr. deborphan returns "docker ";) |
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| 10:04.30 | jmd | How do I install a package from buster-backports? |
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| 10:20.57 | ratrace | jmd: apt install -t buster-backports <package name> ; having previously added the backports repo to sources.list and having run apt update |
| 10:21.57 | jmd | Yes. I have done that. What next? |
| 10:22.31 | jmd | ratrace: Oh sorry. I didn't see the -t in your post. |
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| 10:25.41 | ratrace | jmd: just remember not to use that -t for apt upgrade. the packages from backports will upgrade normally if there's a newer version, with regular apt upgrade. |
| 10:25.58 | ratrace | adding -t to upgrade will force all packages to look up upgrades in backports. |
| 10:26.11 | jmd | okay. I will bear that in mind. |
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| 10:50.40 | redcheckers | if the debian project has dropped support for an architecture, like say, 32 bit powerpc / ppc , is it still possible to install it from older supported versions, or are all the dist files probably gone from the mirrors too? |
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| 10:53.53 | nkuttler | !archive |
| 10:53.53 | dpkg | An archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. For old Debian <ISO> files ask me about <cd archive>. For old versions of source code see https://sources.debian.org/ |
| 10:54.22 | redcheckers | nkuttler: ah thank you |
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| 10:59.58 | MWM | I need a hand with proxmox (pretty much custom debian). I was wondering if anyone here might lend a hand? |
| 11:01.04 | MWM | proxmox cant find the network adapter, si I tried manually loading the drivers (rtl8125) during installation, and I get a complaint that make isnt there |
| 11:01.07 | dff | try ##pormox |
| 11:01.10 | dff | err |
| 11:01.12 | dff | ##proxmox |
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| 11:01.29 | MWM | Is there a way to get make onto a machine without network? |
| 11:01.32 | ratrace | !based on debian |
| 11:01.32 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 11:02.17 | MWM | ill try proxmox then. ty |
| 11:03.01 | MWM | honestly had the same problem with vaniall debian though |
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| 11:04.51 | RoyK | happy Ï day :) |
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| 11:09.49 | ratrace | MWM: on debian, rtl8125 is managed by firmware-realtek package. |
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| 11:11.11 | ratrace | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.27 | MWM | however I cannot get that package because my network will not work. |
| 11:11.46 | sfinks | Hi, is it possible to configure an IP6 address alongside IP4 in the initrd environment for dropbear? It seems like the part in the linux kernel that picks up the ip= setting only supports IP4 |
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| 11:12.10 | MWM | SO I downloaded the tarball from realtek but got a make error that lead me to beleive that make was not present and would need to be installed |
| 11:12.42 | ratrace | don't install tarballs. if you can download, then find your distro's .deb package with the firmware |
| 11:13.04 | ratrace | sneakernet it to your machine and install with apt install ./the-filename-of-the.deb |
| 11:13.33 | MWM | I am not aware of how to accomplish that from another machine? I can just grab the .deb from somewhere and put on usb, or is there another way? |
| 11:14.34 | MWM | let me explain: fresh install on new hardware cannot find the network, but I do have another working machine elsewhere in the house to download stuff with |
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| 11:15.27 | ratrace | for debian, you could download it from here: https://packages.debian.org/buster/all/firmware-realtek/download |
| 11:16.02 | ratrace | the smuggle the .deb to your machine via an usb stick or something, and apt install ./firmware-realtek-....deb |
| 11:16.06 | ratrace | *then |
| 11:16.38 | ratrace | dunno if the same package works on proxmox or you'd have to install proxmox's own .deb |
| 11:17.33 | MWM | just apt install from the same directory as the deb or so I have to edit the sources.list or anything? |
| 11:17.48 | ratrace | apt install ./path-to-the.deb and note the ./ |
| 11:18.00 | ratrace | (assuming same dir, of course) |
| 11:18.33 | MWM | thats excellent. ty for the help |
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| 13:30.15 | opv | hey guys, i dont hav ea debian box at my disposal right now |
| 13:30.23 | opv | can you tell me the name of the elm lang package in deb buster? |
| 13:30.24 | opv | ty |
| 13:35.36 | rudi_s | opv: A quick check didn't reveal any package. |
| 13:36.59 | opv | thx rudi_s |
| 13:41.02 | rudi_s | np |
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| 13:41.13 | rudi_s | opv: Btw. you can check it via https://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 14:01.25 | Abrax | hi |
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| 14:33.30 | dob1 | I have this rules in OUTPUT chain of iptables https://paste.debian.net/hidden/6bdb626c/ does these means if an user in group with gid 1004 try "ping google.com" it doesn't work, right? |
| 14:34.12 | yahal | I am under Debian Buster system and I try to enter a systemd-nspawn container (also debian) with "machinectl login <machinename>" which fails with "Failed to get login PTY: Protocol error" if I stop the container and login with systemd-nspawn it works fine |
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| 14:35.20 | ratrace | dob1: looks like it. did you test it? |
| 14:35.29 | dob1 | ratrace, yes... it pass |
| 14:36.00 | dob1 | I don't understand why |
| 14:37.50 | dob1 | even if I just have the last rule only it pass |
| 14:38.47 | ratrace | frankly I don't know how that behaves now with nftables as iptables backend |
| 14:38.58 | ratrace | dob1: how exactly are you testing it? |
| 14:39.06 | dob1 | just a ping google.com |
| 14:39.27 | ratrace | how are you making sure the owner GID is 1004 |
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| 14:39.45 | dob1 | from id output |
| 14:39.53 | ratrace | is it primary group or supplementary? |
| 14:39.54 | dob1 | ah! |
| 14:40.03 | dob1 | it's supplementary |
| 14:40.09 | dob1 | is this? |
| 14:40.21 | ratrace | has to be primary iirc |
| 14:40.39 | dob1 | and what is the use for this then? if it has to be the primary one so an unique one? |
| 14:41.11 | dob1 | my idea was to block by group a number of users, adding users to this group |
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| 14:41.40 | ratrace | can you reverse the logic? allow only root and specific services on outbound, drop all else? |
| 14:41.46 | rudi_s | dob1: You need to match the uid of each user |
| 14:41.47 | ratrace | (careful you don't lock yourself out of ssh) |
| 14:41.57 | dob1 | rudi_s, there is the gid too |
| 14:42.05 | dob1 | ratrace, I don't know if I am able |
| 14:42.18 | rudi_s | Or just use something like -m owner --uid-owner x -j user_chain; --uid-owern y -j user_chain; ... |
| 14:42.30 | rudi_s | dob1: What rat<tab> said, it's most likely just the primary group. |
| 14:42.48 | dob1 | it's useless in this way |
| 14:43.14 | rudi_s | dob1: To you, yes. |
| 14:43.18 | rudi_s | So don't do it that way. |
| 14:43.41 | ratrace | dob1: the iptables-extensions(8) manpage doesn't specify, but various posts online suggest that due to nftables backend, it's limited to primary group |
| 14:43.47 | dob1 | I have to do any specific rule for every user so n users -> n rules (n * 3 in my case but the logic is this) |
| 14:43.59 | dob1 | I was thinking 3 rules for a gruop, add users to gruop |
| 14:44.04 | ratrace | dob1: or reverse the logic to whitelist instead of blacklist |
| 14:44.33 | rudi_s | dob1: You can use a separate chain, that reduces it to n rules. And n rules will - most likely - not be an issue. |
| 14:44.49 | ratrace | dob1: also what users are those? services or humans? |
| 14:44.58 | dob1 | humas |
| 14:45.00 | dob1 | humans |
| 14:45.04 | rudi_s | Or you could use nftables which permits using a single rule with a table lookup. |
| 14:45.21 | ratrace | dob1: can you reverse the logic to whitelist instead of blacklist? |
| 14:45.35 | dob1 | rudi_s, I have to think about this, not practice about chains, you then create a rule for every user in output chain that jump to the chain and the chain has 3 rules that i want ? |
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| 14:45.47 | dob1 | ratrace, I have to think about it |
| 14:46.13 | ratrace | dob1: allow established,related; allow root; allow for each service by UID |
| 14:46.15 | yahal | Anyone who nows the nspawn login problem "Failed to get login PTY: Protocol error" |
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| 14:46.32 | yahal | *knows |
| 14:46.39 | dob1 | ratrace, it's more error prone for me |
| 14:46.50 | dob1 | for sure I will forget something :) |
| 14:48.57 | rudi_s | dob1: Yes. |
| 14:49.52 | rudi_s | As I wrote above ("-m owner --uid-owner x -j user_chain; --uid-owern y -j user_chain; ..."), user_chain is the separate chain with your rules |
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| 14:50.16 | dob1 | I would like to try the chain idea, seems more simple to manage |
| 14:51.34 | rudi_s | Yeah. It's generally a good idea if you want to group stuff. |
| 14:52.29 | rudi_s | Btw. if you setup completely new firewall you might want to look at nftables. Personally I'm still mostly using iptables but nftables has some nice features and it's where firewalls on linux is migrating to (in the future at least). |
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| 14:58.15 | Piggy | ipchains forever! |
| 14:58.40 | dob1 | rudi_s, I know aout it but never got the time to learn and test it and consider that I am not a network expert |
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| 15:01.18 | ratrace | I'm not bothering learning whole new nftables becuse: iptables interface JustWorks(tm) and they'll replace nft with ebpf anyhoo, so what's the point |
| 15:01.48 | ratrace | I prefer the If it ain't broken, don't fix it paradigm. So far, the iptables interface ain't broken. |
| 15:03.37 | MegaCarp | trying to set up an ssh connection to my home pc. can connect to locahost but remote connection doesn't work - "connection timed out". network is on router, i've forwarded the ports, different ports in the course of my trying to make it work. i've a firewall installed on the pc, first i've disabled it (since i have a router, duh), now i've turned it on to, again, add rules for ssh ports. i've edited /etc/ssh/sshd_config - i've |
| 15:03.37 | MegaCarp | wanted to use different ports, then i've allowed the default ports for the sake of the experiment and to just get it working once. since it keeps working with "ssh localhost -p [my custom port]" i've since returned to my custom ports. i see in the journal of gufw that i have zerotier-one vpn installed for w/e reason - could it be interfering in any way?.. i also have hamachi running |
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| 15:09.35 | rudi_s | ratrace: I mostly concur (and that's the reason why all my systems currently still use iptables). However, the ebpftables project seems to be dead and nftables has some nice properties (e.g. faster lookups, verdict maps, no unnecessary hooks) which are useful for high-performance firewalls. |
| 15:10.14 | rudi_s | *and some nice filtering properties (tables, maps, etc.) |
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| 15:17.47 | ratrace | rudi_s: but iptables _interface_ still uses nftables in the backend |
| 15:18.22 | ratrace | the part I don't see reason for, is changing the interface. Yet. nothing in nftables syntax wants to force me to change |
| 15:19.16 | ratrace | MegaCarp: you have a lot of variables going on there at the same time |
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| 15:24.37 | rudi_s | ratrace: Well, it can use nftables as backend. - Still, some features of the interface are not possible with nftables and can be quite useful (and better performing). |
| 15:25.06 | rudi_s | But sure, it your decision. Nothing is forcing you to change (especially with the compatibility mode nftables provides). |
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| 15:38.11 | jack2019 | how to ncrease I/O size? |
| 15:39.37 | jack2019 | Can I do this from debian installer? |
| 15:40.29 | MegaCarp | ratrace: i've logged off hamachi, i've deleted zerotier one, i've disabled pc's firewall - no change |
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| 15:43.08 | ratrace | MegaCarp: well those are all things external to your debian, I assume, so... what's the debian question here? |
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| 15:43.51 | ratrace | jack2019: what do you mean by "I/O size"? usually programs define amount of data they read or write per transaction themselves |
| 15:45.40 | jack2019 | ratrace, from 512 to 4096 |
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| 15:47.24 | ratrace | jack2019: are you talking about sector size of your disk? |
| 15:47.54 | jack2019 | ratrace, I have a ssd which support 4096 |
| 15:48.05 | ratrace | are you talking about sector size? |
| 15:48.30 | jack2019 | ratrace, Yes |
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| 15:49.15 | ratrace | so what exactly you want to change? you can't change your disk sector size, that's baked into it. you could change your filesystem block size or other layers', but...... |
| 15:49.19 | ratrace | !xy |
| 15:49.19 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 15:49.46 | ratrace | actually.... I think some drives DO allow sector size change..... via hdparm if I'm not mistaken |
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| 15:51.02 | jack2019 | ratrace, please can I do with hdparm still ssd running? |
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| 15:51.45 | ratrace | I don't know, never tried it. I doubt it, though. if you change sector size, all the mappings will be off. so.. probably better do it assuming no data on it |
| 15:53.02 | jack2019 | ratrace, thank you, I will read the manual (hdparm) |
| 15:53.18 | ratrace | jack2019: btw, is that sata or nvme ssd? |
| 15:53.31 | jack2019 | ratrace, sata |
| 15:53.38 | ratrace | ok |
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| 15:57.39 | pankaj | I have never experienced this before on my laptop. After installing debian I have noticed that the system shuts down intermittently. |
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| 16:07.41 | fpombal | hi, I have 2 questions about packaging backports. This is in the context of uploading to Ubuntu PPAs, but so far I have not obtained a response from #ubuntu, so I'm reposting here in hopes someone else can help out. Thanks |
| 16:08.12 | fpombal | link to questions: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/ccb56cf4/ plain: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/ccb56cf4 |
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| 16:12.41 | ratrace | very much offtopic here. |
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| 16:13.23 | ratrace | especially since ubuntu has a specific build process based on their specific launchpad based tools |
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| 16:16.42 | de-facto | How can i use http://www.live555.com/hlsProxy/ in debian? |
| 16:17.29 | de-facto | cant find it in https://packages.debian.org/stretch/livemedia-utils |
| 16:17.52 | fpombal | ratrace: well, at least the part of getting sources should be the same right? I just want to know how to use git properly instead of dget/apt source to get the sources + dsc/tarballs + apply debian packages automatically - this is not Ubuntu specific, right? |
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| 16:18.51 | ratrace | de-facto: it says so right there on the link you posted, under "Source code and support" |
| 16:19.11 | ratrace | fpombal: that's the thing, it's not. launchpad has LP specific tools for that. |
| 16:19.44 | ratrace | fpombal: and also, are you building packages for ubuntu, or trying to use PPAs for debian....? |
| 16:20.11 | de-facto | it seems its contained in http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/package/livemedia-utils but thats third party... |
| 16:20.27 | fpombal | ratrace: I'm building for Ubuntu |
| 16:20.49 | ratrace | fpombal: so you should really ask in an ubuntu dev channel, how to use LP tools to build software for ubuntu. |
| 16:20.59 | fpombal | ratrace: so does `apt source` only output this line on Ubuntu? "NOTICE: <package> packaging is maintained in the 'Git' version control system at: (...) Please use: `git clone https://salsa.debian.org/debian/<package>.git` to retrieve the latest (possibly unreleased) updates to the package." |
| 16:21.07 | ratrace | that's not really even tangentially related to debian. it's very much LP specific. |
| 16:24.37 | fpombal | I already know how to build and upload to Ubuntu PPAs, I'm just asking if I can use git to get the sources in the first place. apt is telling me it is possible, and apt is Debian tool, right? So at least that part is still a valid question for this channel |
| 16:24.48 | fpombal | s/if/how |
| 16:25.47 | oerheks | fpombal, hence the different build procedure, you should ask in #ubuntu-packaging or #ubuntu main channel. |
| 16:26.23 | ratrace | fpombal: actually, that's not true. apt in random derivative distro is not on topic for this channel. that said. iirc you could use git to fetch the sources from debian, but the packaging and build procedure is LP specific. |
| 16:26.47 | ratrace | it's very much better to get the sources using those same LP tools. I forgot the name of the suite, it's been a few years since I built ubuntu pakcages. |
| 16:27.29 | ratrace | the reason for that is that using those same tools, you use the LP building machinery for each of the flavors you want to or need to support |
| 16:27.49 | ratrace | and each flavor might require separate patches, and all that is managed by LP tools. |
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| 16:29.49 | fpombal | It is my understanding that at least until the step of actually uploading the package to the PPA, only standard Debian tools are used, and the process is identical to preparing source or binary packages in the context of using Debian. That's my reading of the basic documentation at least: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage |
| 16:30.14 | isapgswell | xscreen do not deal with the diference between same monitor and dual gpu |
| 16:30.26 | isapgswell | for ex: optimus |
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| 16:30.41 | fpombal | ratrace: for instance, the main tools are dch and debuild. The manpage for debuild says "debuild - build a _Debian_ package" (emphasis mine) |
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| 16:31.14 | fpombal | The same for dch/debchange: "debchange - Tool for maintenance of the debian/changelog file in a source package" |
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| 16:32.40 | fpombal | (these tools are all part of the devscripts package: https://packages.debian.org/buster/devscripts) |
| 16:33.31 | ratrace | our questions from your original post, lines 15 and 16 have nothing to do with debian unless you're fetching debian packages proper, and not .debs from ubuntu sources (with ubuntu patches) |
| 16:35.17 | ratrace | in that you can also clone a git repo, but the building process is not specific to having sources from git. also patches are applied during building |
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| 16:36.08 | ratrace | *your questions |
| 16:38.40 | fpombal | ratrace: alright, so let's say I want to build the source package. Forget about the PPA. 1. I clone the debian sources: `git clone https://salsa.debian.org/debian/<package>.git` 2. I run `git apply` on all patches inside `debian/patches` ? 3. ? ... |
| 16:40.01 | ratrace | you don't run git apply on debian/patches. they're applied during normal package build process |
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| 16:41.32 | ratrace | fpombal: that git repo is basically teh same thing you obtain via apt source <package>, except it's the whole git repo, and thus main contain changes, branches, that aren't released |
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| 16:42.15 | ratrace | for _debian_ packages. in taht you build the source with dpkg-buildpackage(1) for example |
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| 16:46.56 | fpombal | ratrace: right, so if I just want the source package, is it enough to run `debuild -S` after cloning and it will build with all packages from debian/patches applied? |
| 16:48.41 | ratrace | fpombal: probably not, you'd want specific release tag most likely |
| 16:49.08 | ratrace | unless you want to build from the git master for that package |
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| 16:55.23 | fpombal | ratrace: ok, please assume I checkout my preferred tag after cloning the repo, such as debian/1.0.0-1. Then is it sufficient to run `debuild -S` for it to build with all packages from debian/patches applied? |
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| 17:00.06 | ratrace | fpombal: patches aren't applied for _source_ packages, unless I'm terribly mistaken |
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| 17:04.36 | fpombal | ratrace: alright, I just tried it out (cloning, checking out the tag and running `debuild -S --no-check-builddeps`), and this is the error I get: |
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| 17:05.52 | fpombal | This package has a Debian revision number but there does not seem to be an appropriate original tar file or .orig directory in the parent directory; (expected one of foo_1.0.1.orig.tar.gz, foo_1.0.1.orig.tar.bz2, foo_1.0.1.orig.tar.lzma, foo_1.0.1.orig.tar.xz or foo.orig) continue anyway? (y/n) |
| 17:07.03 | fpombal | obviously it fails after continuing. So I need to get the original tarball from somewhere. Is this done with some debuild flag or some other deb* tool? (of course I can always do it manually, but I would expect there would be some automatic way of getting this tarball) |
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| 17:07.51 | ratrace | fpombal: btw which package is this and why can't you apt source install it? |
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| 17:08.26 | fpombal | ratrace: I want to do it with git, because even apt source is advising me to do so |
| 17:08.54 | ratrace | I suppose with git cloning you don't have the same directory structure, with source tarball, debianized tarball and the dsc.... so I could've been wrong about git workflow not being specific |
| 17:09.37 | ratrace | fpombal: the git repo is really for maintainers. the code should be the same, in the apt source installed pacakge, and corresponding git repo tag |
| 17:09.53 | ratrace | thus... the git repo might have additional branches, and modifications pending for next tagging |
| 17:11.06 | ratrace | and so we go back to the original premise that building for ubuntu might be different than building for debian. on debian, unless, again, you're a maintainer and want to push your changes to salsa... the recommended way is apt source |
| 17:12.15 | fpombal | ratrace: but apt source is recommending git; and my interpretation of the notice (the way it's worded) does not make it seem like it is only for maintainers |
| 17:12.34 | ratrace | also, dunno for ubuntu's apt, but on debian, it's not telling you to use git. it's stating to use git [if you want] to retreive latest (possibly unreleased) updates to the package |
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| 17:15.06 | ratrace | fpombal: looks like there's git specific tooling, on debian: https://wiki.debian.org/PackagingWithGit |
| 17:16.16 | fpombal | I mean if you want _any_ changes more recent than the one available in the distro's default repos, unreleased or not, you either have to use git and checkout the tag you want or call dget pointing to a URL with the appropriate dsc file. |
| 17:16.57 | fpombal | apt source just gets the source package of the package in the distro. I want a more recent source from the repos of a more recent version of the distro |
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| 17:17.25 | ratrace | you can use sources URL for the distro you want, like testing or sid. |
| 17:17.49 | fpombal | hence why I think " [if you want] to retreive latest (possibly unreleased) updates to the package " is not as restrictive as I think you're implying |
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| 17:18.55 | fpombal | alright I'm checking out https://wiki.debian.org/PackagingWithGit now, thanks |
| 17:18.58 | ratrace | depends on what you really want. again, ubuntu process is different. on debian, you typically use the src repo for the release you're on, eg. stable, but that's not mandatory. you can use testing or sid's repo if you want to backport |
| 17:19.19 | ratrace | on ubuntu, PPAs usualy (must) have all the flavors covered and the process is very much different |
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| 17:20.46 | ratrace | at any rate, apt is not _recommending_ to use git over itself. for good number of use cases you want to base on a released version. for some use cases you might want the tip of debianized package, which is git master, although personally I'd still use released versions, from sid. |
| 17:21.06 | ratrace | git master could easily have breaking changes, which unless you're maintainer of that package, are not obvious how to fix. |
| 17:24.20 | fpombal | ratrace: ok, the assume I really want git master. after cloning, how do I get past the error I posted above? I still have to get the dsc and such from somewhere |
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| 17:25.39 | ratrace | fpombal: well did you check that wiki page? it shows you the procedure step by step, first of which is importing orig tarballs |
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| 17:33.23 | fpombal | ratrace: seems like running gbp clone <repo> && cd <repo> && gbp buildpackage nearly works. that last commands automagically generates the orig tarball. The problem now is that it's actually trying to build the binary package, which I don't want |
| 17:35.49 | fpombal | I suppose gbp buildpackage takes some kind of flag to instruct it to do a source build, I'll try to figure it out |
| 17:37.45 | ratrace | there's extensive documentation linked from that wiki page |
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| 17:40.48 | fpombal | ratrace: looks like the manpage has what I'm looking for: (...) passing along all arguments given to gbp buildpackage on the command line that don't start with --git-. |
| 17:42.13 | fpombal | so gbp buildpackage -S --no-check-builddep does what I want. Now I just need to figure out the rest of the workflow (handling changelog, patches, etc), and I should be able to use git/gbp for everything instead of dget/dch/debuild etc |
| 17:42.26 | filePeter | My new desktop computer has an SSD drive. As I recall the fstab option âdiscardâ was used for my crypttab and ext4 filesystem. Is this option still relevant these days? (Can I erase my 10 year old memories about having to use »discard«?) |
| 17:43.13 | fpombal | (well I guess the last step for uploading to the ppa will still be the classic dput command, but that's not Debian-related) |
| 17:43.24 | fpombal | ratrace: thanks for bearing with me |
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| 17:46.31 | jmcnaught | filePeter: I think instead of discard in fstab it is recommended to use the fstrim.service and fstrim.timer which does discard once a week. |
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| 17:48.58 | filePeter | jmcnaught: Iâll take a look into that. Thank you. |
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| 19:16.35 | Growly | hello, has anyone run into this problem starting gimp? "GEGL operation missing! [...] gegl:introspect [...] cannot be found" |
| 19:16.42 | Growly | i tried apt purging and apt installing it again but no cigar? |
| 19:17.10 | Growly | gimp says "the official package from your Unix-like distribution is the recommended method of installing GIMP" |
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| 19:18.04 | SponiX | Growly: you are on Debian 10 Buster ? |
| 19:18.10 | Growly | bullseye |
| 19:18.28 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 19:18.28 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 19:18.40 | Growly | ok. thanks. |
| 19:18.57 | Growly | in any case, it turns out i had to install graphviz, thanks to some comment on this bug: https://github.com/aferrero2707/gimp-appimage/issues/61 |
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| 20:04.47 | hiya | is there something like Debian Fresh with latest packages? |
| 20:05.12 | hiya | I want latest drivers, firmware, gnome etc |
| 20:05.31 | hiya | Is Debian testing stable vs let us say Arch? |
| 20:06.14 | ratrace | !sns |
| 20:06.14 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 20:06.49 | ratrace | if you're looking for "latest <xyzzy>" then maybe debian is not for you. if you want to stay in .deb land, consider ubuntu. |
| 20:06.52 | jhutchins | hiya: No, testing is not stable. It is meant to be broken so things can be fixed. |
| 20:07.10 | sney | ^ that said, bullseye is frozen, so it's likely more stable than some chaotic rolling distros |
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| 20:08.12 | jhutchins | sney: Yeah, but freeze is when they sometimes tackle the big problems that keep important things from running, and they take the time to really fix them instead of just putting on bans-aids. |
| 20:08.37 | jhutchins | F'r instance, the Intel graphics driver, which took more than a month to fix. |
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| 20:11.02 | hiya | ratrace:Â but I have a new laptop |
| 20:11.13 | hiya | Or else I am using Debian stable since last three years |
| 20:11.22 | riff-IRC | I'm running testing on my main computer and I've never seen anything majorly busticated. |
| 20:11.23 | sney | the only comparable things I'm aware of this time around are the dkms stuff that was handled during 5.9, and the gcc10 upgrade mess. |
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| 20:11.40 | sney | bullseye has been (relatively) smooth compared to some testing cycles in the past |
| 20:11.52 | hiya | bullseye is 11 correct? |
| 20:12.01 | sney | it will be, yes |
| 20:12.01 | hiya | Debian is releasing it now? |
| 20:12.10 | hiya | wow |
| 20:12.13 | sney | release will probably be 6-8 months from now |
| 20:12.15 | riff-IRC | I know that Nautilus was passing invalid parameters to ffmpegthumbnailer for a bit, which killed thumbnailing |
| 20:12.18 | hiya | :( |
| 20:12.28 | hiya | But I can use bullseye? |
| 20:12.34 | sney | dpkg: buster->bullseye |
| 20:12.34 | dpkg | In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "buster" to "bullseye", change "bullseye/updates" to "bullseye-security" on the security line; remove lines like buster-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues then do: apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. Note that testing is a <moving target> and may be buggy, and read the sid FAQ: https://deb.li/sidfaq |
| 20:12.58 | riff-IRC | spent about 8 hours tracing the root cause of that one, then filed a bug report |
| 20:13.20 | riff-IRC | and boom, issue fixed with the next round of updates |
| 20:13.31 | hiya | I think Fedora is the next best thing then. Most free OS if you want a working Wifi. I <3 Debian so much |
| 20:13.46 | rudds | what dictates whether a given package gets updated via backports or not? i'm a bit new to Debian land, and i'm curious why lxc (for example) doesn't have newer versions packaged in buster-backports |
| 20:13.59 | sney | rudds: demand and difficulty, mostly |
| 20:14.35 | sney | sometimes a package that could be backported isn't just because nobody requested it. other packages are too complex with too many moving parts to make it worthwhile. |
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| 20:15.02 | rudds | interesting. the version of lxc that appears to have been frozen for Bullseye stable has some major issues with systemd/v2 cgroups |
| 20:15.25 | rudds | so i wonder what will happen down the line with Debian packaging if that gets fixed on the lxc side |
| 20:15.38 | sney | check the changelog, package versions in debian don't always correspond identically to the upstream version. patches are backported all the time. |
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| 20:16.35 | sney | that's kind of the main thing about stable, the program version/abi is frozen but security and bugfix patches are applied as long as the stable release is supported |
| 20:16.50 | rudds | ah, that makes sense. where's the best place to look at the notes for Debian-specific patches? |
| 20:17.08 | sney | 'apt changelog packagename' on your system, or tracker.debian.org has all of that info and then some |
| 20:17.13 | rudds | i'm mostly coming from FreeBSD where the ports tree is full of custom patches |
| 20:17.23 | rudds | oh great, thanks |
| 20:18.09 | sney | np |
| 20:18.30 | ratrace | rudds: debian source packages have the debian/patches dir wich is equivalent of ports' patch or was it patches, dir |
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| 20:25.06 | karlpinc | rudds: It has to be a "big" bug to get it fixed in stable, unless it's security related. |
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| 20:29.00 | rudds | hmm, the current problem is that core lxc functionality fails on distros with pure unified cgroups (e.g. Bullseye), unless you do some manual systemd-run workarounds |
| 20:29.05 | rudds | ex: https://github.com/lxc/lxc/issues/3668 |
| 20:29.15 | jhutchins | rudds: Backports have fature upgrades, while stable only has fixes. A backport happens when someone who is capable of building a binary .deb is interested enough in doing it. They should be motivated to maintain the backport, not just do a one-off. |
| 20:30.17 | rudds | that makes sense, i'll keep an eye on things as Bullseye is getting closer |
| 20:31.04 | rudds | i'm harping on lxc so much because i was planning to move my home server/NAS from BSD to Bullseye once it goes final, but i rely on containers extensively so if something is broken there it'll be harder to do what i want |
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| 20:33.21 | ratrace | there's other container toolsets beside LXC which, if you ask me, is the worst of them all |
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| 21:18.52 | xoyi- | Hello. Does anyone know if bullseye will support intel 10th gen graphic cards? |
| 21:19.00 | xoyi- | (Buster does not) |
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| 21:30.58 | oxek | !debian-next |
| 21:30.58 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 22:00.06 | NetTerminalGene | anyone experience that sound interruption after pause and play video? |
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| 22:48.26 | horribleprogram | Manage keyring files in trusted.gpg.d instead? |
| 22:48.42 | horribleprogram | what does this mean |
| 22:48.46 | horribleprogram | no don't give me that |
| 22:48.59 | horribleprogram | I understand they want you to put something into a specific directory now |
| 22:49.47 | horribleprogram | how do I go about this |
| 22:51.13 | sney | it means that instead of using 'apt-key add' you place the 3rd party key in a text file in that directory |
| 22:51.31 | horribleprogram | oh that's simple |
| 22:51.39 | horribleprogram | but is there a difference between .asc files and .gpg files? |
| 22:51.46 | sney | nope, just file extension |
| 22:51.50 | horribleprogram | ahh |
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| 22:53.40 | horribleprogram | ahh cool nice |
| 22:53.43 | horribleprogram | it worked sney tysm |
| 22:53.53 | sney | np |
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| 23:04.15 | nyuszika7h | I have proc mounted with hidepid=2 and I cannot see my own ssh-agent processes, any idea why? |
| 23:04.23 | nyuszika7h | https://femto.pw/hgpy |
| 23:04.54 | nyuszika7h | Debian 10.8, fstab entry: proc /proc proc defaults,hidepid=2 0 0 |
| 23:05.29 | nyuszika7h | proc on /proc type proc (rw,relatime,hidepid=2) |
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| 23:15.17 | Budd | Is there an easy way to find all installed packages that depend on package P? |
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| 23:18.35 | Mister00X | Budd: apt rdepends <package> --installed |
| 23:19.18 | Budd | thanks! |
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| 23:28.54 | pims_ | Hello, on GIT, is it possible to have a GLOBAL option to download and only have the latest version by default for all cloned repositories? |
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| 23:33.17 | phogg | pims_: maybe ask in #git |
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| 23:35.26 | pims_ | phogg, obviously! :) Thank you for your answer! |
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