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| 00:18.17 | apaz_ | What happens when I apt-get purge network-manager |
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| 00:18.40 | apaz_ | Will I be able to reinstall? |
| 00:19.14 | sney | if you're relying on n-m for your network connection, you might need to |
| 00:19.33 | sney | ... might need to manually bring up the network before you can install it again |
| 00:19.56 | sney | what happens when you run that command is that apt removes the network-manager package and any of its global configuration files in /etc. |
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| 00:21.09 | apaz_ | Also, I have one wpa_supplicant.conf in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/ and another in /etc/wpa_supplicant/ |
| 00:21.42 | apaz_ | And they're not symlinked |
| 00:22.06 | apaz_ | Ah never mind, one is xml dbus stuff |
| 00:22.10 | apaz_ | That makes sense |
| 00:23.58 | sney | eruditehermit: dependencies managed in d/control can be tricky, if you aren't already there I recommend asking in #packaging on OFTC (note, right now you are on freenode). Usually you need some combination of Breaks/Conflicts/Replaces to avoid the situation you mentioned. |
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| 00:54.51 | eruditehermit | sney: thanks, I'll go check out that channel. I appreciate the response! |
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| 01:58.59 | dannylee | ok i just order Debian Buster on DVD...and i just bought a new computer for debian...ill leave stretch on my machine...stretch is really good...but now ill have buster t0000... |
| 02:03.16 | dannylee | ill install LXDE an Gnome an Debian default an FXCE...no more KDE...kde messes up some program like screensaver...i just don't like kde.. |
| 02:03.46 | dannylee | xfce |
| 02:04.02 | dannylee | ok i cant really spell |
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| 02:15.25 | mrjpaxton[m] | I've really taken a liking to LXQT. I guess my only problem with it is that... well, it does look uglier compared to most, but maybe that can be fixed. Nothing compares to a properly configured i3 desktop though. :p |
| 02:18.20 | dannylee | LXDE is the best...the emulators work with set -o emacs...its really Good |
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| 02:19.15 | dannylee | my new machine will have Buster on it... |
| 02:20.50 | dvs | !start a de war |
| 02:20.50 | dpkg | Emacs blows chunks! |
| 02:22.10 | dannylee | ok you can compile any language with emacs...emacs is hard to use...smart people luv emacs... |
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| 06:34.24 | RelicRonk | can anyone tell me which version of debian i am running based off of this? Debian 4.19.171-2 (2021-01-30) x86_64 |
| 06:35.52 | RelicRonk | for some reason my lsb_release wont give me a reply, gives me a broken python error |
| 06:36.00 | oxek | RelicRonk: why not run `cat /etc/os-release`? |
| 06:36.12 | oxek | or `cat /etc/debian-version` |
| 06:36.14 | RelicRonk | oh wow |
| 06:36.20 | RelicRonk | ok thank you, that worked. |
| 06:36.29 | RelicRonk | Deb 10 Awesome! |
| 06:36.59 | oxek | RelicRonk: what's the exact error you get when you run `lsb_release -a` |
| 06:37.08 | themill | with some pending security updates to apply |
| 06:37.32 | RelicRonk | oxek, none, i was trying to do cat /usr/bin/lsb_release |
| 06:37.45 | oxek | yeah, that would not work |
| 06:37.46 | RelicRonk | it was 100% user error :P |
| 06:38.19 | RelicRonk | now if i could only remember the command to see what my cpu/ram are |
| 06:38.31 | RelicRonk | (im working with a vps and its been a LONG while) |
| 06:38.42 | oxek | `cat /proc/cpuinfo` is one |
| 06:38.49 | oxek | `lscpu` is another |
| 06:39.29 | RelicRonk | thank you |
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| 07:37.07 | discovered | i am trying to set minimum password length of 6 chars by editing /etc/pam.d/common-password something like: "password [success=1 default=ignore] pam_unix.so obscure yescrypt minlen=6" but it does not work. Where is the original config file? |
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| 07:38.50 | themill | ucf sources the packaged version from /usr/share/pam/common-password |
| 07:40.08 | themill | (but note that is not the default file) |
| 07:40.47 | mrjpaxton[m] | Why do you want to set a password length of 6 characters? That's going to be very insecure. |
| 07:40.49 | themill | s/ucf/pam-auth-update/ |
| 07:41.40 | mrjpaxton[m] | On the other hand, it is possible to disable your password (I think) if you are just messing around with a system. |
| 07:41.43 | discovered | mrjpaxton[m], as default root has default weak password when i have installed. |
| 07:42.44 | mrjpaxton[m] | discovered: Do you have a user set up, or just root? |
| 07:43.00 | discovered | I want to learn more about password policy config in debian ... in future i may need to set it more stronger password |
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| 07:43.16 | discovered | mrjpaxton[m], Yes i have a user |
| 07:43.55 | discovered | not even in sudo. For administrative i only use 'su' |
| 07:44.26 | mrjpaxton[m] | Oh, right. I see. In that case, you might want to still increase the minimum actually. I think a decent minimum should be like 16 characters, but more is usually better. :) |
| 07:45.36 | mrjpaxton[m] | I'll take a look at it too. I'm also curious. |
| 07:46.06 | discovered | 16? hmmm every time i need to type when i start my pc |
| 07:49.57 | mrjpaxton[m] | Computers and networks are getting faster now. It is a pain that some of us live with for more security. Try also including a LUKS encryption key with that, too. :p |
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| 07:52.58 | mrjpaxton[m] | Mostly it can be slightly out of tune with reality to have a longer password than that. Usually your router/firewall blocks most of the "bad guys" from breaking and entering your LAN before they even get to cracking a computer's login password. |
| 07:53.28 | mrjpaxton[m] | So I just enter it in for a week until it become muscle memory, and remember it. |
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| 08:45.11 | Lope | hey guys, having an error installing spl-dkms on debian buster |
| 08:46.11 | Lope | cp: cannot stat '/var/lib/dkms/spl/0.7.12/build/spl_config.h': No such file or directory |
| 08:46.27 | Lope | cp: cannot stat '/var/lib/dkms/spl/0.7.12/build/module/Module.symvers': No such file or directory |
| 08:46.32 | ratrace | Lope! |
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| 08:46.43 | Lope | ratrace, hey bud! |
| 08:46.48 | ratrace | thou shalt not build 0.7.x! |
| 08:46.57 | ratrace | enable backports, pull in 2.0.3 |
| 08:46.59 | Lope | I'm trying to run my install script inside hetzner's rescue shit |
| 08:47.07 | Lope | ratrace, brilliant, okay |
| 08:47.16 | Lope | got a cheatsheet for me for buster backports? |
| 08:47.22 | Lope | sources.list |
| 08:47.24 | ratrace | you can apt install on hetzner's rescue thingy. it's actually super flexible compared to some others |
| 08:47.34 | Lope | ah, let me see... |
| 08:47.38 | ratrace | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-backports main contrib non-free |
| 08:48.19 | Lope | oh nice, I see it's available! |
| 08:48.34 | Lope | it's got 0.8.6-1~bpo10+1 100 available already |
| 08:48.53 | ratrace | could use that, and later bump to up to date 2.0.3 from backports. |
| 08:48.54 | Lope | wondering how I can script it to install 0.8 or newer? |
| 08:48.56 | Lope | any ideas? |
| 08:49.07 | ratrace | I used to pull in from zfs's GitHub |
| 08:49.13 | Lope | ah, nice |
| 08:49.14 | ratrace | lemme unearth the recipe |
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| 08:49.20 | Lope | is spl-dkms a ZFS specific thing? |
| 08:49.24 | ratrace | yes |
| 08:49.28 | Lope | oh I see. |
| 08:49.36 | Lope | I thought it was some generic debian thing. |
| 08:50.03 | ratrace | btw I think SPL got merged with ZFS code as of 0.8.x so it's no longer relevant |
| 08:50.15 | ratrace | it's Sun Portability Layer or somesuch thingy |
| 08:50.21 | Lope | alrighty |
| 08:50.28 | Lope | is there a way to tell apt to install 0.8 or newer? |
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| 08:51.56 | ratrace | apt install -t buster-backports zfs-dkms zfsutils-linux zfs-initramfs |
| 08:53.09 | Lope | ratrace, thanks, yeah that's what I ended up doing, but I just wrote zfs-dkms and then it gave me errors, perhaps because I had previously run it without the -t backports, so the other packages were still 0.7 |
| 08:53.15 | Lope | I just rebooted. |
| 08:53.31 | Lope | So can I simply do this now? `apt install -t buster-backports zfsutils-linux` |
| 08:53.48 | Lope | or do you reckon to install the packages you mentioned rather? |
| 08:54.15 | ratrace | Lope: I'd use this on environemnts where I couldn't apt install zfs. Like OVH because they used a very custom kernel and DKMS would fail to build: https://bpa.st/NPVQ |
| 08:54.37 | ratrace | Lope: you must install all three from backports or else you'll get a buggy mixed bag from several versions |
| 08:55.47 | ratrace | this kind of evil mixed bag: https://bpa.st/N7CQ |
| 08:56.30 | Lope | hmmmm :) |
| 08:56.31 | Lope | love it |
| 08:56.38 | ratrace | this was caused by switching from stable to backports without force reinstalling _all_ zfs pkgs from backports. apparently, dependencies did not automatically rebase everything to 2.0.3. So I'll have to manually reinstall 2.0.3 and purge others |
| 08:56.56 | ratrace | 'tis a production server, so this is gonna wait for next maintenance slot |
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| 08:59.07 | ratrace | Lope: "So can I simply do this now?" yes, you can apt install -t buster-backports <all three> and it'll upgrade existing package you installed previously |
| 08:59.34 | ratrace | then apt autoremove old versions still lingering about, see my paste for which ones those would be |
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| 09:10.26 | Lope | ratrace, interesting bud, it's installing Setting up zfs-dkms (2.0.3-1~bpo10+1) |
| 09:10.47 | Lope | sorry for my silence, I was updating my script. |
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| 09:16.43 | Lope | ratrace, I had a weird issue now where it said the kernel was busy using partition 2 :/ I didn't check if it was mounted |
| 09:17.06 | Lope | I've never experienced the hetzner rescue thingy mounting partitions that are on the disks. |
| 09:17.17 | Lope | I manually deleted the partitions and rebooted :/ |
| 09:17.23 | Lope | I suppose I should have checked it out |
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| 09:25.34 | ratrace | Lope: frankly, I don't remember if the rescue system automounts existing partitions |
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| 09:26.37 | Helle | Hi, how do I stop per user the crap that Pulseaudio throws in /etc/alsa/conf.d/99-pulse.conf I have a better alsa routing in my .asoundrc, but that config file overrides it |
| 09:27.21 | ksk | Helle: masking the pulse user services, maybe? Not sure why one would do that, but.. |
| 09:27.24 | Helle | I mean I know I can globally disable it by just deleting that file |
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| 09:28.24 | Helle | ksk: no, this just forces ALSA applications to route through pulseaudio, while I have a jack based audio setup configured on that user, and doing direct alsa -> jack bridging works much more reliable then alsa -> pulse -> jack |
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| 09:29.17 | Helle | pulse -> jack is fine, it's just, I need to per user disable alsa -> pulse because FOR SOME REASON that file takes priority over my actual .asoundrc defaults |
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| 09:33.19 | Helle | oopsie |
| 09:37.05 | netcrash | Hello, good morning. Is it possible to convert a lvm partition to zfs? |
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| 09:38.56 | fireba11 | netcrash: not sure you want to try anything that makes sense .. elaborate a bit |
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| 09:46.12 | netcrash | fireball have a debian buster installed in lvm style filesystem was thinking if there is a way to do a online move from lvm to zfs |
| 09:46.23 | netcrash | but does not make sense would work |
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| 09:52.11 | fireba11 | netcrash: ah. i don't see a reasonable way to do that |
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| 10:35.22 | ratrace | netcrash: single disk, or a RAID array? |
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| 11:14.33 | DrBunsen | Hey all, I was fooling around with pihole and DNS servers, and now only my desktop(debian) can't resolve things. When I run ping duck.com it replies the IP but packages don't come through. Netflix works. I am at a loss. |
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| 11:28.28 | ksk | DrBunsen: Sounds like you altered the network config of said desktop. Revert it? |
| 11:31.08 | DrBunsen | ksk: The strangest part is, the desktop wasn't on the entire time I was fooling around. And that desktop is the only thing having issues |
| 11:31.53 | ksk | as I said, revert it back to "non pihole dns", then determine: |
| 11:32.13 | ksk | is dns working (aka is the ip correct), can I reach my gateway, can I reach the IP of $domain. |
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| 11:33.12 | ksk | Hint: You did try turning it off, and on again, yes? :) (for example that would make the DHCP leases that might have come from a pihole disappear, and let your router handle the stuff again, depending on how you did all that..) |
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| 11:34.45 | DrBunsen | ksk: I reverted everything. I turned it off and on again. The pihole is not even the DHCP(that wouldn't work somehow). I am not sure what to do next. |
| 11:35.50 | ratrace | DrBunsen: what ksk just told you to do after reverting. |
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| 11:40.42 | DrBunsen | Hmm, I can reach basically everything but ddg now. Interesting |
| 11:41.07 | DrBunsen | And that is only on that station |
| 11:42.23 | ksk | DrBunsen: then check, "is the ip correct", "is routing on the machine correct (aka default, and other, optional routes) |
| 11:42.26 | ksk | " |
| 11:42.51 | genr8_ | duck.com doesnt like being pinged |
| 11:43.14 | DrBunsen | genr8_:I noticed that, but itr doens't load in the browser either. And only on that station |
| 11:44.23 | ratrace | is that even debian or bunsenlabs linux |
| 11:44.51 | DrBunsen | Haha, no bananasharpeners for me |
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| 11:49.20 | DrBunsen | according to the internet I get the correct IPs |
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| 12:31.49 | teclo- | afternoon. what's an easy one-liner to convert a PDF document to an image like .jpg or .png ? |
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| 12:40.18 | themill | teclo-: imagemagick convert can do it as can ghostscript |
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| 13:27.00 | hegemoOn | interesting, apt update list 5 packages upgradable |
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| 13:27.07 | hegemoOn | when i run unattended-upgrade |
| 13:27.19 | hegemoOn | it upgrade libc-bin which is not part of this list |
| 13:27.20 | edernucci | Hi! Has anyone had success with screen recording using Buster? |
| 13:27.21 | hegemoOn | is it normal ? |
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| 13:45.28 | teclo- | themill: thank you |
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| 14:30.41 | hegemoOn | any good documentation about unattended upgrades |
| 14:30.55 | hegemoOn | i installed the packages buti dont have any systemd timer for it |
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| 14:44.36 | ratrace | hegemoOn: look into package contents, if there's manpages or READMEs in /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 15:29.18 | cws | hegemoOn: Do you have a timer called 'apt-daily-upgrade.timer'? |
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| 15:36.12 | ksk | hegemoOn: one good advice might be: Uninstall unattended upgrades, use something like "apticron" to be informed if updates are pending :P |
| 15:36.56 | ksk | Most people are not comfortable with the system updating itself. |
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| 15:38.42 | ksk | hegemoOn: Your question itself should be answered here: https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades#Modifying_download_and_upgrade_schedules_.28on_systemd.29 |
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| 15:40.02 | cws | ksk: unattended-upgrades can easily be configured to download only. |
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| 15:40.30 | cws | So that isn't a very good piece of advice. The correct advice is "reconfigure the package." |
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| 15:52.33 | hegemoOn | cws: no i dont |
| 15:53.11 | hegemoOn | ksk:avoiding grub* update is quite ok |
| 15:53.24 | hegemoOn | also avoiding all update requiring interactive prompt |
| 15:54.21 | hegemoOn | also i just need to be notified when i need to reboot server (ie new kernel) |
| 15:54.34 | cws | hegemoOn: If you have unattended-upgrades installed, then yes, you have that timer unit. |
| 15:54.49 | hegemoOn | well i did an apt install unattended upgrade |
| 15:55.01 | cws | Then you have that timer unit. :) |
| 15:55.03 | ksk | its part of package APT, not unattended-upgrades btw, this timer. |
| 15:55.07 | hegemoOn | but no timer installed when using systemctl list-timers --all |
| 15:55.12 | ksk | "dpkg -L apt | grep timer" |
| 15:55.31 | cws | Either way, you have the timer. |
| 15:55.36 | ksk | hegemoOn: the word we use in systemd unit/timer context is "enabled" |
| 15:55.38 | hegemoOn | ok |
| 15:56.08 | ksk | Like: The timer is installed (lying around on the disk) - you will most likely need to enable it though. "systemctl enable foobar.unit/foobar.timer" |
| 15:56.40 | cws | The timer is enabled by default. |
| 15:57.14 | hegemoOn | well why isn't it on my server then ? |
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| 15:58.05 | cws | stat /lib/systemd/system/apt-daily-upgrade.timer |
| 15:58.52 | hegemoOn | i mean why is wasnt enabled |
| 15:58.55 | hegemoOn | i just enabled |
| 15:59.03 | cws | Then stop saying its not there. |
| 15:59.40 | hegemoOn | lets redo this on another server and see what happens |
| 15:59.44 | ksk | hegemoOn: did you maybe upgrade that installation from a non-systemd variant (eg is it in existance since lenny or so) - might be the reason, not sure. |
| 16:00.28 | hegemoOn | funny, it's also disabled on another server |
| 16:00.49 | hegemoOn | lets see a fresh buster isntall then |
| 16:01.20 | ksk | I can confirm both apt-daily and apt-daily-upgrade timers are enabled on a fresh Buster install. |
| 16:01.35 | ksk | "minbase" that is, no "unattended-upgrades" installed. |
| 16:02.42 | hegemoOn | they are part of apt |
| 16:02.50 | hegemoOn | not unattended upgrade |
| 16:02.57 | cws | Correct. |
| 16:03.00 | hegemoOn | i see |
| 16:03.10 | cws | For some reason, I thought they were. Lesson learned for me. |
| 16:03.11 | hegemoOn | let me see how is it |
| 16:04.22 | hegemoOn | ok i can see which one were dist-upgrade |
| 16:04.31 | hegemoOn | and which one were installed with fresh buster |
| 16:05.45 | hegemoOn | all missing apt-update.timers were might be dist-upgraded from stretch |
| 16:08.05 | ksk | !next |
| 16:08.05 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 16:14.52 | Urk | I am wondering what is the most practical way to fix a corrupted folder/desktop problem? The folder settings and desktop appear to have been corrupted while trying to reset the XFCE desktop panel settings. As a result, there is no desktop, and anything saved to the documents folder is displayed on the desktop. Also, there is no Downloads Folder, no Pictures, no Documents, etc. I created another user, and it doesn't have that problem, but the new user |
| 16:14.52 | Urk | is a member of the same group that my primary folder is in. So I'm wondering what is the easiest way to fix this. I was thinking about changing the name of the user group that has the corrupted folder, placing the sub-user in the old user group name, and deleting the group with the problem. Is this a good strategy? |
| 16:18.32 | EdePopede | Urk, manye xdg-user-dirs-update and i'd check the list in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs |
| 16:18.46 | hegemoOn | ksk::) |
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| 16:23.01 | Urk | EdePopede: Thanks |
| 16:25.15 | Urk | Apparently Intel does post the drivers on their website for Linux https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005511/wireless.html |
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| 16:32.22 | erts | Hi there, I run Debian with KDE Plasma, but I'd like to use some window manager (not DE, non-KDE related) from time to time, but Plasma seems to somehow take over xinit. Does anybody have an idea of how to cleanly run a standalone window manager when having Plasma installed? I have a Gentoo installation and this problem doesn't exist there, I wonder what Debian is doing differently? |
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| 16:34.57 | ratrace | erts: if there's a problem, it's in ssdm, the DM that KDE uses. plasma otherwise shouldn't care about xinit |
| 16:35.10 | ratrace | *SDDM not ssdm |
| 16:36.03 | erts | ratrace: That's a very good point, SDDM has its own problems, but I tried disabling it completely and running startx, and this is where I started experimenting this "KDE xinit takeover" |
| 16:36.43 | ratrace | any "takeover" then would be in xinitrc configurations, eitehr /etc or in your ~/ |
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| 16:37.22 | erts | that's what I suspect, that KDE wrote something to /etc/X11, or that it set some env variable that xinit is using, to something of its own |
| 16:38.30 | erts | I would search for clues, but I don't know what keyword to grep around for.... I didn't seem to find any "kde", "sddm" or "plasma" references on /etc/X11 (nor in ~) |
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| 16:39.21 | ratrace | take a look what /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc does |
| 16:40.04 | ratrace | I don't have it here to check, I use lightdm for i3-wm, and I intend to switch over to sway with upgrade to bullseye for some wayland sweetness |
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| 16:41.01 | jmcnaught | Urk: I doubt it is a "corrupted folder", you probably just accidentally deleted those directories, don't remember doing it, and just need to create them again. |
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| 16:43.22 | Urk | jmcnaught: Possible, but doubt it. Resetting the panel can delete things if my understanding from the #xfce channel is correct. |
| 16:43.43 | Urk | jmcnaught: Is my proposal for a fix a reasonable one? |
| 16:43.53 | jmcnaught | Urk: not really, just make the directories again |
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| 16:46.30 | Urk | EdePopede: Is that word 'manye' a command? It isn't found when running it in root. |
| 16:46.44 | jmcnaught | Urk: stop running user related commands as root |
| 16:46.53 | EdePopede | ARGH |
| 16:46.57 | EdePopede | Urk: maybe |
| 16:47.29 | EdePopede | frigging fast fingers |
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| 16:47.56 | jmcnaught | Urk: "xdg-user-dirs-update" was the command they suggested, and you should also check your file ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs to make sure it looks like https://termbin.com/spk7 |
| 16:47.59 | Urk | EdePopede: There is no man page for Manye |
| 16:48.12 | EdePopede | s/manye/maybe/ |
| 16:48.32 | ratrace | it's ye oldden englihs. man ye xdg-user-dirs-update arrr! |
| 16:48.34 | EdePopede | i know. should i ever write a tool then i'll call it manye ;) |
| 16:48.38 | EdePopede | lol |
| 16:48.49 | jmcnaught | Not Manye West? |
| 16:49.28 | jelly | cousin of Gotye |
| 16:50.01 | ratrace | archenemy of Cantye |
| 16:50.21 | shtrb | Hurray for the DD who fixed the Bluetooth back to working testing ! |
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| 17:34.30 | trysten | pci=noaer :( |
| 17:34.44 | trysten | I'm going to have to learn 2x as much as I know now to figure this one out |
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| 17:56.04 | de-facto | how do i find the source repo for an installed package? |
| 17:57.48 | karlpinc | de-facto: apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 17:58.20 | de-facto | ,v nginx-common |
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| 17:59.21 | de-facto | apt-cache policy nginx-common shows me 1.16.1-4 from /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 17:59.39 | de-facto | not sure if i have installed it from somewhere else? |
| 17:59.53 | de-facto | i cant find such a version in the repos |
| 18:00.09 | karlpinc | de-facto: I think apt-cache it will also take "--installed". |
| 18:00.55 | de-facto | hmm it does not tell me the upstream repo for the installed version of it |
| 18:00.58 | karlpinc | !snapshot |
| 18:00.59 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 18:02.21 | jmcnaught | !which repo |
| 18:02.21 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try https://www.palfrader.org/gitweb/?p=tools/weaselutils.git;a=blob_plain;f=apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list> |
| 18:02.48 | jmcnaught | de-facto: apt/dpkg does not really keep track of where a package came from, only where it is available from now⦠but you might have some luck with above ^^ |
| 18:02.48 | karlpinc | !changelog |
| 18:02.49 | dpkg | The Debian changelog for foo can be found in /usr/share/doc/foo/ if foo is installed. From a .deb, "apt-listchanges -a foo.deb" or "dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile foo.deb| tar --wildcards -xOf - '*changelog.Debian.gz'|zless". You can also "aptitude changelog foo" or go to http://changelogs.debian.net/bar if foo is built from source package bar. See also <apt-listchanges>. |
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| 18:03.53 | de-facto | aaah now i understand seems i have compiled it myself some time ago and forgot about it |
| 18:04.25 | de-facto | so there is no repo for it at all |
| 18:04.59 | de-facto | lol my memory is leaky :P |
| 18:05.11 | Paerox | Whenever I attempt to do anything with docker on my server, I see a lot of failed login attempts with my username for the ssh-service in the journal. How do I give the docker service the right credentials? |
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| 18:32.53 | Paerox | ...my username is a member of the docker group btw |
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| 19:00.38 | edlou | hey there, new to debian , https://i.imgur.com/v6j4PCU.png |
| 19:00.45 | edlou | curious how i approach something like this |
| 19:01.06 | edlou | says there are unmet dependencies and some are not installable, trying to get ssh server set up |
| 19:03.10 | jmcnaught | edlou: hello, can you make a pastebin (text, not screenshot) of these commands: "apt policy openssh-server openssh-sftp-server libwrap0 ; apt policy" ? |
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| 19:06.17 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/ if you don't know a good one |
| 19:07.27 | edlou | i cant because i cant ssh into the system :( |
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| 19:07.50 | edlou | the screenshot is from novnc |
| 19:07.56 | edlou | im trying to get ssh running so i can open a shell |
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| 19:08.14 | jmcnaught | edlou: did you install Debian without networking? |
| 19:08.32 | edlou | jmcnaught: i did a netinstall then set up the nic after booting in |
| 19:09.24 | jmcnaught | edlou: your sources.list probably does not have any mirrors in it then, you should edit it to look like one of the examples on this page: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list (depending on whether you want non-free or not) |
| 19:10.22 | edlou | i tried from here https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list |
| 19:10.28 | edlou | somehow told me the source was invalid -_- |
| 19:10.43 | jmcnaught | edlou: then you need to find and correct mistakes |
| 19:10.46 | edlou | "The list of sources could not be read" Malformed entry |
| 19:10.56 | edlou | i deleted it and typed it over again im not sure why its doing this |
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| 19:12.31 | Paerox | Nevermind my previous question. I fixed it! |
| 19:13.56 | edlou | i think novnc may be playing tricks on me, i dont understand :( the sources list has brown/green/red/pink but when i type it only does brown and pink |
| 19:14.10 | jelly | edlou, which editor are you using and what does your /etc/apt/sources.list look right now? |
| 19:14.49 | edlou | im updating it again. typing it doesnt work, i managed to use the vnc tool to CTRL+K CTRL+U in nano to save the formatting |
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| 19:14.59 | edlou | when i type deb http://.... buster main it shows everything after deb in purple |
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| 19:15.13 | edlou | but when i copy the original entry it shows it in all 4 colors, brown green red pink |
| 19:15.22 | jelly | I have no idea what "purple" means in context. Show the file contents. |
| 19:15.23 | edlou | i have no understanding of this ,sorry |
| 19:15.56 | edlou | https://i.imgur.com/BUbgBgJ.png |
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| 19:17.04 | jelly | edlou, the last 4 lines have a semicolon ; instead of a colon : after http |
| 19:17.47 | jelly | but you seem to have a proper mirror above, so it's not that |
| 19:18.03 | edlou | ;( dang you are right, the stupid vnc, i have to click 3 buttons every time i need to shift/ctrl/alt |
| 19:18.09 | edlou | im just trying to get into the shell!!! lol |
| 19:18.12 | Urk | Has anyone successfully run Whatsapp on the Debian Linux desktop? |
| 19:18.18 | jelly | edlou, comment out those added lines. perhaps you just need to run "apt update" |
| 19:19.09 | edlou | hey it looks like the new sources worked |
| 19:19.16 | edlou | =D |
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| 19:20.17 | edlou | thanks guys |
| 19:20.27 | edlou | i am going to go play around in shell and not make noob mistakes like : and ; now ;) |
| 19:20.42 | jelly | thuys. |
| 19:20.54 | edlou | Linux debby 4.19.0-14-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.171-2 (2021-01-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:21.01 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 19:21.19 | jelly | sighs |
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| 19:22.26 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 19:22.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-4-686 (5.10.19-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-4-686 (5.10.19-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.10.13-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-14-686-pae (4.19.171-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.14-686 (4.19.171-2~deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 19:22.28 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
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| 20:48.12 | horribleprogram | okay so I'm ssh'd into my debian |
| 20:48.20 | horribleprogram | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:761a Ralink Technology, Corp. MT7610U ("Archer T2U" 2.4G+5G WLAN Adapter |
| 20:48.43 | horribleprogram | my BBB runs 4.19.19-bone-rt-r21 buster |
| 20:49.22 | horribleprogram | there was a package that got this working on my x64 debian computer |
| 20:49.30 | sney | ,i firmware-ralink |
| 20:49.32 | judd | Package firmware-ralink (non-free/oldlibs, optional) in buster/amd64: Binary firmware for Ralink wireless cards (dummmy package). Version: 20190114-2; Size: 17.3k; Installed: 23k |
| 20:49.57 | sney | dummy package, maybe they merged it into one of the others |
| 20:49.58 | ratrace | what is this abomination: 4.19.19-bone-rt-r21 |
| 20:49.59 | horribleprogram | wow |
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| 20:50.22 | horribleprogram | this question be asked so many times u got it hardcoded into a bot? |
| 20:50.23 | sney | and yeah, your rando kernel there may complicate things |
| 20:50.29 | horribleprogram | rando kernel? |
| 20:50.35 | sney | that's not a standard debian kernel. |
| 20:50.40 | horribleprogram | da fuck is it |
| 20:50.44 | ratrace | that ain't debian kernel at all |
| 20:50.54 | ratrace | dat ain' debian |
| 20:50.54 | horribleprogram | Linux beaglebone 4.19.19-bone-rt-r21 #1buster Wed Feb 6 10:46:03 UTC 2019 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 20:51.20 | sney | wifi drivers are in the kernel, sometimes they need firmware for support, but a 3rd party kernel package may have oddball patches or be unpredictable otherwise |
| 20:51.23 | horribleprogram | why my default username "debian" |
| 20:51.37 | horribleprogram | I installed the package btw |
| 20:52.12 | horribleprogram | OH |
| 20:52.46 | horribleprogram | inside /etc/apt/sources.list, there's an actual comment, Kernel source (repos.rcn-ee.com): https://github.com/RobertCNelson/linux-stable-rcn-ee |
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| 20:53.34 | horribleprogram | so yeah this guy forked linux |
| 20:53.41 | horribleprogram | and made his own image I guess |
| 20:53.54 | sney | a lot of those SoC vendors roll their own custom image |
| 20:54.03 | horribleprogram | mhm |
| 20:54.30 | horribleprogram | Error /net/connman/technology/wifi: Method "Scan" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Technology" doesn't exist ? |
| 20:54.45 | horribleprogram | iwconfig "no wireless extenions" |
| 20:55.02 | sney | if the wifi driver is missing firmware, then it won't work, and you'll get messages like that. |
| 20:55.04 | horribleprogram | maybe reboot or unplug and plug in the thingy, I mean lsusb sees it |
| 20:55.21 | horribleprogram | sudo apt-get install firmware-ralink worked |
| 20:55.24 | sney | reboot, replug, reload the driver, whatever |
| 20:55.28 | horribleprogram | kk |
| 20:55.37 | sney | if it still doesn't work then ask the beaglebone people |
| 20:56.07 | horribleprogram | mhm |
| 20:56.17 | horribleprogram | ty tho u guys have been good help |
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| 21:23.24 | cybrNaut | w.r.t. grub, I don't know if debian used x86_64-efi or x86_64-xen as a target |
| 21:23.32 | cybrNaut | how can i find out? |
| 21:24.12 | Randolf | How can I get the outbound IP address specified to actually use the outbound IP address I specify? For example, I have multiple IP addresses bound in my static network configuration, but need to connect outbound from a specific IP which is not the primary one. |
| 21:24.33 | Randolf | I'll use a command like this: telnet -b <secondary-IP> <target> |
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| 21:24.52 | Randolf | On my target system, I see a connection from the primary IP , and not the one specified with -b. |
| 21:25.02 | Randolf | Is this a known problem with Debian's networking? |
| 21:25.15 | cybrNaut | i'm struggling to even work out the difference between xen and efi, because xen *is* efi, apparently |
| 21:25.23 | Randolf | I'm using Debian 10.8. |
| 21:26.42 | cybrNaut | /boot/grub/grub.cfg makes no mention of "--target" |
| 21:27.39 | cybrNaut | i also checked /etc/default/grub |
| 21:27.53 | sney | cybrNaut: check if you have grub-efi or grub-xen installed (or grub-pc). and look at the scripts in /etc/grub.d because they're where most of the grub.cfg sausage gets made |
| 21:29.38 | cybrNaut | sney: i have grub-pc installed |
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| 21:30.40 | sney | then I believe your target is i386-pc |
| 21:30.54 | cybrNaut | sney: thanks! |
| 21:31.15 | sney | the standard bios/legacy one and usually what's used for vm guests, unless some efi-specific feature is needed |
| 21:31.37 | cybrNaut | seems unexpected though, because a lot of stuff is amd 64 i think |
| 21:32.42 | sney | 32-bit and 64-bit x86 are identical for a lot of low-level stuff, this is one of them it seems |
| 21:33.16 | sney | nobody literally uses i386 anymore either, it's 686 at the very least, but the architecture still has that name |
| 21:33.58 | cybrNaut | it's a 12 y.o. machine, but amd64 is the platform for most of the packages. Perhaps my hardware doesn't do UEFI, so grub has to treat it as i386.. does that sound right? |
| 21:34.34 | greycat | grub-pc is for "Legacy" booting, what BIOS machines use, and what some newer machines can be configured to use |
| 21:34.43 | greycat | it has nothing to do with amd64 or i386 |
| 21:35.01 | sney | this desktop I'm typing on is about that old, and doesn't have efi. so it's likely that either efi is missing, or it's an early enough implementation that it only supports windows |
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| 21:35.19 | cybrNaut | ok, cool. thanks! i feel confident with i386-pc then |
| 21:35.21 | Randolf | All my servers have been purely 64-bit for well over a decade. The only time I need 32-bit is in Windows XP and I normally virtualize that so it hasn't been a problem. |
| 21:35.27 | n4dir | and i am not sure if debian-amd64 has really much more packages than debian-i386, but perhaps you mean third party applications |
| 21:36.11 | n4dir | if it wasn't for vcvRack, which is only available as an amd64 AppImage i'd probably still be on i386. |
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| 21:37.15 | cybrNaut | i'm trying to follow this guide to make a multibooting USB stick: https://web.archive.org/web/20201124070428/www.pendrivelinux.com/boot-multiple-iso-from-usb-via-grub2-using-linux/ |
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| 21:37.45 | cybrNaut | step III.2.a is where this comes up |
| 21:38.37 | sney | right, so c) grub2 bios is the one that applies to you |
| 21:38.42 | cybrNaut | I can replace "--target=x86_64-efi" with "--target=i386-pc", but i'm not sure what to do with the "--efi-directory=/mnt/USB" |
| 21:39.19 | cybrNaut | ah, i see |
| 21:39.29 | cybrNaut | i should have read further |
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| 22:08.53 | wsky | i really like the default wallpaper for bullseye :f |
| 22:09.31 | Unit193 | Bullseye has some top notch artwork, the plymouth and grub screens are great. |
| 22:10.27 | wsky | yeah, plymouth could contains more details, but other than that it's great |
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| 22:39.14 | KjetilK | I have the latest intel-microcode, and DSA-4701-1 should have been fixed long ago, but I just noticed that |
| 22:39.22 | KjetilK | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.12 | KjetilK | this box is well defended behind the firewall and stuff, but still, I'm wondering how I can fix this vuln, any advice? |
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| 22:43.16 | oxek_ | KjetilK: cpu? currently loaded microcode version? debian version? microcode package version? did you reboot? did you update your bios? |
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| 22:43.44 | oxek_ | lots of the intel microcodes have been reverted because they cause hangs |
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| 22:44.04 | oxek_ | especially if the bios is outdated |
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| 22:44.23 | KjetilK | right. No, I haven't done anything to the BIOS |
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| 22:44.45 | KjetilK | I have a Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1230 v5 @ 3.40GHz |
| 22:45.43 | KjetilK | dmesg says |
| 22:45.49 | KjetilK | [ 1.220156] microcode: sig=0x506e3, pf=0x2, revision=0xd6 |
| 22:45.50 | KjetilK | [ 1.220727] microcode: Microcode Update Driver: v2.2. |
| 22:46.16 | oxek_ | yeah, that one has been downgraded |
| 22:46.21 | KjetilK | it is an uptodate Buster |
| 22:46.26 | oxek_ | so complain to intel and tell them to fix their mess |
| 22:46.31 | KjetilK | right :-) |
| 22:46.34 | KjetilK | hmpf |
| 22:46.37 | oxek_ | and complain to the motherboard vendor too |
| 22:47.12 | oxek_ | KjetilK: https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//non-free/i/intel-microcode/intel-microcode_3.20201118.1~deb10u1_changelog |
| 22:47.18 | KjetilK | yeah, I could have sworn that problem had been fixed when I checked just after that debacle broke last year, so I was surprised to see that it wasn't now |
| 22:47.31 | oxek_ | that link has the history of that issue |
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| 22:48.23 | oxek_ | if you really want to, you can install the buster-backports version of the package, which no longer downgrades those microcodes, but you'll likely end up with random system hangs |
| 22:48.37 | oxek_ | unless you have a properly working bios |
| 22:48.42 | KjetilK | heh |
| 22:48.53 | KjetilK | the attack surface here is pretty small |
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| 22:49.17 | oxek_ | I have yet to see evidence of any of these CPU flaws ever being exploited in the wild |
| 22:49.26 | KjetilK | right |
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| 22:50.22 | oxek_ | not saying it doesn't happen, but I'm certainly saying that unless you're working on a nuclear weapons research, you probably don't need to worry |
| 22:50.48 | KjetilK | Yeah, I kinda gave up on the nuclear weapons research ;-) |
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| 22:51.46 | KjetilK | it is just on my own internal box, performing file server duties, database server, that kind of thing |
| 22:51.47 | oxek_ | yeah, I gave up on it when I saw nobody would ever use those things anyway, so it's wasted effort |
| 22:52.00 | KjetilK | yeah |
| 22:52.38 | oxek_ | it's really demotivating when you work on something designed to go big boom, but you never get to do that big boom |
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| 22:53.27 | KjetilK | I have a friend from university who did go into that line of research though, not to make them go boom, but to prevent prolifiration |
| 22:53.48 | fakuve | Hi , I'm trying to convert a hex stream to decimal "od -x hexfile.txt > converted-file.txt" . Issue is that it prints the offset bytes in the first column ,I'm ready the --help and I don't find the option to supress that? |
| 22:54.45 | KjetilK | anyway, thanks a lot, oxek_, I'll leave it at that, and hopefully, things will have improved by bullseye |
| 22:55.48 | oxek | KjetilK: things will not improve unless people complain to intel and motherboard manufacturers (and stop buying until it's fixed) |
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| 23:02.08 | KjetilK | yeah, there's not much market pressure in one dude complaining |
| 23:02.22 | KjetilK | but I'll check if there is a bios upgrade available |
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| 23:20.57 | jhutchins | I am so glad that no-one is getting me up at 02:00 to patch a critical vulnerability on 750 servers and fix all the ones that didn't take it well. |
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| 23:34.19 | oxek | jhutchins: I'd love to have that job, if it means i get paid for it. |
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| 23:50.18 | JordiGH | The netinst is still good for a bootable, rescue media, right? |
| 23:50.26 | dvs | yes |
| 23:51.09 | sney | it doesn't have a lot of rescue tools, but it's fine for a shell that can get you into a system that didn't boot properly |
| 23:52.13 | sney | for rescuing debian systems that need more work, see grml |
| 23:52.26 | JordiGH | Yeah, just in case I need to fix a broken grub or something. |
| 23:53.17 | JordiGH | just do `cp netinst.iso /dev/sdb` where /dev/sdb is my usb, right? |
| 23:53.46 | dvs | JordiGH: do a sync afterwards |
| 23:55.18 | JordiGH | okok |
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