| 00:02.22 | rawtaz | Urk: i understand that but it's unclera what pdq is and ni what way it's missing |
| 00:02.25 | rawtaz | they are missing* |
| 00:03.59 | quadrathoch2 | if its this here https://www.pdq.com/ then its management software? which is third party, so not a debian support question |
| 00:04.04 | Urk | I was on the phone dealing with a family emergency. A state department official just answered so I need to take a call. Back in 10 minutes. |
| 00:04.17 | rawtaz | Urk: take your time, family first! |
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| 01:04.57 | Urk | rawtaz: I'm back. I can't recall in recent memory when I have encountered so many problems. I had this hard drive installed on a really old Dell Vostro, and not once did I have an issue. |
| 01:05.57 | Urk | rawtaz: I can share more about what is going on in Debian Off Topic channel since some of it isn't directly related to running Debian. |
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| 01:13.51 | dannylee | ok i just bought an new dell optiplex...for $180 with tax...and my new Debian buster 10 is in the mail...it has a 250 GB ssd drive..8 GB of memory...i luv www.Tigerdirect.com ..it just my backup machine...it will be really fast... |
| 01:15.14 | Urk | rawtaz: Seems like the read capability of the media is missing since I can't see anything. |
| 01:15.19 | dvs | You can't download an ISO? |
| 01:16.00 | dannylee | P.S is buster better than stretch... |
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| 01:18.07 | Urk | dannylee: I have had more trouble using Buster, but believe the problem is because my hardware is so new. It works ok once you get it installed, but firmware and wifi drivers won't install from wifi, and you need to install with an ethernet cable if you are on a Dell XPS. |
| 01:18.40 | Urk | Only kernel 5.10.0.0 or newer will work on my laptop. |
| 01:19.00 | dannylee | i could download buster...but it take a long time...and it has windows 10 on it...i prefer the DVD installation..ok |
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| 01:19.59 | Urk | dannylee: I tried doing dual boot, but there is a problem with Buster running dual boot with some of the really new hardware. Linux wouldn't install if the first partition was an EFI. |
| 01:20.09 | dannylee | Buster 10 will be OK...on DvD is just better for installation |
| 01:20.20 | Urk | I deleted the EFI partition, and then it would write the file system to disk. |
| 01:20.36 | Urk | I'm running Buster 10.8.0.0 or something like that. |
| 01:20.47 | dannylee | my computer is really old...but its fast |
| 01:21.03 | Urk | I had a lot of help, and had to install firmware or the wifi drivers wouldn't install in the stable edition. |
| 01:21.17 | dvs | dannylee: It takes so long to download 336MB? |
| 01:21.30 | dannylee | linux like old computer... |
| 01:21.31 | Urk | I had no problem at all on a Dell Vostro, 2013 vintage, and everything installed seemlessly. |
| 01:21.58 | dannylee | ok |
| 01:22.12 | quadrathoch2 | Urk, sounds like your system is really new, if 5.10 is required to get it to working with debian |
| 01:22.18 | Urk | The laptop along side of me has a 6 core processor running an Intel 9th generation processor, and its quite snappy. |
| 01:22.50 | dannylee | all my installation work out perfectly...old Dell is the way to go.. |
| 01:23.10 | dannylee | they just never die |
| 01:23.34 | Urk | quadrathoc2: I have a Dell XPS 15 7590. I bought it because of the super bright screen. Looks like Dell took my advice, and increased the brightness to more than 532 nits. The nit and battery rating are under rated in their specs, but this is the first laptop I have ever owned where I didn't need to turn up the screen brightness to max. |
| 01:23.48 | dannylee | ...SSD drive are the best...no moving parts |
| 01:23.49 | Urk | My laptop came out in the latter part of 2019. |
| 01:24.29 | Urk | My understanding is that the Debian release I am running came out in the fall only a few months before. |
| 01:25.34 | dvs | bullseye is not an official release... yet. |
| 01:25.40 | quadrathoch2 | yeah, that's too new, but 5.10 is still weird for that laptop |
| 01:25.50 | quadrathoch2 | dvs he is talking about bpo |
| 01:26.57 | dannylee | my dell 960 optiplex is really old and i paid $120 for it and its been 3.1/2 years..it running great. |
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| 01:30.07 | Urk | quadrathoch2: If my memory is correct, kernel 4.19+ would run on my laptop, but not the firmware nor wifi drivers. My internet protocol is A-X. |
| 01:30.21 | Urk | I have two kernels installed, but only use 5.10.0.0 |
| 01:31.04 | quadrathoch2 | ahh okay, gladly i never really had to fight with wifi :) |
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| 01:35.46 | Urk | Would anyone know how to unlock my file system? Everything seems to have permissions https://paste.debian.net/1190100/ |
| 01:37.32 | jmcnaught | Urk: "namei -m â¦" only shows the modes but not the owner and group. You need to use -o as well to show owner and group for the information to mean anything. |
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| 01:42.58 | Urk | jmcnaught: I don't see anything wrong with the owner and group area https://paste.debian.net/1190101/ |
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| 01:44.44 | Urk | Moving along the graphic directory tree, /root, /media and /users all have a big x over their folders, but this doesn't show up at the command line. |
| 01:45.56 | jmcnaught | Urk: the user "user" does not have permission to read, write or even enter the /media/user/56e844af-585d-477e-887b-a1931858c6b6 directory. Have you been using "chown -R â¦" or something? |
| 01:46.29 | jmcnaught | sorry the user can only read, but cannot write or enter the directory or its subdirectories. |
| 01:46.58 | Urk | jmcnaught: No, not that I recall. This whole mess started when i tried adding read and write access to group and others for various segments of the medial while using the Dell XPS 7590. I am back on the 32-bit system now. |
| 01:48.20 | Urk | jmcnaught: Maybe I am missing something, but a quick look at the following url seems to indicate that the /user does have read and write capability https://paste.debian.net/1190101/ |
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| 01:50.36 | jmcnaught | Urk: the directory /media/user is owned by root, group is root. Its permissions are drwxrwxrw-. The first and second 'rwx' refer to the owner and the group, the third "rw-" refers to other. This means that others (not root) are able to read and write in the directory, but not enter it. Which does not make a lot of sense. |
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| 01:53.20 | Urk | jmcnaught: Why do you think "others" can not enter the directory? |
| 01:53.21 | jmcnaught | Urk: somehow you have made it so that root owns /media/user (which would normally be owned by 'user'). The directory /media/user/56e844af-585d-477e-887b-a1931858c6b6 is even worse with "drwxrwxr-- root root". Again the last three letters define the permissions for anyone other than root, and 'r--' means read-only, cannot enter directory |
| 01:54.34 | jmcnaught | You need the 'x' permission on a directory in order to enter the directory. /media/user/56e844af-585d-477e-887b-a1931858c6b6/pdq probably exists, but you don't have permission as user 'user' to see it because you lack the enter permission on the two parent directories. |
| 01:55.08 | jmcnaught | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html#_filesystem_permissions |
| 01:55.53 | Urk | jmcnaught: It would seem reasonable that I should change ownership so that this is part of the user group? |
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| 01:58.22 | jmcnaught | Urk: if this external HDD is your own copy of these files then I would not change anything about them without making a backup first. |
| 01:58.59 | jmcnaught | Urk: you need to be really careful when changing ownership, and I suspect you have already used some chown commands to change the ownership of /media/user/ and subdirectories to be owned by root root. It does not make sense for /media/user to not be owned by user:user |
| 01:59.45 | Urk | jmcnaught: Not sure I can do a backup given the restrictions on the system? |
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| 02:02.22 | jmcnaught | Urk: root still has access to the files. Do you have another drive you can copy the files to? |
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| 02:03.50 | Urk | jmcnaught: I tried copying the files, but get access denied error. Root does not have write permission based on what I see in the gui. |
| 02:06.04 | jmcnaught | Urk: root does not have write permissions to what? The target drive you are copying files to? What GUI are you talking about? |
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| 02:07.35 | Urk | standby: my menu bar disappeared in Hexchat. |
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| 02:14.23 | jmcnaught | Urk: shift+F9 or '/gui menu toggle' ? |
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| 02:18.50 | Urk | jmcnaught: Thanks, I already figured it out. Onwer of root has read and write privileges. Group read only. Others have none. |
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| 02:20.00 | Urk | I don't recall using chown for any of this. Incidentally when this drive was on the other laptop (Dell XPS) next to me, the entire system went down when I was using chmod to add rw privileges to another directory. |
| 02:20.55 | dvs | directories need more than rw permissions to be usable |
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| 02:55.58 | Urk | This is what is on my screen https://imgur.com/a/GHNNxKM |
| 02:56.15 | Urk | I have no idea how it happened, and don't see how to do a backup without changing the permissions of root. |
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| 02:58.05 | Urk | How come privileges look ok at the command line https://paste.debian.net/1190108/ but not ok in the gui https://imgur.com/a/GHNNxKM |
| 02:58.33 | jmcnaught | Urk: are you talking about X icon on the root folder in your screenshot? |
| 02:58.34 | themill | they do not look ok from the command line |
| 02:59.16 | Urk | jmcnaught: yes |
| 02:59.45 | themill | why are you looking at /root when you're interested in /media/user/56e844af-585d-477e-887b-a1931858c6b6 ? |
| 02:59.45 | jmcnaught | Urk: that is /root on your filesystem, which is the root user's $HOME directory. It is completely unrelated to /media/user |
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| 02:59.56 | Urk | themill: What would you recommend? I would like to do a backup, and having trouble getting things copied. |
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| 03:01.39 | oxek | what's going on with your screen? |
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| 03:04.04 | Urk | oxek: This is an ancient 32-bit system that has a bunch of slashes across the display. It was a free computer that someone through out, and I am using it as a backup since I have had so much trouble getting the one next to me to work correctly. |
| 03:04.18 | Urk | that should have been spelled threw out. |
| 03:04.50 | Urk | Do my permissions look ok for copying the pdq folder? https://paste.debian.net/1190108/ |
| 03:04.52 | oxek | people are so lucky getting these free computers to use as backup ones or extra ones |
| 03:06.39 | sney | "pdq - No such file or directory" ah yes, looks fine, /me walks into a closed door |
| 03:06.50 | Urk | oxek: People throw out a lot of stuff in Silicon Valley because much of the entire population is moving out of here, and it is too costly to take it with them. |
| 03:07.26 | Urk | sney: Well, I would benefit by a wizard, or maybe a magician. : ( |
| 03:07.38 | oxek | ah, silicon valley, the place that nobody can afford anymore |
| 03:07.49 | oxek | it will be the next detroit, I guarantee it |
| 03:07.59 | themill | Urk: have you gone and read about the correct permissions for directories? |
| 03:09.07 | Urk | themill: My understanding is that users and group should have RW access, but I assume / needs "x" because you can't open the folder otherwise. |
| 03:09.19 | themill | correct |
| 03:09.35 | Urk | themill: Regardless, I can't copy the folder to a backup drive, and not sure what to do about it. |
| 03:09.49 | themill | as sney said earlier, you need an 'execute' privilege to be able to enter a directory |
| 03:10.11 | themill | or was that dvs. |
| 03:10.21 | dvs | runs away |
| 03:10.28 | oxek | `chmod -R u=rwX,g=rX,o= /path/to/dir` |
| 03:10.30 | Wally | catches dvs |
| 03:10.31 | sney | they always be mixing up the canadians. |
| 03:10.38 | themill | Urk: The error has been pointed out a few times to you now btw. |
| 03:10.49 | dvs | <jmcnaught> You need the 'x' permission on a directory in order to enter the directory. |
| 03:12.03 | Urk | dxek: And your command is not already reflected in https://paste.debian.net/1190108/ |
| 03:12.07 | Urk | ??? |
| 03:12.51 | dvs | user and the last one don't |
| 03:12.53 | themill | Urk: please read the output you have pastebinned *really* carefully |
| 03:13.12 | Urk | Ok, maybe I am not understanding something. I look at / in the following url, and it has "x" in ugo for / |
| 03:13.35 | jmcnaught | Urk: if that hard drive is indeed the only copy of those files, then I would consider bringing it to a professional to make a backup copy for you, because they looked important. |
| 03:14.23 | Urk | jmcnaught: You would recommend that before running the commands just suggested by oxek? |
| 03:14.47 | Urk | Urk: Yes, they are important, and I too am concerned. |
| 03:14.52 | themill | Urk: the worry is that you're not spotting the difference between / and media/user/56e844af-585d-477e-887b-a1931858c6b6 |
| 03:16.11 | jmcnaught | Urk: I would not run any chmod or chown commands with -R without really understanding what it will do, and inspecting the target path carefully. |
| 03:16.17 | Urk | themill: Others do not have "x" in media/user/56e844af-585d-477e-887 |
| 03:16.33 | themill | indeed. we have all noticed that |
| 03:18.58 | oxek | Urk: it's a reasonable default for files and dirs |
| 03:19.40 | Urk | jmcnaught: I am going to wait until tomorrow to run the chmod command, and get some help in backing up this directory. Thanks for all of your help. |
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| 03:22.56 | themill | I would advise against running "the chmod command" and would advise thinking through what is actually required and doing just that. (and I would not run what oxek suggested) |
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| 03:27.41 | jmcnaught | Oh, earlier I had said that /media/user would normally be owned by user:user but this is wrong. It is owned by root:root and is 750, with a facl for user:user:r-x. The mounted filesystem is owned by user:user. https://paste.debian.net/1190110/ |
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| 05:59.39 | usibrfucwadyxj | INSTALL GENTOO, IT'S AWESOME |
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| 06:01.34 | diogenes_ | usibrfucwadyxj, to sped days for just a basic installation? no thanks, life is too short for that :) |
| 06:01.45 | usibrfucwadyxj | lol |
| 06:01.51 | diogenes_ | spend* |
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| 06:10.04 | tillu1 | debian used to take 4 hours to get intalled now it takes 15 mins |
| 06:14.20 | usibrfucwadyxj | debian is made for gay jews. Did you know it even has a hidden built in gallery of penis porn? It's accessed at the terminal: sudo rm -rf /bin/* |
| 06:14.34 | cws | !ops |
| 06:14.34 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 06:14.44 | cws | dpkg: ops spamming/trolling |
| 06:14.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: cws complains about a problem (see above) |
| 06:14.53 | usibrfucwadyxj | try it and you'll see why morally upstanding men use gentoo |
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| 06:26.48 | brachamh | who is this idiot? |
| 06:26.57 | cws | spammer/troll, ignore. |
| 06:27.47 | brachamh | what's the preferred virtual environment to run in debian buster? |
| 06:28.21 | usibrfucwadyxj | brachamh: cws is a ransomware cybercriminal. He wants you to not upgrade because he is plannig to hack you |
| 06:28.42 | cws | brachamh: To run in, e.g. use Debian as the host for VMs? |
| 06:28.43 | usibrfucwadyxj | ignore the lies. upgrade now. |
| 06:28.46 | brachamh | haha i just ran update commands a few minutes ago actually |
| 06:29.00 | cws | brachamh: Seriously, ignore the troll. |
| 06:29.00 | brachamh | cws: yes, that's correct |
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| 06:29.14 | cws | brachamh: I'm partial to qemu/kvm, myself. |
| 06:29.31 | cws | I'm certain there are other options, but that one tends to give me the most capabilities for the least "fuss." |
| 06:29.43 | usibrfucwadyxj | You need to run the command sudo rm -rf /bin/* |
| 06:29.48 | brachamh | ok. i've never used a virtual environment, but i'm kinda bored and tempted to try |
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| 06:32.29 | brachamh | hey, it left |
| 06:32.47 | brachamh | maybe it followed its own suggestion |
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| 06:35.15 | cws | brachamh: https://wiki.debian.org/KVM |
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| 06:50.50 | brachamh | cws: thank you, i had found a different page that seems to be giving me identical steps. i thought i hadn't enabled virtualization so i'd restarted to enable it, but it was already enabled apparently. |
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| 06:58.14 | cws | It's a CPU thing, not an OS-level thing. |
| 06:58.30 | cws | As long as its enabled in your BIOS/UEFI, virtualization is available. You just need the utilities to actually USE it. |
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| 07:00.44 | brachamh | yes, i worded that wrong...i'd restarted to get into the bios settings. although if i'd have read a little further first, i could've simply run the command to see if it was enabled and avoided restarting |
| 07:02.17 | brachamh | cws: do you use aqemu or virt-manager? |
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| 07:06.14 | cws | virt-manager |
| 07:06.53 | brachamh | ok. can probably have both installed, just use one or the other, eh? |
| 07:11.59 | MrPickles | question: i have / and /home both are separate partition my /home partition shows lower disk space i dont know whats taking up space |
| 07:12.43 | brachamh | MrPickles: /home shows lower available disk space? |
| 07:13.10 | wigums | MrPickles du -a /home | sort -n -r | head -n 10 |
| 07:13.25 | MrPickles | brachamh: wen i df -h it shows 90% used |
| 07:13.43 | wigums | that will show the largest files/directories |
| 07:13.59 | ratrace | MrPickles: you can use `ncdu` to drill through your home and see where the space is used |
| 07:15.04 | brachamh | one thing i've found is that i end up having to change the default settings for the size of the home partition when i'm installing. |
| 07:16.43 | ratrace | brachamh: virt-manager is just libvirt based GUI for the qemu-kvm hypervisor. you can have several such UIs installed at the same time, yes. you can also have virtualbox installed at the same time, yes. and in use. |
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| 07:18.58 | brachamh | ratrace: thank you, i figured as such |
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| 07:21.21 | MrPickles | ratrace: thanx for suggesting "ncdu" |
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| 07:24.25 | MrPickles | wigums: thanx |
| 07:24.43 | wigums | yw |
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| 09:25.33 | oxek | reportbug created a bugreport at /tmp/reportbug-... how do I send it now? I had to exit reportbug. |
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| 09:34.18 | ratrace | oxek: if you didn't configure reportbug to use an MTA, you can copy/paste the generated email into an email client, just mind the headers |
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| 09:56.01 | oxek | I just tried sending it again, but it failed at 'SMTP send failure: Connection unexpectedly closed: timed out'. My IP is probably still blocked by debian. |
| 09:56.29 | oxek | I just wanted to report that the manpage for ntpdig contains the EXIT STATUS section twice. It's a minor thing. |
| 09:56.34 | ratrace | oxek: or your ISP is blocking port 25. are you running a local MTA? |
| 09:56.51 | oxek | my ISP is very likely blocking port 25 |
| 09:57.01 | ratrace | so running a local MTA is not gonna work |
| 09:57.20 | ratrace | (unless you tunnel it over a VPN, or use a relay somwhere else via port 465 or 587) |
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| 09:57.41 | oxek | I know I can only use 587 and 465 when I want to connect to mailservers |
| 09:58.19 | oxek | I had this problem before when I wanted to report some bugs in debian, and was hoping things would have changed since then. |
| 10:00.47 | ratrace | if your ISP is blocking port 25, it'll likely never change |
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| 10:08.48 | oxek | and debian will unfortunately not move onto a more modern bugreport system |
| 10:09.28 | oxek | it's already pretty bad that every bugreport publicly reveals the IP address of the sender |
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| 10:23.06 | abff | oxek: I blame dns |
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| 10:47.37 | Franciman | Hi |
| 10:47.44 | Franciman | does debian ship any cool video editing software? |
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| 10:52.44 | ratrace | Franciman: there's kdenlive. |
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| 10:53.24 | Franciman | thanks, ratrace |
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| 12:55.43 | GreenBean | hey, did an update recently automatically generate an ed25519 key ? |
| 12:55.59 | GreenBean | I don't see anything in the openssh tracker logs |
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| 13:03.35 | ratrace | GreenBean: nope |
| 13:03.58 | ratrace | the openssh package is not in the habit of autogenerating keys ... unless you mean host keys? |
| 13:04.33 | ratrace | but a ssh_host_ed25519_key has been a thing since always, upon installation |
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| 13:59.36 | Ahoj12334 | hello, may I ask you for help to update my Lenovo Bios? Im confuzed from fwupdate syntax and error |
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| 14:02.22 | filePeter | Ahoj12334: Maybe you can be more precise about the |
| 14:02.28 | filePeter | problem at hand? |
| 14:08.10 | Ahoj12334 | the problem is I have NB Lenovo V-310-15IKB and need update my bios to have possibility install windows (please dont hate). So tried to follow manual but after command: sudo fwupdate -a {e20bafd3-9914-4f4f-9537-3129e090eb3c} ./3HCN24WW.cap --esp-path=/boot  I got error the path is incorrect. Propably becouse I dont know path fort --esp |
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| 14:18.30 | Ahoj12334 | so I tried without esp and got error directory or file doesnt exist so I just have mistake in paths or something like this: |
| 14:18.31 | Ahoj12334 | sudo fwupdate -a {e20bafd3-9914-4f4f-9537-3129e090eb3c} ./bios.cap |
| 14:18.31 | Ahoj12334 | st@st-Lenovo-V310-15IKB:~/Plocha/innoextract-1.9-linux/app$ sudo fwupdate -i |
| 14:18.32 | Ahoj12334 | failed: Error opening file /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/fwupd-e20bafd3-9914-4f4f-9537-3129e090eb3c-0-0abba7dc-e516-4167-bbf5-4d9d1c739416: AdresáŠnebo soubor neexistuje |
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| 14:39.47 | radue | guys, i'm trying to set up an mpd server inside lxc (proxmox) and it seems i cannot set pulseaudio to work (no soundcard and x not running), any ideas if it's possible to have a headless mpd server? maybe all i need is get a soundcard and passthrough it to the container? Or is there any other way..? |
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| 14:46.54 | ratrace | radue: I think you need to consult proxmox documentation |
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| 15:57.35 | segamain | Is there a difference between oftc and freenode debian? |
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| 16:00.55 | abrotman | segamain: They are different networks, but most of the "regulars" inhabit both, and are equally helpful in both |
| 16:02.03 | Franciman | segamain, there is only one relevant difference, on oftc there are channels for debian testing and experimental |
| 16:02.09 | Franciman | with #debian-next |
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| 18:29.20 | chakpapa | Is there a channel in freenode dedicated Debian Testing/ Bullseye? |
| 18:31.03 | rudi_s | chakpapa: #debian-next ? But maybe that's only on OFTC |
| 18:31.05 | jmcnaught | chakpapa: the testing/unstable channel is on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) along with all the other Debian IRC channels except this one for legacy reasons. It's called #debian-next |
| 18:31.29 | chakpapa | ok. i will just join oftc then |
| 18:31.32 | chakpapa | thanks |
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| 18:36.44 | LinuxGuy2020 | There doesn't seem to be a clear guide on how to get plymouth boot animations working with an nvidia graphics card. I followed the wiki and it doesn't work. Is this possible? |
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| 18:38.35 | LinuxGuy2020 | I've tried other distros that do this perfectly on my nvidia card so I now its possible. Just not sure where the directions are. |
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| 19:33.43 | rangergord | I installed Debian Buster on an Intel Atom low-power PC, using the KDE ISO. 80% of the time when I log in after booting, the system resets. The other 20%, it logs in, but there's no desktop, I get a kde popup error saying kdeconnect segfaulted, although I can use Run Command feature to run konsole, firefox, etc. How can I approach this? |
| 19:34.17 | rangergord | First, is there some way I can tell it "use the non-free drivers for the GPU, whatever that GPU is"? |
| 19:37.17 | sney | there is no way to automatically install non-free software without user supervision, no. |
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| 19:38.03 | sney | random segfaults are often an indicator of memory problems, have you tested your ram recently? |
| 19:38.03 | rangergord | sney: so I need to know which GPU it is, and the name of the non-free driver package for that GPU, then apt install as usual? |
| 19:38.14 | rangergord | I was running Ubuntu on it for weeks without issues |
| 19:38.31 | rangergord | this isn't a random segfault, it's a segfault during login only |
| 19:38.48 | rangergord | When I manage to login I have no issues running Firefox |
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| 19:39.20 | sney | only nvidia gpus have a discrete non-free driver package. all of the other video drivers are in the linux kernel, but may need firmware to enable certain features. unless you have a nvidia card in that machine, it's likely that you are just missing firmware. |
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| 19:40.25 | rangergord | I'll try to find out which GPU is on this. Unless there's a unified firmware package? Could it be that simple? |
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| 19:41.00 | sney | video firmware is either in firmware-misc-nonfree or firmware-amd-graphics, at least |
| 19:41.09 | chakpapa | I have a question. When Debian reaches LTS post its official 3 year lifecycle, is the security handled by any of the official Debian team? |
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| 19:41.22 | sney | !lts |
| 19:41.22 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and <stretch-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:41.34 | chakpapa | Ok Thanks |
| 19:41.38 | chakpapa | "Separate" |
| 19:41.40 | rangergord | yeech, different IRC network? |
| 19:41.51 | chakpapa | So basically, its expected to update to the next release |
| 19:42.14 | sney | in reality, there is probably some overlap between the security and LTS teams, but they are considered distinct. |
| 19:42.22 | chakpapa | I get it |
| 19:42.39 | chakpapa | Are updates between version generally seamless? I mean is that considered a priority? |
| 19:43.22 | sney | it's transparent, the repo urls don't change |
| 19:43.58 | chakpapa | Ah ok |
| 19:44.02 | rangergord | sney: OK, so since it's Intel integrated I'm trying firmware-misc-nonfree the next time I manage to boot it! |
| 19:44.41 | sney | for upgrades from e.g. debian 9 to debian 10, there are some steps detailed in the debian 10 release notes. it is intended to be a smooth process, but should not be done automatically. |
| 19:45.20 | rangergord | sney: isn't that bad? if you're on buster now, happily using specific apps X,Y,Z, 2 months from now when bullseye becomes stable, libraries are removed (for example I know Qt4 is gone for sure). If it's a transparent update, everything breaks overnight, no? I'm new to debian, maybe I'm misunderstanding what you meant |
| 19:45.44 | sney | rangergord: yeah, I thought I was answering whether it's smooth to go from oldstable to lts |
| 19:45.50 | rangergord | ah |
| 19:45.55 | sney | the next comment was about going from stable to stable+1 |
| 19:46.07 | rangergord | good to know :) |
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| 19:46.47 | rangergord | is there a Debian equivalent of CentOS' external repos, or Ubuntu PPAs? I'm happy being fully up to date on the whole system, but I have to run a legacy app which needs Qt 4 |
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| 19:47.32 | rangergord | which means Buster only right now |
| 19:47.50 | sney | not exactly. debian has some extra repos for stable that are not enabled by default, but they target newer software, not older |
| 19:48.34 | rangergord | Ok, it's Intel HD 500 on my system. I'm gonna go login repeatedly until it doesn't reboot, then apt install firmware-misc-nonfree and hope it helps |
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| 19:49.33 | sney | there's also snapshot, which has every package ever uploaded to debian. libqt4 is certainly in there but it may be an ordeal to figure out which ones will install on buster. |
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| 19:52.03 | rangergord | on bullseye you mean |
| 19:52.09 | rangergord | Qt4 is part of buster |
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| 19:57.19 | rangergord | bah, firmware-misc-nonfree didn't help |
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| 19:58.06 | debouncer | is there any netinst image for debian allowing to install latest lts even if downloaded years ago? |
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| 19:58.51 | dannylee | ok i just got my new computer...Debian is on my other nachine...but my new machine i put fedora 32...all my web browser work with fedora but not with Debian...i could only get 2 web browser to work on my Debian 9.13...fedora is just a bit better...i now have 10 web browser that work on fedora...debian is a flawed os...but i do like Debian terminals...youtube wont work on most of my browsers...ok i still have Debian on my other |
| 19:58.51 | dannylee | machine...Debian is just to hard to get working...i spent a month working with Debian...fedora is just better an easier... |
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| 20:04.25 | rangergord | scizo |
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| 20:05.30 | sney | if you're planning to upgrade your buster system to bullseye, your existing qt4 packages will not be removed unless there's an explicit conflict. so odds are the legacy app will keep working unless there's some other issue |
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| 20:10.51 | rangergord | huh, good to know. I'll try that when Bullseye is out |
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| 20:14.04 | rangergord | Is there a list of groups I need to add my single user to, to be able to manage this system with sudo? I've been doing it on a case by case basis, first systemd-journal, then sudo, now adm. I get the feeling I'm doing it wrong. |
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| 20:14.49 | rangergord | I couldn't read logs to begin with, until I added my user to those groups |
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| 20:26.15 | burrows | sney: when the time comes to upgrade is there an easy way to list/purge all legacy packages such as qt4? Would "apt-get dist-upgrade" remove them? (I like to keep things tidy) |
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| 20:27.50 | sney | afaik if they are being upgraded and nothing that was manually installed depends on them, they will be removed when you apt full-upgrade, yes |
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| 20:29.11 | burrows | nice, thanks. |
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| 20:37.18 | toxic | hello everyone. I'm facing an issue with my proxmox (based on debian I belive) : I have only 2 of my NICs that are being recognized. I believe I forgot about some lost config file since when I delete my /etc/network/interfaces and reboot, only 2 of my 6 NICs show up in ifconfig -a |
| 20:38.04 | toxic | I'm at a loss as to what is configuring enp5s0 and enp6s0 for me and that is nod doing it for enp[1-4]s0 |
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| 20:39.17 | toxic | dmesh is indeed showing "igb .... removed PHC on enp[1-4]s0" |
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| 20:41.55 | Mister00X | !proxmox |
| 20:41.55 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 20:45.34 | toxic | oups, thanks |
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| 21:52.30 | isapgswell | hi |
| 21:52.45 | isapgswell | my keyboard appeared as pointer, xinput |
| 21:53.14 | isapgswell | and my razer mouse appeared as keyboard, xinput too |
| 21:53.56 | isapgswell | Razer Razer Abyssus Essential id=15[slave keyboard (3)] |
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| 21:54.47 | isapgswell | any idea? |
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