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| 01:23.33 | bit1 | hi!, anyone using sagemath? |
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| 02:19.47 | maxrazer | The steam application seems to be not working hardly at all rencently. I click on things and the interface does not respond correctly. |
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| 02:26.41 | maxrazer | I just joined the steam beta to see if that works better |
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| 02:30.25 | oxek | maxrazer: use the steam app from flatpak |
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| 02:34.24 | maxrazer | oxek: You had a problem with the rep package and the flatpak worked well? If so, any idea why? Newer? |
| 02:34.33 | maxrazer | I generally don't like to use any flatpaks |
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| 02:36.58 | thefunkyspaw | huh, I always download the deb from steams website |
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| 02:42.05 | maxrazer | I may have tried the deb from the steam website in the past rarely, but forgot about that, thinking that was one app where that was not a good idea for some reason. |
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| 02:45.02 | oxek | maxrazer: the flatpak version always worked for me, because it includes all that is necessary, in the versions that are necessary |
| 02:45.10 | oxek | whereas the debian version never even started for me |
| 02:46.19 | oxek | plus it's nice that steam gets confined away from the rest of the system, and I don't need to pollute it with all those i386 packages |
| 02:46.29 | maxrazer | Oh, so you don't install the nvidia-driver-lib:i386 like the wiki says? That is probably why it won't start for you. But, I'd be shocked if that was somehow included with the version downloaded from the website. |
| 02:46.49 | oxek | I think it is |
| 02:47.06 | maxrazer | let me try removing nvidia-driver-lib:i386 |
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| 02:47.39 | maxrazer | The version I downloaded already seems really responsive. |
| 02:47.43 | maxrazer | (from the website) |
| 02:48.10 | oxek | despite steam giving away the entire game catalog to all debian developers for free, it is still a painful experience on debian |
| 02:48.19 | oxek | steam is really not designed as a linux app |
| 02:48.39 | oxek | soon it will be an electron app anyway ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 02:49.23 | maxrazer | Oh, will it? I'm not a fan of electron, but I think it will be much better than the app now. I've been thinking they have to replae this app for years. |
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| 02:51.26 | oxek | it will at least force them to make steam 64bit finally |
| 02:51.51 | oxek | afaik can't make 32bit electron apps |
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| 02:53.37 | fluffywolf | my linode recently got a kernel update, and I found I could no longer ssh in. the problem was /dev/pts wasn't mounted. my old debian init scripts require "devfs" to be mounted, while it's been "devtmpfs" for a long time, before /dev/pts is mounted. was devtmpfs being mounted as devfs until recently, or does something else mount /dev/pts? |
| 02:55.20 | oxek | it's still type devpts here |
| 02:55.45 | fluffywolf | and yet a linode that's worked fine for a very long time could no longer be sshed into, and it looks like a kernel-vs-image issue. heh. |
| 02:55.46 | sney | linode has been known to do weird things with their debian images though |
| 02:55.47 | fluffywolf | grr, wrong window |
| 02:56.15 | fluffywolf | the problem isn't the devpts... the init script doesn't mount devpts to /dev/pts unless it explicitly sees "devfs" mounted, not "devtmpfs". |
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| 02:58.06 | fluffywolf | the old mountdevsubfs has an explicit check for "devfs" being mounted to /dev, and doesn't work if "devtmpfs" is mounted to /dev instead. |
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| 02:58.51 | fluffywolf | "if grep -qs '/dev devfs' /proc/mounts" being the issue. I changed it to devtmpfs, and got my /dev/pts back. |
| 02:59.01 | oxek | are you sure the init scripts are actually doing anything? It's systemd now on debian. |
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| 02:59.12 | fluffywolf | this is a very, very old debian install. |
| 02:59.26 | fluffywolf | poettering was, fortunately, entirely unheard of at the time. :P |
| 03:00.13 | oxek | well, I'm only familiar with stable and oldstable in this channel |
| 03:00.47 | oxek | and even then the usual advice to people with oldstable is to upgrade to stable |
| 03:02.05 | fluffywolf | yeah, this is like oldoldoldoldoldoldoldoldstable. |
| 03:02.23 | fluffywolf | which apparantly does not work with 5.10 kernels. |
| 03:02.23 | dvs | hamm? |
| 03:02.31 | fluffywolf | 5.0, whichever that was. |
| 03:02.58 | fluffywolf | lenny. |
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| 03:04.15 | craigevil | sarge,lenny was 6, i think, sarge was around the time i first installed debian |
| 03:05.04 | fluffywolf | I started with slink. heh. |
| 03:05.27 | sney | skipping versions when upgrading is not supported, going from debian 5 to 10 without any of the intermediate steps would be a recipe for disaster. as I guess you've noticed. |
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| 03:05.53 | fluffywolf | I didn't upgrade. it's a linode. the kernel isn't part of my install. |
| 03:06.00 | craigevil | knoppix>xandros>kanotix>debian, took me a while to get to straight debian |
| 03:06.07 | fluffywolf | they gave me an unexpected kernel upgrade... |
| 03:06.30 | fluffywolf | so no one here is familiar with how /dev/pts was mounted on old debian versions? |
| 03:07.00 | sney | it would have just been in fstab if memory serves |
| 03:07.55 | fluffywolf | no, it's /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh, as it is on modern-ish debian versions as well... but I'm wondering if something else would also try to mount it. |
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| 03:08.17 | fluffywolf | that's the only place I've found, but that doesn't mean that's the only place. |
| 03:09.53 | sney | you could grep /etc for it and see if anything pops up. though, wasn't openvz able to manhandle stuff like that from the host level? and considering lenny's age and the fact that linode was able to dump a kernel upgrade on you with no warning... |
| 03:13.28 | fluffywolf | they gave me warning they were moving my linode to a new physical host; the warning didn't include that it'd get a new kernel with possibly different options in the process. heh. |
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| 03:18.08 | oxek | you'd be better off running latest debian stable, and having a docker container of lenny/sarge/whatever in it |
| 03:18.40 | fluffywolf | I have a stable linode too. heh. |
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| 04:12.43 | EdePopede | meh: https://search.debian.org/cgi-bin/omega?DB=en&P=sources.list |
| 04:13.04 | EdePopede | outdated (and even marked as such!) articles reaally shouldn't appear first |
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| 04:16.39 | genr8_ | What is the reason for having TWO different gcc packages, "gcc-8 (8.3.0-6) vs gcc (4:8.3.0-1)" |
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| 04:22.51 | EdePopede | ,info gcc |
| 04:22.52 | judd | Package gcc (devel, optional) in buster/amd64: GNU C compiler. Version: 4:8.3.0-1; Size: 5.1k; Installed: 45k |
| 04:23.01 | EdePopede | pretty small, uh? ;) |
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| 04:23.31 | genr8_ | uhh |
| 04:23.37 | EdePopede | > This is a dependency package providing the default GNU C compiler. |
| 04:24.14 | genr8_ | ok i made a mistake here |
| 04:24.23 | EdePopede | downloaded it, it's just 2 scripts with 2 manpages |
| 04:24.27 | EdePopede | and some links |
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| 04:33.45 | genr8_ | what does "4:" mean in the version |
| 04:34.19 | jmcnaught | genr8_: it's the epoch: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#version |
| 04:35.21 | genr8_ | thanks |
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| 04:46.43 | genr8_ | cannot parse question |
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| 05:48.05 | GigaFlow | I have DB with tables which names contain dot (.) symbol and 'cake bake' command fails bacuse cakephp thinks that dot is special character for plugins and extensions |
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| 05:48.25 | GigaFlow | so I had to rename table, bake, rename back |
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| 05:49.06 | unixbsd | do you know a SIP application (like zoom) that allows to share the Monitor/Desktop to view distantly? Like ekiga, offers only the show/view of the webcam. |
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| 05:51.44 | oxek | unixbsd: jitsi meet? |
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| 05:56.04 | genr8_ | try jitsi first. skype is proprietary junk |
| 05:56.31 | Jahm3kyah | hi, something is not clear to me . Should i install the intel or amd64 microcode. I read that amd64 is the name for intel 64bit architecture . lscpu give me |
| 05:56.31 | Jahm3kyah | model : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU |
| 05:56.31 | Jahm3kyah | architecture : x86_64 |
| 05:56.31 | Jahm3kyah | Thanks |
| 05:56.40 | genr8_ | intel |
| 05:57.55 | oxek | Jahm3kyah: might as well install firmware-linux-nonfree, unless you're explicitly trying to avoid that. It will pull all the usual firmware packages you need. |
| 05:58.43 | oxek | hmm, apparently there's an even more generic metapackage `firmware-linux` that pulls everything |
| 05:58.53 | oxek | free & nonfree & microcode |
| 05:59.05 | Jahm3kyah | ok genr8_ , but uname -r give me 4.19.0-14-amd64 . Did i mess up something. or i didn't understand anything |
| 06:00.06 | themill | the kernel is for an instruction set which is known as amd64; the microcode is for the hardware and comes from the hardware manufacturer (so intel for you) |
| 06:03.43 | Jahm3kyah | ok thanks oxek and genr8_. you rock. and themill you get the point . |
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| 06:07.38 | Jahm3kyah | apt install firmware-linux-nonfree want to install those ones : amd64-microcode firmware-amd-graphics firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 06:07.38 | Jahm3kyah | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.12 | jelly | ,depends firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 06:09.13 | judd | Package firmware-linux-nonfree in buster/amd64 -- depends: firmware-misc-nonfree (= 20190114-2), firmware-amd-graphics (= 20190114-2). |
| 06:09.19 | GigaFlow | can't configure VSCode for debugging cakephp. Works fine with yii, BUT not with cakephp. I See packets from target machine to the specified port, but no reaction. |
| 06:10.29 | jelly | ,recommends firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 06:10.30 | judd | Package firmware-linux-nonfree in buster/amd64 -- recommends: intel-microcode, amd64-microcode. |
| 06:10.37 | jelly | Jahm3kyah, ^ that's why |
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| 06:12.51 | Jahm3kyah | ok jelly , so i don't need to bother?. I thought it would be better to have only the one of my hardware |
| 06:14.55 | genr8_ | its trying to install everything. if you dont want everything, pick what you do want |
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| 06:18.06 | genr8_ | apt doesnt actually detect your hardware, it puts files onto your hard drive, and the detection of what is applicable happens later. everything else just sits unused. |
| 06:18.06 | apt | genr8_: what are you talking about? |
| 06:19.18 | genr8_ | intel-microcode is the only thing applicable to this discussion |
| 06:20.34 | Jahm3kyah | ok ok , i lost myself.. as previously said intel-microcode is the one for me. thanks to all , and+1 for the apt tip genr8_. Me love you all |
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| 06:45.23 | EdePopede | "apt doesnt actually detect your hardware", would be nice to have a tool collecting the data and listing possible drivers and/or packages needed |
| 06:48.08 | jelly | if it suggested non-free packages, it'd have to sit in contrib and not be part of debian (main) |
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| 06:50.12 | themill | ,i isenkram |
| 06:50.14 | judd | Package isenkram (misc, optional) in buster/amd64: Suggest packages to install when inserting new hardware (GUI popup). Version: 0.41; Size: 16.3k; Installed: 55k |
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| 06:54.45 | Thete | Is there a way to prevent grub from tryin to install itself on the EFI partition of my windows drive? I would like it to install it to the EFI partition on my debian drive |
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| 06:58.43 | EdePopede | oh :) like it |
| 06:58.58 | n4dir | if i remember correct when the installer comes to the part where it installs grub, you can enter where to install it |
| 06:59.40 | n4dir | well: i am pretty sure that is how it is, but i hardly know EFI stuff |
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| 07:27.49 | Thete | I was able to fix it with rescue mode, thanks |
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| 09:09.23 | NeoCron | what would be the best way to install a package and dependencies without cluttering your system? My case specifically: I use KeePassXC, but for compat reasons with my company I sometimes need keepass2, but I dont want it in my system with mono and everything. Can I just setup a small debootstrap somewhere, chroot and start it from there if needed? Any better ideas? |
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| 09:10.06 | NeoCron | there does not seem to exist a flatpak package and I dont use docker, so maybe building an lxc container might be an alternative |
| 09:11.21 | c0pt | bit there is flatpak for keepassxc, https://www.flathub.org/apps/details/org.keepassxc.KeePassXC |
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| 09:13.39 | gyt0 | wiki.debian.org and raspi.debian.net are not accessible via Tor:( |
| 09:14.55 | NeoCron | c0pt yes, but not keepass2 |
| 09:15.17 | NeoCron | I use keepassxc already, but it lacks data exchange functionality |
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| 09:17.30 | NeoCron | so if some colleague posts such damned exchange in our channels my worklflow is: close keepassxc on my machine, open remmina to connect to a windows machine over vpn in the company, start KeePass2, open my password-file from synced storage, paste data exchange to import it. save, sync, close, cut rdp connection, sync local and open it with keepassxc again... |
| 09:17.33 | NeoCron | fucking sucks |
| 09:20.01 | ratrace | NeoCron: flatpack, snap, appimage, or DIY chroot/nspawn/docker/... |
| 09:20.40 | NeoCron | ratrace since I would have to build any myself, any recommandation? |
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| 09:26.30 | ratrace | NeoCron: I use debootstrap + nspawn for situations like that |
| 09:28.07 | NeoCron | thanks, looks great so far |
| 09:28.17 | NeoCron | I'll have a try |
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| 09:32.32 | isapgswell | hi |
| 09:32.41 | isapgswell | what is that mean? |
| 09:32.44 | isapgswell | ME: Progress Phase State : (null) |
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| 10:01.50 | hacksterix | hi |
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| 10:37.36 | rocks | helo all i have little problem with my debian distro 9.8 |
| 10:37.44 | rocks | wo't boot and give me error about logind.service |
| 10:37.52 | rocks | anyone can help me? |
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| 10:41.23 | ratrace | rocks: sure, but you'll have to pastebin the error or screenshot |
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| 10:41.45 | rocks | ah ok unfurtunately i have access only in IPMI |
| 10:41.54 | rocks | withb my dedicated server so i can print the image and give link |
| 10:42.23 | ratrace | rocks: you can upload it to imgur. |
| 10:42.28 | rocks | ok i do |
| 10:44.43 | ratrace | rocks: btw, what changed that this happened? you say that's debian 9.8? that's very old, there was a number of updates to stretch since .8 |
| 10:45.00 | rocks | ratrace i have proxmox iso 5.4 |
| 10:45.07 | rocks | based on debian 9.8 for that reason is old |
| 10:45.23 | rocks | and accidentally yesterday i have deleted usr/bin |
| 10:45.32 | rocks | i have recovered from another distro debian 9.8 |
| 10:46.11 | rocks | dir usr bin |
| 10:46.28 | rocks | just for boot debian again and i reinstall with dpkg missed package |
| 10:46.38 | rocks | but when try to boot give me error about logind.service |
| 10:46.42 | rocks | that is my scenario ratrace |
| 10:46.47 | rocks | and is very bad scenario |
| 10:46.49 | rocks | ahahahahahah |
| 10:46.53 | flrnd | indeed |
| 10:47.12 | flrnd | no backups, deleted directory. The recipe for a fun afternoon |
| 10:47.22 | rocks | flrnd exactly |
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| 10:47.34 | rocks | and not only afternoon also night i think |
| 10:47.48 | flrnd | Only access is remote right? |
| 10:47.58 | rocks | flrnd no boot |
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| 10:48.07 | rocks | i can enter via ovh rescue distro |
| 10:48.13 | rocks | and mount partition with mount via rescue |
| 10:48.36 | rocks | example i login via rescue distro |
| 10:48.45 | flrnd | if you could chroot and debootstrap |
| 10:48.47 | rocks | and mount /dev/md |
| 10:48.50 | flrnd | https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 10:49.27 | rocks | i dont know how to use all that |
| 10:51.20 | rocks | ah ok deboostrap |
| 10:51.23 | flrnd | yep |
| 10:51.24 | rocks | i have understand what do |
| 10:51.40 | rocks | in that case ovh use personal and customized distro proxmox |
| 10:51.52 | flrnd | you can install a base system that way |
| 10:51.53 | rocks | with own repo, in that case i use them repo |
| 10:51.57 | rocks | for deboostrap distro? |
| 10:52.01 | flrnd | it's just food for thought |
| 10:52.13 | rocks | ok |
| 10:52.18 | flrnd | no, debootstrap is for installing a debian base system |
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| 10:52.38 | rocks | ok but rescue and my servers |
| 10:52.43 | rocks | have 2 kernels different |
| 10:52.53 | flrnd | without CD. If you can mount the root partition of that server, and chroot it. You can use debootstrap to restore at least the base system |
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| 10:53.29 | rocks | If you can mount the root partition of that server, and chroot it |
| 10:53.38 | rocks | from rescue u mean? |
| 10:53.52 | flrnd | yeah from rescue, you said that you could mount it right?= |
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| 10:54.18 | rocks | yeye i can mount root partition |
| 10:54.23 | rocks | with etc lib root ecc ec |
| 10:54.44 | flrnd | well, as I said, food for thought. If you could restore at least the base system to make it bootable again |
| 10:55.25 | rocks | ok i have mount dev/md2 in that case on /mnt |
| 10:55.29 | rocks | and i can see the file |
| 10:55.29 | flrnd | Without error logs, or other info other than deleted usr/bin ... is the only thing that comes to mind |
| 10:56.20 | flrnd | but before you do more good, backup any sensitive data |
| 10:56.48 | rocks | do yet |
| 10:57.27 | rocks | bin boot dev etc home lib lib64 media mnt opt proc root run sbin srv sys tmp usr var vz |
| 10:57.36 | rocks | this is my path now in mnt |
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| 11:02.26 | rocks | flrnd i have maked new Dir |
| 11:02.56 | rocks | and i have run deboot with that command |
| 11:02.57 | rocks | debootstrap --arch=amd64 stretch /debian98/ http://debian.mirrors.ovh.net/debian |
| 11:03.07 | rocks | now I: Base system installed successfully. |
| 11:03.08 | rocks | root@rescue:/debian98# |
| 11:04.36 | ratrace | rocks: Proxmox is not debian tho. this is not supported here. |
| 11:04.40 | ratrace | !based on debian |
| 11:04.40 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 11:04.58 | rocks | .. |
| 11:05.02 | rocks | come on guys |
| 11:05.15 | rocks | i know that but i need only help for solve situation.. |
| 11:05.35 | asymptotically | rocks: i think that proxmox have quite an active forum, you might get better help there |
| 11:05.56 | rocks | ok |
| 11:05.56 | ratrace | rocks: besides, you never uploaded the paste or screenshot of your original problem so all this is moot. |
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| 11:06.28 | ratrace | !wb |
| 11:06.29 | dpkg | thanks, ratrace. It's good to be back. |
| 11:06.31 | flrnd | rocks: is not that we don't want to help you, your situation is tricky (at best) and you'll have better chances if you find help inside proxmox community |
| 11:07.07 | rocks | ok fl |
| 11:07.12 | rocks | thanks for support |
| 11:07.17 | flrnd | good luck :) |
| 11:07.30 | jelly | anyone here is allowed to /join ##proxmox and help you over there if they can and if they want to |
| 11:07.36 | ratrace | problem with "based on debian" is that, as the factoid says, we cannot know what traps, pitfalls and specifics exist in those modifications. we can waste hours trying to implement something that would work on debian only to find out it's impossible on the derivative |
| 11:07.48 | ratrace | this has happened many times before |
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| 11:08.12 | jelly | in the worst case a solution that works well on debian breaks something on a slightly different distro |
| 11:08.17 | ratrace | starting with that being 9.8 and debian proper has since has updates, so that aint' even the same software any more |
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| 11:09.00 | ratrace | (ie. many bugs have since been fixed) |
| 11:09.27 | flrnd | I've trying to understand how that proxmox works and they only distribute in iso, so even harderd to guess what backported patches and who knows what else left from original debian in those isos |
| 11:09.42 | flrnd | harder* |
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| 11:10.48 | flrnd | even with my soltution restoring a base debian, the chances that still something missing are pretty high |
| 11:11.07 | rocks | flrnd ok i have deboostrapped system right now |
| 11:11.14 | rocks | i try to recover |
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| 11:12.21 | rocks | on ##proxmox: said me [12:11:54] <ozymandia-> then reinstall |
| 11:12.26 | rocks | this is very support! |
| 11:12.27 | flrnd | classic |
| 11:12.30 | rocks | ahuahuauhauha |
| 11:13.12 | flrnd | well, I concur with that answer. No logs. No backups. Deleted directory with 0 knowledge of the actual damage... |
| 11:15.44 | rocks | very bad scenario bro |
| 11:16.10 | flrnd | Indeed, I'd fired you already for not having backups :P |
| 11:16.21 | rocks | ahahah ye truth |
| 11:16.24 | rocks | very stupid |
| 11:16.40 | rocks | wehat u suggest me for backup file and dr unix? |
| 11:16.44 | rocks | *dir* |
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| 11:20.29 | snooops | Hi, i'm using debian 9.13 and there is an update for libssl-doc available, but it wants to downgrade my openssl package from 1.1.1 to 1.1.0 - is this a known behaviour? |
| 11:21.41 | snooops | the weird part is, libssl-doc is not even installed on my system |
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| 11:22.07 | snooops | but if i do apt upgrade, it wants to install libssl-doc |
| 11:24.23 | ratrace | snooops: please pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libssl-doc |
| 11:25.32 | jelly | ,v libssl1.1 |
| 11:25.34 | judd | Package: libssl1.1 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.1.0l-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.1.0l-1~deb9u1; buster: 1.1.1d-0+deb10u4; buster-proposed-updates: 1.1.1d-0+deb10u5; buster-security: 1.1.1d-0+deb10u5; bullseye: 1.1.1j-1; sid: 1.1.1j-1 |
| 11:26.00 | jelly | snooops, if you have 1.1.1 on stretch, looks like you mixed repos for different releases |
| 11:26.05 | ratrace | ach right, ssl 1.1.1 ain't normal n stretch |
| 11:26.18 | jelly | pro tip: don't do that |
| 11:27.01 | snooops | https://pastebin.com/pW3zRQhS |
| 11:27.28 | jelly | ach. meine apt does not speak german |
| 11:27.33 | snooops | oh yes |
| 11:27.34 | snooops | i see |
| 11:27.39 | snooops | yeah sorry :) |
| 11:27.55 | snooops | i guess in a drunk night i enabled buster-backports :D |
| 11:28.03 | jelly | what does "apt-cache policy openssl" say? |
| 11:28.59 | ratrace | there's no ssl 1.1.1. in backports, it's impossible, as it'd require rebuild of _every_ package that wants openssl |
| 11:29.03 | jelly | there's no openssl in buster-backports right now, but there might have been at some point in the past |
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| 11:29.23 | jelly | ratrace, no rebuilds necessary if ABI is unchanged |
| 11:29.29 | ratrace | it's changed |
| 11:29.50 | jelly | from 1.1.0 to 1.1.1? |
| 11:29.53 | jelly | weird |
| 11:30.01 | ratrace | yes, 1.1.1. was a lot of new stuffs, tlsv1.3 for example |
| 11:30.14 | snooops | https://pastebin.com/xCpxfWtj |
| 11:30.24 | jelly | but the package name is the same, so things have to be backward compatible |
| 11:30.29 | snooops | did i installed openssl via dpkg -i? |
| 11:31.01 | jelly | snooops, that's from deb.sury.org, the repo with newer php |
| 11:31.16 | snooops | ah then he removed it from stretch |
| 11:31.50 | ratrace | jelly: openssl is a fiddly beast |
| 11:31.57 | jelly | or at least I'm _guessing_ it's from sury because the version looks like his stuff |
| 11:32.11 | snooops | jelly: yes it could be, i have his repos |
| 11:32.24 | snooops | time to get applications in docker containers... |
| 11:35.32 | snooops | thx for the help ;) |
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| 11:38.05 | snooops | aah now i have clearance clarance: https://www.patreon.com/posts/enforced-openssl-48703169?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=postshare |
| 11:42.13 | jelly | clarity? |
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| 11:44.30 | ratrace | "time to get applications in docker containers..." .. that's just gonna make it all exponentially more complex to maintain. |
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| 12:09.15 | filePeter | Is there a way to make my terminal application (email with mutt and getmail) make a sound when something habbens? Im running xfce4-terminal in xfce/x.org. |
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| 12:20.20 | jelly | filePeter, not exactly "something", but it can beep when a new message arrives. read about beep_new in man muttrc |
| 12:22.00 | filePeter | jelly: Thank you. It seems my terminal is swallowing muttâs beep. |
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| 12:25.24 | jelly | filePeter, try to run: printf '\a' in said terminal, that generates a "bell" |
| 12:25.55 | jelly | if that's mute as well then yes |
| 12:26.30 | filePeter | jelly: Yes, its mute as well. So I know where to look out for now. Thanks for the hint on beep_new :-) |
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| 12:50.45 | BCMM | (can also do `tput bel`) |
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| 12:55.51 | filePeter | BCMM: also swallowed⦠|
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| 13:17.40 | ratrace | filePeter: http://www.nongnu.org/mailnotify/ |
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| 13:19.18 | ratrace | also: neomutt: https://neomutt.org/feature/new-mail |
| 13:20.49 | jelly | !biff |
| 13:20.49 | dpkg | i heard biff is a mail notification tool |
| 13:20.57 | jelly | dpkg, factinfo biff |
| 13:20.57 | dpkg | biff -- it has been requested 26 times, last by jelly, 8s ago. |
| 13:21.18 | jelly | that's so old it doesn't even have a creation time |
| 13:23.04 | filePeter | ratrace: nice thank you. |
| 13:23.56 | filePeter | jelly, ratrace: thanks for your help. I will try those. Maybe even, Iâll hook some »aplay sound.wav« into my .procmailrc :-) |
| 13:23.59 | filePeter | Thanks. |
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| 13:39.17 | ratrace | filePeter: if you can hook random commands, use the notify-send thingy in conjunction with your DE |
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| 13:40.56 | snooops | userA and userB - userA can login into a bash like normal. userB can login but is living in a docker container without notice. can i achieve this by a decent login script at /etc/passwd as login shell? |
| 13:41.10 | snooops | through ssh !! |
| 13:41.12 | snooops | boht |
| 13:41.18 | snooops | forgot to mention that :) |
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| 13:52.35 | filePeter | ratrace: What is a âDEâ? |
| 13:53.32 | towo^work | desktop environment |
| 13:53.43 | filePeter | towo^work: Oh my |
| 13:53.48 | filePeter | towo^work: Oh my⦠thanks. |
| 13:53.49 | filePeter | :-) |
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| 14:04.31 | ratrace | snooops: no, you'd need openssh-server in the container on anotehr port. but don't abuse containers as VMs |
| 14:05.18 | ratrace | also, technically, you can use ssh-command to force teh user into a new shell spawn that exec's in the container namespace, but that's not really the same |
| 14:05.23 | jelly | what's the preferred way to abuse containers then |
| 14:05.33 | ratrace | well.... just don't abuse them |
| 14:05.48 | fireba11 | lol |
| 14:05.49 | n4dir | minus the a. |
| 14:05.55 | n4dir | and the b. damnit |
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| 14:42.57 | fakuve | Hi guys |
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| 14:43.07 | fakuve | What software do you use to visualize .epub? |
| 14:43.11 | fakuve | I wanted to use zathura |
| 14:43.24 | fakuve | But at the moment is just compatible with pdf |
| 14:44.02 | fakuve | and its actually impossible to install `zathura-pdf-mupdf` in Debian Buster |
| 14:44.04 | fakuve | any ideas? |
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| 14:56.45 | tyson2 | How does debian compare to ubuntu for ease of network configuration? Got quite frustrated configuring local fixed IP address on Ubuntu desktop due to inadequate docs. Finally got it to work with help of IRC |
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| 15:03.00 | EdePopede | fakuve, chose your poison: https://www.xmodulo.com/good-epub-reader-linux.html |
| 15:03.09 | EdePopede | iirc i used calibre and it was ok |
| 15:03.41 | fakuve | Cheers EdePopede ! |
| 15:04.33 | EdePopede | and okular suggests okular-extra-backends, maybe check the package info in advance |
| 15:04.41 | EdePopede | yw :) |
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| 15:38.57 | oxek | fakuve: calibre, and if necessary then convert it to some other format |
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| 15:39.31 | oxek | tyson2: netplan is horrible, debian has no such thing and is hence easier to configure |
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| 15:41.48 | ratrace | oxek: you sure? :) |
| 15:41.51 | ratrace | ,v netplan.io |
| 15:41.53 | judd | Package: netplan.io on amd64 -- buster: 0.95-2; bullseye: 0.101-4; sid: 0.101-4 |
| 15:42.32 | ratrace | jokes aside, even in ubuntu netplan is optional (though default installed there) .... uhhhh.... confiugre thingy in yaml that configures networkd thingy in ini. |
| 15:43.43 | ratrace | since we all love configuring, ubuntu made a tool you can configure and then it configures networkd based on your config configurations. |
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| 15:46.17 | oxek | oh wow, somebody actually got netplan into debian... |
| 15:47.19 | oxek | I guess I'm not that much against netplan, it's just yet another ubuntu-developed thing that's gonna get deprecated eventually |
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| 15:57.42 | ratrace | I'm very much against netplan because it literally doesn't do _anything_ other than convert a yaml config into init. literally it's a config configuration tool. that you can configure. |
| 15:58.01 | ratrace | %/into init/into INI (networkd)/ |
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| 16:04.24 | tyson2 | I don't really care either way, netplan or not, I just want it to work. |
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| 16:04.55 | tyson2 | but the gui setup tools and associated docs really aren't great, sorry I wasted my time with them. |
| 16:05.39 | tyson2 | ratrace, I see your point. Not crazy about the yaml format either. Multiple levels of abstraction aren't helpful. |
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| 16:07.43 | tyson2 | the other thing is the amazing number of misleading blog posts that exist on how to solve a particular issue. Many of which seem to be copied from one ancestor post. |
| 16:09.41 | tyson2 | the negatives of netplan aren't as bad as the impressive amount of crap that you need to do with Hyper-v to get it to allow the local fixed IP address to be used in a VM. But at least the MS docs were accurate. |
| 16:11.31 | ratrace | why would anyone even want to use hyper-v |
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| 16:12.17 | tyson2 | seemed like a good idea at the time. Faster than virtualbox, the "checkpoints" work better than similar feature in Virtual box |
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| 16:12.47 | tyson2 | I need to use windows as I need to use several social apps from China that won't run in linux and don't have web versions. |
| 16:13.17 | ratrace | why would you use virtualbox too? kvm-qemu is all one needs :) oh, not available on windows? shame. why would anyone want to use windows for anything but gaming (and only because they _have_ to). |
| 16:13.47 | tyson2 | we also work with several schools in China, and their teaching tools run only on Mac and Windows. We need to test them etc. |
| 16:14.51 | ratrace | incredible that windows is so prevalent in china. one would think they'd ban it for being NSA spyware, and enforce .... what was it called? Red Star OS? The linux based thingy? |
| 16:14.53 | tyson2 | personal linux use in China is rare. |
| 16:15.17 | tyson2 | Microsoft is well entrenched in China, as they have accomodated all commands, where they can. |
| 16:15.28 | ratrace | The Party can easily ban it |
| 16:15.46 | tyson2 | Although this month, new signups on Linkedin are blocked because of some violation of censorship rules |
| 16:15.50 | ratrace | maybe they're abusing those same NSA spyware vectors, for their own surveillance purposes :) |
| 16:16.21 | n4dir | i wouldn't bet the so called west is much better, regarding that. |
| 16:16.30 | tyson2 | no doubt about that. I am a little concerned about Wechat and Dingtalk running on my machine, maybe I will set up a Windows VM for them. |
| 16:16.56 | tyson2 | right, it's a universal behavior by nation states, and private firms |
| 16:17.34 | n4dir | they seem to speak so much about surveillance and all that in China here, so we don't come to investigate how it is for us ... |
| 16:17.55 | tyson2 | I also use Tencent Drive (like Dropbox), but haven't installed the sync client because of security concerns, I use web upload for that |
| 16:18.13 | tyson2 | Facebook is no better than China in this regard. |
| 16:18.20 | n4dir | i do recall very well the comments in the german news about the lockdown in China ... |
| 16:18.45 | tyson2 | things are cooking their now, no more masks in Shanghai, etc. |
| 16:18.57 | tyson2 | growth rate about 3% this year |
| 16:20.11 | tyson2 | Anybody wants to teach in China, and can handle a two-week quarantine (and take the Chinese vaccine of course), just let me know. Free airfare, subsidized or free housing, no taxes. |
| 16:20.14 | EdePopede | does {=pkg_version_number | /target_release} from apt-get only work with releases listed in sources.list? |
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| 16:23.30 | n4dir | tyson2: skaters seem to really love china. a) for the architecture to be found and b) for the private security guys not bothering them. End offtopic, but i had to say it. |
| 16:24.14 | tyson2 | there are some skating videos on baidu.com I believe n4dir |
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| 16:24.47 | n4dir | thanks for it. but lets not stretch it, before someone complains (and with all the right in the world) |
| 16:24.57 | tyson2 | got it |
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| 16:41.06 | oxek | tyson2: teach what? |
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| 16:52.30 | Franciman | Hi, do you know any software shipped with debian for syncing video players over the network? |
| 16:52.33 | Franciman | like syncplay |
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| 16:53.30 | BCMM | Franciman: mplayer can do it |
| 16:54.17 | Franciman | BCMM, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/networksync.html this? |
| 16:54.27 | BCMM | yeah, that's it |
| 16:54.46 | Franciman | thank you very muhc! |
| 16:54.56 | BCMM | oh, i looked up syncplay, and it's for, like, people across the internet to watch films together, right? |
| 16:56.30 | Franciman | yep! |
| 16:57.00 | BCMM | i've never really tried the mplayer thing over the internet; it's mostly designed for like really accurate syncing over a LAN |
| 16:57.11 | BCMM | i don't see any particular reason why it wouldn't work, though |
| 16:57.39 | BCMM | but one downside is that there's a master instance, and only that instance can play, pause or seek |
| 16:58.07 | kouett | Can't find package for the 'star' command in Debian, am I missing something ? |
| 16:58.11 | kouett | repo is here http://freshmeat.sourceforge.net/projects/star |
| 16:59.00 | Franciman | hmm I see |
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| 17:03.45 | BCMM | kouett: is that ordinarily installed as `star`? it looks like the kind of thing you would install as /bin/tar, instead of GNU Tar... |
| 17:03.56 | BCMM | at any rate, debian doesn't seem to include it, no |
| 17:05.22 | tyson2 | oxec, mostly people teach english, but there some IT trainers I think |
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| 17:06.03 | BCMM | is CDDL DFSG-compliant? |
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| 17:08.39 | BCMM | kouett: https://tracker.debian.org/news/652806/bug564806-removed-packages-from-unstable/ |
| 17:08.44 | BCMM | "unmaintained, low popcon, alternatives exist" |
| 17:09.11 | kouett | ah, thanks |
| 17:09.13 | BCMM | i was going to say something similar; it looks abandoned upstream and i'm not sure why anybody would pick it over GNU tar |
| 17:10.03 | BCMM | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=564806 would have been a better link maybe |
| 17:10.05 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/564806 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: star -- RoM; unmaintained, low popcon, alternatives exist»; severity: normal; opened: 2010-01-12; last modified: 2010-04-07. |
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| 17:10.16 | kouett | BCMM, my reason for using star over tar is that it just has some specials option that tar hasn't |
| 17:10.26 | BCMM | what options? |
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| 17:10.44 | kouett | I just need to extract file metadata (ownership, atime, etc) over existing files without overwriting their contents |
| 17:10.53 | kouett | star has a -meta option that does this |
| 17:10.55 | kouett | tar hasn't |
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| 17:11.13 | kouett | that's why, but I'm sure there would be alternatives out there capable of doing this |
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| 17:13.51 | BCMM | (also some people might be a tiny bit wary of packaging schily's software in general) |
| 17:15.37 | kouett | why so ? |
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| 17:16.58 | BCMM | he's the cdrtools guy. holds what Red Hat's legal department has called "a set of unorthodox opinions on licensing" |
| 17:18.56 | kouett | ah ok, I see :p understandable that there could be some legal problems with his software then :S |
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| 17:20.59 | BCMM | i'm not saying that s tar has similar problems, but the cdrtools problems came out of basically objecting to distros patching his software if i recall |
| 17:22.19 | BCMM | looks like it is slightly more recently active on sourceforge, by the way |
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| 17:34.53 | trysten | bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load for rtl_bt/rtl8723b_config.bin failed with error -2 |
| 17:35.08 | trysten | but /lib/firmware/rtl_bt/rtl8723b_config.bin doesn't exist. Wut? |
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| 17:37.43 | BCMM | trysten: taht'll |
| 17:37.47 | BCMM | sorry about that... |
| 17:37.53 | BCMM | that'll be why it failed :) |
| 17:39.07 | BCMM | trysten: what are the messages directly after that? sometimes after failing to find a given firmware image, it will try other filenames (older versions for instance), so it's possible for a device to still get brought up properly after a failure to load firmware |
| 17:41.19 | BCMM | hmm doesn't look likely. you should probably install firmware-realtek, from the non-free section. |
| 17:41.37 | trysten | i have package firmware-realtek installed. maybe it's not up to date? |
| 17:41.45 | trysten | http://paste.debian.net/1190494/ |
| 17:42.04 | trysten | oops i pasted in color, sorry |
| 17:42.07 | BCMM | hmm. what release are you using? |
| 17:42.27 | BCMM | it's cool, i can just do `curl http://paste.debian.net/plain/1190494` |
| 17:42.55 | sney | ,file rtl_bt/rtl8723b_config.bin |
| 17:43.01 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 17:43.02 | trysten | /etc/debian_version says 10.8. This should be a clean install, I have barely touched it |
| 17:43.08 | sney | ,file rtl_bt/rtl8723b_config.bin --release buster-backports |
| 17:43.10 | judd | No packages in buster-backports/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 17:43.34 | BCMM | trysten: oh sorry, i've somehow ended up searching for the wrong file |
| 17:43.56 | trysten | weird. I guess I should have led with the base issue: bluetooth no worky. bluetoothctl power on says Failed to set power on: org.bluez.Error.Blocked |
| 17:44.01 | BCMM | not sure how but i ended up looking for rtl8723b_fw.bin |
| 17:44.21 | trysten | oh my gosh. I'm just realizing it says Bluez. Bluetoothctl and Bluez might not play together? |
| 17:44.32 | sney | that firmware file isn't packaged for debian, but upstream has it. |
| 17:44.42 | trysten | BCMM: it does load rtl8723b_fw.bin successfully |
| 17:45.01 | trysten | sney: the rtl8723b_config.bin file? |
| 17:45.14 | sney | trysten: yes. https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/rtl_bt |
| 17:46.05 | BCMM | trysten: have found some stuff online saying that that firmware is not necessary for anything, and that later kernels have removed the error message |
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| 17:46.18 | BCMM | (but not from any particularly canonical source) |
| 17:46.31 | trysten | I thought I had found the issue with bluetooth, but i'm really just chasing a defunct error message >.> |
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| 17:47.30 | trysten | -.- systemctl status bluetooth says "Blocked through rfkill" doh! |
| 17:47.36 | trysten | Thanks for the help friends |
| 17:48.29 | trysten | I toggled the "wifi/airplane mode" button on this notebook and bluetooth came right up |
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| 18:39.48 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 18:40.38 | abff | yo |
| 18:40.41 | pennyblake | hi |
| 18:40.45 | johnfg | After running apt autoremove, I got the message: dpkg: warning: while removing linux-headers-4.9.0-13-686-pae, directory '/lib/modules/4.9.0-13-686-pae' not empty so not removed. |
| 18:41.16 | johnfg | Should I just go ahead and remove, by hand, any offending directories that no longer have a kernel in /boot? |
| 18:41.33 | johnfg | Not *should* perhaps, but can I? |
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| 18:49.34 | sney | johnfg: sure, you can safely prune any empty directory. though that message was about /lib/modules, not /boot. |
| 18:50.18 | johnfg | Right. /boot is getting pared down automatically, in that it only keeps 2 kernels. |
| 18:50.47 | johnfg | I'm not sure why the /lib/modules/<whatever old kernel> doesn't get cleaned out. |
| 18:51.16 | sney | if you've ever built an out-of-tree driver for something, commonly a gpu or a nic, it could still be there and preventing the directory's removal |
| 18:51.55 | BCMM | dpkg -S can run on directories, not just files |
| 18:51.55 | dpkg | Package: can run on directories, not just files: Status: install ok installed |
| 18:52.08 | BCMM | so you can use it to check why a directory still exists |
| 18:53.10 | nleolnx | dpkg is a bot? |
| 18:53.11 | dpkg | nleolnx: are you using Windows? |
| 18:53.18 | nleolnx | Uhhhh |
| 18:53.20 | nleolnx | No? |
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| 18:53.25 | BCMM | yes, there's a bot called dpkg in here |
| 18:53.26 | sney | dpkg: bot |
| 18:53.26 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 18:53.37 | nleolnx | ! |
| 18:53.44 | BCMM | !dpkg |
| 18:53.45 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 18:54.28 | nleolnx | Sorry to interupt I was just confused hehe |
| 18:54.37 | abff | lol yes dpkg is an irc bot but also the debian package manager |
| 18:54.44 | nleolnx | I see |
| 18:54.53 | johnfg | I ran that on an *old* kernel set. What actually is the output? |
| 18:55.41 | BCMM | johnfg: usually leftover /lib/modules/*/ directories belong to kernels that have been "removed", but not "purged" ("rc" status) |
| 18:56.03 | BCMM | johnfg: ran what, dpkg -S? |
| 18:56.18 | BCMM | the output is a list of packages that own a file. when it's a directory, many different packages can own it. |
| 18:56.41 | johnfg | BCMM: Sorry, yes, I ran dpkg -S /lib/modules/<old.kernel> |
| 18:57.23 | BCMM | so on my system (Sid) that gives me something like "linux-headers-5.10.0-4-amd64, linux-image-5.10.0-4-amd64: /lib/modules/5.10.0-4-amd64" |
| 18:57.26 | johnfg | BCMM: how do I *purge* those kernels? Then I'll see if that removes the offensive modules. |
| 18:57.52 | BCMM | apt purge linux-headers-5.10.0-4-amd64 linux-image-5.10.0-4-amd64 (for example) |
| 18:58.17 | BCMM | wait nevermind that's my current kernel |
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| 18:58.56 | BCMM | but think very similar output except it's talking about packages that are currently residual-config instead of installed |
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| 19:00.45 | kouett | ok so I found something odd regarding the iscsi issue I was discussing with ratrace yesterday. After fixing my fstab entry and moving the mountpoint to /mnt/var instead of /var, it boots normally. When mounting on /var, it timeouts. In this case, journalctl indicates that there are some failed dependencies (services which require /var mounted to work). What can I do from there ? Do I need to modify systemd |
| 19:00.47 | kouett | config ? |
| 19:02.06 | kouett | (to recontextualize it better, I need to mount an iscsi volume on /var and it timeouts during boot because systemd tries to mount the filesystem as if it was local, even when using _netdev) |
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| 19:02.39 | johnfg | BCMM: using the purge, then following up with another suggested autoremove is working. Probably better to use these programs that removing them manually. |
| 19:02.48 | johnfg | BCMM: Thanks for your help! |
| 19:02.57 | kouett | (systemd doesn't start iscsid and network before when mouting on /var but does when mounting on /mnt/var) |
| 19:02.59 | BCMM | i think you can pass --purge to autoremove, by teh way |
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| 19:07.12 | ratrace | kouett: are you using persistent journal? |
| 19:07.44 | ratrace | kouett: it's possible systemd wants to mount /var very early. do you really need to have whole /var elsewhere? maybe a subdirectory should suffice? |
| 19:08.20 | kouett | I don't think I have persistent journal ? journalctl --list-boots only lists me the current one |
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| 19:12.22 | kouett | but yeah, maybe doing the mount in a subdir would be ok. the thing is that I have lots of data a bit everywhere in my remote /var |
| 19:13.46 | kouett | would mapping multiple subdirs with symlinks would be ok though ? (eg. real content in /mnt/var/$dir and symlink in /var/$dir to /mnt/var/$dir) |
| 19:13.49 | maxrazer | I put default repository configuration in apt.conf.d folder? |
| 19:14.24 | greycat | you don't turn /var/log (or whatever dir) into a symlink to a new mount. You simply mount the new file *at* /var/log. |
| 19:14.39 | greycat | new file system* |
| 19:15.20 | kouett | greycat, I agree, but I have multiple subdirs on the same fs that I need to mount (ie /var/lib, /var/remotebackups) |
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| 19:15.40 | greycat | sounds like you want a bigger /var, then. so mount a new file system on /var. |
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| 19:16.23 | kouett | that's what we're talking about ;) my new /var is over iscsi but I have a dependency problem with systemd at boot |
| 19:16.43 | kouett | systemd needs /var too early and fails to mount the remote /var (circular dependency) |
| 19:17.26 | greycat | I've never used iscsi for /var. Good luck. ;-/ |
| 19:17.47 | ratrace | kouett: see if setting the journaly explicitly to volatile, in journald.conf, helps |
| 19:18.16 | ratrace | if unconfigured, systemd will look at existence of /var/log/journal and if it exists, it'll use it as persistent journal. that will want /var mounted early |
| 19:18.48 | ratrace | %s/journaly/journald/ |
| 19:18.59 | ratrace | Storage=volatile |
| 19:19.27 | kouett | ok, thanks for the idea. I'll try this in a few minutes (I currently have backups running, can't interrupt the system now) |
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| 19:21.43 | maxrazer | I get this error trying to set testing as the default source. The value 'âtestingâ' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 19:21.55 | greycat | *sigh* crossposting... |
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| 19:22.34 | greycat | Does the error message really contain *two* different kinds of quote marks? Does it really use curly quotes (UTF-8, smart quotes), or is that an artifact of your IRC client? |
| 19:23.01 | greycat | The reason I ask this, is because if the first thing is true, it probably indicates that you've got quote marks in a file where they ought not to be. |
| 19:23.36 | greycat | And if the second thing is true (i.e. they are not an artifact of IRC) then it might be that you used UTF-8 quotes instead of real quotes. |
| 19:24.05 | maxrazer | Ok, just typed it by hand. It looks like it was some pasting error. Thanks. |
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| 19:25.35 | kouett | ok so I also have this: system/sysinit.target.wants/apparmor.service:RequiresMountsFor=/var/cache/apparmor |
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| 19:25.52 | kouett | maybe apparmor is blocking the boot, too |
| 19:26.03 | kouett | I'll try disabling it |
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| 19:27.29 | maxrazer | uh oh. I did an apt update and I think it is using unstable instead of testing for a bunch of things like it is ignoring the default testing. |
| 19:27.34 | ratrace | kouett: yes. |
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| 19:28.09 | ratrace | kouett: however, maybe reconfigure its dependency, rather than disabling it. I assume you enabled it explicitly? |
| 19:28.29 | maxrazer | I named the file 90debian-tum |
| 19:29.02 | kouett | ratrace, yes, I could tell it to wait for my /var mount to be completed _before_ |
| 19:29.09 | ratrace | maxrazer: your frankendebian is now out to get yout. congratulations. find some villagers and gets some pitchforks. |
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| 19:29.17 | kouett | for now I just want to pin down the culprit ;) |
| 19:29.22 | ratrace | mkay |
| 19:30.03 | maxrazer | testing unstable mix is fine with unstable as backup for missing packages, but I did not mean to upgrade to debian unstable and I think I just did, like it ignored default repo is tesing in the apt.conf.d file I greated. |
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| 19:35.23 | kouett | ok, so with apparmor disabled it works, and with apparmor enabled it timeouts |
| 19:35.41 | kouett | looks like I'll have to tell apparmor to wait for the device mount to be completed |
| 19:36.09 | ratrace | kouett: yup |
| 19:36.28 | kouett | So I need to use an After= directive with the generated *.mount unit file, is that so ? |
| 19:36.43 | kouett | or is there a cleaner way (I'm no systemd specialist, lol) |
| 19:36.55 | ratrace | RequiresMountsFor=/var |
| 19:37.15 | kouett | thx |
| 19:37.39 | ratrace | After=var.mount should work too |
| 19:37.57 | maxrazer | I'm confused why debian used the unstable repository to upgrade packages like the Nvidia driver when I specified testing as the default respository in a file in apt.conf.d |
| 19:39.05 | maxrazer | I put APT::Default-Release âtestingâ; in a file in apt.conf.d |
| 19:39.10 | greycat | If you specified both, and didn't use a "pin" or other fancy-schmancy crap, it will choose the one with the higher version. |
| 19:39.25 | Thete | unstable is newer than testing |
| 19:39.41 | greycat | I have no idea what a Default-Release does. That's a #debian-next thing. |
| 19:39.46 | maxrazer | Are you sure about that? I've setup a testing unstable mix before and that default setting had it so unless I specified otherwise it would use testing, not unstable. |
| 19:39.57 | maxrazer | ok, yeah and that is where I got that from. |
| 19:40.22 | maxrazer | I had it working before and just went back to my notes, but I must have left something out. |
| 19:40.48 | sney | !default-release |
| 19:40.48 | dpkg | To make buster be preferred over other releases in your sources.list, put APT::Default-Release "buster"; in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ (create if needed). Or use "stretch", "stable" or "testing" (make it match the name used in /etc/apt/sources.list). Note that some apt front-ends like Synaptic are reported to ignore Default-Release. Also ask me about <tum>. |
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| 19:42.27 | maxrazer | !tum |
| 19:42.28 | dpkg | [Testing-Unstable Mix] echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20-tum.conf , then edit sources.list, copy your primary testing line and change the copy to unstable, then 'apt update'. Use 'apt -t unstable install foo' to install foo from unstable rather than testing. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
| 19:43.29 | kouett | ratrace, it worked ! many many thanks for your help :D |
| 19:43.37 | sney | you can verify that it worked with 'apt policy' before installing any packages. with tum, bullseye will have a 990 priority while sid will have 500 |
| 19:44.09 | kouett | is there a way info/recap on this could be of any use to debian teams/project ? |
| 19:44.18 | kouett | idk if this should be considered "a bug" |
| 19:44.22 | kouett | or not |
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| 19:45.35 | maxrazer | Maybe because I didn't call it 20-tum.conf ? It was ignored? I called it "90debian-tum" |
| 19:45.53 | greycat | if you didn't use the .conf that'd do it |
| 19:46.13 | greycat | extensions matter a lot nowadays |
| 19:46.18 | maxrazer | None of the other files in that directory had .conf so I decided not to. My notes didn't list the file name, which I was disapointed, but though it would be ok. |
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| 19:46.36 | kouett | ah, I spoke too fast http://paste.debian.net/plain/1190554 |
| 19:46.37 | maxrazer | Unstable isn't that bad, but not what I was trying to do. |
| 19:46.49 | sney | .conf isn't necessary. if anything I would guess that you have a typo, or the 90 means it's being parsed too late |
| 19:46.56 | kouett | systemd says: "found ordering cycle" |
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| 19:47.15 | kouett | (anyway, I'm ok with disabling apparmor for now, if that's what it takes to fix my problem) |
| 19:48.05 | greycat | checks the man page ... ah, this particular directory doesn't require the .conf like so many others do, but it does disqualify files that end with ~ or .dpkg-foo or a few other things |
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| 19:54.03 | ratrace | kouett: it's not really.... unless you assume systemd itself to be a giant bug :) |
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| 20:21.46 | blackop | can i install debian 10 on this machine? http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X20 |
| 20:21.57 | blackop | currently running debian 9.13 |
| 20:22.58 | A4L | Hi! Is Apt by any chance caching 404 errors? |
| 20:23.35 | petn-randall | A4L: No. |
| 20:23.39 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 20:23.39 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 20:23.43 | A4L | On my own repository it states that Release file can't be found, I tweaked nginx settings a little bit then, but even with -o Debug::Acquire::Http=true the request is not shown. |
| 20:24.25 | A4L | This is the output with HTTP debug, petn-randall: https://tmp-c.ž.ga/apt.txt |
| 20:25.12 | A4L | It just says 404 and does not show debugging headers. How do I make it show debugging headers for 404s as well? |
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| 20:26.58 | A4L | Separated stderr and stdout of apt output: https://tmp-c.xn--jha.ga/stdout.txt https://tmp-c.xn--jha.ga/stderr.txt |
| 20:27.39 | petn-randall | A4L: What is the full commannd you're running? |
| 20:27.48 | A4L | sudo apt-get -o Debug::Acquire::Http=true update 2> /tmp/stderr.txt > /tmp/stdout.txt |
| 20:28.44 | petn-randall | A4L: It might be that https doesn't allow debug output, that code is much newer than the rest. |
| 20:29.12 | A4L | Oh, thanks, that may be the case. The problem indeed is on my side, I was just uncertain why it didn't show in debug output. Thanks |
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| 20:55.42 | jhutchins | A4L: I usually run a command with screen output to verify that I'm getting it, then run it again with the redirect. |
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| 21:01.48 | johnfg | I've got an interesting problem. All the latest kernels for stretch (an older machine, but a primary server) have built fine, but they're not being installed to /boot! |
| 21:02.20 | johnfg | Is there something I've got misconfigured somewhere that's causing this? |
| 21:02.37 | sney | is /boot separate, and too small for your kernels and initrds? |
| 21:03.12 | johnfg | On my buster machine I never have any problem. When I run the apt upgrade with a new kernel, it installs it and generates the new grub.cfg. |
| 21:03.52 | johnfg | sney: Yes, /boot is a separate partition, but with the 2 kernels there, it's at 58%. |
| 21:04.17 | johnfg | Is there a way to manually install these kernels? |
| 21:04.33 | johnfg | To check if space is any or part of the problem? |
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| 21:04.58 | sney | usually the space problem pops up during initrd generation, so 'update-initramfs -u' and look for "no space left on device" in the output |
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| 21:06.23 | johnfg | What kernels will that command generate the initrd for? It started with the oldest. |
| 21:07.01 | sney | all installed kernels, though I don't remember if it parses /boot or package logs |
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| 21:10.17 | johnfg | sney /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-15-686 does not exist. Cannot update. |
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| 21:11.58 | sney | neat, ok, try 'update-initramfs -c -k 4.9.0-15-686' and see what happens. |
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| 21:13.45 | johnfg | depmod: WARNING: could not open /var/tmp/mkinitramfs_lXRHMF/lib/modules/4.9.0-15-686/modules.order: No such file or directory |
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| 21:16.03 | dvs | There's a 4.9.0-15 kernel? |
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| 21:17.47 | johnfg | dvs: An update for stretch. |
| 21:18.02 | sney | dvs: stretch, 4.9. yes |
| 21:18.23 | dvs | Ah. My record uptime is safe... for now. |
| 21:19.44 | sney | johnfg: even with that warning, did it generate an initrd and install it to /boot? |
| 21:20.22 | johnfg | Actually, yes, it did. |
| 21:20.43 | johnfg | So now should I run update-grub manually? |
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| 21:20.54 | sney | sure, try it |
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| 21:26.14 | johnfg | It did not generate for 4.9.0-15, maybe because there's no config, no system map and no vmlinux for it. |
| 21:26.30 | johnfg | I sure don't know what's going on here (or not going on). |
| 21:26.49 | jhutchins | johnfg: Try dpkg -L |
| 21:27.32 | johnfg | jhutchins: for which, exactly? |
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| 21:28.16 | maxrazer | Is termit the same as the termite terminal or are they different? |
| 21:28.39 | maxrazer | Because I see "termit" in the debian repository, but everywhere else it is "termite" |
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| 21:32.35 | johnfg | dpkg-query: package 'linux-image-4.9.0-15-686' is not installed and no information is available |
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| 21:34.40 | johnfg | So, although apt upgrade did much work with it, dpkg -L returns: dpkg-query: package 'linux-image-4.9.0-15-686' is not installed |
| 21:34.44 | johnfg | What to do? |
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| 21:35.17 | johnfg | Should I just try an apt install linux-image-4.9.0-15-686 |
| 21:35.21 | sney | isn't it -686-pae in the package name? |
| 21:35.22 | greycat | maybe that's not the full name |
| 21:35.29 | greycat | sney: yeah, like that. |
| 21:35.39 | johnfg | No, not for this old machine. |
| 21:37.16 | sney | I think it's been -pae since lenny or stretch, regardless of whether you have enough memory to need pae on 32-bit x86 |
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| 21:38.18 | johnfg | sney: nope. The non-pae kernel is still available, and it looks like at least for this one, apt install is going to do the job. |
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| 21:39.03 | johnfg | Even configured it in grub. Let me reboot to that new kernel (hopefully) and I'll brb. |
| 21:40.09 | sney | ,v linux-image-686 --arch i386 |
| 21:40.10 | judd | Package: linux-image-686 on i386 -- stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u9; buster-security: 4.19+105+deb10u9; buster-proposed-updates: 4.19+105+deb10u11; buster-backports: 5.10.13-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.10.19-1; sid: 5.10.24-1 |
| 21:40.15 | sney | there it is. TIL |
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| 21:54.53 | johnfg | hi again. |
| 21:55.09 | Anarchy7 | hi there I have debian 8 jessie Im trying to upgrade to 9, sudo apt-get update gives lots of 404 not found... how can I update my sources list to valid repositories? |
| 21:55.20 | johnfg | So, up and running 4.9.0-15-686 (no pae) :-) |
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| 21:55.50 | johnfg | Thanks for all the help, even though at the end, I just had to install the latest kernel for stretch manually. |
| 21:55.57 | greycat | !stretch sources.list |
| 21:55.58 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:56.30 | johnfg | Any way to tell whether things are back to 'normal' in regards to updating the kernel? |
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| 21:57.01 | BCMM | Anarchy7: is this happening before or after you updates your sources to stretch? |
| 21:58.55 | Anarchy7 | I havent updated anything yet on sources list. I googled a tutorial for upgrading from jessie to stretch. First command I ran " sudo apt-get update" gives 9 404 not found errors |
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| 21:59.44 | Anarchy7 | Probably I have to edit sources.list and modify the outdated lines with valid lines. However I dont know which ones would be valid... |
| 22:00.14 | Anarchy7 | !stretch sources.list |
| 22:00.14 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 22:01.49 | Anarchy7 | !jessie sources.list |
| 22:01.49 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 22:01.58 | johnfg | As now, on this machine, I have 4.9.0-11 and 15, is there a reason to install or build some of the others that show up in /lib/modules, but were never installed? Or just remove/purge all of them. |
| 22:03.03 | A4L | jhutchins (in reply to 21:55:42+01 - off topic): Yeah, I did not pipe the output to the files at first, I only did it so I could post the output on IRC (; |
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| 22:10.16 | johnfg | how with what's in /lib/modules, does dpkg -l not list them? how did apt install them in a way that dpkg doesn't know of them? |
| 22:14.31 | Anarchy7 | I added 2 lines for jessie and then run aptitude update but getting this error : W: Failed to fetch https://packages.sury.org/php/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages: HttpError404 |
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| 22:16.17 | Lachezar | X-Post: I'm puzzled by dhcpcd (DHCP C D). Is there a way to switch profiles baed on WiFi SSID, and not the IP of the router? |
| 22:17.49 | greycat | Please note that Raspbian is not supported here. |
| 22:18.17 | johnfg | Anarchy7: you have to wget that key. |
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| 22:19.53 | Lachezar | greycat: Isn't dhcpcd part of base debian? |
| 22:20.04 | greycat | It's not installed by default, no. |
| 22:20.12 | greycat | But in various OTHER distributions, like Raspbian, it is. |
| 22:20.37 | Lachezar | greycat: Ah. I see. |
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| 22:22.14 | metbsd | why would it install dhcpd by default |
| 22:22.40 | greycat | because "how you configure network interfaces" is one of the biggest changes between distributions |
| 22:22.59 | greycat | and it's not dhcpd, it's dhcpcd, the client daemon |
| 22:23.55 | metbsd | ohhh a client.. ok |
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| 23:03.45 | Anarchy7 | !stretch sources.list |
| 23:03.45 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 23:34.08 | maxrazer | I'm trying to build Termite terminal. It is requiring gtk.h, but the libgtk2.0-dev lib-gtk-3-dev etc are not supplying it. |
| 23:35.50 | petn-randall | maxrazer: `apt-file search /gtk.h` will offer you three libs, two being the ones you listed. |
| 23:36.24 | maxrazer | Oh, I searched without the slash and got a ton of results. |
| 23:37.52 | maxrazer | I get 5 results with that. 3 -doc and 2 -dev and I already installed those 2. |
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| 23:40.39 | maxrazer | petn-randall: Can you tell me what three libs are you got? |
| 23:41.38 | maxrazer | wait, there is this r-cran-rgtk2 |
| 23:42.53 | maxrazer | That didn't work |
| 23:44.02 | maxrazer | I installed all three and make still couldn't find gtk.h. Maybe it is a more complicated location problem. Either way Debian has no termite package. |
| 23:46.04 | petn-randall | maxrazer: You might have to fix the build system to include files from there. Or it's so old that it's looking for obsolete versions. |
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