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| 02:24.30 | maxtim | zfs on debian 10: I understand that I need to use backports, and I understand the risk involved when doing so. That being said, I just installed it on one of my machines. How's anyone's experience using zfs on debian? I have a TrueNAS installation, so I have use zfs on that platform. I'm wondering about the stability of the package mostly... |
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| 02:34.11 | SponiX | maxtim: I've had a good experience with both the software package and the file system itself |
| 02:35.06 | SponiX | maxtim: odds are high that I have already built the most recent zfs backported from sid - if you just want to install that way |
| 02:36.24 | maxtim | SponiX, I installed via buster-backports. Is there a whole lot of differences between sid and backports? |
| 02:37.31 | sponix2ipfw | maxtim: never mind, the backport has been updated already it seems. If you are on version 2.0.3 - that is the exact same thing I was going to offer you anyway :P |
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| 02:41.27 | maxtim | sponix2ipfw, do you still need a ludicrous amount of ram, like TrueNAS? |
| 02:42.33 | maxtim | I have, I think 72GiB of ram in my TrueNAS now. But I also have a lot of VMs running on that machine as well. |
| 02:42.34 | rangergord | Hi. What is the Debian stable's equivalent of Ubuntu PPAs or CentOS 3rd party repos? Like if I want latest git, the latest Postgres, etc, what should I be doing? Anything easier than building from source or hoping the authors made an AppImage? |
| 02:42.53 | rangergord | maxtim: damn, what you doing on that NAS? |
| 02:43.02 | rangergord | err, VMs, yeah |
| 02:43.06 | rangergord | but what specifically? |
| 02:43.26 | rangergord | I've found Docker to be a handy way to avoid the resource overhead of VMs for my home server |
| 02:43.40 | maxtim | Websites, Plex, and NextCloud |
| 02:43.56 | maxtim | it still like eats the ram, man |
| 02:44.26 | rangergord | websites? like, serving actual websites to people on the net? |
| 02:44.40 | rangergord | cause I know for sure the latter two don't need more than 6GB between them, and that's being generous |
| 02:45.42 | SponiX | maxtim: that 1GB Ram per TB of storage is old school recommendations IMHO. I don't need/use nearly that. I have 32GB, run 3-4 VM's and a LOT of other stuff, no memory issues ( also don't use ECC ) |
| 02:46.17 | maxtim | no, a lot of my own little things. i like to mess around with these things. And many of them are outwardly facing, but are locked up and for my use only. |
| 02:47.15 | maxtim | SponiX, are you saying not to use ECC, or are you saying that you don't use ECC? |
| 02:47.33 | rangergord | SponiX: see what you get for not taking the tiome out to type an extra letter? |
| 02:47.37 | SponiX | rangergord: "backports" is the 1st place to check |
| 02:48.30 | SponiX | maxtim: I'm saying that personally I do not use ECC. Never have with my ZFS, and I've had data since back in 2006 that is still around and fine :P |
| 02:48.30 | rangergord | SponiX: thanks, that does seem. Buster has git 2.20, backports has 2.2.9 |
| 02:48.33 | rangergord | 2.29 |
| 02:49.05 | SponiX | rangergord: Yeah, not everything is covered by the buster-backports. But _most_ of the stuff people commonly ask for over and over makes it |
| 02:49.24 | SponiX | !ssb |
| 02:49.24 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 02:49.45 | SponiX | rangergord: for the stuff that hasn't made it -- you can look into that process and actually backport it from Sid yourself |
| 02:49.53 | rangergord | what are the odds of this breaking my system/packages? am I entering a world of pain? |
| 02:50.31 | rangergord | also, if backports isn't enough, what's the next go-to solution? (like if I wanted git 2.31). Build from source? Or is there some PPA-like feature? |
| 02:50.45 | SponiX | rangergord: if you are just hand picking a handful of backports you are probably fine. But I must admit, I got carried away and just did ALL of them prior, and did start to have a few issues LOL |
| 02:51.04 | SponiX | v, git |
| 02:51.15 | SponiX | ,v git |
| 02:51.16 | judd | Package: git on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u10; stretch: 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u7; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u7; stretch-security: 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u7; stretch-backports: 1:2.20.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:2.20.1-2+deb10u3; buster-security: 1:2.20.1-2+deb10u3; buster-backports: 1:2.29.2-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1:2.30.2-1; sid: 1:2.31.0-1; |
| 02:51.17 | judd | experimental: 1:2.31.0+next.20210315-1 |
| 02:51.20 | maxtim | rangergord, from my experience with backports, (only me here) I've had some trouble with specifically nvidia drivers. Which I usually can fix by reinstalling the package if it breaks |
| 02:51.49 | SponiX | rangergord: you could follow the SSB process (simple sid backport) and do it yourself from sid for the _latest_ |
| 02:52.38 | maxtim | Debian is sometimes frustratingly stable. But at least it doesn't break thousands of computers that use kyocera or network printers.... |
| 02:53.01 | maxtim | f'ng windows. the now infamous update of March 9th |
| 02:53.09 | rangergord | I get that entirely. It's just that for dev tools, specific libraries I use, and Postgres , I'd prefer to be on latest. |
| 02:53.19 | rangergord | about 5 packages total, if you don't count dependencies |
| 02:54.05 | SponiX | rangergord: postgres is in the backports tree, not 100% sure HOW recent that version is though |
| 02:54.16 | rangergord | I know Qt is painful so I keep that stuff out of path and install manually/deploy. Actually I wonder if that's what I should do for Postgres. |
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| 02:55.07 | maxtim | qt is a whole different beast. personally, I think you'd be fine (I'm no neckbeard though) |
| 02:55.22 | SponiX | rangergord: If you have a priority of bleeding edge software and don't mind dedicating about an hour to an install process -- Arch is probably where you should be looking. Or if you want close to bleeding edge without the setup hassle there is Manjaro |
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| 02:56.14 | rangergord | SponiX: nah this is for work. I want EVERYTHING to be stable except the 2-3 things I need to be bleeding edge. |
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| 02:56.30 | rangergord | I'm coming from a Ubuntu LTS background, switched to Debian recently |
| 02:56.33 | maxtim | SponiX, oh it's not that complicated... once you install arch three or four times it's easy *_- |
| 02:56.37 | rangergord | lol |
| 02:59.07 | SponiX | rangergord: if just a handful of things, yeah. looking at existing backports, and possibly doing a few of your own -- seems legit |
| 03:00.01 | rangergord | by doing a few of my own, you mean the SSB thing, or manually compiling the latest source from dev's website? |
| 03:01.05 | SponiX | rangergord: I would recommend SSB process when possible |
| 03:01.39 | SponiX | rangergord: I've only done zfs and rtorrent so far, they have only a few deps. Doing some others might get more complex |
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| 03:03.22 | rangergord | for sure |
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| 03:08.28 | rangergord | SponiX: if I want to stay on Buster for the next couple of years, does the backports approach still work? Or is there little chance when Bullseye comes out, that anything from unstable will be backported to Buster? |
| 03:09.41 | SponiX | rangergord: I'm actually fairly new to Debian, but my thought on this is, when Bullseye becomes the new "stable" it will likely get most of the focus of backports from Sid, and Buster will likely start to see less |
| 03:10.02 | SponiX | rangergord: I'm not 100% sure on that though, as I haven't followed Debian long enough to know for sure |
| 03:10.35 | rangergord | ah, a fellow fresh-off-the-boat immigrant |
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| 03:12.39 | rangergord | thanks for helping a FOB brother out |
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| 03:13.18 | craigevil | you could always go on a wild ride and either use Testing or sid |
| 03:14.08 | SponiX | !sid |
| 03:14.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 03:15.07 | craigevil | that's half the fun. Tweak it until it works great then tweak it until it breaks |
| 03:15.23 | SponiX | I would consider riding testing honestly. just knowing it is close to code freeze and becoming Debian 11 anyway |
| 03:15.29 | craigevil | that's how you learn :) |
| 03:15.47 | SponiX | craigevil: seems he is in more of a production environment |
| 03:15.56 | rangergord | yeah. not the internet-facing kind thankfully |
| 03:16.06 | craigevil | ah then you might even consider debian-lts |
| 03:17.28 | rangergord | I'm in this weird zone where I want everything to be stable and well-tested, but whenever I have a new need (new gcc, new version of arbitrary library, new git, new postgres, etc), I'd like to be able to get it |
| 03:18.08 | craigevil | what do you want to do with your system? |
| 03:18.19 | rangergord | I'm setting up a system to be used for the next 3 years. Security is not a concern, these are offline kiosk-style systems. |
| 03:18.51 | rangergord | craigevil: Raspberry-style PC that shows sensor data on an LCD |
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| 03:19.52 | rangergord | so once I have Debian 10 working like I want it, I'll make an image, and flash it onto partitions. But one year from now I might need a newer compiler for my app, newer Qt, etc |
| 03:19.59 | rangergord | so I'll have to tweak the image |
| 03:20.07 | craigevil | ah, stable might be the way to go then, if you do decide to upgrade you can always upgrade to Bullseye when it becomes the next stable |
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| 03:20.53 | rangergord | yeah I'm already on Buster. Actually, kind of forced by the fact that Bullseye dropped the Qt4 library, which one of my apps needs. |
| 03:21.12 | rk4 | trivial question...but there's so many different approaches...if i install the elpa-ace-window package, how do i actually load it? :( |
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| 03:23.11 | rk4 | ...oh, disregard. it automagically loads, i just didn't test it properly |
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| 03:25.49 | ryouma | i now have a quarter of physical memory being used, but i am not actually running any significant applications. i did memetat|sort -h and the top results are x, libc, and this: 214276k: PID 19206 (/usr/sbin/rsyslogd). is that normal? normally less memory is used. |
| 03:25.50 | rangergord | !bdo |
| 03:25.50 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 03:27.18 | SponiX | ryouma: you might want to visit www.linuxatemyram.com |
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| 03:29.45 | ryouma | tldr cache. does this support that hypothesis? free -ht: "Mem: 5.5G 359M 4.3G 64M 867M 4.9G" |
| 03:30.22 | ryouma | gkrellm says 21 percent of memory is swapped out |
| 03:30.33 | ryouma | and i don't think cache would be swapped? |
| 03:31.12 | SponiX | ryouma: know what your swappiness value is set at ? |
| 03:32.18 | ryouma | 1 |
| 03:32.32 | ryouma | i.e. preference for not swapping, iiuc |
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| 03:39.39 | ryouma | i guess the question is just, what on earth is swapped out? |
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| 03:45.09 | ryouma | this is supposed to be there right? root 34 2 0.0 0.0 [oom_reaper] |
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| 03:47.51 | rangergord | how much disk space would I need for a local apt mirror for Buster? Anyone know off-hand? |
| 03:47.59 | rangergord | just an approximation, I'm not about to do it now |
| 03:48.09 | rangergord | main+contrib |
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| 03:53.13 | jmcnaught | rangergord: https://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 03:53.22 | rangergord | nice, thanks |
| 03:53.40 | rangergord | damn! |
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| 03:53.59 | jmcnaught | rangergord: I would consider something like apt-cacher-ng instead of trying to do a complete local mirror |
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| 03:56.11 | rangergord | that 430GB is for every single release, though, right? It's probably much more manageable if I just pick a single distro I want |
| 03:56.15 | rangergord | err, single release |
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| 03:57.11 | rangergord | the 430GB for amd64 |
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| 04:24.31 | oxek | how come `passwd` is required but not essential package? |
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| 04:30.02 | nkuttler | oxek: see https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ about priorities and essential packages |
| 04:32.51 | oxek | nkuttler: I think I don't understand how `passwd` could be *not* essential according to that |
| 04:33.35 | oxek | there are only 6 packages that are required but not essential: debconf, e2fsprogs, mawk, mount, passwd, tzdata |
| 04:33.42 | nkuttler | oxek: your system doesn't break if you can't change passwords for a second? |
| 04:33.42 | oxek | I get the reasoning for all except passwd |
| 04:35.11 | oxek | ooh, I thought passwd is the one that sets up /etc/passwd as well |
| 04:35.23 | oxek | but it's just the set of binaries for handling that file |
| 04:36.15 | oxek | I get it now, thanks |
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| 04:45.15 | Sora | is there a nice task scheduler for 1 time tasks? |
| 04:47.16 | jmcnaught | Sora: there's at |
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| 06:07.53 | craigevil | wtf does the wiki page say Forbidden <p>You are not allowed to access this!</p> |
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| 06:08.21 | EdePopede | which one? |
| 06:08.34 | craigevil | the main debian wiki any page |
| 06:08.43 | craigevil | https://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 06:09.02 | EdePopede | ok, works from here. your IP maybe banned for some reason? |
| 06:09.17 | EdePopede | (which may be something from the past) |
| 06:09.50 | craigevil | i am using protonvpn |
| 06:10.20 | craigevil | will change servers and see if that fixes it |
| 06:10.30 | EdePopede | maybe someone else was /mis/using it before |
| 06:10.54 | EdePopede | good things tend to attract not so good people |
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| 06:15.11 | craigevil | apparently the prootonvpn toronto server is blocked, problem solved |
| 06:15.20 | EdePopede | \o/ |
| 06:15.51 | oxek | craigevil: same problem for me |
| 06:15.55 | oxek | it is a known problem |
| 06:16.02 | oxek | nothing can be done |
| 06:16.31 | oxek | the wiki software doesn't have a distinction between being allowed to edit the wiki, and being allowed to access the wiki |
| 06:16.48 | oxek | hence any bad IP gets completely banned from accessing the wiki |
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| 06:17.57 | EdePopede | would ddos work over proton? |
| 06:18.51 | craigevil | wouldn't think so, but it might |
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| 06:19.17 | EdePopede | if so then it would need 2 blacklists. |
| 06:19.53 | EdePopede | or it is against brutefore login attempts |
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| 06:27.09 | jhutchins | Really, a proxy suggests malfesance in the first place. What is so secret about your traffic with the Debian wiki? |
| 06:27.43 | craigevil | lol absolutely nothing, i just leave it on 24/7 |
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| 06:31.51 | jhutchins | craigevil: It might be an interesting exercise to filter what goes throgh VPN and what goes native. |
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| 06:32.57 | craigevil | so far the wiki and linuxquestions.org are the only sites i have been blocked, LQ.org is a cloudflare thing |
| 06:33.21 | jhutchins | There |
| 06:33.33 | craigevil | oh and OFTC doesn't like servers in FL or GA |
| 06:34.15 | jhutchins | Maybe "fake" servers. |
| 06:35.18 | jhutchins | There's a philosophu among site operators that if you don't want to be open and honest about your identity, we don't need you on your site. |
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| 06:36.51 | EdePopede | depending on the site there may be a good reason to use a vpn |
| 06:38.09 | EdePopede | remember the discussions on repos and encrypting. some may not want to know their ISP or gov what they are doing. may it be using crypto software or getting info on specific topics. |
| 06:39.10 | EdePopede | there even has been the idea years ago to always use https to make a swarm for such folks. |
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| 06:42.56 | jhutchins | Double positive that makes a negative: Yeah, right. |
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| 06:44.28 | jhutchins | I do fully support those users who need to evade government surveilance in order to freely operate - not just play games without paying the fees. |
| 06:45.06 | jhutchins | The vast majorityh of the Linux community is not in that category. |
| 06:45.46 | craigevil | i don't play games other than Crossfire, kinda hard to play games using a raspberry pi400 |
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| 06:46.40 | n4dir | 6 or 7 years ago i was trying hard to understand the concept of the freedombox, by that ran in darknets like i2p and onion too (the latter i knew before that, of course). |
| 06:47.03 | n4dir | i didn't understand enough of it, security is a tough subject and i am not too smart, and it is too long ago. |
| 06:47.14 | n4dir | but i think it is a pity so few care about such questions. |
| 06:47.25 | n4dir | the speeches of Eben Moglen sure are entertaining. |
| 06:48.06 | n4dir | why did i stop with the subject? Well: systemd got in my way. |
| 06:50.32 | alex11 | puts you all on the list |
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| 07:10.49 | mrjpaxton[m] | Hey, I want to migrate a software RAID1 with LUKS Debian UEFI install to Secure Boot. The `/boot` partition is left unencrypted, but the whole Btrfs root is encrypted. I already know about this page - https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot - But it doesn't have easy to understand step-by-step instructions. |
| 07:10.51 | mrjpaxton[m] | I don't want to accidentally lock myself out of the system, or something like that. My UEFI/BIOS setup lets be also create keys (MOKs), but I know there's a utility that does that. Anyway, how exactly would I migrate over a "non-Secure Boot" system to Secure Boot compatible? |
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| 07:32.43 | jhutchins | So you |
| 07:33.39 | jhutchins | So you're making problems for yourself in order to mak life interesting, and you don't actually need a computer to do anything practical. |
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| 07:39.39 | lifostack | hi all is this a support chan? i've got a debian buster bare metal laptop and i installed zoom via GUI in my haste to make a monday meeting... it doesnt work... later on i installed via CLI/apt had no problems whatsoever.. but i want to get rid of the initial install as i've got two icons in applications menu now |
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| 07:39.51 | lifostack | i went apt purge zoom and that pulled the CLI installed version but not the other one |
| 07:39.57 | lifostack | im curious how i can go about deleting it? |
| 07:40.06 | lifostack | i cant seem to find where its located or anything about it |
| 07:40.17 | lifostack | dpkg-query -l isnt showing zoom |
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| 07:42.06 | lifostack | show details from the r.click menu in the applications menu does nothing as well |
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| 07:42.52 | lifostack | rather, it brings up a GUI that says "unable to find zoom-client_zoom-client.desktop" in the "Software" application GUI |
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| 07:43.32 | lifostack | additionally, in the software GUI zoom is not listed and cannot be found via search |
| 07:43.52 | EdePopede | what GUI did you use at the 1st time? and do you still have the icon in the menu? |
| 07:44.11 | lifostack | i believe i used the software GUI but im verifying that now |
| 07:44.35 | lifostack | sorry it was the "package installer GUI" |
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| 07:44.52 | lifostack | typical GUI .deb package install attempt |
| 07:45.03 | lifostack | yes the icon is still in the menu |
| 07:45.11 | EdePopede | something in /usr/share/applications ? |
| 07:45.20 | lifostack | and though it doesnt launch, the software is still "installed" or launching without error so to speak |
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| 07:46.25 | EdePopede | i used some gui installer a single time, then i switched to aptitude, now i'm with apt-get. can't even remember the name of that thingy. |
| 07:46.54 | n4dir | on the command-line use "z" then autocomplete it, if nothing is found use "Z" and autocomplete, to find the executable's name |
| 07:47.25 | n4dir | if both fails: try the command "locate", or "find / -iname '*zoom*'; or such |
| 07:47.31 | jhutchins | lifostack: What desktop envrionment are you using? Where did you get the zoom package you installed. |
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| 07:48.56 | lifostack | zoom is not listed in the ls -l /usr/share/applications |
| 07:49.39 | lifostack | ah looks like its still there "using tab autocomplete" as zoom-client ? |
| 07:49.49 | lifostack | should i go ahead and apt purge zoom-client ? |
| 07:50.35 | lifostack | i totally forgot about the autocomplete trick. thanks for the reminder. i wanted to use the locate/find cmds but i forgot how to use them (and what locates name was) |
| 07:52.55 | lifostack | hmm... apt purge zoom-client returns an error about no zoom-client package but "there is a snap package with that name" |
| 07:53.12 | lifostack | i've never removed a snap package |
| 07:53.59 | lifostack | looks like the cmd is 'snap remove --purge packagename' |
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| 07:56.19 | lifostack | tons of errors about missing files (prob because of dual installs and one already having been removed) but zoom-client and the zoom icons are gone! |
| 07:56.33 | n4dir | uh-yeah. |
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| 07:59.52 | lifostack | happy days! |
| 08:00.06 | lifostack | zooms been removed, reinstalled (correctly) and is working fully functional now |
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| 08:00.16 | lifostack | command line FTW! never installing packages via GUI again |
| 08:00.28 | lifostack | many thanks, nite all |
| 08:01.59 | n4dir | you can screw quite a bit if installing third-party apps from command line too. |
| 08:02.41 | n4dir | or if mixing different debian releases ... and so on |
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| 08:07.06 | EdePopede | snap crashing into aptland, why doesn't it surprise me. |
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| 08:07.33 | Unit193 | Because the apt maintainer is an Ubuntu core dev? ;) |
| 08:07.40 | EdePopede | good point! |
| 08:07.56 | n4dir | who is it? |
| 08:08.12 | n4dir | Herzog or such? |
| 08:09.13 | ratrace | a lot of ubuntu maintainers/developers are also debian maintainers/developers. been like that forever |
| 08:10.05 | Unit193 | Yes, to the benefit of both really. grub2 is also maintained by one, and has been since forever. |
| 08:10.43 | ratrace | snaps and apt don't collide in debian. in ubuntu, some .deb packages are just shims that actually install a snap. Chromium for example. |
| 08:10.52 | EdePopede | heh, also seems to be used mostly by u*u users xD https://snapcraft.io/zoom-client |
| 08:11.21 | Unit193 | Or at least not yet, anyway. |
| 08:11.22 | EdePopede | i wanted to look at that snap and the distro version, just can't find any direct link :/ |
| 08:11.33 | ratrace | afaik, no such shims in debian. however, in the case above, I think it was that infernal gnome software thingy that, at least on ubuntu, seamlessly integrates with snaps and you don't know what exactly you're installing on first glance. |
| 08:12.17 | EdePopede | hiding the nasty bits and have the users believe in magic |
| 08:12.36 | ratrace | and by that I mean you don't know if it's a snap or regular .deb, it's not clear until you look into package details. |
| 08:13.44 | ratrace | if you ask me, that's a bug of such magnitude that should've been removed from debian. if that means dropping gnome, then drop the turdpile. snaps and flaptpaks have their use, yes, but they must be clearly, visibly, consciously and deliberately installed. |
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| 08:13.56 | EdePopede | it's easier first than thinking about a concept which *really* would help the users |
| 08:15.44 | EdePopede | <ratrace> snaps and apt don't collide in debian. <-- that's what i don't get. to they check each file they'd like to use if it's in one of the repo packages already? even if, are snaps release specific? because this could change then. |
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| 08:16.44 | EdePopede | i REALLY don't feel like having ANYTHING but apt* touch most parts of the directory tree. |
| 08:17.08 | n4dir | same here. |
| 08:17.47 | n4dir | being rather conservative regarding packages served me very well for, say, 15 years |
| 08:18.07 | ratrace | EdePopede: snaps are containerized. loopback mounted squashfs container roots, mounting under /snaps. They never touch anything outside except a few rare places, and mostly into user's ~/ |
| 08:18.33 | EdePopede | ah. that's good to hear. just in case ;) |
| 08:19.35 | ratrace | yeah but still, I wonder how installing zoom from snap happened on debian without user knowing. on ubuntu, snapd is installed by default and difficult to remove, and integrated with gnome Software, in that it seamlessly shows snaps and .deb software. |
| 08:19.39 | EdePopede | though i also don't like the idea of additional top level directories. there's /opt after all, where Opera was sitting for some time on my system. many years ago. |
| 08:19.50 | ratrace | is snapd now also installed when you select gnome desktop? |
| 08:20.18 | jelly | the vendor might have a deb file that is really a thin installer for the snap |
| 08:20.38 | ratrace | there's /opt, there's /usr/local, there's /var even. squashfs files are ideally located in /var and loopback mounted into /usr/local |
| 08:20.40 | jelly | vendors do all sorts of horrible things with their packages |
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| 08:21.48 | ratrace | ah you mean third party .deb repo that did.... that. yes. like chromium on regular ubuntu |
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| 08:22.59 | jelly | I'm pretty sure zoom is not open source, either the client or the server |
| 08:23.47 | ratrace | that doesn't mean it can't be packaged as a .deb |
| 08:24.17 | jelly | it does mean debian packaging policies might not apply |
| 08:24.55 | ratrace | well yea, third party repos are ousside of debian's control. |
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| 08:27.35 | craigevil | idk about gnome but kde has a plasma-discover package for snap and flatpak |
| 08:28.39 | craigevil | works just like Add/Remove Software, search for an app, click install |
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| 08:30.47 | craigevil | ah gnome-software has similar packages, gnome-software-plugin-flatpak, gnome-software-plugin-snap |
| 08:31.13 | ratrace | craigevil: are snaps clearly marked as snaps in kde? |
| 08:31.33 | craigevil | only if you click on the package and look at the source |
| 08:31.41 | ratrace | that's terrible too |
| 08:31.55 | craigevil | or at least not that i could see |
| 08:33.05 | craigevil | you can install plasma-discover without the other packages, then you only see what you have in your sources.list |
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| 08:34.36 | craigevil | it only suggests the other packages: Suggests: plasma-discover-backend-flatpak, plasma-discover-backend-fwupd |
| 08:35.33 | Lope | Having a very weird experience. Running a Windows 10 VM with Libvirt and KVM. I can't get more than 2 cores to show up in windows task manager. <vcpu placement='static'>12</vcpu> I've tried 12, 11, 4, etc. Only 2 show up. If I set it to 1, then 1 CPU core shows up. I undefine and redefine the libvirt domain every time so it's definitely getting the config every time. What could it be? |
| 08:36.59 | EdePopede | lol i tried to get behind it. the snap thing seems to be only a wrapper or an install script around the official zoom debian package which i can't even find on zoo.us. the site itself is unusable, with a sign-up button and a demo request and a shopping button at the bottom. srsly, i wouldn't even know how to install zoom on debian. |
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| 08:38.26 | EdePopede | the least would be to mark snaps similar to non-free ;) |
| 08:40.21 | Lope | This is the CPU related part of my libvirt config for the VM: http://codepad.org/5WRvx17z |
| 08:41.22 | craigevil | https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204206269-Installing-or-updating-Zoom-on-Linux#h_adcc0b66-b2f4-468b-bc7a-12c182f354b7 |
| 08:41.32 | craigevil | first google link |
| 08:41.45 | craigevil | apparenly zoom has a .deb |
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| 08:43.10 | craigevil | hasn't been updated in 4ever, it asked which debian version 7 or 8 |
| 08:45.07 | EdePopede | ah thanks, i'll look at it. all i find is windows stuff (exe and msi, that's ridiculous) |
| 08:45.17 | ratrace | Lope: I don't know libvirt options. but qemu-system uses -smp to specify virtual cpus |
| 08:45.48 | ratrace | Lope: which would translate to cpuset, not placement, for vcpu libvirt option: https://wiki.libvirt.org/page/QEMUSwitchToLibvirt#-smp |
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| 08:46.58 | EdePopede | is gdebi really needed or is it just convenience for ubuntu style users? generally spoken, not specific to zoom now. |
| 08:47.07 | ratrace | Lope: btw do you actually have 12 physical cores? |
| 08:47.18 | Lope | ratrace, it's a ryzen 3600 |
| 08:47.22 | Lope | 6c12t? |
| 08:47.39 | Lope | Thanks bro. So what setting do you reckon I should use? |
| 08:47.40 | ratrace | threads don't translate to extra cores tho :) |
| 08:47.45 | EdePopede | oh, a gui. that's maybe why. |
| 08:48.23 | ratrace | Lope: your performance will probably be worse than you think, due to context switches which are extra impacted by meltdown/spectre mitigations and |
| 08:48.44 | Lope | ryzen doesn't have meltdown though |
| 08:48.56 | Lope | and it's only got 1 subset of 1 spectre mitigation |
| 08:49.24 | ratrace | Lope: https://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#cpu-allocation |
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| 08:50.30 | ratrace | Lope: in addition you should use "-cpu host" qemu-system option and whatever that translates to libvirt, otherwise windows can't tell it's amd and not activate mitigations .. if it does that at all |
| 08:52.01 | Lope | ratrace, windows 10 pro reports the CPU as Amd Epyc |
| 08:52.13 | Lope | which is not right, but at least it won't enable the intel mitigations. |
| 08:52.24 | ratrace | I suppose, yeah |
| 08:52.40 | ratrace | assuming the windows kernel does the mitigations like the linux kernel |
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| 08:52.55 | Lope | ratrace, I've read https://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#cpu-allocation a bunch of times, it seems like this is correct? <vcpu placement='static'>12</vcpu> ? |
| 08:53.09 | Lope | Even if I do <vcpu placement='static'>4</vcpu> it only gets 2 :/ |
| 08:53.20 | Lope | In windows it shows up as 2 sockets and 2 CPUs |
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| 08:53.47 | Lope | So KVM is presenting each CPU thread as a separate physical CPU |
| 08:53.58 | Lope | And I think windows 10 is limited to 2 physical CPUs. |
| 08:54.34 | ratrace | shoudln't use physical cpus, that's a whole different set of scheduling codepaths and numa expectations |
| 08:54.55 | ratrace | with qemu-system, I'd use this option: -smp 12,sockets=1,cores=6,threads=2 |
| 08:55.13 | Lope | haha, that's awesome |
| 08:55.20 | ratrace | but, as I said, better don't count HT as cores... so: -smp 6,sockets1,cores=6,threads=1 |
| 08:55.20 | Lope | I wonder how to do that with libvirt :/ |
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| 08:55.56 | ratrace | the libvirt xml turdpile is convoluted and obnoxious. JustUseQemuSystem(tm) :) |
| 08:56.13 | Lope | It says "Sockets 2, virtual processors 2, virtual Machine Yes" |
| 08:56.27 | ratrace | alternatively, maybe a UI like virt-manager allows that setup in a clicky-clicky way? |
| 08:56.37 | Lope | I tried this <vcpu placement='static' cpuset='1-4'>4</vcpu> |
| 08:57.04 | Lope | GOod idea, I'll set it in virt-manager, will see what that makes. |
| 08:57.52 | ratrace | I mean libvirt is ideally used with an UI. nobody on this Satan's green earth should be finetuning XML by hand... |
| 08:58.08 | Lope | Whoa, I made a 1 socket 6c 12t CPU in virt-manager and it produced: <vcpu placement='static'>72</vcpu> |
| 08:58.21 | ratrace | pffft hahahahaha |
| 08:58.32 | EdePopede | is #packaging only meant for actual work or also for brainstorming and switching on the bulb upon one's head? |
| 08:58.32 | Lope | Oh, and <cpu mode='host-model' check='partial'><topology sockets='1' dies='1' cores='6' threads='12'/></cpu> |
| 08:58.33 | ratrace | Lope: 2t, not 12 |
| 08:59.03 | Lope | It should actually be dies 2, cores 6 threads 12 |
| 08:59.12 | Lope | Or perhaps I should define it as 2 CPUs |
| 08:59.24 | ratrace | Lope: you only have 2 threads per core, so put 2 for threads, not 12 |
| 08:59.32 | ratrace | the option doesn't take total thread count, it takes per core count |
| 09:01.31 | Lope | Okay, it started |
| 09:01.47 | Lope | Oh is that how it's meant to work. Oops |
| 09:01.55 | Lope | okay win10 is booting, let's see |
| 09:01.57 | ratrace | yeah, and cores is count of cores per socket |
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| 09:02.08 | Lope | Lol, it died |
| 09:02.22 | ratrace | well yeah, you have dies="1" in your topology. |
| 09:02.37 | ratrace | drumroll please...... thankyou. it IS bad pun tuesday after all. =) |
| 09:02.53 | Lope | So what you reckon? <cpu mode='host-model' check='partial'><topology sockets='1' dies='2' cores='6' threads='2'/></cpu> ? |
| 09:03.14 | ratrace | why.... what does the "dies" option do, vs "sockets"? |
| 09:04.20 | Lope | Okay this is much more sane! Virt manager produced this: |
| 09:04.21 | Lope | <vcpu placement='static'>12</vcpu><cpu mode='host-model' check='partial'><topology sockets='2' dies='1' cores='3' threads='2'/></cpu> |
| 09:04.25 | Lope | So I'll change it to? |
| 09:04.30 | Lope | <vcpu placement='static'>12</vcpu><cpu mode='host-model' check='partial'><topology sockets='1' dies='2' cores='3' threads='2'/></cpu> |
| 09:04.43 | Lope | Dies is like sockets, but less latency |
| 09:04.44 | Lope | I guess |
| 09:04.45 | ratrace | no.... whyyy... don't alter random numbers if you don't understand them |
| 09:04.54 | Lope | Cos they're "Glued together" according to Intel. |
| 09:04.59 | ratrace | just use the UI, set the topology you want and let it create the config |
| 09:05.13 | Lope | haha, but it is 2 dies? |
| 09:05.14 | ratrace | if you want to give it 6 cores, 2t each, then that's what you do. |
| 09:05.31 | ratrace | what's the purpose of that VM anyway? |
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| 09:06.24 | Lope | YES! |
| 09:06.29 | Lope | Sockets 1, virtual processors 12 |
| 09:06.34 | Lope | the VM booted at light speed BTW! |
| 09:06.50 | Lope | It's for a client |
| 09:06.51 | ratrace | Lope: if you're aiming for performance, you're doing it wrong btw |
| 09:07.00 | Lope | U reckon? |
| 09:07.06 | ratrace | yes. for performance, you want to isolate the cpus from the host scheduler |
| 09:07.44 | ratrace | using isolcpus kernel option on the host, you designate, SAY for example, cores 2,3,4 for the VM, and leave 0,1 for the host. or whatever combo. |
| 09:08.23 | ratrace | and most certainly don't count HT as a core |
| 09:09.47 | ratrace | that part is a bit counterintuitive because some workloads benefit from more cores even if they're shared with the host. but as a general rule of thumb you want to reduce context switches and collisions with host scheduling as much as possible. |
| 09:11.47 | ratrace | that's why I asked what's teh purpose of the VM, because bruteforcing core count may or may not be what you want. |
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| 09:17.54 | Lope | ratrace, thanks bro. Yeah, I've heard of this stuff before. |
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| 09:18.13 | Lope | However in this case, at the moment it's a dedi with literally only ZFS and this VM on it. |
| 09:18.22 | Lope | So yolo. Good enough for now :) |
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| 09:27.43 | ratrace | Lope: oof, wait. careful with zfs and VMs. |
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| 09:28.26 | ratrace | Lope: may happen that the VM won't start because ARC is full and not yielding. actually, _will_ happen if ARC is large enough so you don't have "unused" RAM or pagecached, for the VM |
| 09:28.48 | ratrace | Lope: if that happens... either drop ARC, permanently rduce it, or reserve RAM for VMs via hugepages |
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| 09:29.46 | ratrace | especially if you're on zfs 2.0.3 on debian from bullseye or buster backports, 2.x.x has much higer ARC pressure now and can easily lead to oom if other processes want "teh rams" |
| 09:30.17 | ratrace | it's a certainty with VMs. the kernel wants large amount reserved in one go and fails because ARC doesn't yield |
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| 09:33.30 | Lope | it's okay bro, I've limited the ARC size to 10G, and set 42 1G hugepages for the VM |
| 09:33.34 | Lope | So they can't conflict |
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| 09:35.07 | Lope | Yeah I limit ARC on _ALL_ my systems |
| 09:35.14 | Lope | I've had ARC eat all the RAM before... it's not fun. |
| 09:35.45 | ratrace | very good :) |
| 09:36.17 | ratrace | I love ZFS but that thing is terrible on any system not dedicated to ZFS storage. |
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| 09:47.16 | Lope | yeah, it's insane that by default it'll eat half the RAM. |
| 09:47.37 | Lope | By default I reckon it should be limited to 200MiB of RAM, and then you must change the limit. |
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| 09:54.54 | ratrace | ZFS is an expert tool. Any default is meaningless as the operator should be expected to understand it. |
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| 10:24.26 | ahub | Hi, I setup my first debian box, and it's actually an old laptop. I found the setting to prevent the sleep on lid close. But now it goes in sleep mode after a while, and I didn't find what/why is doing it. |
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| 10:29.00 | ratrace | ahub: either your desktop environment's power options, or screen saver, or logind (see /etc/systemd/logind.conf) |
| 10:29.47 | ratrace | it's possible I'm missing another mechanism, but the above ones are vast majority of them |
| 10:33.10 | ahub | ratrace: thanks. I disabled gdm.service to try to get rid of the behaviour. No success yet. My goal is to use it as a headless server anyway. |
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| 10:36.23 | ratrace | ahub: gdm.service .... that's a DM .. if you disabled it, how do you log in? |
| 10:36.41 | ratrace | oh headless server... then what's gnome doing on a headless server.... |
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| 10:37.32 | ahub | I like to have a fallback if I break something and can't reach it through networked means |
| 10:37.45 | ratrace | then you shouldn't disable gdm |
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| 10:38.34 | ratrace | ahub: so first things first: did you check gnome's power options to disable close on lid and going to suspend on idle? |
| 10:38.47 | ahub | ratrace: first thing I did |
| 10:39.30 | ahub | I found out that HandleLidClose=ignore in logind.conf was producing the behaviour I wanted so I kept that. |
| 10:39.41 | ratrace | ahub: then check your bios, maybe there's an option that does acpi suspend when you close the lid |
| 10:39.59 | ratrace | ahub: ah so logind.conf solved it? |
| 10:40.31 | ahub | For the lid yes. Now I'm trying IdleAction=Ignore to prevent the "sleepmode-after-a-while" behaviour. |
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| 11:01.02 | jelly | is it on AC power all the time? |
| 11:02.17 | ahub | jelly: it is |
| 11:02.40 | ahub | The battery is just the poor man's UPS system I need |
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| 11:07.12 | ratrace | the only problem I have with using laptops in server roles (for important data storage or processing before storage), is lack of ECC |
| 11:10.39 | ahub | Dammit, it went to sleep again ! |
| 11:10.57 | ahub | So the "after-a-while" seems to be ~30" |
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| 11:12.07 | flrnd | and the fact that most laptops heat mitigation design sucks balls, and any semi-intensive workload would end with some internal fried on the long run |
| 11:12.27 | slawuta | Hi, does Debian Bullseye support installation with full disk encryption / LUKS2 ? It seems to me like it does not. |
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| 11:16.15 | ratrace | omarek: if it's the same installer as in buster, and I believe it is, then yes. otherwise: |
| 11:16.18 | ratrace | !debian-next |
| 11:16.18 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 11:21.12 | omarek | ratrace: Going through the dialog boxes in bullseye installer gives me an impression it tries to set up encrypted LVM volumes, and I don't want LVM unless necessary. |
| 11:21.40 | omarek | I found a guide which talks about converting a disk to a fully encrypted one, but there's a number of steps after installation https://cryptsetup-team.pages.debian.net/cryptsetup/encrypted-boot.html |
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| 11:22.56 | omarek | ratrace: Hard to say if it's the same installer as in buster. I upgraded to buster. There's no convenient way to compare the installer unless I prepare 2 boot USB's. |
| 11:23.42 | ratrace | omarek: it does LVM atop of LUKS yes. If that's not suitable, you'll have to do manual partitioning. It _is_ possible to set up manual partitions without LVM. |
| 11:24.10 | omarek | ratrace: Is the guide up to date - does GRUB not support LUKS2 ? |
| 11:24.41 | omarek | Note the version 2. |
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| 11:26.15 | ratrace | it does |
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| 11:30.13 | omarek | Does the installer set up encrypted /boot directory too? |
| 11:33.13 | ratrace | I don't recall, sorry. |
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| 11:36.06 | qman__ | the "normal" way to do it is with unencrypted /boot, a big LUKS partition, with LVM on it, so you can have multiple volumes inside that large encrypted partition |
| 11:36.17 | qman__ | I'm not familiar with bullseye so I don't know what's new |
| 11:36.21 | rk4 | last time i used the debian installer it was a plaintext /boot |
| 11:36.34 | rk4 | which is fine enough |
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| 11:37.22 | qman__ | I've done many systems this way, debian and not |
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| 11:41.30 | ratrace | it's always possible to set it up yourself, if you want encrypted /boot and the installer doesn't do it |
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| 11:51.37 | omarek | Ubuntu guides recommend 20,30,40 GB for the root (/) partition. I'll be using a separate /var partition. Databases go into /var which can come up in development. |
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| 11:52.01 | omarek | How about 10GB '/' partition and 20GB '/var' partition? |
| 11:52.16 | ratrace | omarek: if you don't have to, don't mount entire /var , rather do submounts for databases, eg /var/lib/postgresql ... |
| 11:52.32 | ratrace | omarek: and see, at this point, if you had LVM, you wouldn't need to worry about relative sizes |
| 11:53.07 | omarek | Phew, it looks like I need to do more reading. |
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| 11:53.44 | oxek | or btrfs subvolumes |
| 11:53.53 | qman__ | 10GB can get tight; and yes, if you use LVM, it's not a problem, because you can leave extra unallocated space and allocate it later |
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| 11:54.21 | omarek | oxek: I looked into btrfs, and it looks like the biggest advantages only come up if you set up RAID. Auto-correction for example. |
| 11:54.43 | oxek | it's still cow & has checksumming |
| 11:54.52 | omarek | And even in 2020, there are multiple anecdotes of btrfs failures. |
| 11:55.23 | oxek | omarek: link them to me, I'm thinking of deploying btrfs and am looking for reasons not to |
| 11:55.33 | oxek | I'm not gonna do RAID5/6 anyway, so I don't worry about that write hole |
| 11:55.34 | omarek | oxek: how does copy on write benefit me? |
| 11:56.07 | omarek | I ask because most btrfs articles go straight into advanced enterprise features I don't need. |
| 11:56.38 | ratrace | omarek: it's a pooled fs so you don't have to manage sizes for individual submounts at all |
| 11:57.20 | ratrace | one problem with btrfs is that the debian installer doesn't support it automatically, so you have to set it up manually |
| 11:57.24 | qman__ | personally, I would not use btrfs - zfs is better, older, and safer, and has great linux support now, the only downside is it's not GPL |
| 11:58.06 | ratrace | zfs on machines with roles other than zfs storage can often be problematic, collisions of ARC and pagecache |
| 11:58.06 | omarek | oxek: It's the comment thread at Hacker News. It could be that all those people carelessly used --repair, I don't know. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22159204 |
| 11:58.17 | qman__ | that's easily configurable |
| 11:59.09 | ratrace | I use both btrfs and zfs, atop of luks, in various roles. always RAID. I couldn't imagine running anything else these days, in situations where data mattered. |
| 12:00.13 | omarek | There they discuss various issues like having to mount an empty pendrive to delete files on a near full btrfs volume... |
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| 12:00.48 | ratrace | (nearly) full btrfs volumes are problematic, yes. |
| 12:01.02 | ratrace | make sure it never gets filled up like that :) |
| 12:01.10 | qman__ | so are zfs and xfs and pretty much any other filesystem |
| 12:01.17 | qman__ | don't fill up your filesystem |
| 12:01.18 | omarek | I like btrfs in principle, but I'm led to belive the tooling is not super mature yet. |
| 12:01.51 | qman__ | I've run into lots of nightmare scenarios with xfs, and I won't use it |
| 12:01.54 | omarek | qman__: Except it's counter-intuitive that on a near-full btrfs you may be unable to... delete files to free space. |
| 12:01.55 | ratrace | qman__: yeah but on other fs'es you can delete to make room. btrfs ..... goes belly up, unable to delete, in some situations |
| 12:03.40 | qman__ | from crashes losing the entire filesystem, to expanding large volumes not working, etc. |
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| 12:05.20 | omarek | Crashes especially worry me. I live in Coaland. Aging power infrastructure, power prices going up. |
| 12:05.37 | qman__ | if I have data that I care about, such as on a file server, I use zfs, otherwise I stick with ext4 |
| 12:05.47 | omarek | I could buy a UPS device, but I have enough boxes as it is. |
| 12:05.59 | qman__ | all of my systems are on UPS |
| 12:06.14 | qman__ | it's 100% worth it |
| 12:06.17 | omarek | I'm definitely going to set up some rsync scripts to make backup regularly. |
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| 12:06.31 | oxek | on a file server, that does nothing else, give it minimum 32GB ECC RAM and put ZFS on it - that's of course best. |
| 12:06.42 | qman__ | I used to have to replace power supplies regularly, until I put everything on UPS |
| 12:06.48 | qman__ | now they last 10+ years |
| 12:07.02 | omarek | I do use 32 GB ECC RAM in my work from home / gaming machine. |
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| 12:07.18 | ratrace | ECC ftw |
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| 12:07.42 | omarek | qman__: Why don't they make power supplies integrated with UPS, then? |
| 12:07.47 | oxek | if only AMD fixed their ECC support so that errors are actually reported |
| 12:07.59 | qman__ | because there's no room for lead-acid batteries in power supply form factors |
| 12:09.29 | omarek | The only thing I care about is a few minutes to shut down cleanly. |
| 12:09.50 | omarek | A minute would probably be enough. |
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| 12:10.31 | qman__ | it's always better to go oversize, the batteries last longer (durability, not runtime, although runtime is also the case) |
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| 12:13.20 | qman__ | I have several APC SmartUPS 1400/1500 towers, all very old, purchased used around $150 per unit, a set of batteries lasts about 3 years and costs about $100 |
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| 12:14.35 | qman__ | depending on what gear you have specifically, each one can run 3-5 systems, they do about 900W |
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| 12:56.58 | IamTrying | Guys, How do i mine ETH coin with my 6 x NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 graphics card? Is there already package available for miners? |
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| 13:04.45 | ratrace | IamTrying: so you're one of those clowns that got all the rtx30 gpus so I now can't buy any for decent price, for gaming |
| 13:06.14 | IamTrying | ratrace: yes, i bought like 30 to 40 of them. and this is my motherboard https://i.imgur.com/vCLngtS.png |
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| 13:09.12 | TheBigK02 | i kinda want to upgrade GPU as well... but 1070... isnt terrible yet i feel... even the balance is not there paired with a 3900x... but... i usually play csgo anyways... thats cpu bottlenecked anyways :D |
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| 13:13.56 | oxek | why do people buy GPUs to mine coins, instead of buying an ASIC? Would it be cheaper to get the ASIC, while also providing better performance? |
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| 13:21.10 | ratrace | oxek: as I recently learned, because they can't sell them after their jokecoin becomes too expensive to mine |
| 13:21.46 | oxek | yeah, that's a good point |
| 13:21.52 | oxek | can always sell a used GPU |
| 13:21.54 | ratrace | or you can't switch them to another algorithm when jokecoin goes bust and someone comes up with a new bowwowcoinjokeclownthing |
| 13:22.33 | ratrace | hope their power plants go into overvoltage, their dogejokes get stolen and nobody buys their gpus because we all switched to radeon |
| 13:22.42 | TheBigK02 | do ASICs exist for etherium ? |
| 13:23.04 | TheBigK02 | i thought its different for etherium cause u can use those coins to compute stuff? |
| 13:23.18 | TheBigK02 | may be im wrong... im complete blockchain noob :D |
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| 13:27.06 | shad1 | Hi, im on debian buster on my dell XPS15, half of the time i plug in the HDMI cable the whole computer freezes. I suspect it has to do with graphics drivers. I was able to install nvidia-detect, which says i should install nvidia-drivers, but when i run "apt install nvidia-driver" it says most of the stuff is uninstallable or not installed. Any idea what i can do ? |
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| 13:35.27 | shad1 | https://justpaste.it/5zlc5 here's what happens when I try to install nvidia-drivers |
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| 13:37.06 | ratrace | shad1: have you forgotten to enable the non-free repo? |
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| 13:37.49 | shad1 | No i have them; `deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main non-free` |
| 13:37.59 | oxek | missing contrib |
| 13:38.01 | shad1 | i woudln't have been able to install nvidia-detect otherwise |
| 13:38.05 | ratrace | shad1: did you run `apt update` after adding non-free? |
| 13:38.12 | ratrace | and yes, contrib is missing |
| 13:39.16 | ratrace | also, I'd recommend installing the drivers from buster-backports repo, the 460.39 version. 418 in Stable is known to have some issues |
| 13:39.48 | shad1 | thanks a lot guys it looks like contrib was the culprit |
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| 13:46.59 | isapgswell | hi |
| 13:47.15 | isapgswell | why my keyboard has been detected as slave pointer?? |
| 13:47.17 | isapgswell | Gaming KB Gaming KB Consumer Control id=19[slave pointer (2)] |
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| 13:48.36 | oxek | I feel like your keyboard is gonna get cancelled |
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| 13:52.53 | isapgswell | oxek what about? |
| 13:54.41 | oxek | isapgswell: what's the actual issue you're having? |
| 13:55.12 | isapgswell | oxek input lag |
| 13:55.26 | oxek | is it a wireless keyboard? |
| 13:56.05 | isapgswell | oxek wired keyboard and mouse |
| 13:56.20 | isapgswell | oxek dual mouse and dual keyboard |
| 13:56.23 | ratrace | isapgswell: what kind of lag, how big, in what context? |
| 13:57.04 | isapgswell | ratrace i play cs go on notebook with external usb mouse and keyboard |
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| 13:57.47 | isapgswell | ratrace i think it is conflicting between internal notebook touchpad and keyboard |
| 13:57.49 | ratrace | isapgswell: what notebook, which gpu, which drivers are you using? |
| 13:58.12 | isapgswell | ratrace Dell G7 7588, nvidia 1060 driver 460.67 |
| 13:59.01 | ratrace | isapgswell: do you have that lag when you play cs:go in offline mode? |
| 13:59.17 | isapgswell | ratrace yes |
| 14:00.02 | isapgswell | ratrace i tried disabling fstrim thinking could be ssd lag |
| 14:00.15 | ratrace | isapgswell: you sure you're using the nvidia driver? what about overall framerate? |
| 14:00.16 | isapgswell | ratrace but nothing |
| 14:00.34 | isapgswell | ratrace nvidia is above 100fps |
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| 14:00.41 | isapgswell | ratrace csgo |
| 14:00.58 | isapgswell | ratrace nvidia performance profile |
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| 14:01.22 | flrnd | ssd lag? fstrim just run once in a week and most of the times at boot time |
| 14:02.16 | isapgswell | flrnd i tested to be assertive |
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| 14:02.27 | ratrace | isapgswell: I ask all these question because wired (usb) mouse lag is very unusual on linux. usually the lags are artifacts of bad rendering performance, or bugs under wayland... whichm now that I mention, are you running cs.go under gnome? |
| 14:02.30 | flrnd | another thing, does the keyboard suffer from input lag ONLY in CSGO? because I don't see the connection here. The keyboard either have input lag or dont, not only in a game |
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| 14:03.02 | busternube | hi |
| 14:03.06 | flrnd | if the problem is from the drivers, you'd have input lag everywhere, not only in game |
| 14:03.11 | busternube | nube questions |
| 14:03.11 | ratrace | indeed |
| 14:03.30 | isapgswell | flrnd yes, i note lag outside gaming |
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| 14:05.18 | flrnd | then your best bet is do some research with your hardware/keyboard and find reported bugs with kernel/drivers. |
| 14:05.25 | TRS-80 | Good morning, fellow wizards! |
| 14:05.43 | oxek | ratrace: I get wired mouse lag whenever my disks are writing a lot |
| 14:05.45 | flrnd | or either try the kernel from backports |
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| 14:05.57 | ratrace | oxek: that's likely rendering lag |
| 14:05.57 | TRS-80 | Is there any way to disable IPv6 in Debian installer? |
| 14:06.01 | busternube | installed buster netinstall , i use an old kvm switch so the monitor is not detected. i read i have to genrate modelines and use xandr and stuff but its 2021 shouldnt i just be able to select the rez i want the thing to put out from a list? |
| 14:06.23 | isapgswell | ratrace yes |
| 14:06.37 | ratrace | isapgswell: yes what= |
| 14:06.37 | oxek | ratrace: maybe. I just learned to live with it for now, since I don't know how to fix it. I've been told to experiment with schedulers, etc. but I'm not comfortable with that yet. |
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| 14:06.59 | TRS-80 | busternube: My experience has been that there is a lot of outdated info on Internet like you are talking about (xrandr, etc.) but most of time it should "just work" nowadays. |
| 14:06.59 | flrnd | those wired mouse lags are for I/O bottlenecks |
| 14:07.04 | flrnd | from* |
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| 14:07.13 | isapgswell | ratrace yes that's likely rendering lag |
| 14:07.17 | ratrace | oxek: but other things lag too then, keypresses, or any actions, windows opening, moving, rendering, ... |
| 14:07.20 | isapgswell | ratrace maybe |
| 14:08.02 | isapgswell | ratrace the big problem is that my intel has no conection to hdmi |
| 14:08.07 | oxek | ratrace: no, only mouse, typing is fine and so is playing a video and sound |
| 14:08.38 | ratrace | isapgswell: what intel, you said you had nvidia |
| 14:08.43 | busternube | trs-80 the problem is the monitor detect software is blocked from dtecting the monitor but i should be able to tell the gpu what mode to use. it sohuld be here within mouse click |
| 14:08.52 | ratrace | oxek: wayland? |
| 14:08.56 | isapgswell | ratrace i talked to aaronp from #nvidia and he said it is DDC conflict |
| 14:09.23 | oxek | ratrace: xorg |
| 14:09.24 | busternube | do i need mfgr driver to be updated |
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| 14:09.38 | busternube | its onboard gpu |
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| 14:10.22 | ratrace | busternube: get a new kvm switch, they're like .... 10 euros or less on the cheapest end |
| 14:10.52 | busternube | its a 16 port server switch |
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| 14:11.47 | isapgswell | ratrace it could be libinput |
| 14:12.07 | busternube | is there a rez switcher app i can install |
| 14:12.30 | isapgswell | oxek when i use evdev is less laggy |
| 14:13.03 | oxek | I can easily reproduce it by `sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1M count=10000`. The lag starts happening after a few seconds and only stops once it is done. |
| 14:13.17 | oxek | it's even worse then it is a lot of random reads or writes |
| 14:13.42 | oxek | the CPU utilization is close to nothing |
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| 14:14.10 | oxek | so it's gonna be one of those weird linux corner cases that requires a kernel expert on site to debug it |
| 14:14.18 | ratrace | oxek: 4.19+ kernel? I remember those on 4.9 and earlier. |
| 14:14.27 | oxek | 4.19 yeah |
| 14:14.56 | ratrace | 4.9 and before, dd-ing an ISO would slag the otherwise beefy machine with bs=1M |
| 14:14.58 | oxek | I intend to learn about schedulers and the various profiles for harddrives, and test if that makes it better |
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| 14:15.21 | flrnd | can't you use other kernel? |
| 14:15.42 | oxek | I could try the 5.10 kernel from backports, but am still afraid it's gonna mess up this working machine |
| 14:15.55 | flrnd | just don't delete the 4.19 |
| 14:16.01 | flrnd | delete/uninstall |
| 14:16.29 | oxek | oh I know how to restore and handle that, I just don't know what I'd do with silent data corruption bugs due to the newer kernel |
| 14:16.31 | flrnd | btw, I don't understand why some distros uninstall older kernel versions after an upgrade. |
| 14:16.47 | oxek | flrnd: debian keeps latest 3 I think |
| 14:17.04 | flrnd | yeah Debian does |
| 14:17.14 | flrnd | (thankfully) |
| 14:17.20 | flrnd | oxek: what data corruption? |
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| 14:18.02 | oxek | flrnd: silent one :) Realistically I don't yet trust 5.10. Give it a few updates and it will be fine. |
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| 14:18.20 | oxek | let others be the guinea pigs |
| 14:18.33 | flrnd | I'm using the 5.10 on 2 machines at home and haven't experienced anything out of extraordinary |
| 14:19.00 | flrnd | oxek: well, yeah, no hurry anyway if it works right now |
| 14:19.10 | oxek | I'm sure it's fine for 99.9+% of users. I'm just one of those unlucky ones that often run into weird cases that should not be possible. |
| 14:19.11 | ratrace | oxek: it's fine now. data eating bugs were found adn fixed pre .10 point release :) |
| 14:19.17 | ratrace | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 14:19.18 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u7; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u9; buster-security: 4.19+105+deb10u9; buster-proposed-updates: 4.19+105+deb10u11; buster-backports: 5.10.13-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.10.19-1; sid: 5.10.24-1 |
| 14:19.29 | ratrace | .13 is safe. .19 even safer |
| 14:19.41 | oxek | .24 has even more fixes |
| 14:19.48 | oxek | so I'll just be patient |
| 14:19.53 | ratrace | but as a general rule of thumb, indeed, don't touch major releases that are younger than 10-15 point releases |
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| 14:20.30 | ratrace | 4.19 had mq corruption bug. 4.14 or 4.19 had ext4 corruption bugs |
| 14:20.53 | ratrace | 5.10 had ext4 "mmmmh data yum-yum!" eating disorder... |
| 14:21.14 | oxek | lol |
| 14:22.24 | IamTrying | TheBigK02, ratrace, oxek: ASIC price is becoming 80,000 USD / 1 pcs. which is why i have bought like 50,000 USD GPU cards only. |
| 14:23.06 | busternube | seems like 720p isnt too much to ask from a default resolution list for us noobs |
| 14:23.31 | oxek | IamTrying: gotta have money to make money I guess |
| 14:24.06 | zoug | hello, I have added a second harddrive to my machine, I initially set it up to have an encrypted filesystem. Is it possible to setup this new drive as RAID1 without having to redo the setup? If so, do I need to recreate the same filesystems, and encrypt them the same way before enabling RAID1? I am not finding any info for this (admittedly weird) |
| 14:24.07 | zoug | setup. If you guys can help me... thanks a lot! |
| 14:24.09 | IamTrying | correct. since ASIC came, the price has no limit anymore. and people have mad like money. once it is release. all get out of stock. oxek |
| 14:24.59 | ratrace | IamTrying: like I said before. I hope your power plant goes into voltage overdrive, your coins get stolen, and nobody buys your GPUs because we've all moved to radeon. |
| 14:25.29 | IamTrying | oxek: China is playing this out of stock game. no body has stock anymore. therefore GPU is the best way. And linux. Also they customised linux and selling as mining os. Instead of telling king of linux names: CentOS, Ubuntu, Fedora. They are selling now own linux. China |
| 14:25.44 | oxek | don't worry, bitcoin will crash in 2140 because no more can be mined and hence miners can get any more money |
| 14:25.56 | oxek | *can't |
| 14:26.19 | ratrace | oxek: it'll only go up then. supply and demand; with supply effectively gone. |
| 14:26.37 | IamTrying | lol ratrace. i have a industry size mining space will consume 40K watt |
| 14:26.39 | oxek | but you can't even make on-chain transactions anymore at that point |
| 14:27.06 | ratrace | IamTrying: sned me one of those for nvidia's MSRP + shipping |
| 14:27.19 | oxek | IamTrying: well, I hope you're at least donating some of that to debian |
| 14:28.02 | oxek | ratrace: you'd seriously want an nvidia GPU? |
| 14:28.12 | ratrace | oxek: would convert toa nother crypto currency. that's the thing with blockchain and cryptocurrencies. unique and impossible to faux |
| 14:28.16 | zoug | hello, I have added a second harddrive to my machine, I initially set it up to have an encrypted filesystem. Is it possible to setup this new drive as RAID1 without having to redo the setup? If so, do I need to recreate the same filesystems, and encrypt them the same way before enabling RAID1? I am not finding any info for this (admittedly weird) |
| 14:28.18 | zoug | setup. If you guys can help me... thanks a lot! |
| 14:28.21 | ratrace | oxek: rtx3090? YESSIRE |
| 14:28.44 | ratrace | I wanted 3060ti but those are out of stock as well. ENTIRE FRIGGIN RX30 line is "oot!" |
| 14:28.49 | IamTrying | ratrace: i bought 30 of them. cant sell |
| 14:28.56 | ratrace | so much so that nvidia resurrected 1650! 1650!!!! |
| 14:28.59 | oxek | ratrace: but it's nvidia... and "f*ck nvidia" is the linux motto |
| 14:29.06 | ratrace | IamTrying: just one, you'll have 29 still |
| 14:29.10 | blackop | hi |
| 14:29.38 | ratrace | oxek: yes, but! GAMING >> POLI-TICKING |
| 14:29.43 | zoug | ratrace oxek IamTrying if you guys could take this over somewhere else since it has nothing to do with debian and it floods the channel... debhelper |
| 14:29.55 | IamTrying | sorry zoug |
| 14:30.29 | oxek | zoug: I did suggest to make a donation to debian, which is related to this channel. |
| 14:30.45 | ratrace | well the question was about mining softare on debian so it's kinda ontopic |
| 14:31.02 | ratrace | but yeah... 'nuff with chit chat :) |
| 14:31.26 | blackop | i am trying to build bootable debian10 usb stick but i think i am failing |
| 14:31.45 | oxek | blackop: have you tried debootstick? |
| 14:31.46 | blackop | i will try to install on a very old laptop so it doesnt recognise usb stick as bootable in bios |
| 14:31.57 | blackop | oxek: i am trying on rufus |
| 14:32.02 | blackop | isnt that good option? |
| 14:32.10 | oxek | wouldn't know, that's a win app |
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| 14:32.29 | flrnd | zoug: have you followed what steps do you need to create a raid1 setup? |
| 14:32.32 | blackop | i am on win atm |
| 14:32.40 | oxek | blackop: what's the end goal here anyway? |
| 14:32.49 | oxek | install debian onto the old laptop? |
| 14:32.55 | blackop | yep |
| 14:33.10 | blackop | it has debian 9.13 currently running |
| 14:33.20 | blackop | but i wanna install debian 10 if i can |
| 14:33.32 | blackop | i dont remember how i booted debian 9.13 as well.. |
| 14:33.36 | blackop | via usb stick or cdrom |
| 14:33.37 | oxek | hmm. That should be easy, you just flash the .iso onto the USB stick, there's a nice app for that, one moment |
| 14:33.51 | oxek | win32diskimager |
| 14:33.52 | blackop | actually this one doesnt have cdrom |
| 14:34.13 | blackop | oxek: does it work like rufus? |
| 14:34.19 | blackop | create bootable usb? |
| 14:34.32 | oxek | blackop: if I remember correctly, rufus tries to unpack the iso and adds their own bootloader, which can mess things up |
| 14:34.46 | oxek | whereas win32diskimager just writes the .iso as is onto the usb stick |
| 14:34.49 | oxek | which is what you want |
| 14:34.59 | blackop | well i always use rufus but sometimes it is causing such problems |
| 14:35.09 | blackop | ok then let me try it |
| 14:35.10 | blackop | thanks |
| 14:35.17 | flrnd | blackop: that old laptop, you say it has debian 9? |
| 14:35.17 | ratrace | I think all that's moot if "very old laptop that doesn't boot from usb" |
| 14:35.19 | oxek | maybe rufus has a function to write the .iso as is, but I don't have windows to test |
| 14:36.01 | blackop | rufus has partition scheme : mbr or gpt |
| 14:36.21 | oxek | ratrace: people call 10 year old laptops "very old"... I'm still running a 13 year old laptop just fine. |
| 14:36.23 | blackop | and target system: bios or uefi |
| 14:36.28 | flrnd | also, I'm confused as ratrace stated. Old laptop dont have USB. Trying to create bootable USB... is this hiden camera? :P |
| 14:36.37 | oxek | blackop: yeah, that sounds like rufus is trying to mess with the iso |
| 14:36.50 | blackop | oxek: i am talking about 20 years old ibm thinkpad x20 :p |
| 14:36.58 | oxek | nevermind then :D |
| 14:37.08 | blackop | 2000 model :p |
| 14:37.21 | flrnd | blackop: the question at hand. What working operative system does that laptop has? |
| 14:37.22 | blackop | i have another one T23 which is running debian 10 fine |
| 14:37.40 | oxek | blackop: why even try to put debian on that system? Just donate it to some school or scrapyard. |
| 14:37.41 | blackop | flrnd: currently it is running win98+debian 9.13 dual boot |
| 14:37.46 | flrnd | then |
| 14:37.46 | blackop | connecting net fine, |
| 14:37.49 | n4dir | you probably want to install from a CD then. |
| 14:37.55 | flrnd | boot debian, edit source.list and dist upgrade |
| 14:37.56 | blackop | i just want to upgrade to debian 10 |
| 14:37.59 | ratrace | remember BIOSes that didn't have USB boot as option? pepperidge farm remembers. :) |
| 14:38.12 | blackop | it doesnt have cdrom.. |
| 14:38.30 | ratrace | floppy then? |
| 14:38.31 | n4dir | well, if it doesn't boot from USB and it has no CD ... |
| 14:38.36 | flrnd | but why are we talking about cdroms and usb? Boot debian and just dist-ugprade |
| 14:38.46 | blackop | ratrace: i dont remember how i installed debian 9.13.. |
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| 14:39.04 | blackop | i have external sata usb cd/dvd rom |
| 14:39.07 | blackop | and usb floppy |
| 14:39.24 | blackop | i think it can boot from usb flash |
| 14:39.47 | ratrace | check it, then. BIOSes that old didn't have USB boot option |
| 14:40.18 | ratrace | last computer I remember that couldn't boot off of USB I replaced in 2009, so back then it was ~10 years old |
| 14:40.21 | blackop | machine is this by the way: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X20 |
| 14:40.26 | flrnd | I don't follow why waste time in doing the bootable thing when it already has debian installed |
| 14:40.37 | flrnd | :shrugs: |
| 14:40.52 | n4dir | mainly because that is what he asked for |
| 14:40.55 | ratrace | oh I missed that part, I understood there's windows installed? |
| 14:41.08 | flrnd | yeah, but what he asked and what he really needs don't concur |
| 14:41.21 | n4dir | it is not me to decide that |
| 14:41.56 | n4dir | if it was i'd say: what he really needs is more recent hardware. Not much fun with a 20 year old device |
| 14:42.12 | flrnd | well, sometimes a good advice is not what people expect. He may save a lot of time and frustration just learning how to edit a file and do a system upgrade |
| 14:42.42 | blackop | who said that i need? |
| 14:42.45 | blackop | i said i want :p |
| 14:42.53 | n4dir | we can talk back and forth, but he will have to say himself what he wants. |
| 14:42.57 | blackop | i have more recent hardware already |
| 14:43.07 | blackop | vintage is just for fun |
| 14:43.29 | ratrace | note also that such old hardware would probably be difficult if not impossible to run with new software, even 32-bit only. |
| 14:43.52 | n4dir | i never had problems running actual software with old machines. |
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| 14:44.36 | ratrace | well what I mean is... for example, if you want to browse the net, that's gonna be very difficult, maybe impossible due to minimum instruction requirements of browsers, let alone memory and cpu expectations of "teh modern web 3.0" |
| 14:45.06 | flrnd | blackop: if you have debian already installed. Boot that Debian. and follow this: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 14:45.20 | n4dir | yeah, that will be hard, a modern web-browser. Depends on the specs, but i don't expect much with a 20 year old device |
| 14:45.21 | blackop | ratrace: i generally use irssi on old machines and chat here |
| 14:45.24 | blackop | for fun* |
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| 14:45.42 | n4dir | irssi should work no matter the specs. :-) |
| 14:45.42 | oxek | you're gonna get so much more fun out of a 30USD SBC (single-board-computer) than on a 20 year hardware |
| 14:45.45 | blackop | flrnd: upgrade can fail.. |
| 14:45.48 | blackop | i may try it |
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| 14:45.59 | n4dir | why not just stick to version 9? |
| 14:46.16 | blackop | i am having some issues on that |
| 14:46.24 | n4dir | ah, i see |
| 14:46.24 | blackop | 1- disconnects after 1 hr or so |
| 14:46.28 | flrnd | blackop: since it's for fun, if it fails (which I doubt) you can go route B) Boot from cd/usb/floppy |
| 14:46.37 | blackop | 2- when it is on standby mode it doesnt wake up |
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| 14:46.57 | blackop | flrnd: i would like to do route B in first hand if possible |
| 14:46.58 | n4dir | now i miss my stoneage machines which got stolen last summer, 3 of them. Down to 256 RAM ... |
| 14:47.12 | blackop | i just wanna see if i can boot to usb |
| 14:47.14 | flrnd | blackop: then, don't listen to me and go ahead :) |
| 14:47.20 | blackop | i dont wanna risk current 9.13 |
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| 14:47.26 | oxek | n4dir: stolen? No way. Who'd want to steal that? |
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| 14:47.43 | flrnd | blackop: the risk part is what I was missing ;) |
| 14:47.48 | n4dir | probably drug people. Would love to have seen their faces when they tried to sell it. lol |
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| 14:48.10 | n4dir | the zippo they left was more worth than those "laptops" |
| 14:48.37 | n4dir | thing is: if the upgrade doesn't work, you can still go for the install-new route, blackop . |
| 14:49.04 | n4dir | this way, that way, good luck |
| 14:49.21 | blackop | i will try |
| 14:49.43 | flrnd | with that hardware, I have my doubts that buster will solve the problems you mentioned |
| 14:49.59 | flrnd | but don't take this as gatekeeping, just food for thought |
| 14:51.03 | blackop | i just tried win32diskimager and no luck |
| 14:51.20 | oxek | you can always pull out the hdd and plug it into your main pc and then debootstrap debian onto it |
| 14:51.39 | flrnd | on an really old laptop... |
| 14:51.54 | oxek | blackop: sounds like you're doing this for fun and for a learning experience, so debootstrapping might be fun for you |
| 14:52.26 | blackop | hmm maybe i did that way oxek |
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| 14:52.49 | flrnd | blackop: does that laptop have floppy disk? you can create a dumb bootable floppy and use the USB iso |
| 14:53.20 | blackop | i mean probably i put the hdd in a more recent laptop and installed 9.13 there |
| 14:53.32 | blackop | flrnd: nope. it is 12" laptop |
| 14:53.35 | blackop | no cdrom no floppy |
| 14:53.46 | blackop | it has a broken dock but i didnt use it |
| 14:54.27 | oxek | just donate it to someone |
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| 14:54.53 | blackop | dock? |
| 14:55.01 | oxek | the whole thing |
| 14:55.32 | oxek | even the power consumption of that thing makes it nonfeasible for anything |
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| 14:56.22 | blackop | oxek: it is part of my collection, why would i donate :p |
| 14:56.33 | blackop | i just like to keep them |
| 14:56.51 | oxek | maybe practicing minimalism? |
| 14:57.03 | flrnd | or just get rid of junk :P |
| 14:57.05 | blackop | i play old dos/win games and just to connect internet/irssi i use linux |
| 14:57.28 | blackop | well i know it sounds nonsense collecting |
| 14:57.41 | blackop | sometimes i ask myself what am i doing with these old trash :p |
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| 14:57.45 | blackop | but it is a hobby |
| 14:57.49 | oxek | blackop: donate it to some developer that's working on emulators or virtual machines, maybe it will help them |
| 14:57.53 | flrnd | no, it's not, I have friends that like to keep old hardware and stuff. I was just messing with you |
| 14:57.56 | oxek | and then use those emulators to play the games |
| 14:57.57 | blackop | gives me nostalgia feeling |
| 14:58.18 | blackop | oxek: lol |
| 14:58.34 | blackop | why not lend developers to develop emulators and then take it back :p |
| 14:59.34 | flrnd | which model did you say was that IBM Thinkpad? |
| 15:00.21 | blackop | i have 8 :p |
| 15:00.35 | blackop | but the model i am talking about now is X20 |
| 15:00.37 | blackop | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X20 |
| 15:00.43 | blackop | first of X series |
| 15:02.22 | blackop | win32imager created 2mb EFI partition that i cant format :/ |
| 15:03.11 | flrnd | _ I installed Debian by temporarily moving the X20's hard disk to another computer._ |
| 15:03.16 | flrnd | https://www.neilvandyke.org/linux-thinkpad-x20/ |
| 15:03.29 | blackop | ok now i could delete |
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| 15:03.47 | blackop | flrnd: thanks. maybe i installed 9.13 that way also |
| 15:04.23 | flrnd | no cd, no floppy and no usb boot... well, it was that or *magic* |
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| 15:04.35 | blackop | :p |
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| 15:12.41 | TRS-80 | Is there any way to disable IPv6 in Debian installer? |
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| 15:20.07 | PsynoKhi0 | Hi, anyone familiar with Supermicro's IPMI java console? I can't make it usable in Buster with icedtea, the window becomes unresponsive whenever it resizes or loses focus |
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| 15:21.23 | TRS-80 | PsynoKhi0: It's probably some proprietary crap, and if so, good luck... |
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| 15:22.06 | TRS-80 | Is Debian Live a full installer? Or more like netinst? |
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| 15:26.54 | TRS-80 | OK, so installer that comes with Debian Live does not look like it will proceed without some sort of network connection... |
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| 15:28.54 | PsynoKhi0 | that's required for the repository setup stage AFAIK |
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| 15:34.36 | ratrace | TRS-80: disable_ipv6=1 maybe via grub's kernel command line options |
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| 15:39.41 | oxek | psiance: any chance you can use ipmitool? Fortunately the newer boards have html5 webinterface, maybe a bios update exists for your board? |
| 15:40.08 | oxek | oh sorr psiance didn't mean to tag you |
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| 15:54.02 | avernos | is there any convenient tool to do ssh -R to multiple servers behind a firewall ? |
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| 15:56.09 | tarzeau | avernos: there's that https://github.com/hackerschoice/gsocket i found today |
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| 16:00.51 | avernos | interesting, but i have no problem setting up a service instead. Was just hoping to find something less messy than ssh -r |
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| 16:08.16 | TRS-80 | ratrace: Yes, that did the trick, thank you very much. Press TAB to be able to enter that from Live / Installer GRUB menu (learned that in ##linux just now). |
| 16:08.40 | TRS-80 | Anyway, I seem to be able to get past DCHP now, so back to work. Cheers! |
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| 16:56.35 | blackop | bad news. debian 10 hanged on black screen on startup |
| 16:57.06 | jelly | avernos, what's the actual goal, just being able to connect to those servers? |
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| 17:01.58 | avernos | jelly, yes |
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| 17:37.41 | jhutchins | USB optical disk. |
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| 17:38.20 | jhutchins | Although just a flash drive should work if that works. |
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| 17:50.02 | blackop | isnt debian 10 compatible with this hardware? http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X20 |
| 17:50.30 | blackop | but debian 10 can boot to this hardware : http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T23 |
| 17:50.39 | blackop | they are both same era pentium III machines |
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| 17:52.35 | rudi_s | blackop: Any reason why you think it shouldn't? |
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| 17:53.40 | blackop | rudi_s: no idea |
| 17:55.17 | rudi_s | blackop: I haven't tested it but I would very much expect debian to work fine on this machine. |
| 17:55.37 | rudi_s | (Of course with limitations in regard to graphics due to the older hardware.) |
| 17:55.49 | blackop | rudi_s: i was expecting also it works but it doesnt boot |
| 17:56.05 | blackop | it hangs before login screen |
| 17:56.05 | rudi_s | blackop: Doesn't boot in what way? |
| 17:56.09 | blackop | on black |
| 17:56.17 | blackop | i dont know how to define |
| 17:56.35 | blackop | i choose debian on grub menu, it shows [OK] lines |
| 17:56.37 | rudi_s | blackop: Installer or running system? |
| 17:56.41 | blackop | then opens a black screen |
| 17:56.45 | blackop | running |
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| 17:57.00 | blackop | i installed it already on another machine because this one doesnt support usb boot |
| 17:57.21 | blackop | i took off hdd and put on another machine with usb boot support |
| 17:57.34 | blackop | after installation finished i put hdd back to X20 |
| 17:57.36 | rudi_s | blackop: Try removing the quiet from the kernel commandline. In GRUB press F10 and then natigate to "linux .." and drop the "quiet" if it's there. |
| 17:57.53 | blackop | as i said i can see grub menu, it loads hardware [OK] lines |
| 17:58.06 | rudi_s | This should at least get let you see what's going on during the boot. |
| 17:58.33 | blackop | you mean tty ? |
| 17:58.51 | rudi_s | What do you mean with "tty"? |
| 17:59.12 | blackop | command line |
| 17:59.15 | blackop | not DE |
| 18:00.25 | rudi_s | blackop: Well, yes. Command line is the first step. But to get to that you need to see what's going on during boot. Assuming you don't at the moment, you should "remove" from the kernel command line to get more information during boot. |
| 18:00.27 | blackop | ok i am on TTY2 |
| 18:00.37 | rudi_s | Oh, so the boot works but you don't get X? |
| 18:00.43 | blackop | probably |
| 18:00.44 | rudi_s | So you can login just fine. |
| 18:00.46 | rudi_s | ? |
| 18:00.49 | blackop | yes |
| 18:00.54 | rudi_s | Well, then ignore what I wrote. |
| 18:00.55 | blackop | i logged in tty2 at the moment |
| 18:01.09 | rudi_s | Then manually run startx and look at the error message. |
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| 18:01.51 | blackop | current version of pixman: 0.36.0 |
| 18:02.08 | blackop | (EE) Fatal server error: |
| 18:02.17 | blackop | (EE) no screens found |
| 18:02.39 | blackop | please consult the X.Org foundation support at http://wiki.x.org |
| 18:03.07 | blackop | please also check file at /var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information |
| 18:03.19 | blackop | server terminated with error (1). closing log file |
| 18:03.24 | blackop | xinit: giving up |
| 18:03.37 | blackop | xinit: unable to connect to X server : Connection refused |
| 18:03.43 | blackop | xinit: server error |
| 18:03.45 | blackop | that s it |
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| 18:06.17 | n4dir | you did install a desktop environment during installation? |
| 18:06.57 | blackop | n4dir: yes xfce |
| 18:07.15 | n4dir | if yes i would disable whichever display-manager is used right now. For xfce probably lightdm ? |
| 18:07.26 | blackop | yes probably lightdm |
| 18:07.56 | n4dir | systemctl disable lightdm; systemctl stop lightdm |
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| 18:08.11 | blackop | cant i login to DE on thix machine? |
| 18:08.20 | n4dir | try startx again, probably same error. Just more easy to troubleshoot if the display manager is out of the way |
| 18:08.59 | n4dir | then log a the log file, it should be in /home/username/.local/share/xorg or similar |
| 18:09.22 | n4dir | there should also be a file /home/username/.xsession-errors |
| 18:09.39 | n4dir | thats pretty much all i got to offer. good luck |
| 18:10.14 | blackop | too complicated |
| 18:10.26 | n4dir | well, last note: with all the stoneage hardware i ran into over the years, debian usually worked, if it didn't, the distribution antix was another good bet. Assuming you won't succeed |
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| 18:12.45 | blackop | n4dir: i disabled & stopped lightdm and startx same error |
| 18:13.15 | n4dir | you said you had debian 9 installed and that worked, right? |
| 18:13.40 | n4dir | anyway, check which graphics chipset you use, lspci | grep -i vga |
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| 18:14.24 | blackop | i see logs now |
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| 18:15.01 | blackop | (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/x11/cyrillik" does not exist |
| 18:15.07 | blackop | i dont need cyrilic fonts actually |
| 18:15.15 | blackop | Entry deleted from path |
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| 18:15.53 | blackop | (EE) Failed to load module "mach64" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 18:16.19 | blackop | (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory |
| 18:16.44 | blackop | (EE) open /dev/fb0: no such file or directory |
| 18:17.04 | blackop | (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section |
| 18:17.43 | blackop | (EE) Vesa(0): Specified fbbpp (24) is not a permitted value |
| 18:18.11 | blackop | (EE) screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration |
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| 18:20.48 | blackop | (EE) fatal server error |
| 18:20.52 | n4dir | i am not in graphics, works out of box for me, but if you search for "debian startx no screens found", quite some results will refer to the xorg.conf file (not not used anymore, per default). But, if not wrong, for that you will also need to know which graphics chip you use |
| 18:20.55 | blackop | (EE) no screens found |
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| 18:21.19 | n4dir | so that is what i would do (lspci | grep -i vga; then search the web for debian and that chip) |
| 18:21.53 | n4dir | or just wait here, many know such problems very well. |
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| 18:22.21 | blackop | AMD ATI Rage Mobility AGP 2x Series (rev 64) |
| 18:22.49 | blackop | game gpu was running on debian 9.13 |
| 18:22.52 | blackop | why not 10? |
| 18:22.56 | blackop | kernel changed a lot? |
| 18:24.09 | blackop | s/game/same |
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| 18:35.18 | lifostack | hi all, simple debian question here... some files returned in my ls listing have single quotes around them, other files dont, anyone know why that is? |
| 18:35.28 | lifostack | do the file names literally have single quotes in them? |
| 18:35.53 | lifostack | some directories have quotes around them too? |
| 18:35.58 | lifostack | oh is it because of spaces in the name? |
| 18:36.06 | petn-randall | lifostack: yes |
| 18:36.17 | lifostack | ok, sorry silly question |
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| 18:36.42 | petn-randall | lifostack: We also answer silly questions, as long as they're well formulated ;) |
| 18:37.06 | lifostack | but that actually brings up a second question... sometimes when i want to tab-autocomplete a file name for instance when i'm moving a file, i have no problem doing so even for files with spaces, but when i go to unzip or untar a file, i dont have that luxury |
| 18:37.22 | lifostack | is it that some cmds have the luxury/capability of auto complete while others dont? |
| 18:38.49 | petn-randall | lifostack: That's quite possible. Autocomplete depends on your shell, and programs can ship hints for your shell, so you can also autocomplete parameters for some programs. |
| 18:40.32 | lifostack | petn-randall, whats the proper format now? i came from an era in IRC when you didnt text flood and sometimes had to break your question up over multiple short lines. |
| 18:40.42 | lifostack | now days with discord, and all the other stuff slack, people dont like that anymore? |
| 18:40.57 | lifostack | or do you just mean in general? |
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| 18:45.30 | petn-randall | lifostack: You mean regarding "silly questions"? We still use IRC, and we're completely fine with newbie questions, as long as the mindset is right: We see that you tried to do what's within your capabilities, and you got stuck somewhere, and you took the time to describe the issue. So in this case it was a good question, not so much silly. |
| 18:46.01 | petn-randall | I'm not aware of any Debian discord support channels, though there probably are some unofficial ones. |
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| 18:54.50 | toxic | Hello everyone, I've just discoveres using fstab tou mount smb shares is not the best way today and I've read I should use systemd instead |
| 18:55.13 | EdePopede | Discord and DFSG? so i'd hope nobody would take Debian into Discord. Discourse on the other hand.... |
| 18:55.19 | nkuttler | toxic: discovered where? |
| 18:55.50 | swift110 | I would welcome people from debian onto my telegram group |
| 18:56.57 | toxic | nkuttler several reads like "fstab is horrible" on various forums... las example was found on a proxmox forum https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/cifs-mount-in-etc-fstab-will-not-auto-mount-upon-restart.36841/post-184153 |
| 18:57.44 | EdePopede | " Fstab is horrible." [citation needed] |
| 18:57.47 | toxic | anyway, I'm facing issues with fstab so why not change things around..; While I'm at it, I'm actually looking to find something that would discover all accessible shares of a server given a user and mount each of them in it's matching directory |
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| 18:58.24 | swift110 | hey all |
| 18:58.34 | SoundShaman | hi swift110 |
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| 18:59.18 | toxic | has anyone seen or build something like this ? (automount all smb shares given a user/pwd) |
| 19:00.35 | ratrace | fstabs EdePopede in the leg. |
| 19:01.48 | jmcnaught | toxic: systemd converts /etc/fstab entries to .mount units at boot, so there might not be much difference. "man systemd.mount" even says "In general, configuring mount points through /etc/fstab is the preferred approach." |
| 19:02.03 | EdePopede | # fsck /dev/leg |
| 19:02.29 | toxic | thanks jmcnaught ! |
| 19:02.47 | petn-randall | I wouldn't add any smb mounts to fstab/systemd.mount at all. You can simply browse and access them via the file manager of your DE. |
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| 19:05.24 | toxic | petn-randall, that's not helpfull, there are so many reasons one wants to mount a smb that I don't know which one to start with.... |
| 19:05.39 | greycat | Sounded helpful to me. *shrug* |
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| 19:06.38 | EdePopede | avoids GUI fm's, even double commander. the latter one mostly because it lacks some of Total Commander's features, and Linux has really usable terminals. |
| 19:06.44 | petn-randall | toxic: Sure, there might be some edge cases. But your system not booting through because the remote SMB is down sounds like a downside to me. |
| 19:07.12 | ratrace | add nofail to the fstab options so it doesn't hang your boot if the remote is down |
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| 19:08.38 | greycat | you'd want the _netdev option too, right? or is that only for NFS? |
| 19:08.58 | greycat | has never *ever* configured a Linux box to mount a CIFS or SMB file system at boor time. |
| 19:09.26 | ratrace | _netdev is fs independent option according to mount(8) |
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| 19:34.45 | gyt0 | why doesn't wiki.debian.org allow connection via Tor? |
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| 19:35.30 | nkuttler | gyt0: try a different route |
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| 19:36.10 | avu | gyt0: WFM |
| 19:36.11 | gyt0 | nkuttler, this is all the time. debian.org works, wiki doesn't |
| 19:36.22 | nkuttler | works for me too |
| 19:36.25 | gyt0 | avu, WFM? |
| 19:36.30 | avu | gyt0: Works For Me |
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| 19:37.55 | gyt0 | can't find wiki in .onion https://onion.debian.org/ as well |
| 19:38.03 | gyt0 | ;( |
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| 19:45.08 | flrnd | works for me too :? |
| 19:48.20 | gyt0 | flrnd, for me too :) |
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| 20:23.39 | jhutchins | !wiki |
| 20:25.59 | jhutchins | gyt0: some admins consider tor a sign of potential malice. |
| 20:26.09 | blackop | it is amazing to see debian 10 working on 20+ yrs old machine! |
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| 20:26.57 | EdePopede | blackop: what env, and how's the system load? |
| 20:27.05 | busternube | newbie netinstall behind KVM switch offfers only 1024x rez , its an onboard radeon chip. i downloaded radeon drivers for linux probably made it worse. went back to apt install amdgpu drivers but it fails. |
| 20:27.19 | sney | !amd firmware |
| 20:27.19 | dpkg | Binary-only firmware for the amdgpu and radeon <DRM> drivers is packaged for Debian as firmware-amd-graphics. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance and/or missing video features are commonly experienced. To install, ask me about <non-free sources>, then install firmware-amd-graphics. |
| 20:28.05 | busternube | reading online people having same problem installing amdgpu in the latest kernal and revert to previous kernal or somethhing. |
| 20:28.17 | blackop | EdePopede: ibm thinkpad x20 - debian 10.8 - xfce :p |
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| 20:28.36 | sney | busternube: try the firmware package mentioned in dpkg's message first. |
| 20:28.42 | busternube | firmware i need to download propri formwares for the onboard radeon? |
| 20:28.44 | blackop | 306mb ram |
| 20:28.45 | petn-randall | busternube: How did you install the radeon drivers? You might have broken things, depending on what you did. |
| 20:29.03 | blackop | celeron 500 mhz |
| 20:29.17 | blackop | pIII coppermine |
| 20:29.23 | busternube | i think i opted for firmware on the install |
| 20:29.29 | EdePopede | iirc right after login it uses near to 300mb here |
| 20:29.39 | blackop | actually.. |
| 20:29.40 | EdePopede | so a lot of swapping i guess? |
| 20:29.42 | blackop | lemme check |
| 20:29.54 | busternube | i downloaded radeon driovers from amd.com catalyst for linux i think |
| 20:30.14 | blackop | using half of the ram unfortunately |
| 20:30.19 | blackop | and a lot cpu |
| 20:30.24 | sney | the amdgpu-pro/catalyst driver usually just fails to build on debian without extra work, so you probably just have a partial dkms tree from that |
| 20:30.25 | petn-randall | busternube: Are there instructions to revert this? |
| 20:30.36 | blackop | installed partition was about 12gb |
| 20:30.38 | gyt0 | jhutchins, seriously? They don't seem to have much knowledge ;) |
| 20:30.42 | blackop | 1gb might be swap area |
| 20:30.49 | busternube | i ran it from file manager so i dont know if it even worked the term window canished and i didnt use any "-y" |
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| 20:30.58 | busternube | vanished* |
| 20:31.04 | busternube | typing |
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| 20:31.09 | rangergord | Buster would crash and reboot with no indication of what went wrong when I would log in the KDE/Plasma shell. Once I intalled Gnome and started using Gnome Classic, no issues whatsoever. Any educated guesses as to what was preventing me from using KDE? |
| 20:31.31 | rangergord | I didn't really troubleshoot, just installed firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 20:32.01 | flrnd | blackop: XFCE is not a good option for that computer. You should consider using something like blackbox, dwm, or something like that. |
| 20:32.20 | flrnd | blackop: also, ditching the traditional swap partition for ZRAM will improve performance |
| 20:32.37 | flrnd | not much, anyway, because snails being snails :P |
| 20:32.40 | EdePopede | dwm is the suckless one? |
| 20:32.47 | flrnd | yep |
| 20:32.54 | EdePopede | configuration by rebuilding it? |
| 20:32.59 | EdePopede | i liked it :) |
| 20:33.35 | flrnd | Well, that maybe hardcore. But I mean, XFCE will eat cpu cycles with every screen render/redraw |
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| 20:36.52 | busternube | sney sounds like what you said |
| 20:37.11 | sney | busternube: ok, so install the firmware-amd-graphics package from non-free and then reboot |
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| 20:37.58 | busternube | i'm total noob at this i just wanted to run a linux box |
| 20:38.49 | sney | there is a little bit of a bump to get over when running it on modern x86_64 hardware, thanks to hardware vendors clashing with debian's free software guidelines. but once you have the firmware you need, it'll work fine |
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| 20:39.21 | flrnd | busternube: black screen after boot? |
| 20:39.38 | sney | missing resolutions |
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| 20:41.49 | flrnd | busternube: are you the one with KVM switch ? |
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| 20:44.43 | busternube | yes |
| 20:44.51 | busternube | old one |
| 20:45.07 | busternube | but i have disconnected for doing this now |
| 20:45.31 | flrnd | I see, can't help with that :( |
| 20:45.37 | busternube | unclear if monitor autodetect is the issue |
| 20:47.59 | flrnd | have you tried passing the kernel parameter? Like video=VGA1:1024x768 (or whatever resolution) |
| 20:50.03 | flrnd | afaik the problem with kvm switches is that can't reach the EDID from the monitor resulting in incorrect resolutions. But that's all I can tell because I never had one of those |
| 20:50.50 | flrnd | busternube: if you didn't try already, pass the resolution as kernel parameter |
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| 20:52.05 | busternube | will try that soon |
| 20:52.21 | busternube | at grub right? |
| 20:52.26 | flrnd | yep |
| 20:52.28 | jhutchins | busternube: One of the first steps would be to see if booting to multi-user.target works. Also, if your DE has a control panel for monitor settings it should show you what hardware it detected. |
| 20:53.06 | flrnd | the problem is that behind the KVM switch that doesn't matter, because it cant reach the monitor to get a proper resolution |
| 20:53.31 | busternube | learning to check my non-free sources |
| 20:53.36 | jhutchins | busternube: Have you tested it without the KVM? KVMs are notorius for that. |
| 20:53.37 | flrnd | resulting in a corrupted / wrong resolution |
| 20:54.13 | flrnd | I think passing the video parameter with the resolution would fix the problem, overriding the corrupted resolution |
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| 20:55.15 | busternube | i remember getting a black screen yes earlier today wh3en booting without the SWITCH |
| 20:55.25 | flrnd | that's a firmware problem |
| 20:56.09 | flrnd | !firmware |
| 20:56.10 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 20:56.22 | jhutchins | busternube: Did you test to see if you could get to a consle? Ctl-Alt-F1? |
| 20:57.06 | busternube | no not yet as a noob tht is not yet instinct |
| 20:58.27 | busternube | https://community.amd.com/t5/drivers-software/can-t-install-amdgpu-drivers-on-ubuntu-20-04-1-5-4-0-56-generic/td-p/426676/page/2 |
| 20:58.42 | busternube | these guys look similar |
| 20:58.57 | busternube | they had to revert their kernal |
| 20:59.25 | jhutchins | busternube: That's fine, you're not expected to know everything. We all had to start somewhere. |
| 20:59.47 | busternube | but its early to determine that i think |
| 21:00.05 | flrnd | busternube: that article is from ubuntu, you are running buster I guess? |
| 21:00.11 | jhutchins | busternube: Did you upgrade the kernel? |
| 21:00.29 | busternube | i'm finishing my snack and going to check for non-free |
| 21:00.38 | flrnd | amd or nvidia? |
| 21:00.45 | busternube | no just installed the newest deb yesterday |
| 21:00.46 | flrnd | or intel? |
| 21:01.17 | busternube | amd 760g board with onboard radeon |
| 21:01.35 | busternube | debian 10.80 |
| 21:01.37 | flrnd | then no prob. It actually works quite well on buster |
| 21:02.04 | flrnd | 10.80! my god how fast past time :P |
| 21:02.48 | busternube | i did mess with squeeze for a month a few years ago. |
| 21:02.57 | busternube | learned nothing |
| 21:03.00 | Mister00X | ooff I may have missed debian 10.9 to 10.80 then |
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| 21:04.09 | flrnd | I'm not that bledding edge, still at 10.8 X-) |
| 21:04.14 | busternube | flrnd what exactly works well on buster? |
| 21:04.22 | flrnd | the amd driver |
| 21:04.23 | jhutchins | busternube: Your kernel should be ok then, the one relesed with Stable usually doesn't have serious problems. |
| 21:05.10 | flrnd | busternube: install the firmware-amd-graphics package to solve the black screen problem |
| 21:05.17 | jhutchins | flrnd: Latest point release is 10.8 |
| 21:05.37 | flrnd | yeah I was just joking because he misstyped a .80 |
| 21:05.54 | busternube | i have to fix my sources or something working on it |
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| 21:06.46 | jhutchins | flrnd: Ah. Yeah, we ain't kernel-of-the week Gentoo. |
| 21:06.53 | busternube | i added this |
| 21:06.58 | busternube | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 21:07.10 | jhutchins | Looks good, update. |
| 21:07.17 | busternube | must not be the right one. |
| 21:07.17 | jmcnaught | busternube: it should say "buster" not "stable". |
| 21:07.41 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 21:07.42 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-5-686 (5.10.24-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-4-686 (5.10.19-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.10.13-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-14-686-pae (4.19.171-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.14-686 (4.19.171-2~deb9u1); jessie- |
| 21:07.43 | judd | backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 21:07.52 | flrnd | yeah, because with "stable" will upgrade with bullseye release |
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| 21:08.27 | jmcnaught | busternube: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list use the second example that has "main contrib non-free" at the end of each line |
| 21:08.34 | sney | if you had 'stable' in sources.list you'd get a really nasty surprise in about 5-6 months, heh |
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| 21:10.06 | flrnd | that can be fun, because the distro will update but without dist-upgrade will create an interesting mix of bullseye/buster |
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| 21:11.11 | busternube | Building initial module for 4.19.0-14-amd64 |
| 21:11.37 | busternube | edited the "stable" to "buster" |
| 21:11.52 | jmcnaught | busternube: what are you building? |
| 21:12.30 | flrnd | other than the initramfs... no clue |
| 21:13.26 | busternube | Fetched 14.3 MB in 6s (2,334 kB/s) |
| 21:13.26 | busternube | Reading package lists... Done |
| 21:13.26 | busternube | busterkvm@buster1080:~$ sudo apt-get install firmware-amd-graphics |
| 21:13.26 | busternube | Fetched 14.3 MB in 6s (2,334 kB/s) |
| 21:13.26 | busternube | Reading package lists... Done |
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| 21:14.11 | flrnd | X) |
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| 21:14.18 | jmcnaught | !paste |
| 21:14.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 21:14.22 | flrnd | busternube: use paste.debian.org |
| 21:14.32 | flrnd | *.net |
| 21:14.41 | flrnd | I always forget about the .net lmao |
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| 21:15.14 | jhutchins | flrnd: They're not terribly consistent about the extension. |
| 21:15.25 | flrnd | oh yes |
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| 21:16.12 | jmcnaught | *.debian.net is for semi-official sites run by Debian Developers, *.debian.org is for official project sites |
| 21:16.19 | busternube | Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 21:16.45 | jmcnaught | busternube: please use https://paste.debian.net/ to show us the command you used and all of the output |
| 21:17.02 | busternube | ok |
| 21:17.05 | flrnd | jmcnaught: it makes sense |
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| 21:23.25 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: I figured there was some kind of logic to it. |
| 21:24.08 | jmcnaught | !debian.net |
| 21:24.08 | dpkg | The "debian.net" domain points at unofficial resources maintained by Debian Developers. The resources are usually not managed or controlled by the Debian sysadmin group, unlike debian.org machines. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDotNet and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianNetDomains for more information. |
| 21:24.15 | jmcnaught | I forgot there was a factoid for it |
| 21:25.00 | jhutchins | Yeah, the factoids I remember aren't there, those I forget still are. |
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| 21:27.13 | jmcnaught | jhutchins: there is https://ircbots.debian.net/ or you can "/msg dpkg listkeys foo" or "/msg dpkg listvals bar" to search keys or values respectively. |
| 21:28.29 | busternube | https://paste.debian.net/1190734/ |
| 21:29.29 | sney | ah, so you did successfully install the amdgpu-pro package, and it did fail to build |
| 21:29.46 | busternube | yes i think so |
| 21:29.55 | sney | 'apt remove amdgpu amdgpu-dkms' should get you on the right track |
| 21:30.15 | busternube | ok |
| 21:30.46 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: Yeah, I find I use listkeys a lot. |
| 21:31.14 | busternube | completely from the DKMS tree. |
| 21:31.14 | busternube | ------------------------------ |
| 21:31.14 | busternube | Done. |
| 21:31.32 | flrnd | carefull with pastes here :P |
| 21:32.12 | sney | reboot and you should be good to go |
| 21:32.58 | busternube | dont need to rery the firmware and graphics thing? |
| 21:33.57 | sney | nope, you can see it installed successfully and update-initramfs was able to run in your paste |
| 21:34.21 | busternube | ok see u on the flipside |
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| 21:45.36 | Anarchy7 | Im trying to upgrade debian jessie to stretch but getting lots of E: Failed to fetch https://packages.sury.org/php/pool/main/p/pcre3/libpcre3_8.43-1+0~20200703.7+debian8~1.gbpbfc49f_amd64.deb HttpError404 erros.. Anyone can help? |
| 21:45.56 | Mister00X | wow this is clearly no debian repo |
| 21:46.00 | sney | Anarchy7: sure, comment out the deb.sury.org repos in your sources.list until after the upgrade |
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| 21:46.11 | petn-randall | Anarchy7: That is a 3rd party repo, you probably have to remove that. Or ask them why it's gone. |
| 21:46.40 | sney | for everyone who doesn't know, ondrej sury is debian's php maintainer, he hosts a repo for php builds other than the one in stable, because sometimes that's needed. |
| 21:46.51 | petn-randall | Anarchy7: Also read the upgrade notes, it explicitely tells you which steps need to be done before upgrading. |
| 21:46.51 | sney | his packages are identical quality to the "real" ones because it's the same guy |
| 21:47.43 | Mister00X | furiously scribbles that down |
| 21:47.44 | petn-randall | Well, debian-multimedia was also by a DD, but had a questionable quality. |
| 21:48.12 | sney | this is more akin to backports (and er, front-ports) |
| 21:48.35 | Anarchy7 | !dpkg stretch |
| 21:48.36 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 21:49.54 | Anarchy7 | I have only 3 lines which are suggested by #debian channel, the rest are commented with #### |
| 21:50.12 | sney | Anarchy7: check in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ then |
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| 21:51.10 | Anarchy7 | in sources.list.d there is php.list |
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| 21:51.20 | Anarchy7 | shall I completely delete this file? |
| 21:51.44 | sney | yes |
| 21:52.15 | Anarchy7 | ok then I will run the 8 update/upgrade commands again |
| 21:52.36 | Anarchy7 | what was the command for seeing debian 8 sources.list valid lines |
| 21:52.46 | Anarchy7 | !dpkg upgrade jessie |
| 21:52.50 | sney | !jessie sources.list |
| 21:52.50 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 22:07.33 | Anarchy7 | after this sudo apt-get upgrade Im on mailman package configuration, I choose English but the same Language menu comes in front of me again and again 100 times |
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| 22:09.22 | sney | make sure you are selecting 'next' or equivalent, I know some of those menus let you select more than one locale |
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| 22:15.23 | Anarchy7 | I click Enter after selecting |
| 22:16.12 | Anarchy7 | ohh I needed to click Space and then enter,, weird |
| 22:16.25 | Anarchy7 | Space puts an asteriskt to chosen language |
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| 22:20.59 | busternube | sney that reboot came up blank screen |
| 22:21.23 | busternube | vga=ask no longer supported |
| 22:22.10 | busternube | video=1360x768 didnt really work |
| 22:22.41 | sney | odd, it should work fine. try removing that stuff from grub and see if it can autodetect now |
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| 22:23.30 | busternube | what stuff |
| 22:23.43 | sney | your vga= video= etc anything else you added |
| 22:24.09 | busternube | isnt that temporary anyway |
| 22:24.36 | busternube | how force autodetect |
| 22:25.41 | busternube | how tell which kernal i have |
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| 22:27.20 | busternube | THAT KERNEL ISSUE ISNT FOR AMD |
| 22:27.24 | sney | it's temporary if you added it at the boot menu. you can see which kernel you are using in the same menu, it'll say "Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 4.19.0-14-amd64' or something like that, the 4.19.0-14 is your kernel version |
| 22:27.25 | busternube | sry |
| 22:27.30 | Anarchy7 | after sudo apt-get update I become W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 22:27.30 | Anarchy7 | 112695A0E562B32A |
| 22:27.31 | Anarchy7 | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 22:27.32 | Anarchy7 | 648ACFD622F3D138 |
| 22:27.38 | Anarchy7 | can I ignore this or is there a fix? |
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| 22:28.41 | busternube | i read one that says cvt to get a modeline to add to xorg.conf or something |
| 22:28.50 | petn-randall | Anarchy7: Please use a paste site like mentioned in the /topic, or debhelper will kick you. |
| 22:29.02 | Anarchy7 | okay sorry |
| 22:29.05 | sney | Anarchy7: warnings can usually be ignored, as long as it doesn't stop you from upgrading. try to finish your upgrade to stretch and then worry about extra warnings/messages afterwards. |
| 22:29.09 | petn-randall | That's a flood protection in this channel, nothing personal. |
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| 22:29.23 | Anarchy7 | thanks will go to next step |
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| 22:52.31 | dob1 | where can I find logs about a process that get killed by the kernel for I suppose cpu/ram usage? |
| 22:52.47 | dondelelcaro | dob1: dmesg -H; will show you some information |
| 22:53.33 | dob1 | dondelelcaro, Out of memory: Kill process 8298 (java) score 197 or sacrifice child so ram usage? |
| 22:56.22 | petn-randall | Is there a way to search for files/dirs in Debian *source* packages like apt-file search does for binary packages? |
| 22:56.23 | digdilem | yes. somethig using java is using more memory than can be made available, so oomkiller has killed that process to protect the os |
| 22:57.25 | dob1 | digdilem, why it didnt' used swap? |
| 22:57.53 | digdilem | dob1, maybe it did and used that too, or maybe the usage wasn't suitable for swap |
| 22:58.35 | digdilem | do you have any monitoring that will tell you more? |
| 22:59.30 | dob1 | digdilem, no, what do you suggest to install? |
| 22:59.46 | dob1 | you mean something like munin? |
| 23:00.35 | digdilem | yeah, munin's okay, but the granularity is quite wide by default (5 mins?) good for overview, but if somethin guses a lot of ram it won't help much |
| 23:01.19 | digdilem | but you should know what process was killed (something that uses java) and the easiest answer is to give the machine more ram, or adjust that program to use less memory |
| 23:01.54 | digdilem | afk know, gl |
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| 23:02.08 | dob1 | digdilem, I will investigate a bit, thanks for help |
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| 23:38.19 | Anarchy7 | @sney and other friends, thanks a lot! Deleting php.list worked! I will tomorrow upgrade to debian 10 :) |
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