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| 01:03.50 | busternube | "type VBEINFO (ENTER)" dumps a list of rez so long it blows a hundred lines past me, how to pause that thing? |
| 01:04.45 | busternube | wheres sney? |
| 01:04.55 | busternube | what do i try now? |
| 01:05.57 | busternube | buy a video card |
| 01:06.01 | busternube | ? |
| 01:06.23 | busternube | i probably have some old weak gpu around here |
| 01:07.34 | busternube | i passed on a $12 quatro or quadro or something |
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| 01:09.43 | petn-randall | busternube: You can pipe the output to less? |
| 01:10.24 | busternube | vbeinfo|less did not work |
| 01:10.41 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 01:10.41 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 01:11.11 | busternube | vbeinfo|less did not result positivley |
| 01:12.28 | petn-randall | I'm not sure you're getting less vague here. Did you get an error message? What did it say? |
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| 01:12.56 | petn-randall | Is this on a command prompt, or somewhere else? |
| 01:13.15 | petn-randall | Oh wait, this is in grub2? |
| 01:15.53 | busternube | grub came with debian 10.8 |
| 01:16.14 | busternube | dont know the version |
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| 01:16.53 | petn-randall | I don't think grub2 can paginate the output. You might be able to scroll up with pageup/pagedown. |
| 01:17.48 | busternube | dont think so it was a grub command prompt and the command executed real fast and back to the prompt |
| 01:19.56 | busternube | xfce "display" program sees the gpu as "default" wiht only 2 modes |
| 01:20.07 | busternube | 1024x and 720x |
| 01:20.42 | busternube | i need to tell sney he needed to know that i think. |
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| 01:26.34 | sney | busternube: you don't need to pick one person to help you, everyone here knows the general installing stuff |
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| 01:31.26 | sney | though I recommend testing with a display connected directly to your computer first, and only try using the KVM switch once you're sure it works by itself |
| 01:32.09 | busternube | i been doing that i cant get back here unless i reconnect it. |
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| 01:32.25 | busternube | reconnected kvm about 10 times today |
| 01:32.51 | sney | strange. well, it wasn't me who suggested anything about vbeinfo |
| 01:32.58 | busternube | well i can open irc in my other machine but.. |
| 01:33.40 | busternube | oh i read to get the mode from that output to add to the grub file |
| 01:34.46 | busternube | but it blows 75% of the ouput past with no pause |
| 01:35.10 | busternube | vga=ask no longer supported |
| 01:36.21 | petn-randall | ... have you tried scrolling the output, as suggested? |
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| 01:37.40 | busternube | nothing has changed at all amdgpu is not working , i can remove kvm after booted up and run "identify display" in the xfce "display" program gets nuthin but default |
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| 01:38.01 | busternube | i answererd about the scrolling |
| 01:38.22 | busternube | it dumps outp[ut fast and back to grub command line |
| 01:38.28 | busternube | no scoll |
| 01:39.19 | busternube | <sney> busternube: you don't need to pick one person to help you, |
| 01:39.42 | busternube | but so far you are the closest winner |
| 01:39.45 | busternube | lol |
| 01:40.15 | sney | except I'm about to be afk for a while. |
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| 01:42.13 | busternube | partly my display is a 720p TV so wek as a pc monitor |
| 01:42.26 | busternube | probably doesnt help wiont support any odd rez |
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| 01:51.43 | busternube | https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=226242 |
| 01:57.00 | busternube | "Let's make it easy. The AMD 3000 series driver is integrated into the kernel and any recent Mint edition will work out of the box." |
| 01:57.14 | busternube | thas the one |
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| 01:59.25 | busternube | "These cards are now supported with the later released Catalyst 13-1 legacy, but you MUST use a kernel <= 3.4 and Xserver <= 1.12" |
| 01:59.42 | busternube | RS780 Radeon HD 3100/3200/3300 |
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| 02:00.16 | busternube | these from google finds the last one is old it seems |
| 02:06.08 | busternube | am i still connected theres 990 people in this room and zero activity |
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| 02:08.18 | petn-randall | busternube: That's how IRC works. People idle. You didn't ask a question so nobody responded. |
| 02:08.22 | busternube | "I had to install linux-amd-graphics package but from stretch-backports..." |
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| 02:58.49 | dannylee | i put Debian stretch 9.13 on my machine about one month ago...it would only let me have 2 web browser that would work...i spent a month doing update..but no luck...there somthing wrong with Debian source code...only firefox an chromium world work...the other web browser are use less...so i put fedora 31 back on my machine an did updates...it only took me 30 minute to install...fedora is run buy IBM an |
| 02:58.49 | dannylee | Redhat...i now have 20 terminal and 10 web browser that work with youtube an all others...Debian was rea;;y good ten years ago...my computer is a Dell optiplex 960...its over 10 years old...maybe newer machine might work with Debian...there indian programmer suck...they just don't know what there doing..there source is really to Big... |
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| 03:05.10 | craigevil | troll |
| 03:05.21 | ryouma | i get this: "systemctl[805]: Failed to stop systemd-ask-password-plymouth.path: Unit systemd-ask-password-plymouth.path not loaded." |
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| 03:06.39 | ryouma | what does it mean? also, i ahve a problem where, for some reason, my luks key on root is not being read, even though cryypttab seems correct. so i get asked for password twice. and the second time, there are async mesaages on the console (e.g. about mouse) that obcure the fact that i am being asked. |
| 03:06.54 | ryouma | idk if my 2 issues are related or not |
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| 03:46.33 | sponix2ipfw | ryouma: seems you are working towards securing yourself out of the system completely :) |
| 03:46.46 | sponix2ipfw | wish you luck on your adventure |
| 03:47.16 | ryouma | sponix2ipfw: well the only thing i did to secure the system was run luks. is that THAT unusual? |
| 03:47.26 | ryouma | i mean, it's in the installer. it can't be that strange. |
| 03:47.44 | ryouma | as for the systemd somethign or other, i have zero idea what it is or means or does. |
| 03:48.30 | ryouma | luks is just pretty standard i thought |
| 03:48.46 | sponix2ipfw | its use is common |
| 03:49.54 | ryouma | what is a "system password"? that could help me understand whether the systemd message is related. because the password i am talking about is just luks. |
| 03:50.46 | sponix2ipfw | ryouma: the luks password to mount the volume(s) and load the OS to start with is the same thing as a "system password" -- I think. But am not 100% sure |
| 03:51.03 | sponix2ipfw | that name is kind of vague, it could mean the root password also |
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| 03:51.40 | ryouma | yeah it is the root partition |
| 03:52.54 | ryouma | that i get asked the password twice for. the first time i understand -- that is initrd or something. so it unlocks root. then what? why would it need unlocking again, much less to ignore what crypttab says? |
| 03:53.32 | ryouma | but the async stuff in the console i don't get. why is stuff allowed to overwrite hte screen. |
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| 03:55.58 | sponix2ipfw | ryouma: with any luck, someone with experience in this area will chime in |
| 03:56.28 | sponix2ipfw | ryouma: I don't encrypt anything, and probably never will |
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| 07:36.39 | sgo11 | hi, a newbie question regarding lspci. my lspci shows "Host bridge: Intel Corporation 8th Gen Core Processor". But my cpu is intel i7-9850H which should be 9th Gen. Why are they different? Thanks. |
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| 07:42.16 | jelly | sgo11, lspci reads pci-ids and has a fixed database of descriptions for devices matching numeric ids. It's possible two generations of some hardware share the exact same pci id. |
| 07:42.55 | jelly | and the description was not updated since the first time that pci id was added |
| 07:48.28 | sgo11 | jelly: thanks a lot for the answer. I am trying to install something which require me to determine whether I am running Coffee Lake (8th gen) or Coffee Lake (9th gen). I should choose "Coffee Lake (9th gen)", is that right? I was so confused when I see 8th gen in lspci. |
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| 07:53.17 | mesaboogie | sgo11: you can try running "sudo update-pciidds" (I think a reboot is required for the database to reflect the update) and *maybe* the updated database will show the correct id. good luck. |
| 07:54.41 | mesaboogie | sudo update-pciids (<- typo correction) |
| 07:55.23 | mesaboogie | sgo11: what does 'lscpu' output show? =) |
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| 08:03.40 | Lope | Geez I've been struggling with a network problem. Seems like it's resolved now though. |
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| 08:07.19 | Lope | VM with a webserver, with virtio network bridged to physical LAN, the VM couldn't open webpage on other computers on the network. Other PC's on the network couldn't open the VM's webpage. Only the host could. |
| 08:07.33 | Lope | Ok, the problem is resolved. Geez. Network manager is such a piece of crap. |
| 08:07.45 | Lope | Linux is madness. |
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| 08:09.13 | Lope | I was originally using ifupdown for everything, but found it wasn't reliably bringing up my bridge with RealCrap network adapter. So I switched to NetworkManager for just the bridge that has RealCrap. NetworkManager was able to bring it up reliably... But for some insane reason NetworkManager wasn't allowing TCP traffic from the VM to pass thru the bridge, only ICMP. |
| 08:09.18 | Lope | Was driving me nuts. |
| 08:09.37 | ratrace | doesn't sound like something NM would block |
| 08:10.28 | TheBigK02 | I feel like network-manager is in a similar spot like systemd... its so different that everbody hates on it :D |
| 08:10.44 | ratrace | but really, complex systems have complex bugs. if interfaces(5) wasn't sufficient for your bridge, have you tried systemd-networkd? |
| 08:10.48 | TheBigK02 | i actually enjoy network-manager a lot. it makes things just better... |
| 08:11.18 | n4dir | i use it exactly once, that is after installation. So i can't say much about it. |
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| 08:19.41 | sgo11 | mesaboogie: thanks a lot for your reply. I am not sure which parameter you want me to check from lscpu output. `lscpu` shows i7-9850H. I bought the cpu myself. I knew it's i7-9850H. I just don't know if i7-9850H can be 8th gen core or not. I am not a hardware expert. I have no ideas about Coffee lake name and generation number. Btw, I have updated pci.ids file, but I can not reboot now. lspci still shows |
| 08:19.47 | sgo11 | 8th gen so far. |
| 08:21.03 | ratrace | sgo11: you can always look them up on intel's ARK, lotsa info there: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/191047/intel-core-i7-9850h-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-60-ghz.html |
| 08:21.32 | rdz | hi. can i view a changelog of an upgradable package _before_ I upgrade it? |
| 08:21.43 | ratrace | sgo11: sounds like 9th gen aka Coffee Lake CPU |
| 08:21.47 | rdz | "apt-get changelog mariadb-server-core-10.1" returns 404 |
| 08:21.56 | rdz | that's in stretch, btw |
| 08:22.24 | sgo11 | ratrace: thanks. so I can ignore lspci output for now. |
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| 08:22.54 | ratrace | sgo11: I don't know, ignore for what? |
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| 08:24.19 | sgo11 | ratrace: lspci shows "Intel Corporation 8th Gen Core Processor". So I should ignore this output and use 9th core config files. |
| 08:24.53 | ratrace | rdz: that should've worked. dunno if it doesn't because Stretch is EOL and in LTS mode. is that package even installable? |
| 08:25.23 | ratrace | sgo11: config files for what? sorry, I'm missing your previous convo about the issue |
| 08:25.30 | rdz | ratrace, yeah, it is |
| 08:26.16 | ratrace | rdz: what's the _exact_ output of apt-get changelog? |
| 08:27.07 | rdz | ratrace, https://paste.debian.net/1190775/ |
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| 08:28.36 | sgo11 | ratrace: I am installing something. I didn't say. Not sure if I should say the name or not. It has a requirement to download some config files. Coffee lake 8th gen and 9th gen have different config files. So I need to determine whether I should use coffee lake 8th gen files or coffe lake 9th gen files. I am not a hardware expert. I am not sure if a CPU can be 9th gen model and 8th gen core series at the |
| 08:28.42 | sgo11 | same time. |
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| 08:31.34 | ratrace | sgo11: sorry I misread your "lspci" as "lscpu" ... lspci is not good info on which cpu you've got. and where exactly do you see "8th gen" in lscpi output? surely not about the cpu, but PCI based periphery? |
| 08:33.01 | ratrace | rdz: I'm not sure if that's just some mirror hiccup, or that's the consequence of Stretch being EOL'd |
| 08:33.04 | sgo11 | ratrace: yeah, I saw 8th gen from lspci. The output is: "00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 8th Gen Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers (rev 0d)". I have updated pci.ids file without a reboot. For some reasons, I can not reboot the device now. |
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| 08:33.23 | rdz | ratrace, ok.. but apt-get changelog would be the right tool, otherwise |
| 08:33.34 | unixbsd | hi, how to format with NTFS nfs 3d a /dev/sda1 with bad block check? |
| 08:33.45 | unixbsd | (a removal from list if defect). |
| 08:33.46 | ratrace | rdz: yes, definitely |
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| 08:33.57 | rdz | ratrace, thanks |
| 08:34.20 | ratrace | rdz: it should be also available through the package tracker, see here: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/mariadb-server-core-10.1 (link Changelog on the right side) ... but that's the same URL you had, and also 404s |
| 08:34.54 | rdz | ratrace, at least, the proper changelog is included in the package.. i could get it and read it now |
| 08:34.57 | ratrace | sgo11: so that's either stale pciid database, or your motherboard is using older gen periphery for a newer CPU, not impossible |
| 08:35.09 | ratrace | rdz: ah right, yes. source package too |
| 08:35.10 | rdz | ratrace, i was just wondering how critical the upgrade was |
| 08:35.22 | sgo11 | ratrace: I am sure I got i7-9850H cpu. I bought it myself. It's not a released version. (a pre-release version?). It has stepping 13 from lscpu output. I just don't know if i7-9850H can be coffee lake 8th gen or not. |
| 08:36.09 | sgo11 | ratrace: ok. so it's Coffee lake 9th gen then. :) Thanks. |
| 08:36.11 | ratrace | sgo11: it's 9th gen if ARK says so. the "8th gen" think you see in lspci is about periphery, chipsets, could be stale pciids database or simply that's teh name of it. older gen periphery can be and is used with newer CPUs |
| 08:36.31 | sgo11 | ratrace: ok. got it. thanks a lot. |
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| 08:36.48 | ratrace | sgo11: as an example, on a machine I have, lspci says I have Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor PCI Excpress x16 Controller. I assure you, that's no Xeon on that motherboard :) |
| 08:37.29 | ratrace | it is, however, a haswell grade core i5. yeah, xeons, core, all same waffer and then disabled features in the core.... so, don't read too much into what lspci says, that's not authoritative. ARK is. |
| 08:37.30 | sgo11 | ratrace: ok. got it. ^_^ |
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| 08:38.39 | ratrace | sgo11: also.... what _Exactly_ is that needed for, I'm curious? Is it compile time options for some software? for CPUFLAGS? |
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| 08:46.32 | sgo11 | ratrace: it's for macos installation on my device (opencore). (I am not sure if I should call it hackintosh or not). I need to run some apps which do not provide Linux version. All of them provide MacOS or Windows versions. So I choose MacOS. I don't want to use it. But it's life, I need to make some compromise. I don't want to run VMs too. Win10 VM is slow. MacOS VM is a overkill. Btw, I don't enjoy the |
| 08:46.38 | sgo11 | macos install process. |
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| 08:52.03 | jelly | it's also possible some 8th gen and 9th gen intel cpus are not that different at all and actually share exact same pcie internals |
| 08:53.02 | jelly | sgo11, if you have an engineer sample cpu then all bets are off |
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| 08:55.24 | sgo11 | jelly: ok. thanks for the info. |
| 08:55.42 | sgo11 | btw, what do you mean by "all bets are off"? |
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| 08:57.51 | sgo11 | I think it's an engineer sample cpu. The seller says so. It has stepping 13 from lscpu output. It should be a kinda mature product. I have been using it for about a year now. |
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| 09:00.03 | zathras | I know this is no official package, but probably not something I am unique in to struggle with: I installed MS teams .deb but I get a preview version which is very slow, produces a big white screen and does not seem to function. Also starts at every boot which I dislike. |
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| 09:00.32 | zathras | I see nothing stand out in hidious logs (in .config !). Any pointers appreciated |
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| 09:06.04 | oxek | zathras: I also could not make it work a few months ago |
| 09:06.14 | oxek | white screen, and nothing afterwards |
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| 09:13.47 | zathras | oxek, seems like another quality MS product then |
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| 09:15.14 | zathras | I found the FAQ with issues also intriguing. We are aware of these and will provide more info when we have it. And that was quite some time a go. No other issues/solutions |
| 09:16.07 | zathras | You wonder if they even test the crap |
| 09:16.32 | zathras | oxek, did the web version work for you on Debian? |
| 09:16.59 | oxek | the browser version worked, yes |
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| 09:17.18 | zathras | It seemed ok to me up to the point where I could join. Just wondering if it was me or the other side with issues |
| 09:17.21 | oxek | I don't think anyone is using the .deb version, because it simply doesn't work and hasn't worked in months |
| 09:17.32 | oxek | zathras: what browser are you using? |
| 09:17.42 | zathras | I tried to use it with Chromium |
| 09:17.45 | oxek | I had to install MS Edge |
| 09:17.51 | zathras | lol |
| 09:17.54 | oxek | didn't work in firefox nor chromium for me back then |
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| 09:18.12 | zathras | They should provide a meta-package the : fubar.deb |
| 09:18.22 | zathras | *then |
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| 09:20.03 | zathras | oxek, did you install the stable ,deb and also got a preview version instead? |
| 09:20.12 | pafymyc | hi |
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| 09:25.36 | Sia- | Hi, i got this email for a error in mdadm with raid1, but can't see any error listed or i can't fix. https://dpaste.org/LkiJ |
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| 09:38.18 | ratrace | Sia-: what email? |
| 09:38.42 | Sia- | root@myserver...etc |
| 09:38.56 | ratrace | Sia-: I mean you posted mdadm detail output, not the email |
| 09:39.02 | ratrace | Sia-: also your array is degraded, one member has been kicked out I guess. you'll have to search kernel logs for what actually happened |
| 09:40.21 | Sia- | https://dpaste.org/t3pJ |
| 09:40.22 | ratrace | Sia-: start with `dmesg | grep ' md: '` and expand from that |
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| 09:40.46 | ratrace | Sia-: right, a member has been kicked out. Now figure out why from the kernel logs. |
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| 09:44.33 | Sia- | ok https://dpaste.org/zkNB |
| 09:46.53 | ratrace | Sia-: is that all? maybe that wasn't sufficient grep filter. look at the journal around the time that email was sent. for example 5 minutes before, onward. you can use --since param for journalctl for that. |
| 09:47.14 | Sia- | ok |
| 09:47.23 | ratrace | also btw, what you posted does not match grep " md: " |
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| 09:48.27 | Sia- | one more https://dpaste.org/S09C |
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| 09:53.05 | ratrace | Sia-: when did you get the email from mdadm? |
| 09:53.32 | Sia- | every night |
| 09:54.56 | ratrace | Sia-: so, the mirror is made of sdb and sdc? can you check journal around the time of your LAST email from mdadm? try few minutes before, using --since |
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| 09:55.35 | Sia- | ok |
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| 09:56.14 | newbsduser | hi team, what is the best open source project for collecting sflow on Debian? |
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| 10:05.06 | Sia- | ratrace i think found the error in sdb, i'll activete raid again hope the error is fixed. Have a nice day (Y) |
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| 10:16.01 | ratrace | sigh..... sdb wasn't even kicked out of the array.... welp, they'll be back. |
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| 10:20.11 | jelly | /kick ratrace out of the array |
| 10:21.05 | ratrace | haha! joke's on you! I'm in ur btrfs and zfs, not in mdadmfs! |
| 10:21.08 | jelly | md is a bit flexinble on the number of errors on a member before kicking it out, these days, I think |
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| 10:21.50 | ratrace | my suspicion is the disk is cheap consumer grade NotForRAID thigny and it went into sleep, got kicked out. if it happens "daily" as it was suggested. |
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| 10:45.52 | Lope | ratrace, I haven't tried systemd-networkd |
| 10:46.28 | Lope | TheBigK02, the problem with NetworkManager WRT bridges is too much magic. It was doing some weird shit |
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| 10:46.49 | Lope | I simply deleted it from NM, then re-created it with ifupdown and it worked. |
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| 10:47.20 | Lope | ratrace, the reason ifupdown wasn't working for me previously (bridge wasn't reliably coming up after boot) was probably due to RealCrap issues, which I've since resolved. |
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| 12:36.02 | busternoob2 | sup i'm back |
| 12:36.13 | busternoob2 | on my win box |
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| 12:36.59 | busternoob2 | nobody cares i'm sure |
| 12:39.33 | busternoob2 | by debian10 netinstall was giving me no video modes on my 760g amd box has onboard video radeon rs780? i think we went thru cleaning up and installing amdgpu driver. reboot without going thru the kvm was blanking the screen but it determined that was the 720p tv i'm using as a monitor. |
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| 12:40.28 | busternoob2 | i have an old square monitor on it now and it booted fine to 1280 square rez. |
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| 12:43.06 | andre144k | hello, i think i found a bug in debian11 testing ... when i start gnome roller, to create a 7zip archive, witch password and split into 100mb files... |
| 12:43.15 | busternoob2 | i dont how it should be being a linux noob but theres no modes in the xfce "display" program still only 3 modes rather the offering went to 1280 720 and 640 and messing with any of them borks the colors and video. the bootup 1280 looks real good seems to have a good driver running it. i need to get it to start at 1360 to please my kvm switch andd tv monitor. |
| 12:43.26 | andre144k | i get an error, but files seems to create correctly |
| 12:43.38 | busternoob2 | witches ride brooms |
| 12:43.41 | busternoob2 | lol |
| 12:43.52 | andre144k | with |
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| 12:45.25 | busternoob2 | should i just abandon GUI apps for video mode and modify xorg.conf or something? or add a mode to grub. |
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| 12:46.29 | busternoob2 | does installing the drivers from the OEM pages get me a superior video driver utility like it does in winders? |
| 12:50.34 | ratrace | !tell andre144k about debian-next |
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| 12:55.09 | flrnd | busternube: did you try passing the video parameter to the kernel? |
| 12:56.23 | busternube | https://paste.debian.net/1190800/ |
| 12:59.00 | jhutchins | busternube: I don't think this is a software problem. |
| 12:59.28 | flrnd | busternube: answering the question about xfce video modes, because the KVM switch, Xorg just can't access the EDID info, so you either edit the xorg file or pass the video mode to the kernel on boot |
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| 13:00.34 | jhutchins | ... which we resolved, what, 11:00 GMT yesterday? |
| 13:00.37 | busternoob2 | loging onto the deb box is a pain right now so gonna pastebin from there come back here. |
| 13:00.42 | busternoob2 | did that already |
| 13:00.44 | flrnd | if that doesn't work, get that KVM switch, burn it and dance over the ashes |
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| 13:02.22 | flrnd | I think I've never spent more time than necesary trying to make a piece of hardware work. I value my time too much, but I may be weird. In your case, I don't know the imperative reason to make that thing works, but I'd probably throw to the closes trash can :P |
| 13:03.03 | jhutchins | I'm down to five computers in-house these days. I can log in to any one of them over the network and launch pretty much any program I want remotely. |
| 13:03.05 | flrnd | also, I know this is not every valuable advice, sorry for that :) |
| 13:03.22 | flrnd | s/every/very |
| 13:03.26 | flrnd | cant type today lol |
| 13:03.27 | busternoob2 | well us poor folk went broking buying the other hardware so learing to make the old stuiff work is important' |
| 13:03.43 | busternoob2 | i cant type |
| 13:04.47 | flrnd | the problem with the KVM switch is that there is no other way for, nor the driver or xorg to know the specs of the display (EDID info) |
| 13:04.53 | busternoob2 | would like to remove clean up whatever makes the xfce display program bork the video so it doesnt happen again. i will forget and start pressing those buttons again someday. |
| 13:05.28 | busternoob2 | yes its the cheap monitor also tho. |
| 13:05.32 | flrnd | that's a common problem with legazy displays and kvm |
| 13:05.48 | busternoob2 | i tried working with direct connect to monitor |
| 13:06.01 | flrnd | you have the perfect cocktail for frustration, a whoknows-display behind and old KVM switch |
| 13:06.16 | jhutchins | KVMs not passing EDID is a well known problem. |
| 13:06.49 | flrnd | I think jhutchins just told something very interesting, have you consider trying to make it work, but remotely? exporting the display for example? |
| 13:07.12 | busternoob2 | but the small monitor i have on it now answers the question why it wasnt working on the 720p tv. |
| 13:07.20 | jhutchins | I believe he mentioned that it was a TV, not a straight-up monitor. TVs use different standards for EDID/ |
| 13:07.32 | busternoob2 | i never exported a display you mean like VNC etc? |
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| 13:08.03 | jhutchins | busternube: I don't go full VNC, I just forward X apps or use the console. |
| 13:08.21 | flrnd | na, no need for VNC |
| 13:08.42 | flrnd | X11 is a display server. (I was there, 3000 years ago :P=) |
| 13:08.51 | busternoob2 | i thinki experimented with that once years ago had to use PUTTY to forward it to my windows machine...sound right? |
| 13:08.54 | flrnd | you can export the display through the network |
| 13:09.29 | flrnd | and open it on other linux machine, or yeah, Maybe PUTTY can do it (don't know, never used it) |
| 13:09.34 | busternoob2 | i also constructed a ssh tunnel for it |
| 13:10.03 | flrnd | I'm trying to give you food for thought, but don't let this stop you :) |
| 13:11.16 | busternoob2 | oh xrandr method wasnt working |
| 13:12.11 | busternube | randr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default |
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| 13:20.42 | Myst | Hello, who manage bot "dpkg" ? There is an error in the link for "10.8" |
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| 13:24.17 | busternoob2 | i was experimenting wihtout luck in editing the grub line |
| 13:24.47 | busternoob2 | buster grub no longer supports vga=xxxx |
| 13:25.30 | busternoob2 | i tried to obtain available modes using vbeinfo? at grub CL |
| 13:26.08 | busternoob2 | it does not pause and blows most of the 200 results past rapidly and back to CL |
| 13:27.16 | flrnd | busternube: it's video=VGA1:1024x768 |
| 13:27.32 | busternoob2 | if i edit the grub conf file and it goes bad how do i circumvent to get in and remove those changes? |
| 13:28.01 | flrnd | the syntax is: video=<conn>:<xres>x<yres>[M][R][-<bpp>][@<refresh>][i][m][eDd] |
| 13:28.34 | flrnd | enable sshd and access from another computer :P |
| 13:29.17 | flrnd | change 1024x768 for the actual display resolution |
| 13:29.36 | flrnd | more info https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/x86/boot.txt |
| 13:30.21 | busternoob2 | ok thx |
| 13:31.29 | busternoob2 | display is still called "default" i think so video=default:1360x768 ? |
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| 13:32.10 | flrnd | yeah that should do |
| 13:32.47 | busternoob2 | then edit grub conf file if it works |
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| 13:33.19 | busternoob2 | the other methods i saw were to edit the xorg.conf |
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| 13:34.10 | busternoob2 | using modeline taken from xrandr |
| 13:34.46 | busternoob2 | gotta read up on exporting |
| 13:35.30 | flrnd | doing that you shouldn't edit or do anything else because that would override the video mode |
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| 13:48.36 | flrnd | is there a debian-offtopic channel where I can rant? X) |
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| 13:49.51 | oxek | flrnd: #debian-offtopic |
| 13:52.48 | flrnd | thanks |
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| 13:55.50 | tarzeau | there is #debian-rant |
| 13:55.58 | tarzeau | on another irc network |
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| 14:01.36 | oxek | there's also /dev/null |
| 14:01.42 | oxek | which might be the most useful place for rants |
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| 14:03.24 | flrnd | my favourite |
| 14:03.37 | flrnd | because rants are pointless crap in reality |
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| 14:05.16 | spaceone | i have a problem with imagemagick (convert): https://bpa.st/NQBA â any ideas which dependencies i am missing? |
| 14:06.36 | flrnd | spaceone: try this sudo apt-get install librsvg2-bin |
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| 14:09.29 | spaceone | flrnd: thanks! this worked |
| 14:09.36 | flrnd | nice! |
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| 14:09.58 | spaceone | i had already installed librsvg2-2 and librsvg2-common. |
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| 14:14.48 | ychaouche | hello #debian |
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| 14:16.28 | flrnd | \o/ hello |
| 14:19.01 | ychaouche | I have the suspicion that the snmpd package ships with a wrong config file |
| 14:19.26 | ychaouche | I can see lines like this : |
| 14:19.27 | ychaouche | Mar 24 15:09:33 cloud snmpd[22311]: /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf: line 168: Warning: Unknown token: defaultMonitors. |
| 14:19.27 | ychaouche | Mar 24 15:09:33 cloud snmpd[22311]: /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf: line 169: Warning: Unknown token: linkUpDownNotifications. |
| 14:19.53 | flrnd | if that's the case, try to fill a bug report |
| 14:20.10 | ychaouche | I have purged the package and will install it again |
| 14:20.20 | ychaouche | to start on a new slate |
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| 14:20.43 | ksk | !confnew |
| 14:20.43 | dpkg | [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>. |
| 14:21.07 | ychaouche | oh nice thanks ksk |
| 14:22.32 | ychaouche | I need to find the correct filter in strace to only get the executed binaries/scripts |
| 14:22.41 | busternoob2 | i was looking at the manual for the Dynex 720p TV . under the specs under the section TV/VGA: the metadata is "no" |
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| 14:24.28 | ksk | ychaouche: I use "-e open" in such cases. |
| 14:25.02 | ksk | oh, executed. nevermind me. the manpage should have something for you though I suppose. |
| 14:26.20 | ychaouche | execve I guess |
| 14:27.58 | MagnusOl | Hi will debian use xwayaland standalone package release 21 ?? |
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| 14:36.26 | b0t | Hello, i get a error 500 when I put any line in the htaccess file, if the file is empty I have no errors. |
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| 14:39.43 | aims | b0t have you checked for syntax errors in the file? |
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| 14:40.22 | aims | Given how broad 500 is error-wise, any syntax issues in your .htaccess will throw one up -- hence why an empty one doesn't. |
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| 14:40.57 | b0t | I have done it, just when I put a comment it gives an error, #comment |
| 14:41.13 | b0t | I cant write here |
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| 14:44.10 | filePeter | b0t: I guess you can actually⦠|
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| 14:47.11 | deicide- | !paste |
| 14:47.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
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| 14:49.33 | b0t | I change the permissions a get a 403... |
| 14:49.41 | omarek | I'm researching LVM on LUKS. I'd like to have most partitions on a SSD, but keep heavy data (games, music etc) on my HDDs. I think luksFormat can only make a LUKS partition on a single device? |
| 14:50.03 | omarek | Which would mean I would have to type 2 passphrases when booting my computer just for encryption purposes. |
| 14:51.30 | omarek | I can't find good documentation for LUKS volumes/containers, all I find is tutorials and guides. |
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| 14:53.04 | cws | omarek: you can make it so that the passphrase entered for the first container is attempted for subsequent containers. |
| 14:53.05 | omarek | I don't want the full specification either. I'm not implementing LUKS . |
| 14:53.19 | cws | That behavior MAY even be the default, I don't recall. |
| 14:54.35 | omarek | cws: Either way the LVM on LUKS can't make the LVM span multiple drives, right? THat's fine but could be better. |
| 14:55.15 | cws | Sure it could. Create a LUKS container on each physical disk, then create an LVM volgroup that spans the containers. |
| 14:55.23 | cws | One passphrase unlocks both containers, and off you go. |
| 14:55.38 | omarek | cws: Where can I find more information on the "same passphrase" feature? |
| 14:55.46 | cws | That may actually be the default behavior. |
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| 14:57.38 | omarek | cws: That sounds like LUKS on LVM, not LVM on LUKS. |
| 14:57.56 | cws | LUKS is LUKS. |
| 14:58.04 | cws | It doesn't actually matter which one is on top. |
| 14:58.19 | cws | Containers still have to be unlocked. |
| 14:58.40 | omarek | cws: I think if LVM is the top one then someone could potentially see how many logical volumes you have. |
| 14:59.00 | cws | Which gives them what? |
| 14:59.21 | omarek | Whereas if you put LVM inside LUKS, it's completely opaque. According to Arch wiki. |
| 14:59.36 | cws | Okay, great. Again, what does that get an attacker? |
| 14:59.49 | oxek | omarek: definitely not completely opaque |
| 14:59.54 | oxek | VGs are still revealed |
| 15:00.03 | oxek | because of how grub is configured |
| 15:00.40 | oxek | anyway, passphrase on boot unlocks /etc that contains keys that unlock further disks - that way you only need to type the passphrase only once |
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| 15:01.17 | another | you could also store a keyfile in initrd if your initrd is encrypted |
| 15:01.35 | oxek | yes |
| 15:01.40 | another | there was also some other method.. hold onb |
| 15:01.50 | omarek | Okay, I found it. keyscript=decrypt_keyctl |
| 15:02.00 | oxek | 100 ways to skin a cat |
| 15:02.02 | omarek | crypttab |
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| 15:02.44 | another | https://cryptsetup-team.pages.debian.net/cryptsetup/README.keyctl.html |
| 15:03.01 | another | hah! beat me to it |
| 15:03.12 | b0t | I need to know how to enable htaccess and not have problems, I do not understand what happens |
| 15:04.08 | greycat | https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/howto/htaccess.html |
| 15:04.26 | ratrace | b0t: your question is extremely vague |
| 15:04.53 | b0t | I get a error 500 when I put any line in the htaccess file, if the file is empty I have no errors. |
| 15:04.56 | ratrace | furthermore, there's #httpd here on freenode with much more apache experts (your question is ontopic here too) |
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| 15:05.27 | ratrace | b0t: sounds like you're putting a wrong line in your htaccess file |
| 15:05.39 | b0t | AH00171: Graceful restart requested, doing restart |
| 15:05.56 | b0t | I have done it, just when I put a comment it gives an error, #comment |
| 15:06.30 | imMute | ratrace: he's +q in #httpd |
| 15:06.40 | b0t | *----> <IfModule not allowed here |
| 15:06.51 | greycat | The first google result for your message says, in part, "Graceful restart requested is normal in Apache -- part of crontab rotation." |
| 15:07.12 | ratrace | imMute: so that says a lot |
| 15:07.18 | b0t | The error is: <IfModule not allowed here |
| 15:07.22 | ratrace | just like the nature of this question |
| 15:07.27 | greycat | So don't put IfModule there. |
| 15:09.46 | omarek | oxek: I know I could make it so /boot is on a removable USB drive, but I'm not aiming for perfection. I can find a way to encrypt /boot later. |
| 15:10.08 | omarek | It's a stationary computer so I would most likely just leave the USB stick plugged in. |
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| 15:14.17 | ratrace | omarek: just a word of caution with /boot on usb stick. have a backup clone. |
| 15:17.05 | b0t | Maybe we can start from 0 and leave the jokes |
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| 15:18.55 | b0t | In /etc/apache2/sites-available/ i have the default config and my site config |
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| 15:19.24 | b0t | Can they get in the way of each other? |
| 15:21.13 | dob1 | is 23 september 1979 related to something in linux/unix date calculation? I am having problem with a program when it run some calculation on this date and before |
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| 15:23.09 | greycat | wooledg:~$ date +%s -d '1979-09-23 00:00:00' |
| 15:23.10 | greycat | 306907200 |
| 15:23.16 | greycat | Does not look magical to me. |
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| 15:24.22 | dob1 | dunno, just asking |
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| 15:25.21 | ratrace | b0t: yes, the config files are all included into one httpd.conf |
| 15:25.55 | ratrace | so depending on the order at which they're included, one may override the settings of another |
| 15:26.27 | ratrace | the usual pattern is to have one virtualhost defined per file so typically they're independent |
| 15:26.58 | greycat | (which is why the directory is named "sites-enabled", "site" = "virtual host") |
| 15:28.31 | b0t | I put <Directory /> Options FollowSymLinks AllowOverride All Require all granted </Directory> |
| 15:28.34 | b0t | And work |
| 15:28.36 | EdePopede | b0t: seems you have to get to the point the get an understanding on the general structure of the config (Context) and how to read where you can put which directives. oh and btw, in #httpd they'd definitely tell you to not use .htaccess at all ;) |
| 15:29.04 | greycat | the documentation I linked also strongly recommended not using it |
| 15:29.13 | ratrace | b0t: are those in a virtualhost context/scope? |
| 15:29.16 | b0t | The error was there |
| 15:29.26 | imMute | greycat: don't for get to nuke $TZ. but even with that the number doesn't look magical either. |
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| 15:29.42 | b0t | #:#ratrace: Yes |
| 15:29.53 | EdePopede | they seem to underrate the number of changes people have to do until it works if it's not their daily business. including typos :) |
| 15:29.54 | ratrace | b0t: so maybe pastebin the config file that's erroring out |
| 15:30.04 | ratrace | !pastebin |
| 15:30.04 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 15:30.07 | greycat | imMute: if it had been within 100k seconds of something like a new power of 10, then yeah |
| 15:30.26 | ratrace | EdePopede: but .htaccess has its uses |
| 15:30.58 | ratrace | EdePopede: biggest use case is customer retention. "I don't care about your security policy! OverThereHosting has cpanel and they allow .htaccess. good bye!" |
| 15:31.22 | cws | cpanel is already a huge warning sign |
| 15:31.28 | ratrace | yea :) |
| 15:31.47 | EdePopede | ratrace: i came to use it until everything works, so i don't have to restart all the time. and then when (can't recall the directive) i want some text for entries. directory listings also can be informative. |
| 15:32.01 | ratrace | many PHP apps come with .htacess in their installation tarballs and they're "premade" to just FTP upload and run JustLikeThat(tm) |
| 15:33.05 | cws | If you're allowing directory listings, you are wrong. |
| 15:33.23 | cws | The sole exception being directories MEANT for people to download files from, like iso/package mirrors. |
| 15:33.24 | greycat | I disagree with that. |
| 15:33.47 | greycat | ... and of course you revert your statement while I'm addressing it |
| 15:33.54 | ratrace | :) |
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| 15:34.40 | ratrace | I miss RewriteCondition in nginx so much, though. |
| 15:35.08 | EdePopede | also something they'd first ask you if you REALLY need it ;) |
| 15:35.11 | EdePopede | (mod_rewrite) |
| 15:36.08 | EdePopede | and ofc it should be no problem to use a static site generator instead of directory listings, would be even more flexible. |
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| 15:37.04 | fourstepper | hi, in buster, I am trying to reload keepalived. it's service file contains the following reload command: `ExecReload=/bin/kill -HUP $MAINPID` |
| 15:37.28 | ratrace | EdePopede: of course you need it. People wouldn't invent it and use it for decades if there was no use :) |
| 15:37.32 | fourstepper | nevermind, my bad |
| 15:37.56 | EdePopede | ratrace: "it has its usage cases." ;) |
| 15:38.02 | ratrace | sure :) |
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| 15:40.35 | EdePopede | btw, static site generators. is there a project to add debtags to packages? i've been looking for some similar packages in the past a few times already (like wikis and relatives) and some of them were missing tags i would have expected, even more since similar packages had them. |
| 15:42.04 | EdePopede | i really like the option to create software lists by tags, like "wikis written in python" or "text editors for the terminal" |
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| 16:04.40 | alexrelis[m] | Anyone know how to encrypt a flash drive with files already in it? |
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| 16:06.01 | ratrace | alexrelis[m]: copy files somewhere, encrypt (create luks container, filesystem in it), copy files back |
| 16:06.58 | alexrelis[m] | ratrace: Is it possible to encrypt with the files still on the drive? |
| 16:07.01 | ratrace | or use this.... but.... I'd really just copy, luks, copy. https://www.johannes-bauer.com/linux/luksipc/ |
| 16:07.47 | ratrace | make sure you ahve backups.... in which case..... why not just copy the data... |
| 16:08.54 | oxek | alexrelis[m]: create a container file on the drive, move files into container, zero out space outside of container? |
| 16:09.29 | alexrelis[m] | Okay thanks. |
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| 16:09.53 | omarek | ratrace: Im going to have a data backup, especially that it appears a data backup is a good workaround for corrupted LUKS headers. |
| 16:10.11 | omarek | In which case even knowing the passphrase is not enough. A bit odd. |
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| 16:11.28 | oxek | ratrace: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=979971 |
| 16:11.30 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/979971 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: luksipc -- ROM; abandoned upstream; cause data loss»; severity: normal; opened: 2021-01-12; last modified: 2021-03-09. |
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| 16:14.03 | oxek | in short, use cryptsetup-reencrypt |
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| 16:21.49 | ratrace | oxek: good to know, thanks. |
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| 16:26.35 | jelly | how do I allow a specific user or group to look at journalctl -u interesting.service |
| 16:26.47 | jelly | without giving them root shell? |
| 16:27.11 | jelly | things to note: 1) journalctl runs less by default 2) less has !sh |
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| 16:42.56 | hejux | i use "ip route add local 0/0 dev lo table 100" to create a rule. but after unplug the rj45 cable, this rule will disappear, any reason why? |
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| 16:44.46 | maxtim | I'm trying to follow the instruction to install debian on a mirrored zfs using these instructions: https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Debian/Debian%20Buster%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html but the installtion doesn't load |
| 16:45.27 | jelly | ,v systemd |
| 16:45.28 | judd | Package: systemd on amd64 -- jessie: 215-17+deb8u7; jessie-security: 215-17+deb8u13; stretch-security: 232-25+deb9u11; stretch: 232-25+deb9u12; stretch-backports: 241-5~bpo9+1; buster: 241-7~deb10u6; buster-proposed-updates: 241-7~deb10u7; buster-backports: 247.3-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 247.3-3; sid: 247.3-3 |
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| 16:46.01 | maxtim | I suspect the problem has to do with the /boot partition. When I `mount /boot` according to the troubleshooting section, mount reports: can't find in /etc/fstab |
| 16:46.33 | omarek | Hey I'm trying to install bullseye from USB on an nvme drive. I can't switch the 'bootable' flag on. It just won't budge, no message. |
| 16:46.52 | omarek | My motherboard supports booting from NVME https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B550M%20Pro4/index.asp#Specification |
| 16:47.12 | omarek | The drive is in the correct slot (M2_1) |
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| 16:47.43 | omarek | The steps I use: 1) create a new GPT partition table on the drive, 2) create an ext4 /boot partition (before I set up encryption or LVM) |
| 16:48.03 | omarek | 3) try pressing the 'bootable' flag, which defaults to 'off'. |
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| 16:49.30 | omarek | This is the drive (I have the 256 GB variant) https://www.goodram.com/en/products/irdm-m-2-ssd/ |
| 16:50.27 | omarek | The screen flickers and it remains off. I've tried both advanced installer and advanced graphical installer. The ISO is an usual netinst. |
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| 17:02.45 | ratrace | omarek: there's no bootable tag for GPT afaik. are you confusing that with bios_grub partition flag? |
| 17:03.04 | cws | ratrace: You are correct. That's an MBR thing. |
| 17:03.20 | jelly | to answer myself, #systemd says they added LESSSECURE=1 env.var. to journalctl in August 2020. This will not be in stretch. Or buster. Maybe bullseye will allow for a safe "sudo journalctl -u some.service" |
| 17:03.46 | ratrace | omarek: btw, from the previous convo: the reason I recommend a backup clone of your usb, is that, at least in my experience, those things tend to die after a year or so and having a clone saves you the effort of creating another /boot elswhere |
| 17:04.18 | jelly | you know what's really fun? What you have the whole OS on that stick, not just /boot |
| 17:04.23 | ratrace | jelly: tl;dr on what does that do, or should I really go ask mr. google |
| 17:04.27 | jelly | s/What/When/ |
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| 17:05.04 | jelly | ratrace, the goal was to safely give developers ability to look at logs for one specific service |
| 17:05.12 | ratrace | jelly: I used to have that. full debian installation for rescue. died within 6 months. switched to a 2.5" shucked usb disk I always carry around |
| 17:05.25 | ratrace | jelly: "safely"? |
| 17:05.58 | jelly | ratrace, you can't do that by giving them sudo journalctl -u some.service, because journalctl runs less. less has !sh |
| 17:06.22 | sney | jelly: does adding a user to the 'systemd-journal' group not work for you? on one of my buster vms, I just tested this and my regular user is able to e.g. 'journalctl -u ssh.service' |
| 17:06.39 | jelly | sney, that gives them ability to read ALL logs in journal |
| 17:07.00 | sney | ohh, you want *exclusively* the service in question. got it. |
| 17:07.03 | jelly | also bad, only slightly less bad |
| 17:07.19 | jelly | it's not an immediate root shell |
| 17:07.51 | ratrace | ach so |
| 17:08.14 | jelly | ratrace, I put grml.org on a 16GB stick in 2005 or so, it just. Won't. Die. |
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| 17:08.56 | jelly | it seems they live longer if you only/mostly read |
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| 17:11.41 | omarek | ratrace: I'm not going to have a /boot on USB. Just a plain unencrypted /boot, then maybe later follow one of the guides to encrypt it. And just back up data on my external drive as a workaround. |
| 17:12.46 | omarek | Okay, so the 'boot' flag is a relict of the past and GPT doesn't need it. |
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| 17:12.56 | omarek | Or rather grub doesn't need it, I think. |
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| 17:13.55 | omarek | My mobo came pre-upgraded to BIOS version 1.4 as opposed to the usual 1.1 |
| 17:17.18 | ratrace | jelly: wrote once and never again? I think what killed my USBs is monthly update runs |
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| 18:22.13 | cub3s_ | Currently to see a LUKS encrypted partition's name (label), I have to decrypt it first. |
| 18:22.25 | cub3s_ | Is there a way to set an "outer" label, so I see the label beforehand? |
| 18:22.30 | cub3s_ | Before decrypting, that is. |
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| 18:24.38 | ratrace | cub3s_: yes, you can set PARTLABEL on the partition |
| 18:25.16 | ratrace | and I suppose you meant filesystem label, not partition lable, unless you have a GPT table inside your LUKS container |
| 18:25.55 | cub3s_ | as long as I see the name under "Other Locations" in Debian "Files" program, I'll be happy :) |
| 18:26.15 | cub3s_ | can i set this PARTLABEL in the Disks GUI program, or is some terminal command needed? |
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| 18:39.49 | ratrace | cub3s_: sorry, I don't know, I don't use GUIs |
| 18:40.11 | ratrace | but you can always use command line tools, yes. parted, gdisk, sgdisk, ... |
| 18:42.38 | cub3s_ | lol ok |
| 18:42.41 | cub3s_ | you're a serious player |
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| 19:00.42 | newbsduser | hi team, what is the best open source project for collecting sflow on Debian? I want to collect sflow traffic as ascii text file or redirect to syslog-ng. |
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| 19:13.32 | djp_ | trying to get a home web server running on debian buster. using nginx. receiving a forbidden rejected request from rfc1918 ip to public server address when i use the domain name. local ip of server works fine. |
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| 19:17.13 | cws | are you trying to hit the public address from inside? |
| 19:17.45 | jolt | djp_: do you have a router/gateway/nat thingie in front of the public ip? |
| 19:18.01 | djp_ | cws: yes. router is running openwrt. |
| 19:18.55 | jolt | djp_: and the question cws asked, how did you try and reach it? |
| 19:19.32 | djp_ | cws: jolt: yes, trying locally returns the reject message. |
| 19:19.52 | djp_ | jolt: if i try and connect from outside, then the connection is refused. |
| 19:19.55 | jolt | djp_: probably need hairpin port forward in the router for it to work. |
| 19:20.47 | jolt | djp_: lazy solution: let the inside DNS answer with the inside address so it works when you are home. Or search for hairpin setup in the firewall |
| 19:21.21 | djp_ | jolt: will look into hairpin port forwarding. thank you. |
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| 19:59.47 | disgrntld | Hey guys, I'm trying to get an ooold Debian project working (1.7). It was deployed to Heroku which uses a Procfile and environment vars (I have a local .env with my PostgreSQL connection info and a Procfile that spins up Gunicorn). My settings.py has `DATABASES['default'] = dj_database_url.config()` but that config method returns an empty object. |
| 19:59.48 | disgrntld | Does anyone have any guesses on how Django used to know about my .env? Maybe Foreman? |
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| 20:04.27 | jelly | disgrntld, how is this related to debian? Are you asking the right channel? |
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| 20:05.03 | disgrntld | jelly, oh no, my bad |
| 20:05.10 | disgrntld | indeed, wrong channel, sry everyone |
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| 20:05.32 | disgrntld | I was thinking Django |
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| 20:21.47 | jelly | it happens, np |
| 20:23.10 | ratrace | hai fren . my firefox can haz vuln ,how i make up to date pls? |
| 20:23.48 | alex11 | switch to chrome |
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| 20:24.05 | jelly | Help -> About Firefox -> check for updates |
| 20:24.07 | jelly | hides |
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| 20:26.27 | Anarchy7 | !dpkg buster sources.list |
| 20:26.27 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 20:26.51 | Anarchy7 | !dpkg stretch sources.list |
| 20:26.51 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 20:27.11 | ratrace | Anarchy7: y'know, you can /msg teh bot, take it out for a nice dinner, talk privately.... |
| 20:27.45 | Anarchy7 | thanks I didnt know |
| 20:28.07 | jmcnaught | Anarchy7: upgrading to stretch? |
| 20:28.57 | Anarchy7 | I want to upgrade to buster, on tutorial it said just change stretch -> buster. I couldnt believe came to verify |
| 20:29.35 | cws | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html |
| 20:29.40 | jmcnaught | Anarchy7: if you are on stretch already then it is recommended to follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes, and also see the what's new and issues to be aware of sections. |
| 20:29.46 | ratrace | Anarchy7: technically, yes. BUT, it's very, very wise to read the releaes notes and see what changed or if any additional steps are needed. frist and foremost, disable third party repos |
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| 20:31.35 | jem | Hi, anyone online? |
| 20:32.10 | cws | jem: Best to just ask your question. |
| 20:32.29 | Anarchy7 | Thanks Im checking the link! |
| 20:33.15 | jem | Thanks, cws |
| 20:34.03 | jem | Ok, I am working in a new installation in a newcomputer, the wifi is not detected but I just got a driver from Intel, it's an AX200 Wifi 6 |
| 20:34.09 | jem | new computer* |
| 20:34.37 | aims | Sharing https://rms-open-letter.github.io as it's relevant beyond mere Distros, and a number of Debian folk have signed too: https://rms-open-letter.github.io |
| 20:34.39 | jem | It's a tgz compressed and the page says "copy to /lib/firmware" and that's it |
| 20:35.04 | jem | So, should I compress? reboot? execute anything else? |
| 20:35.11 | ratrace | jem: I'd check first if those firmwares are already packaged in debian |
| 20:35.38 | jem | Ok, ratrace, just by the same name that Intel gives? |
| 20:35.47 | jem | It's very strange indeed |
| 20:35.49 | ratrace | jem: possibly, I'd start with that |
| 20:35.55 | jem | Ok, let me check |
| 20:36.10 | ratrace | jem: but ... if firmware is needed, maybe there's a trace in dmesg with kernel modules already trying, and not finding them dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 20:36.36 | ratrace | otherwise just plopping random files under /lib wont work unless the kernel wants them |
| 20:36.42 | jmcnaught | jem: AX200 support was added to Linux 5.1. Debian 10/stable/buster includes Linux 4.19. You will need to install linux-image-amd64 and firmware-iwlwifi from buster-backports. |
| 20:36.59 | jmcnaught | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 20:37.05 | ratrace | there you go |
| 20:41.04 | jem | jmcnaught: The kernel 5.10 was done and I have just discovered firmware-iwlwifi :) |
| 20:41.26 | jem | I guess I need to reboot |
| 20:41.41 | jem | (After installing firmware-iwlwifi) |
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| 20:50.26 | overyander | fresh install of mariadb on a fresh server. I ran mysql_secure_install then I followed the instructions at https://mariadb.com/kb/en/authentication-plugin-unix-socket/ to change from unix_socket to password-based auth via the alter user method. My client connects to the database via ssh and it works now but I can't connect locally if i run 'mysql -u root -p' what am i doing wrong? |
| 20:52.04 | aims | Seems more like a question for #maria |
| 20:52.52 | overyander | agreed but i hoped someone here might know. #maria is pretty dead and doesn't have near the number of users online. |
| 20:54.14 | ryouma | i am not sure that politics should be on this channel, but instead be on affiliated channels that are not for helping users |
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| 21:04.36 | aims | ryouma: nothing said was against the guidelines, and given it's something that has further-reaching implications than the FSF, it's relevant. I personally know of a number of people hesitant to get involved with Debian or any FLOSS projects because of such harassment and bigotry being allowed in FLOSS spaces. |
| 21:04.41 | jelly | overyander, does unix domain socket auth still work for root (that is, without -p)? |
| 21:04.57 | overyander | jelly, no |
| 21:04.59 | unixbsd | hi |
| 21:05.05 | jelly | hmmm |
| 21:05.16 | unixbsd | how to format with NTFS with ntfs version 3.1 the /dev/sda1? |
| 21:05.40 | rk4 | aims: looks like trash and i've only read the first line |
| 21:05.43 | overyander | from my client, i ran "SELECT user,authentication_string,plugin,host FROM mysql.user;" and i can see that the plugin was changed to 'mysql_native_password' |
| 21:06.01 | ryouma | !ops |
| 21:06.02 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
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| 21:07.00 | aims | rk4: everyone's entitled to their opinions, but that response is neither conducive to discourse, nor helpful. Doesn't quite fit rule 1 (be respectful) |
| 21:07.08 | jelly | aims, keep the traffic in here for tech support please |
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| 21:08.58 | aims | Is opping-up meant to intimidate? It seems entirely unnecessary (but then, so does invoking ops when there wasn't a guideline or rule violation -- I wasn't aware you could invoke ops to push your personal opinions, I'll try to remember that in future.) |
| 21:09.21 | ratrace | oh the hypo crisy! |
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| 21:09.39 | aims | ratrace: I shared a link, I offered no opinion. |
| 21:09.39 | jelly | aims, it's meant to show I'm an op, and I'm telling you to keep it to tech support topics please |
| 21:09.59 | jelly | nothing more, nothing less |
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| 21:10.08 | aims | I'm aware you're an op, flexing your muscles proves nothing other than a seeming attempt to intimidate. |
| 21:10.32 | aims | shrugs |
| 21:10.33 | ratrace | > imposes politics on a tech channel > gets upset when imposition countered with an @ lolololol. /offtopic |
| 21:10.36 | jelly | moving on |
| 21:10.49 | aims | ratrace: imposed nothing, Karen |
| 21:10.57 | jelly | further meta will result in kicks or mutes |
| 21:11.06 | jelly | you get one warning |
| 21:11.19 | aims | Does that go just for me, or for the people chatting shit to me as well? Just curious. |
| 21:11.32 | jelly | everyone |
| 21:11.42 | aims | Appreciate the clarification. |
| 21:12.00 | abrotman | I just like the bagel attached to jelly ... |
| 21:12.22 | jelly | it's the only kind of bagel I can get my grubby hands on |
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| 21:20.06 | jelly | aims, when a channel is dead air like right now, it's okay to go with something offtopic. Less so when there's support going on. |
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| 21:22.16 | rk4 | this is a little different than offtopic, this is part of a culture war |
| 21:23.32 | jelly | I don't care what _kind_ of non-support offtopic it is |
| 21:24.00 | jelly | we have #debian-offtopic for all sorts of non-support stuff |
| 21:26.12 | jem | ratrace and jmcnaught, I just want to say thanks, firmware-iwlwifi worked perfectly, and then I was in a hurry |
| 21:27.03 | Anarchy7 | When I type sudo export LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8, I get command not found.. how can I install export? |
| 21:27.48 | rk4 | export is typically a shell builtin in bash |
| 21:28.01 | rk4 | what are you trying to do Anarchy7 |
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| 21:28.36 | Anarchy7 | IM trying to fix perl locale failed from https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/perl-warning-setting-locale-failed-in-debian-ubuntu/ |
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| 21:29.44 | jelly | Anarchy7, if that's happening during the release upgrade process, it'll get fixed on its own when all the parts if the new glibc are installed |
| 21:30.29 | jelly | Anarchy7, if it somewhere else, which command is it and can you pastebin the complete command and the full output? |
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| 21:31.52 | Anarchy7 | indeed I get this error while upgrading the dist |
| 21:32.06 | jelly | it's not a fatal error there at all |
| 21:32.12 | jelly | it's just annoying |
| 21:33.37 | jelly | it could have been avoided by either upgrading libc6 and locales and friends first, or by setting a locale override (eg. export LC_ALL=C _before_ starting it) |
| 21:34.03 | Anarchy7 | any recommendation for following errors : https://pastebin.pl/view/bf48dfab |
| 21:34.07 | Anarchy7 | mailman etc. |
| 21:34.14 | Anarchy7 | happened after upgrade command |
| 21:34.23 | jelly | that's not the complete output |
| 21:34.41 | jelly | have you run the whole thing inside script, like the release notes say? |
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| 21:36.42 | jelly | Anarchy7, if you don't have the whole output, try to at least collect the whole output when you run: "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install", to try fix dpkg and apt state after those errors during installation/upgrade. |
| 21:36.53 | Anarchy7 | https://pastebin.pl/view/bc07227c |
| 21:36.54 | Anarchy7 | I have this |
| 21:37.22 | jelly | huh |
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| 21:37.31 | jelly | your LANG value is incorrect |
| 21:37.50 | Anarchy7 | thats why I wanted to fix locale thing with export |
| 21:37.59 | jelly | Anarchy7, show the output of "locale" |
| 21:38.15 | yareckonirc | hi guys, I have a lenovo yoga 12 that had wifi under the debian live installer, but doesn't under either buster or bullseye installed |
| 21:38.37 | Anarchy7 | https://pastebin.pl/view/fe639060 |
| 21:38.40 | yareckonirc | seems like a firmware issue, but I don't see differences in lsmod or the dmesg output |
| 21:38.46 | abrotman | dpkg: tell yareckonirc about firmware images |
| 21:38.58 | jmcnaught | overyander: did you disable the unix_socket authentication in order to use passwords for non-root users? |
| 21:39.22 | yareckonirc | unfortunately, I believe I have the correct non-free packages installed |
| 21:39.41 | jelly | Anarchy7, well that's weird, both LANG and LANGUAGE values look broken. Try this: export LANG=C.UTF-8; unset LANGUAGE |
| 21:39.59 | yareckonirc | help checking on what firmware the hardware needs or kernel modules etc is what I am here for |
| 21:40.02 | overyander | jmcnaught, no, i switched from unix_socket to mysql_native_password. |
| 21:40.04 | jelly | Anarchy7, and then "dpkg --configure -a" again |
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| 21:40.27 | Anarchy7 | this time no error but also no output or any info msg |
| 21:40.34 | jelly | good |
| 21:40.35 | yareckonirc | where can I look to see what firmware my system things it could be loading |
| 21:40.56 | sney | yareckonirc: there's a tool called isenkram that can look at your devices and tell you |
| 21:40.59 | yareckonirc | this is an intel wifi card btw, I am unused to having to work to hard with them |
| 21:41.08 | yareckonirc | sney, I will take a look |
| 21:41.21 | overyander | jmcnaught, i'm not understanding how with the password plugin i can log in via ssh using my client but i can't when i ssh in to the system. |
| 21:41.38 | jelly | Anarchy7, now rerun "apt -f install" and try the upgrade commands again to see if there's something that hasn't been upgraded |
| 21:43.48 | Anarchy7 | @jelly 2 errors after configure https://pastebin.pl/view/16105e43 |
| 21:44.02 | Anarchy7 | shall I proceed with -f install? |
| 21:45.33 | abrotman | yareckonirc: lspci -nn will give the PCIID, which can help us .. or maybe look in /var/log/messages |
| 21:45.37 | jmcnaught | overyander: I meant did you switch from unix_socket to mysql_native_password because you wanted to give normal users passwords? Because that would be unnecessary. |
| 21:45.56 | yareckonirc | ok abrotman, will do |
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| 21:49.35 | overyander | jmcnaught, i switched because i need a local application that unfortunately runs as root to have access to the local db and I need to be able to access the same db using the same user using my client remotely (datagrip). i am not exposing the db server port, all connections are local |
| 21:49.43 | jelly | Anarchy7, which kernel is running right now? |
| 21:51.23 | Anarchy7 | 3.14.32-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 |
| 21:51.25 | overyander | jmcnaught, i create a user 'someuser' and specified a password during creation. i did not specify a plugin. i can log in using this new user in datagrip over ssh but i can't log in with 'mysql -u someuser -p' |
| 21:51.50 | jelly | Anarchy7, wow, that's REALLY old |
| 21:52.03 | jelly | no wonder iptables-nft does not work |
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| 21:52.30 | jelly | Anarchy7, try to "update-alternatives --config iptables", and switch back to legacy |
| 21:52.47 | yareckonirc | abrotman, here is the lspci out https://pastebin.com/eymsbgTy |
| 21:52.55 | Anarchy7 | can I update kernel`? |
| 21:52.58 | yareckonirc | woops |
| 21:53.09 | overyander | jmcnaught, i appreciate the help but i have to dc and head home. i'll be back on in a bit. |
| 21:53.09 | yareckonirc | not a bad woops, I just ran -vvv |
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| 21:53.38 | jelly | Anarchy7, yes, if you have bare metal or full virtualization you can. But best fix dpkg and apt state before reboot or doing anything else |
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| 21:54.00 | abrotman | yareckonirc: also, don't use pastebin.com |
| 21:54.05 | abrotman | yareckonirc: we need -n |
| 21:54.16 | abrotman | dpkg: paste |
| 21:54.16 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
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| 21:54.49 | yareckonirc | roger on both |
| 21:56.08 | Anarchy7 | after switching to legacy update/upgrade didnt give error |
| 21:56.33 | jelly | Anarchy7, did "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt -f install" finish without errors? |
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| 21:56.48 | yareckonirc | abrotman, https://paste.debian.net/1190880/ |
| 21:58.12 | Anarchy7 | both commands were run without error this time |
| 21:58.16 | jelly | good |
| 21:58.39 | yareckonirc | What I get in gnome is just an empty network list, or the message that no wifi hardware is found |
| 21:58.47 | Anarchy7 | does this mean my dpkg and apt is fine? |
| 21:59.12 | yareckonirc | lsmod and lspic both agree though: Kernel driver in use: iwlwifi |
| 21:59.34 | jelly | Anarchy7, yes. Now let's see whether you're likely to be able to boot a distro kernel, to figure out what kind of virtualization is going on, you can install "imvirt" and run the same command. What does it say? |
| 22:01.03 | Anarchy7 | with the same command you mean dpkg -- configure -a and the -f install? |
| 22:01.20 | jelly | I mean install imvirt and run imvirt, sorry |
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| 22:02.20 | jelly | you got dpkg and apt into consistent state and they don't complain any more, that's what "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt -f install" were for |
| 22:02.58 | Anarchy7 | output : Physical |
| 22:03.26 | abrotman | yareckonirc: and you're working with buster or bullseye? |
| 22:03.55 | jelly | Anarchy7, I guess you can go install linux-image-amd64 and try to reboot, then |
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| 22:04.35 | Anarchy7 | apt-get install linux-image-amd64? |
| 22:05.26 | yareckonirc | It worked with the buster live install image + nonfree on a usb stick, but failed to work once installed. I thought that maybe it was the installer newer than base debian, so upgraded to bullseye to get a newer kernel, still no luck |
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| 22:05.38 | yareckonirc | it's a new machine, so am willing to try most things |
| 22:05.50 | abrotman | yareckonirc: should be "iwlwifi", so you'll need iwlwifi-firmware |
| 22:06.03 | abrotman | erm, firmware-iwlwifi |
| 22:06.15 | yareckonirc | yes, but that is there |
| 22:06.18 | abrotman | but you can "modinfo iwlwifi | grep 095B" to see if it should be supported |
| 22:06.19 | yareckonirc | lemme check once more |
| 22:06.51 | abrotman | If not, you can try to grab the backports kernel, plus the firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 22:07.25 | yareckonirc | well I ge t a list of pci ids, back |
| 22:08.12 | yareckonirc | hmmm, it will suck to get buster installed with a backports kernel, then bullseye breaks it in a couple months |
| 22:08.17 | yareckonirc | but will try it |
| 22:08.48 | abrotman | you can go to bullseye now .. it's frozen, so should be relatively reasonable (though no security support) |
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| 22:09.49 | yareckonirc | yes, but bullseye doesn't work with muh wifi :) |
| 22:10.04 | yareckonirc | that WAS my plan |
| 22:11.02 | yareckonirc | this is some weird thing I'm gonna figure out a couple weeks into using one of those tiny wifi dongle things in the meantime no doubt |
| 22:11.14 | jelly | Anarchy7, yes |
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| 22:11.58 | Anarchy7 | thanks , would sudo apt full-upgrade also upgrade kernel? |
| 22:11.58 | apt | gern geschehen, Anarchy7 |
| 22:12.08 | jelly | Anarchy7, only if that package is already installed |
| 22:12.23 | abrotman | yareckonirc: did you install the firmware and reboot ? |
| 22:12.53 | yareckonirc | yeah |
| 22:13.01 | Anarchy7 | ok Im completing my buster upgrade now and will check after reboot the kernel version again |
| 22:13.03 | yareckonirc | https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 22:13.40 | jelly | Anarchy7, which cpu is there? You might also want to install microcode for it, but you need non-free repo section enabled to be able to install packages for amd or intel cpus |
| 22:13.42 | yareckonirc | # modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi just says Fatal module iwlwifi is in use |
| 22:13.49 | yareckonirc | but I have rebooted |
| 22:14.11 | jelly | Anarchy7, do you have console access, in case reboot fails? |
| 22:15.11 | yareckonirc | oh, how to you see the green scrollies from the boot process again... what log is that? |
| 22:15.24 | abrotman | yareckonirc: are you sure it's not working ? |
| 22:15.29 | yareckonirc | there is one red scrolly in there, probably nothing, but I want to check |
| 22:15.36 | abrotman | yareckonirc: dmesg | grep iwlwifi |
| 22:16.32 | Anarchy7 | @jelly if you mean the machine is physically near me : No, I will have to ask my host... |
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| 22:18.14 | jelly | Anarchy7, some servers have remote access to console and power and reset buttons. If you're not that lucky, tread carefully |
| 22:18.26 | yareckonirc | abrotman, https://paste.debian.net/1190883/ |
| 22:19.04 | yareckonirc | the reason I say it is not working is that it doesn't show a list of networks, and the gnome wifi panel says no adapter found |
| 22:19.18 | yareckonirc | both of these things were different in the live usb stick prior to install |
| 22:19.46 | yareckonirc | the failed to load yoyo.bin is a known harmless issue on these cards |
| 22:19.59 | yareckonirc | unfortunately not a smoking gun |
| 22:20.30 | abrotman | seems like it's working .. |
| 22:20.41 | abrotman | how did you determine it's not showing networks? |
| 22:20.46 | Anarchy7 | it is a kimsufi from OVH, I actually dont remember using such feature, need to check it. |
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| 22:21.14 | jelly | well at least it's not burned down |
| 22:21.19 | jelly | hides |
| 22:21.54 | abrotman | yareckonirc: iwlist wlp4s0 scanning |
| 22:22.08 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 22:22.09 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-5-686 (5.10.24-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-4-686 (5.10.19-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.10.13-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-14-686-pae (4.19.171-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.14-686 (4.19.171-2~deb9u1); jessie- |
| 22:22.10 | judd | backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 22:22.49 | Anarchy7 | here is my CPU https://pastebin.pl/view/f6c7acea |
| 22:23.08 | yareckonirc | abrotman: interface doesn't supprt scanning : Network is down |
| 22:23.44 | yareckonirc | Computer, raise shields, uh network |
| 22:23.45 | jhutchins | Did we explore dmesg for firmware issues? |
| 22:23.46 | abrotman | do you have a switch for toggling the device? |
| 22:23.59 | abrotman | I mean, if you want to try backports kernel/firmware, don't let us stop you :) |
| 22:24.00 | yareckonirc | I have a keyboard switch |
| 22:24.20 | abrotman | try toggling it maybe? |
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| 22:25.26 | jelly | magic / more magic |
| 22:25.29 | CrystalMath | LONG LIVE RICHARD STALLMAN! |
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| 22:25.46 | jelly | what is it with idiots today |
| 22:25.50 | yareckonirc | i get a usb disconnect device 3 when toggling off, and a lot of stuff about my bluetooth adapter being found when toggling on |
| 22:26.01 | yareckonirc | they don't make idiots like they used to |
| 22:26.13 | jelly | true |
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| 22:27.08 | abff | rofl |
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| 22:30.15 | yareckonirc | abroman, maybe there is some bios / hardware mess on this device that is blocking the built in wifi, but it didn't block it from the installer stick |
| 22:30.28 | yareckonirc | also I just tried a usb wifi dongle and it works great |
| 22:30.37 | yareckonirc | so I am officially flumoxed |
| 22:31.40 | yareckonirc | will try to fool around in the bios, but feels like maybe an intel iwlbug in combination with a rf switch somehow? |
| 22:31.52 | yareckonirc | i dunno |
| 22:31.53 | abrotman | yareckonirc: do the backports .. |
| 22:31.58 | abrotman | dpkg: tell yareckonirc about buster backports |
| 22:32.15 | yareckonirc | alright, I am on a mission to do that then |
| 22:32.25 | abrotman | or go to bullseye |
| 22:32.34 | yareckonirc | dude, am on bullseye |
| 22:32.52 | abrotman | Buster or Bullseye? |
| 22:32.56 | yareckonirc | didn'T work on buster or bullseye one installed |
| 22:32.59 | abrotman | uname -r |
| 22:33.39 | yareckonirc | 5.10.0-4-amd64 |
| 22:33.47 | abrotman | then backports won't help |
| 22:34.40 | Anarchy7 | @jelly upgrade to buster successfully completed also reboot worked:) Â but kernel version is the same so shall I run now apt-get install linux-image-amd64 ? |
| 22:34.41 | jelly | wonder if that live image has a slightly older kernel |
| 22:34.50 | jelly | Anarchy7, yes |
| 22:35.28 | yareckonirc | maybe it did't will find out |
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| 22:36.34 | jelly | Anarchy7, and also install the appropriate microcode package, either amd64-microcode or intel-microcode |
| 22:36.56 | jelly | that thing plugs into initramfs |
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| 22:39.33 | jelly | you'll need |
| 22:39.39 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 22:39.39 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 22:47.27 | Anarchy7 | I installed linux-image-amg64 but the uname -r result is still the same : 3.14.32-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 |
| 22:47.55 | sney | reboot for kernel changes |
| 22:48.07 | Anarchy7 | I did reboot |
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| 22:48.48 | abrotman | VPS? |
| 22:48.50 | jelly | then you'll also need to figure out which boot loader is active and probably replace it |
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| 22:49.07 | jelly | imvirt said it was a physical machine |
| 22:49.12 | sney | that kernel version is odd, maybe something is overriding standard update-grub behavior. or one of those suggestions ^ |
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| 22:49.46 | Anarchy7 | how can I see the boot loader? |
| 22:50.02 | nicoz | debian_dsa: DSA-4874 firefox-esr https://t.co/HKZsGL5BN5 <---- new vulenerabilty |
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| 22:50.10 | jelly | Anarchy7, look at the console monitor while the system is booting :-) |
| 22:50.22 | Anarchy7 | haha cant :P |
| 22:50.23 | jelly | Anarchy7, failing that, care to pastebin "lsblk" and "ls -la /boot" and "dpkg -l grub\*|grep ^.i" |
| 22:50.46 | nicoz | vulnerability |
| 22:50.54 | nicoz | on firefox esr :| |
| 22:50.57 | nicoz | hi all |
| 22:51.47 | Anarchy7 | lsblk https://pastebin.pl/view/b264fef6 |
| 22:51.52 | sney | nicoz: yes, the fix was pushed to buster-security 4 hours ago. you may want to subscribe to debian-security-announce |
| 22:51.59 | nicoz | https://www.debian.org/security/2021/dsa-4874 |
| 22:52.03 | nicoz | yes |
| 22:52.18 | nicoz | vulenDate Reported: |
| 22:52.18 | nicoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.32 | yareckonirc | taking a look over here abrotman, https://access.redhat.com/discussions/3081141, and lshw -C network and the wifi is listed as DISABLED, but rfkill is showing no hard or soft blocks |
| 22:52.49 | sney | nicoz: ok, so it's been fixed in debian, do you need something else or are you just making sure we know? |
| 22:52.51 | yareckonirc | A node is marked as DISABLED if the node has been disabled by a configuration, some hardware failure, etc. |
| 22:52.51 | yareckonirc | Use dmesg to dump message relative to disabled device to find out what's going on. |
| 22:52.51 | abrotman | well, that's a WTF .. |
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| 22:53.08 | yareckonirc | weird as hell |
| 22:53.17 | yareckonirc | well the search continues, thanks for the help |
| 22:53.18 | Anarchy7 | ls -la /boot : https://pastebin.pl/view/a2aef365 |
| 22:53.24 | abrotman | maybe there is a trigger in the bios |
| 22:53.50 | yareckonirc | you'd think rfkill would know about that then |
| 22:53.59 | Anarchy7 | grub : https://pastebin.pl/view/8cb8c86b |
| 22:54.16 | yareckonirc | anyway gonna reboot back to the install stick and poke around to see if anthing is diffrent |
| 22:54.18 | nicoz | sney the vulnerability was published a while ago and I wanted to share it with you |
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| 22:55.01 | sney | ok. thank you for your attention. |
| 22:55.07 | nicoz | ;) |
| 22:55.42 | jelly | Anarchy7, well that's weird. is there a file named /boot/grub/grub.cfg? |
| 22:57.19 | Anarchy7 | @jelly yes the grub.cfg exists |
| 22:58.23 | jelly | Anarchy7, ok, perhaps there's a grub-legacy installed in the boot sector and still working, and that's how the machine boots right now |
| 22:59.25 | jelly | Anarchy7, two ways forward: you can either put grub-pc onto the disk, replacing the current boot loader and maybe breaking the boot process, or you can install grub-legacy and uninstall grub-pc* and grub-efi* stuff |
| 22:59.41 | jelly | if I had console access I'd go with grub-pc |
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| 23:00.38 | Anarchy7 | Im a bit scared editing boot configuration, the code in cfg is like 400 lines and I have no idea what they are doing :( |
| 23:00.44 | nicoz | good night all |
| 23:00.59 | jelly | yeah that sounds like a grub-legacy config file alright |
| 23:01.22 | jelly | it's not meant to be edited directly |
| 23:02.00 | Anarchy7 | yeah I also dont know what will happen if it gets replaced |
| 23:02.16 | jelly | Anarchy7, go ahead and uninstall grub-efi-amd64-bin grub-efi-amd64-signed, first |
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| 23:02.40 | Anarchy7 | whats the uninstall command? |
| 23:02.49 | jelly | apt remove ... |
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| 23:03.51 | ryouma | n.b. i think this is a relevant page for the first cve of the list. looks like oldstable (stretch) or testing (bullseye) not have fix yet. https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2021-23981 --- 15:51 <sney> nicoz: yes, the fix was pushed to buster-security 4 hours ago. you may want to subscribe to debian-security-announce |
| 23:04.12 | Anarchy7 | done |
| 23:04.19 | Anarchy7 | reboot? |
| 23:04.24 | jelly | ryouma, testing has no security support to speak of |
| 23:04.41 | jelly | Anarchy7, no, you haven't changed anything yet |
| 23:04.43 | ryouma | ah right |
| 23:04.52 | ryouma | oh, buyt it aalso says buster not fixed yet |
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| 23:05.10 | jelly | Anarchy7, now try to "grub-install /dev/sda" |
| 23:05.28 | nicoz | ryouma, cI think they will solve it shortly |
| 23:05.30 | ryouma | (so maybe p-age needs updating) |
| 23:05.45 | jelly | ryouma, buster (security)78.9.0esr-1~deb10u1fixed |
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| 23:05.57 | Anarchy7 | -bash: grub-install: command not found |
| 23:06.01 | nicoz | firefox-esr (78.8.0esr-1 |
| 23:06.12 | jelly | Anarchy7, are you root? |
| 23:06.24 | jelly | Anarchy7, if you use su to become root, use "su -" |
| 23:06.27 | jelly | !buster su |
| 23:06.27 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 23:06.39 | Anarchy7 | adding sudo worked |
| 23:07.13 | jelly | Anarchy7, also run "update-grub" for good measure |
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| 23:08.20 | Anarchy7 | done |
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| 23:09.37 | jelly | Anarchy7, now you have grub2 on that disk. If you try to reboot you'll see if it works |
| 23:09.47 | Anarchy7 | ok |
| 23:10.00 | jelly | and also it will default to booting the latest kernel from /boot |
| 23:10.04 | ryouma | jelly: ah right thanks |
| 23:10.22 | Anarchy7 | rebooting now |
| 23:10.36 | jelly | if it doesn't work, I'm off to sleep |
| 23:10.43 | jelly | :-D |
| 23:10.48 | Anarchy7 | Model name: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N2800 @ 1.86GHz thats my CPU so I have intel then I should install intel micro? |
| 23:11.18 | jelly | Anarchy7, what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say? |
| 23:11.40 | jelly | I'm not sure whether N2800 is 64bit |
| 23:11.48 | Anarchy7 | uname -r |
| 23:11.49 | Anarchy7 | 3.14.32-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 |
| 23:11.50 | Anarchy7 | :( |
| 23:12.16 | Anarchy7 | well when I run the grub-update it said found 3.14.32 along others |
| 23:12.26 | Anarchy7 | maybe takes the first one it found |
| 23:12.39 | Anarchy7 | but Im sleepy too and dont want to steal more of your time! |
| 23:12.43 | jelly | it picks the one with the latest version |
| 23:13.17 | jelly | well you got userspace refreshed, the kernel and boot loader can be left for tomorrow |
| 23:13.36 | jelly | or someone else can jump in |
| 23:13.43 | jelly | off |
| 23:13.46 | Anarchy7 | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 23:13.46 | dpkg | hurd-i386 |
| 23:13.46 | Anarchy7 | amd64 |
| 23:13.56 | jelly | that's 64bit, ok |
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| 23:14.02 | Anarchy7 | @jelly thanks a lot, you are right, see you tomorrow! |
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| 23:16.43 | Anarchy7 | !buster su |
| 23:16.44 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
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