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| 00:32.32 | cheapie | Huh, TIL Debian actually ships with the proper kernel modules for getting it up and running on a Vortex86DX3. |
| 00:33.23 | cheapie | Linux itself isn't the happiest about it ("CPU: vendor_id 'Vortex86 SoC' unknown, using generic init. Your system may be unstable.") but it seems to work. |
| 00:33.25 | dvs | 486DX3? X-D |
| 00:33.42 | cheapie | dvs: Hah, no, a lot newer than that. Came out in 2015 or so I think. |
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| 01:41.45 | alex11 | what can i do if kill doesn't kill a process? |
| 01:41.58 | alex11 | nvm there it goes |
| 01:42.18 | dvs | puts away his gun |
| 01:42.44 | Nik05 | alex11, depends on the signal you send |
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| 01:43.11 | alex11 | yeah i guess |
| 01:43.15 | alex11 | i need to man page read |
| 01:43.25 | Namarrgon | many programs catch SIGTERM and use it for cleanup before they quit |
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| 01:44.23 | Nik05 | You also have the SIGKILL signal, which kill doesnt send by default |
| 01:44.24 | Dude-Meister | Is Debian using System V init, or SystemD? |
| 01:44.45 | alex11 | systemd by default |
| 01:44.50 | cheapie | systemd by default, I think you can theoretically swap it out for sysvinit but a lot of stuff isn't installable if you do that. |
| 01:44.51 | imMute | Dude-Meister: systemd by default, but sysvinit ify ou want. |
| 01:45.21 | alex11 | tfw you answer first but the two successive answers are more useful |
| 01:45.56 | Dude-Meister | I asked because i found what i believe to be a very useful 6 hour and 41 minute tutorial on YouTube, and of corse, the learning curve - {ugh} |
| 01:46.09 | cws | Dude-Meister: on systemd? |
| 01:46.45 | cws | If so, it does not take a 7 hour youtube video to learn systemd. |
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| 01:48.13 | Dude-Meister | Yes. It seems clear (as mud) when he's discussing the two (within the forst 6 minutes of the course) that he's chosen to run SystemD. me, not knowing much, was concerned there may be totally different "calls" (or whatever the proper term is) because he's clearly chosed to rn SystemD, though he never actually says that. |
| 01:48.44 | Dude-Meister | He's also running CentOS, but it seems that's not going to cause the corse to be problemsatic. |
| 01:48.59 | Dude-Meister | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsh64rjnRas |
| 01:49.09 | cws | I'm going to skip the video, it does not take 7 hours to learn systemd. |
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| 01:49.44 | Dude-Meister | It's not just SystemD. It's a Linux system administration course. |
| 01:50.23 | cws | You keep capitalizing systemd, and its making me twitch. :P |
| 01:51.11 | Dude-Meister | Oh -0 I don't want to do that. |
| 01:52.08 | cws | So what exactly are you trying to learn? |
| 01:52.32 | cws | Just intro to linux sysadmin? |
| 01:52.36 | alex11 | i do think systemd could benefit from a beginner level 'here's how to do things quickly' thing but arch/gentoo wikis probably cover that lol |
| 01:52.50 | cws | I should write one. |
| 01:52.53 | Dude-Meister | cws, everything I need to never use Microsoft or Apple products ever again - VEER. |
| 01:52.59 | Dude-Meister | EVER* |
| 01:53.02 | Dude-Meister | :) |
| 01:53.05 | alex11 | veer |
| 01:53.13 | alex11 | do not veer into the land of microapple |
| 01:53.21 | cws | Dude-Meister: https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-linux |
| 01:53.29 | cws | It's free. Go nuts. |
| 01:53.44 | Dude-Meister | I'll scope it out. Thank you! |
| 01:53.51 | cws | It's from the Linux Foundation. |
| 01:53.51 | alex11 | debian wiki probably has a lot of what you need too but i'm too tired/lazy to check atm |
| 01:53.59 | cws | Probably better material than some Youtube rando. |
| 01:54.12 | alex11 | or the linux command line by william shotts is another decent book |
| 01:54.30 | Dude-Meister | Click the one I put up and take a look at the 22 chapter topics covered and you may say, "Yeah, that's pretty good," or not . . . but probably. |
| 01:54.59 | Dude-Meister | I've been using computers since 1980, but not as an IT pro or anything liek that. |
| 01:55.49 | Dude-Meister | Still, I know more than the average home user because - well - DNA decided I'm a nerd-type. {shrug} |
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| 01:56.14 | alex11 | like i agree systemd doesn't take 7 hours to learn but it's pretty daunting at first typing man systemd <tab tab> and having 100+ entries show up |
| 01:56.46 | cws | sure, but that's because you're getting all of the manpages for how to define service units, timer units, path units, etc. |
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| 01:56.52 | alex11 | i'm aware |
| 01:57.01 | alex11 | i just mean that for a beginner it looks like 'fuck this' |
| 01:57.33 | Dude-Meister | Like I saiud, this is something grazed across in the first 6 minutes of the first chapter "Linux Client Administration - Linux Installation Overview" covering |
| 01:58.07 | Dude-Meister | Typo-Master stikes again. |
| 01:58.21 | Dude-Meister | Typo-Meister? |
| 01:59.18 | Dude-Meister | Anyhow - it's real easy to click the link I put up, and look at the chapter listing. It could lead to better responses. |
| 01:59.26 | Dude-Meister | Just sayin |
| 02:00.11 | Dude-Meister | I was actually hoping people that know WAY more than me in the subject MAY find it a useful link for helping others. |
| 02:01.09 | Dude-Meister | I just popped in to make sure I'm not wasting nearly 7 hours learning something that doesn't apply, becuase I really don't know. |
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| 02:02.19 | Dude-Meister | So, the system init v vs initd was something I though it best to ask about. |
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| 02:04.25 | Dude-Meister | Woah. cws, the link you shot me is much appriciated. |
| 02:05.35 | Dude-Meister | Adding that verified certificate for $169 US is a real bargain too, it seems to me. |
| 02:05.49 | cws | I wouldn't. |
| 02:06.26 | Dude-Meister | I can understand that stance too, for sure. |
| 02:06.46 | Dude-Meister | It depends on what kind of cliwentel you're likely to serve though. |
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| 02:07.00 | cws | If you're going to spend $169 on a certificate that no one cares about, spend $200 on an actual certification that someone would recognize. |
| 02:07.02 | cws | https://training.linuxfoundation.org/certification/certified-it-associate/ |
| 02:07.33 | Dude-Meister | Farmers that have john Deer or Farmall Tractors Do like to see certifications if they really have NO real interest in coputers, eh? |
| 02:07.51 | Dude-Meister | Ah. IC. |
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| 02:12.23 | Dude-Meister | Okay, well, I've got some great material and really FAST answers on the whole init v vs initd thing. I'm going to plow through this course I found a couple times as the material is well presented, but now i also have some more material to follow up with. |
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| 02:13.35 | Dude-Meister | Thanks all, and especially you cws. Sorry I made you twitch. I'll stop IMMEDIATELY! lol |
| 02:14.37 | Dude-Meister | initd initd initd. Ahhhhhh. You're right. It was causing me trouble too, and I didn't even know I was creating the problem myself. 'Twas a close call! |
| 02:14.52 | Dude-Meister | L8R |
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| 10:31.03 | ratrace | 10.9 hitting the mirrors, folks.. |
| 10:35.43 | oxek | I'm scared |
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| 10:45.57 | ratrace | run for the hills! but wait! the hills have eyes! |
| 10:48.21 | wsky | stop dropping acid so often |
| 10:50.18 | cws | First thing in the morning, ratrace gets Iron Maiden stuck in my head. |
| 10:57.48 | EdePopede | better than an Iron Axe. |
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| 10:58.56 | aminvakil | i can't find release notes for 10.9 |
| 10:59.16 | aminvakil | is there any at all? |
| 11:00.33 | Flashtek | I have a question that's probably more general Linux centric rather than Debian, but as the system in quesiton runs on Debian I'll ask here and hope not to get slapped for it. I have a server with 2 x 2Tb disks in software RAID1, one is showing signs of gentle failure (from dmesg output). If I were to get one of the disks replaced, would I need do anything else (other than wait) to get the RAID back in play? (wondering about |
| 11:00.33 | Flashtek | copying partition table from sda (good) to new sdb (failing) etc) |
| 11:00.36 | EdePopede | not yet, but the dir is already there |
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| 11:03.58 | cws | Flashtek: To do a controlled replacement, fail-and-remove the disk via mdadm, replace the faulting disk, partition the new disk appropriately, then add the new drive to the mirror. |
| 11:04.01 | cws | Flashtek: https://www.thegeekdiary.com/replacing-a-failed-mirror-disk-in-a-software-raid-array-mdadm/ |
| 11:04.09 | cws | I don't normally link to random sites, but those are the correct steps. |
| 11:04.23 | oxek | what's "gentle failure"? |
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| 11:05.54 | oxek | beware when provisioning a new disk from another one - the reading of the other disk will very likely have at least 1 undetected read error, just due to statistics and disks being so huge nowadays |
| 11:06.12 | oxek | unless you're using a checksumming filesystem |
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| 11:07.17 | cws | Flashtek: Hope you have backups, yeah. |
| 11:08.08 | oxek | always remember, RAID is not backup |
| 11:08.43 | Flashtek | cws: thanks for the pointers, I'll take a read. and yeah, I know it's not backup (but better than nothing) |
| 11:08.50 | ratrace | %s/not backup/not proper backup/ |
| 11:09.09 | cws | They're not backups at all. Telling anyone that they are is doing them a disservice. |
| 11:09.24 | cws | If it's the live dataset your system is running on, it's not a backup. |
| 11:09.41 | ratrace | depends on how you define "backup" |
| 11:10.10 | cws | Can I restore my stuff if someone takes my entire running system and throws it in a volcano? |
| 11:10.12 | Flashtek | indeed it does... I totally take both sides depending on your definition |
| 11:10.21 | ratrace | what's the difference of having 2 disks in mirror versus having 1 disk in teh computer, and one "backup" USB disk on the shelf above it? |
| 11:10.40 | ratrace | the difference is: "few dozen centimeres". both are onsite. both are backups, but inadequate |
| 11:10.42 | cws | Flashtek: RAID is not backup. At all. Period. Ever. |
| 11:10.48 | ratrace | adequte backup is 3-2-1 |
| 11:10.52 | cws | Flashtek: Anyone telling you that it is is lying to you. |
| 11:11.04 | cws | Flashtek: And that's the end of that. |
| 11:11.09 | oxek | +1 |
| 11:11.14 | ratrace | it's not backup for all intents and purposes of "backing up data into a safe location for redundancy and recovery" |
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| 11:11.45 | oxek | it's not even a backup for the purposes of "oops I accidentally deleted a file" |
| 11:11.54 | ratrace | yeah, it's not. |
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| 11:11.58 | cws | Then its not backup. |
| 11:12.17 | oxek | yeah I think all of us agree RAID is not a backup :D |
| 11:12.18 | cws | That's the absolute minimum capability for anything considered a backup. If it can't even do that, then it isn't a backup. |
| 11:12.30 | cws | So don't tell people its "kind of" a backup. It's not a backup. |
| 11:13.02 | ratrace | cws: okay so by that definition a zfs raid1 with snapshots is backup because it DOES protect against "oops I deleted a file"? |
| 11:13.20 | cws | "if it can't even do that" doesn't mean that "if it can do this one thing, its a backup" |
| 11:13.53 | oxek | necessary vs sufficient |
| 11:13.54 | ratrace | you just said "absolute minimum capability for anything considered a backup". zfs raid w/ snapshots is that. redundancy, data csum for integrity, and archival with snapshots. |
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| 11:14.07 | ratrace | it is INSUFFICIENT backup because there's no offsite copy. |
| 11:14.10 | cws | What I ALSO said: |
| 11:14.12 | cws | 07:10 <cws> Can I restore my stuff if someone takes my entire running system and throws it in a volcano? |
| 11:14.22 | cws | Say it with me, ratrace: "RAID IS NOT A BACKUP." |
| 11:14.31 | cws | Stop telling people that it is. |
| 11:14.39 | ratrace | alright it's not. but it's better than 1 disk. esp with data csuming and snaps :) |
| 11:14.43 | cws | Not kind of, not a little, not "weeeeeell..." |
| 11:15.18 | cws | Oh, certainly. |
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| 11:15.59 | ratrace | and to some even 3-2-1 is not backup "enough", so it's nuances and level of shi...z you want to protect against. but okay, for ordinary meanings of backup it is not. |
| 11:16.06 | oxek | yet again, I don't see 10.9 at https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2021/threads.html |
| 11:17.24 | ratrace | oxek: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2021/03/msg00008.html |
| 11:18.17 | Flashtek | sorry for being the can openner... :-( I agree that RAID isn't a backup, but it's handy for situations like one disk failing in a server a few thousand miles away and wanting to keep things going 'till you can get the situation resolved. I will ensure I has tested backups before I do things. |
| 11:18.39 | oxek | ratrace: I see it is in a different list than I thought https://lists.debian.org/debian-stable-announce/2021/03/msg00000.html |
| 11:18.43 | oxek | debian-stable-announce |
| 11:18.51 | ratrace | mirrors near me already got it, upgrading my workstation r/n |
| 11:19.09 | oxek | I see you like to live dangerously |
| 11:19.33 | ratrace | my workstation is the primary canary for updates :) my BACKUP RAID1 BTRFS W/ SNAPS (mwahahahahah) protects against Dumb. |
| 11:19.44 | oxek | lol |
| 11:20.05 | ratrace | so when that turns out okay, I upgarde the backup servers (backup in 3-2-1 context), and then production. |
| 11:20.36 | ratrace | see I like nuances and contexts, not blanket statements. so I never disagreed with cws , I just prefer full context definitions. |
| 11:21.14 | ratrace | I understand normies don't see that and "backup" means only one thing: offsite copies you can restore from when someone chucks your whole house into a volcano. |
| 11:21.55 | ratrace | (which means the "backup USB disk you keep on the shelf" is not backup because the whole house got volcano'd) |
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| 11:22.03 | cws | And with the word "normie," you've chucked your whole credibility into that same volcano. |
| 11:22.13 | ratrace | obvs I'm an abnormie :) |
| 11:22.35 | ratrace | I meant normal folks who aren't into nuances and contexts. |
| 11:23.05 | raidghost | To detect multicast ip-adresses and the channel name, any good tool to put on eth0 for listening? So i dont have to guess every rtp://ip:5500 adress |
| 11:23.53 | oxek | what's wrong with 'normie'? |
| 11:25.11 | cws | oxek: In current usage, its a pejorative term for someone considered "mainstream." |
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| 11:25.49 | oxek | huh, that's news to me |
| 11:26.09 | oxek | I always thought it means "a regular/typical user" |
| 11:26.27 | ratrace | it's news to me too |
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| 11:26.51 | ratrace | then again witht he whole cancel culture and censors tying to rewrite how we use language in service of social justice ..... I don't care :) |
| 11:26.59 | abrotman | moving on ... |
| 11:27.04 | ratrace | moving on. |
| 11:27.51 | abrotman | And various versions of RAID are better at being considered a backup, but generally speaking, RAID is not a backup system |
| 11:28.59 | ratrace | I can agree with that. But all I meant initially was that a ZFS RAID1 with snapshots is euqal level of backup, even better due to data csum, than 1 disk in the computer, and a copy on the shelf above it. the difference is literally in centimeters. |
| 11:29.35 | ratrace | so if someone calls an USB disk ext4 on the shelf a "backup" of their single disk ext4 in teh computer 20 centimeters below.... if that's backup, so is zfs raid1 w/ snaps. |
| 11:30.05 | abrotman | RAID1 is closer to a "backup" .. 0+1 or 1+0 .. sure, also okay .. but 0/2/3/4/5 not so much |
| 11:30.28 | ratrace | 5 and 1 have same redundancy level tho |
| 11:30.48 | ratrace | ie one disk can die (assuming 2-way raid1, yes, there could be 3-way and then the math is off) |
| 11:31.41 | abrotman | 5 doesn't have redundancy, it has striping and parity |
| 11:31.53 | rudi_s | RAID: You delete a file, it's gone. I wouldn't consider that backup. |
| 11:31.56 | ratrace | the parity is redundancy. you can recreate data if 1 disk fails |
| 11:31.56 | abrotman | dpkg: baarf |
| 11:31.58 | dpkg | abrotman: I give up, what is it? |
| 11:32.01 | abrotman | grrr |
| 11:33.01 | abrotman | That's not "redundancy" .. |
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| 11:34.31 | abrotman | dpkg: baarf is <reply>Battle Against Any RAID Four/Five/Free - http://www.baarf.dk/BAARF/BAARF2.html |
| 11:34.32 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 11:34.44 | rudi_s | abrotman: RAID 1 has? |
| 11:34.48 | abrotman | (an older article that discusses some of the pitfalls |
| 11:34.49 | Flashtek | baarfffffffff |
| 11:34.51 | Flashtek | lol |
| 11:35.32 | abrotman | rudi_s: has what? |
| 11:35.43 | rudi_s | abrotman: "redundancy" |
| 11:36.00 | rudi_s | I'm just confused by "RAID1 is closer to a "backup" .. 0+1 or 1+0 .. sure, also okay .. but 0/2/3/4/5 not so much" |
| 11:36.43 | abrotman | rudi_s: RAID1 is a mirror system, there should be an exact copy on both drives/partitions |
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| 11:36.59 | abrotman | s/both/all disks included in the raid set/ |
| 11:37.30 | abrotman | You can have RAID1 with 17 drives/partitions/etc |
| 11:37.40 | rudi_s | abrotman: Sure. But so does RAID5/6/Z, not in an exact copy but in a way to reconstruct the data if a disk fails. |
| 11:38.33 | rudi_s | You said 5 doesn't have redundancy but listed RAID 1 as a backup so I assumed you'd give RAID 1 the property of "redundancy" and that got me confused. |
| 11:38.34 | abrotman | rudi_s: they don't contain an exact copy, they're striped and parity. You can reconstruct missing elements, but they're not redundant (in the dictionary sense) |
| 11:38.34 | Flashtek | fault tollerance, not backup |
| 11:38.54 | abrotman | if you have five disks in a RAID1, you can pull one out, and have all the data |
| 11:39.16 | rudi_s | abrotman: Ah, that's the definition of redundancy you're using. Right, that makes sense. |
| 11:40.11 | Flashtek | abrotman: same could be said about RAID5 (and others, but not 0) over 5 disks. |
| 11:40.32 | abrotman | Flashtek: eh? If you pull one disk from a RAID5 set, that single disk gets you nothing but broken bits |
| 11:40.52 | abrotman | the remaining disk set could rebuild the missing data from that single drive, but you can't use that single drive to get anything |
| 11:40.57 | Flashtek | sorry, I thought you meant pull one disk out and the other 4 keep going... |
| 11:41.01 | Flashtek | not had enough tea yet |
| 11:41.13 | wsky | value your tea |
| 11:41.20 | abrotman | (well, that depends on your definition of "anything", I'm sure the FBI would be happy to only have half your data if you're being investigated" |
| 11:41.21 | oxek | raid is not backup, raid is high-availability |
| 11:42.52 | abrotman | Don't get me wrong, various levels have their advantages, but that doesn't make them a "backup" |
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| 11:53.22 | oxek | where would I see reports of 10.9 breaking something? |
| 11:54.44 | abrotman | Reuters |
| 11:56.06 | ratrace | CNN might be quoting the Debian BTS instead of Reuters, tho |
| 11:57.51 | abrotman | oxek: you mean the entire point release, or an individual package? |
| 11:58.21 | oxek | abrotman: probably everything that has changed in 10.9 |
| 11:58.51 | abrotman | It might end up back in the -devel list or similar, but probably more likely just to end up in the BTS |
| 11:59.16 | oxek | since I see changes to intel-microcode, libreoffice, linux kernel, python, systemd, xterm, ... and all of those are fairly important to me |
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| 12:00.07 | abrotman | does anyone really use Python anymore? |
| 12:00.16 | ratrace | coughs politely while staring at abrotman |
| 12:00.34 | abrotman | Oh, right .. I do :) |
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| 12:15.48 | cws | All the time. |
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| 12:18.05 | digdilem | wait, python is real? |
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| 12:24.55 | abrotman | it's just a wrapper for Perl :) |
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| 13:09.11 | nifker | is firefox ESR 78.8 higher than 84.0-1 or lower? |
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| 13:10.25 | ratrace | nifker: it has no new features since 78.0 and most if not all bug/security fixes that are applicable to teh code shared between the two, if that's what you're asking because otherwise 78 < 84. |
| 13:11.07 | nifker | can I get some higher firefox version on debian without using sid? |
| 13:11.14 | ratrace | you can use snaps |
| 13:11.43 | nifker | no appimage? |
| 13:12.02 | ratrace | I don't know. I also don't know if there's flatpak. and you can always just unpack the upstream tarball .. but I wouldn't. |
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| 13:12.28 | nifker | I dont want to install it system-wide anyway |
| 13:12.44 | ratrace | you should't install it in your ~/ either |
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| 13:20.08 | oxek | nifker: or flatpak |
| 13:20.44 | oxek | more importantly, why would you want a higher firefox version? |
| 13:21.03 | oxek | firefox hasn't brought any new features in a few years |
| 13:21.11 | oxek | it's just moving buttons around, that's all |
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| 13:21.45 | oxek | (and still managing to consume $100M/year somehow) |
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| 13:22.40 | abrotman | not true at all |
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| 13:24.40 | abrotman | If you think FF hasn't introduced new features, you're not paying attention |
| 13:26.01 | oxek | I know every time a new FF is released, people are scrambling to find out how to disable whatever new feature it introduces |
| 13:26.25 | oxek | and if one runs FF with disabled javascript, then yeah FF has not introduced anything new in over a decade |
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| 13:28.46 | abff | ah yes "features", forced and user hostile |
| 13:29.26 | oxek | has anyone ever actually used pocket? |
| 13:30.40 | ratrace | yes |
| 13:31.20 | ratrace | oxek: FF has introduced a lot of privacy things, new renderer, security features, sandboxing, a LOT of things that have nothing to do with javascript, "in over a decade" |
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| 13:31.50 | ratrace | recent versions include some new mitigations for supercookies if I'm not mistaken. plenty of nice things to look forward in next ESR |
| 13:32.45 | ratrace | and nobody can use modern internet with disabled Javascript. yes there's noscript blockers and yes people whitelist sites they "trust" otherwise they likey couldn't use them, .. unless you're talking about pure text/html sites from early 2000s or older |
| 13:33.01 | ratrace | any modern "responsive" website will fail to render without js. |
| 13:33.33 | oxek | mozilla has also put a lot of money towards https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2020/06/18/first-steps-toward-lasting-change/ |
| 13:33.47 | ratrace | and if you really only browser pure text/html from past century, you're the 0.0000001% use case and nobody cares :) |
| 13:34.02 | oxek | explains how they manage to spend hundreds of millions of USD every year, without adding anything meaningful to the browser |
| 13:34.33 | ratrace | that's different. corruption stinks. misallocated resources stink. but new versions of FF do have new, useful (And less useful) features |
| 13:34.37 | oxek | if I had that sort of money, I'd have the best web browser in existence within 4-5 years |
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| 13:34.53 | abrotman | oxek: they are adding things .. but not always related to the interface |
| 13:34.58 | ratrace | oxek: no you wouldn't :) you'd just succumb to getting even more money, like google :) |
| 13:35.01 | oxek | hire 100 devs at $1M/year |
| 13:35.06 | abrotman | For example, FF was the first to adopt DOH |
| 13:35.44 | oxek | abrotman: and yet I've had superior technolgy (dnscrypt) for many years before :) |
| 13:36.22 | abrotman | that's subjective and not widely deployed |
| 13:36.41 | oxek | linux on the desktop is not widely deployed either |
| 13:36.45 | oxek | yet here we are |
| 13:36.57 | abrotman | here .. you are .. |
| 13:37.15 | abrotman | where's your family? |
| 13:38.45 | oxek | I don't know, I don't track them and use telemetry to find out where they are at all times and what they like doing :p |
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| 13:40.10 | oxek | ok, I admit I exagerrate a little, and FF has added some features, but nowhere near what one would expect at 100s of millions of dollars every year |
| 13:41.26 | ThothK | @oxek what are two examples of new features you think they should have added in the last two years? |
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| 13:44.45 | oxek | I heavily modify FF user interface and use a lot of addons, so there isn't really anything I'm missing in firefox. |
| 13:45.20 | oxek | so I'd be happy if mozilla just left FF alone |
| 13:45.39 | oxek | focus on speed, memory consumptions, and not annoying addon devs by throwing sticks under their feet |
| 13:45.53 | oxek | and not make frivolous user interface changes, like removing compact mode |
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| 13:51.37 | oxek | https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2019/mozilla-fdn-2019-short-form-0926.pdf |
| 13:51.49 | oxek | total revenue in 2019 was $828M |
| 13:52.15 | oxek | there's a lot more that could be done with that sort of money |
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| 13:54.08 | abrotman | How much does Google spend on Chrome each year? |
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| 13:56.03 | oxek | isn't that some sort of logical fallacy? |
| 13:56.32 | abrotman | No, I'm asking if anyone knows what it costs to maintain browsers, to add features, maintain staff, etc |
| 13:56.49 | abrotman | It's entirely possible they're barely making ends meet at 900M |
| 13:57.19 | alex11 | after today's update to 10.9... is it normal to have kernel 4.19.0-16 and 4.19.0-14 but not -15? |
| 13:57.19 | oxek | something would be very wrong if one could barely make ends meet at 900M |
| 13:57.29 | oxek | alex11: -15 was not released |
| 13:57.32 | alex11 | k |
| 13:57.35 | abrotman | But again, FF seems to have been placing a lot of focus on privacy/security |
| 13:57.40 | oxek | alex11: you can see it in the changelog for the kernel package |
| 13:58.28 | oxek | hmm, or perhaps the changelog does not list if a version was actaully released and not just tagged |
| 13:59.52 | alex11 | i could've checked the tracker |
| 13:59.55 | alex11 | oh well |
| 13:59.56 | oxek | abrotman: at $1M/year sponsorship, I could get you 100 PhD students studying privacy/security in a browser |
| 14:01.01 | abrotman | oxek: you're going to pay them each 10,000 ? |
| 14:01.21 | oxek | abrotman: PhDs are cheap if you source it from 3rd world countries, and the quality is comparable |
| 14:01.54 | abrotman | I'm sure you've evaluated all of them, and the good ones work cheap .. cool |
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| 14:04.28 | ratrace | oxek: "PhDs are cheap if you source it from 3rd world countries...." and there you go, you've just nuked any argument you had against FF financial management :) |
| 14:04.59 | ratrace | capitalism at work. frig local workers, let's outsource fo cheap 3rd world countries, those students will be happy to have food and a roof over their head. |
| 14:05.25 | oxek | as sad as it is, yeah pretty much |
| 14:06.07 | abrotman | It should perhaps be noted the Mozilla HQ is along the Embarcadero in SF |
| 14:06.22 | oxek | 100PhDs in greece/india/vietnam could do just as much as 100PhDs in sillicon valley |
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| 14:06.53 | oxek | while costing much less |
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| 14:08.41 | jiggawattz | abrotman: I don't think their headquarters is actually there |
| 14:08.48 | jiggawattz | that's just like a legal address |
| 14:09.15 | oxek | and it would be a life-changing experience for those PhDs in 3rd world countries, whereas the USA-ian PhDs could still easily find a job at Apple/MS/Google/Facebook/Amazon/Tesla |
| 14:09.21 | abrotman | Oh, you're right, apparemtny in Mtn View |
| 14:09.35 | abrotman | oxek: You want to exploit people ? :) |
| 14:09.42 | jiggawattz | oxek: 3rd world PhDs don't necessarily work for so little anymore |
| 14:09.59 | jiggawattz | In Belarus, $3000/month is attainable for any IT guy |
| 14:10.13 | oxek | I should move to Belarus |
| 14:10.15 | jiggawattz | that's still much less than U.S.A., but it's not $10.000/year |
| 14:10.27 | jiggawattz | oxek: from what country are you? |
| 14:10.34 | jiggawattz | Belarus really sucks |
| 14:10.46 | jiggawattz | Lots of protectionism for local companies which produce crap |
| 14:10.59 | jiggawattz | so you pay more for lower quality shit |
| 14:11.06 | oxek | I'd happily produce crap at $3k/month |
| 14:11.14 | jiggawattz | no, you don't understand |
| 14:11.23 | jiggawattz | you need to produce quality to get $3000/month |
| 14:11.27 | jiggawattz | but then you are forced to buy crap |
| 14:11.37 | jiggawattz | unless you travel to Lithuania every weekend to do your shopping |
| 14:11.46 | jiggawattz | but then customs is a hassle, etc |
| 14:12.01 | oxek | belarus isn't in EU, is it? |
| 14:12.08 | jiggawattz | EAEU, my niggah |
| 14:12.16 | abrotman | ahem ... |
| 14:12.20 | jiggawattz | a.k.a. RUSSIA-LAND |
| 14:12.25 | oxek | EAEU? |
| 14:12.30 | jiggawattz | Eurasian Economic Union |
| 14:12.48 | jiggawattz | oh sorry abrotman "niggah" is a term of endearment here |
| 14:12.59 | abrotman | Last warning |
| 14:13.04 | oxek | I'm sure I could still order stuff from outside of Belarus |
| 14:13.10 | jiggawattz | abrotman: I don't really appreciate your U.S.-centric worldview |
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| 14:13.25 | abrotman | jiggawattz: it's not appropriate anywhere. Thanks |
| 14:13.39 | oxek | but I digress, sorry for making this offtopic "rant" |
| 14:14.03 | oxek | how many of you have updated to 10.9, rebooted, and everything running fine? |
| 14:17.11 | oxek | I downloaded the updates, and have read through the changelogs thanks to apt-listchanges |
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| 14:17.37 | abrotman | oxek: is the system remote? |
| 14:17.46 | oxek | abrotman: one of them is, one is not |
| 14:17.53 | abrotman | seems like you test on the local one? :) |
| 14:17.58 | oxek | yeah |
| 14:18.15 | abrotman | oxek: FWIW, in 99.99999% of the cases, you'll be fine (in my experience) |
| 14:18.20 | oxek | I could probably get back from some sort of catastrophic failure |
| 14:18.31 | oxek | but would prefer to know other people's experiences first, so that I don't have to |
| 14:18.50 | oxek | I'm very conservative in terms of package updates |
| 14:18.56 | oxek | debian is a good fit for me |
| 14:19.42 | oxek | (and I'm happy that firefox-esr exists) |
| 14:21.05 | oxek | something like "Beware, the kernel was packaged incorrectly and the ext4 filesystem now causes silent file corruption" |
| 14:21.34 | oxek | I don't know how realistic that is though |
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| 15:01.05 | oxek | frikinz: thanks for the report |
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| 15:39.08 | oxek | indeed |
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| 17:21.40 | jiggawattz | something like $11 registration than $2.73/year renewals after that |
| 17:21.47 | jiggawattz | s/than/then |
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| 17:58.07 | Throwawayname | Is there an easy way to force dpkg/apt to think I have a package installed? |
| 17:58.22 | sney | !equivs |
| 17:58.22 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
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| 17:59.26 | Throwawayname | sney, Thank you |
| 17:59.35 | sney | np |
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| 18:14.04 | isapgswell | how to avoid linux from controlling fans |
| 18:14.06 | isapgswell | ? |
| 18:14.15 | isapgswell | acpi fan is builtin |
| 18:15.00 | wsky | disable all os-wise fan controll |
| 18:17.21 | isapgswell | wsky how to do that? |
| 18:17.47 | wsky | find out what part of your os controlls the fan and make it disabled |
| 18:18.03 | isapgswell | wsky what about linux fan? |
| 18:18.22 | wsky | what is your device? |
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| 18:18.32 | isapgswell | wsky how to disable acpi fan? |
| 18:18.43 | isapgswell | wsky dell G7 |
| 18:19.07 | wsky | it probaly provides a daemon you can disable with systemctl |
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| 18:19.46 | wsky | i have no details on it, my x250 deals with it on firmware level since the very begining of it |
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| 18:22.00 | isapgswell | wsky my G7 control the fans on bios, so i would like to disable linux take care on it |
| 18:22.12 | wsky | i understand |
| 18:22.23 | wsky | and i already told you everything you need to know |
| 18:22.41 | isapgswell | wsky thank you |
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| 19:49.10 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 19:49.20 | oxek | have any problems been reported yet as a result of 10.9 update? |
| 19:50.03 | jak2000 | where can download iso with lastest version of debian? Full |
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| 19:50.57 | sney | jak2000: cdimage.debian.org |
| 19:51.08 | sney | there's also a netinstaller on the debian.org main page. |
| 19:51.45 | jak2000 | yes |
| 19:51.56 | jak2000 | downloaded netinstall but i think is corruped |
| 19:52.30 | jak2000 | this: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ ? |
| 19:52.46 | jak2000 | its the correct? |
| 19:52.49 | jak2000 | debian-10.8.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 19:53.03 | sney | that will install debian, yes |
| 19:53.16 | sney | there are a lot of options, it helps to read the page to find out what you want. |
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| 19:53.49 | sney | there are also instructions on that page to verify your download with the checksum files |
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| 19:54.49 | EdePopede | looks like the ISOs aren't available yet, how long does it take usually? |
| 19:55.29 | sney | it depends, maybe within a few hours, maybe on Monday |
| 19:55.34 | jak2000 | why cant download: |
| 19:55.35 | jak2000 | https://paste.debian.net/1191252/ |
| 19:56.15 | sney | jak2000: your url is mangled, remove the '#:~:text' string |
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| 19:57.41 | jak2000 | similar: https://paste.debian.net/1191253/ |
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| 19:58.27 | sney | you need to LOOK WITH YOUR EYES at what you are typing. the url is wrong. so it's downloading html instead of the iso. |
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| 19:59.06 | jak2000 | removing /iso-cd/#:~=debian-10 #:~= |
| 19:59.35 | jak2000 | :) |
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| 20:05.20 | oxek | jak2000: also consider if using the netinstall would be better |
| 20:05.36 | oxek | it's a smaller .iso |
| 20:06.00 | oxek | and maybe consider using bittorrent for the download |
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| 20:08.33 | jak2000 | ok, thanks |
| 20:08.46 | jak2000 | anyone here use proxmox? |
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| 20:14.53 | aminvakil | jak2000: yes, and i'd be glad to answer you if i can in ##proxmox |
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| 20:33.43 | jak2000 | sorry for paste this image, i need help and need install openssh-server |
| 20:33.43 | jak2000 | https://postimg.cc/K4Pz93c0 |
| 20:33.47 | jak2000 | how to fix? |
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| 20:35.37 | Mister00X | Is there a way to check if a package is backportable |
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| 20:35.54 | oxek | ,checkbackport openssh |
| 20:35.55 | judd | Backporting package openssh in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 9), dh-runit (>= 2.8.8). |
| 20:36.00 | oxek | Mister00X: that's how |
| 20:36.11 | Mister00X | oxek: thanks |
| 20:36.20 | oxek | ignore the part about debhelper-compat, that's an error |
| 20:36.25 | jmcnaught | jak2000: fix (or pastebin) your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:36.28 | Mister00X | ,checkbackport podman |
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| 20:36.49 | jak2000 | ahhahaha |
| 20:36.54 | sney | you can also /msg the bot directly, if you're just looking it up for your own purposes |
| 20:37.01 | jak2000 | cant acces via conosole / putty |
| 20:37.07 | jak2000 | need paste a imge |
| 20:37.09 | jak2000 | *image |
| 20:37.10 | judd | Backporting package podman in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12), conmon, golang-dbus-dev (>= 5.0.2~), golang-github-appc-cni-dev (>= 0.8), golang-github-buger-goterm-dev, golang-github-checkpoint-restore-go-criu-dev, golang-github-containernetworking-plugins-dev (>= 0.8.7), golang-github-containers-buildah-dev (>= 1.19.6), golang-github- |
| 20:37.11 | judd | containers-common-dev (>= 0.33.4), golang-github-containers-image-dev (>= 5.10.2), golang-github-containers-ocicrypt-dev, golang-github-containers-psgo-dev, golang-github-containers-storage-dev (>= 1.24.6), golang-github-coreos-bbolt-dev (>= 1.3.3~), golang-github-coreos-go-iptables-dev (>= 0.4.2~), golang-github-coreos-go-systemd-dev (>= 20~), golang-github-cyphar-filepath-securejoin-dev (>= (3 more messages) |
| 20:37.30 | Anarchy7 | hey all I upgrade from debian8 to debian10 now rtorrent isnt working : rtorrent |
| 20:37.31 | Anarchy7 | rtorrent: error while loading shared libraries: libcppunit-1.13.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. I tried sudo apt --reinstall install rtorrent , but didnt help |
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| 20:38.00 | oxek | Anarchy7: did you update in one step, or go debian8->debian9->debian10? |
| 20:38.02 | EdePopede | 8â9â10, that's how you go |
| 20:38.05 | towo` | Anarchy7, if you really have upgraded from 8 to 10, you lost |
| 20:38.06 | oxek | and did you read the release notes? |
| 20:38.29 | Anarchy7 | First 9 and then 10, I wanted to save a bit reading for you |
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| 20:39.18 | jak2000 | jmcgnh i installed lastest version of debian: cat /etc/issue Debian 10 |
| 20:39.25 | jak2000 | https://postimg.cc/0M2scjVB |
| 20:39.35 | jak2000 | anyone can sed me the sources list for Debian 10? |
| 20:39.47 | sney | !buster sources.list |
| 20:39.47 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 20:39.58 | sney | you are missing the first one. probably because you had no network during install. |
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| 20:41.06 | jak2000 | ok |
| 20:42.04 | jak2000 | working :0 |
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| 20:46.58 | Anarchy7 | I think I have upgraded libcppunit-1.13.so to 1.14 , but rtorrent wants 1.13.. I went to configuration file but didnt see anywhere a path or name for libcppunit-1.13. Is there anything you can recommend? |
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| 20:51.44 | oxek | !frankendebian |
| 20:51.44 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
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| 20:53.17 | isapgswell | why is gdm-x-session trying to allocate framebuffer like this |
| 20:54.04 | isapgswell | gdm-x-session[992]: (II) modeset(0): Allocate new frame buffer 3840x1080 stride |
| 20:54.28 | isapgswell | my external monitor is connected to nvidia |
| 20:54.38 | isapgswell | not intel |
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| 20:55.22 | Pepper | hallo can i have help |
| 20:55.29 | oxek | !ask |
| 20:55.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:55.59 | Pepper | oxek, /dev/sda2 28705700 21134388 6090096 78% / |
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| 20:56.16 | Pepper | how can , i do some thing |
| 20:56.21 | Pepper | soon it will full > |
| 20:58.43 | aminvakil | let me bring my magic wand and expand your filesystem size |
| 21:01.16 | Anarchy7 | oxek I dont have random packages I used the sources.list which dpkg recommends. |
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| 21:02.53 | oxek | Anarchy7: how did you upgrade libcppunit then? |
| 21:03.17 | oxek | rtorrent in debian depends on the exact versions of libraries built in debian |
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| 21:03.37 | Anarchy7 | I didnt upgrade it by hand I alsways used apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade |
| 21:04.45 | oxek | then everything should work; since it doesn't, something is weird |
| 21:05.34 | oxek | `apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install rtorrent` |
| 21:05.42 | oxek | beware, it will reset the system config files for rtorrent |
| 21:06.35 | oxek | or just purge the package, do autopurge, and reinstall the package |
| 21:09.16 | jmcnaught | judd: depends rtorrent |
| 21:09.17 | judd | Package rtorrent in buster/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libcppunit-1.14-0, libcurl4 (>= 7.16.3), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libncursesw6 (>= 6), libstdc++6 (>= 5.2), libtinfo6 (>= 6), libtorrent20, libxmlrpc-core-c3. |
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| 21:11.33 | jmcnaught | Anarchy7: rtorrent in buster depends on libcppunit-1.14-0 not 1.13, maybe you can make a pastebin of the error you are getting, and "apt policy rtorrent"? |
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| 21:15.44 | Anarchy7 | https://paste.debian.net/1191258/ |
| 21:17.07 | jmcnaught | Anarchy7: so you have rtorrent installed from the Debian package, and also rtorrent in /usr/local which you may have installed from source |
| 21:17.33 | jmcnaught | The one in /usr/local is probably older than the one from buster if it's asking for an older version of that library |
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| 21:21.30 | Anarchy7 | I installed rtorrent in 2016 and then last year. definetly one installation is from 2016. but my last installation from 2020 was the working version |
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| 21:23.42 | Anarchy7 | can I delete everything related to rtorrent and then reinstall it? |
| 21:24.47 | jmcnaught | Anarchy7: just get rid of the one in /usr/local and use the rtorrent Debian package, you should not need to reinstall that. |
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| 21:28.19 | Anarchy7 | I will try |
| 21:28.29 | isapgswell | is it possible to use ajax concept when using 2d/3d accel? |
| 21:32.53 | Pepper | hallo, again how can i make passwd -u user , whith some message ? |
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| 21:36.56 | Pepper | when user will try to login |
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| 21:50.39 | velix | Interesting. Anyone with an idea, why there's no mssql-server on Debian in the microsoft repository? Licensing issues? https://packages.microsoft.com/debian/10/prod/pool/main/m/ |
| 21:54.36 | velix | Oh. Seems like latest release is ubuntu/18.04/ |
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| 22:00.41 | velix | It still works on latest Debian, nice. |
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| 22:00.58 | velix | Wow. Installation time on Windows: about 10 minutes. Installation times on Debian: 1-2 minutes :D |
| 22:01.16 | velix | Funny, Microsoft did better on Linux than on Windows ;) |
| 22:01.22 | rk4 | i have lots of ideas but they're all antagonistic to someone wanting to run mssql on debain |
| 22:01.23 | remline | velix: Nice! Windows installers seem pretty shaky. |
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| 22:01.47 | velix | rk4: shall I explain it? |
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| 22:03.26 | velix | We use properitary software to scan and semi-automatically read questionnaires. The software installs SQL Server Express locally. So a total horror to backup the whole thing. I now have the SQL server running on a local virtual server that has a failover and is snapshotted several times a day. Furthermore there is a backup to tape 2x a day. |
| 22:04.02 | rk4 | what sort of tape library? |
| 22:04.18 | velix | rk4: Dunno... It's part of a HPE cluster. |
| 22:04.30 | velix | High end stuff, the whole machine was ~ 20k |
| 22:04.43 | isapgswell | gdm-x-session[992]: (II) modeset(0): Allocate new frame buffer 3840x1080 stride |
| 22:05.12 | isapgswell | why this allocation if my external monitor is connected into nvidia |
| 22:05.15 | isapgswell | ? |
| 22:05.39 | isapgswell | should be: gdm-x-session[992]: (II) modeset(0): Allocate new frame buffer 3840x1080 stride |
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| 22:05.51 | isapgswell | and gdm-x-session[992]: (II) NVIDIA(G0): Allocate new frame buffer 3840x1080 stride |
| 22:05.59 | isapgswell | sorry |
| 22:06.04 | isapgswell | both 1920x1080 |
| 22:06.39 | isapgswell | gdm-x-session[992]: (II) modeset(0): Allocate new frame buffer 1920x1080 stride AND gdm-x-session[992]: (II) NVIDIA(G0): Allocate new frame buffer 1920x1080 stride |
| 22:07.52 | Pepper | when user will try to login |
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| 22:08.08 | Pepper | hallo, again how can i make passwd -u user , whith some message ? |
| 22:08.46 | isapgswell | pepper create a script |
| 22:09.39 | Pepper | maby there i can download it ? |
| 22:10.26 | isapgswell | pepper dont know |
| 22:10.59 | isapgswell | pepper you can download linucommand book and see creating bash script |
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| 22:11.18 | Pepper | isapgswell, can i ask question about ,setquota |
| 22:11.30 | isapgswell | pepper https://linuxcommand.org/ |
| 22:12.05 | Pepper | i add user, setquota user setquota -u rozha 500M 500M 0 0 / |
| 22:12.32 | Pepper | if i try download and save more than 500 mb it save |
| 22:12.36 | Pepper | and i can download |
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| 22:13.30 | isapgswell | pepper for that user no |
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| 22:14.31 | Pepper | isapgswell, i add test user , rozha, make setquota user setquota -u rozha 500M 500M 0 0 / |
| 22:14.41 | Pepper | try to download like film |
| 22:14.46 | Pepper | it download and save |
| 22:15.06 | isapgswell | pepper so your quota is not effective |
| 22:15.20 | Pepper | how can i check it |
| 22:15.21 | Pepper | ? |
| 22:16.59 | Anarchy7 | jmcnaught I deleted the rtorrent file in /usr/local. when I type "sudo systemctl start rtorrent" nothing happens, but when I type "rtorrent", it starts and everthing is fine here is my service file https://paste.debian.net/1191261/ could you help me further? |
| 22:17.16 | Pepper | isapgswell ,https://paste.debian.net/1191264/ |
| 22:17.20 | isapgswell | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.32 | isapgswell | pepper sudo quotaon -v / |
| 22:18.05 | Pepper | https://paste.debian.net/1191265/ |
| 22:18.14 | isapgswell | pepper sudo edquota -u username |
| 22:18.55 | Pepper | Disk quotas for user rozha (uid 1002): |
| 22:18.55 | Pepper | Filesystem blocks soft hard inodes soft hard |
| 22:19.01 | Pepper | up sorry |
| 22:19.20 | Pepper | https://paste.debian.net/1191266/ |
| 22:19.35 | jmcnaught | Anarchy7: I don't know much about running system services attached to tmux/screen sorry. Type=oneshot is probably wrong though. |
| 22:20.20 | isapgswell | pepper pastebin your fstab |
| 22:20.32 | Anarchy7 | the service file was created by a script, what is oneshot? |
| 22:21.54 | isapgswell | pepper may you forgot to change /etc/fstab |
| 22:22.37 | Pepper | isapgswell https://paste.debian.net/1191267/ |
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| 22:23.11 | isapgswell | pepper file /etc/fstab |
| 22:23.19 | isapgswell | pepper cat /etc/fstab |
| 22:23.24 | Pepper | ah okey |
| 22:24.03 | Pepper | https://paste.debian.net/1191268/ |
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| 22:25.44 | fluiD | I'm trying to get my debian install set up so I don't have to enter a password for sudo commands. I've seen numerous recommendations to add NOPASSWD to the sudoers file but that doesn't seem to fix it. |
| 22:25.57 | isapgswell | pepper did you run: sudo quotacheck -cugm / |
| 22:26.13 | dvs | fluiD: It does for me. |
| 22:26.24 | fluiD | dvs, :( |
| 22:26.54 | Pepper | isapgswell; https://paste.debian.net/1191269/ |
| 22:27.07 | isapgswell | pepper after editing /etc/fstab you need to reboot |
| 22:27.12 | fluiD | #user privilege specification |
| 22:27.21 | dvs | fluiD: ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 22:27.29 | fluiD | debian ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL |
| 22:27.43 | isapgswell | pepper you trying do quota /home ?? |
| 22:27.44 | dvs | wrong |
| 22:28.02 | Pepper | no onky users |
| 22:28.02 | dvs | oh wait. That's not bad. |
| 22:28.11 | fluiD | dvs, I just changed it to yours, logged out and logged back in, still asks for a password |
| 22:28.39 | isapgswell | pepper you should use quotas on /home |
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| 22:29.52 | isapgswell | pepper unless you did not separate this(home) partition |
| 22:30.18 | Pepper | setquota -u user 2000M 2200M 0 0 / |
| 22:30.27 | isapgswell | pepper you trying to quota / |
| 22:30.29 | Pepper | how to separete partition |
| 22:30.46 | isapgswell | pepper your /home is appart |
| 22:30.53 | isapgswell | pepper already |
| 22:31.07 | wsky | find another dealer |
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| 22:31.32 | Pepper | okey what i must do |
| 22:31.58 | isapgswell | pepper you need to put usrquota,grpquota after defaults |
| 22:31.59 | Pepper | i downt whant reboot system |
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| 22:32.12 | isapgswell | pepper sorry you will need |
| 22:32.21 | isapgswell | pepper i think |
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| 22:32.44 | Pepper | and then after , i will add user, make him quote reboot system |
| 22:32.58 | isapgswell | pepper you can try remount instead |
| 22:33.12 | Pepper | can you explain more |
| 22:33.21 | Pepper | if you have time |
| 22:33.26 | isapgswell | pepper UUID=1f4c2de0-b77c-46aa-9ced-cb5fad4446ba /home ext4 defaults,usrquota,grpquota 0 2 |
| 22:33.59 | fluiD | I've added my user to the sudo group. I tried changing the %sudo line in /etc/sudoers to include the NOPASSWD, still asks for a password |
| 22:34.32 | Pepper | isapgswell, can you explain what i , must do ? |
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| 22:34.42 | dvs | fluiD: Oh, I added my user ID to the sudoers file |
| 22:34.51 | isapgswell | pepper and: sudo mount -o remount,usrquota,grpquota /home |
| 22:35.20 | isapgswell | pepper clear / usrquota,grpquota |
| 22:35.23 | Pepper | isapgswell add |
| 22:35.59 | Pepper | >usrquota,grpquota |
| 22:36.00 | Pepper | bash: usrquota,grpquota: command not found |
| 22:36.05 | isapgswell | pepper your /etc/fstab has this line like this: UUID=1f4c2de0-b77c-46aa-9ced-cb5fad4446ba /home ext4 defaults,usrquota,grpquota 0 2 |
| 22:36.20 | isapgswell | pepper do you quota package installed? |
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| 22:36.34 | Pepper | yes |
| 22:37.18 | isapgswell | pepper did you run command: sudo mount -o remount,usrquota,grpquota /home ?? |
| 22:37.57 | isapgswell | pepper or simply: sudo mount -o remount /home |
| 22:38.08 | isapgswell | pepper after edited fstab |
| 22:38.11 | isapgswell | pepper corrent |
| 22:38.16 | isapgswell | pepper correct |
| 22:38.22 | Pepper | isapgswell https://paste.debian.net/1191271/ |
| 22:38.41 | Pepper | yes i run |
| 22:38.59 | Pepper | ~)> sudo mount -o remount,usrquota,grpquota /home |
| 22:38.59 | Pepper | (root@fromhell)(~)> |
| 22:39.08 | isapgswell | pepper did you run this command: sudo quotacheck -cugm / |
| 22:39.16 | isapgswell | pepper did you run this command: sudo quotacheck -cugm /home |
| 22:39.28 | isapgswell | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.40 | Pepper | (root@fromhell)(~)>quotacheck -cugm / |
| 22:39.40 | Pepper | quotacheck: Quota for users is enabled on mountpoint / so quotacheck might damage the file. |
| 22:39.40 | Pepper | Please turn quotas off or use -f to force checking. |
| 22:40.02 | isapgswell | pepper /home <---------- |
| 22:40.23 | isapgswell | pepper quotacheck -cugm /home |
| 22:40.37 | Pepper | now okey |
| 22:40.47 | isapgswell | pepper forgot / |
| 22:40.54 | isapgswell | pepper you quota is /home |
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| 22:41.25 | isapgswell | forget /, treat now just /home |
| 22:41.43 | isapgswell | pepper pastebin you new fstab |
| 22:41.49 | Pepper | https://paste.debian.net/1191272/ |
| 22:42.03 | Pepper | fstbin ok moment |
| 22:44.39 | Pepper | isapgswell |
| 22:44.40 | Pepper | https://paste.debian.net/1191274/ |
| 22:45.28 | isapgswell | pepper it is wrong |
| 22:46.08 | Pepper | what can i do |
| 22:46.24 | isapgswell | pepper put usrquota,grpquota after defaults in the /home line |
| 22:46.36 | Pepper | where i must put it |
| 22:46.37 | Pepper | ? |
| 22:47.26 | isapgswell | pepper localize /home line |
| 22:48.05 | isapgswell | pepper and type usrquota,grpquota after defaults in the fstab file |
| 22:48.33 | Pepper | can you explain, where i must go ? |
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| 22:48.43 | isapgswell | pepper open fstab |
| 22:48.45 | Pepper | i , am not super user |
| 22:48.48 | Pepper | ok |
| 22:48.57 | isapgswell | pepper /etc/fstab |
| 22:49.14 | Pepper | done |
| 22:49.28 | isapgswell | pepper localize /home |
| 22:50.18 | Pepper | on what line put it |
| 22:50.21 | isapgswell | pepper in the same line you type like this: defaults,usrquota,grpquota |
| 22:50.45 | isapgswell | pepper UUID=1f4c2de0-b77c-46aa-9ced-cb5fad4446ba /home ext4 defaults,usrquota,grpquota 0 2 |
| 22:51.58 | Pepper | ah you meen i must change /dev/sda1 this line UUID=1f4c2de0-b77c-46aa-9ced-cb5fad4446ba /home ext4 defaults,usrquota,grpquota 0 2 |
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| 22:53.01 | isapgswell | pepper sda4 pepper |
| 22:53.24 | Pepper | done |
| 22:53.56 | isapgswell | pepper remove usrquota,grpquota from fstab, sda2 line |
| 22:54.10 | isapgswell | pepper leave this: UUID=e93bc85e-0083-47c8-a684-58e51027d6ec / ext4 errors=remount-ro,usrquota,grpquota 0 1 |
| 22:54.35 | isapgswell | pepper without usrquota,grpquota |
| 22:54.40 | Pepper | i can just # ? |
| 22:54.46 | isapgswell | pepper UUID=e93bc85e-0083-47c8-a684-58e51027d6ec / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 22:55.30 | isapgswell | pepper you if you copy paste below |
| 22:55.46 | isapgswell | pepper you can, if yo ucopy paste below |
| 22:55.57 | Pepper | isapgswell |
| 22:55.58 | isapgswell | pepper without # below |
| 22:55.58 | Pepper | https://paste.debian.net/1191275/ |
| 22:56.03 | Pepper | it look like that |
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| 22:56.57 | isapgswell | pepper i will explain better: |
| 22:57.03 | isapgswell | pepper: # / was on /dev/sda2 during installation |
| 22:57.04 | isapgswell | UUID=e93bc85e-0083-47c8-a684-58e51027d6ec / ext4 errors=remount-ro,usrquota,grpquota 0 1 |
| 22:57.24 | isapgswell | UUID=1f4c2de0-b77c-46aa-9ced-cb5fad4446ba /home ext4 defaults,usrquota,grpquota 0 2 |
| 22:57.40 | isapgswell | pqpper do not delete uuid unless will break |
| 22:57.50 | isapgswell | pepper do not delete uuid unless will break |
| 22:58.28 | Pepper | i dot |
| 22:58.58 | Pepper | isapgswell , can you just corrent i send you dewbin paste |
| 22:59.12 | Pepper | i will say you bg thanks |
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