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| 00:45.32 | genr8_ | storrgie, grub does not know anything about mdraid, thats done by the kernel |
| 00:46.11 | genr8_ | so all you need is to boot off any one drive, and it will be raided together afterwards |
| 00:47.24 | HeXiLeD | currently i am unable to load mysqli but it is exists /etc/php/7.3/cli/conf.d/20-mysqli.ini, | php7.3-mysql is already the newest version (7.3.27-1~deb10u1) |
| 00:47.34 | HeXiLeD | ! mysqlidpkg |
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| 00:47.40 | HeXiLeD | !dpkg mysqli |
| 00:47.40 | dpkg | well, mysqli is MySQL Improved Extension which supports MySQL 4.1+ functionality. It supports the object oriented approach better as the access is provided using MySQL objects. Debian packages are available starting from Etch. |
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| 00:49.12 | abrotman | you should probably show an error that shows it can't load |
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| 00:57.52 | themill | HeXiLeD: are you trying to use php from the command line? |
| 00:59.32 | HeXiLeD | yes and may be an issue with mediawiki https://pastebin.com/utnQLWFi |
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| 01:05.38 | pepee | man, why have these people taken over debian? https://debian.community/debian-chris-lamb-nxivm-sex-cult-prosecution/ |
| 01:06.37 | pepee | this very same woman is now leading the campaign against RMS: https://debian.community/assets/dont-know-how-to-code.png |
| 01:06.55 | sney | !ops ^ |
| 01:06.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: sney complains about a problem (see above) |
| 01:07.00 | pepee | this is crazy: https://debian.community/laura-arjona-reina-carnival-mafia-murders/ |
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| 01:07.34 | themill | HeXiLeD: do you also have /etc/php/7.3/cli/conf.d/10-mysqlnd.ini ? |
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| 01:18.44 | HeXiLeD | purge all php versions and reinstall solved the issue. |
| 01:18.47 | HeXiLeD | yes i do have that |
| 01:19.02 | HeXiLeD | now i have another issue with nginx. 502 bad gateway |
| 01:19.34 | sney | https://i.ibb.co/Lgkt9PM/image.png |
| 01:19.48 | sney | read your error logs, they will give you clues |
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| 01:20.12 | dvs | gets another cow-colored computer box |
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| 01:55.20 | aaii-z | bored as FUCK |
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| 02:42.11 | Sark | So, I have a bit of a weird problem - I have a USB MO drive that I can't get to recognize. It sees the USB to IDE adapter in the case, but not the drive itself. If I switch the drive mechanism onto a generic USB to IDE adapter, the drive works fine. |
| 02:42.31 | Sark | So, while, this *might* be a bad USB to IDE bridge, it almost seems more like the kernel just isn't loading the USB storage driver for it. |
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| 03:38.16 | pigassu | so on this one ? cryptsetup: WARNING: The initramfs image may not contain cryptsetup binaries |
| 03:39.30 | jmcnaught | pigassu: do you have cryptsetup-initramfs installed? |
| 03:40.50 | pigassu | yes |
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| 03:43.04 | pigassu | jmcnaught, |
| 03:49.21 | dannylee | well buster is 2x better then stretch...it take me6 one day to get all the repository working...fedora 31 just would'ent work...the paste command was mess up...fedora 31 did not let me copy an paste...my pass world was madcow...i think a hacker killed fedora...debian buster has better terminals...it only take one day to get buster tweak up...i'm just not to smart...i;m stuck with debian 10..it is better than most... |
| 03:50.13 | pigassu | I can't translate the tech-speak on the crypt |
| 03:50.25 | pigassu | did a websearch but |
| 03:51.32 | dannylee | so i had to change my password...its long an stupid... |
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| 05:09.09 | ryouma | why is buter beter than stretch? |
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| 05:15.41 | epsilon | ryouma: buster is the bleeding edge stable linux |
| 05:16.24 | ryouma | oh i meant dannylee's oddly speific 2x better comment thought he might hve more specifics |
| 05:16.55 | ryouma | i keep mixing up release numbers with code names |
| 05:17.52 | ryouma | etc os release seems to vbe my savior |
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| 06:59.05 | Ede|Popede | ryouma: i'm with you. usually have to look into dpkg's query and even hope i remember the keyword used to get the list. and if that wouldn't be enough, there are 2 of them. |
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| 09:12.55 | McFloss | Hi, I am trying to connect to a debian 10 server from a cisco switch using ssh |
| 09:13.02 | McFloss | this cisco ssh client is quite old |
| 09:13.16 | McFloss | and I cannot connect because the cyphers |
| 09:13.39 | rk4 | ok...makes sense |
| 09:13.40 | McFloss | how can I allow old ciphers in the server? |
| 09:14.06 | McFloss | as I cannot update the client |
| 09:14.11 | rk4 | if you can it'll be in man sshd_config |
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| 09:14.41 | rk4 | but if it's your own network and you have ancient ssh clients and want to downgrade ciphersuites to accommodate them...hey why not telnet |
| 09:15.30 | McFloss | it is an option |
| 09:15.53 | McFloss | I will try |
| 09:16.00 | rk4 | did you telnet into the switch |
| 09:17.59 | rk4 | cisco does networking magic don't they, maybe you can tunnel a ssh connection from a modern client too |
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| 09:18.59 | McFloss | well, the problem it is an old hardened system |
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| 09:19.21 | McFloss | we are trying to add this new server... but everything else is really old |
| 09:22.39 | rk4 | ah the old bespoke hardened system no one updates because it's too weird |
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| 10:03.15 | ratrace | telnet party like it's 1980s again! |
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| 10:14.36 | shtrb | to sdf or somewhere else ? |
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| 10:16.36 | kwami | Hi, folks. Whats matter with apt's packeges saying "Found but wont install it"? |
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| 10:20.46 | ratrace | kwami: clash in wanted and available versions, maybe? missing components in sources.list? mixed repos? |
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| 10:21.02 | ratrace | ideally, !pastebin the output you get |
| 10:24.16 | shtrb | or easier with pastebinit |
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| 10:25.47 | shtrb | kwami, apt-get install yourpackagename | pastebinit |
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| 10:32.40 | shtrb | kwami, it's better to reply here, so everyone would see it. |
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| 10:36.44 | kwami | shtrb, ok! |
| 10:37.14 | kwami | Fixed, cleaned up the soucelist now it's working! |
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| 10:59.35 | kwami | exit |
| 11:01.13 | shtrb | kwami, it's normally /exit |
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| 11:02.12 | jelly | !next |
| 11:02.12 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 11:02.36 | shtrb | I don't see him disconnecting so not yet |
| 11:04.05 | kwami | Yes, the backslash scaped:) |
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| 11:05.31 | shtrb | dpkg had left the building ? |
| 11:05.33 | dpkg | shtrb: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 11:06.26 | Ede|Popede | !tldp |
| 11:06.27 | dpkg | i guess tldp is The Linux Documentation Project: http://www.tldp.org/ |
| 11:06.55 | Ede|Popede | wasn't it here that tldp's quality was questioned? |
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| 11:12.43 | ratrace | superseded by the OneTrueLinuxDocumentationProject, teh ArchlinuxWiki. |
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| 11:17.59 | Ede|Popede | i grew up with tldp in the linux world. this and RFCs and FAQs and the myriad of HOWTOs were my inspirational source before i had the time to loot the web. |
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| 11:18.38 | shtrb | The archwiki is amaizing but I still would have prefered that data over at tldp |
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| 11:22.26 | isapgswell | hi |
| 11:22.48 | isapgswell | i disabled tpm/vtd and now i am getting 8hrs battery life |
| 11:23.26 | shtrb | is that good or bad ? |
| 11:23.40 | isapgswell | shtrb good off course |
| 11:23.41 | shtrb | tpm set the values for your battery , and it's stored on it from the last set values |
| 11:23.57 | shtrb | and before that, how much did you have ? |
| 11:24.00 | isapgswell | shtrb and about vtd? |
| 11:24.18 | isapgswell | shtrb how can i verify? |
| 11:24.19 | shtrb | don't know about vtd |
| 11:24.38 | isapgswell | shtrb i think vtd is the linux problem about battery life |
| 11:24.48 | isapgswell | shtrb i read about performance issues too |
| 11:24.59 | shtrb | I don't know about vtd, sorry |
| 11:25.24 | isapgswell | shtrb tpm controls battery? |
| 11:25.33 | shtrb | Oh sorry !! |
| 11:25.38 | shtrb | I need my coffee |
| 11:25.49 | shtrb | I read tlp |
| 11:25.50 | isapgswell | see you |
| 11:26.00 | isapgswell | nono |
| 11:26.02 | isapgswell | tpm |
| 11:26.10 | shtrb | yes, I got it now, again , sorry |
| 11:26.18 | isapgswell | i disabled tpm and vtd |
| 11:26.34 | isapgswell | my notebook is charging better than windiows |
| 11:27.28 | shtrb | Play little but with tlp , and you will see wonders |
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| 11:29.31 | Razva | Hi! My ISP is forcing me a specific MTU. How can I set it on install? Because I cannot do the installation without internet, and I cannot have internet access without the right MTU set. Thank you! |
| 11:29.40 | isapgswell | shtrb yes |
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| 11:30.07 | nkuttler | Razva: don't you have a router or something? |
| 11:30.15 | Razva | in this scenario, no |
| 11:30.24 | nkuttler | Razva: see man 5 interfaces? |
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| 11:30.36 | Razva | ? |
| 11:30.36 | shtrb | Razva, boot, move to a different tty and set the interface conneciton mtu |
| 11:30.48 | shtrb | this will allow you to change it on the fly |
| 11:30.57 | nkuttler | oh, in the installer.. yeah |
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| 11:31.02 | Razva | ok, let me reboot the machine. should I start a normal install or an expert install? |
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| 11:31.11 | shtrb | you don't need to reinstall for it ! |
| 11:31.24 | Razva | it's not installed so I don't have anything to reinstall :) |
| 11:31.57 | Razva | ok, so I'm at Graphical install |
| 11:32.20 | Razva | how can I move to another tty? |
| 11:32.25 | nkuttler | Razva: ctrl-alt-F2 |
| 11:32.44 | Razva | ok, I'm at the busybox |
| 11:33.22 | nkuttler | Razva: https://boxmatrix.info/wiki/Property:ip_(bbcmd) |
| 11:33.36 | nkuttler | something like ip link set dev <device> mtu <mtu> |
| 11:34.09 | Razva | got it |
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| 11:37.15 | Razva | yyyyyup it worked like a charm, thanks! |
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| 11:38.48 | Razva | can I use /boot from a 20 TB partition, or it would be best to have a separate /boot partition? |
| 11:39.29 | jelly | Razva, in theory you can use whatever filesystem your boot loader supports for /boot |
| 11:39.45 | Razva | well...grub I guess...? |
| 11:40.11 | jelly | I'd probably use competely separate disks for the OS and for data, with 20TB of space |
| 11:40.18 | jelly | which fs type is it? zfs? |
| 11:40.24 | jelly | xfs? |
| 11:40.50 | Razva | it's a RAID so I can use whatever is better |
| 11:41.02 | Razva | it's a RAID10 |
| 11:41.22 | Razva | so the installer basically sees a single 20 TB drive |
| 11:41.26 | jelly | "better" might be "avoid hardware raid, use zfs" |
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| 11:41.58 | cws | grub can natively boot off of mdadm arrays, so there isn't a technical reason to need a separate /boot |
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| 11:42.06 | Razva | it's a Debian node that has ZFS RAID10, and the machine I'm installing is a VM on that node :) |
| 11:42.08 | jelly | ymmv. If you're comfortable with this hw raid, go ahead and keep using it |
| 11:42.11 | cws | Unless I'm missing something. |
| 11:42.44 | ramzy | i installed debian without a desktop enviroment now i wana install kde how do i install it |
| 11:42.58 | jelly | Razva, if it's a VM, give it a separate 500MB or 1GB disk just for /boot and boot loader, and one or more separate disks for everything else |
| 11:43.10 | Razva | ok, doing this now, thanks |
| 11:43.31 | jelly | mind you, debian installer cannot put LVM onto an unpartitioned disk |
| 11:43.47 | ramzy | anyone? |
| 11:43.54 | jelly | !install kde |
| 11:43.54 | dpkg | The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "KDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue". |
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| 11:44.36 | jelly | ramzy, sorry, that was when KDE was 4 and not Plasma and 5. Might not be up to date. |
| 11:44.38 | Razva | ext4 or xfs? |
| 11:44.46 | ratrace | ramzy: check the tasksel(8) manpage, use --list-tasks to see the KDE one, then use tasksel to install KDE |
| 11:44.46 | Razva | I'll use it as a NAS |
| 11:45.04 | ratrace | Razva: in the VM that's on a zvol? |
| 11:45.10 | Razva | yup |
| 11:45.15 | ratrace | whichever you prefer |
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| 11:45.36 | Razva | well I'm migrating from CentOS so...XFS was default...but I don't know it really matters |
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| 11:45.53 | jelly | xfs is probably nicer given such sizing |
| 11:46.43 | Razva | Hmmmm...should I make biosgrub bootable? https://www.screencast.com/t/5r8s4p44 |
| 11:47.05 | Razva | or /boot ? |
| 11:47.07 | Razva | or both |
| 11:47.24 | cws | biosgrub leave alone. |
| 11:47.27 | ratrace | Razva: neitehr for GPT |
| 11:47.49 | Razva | oook so that's basically OK ^^^ ? |
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| 11:48.13 | cws | ext3? |
| 11:48.25 | Razva | for boot, yeah, usually ext3? |
| 11:48.33 | Razva | should I xfs that as well? |
| 11:48.35 | ratrace | Razva: hold on, though. what's the host OS? |
| 11:48.44 | Razva | Debian |
| 11:48.50 | Razva | Debian VM on a Debian host |
| 11:48.57 | ratrace | Razva: so you might want to use virtio drivers for disks and network |
| 11:49.03 | Razva | yup |
| 11:49.08 | Razva | doing that already |
| 11:49.09 | cws | Razva: If you're going to ext anything, ext4. |
| 11:49.15 | ratrace | Razva: so that's virtio-scsi? because "sda" |
| 11:49.20 | Razva | ens18 |
| 11:49.26 | ratrace | otherwise it'd be "vda" |
| 11:49.28 | Razva | ah, scsi? mmmm |
| 11:49.33 | Razva | let me check |
| 11:49.43 | ratrace | virtio-scsi is fine, mind you, if you have that set up |
| 11:49.46 | cws | virtio-scsi will still show up as sda |
| 11:49.55 | ratrace | yes |
| 11:50.05 | Razva | raw, scsi0 |
| 11:50.06 | ramzy | ratrace: so what's the command i should use |
| 11:50.06 | ratrace | but virtio-scsi isn't default for qemu-kvm afaik |
| 11:50.19 | ratrace | ramzy: command? in what context? |
| 11:50.33 | ramzy | to install kde |
| 11:50.44 | cws | ramzy: You were already given that information. |
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| 11:51.03 | ratrace | ramzy: did you check the manpage? it's very, very obvious |
| 11:51.06 | Razva | oook changed ext3 to ext4 |
| 11:51.12 | ramzy | cws: and i dont understand it |
| 11:51.57 | ramzy | ratrace: "-bash: man: command not found" |
| 11:52.25 | ratrace | ramzy: what kind of installation is that |
| 11:52.34 | Razva | ramzy just do `sudo apt install kde-plasma-desktop`, but I highly advise you to learn a bit about `apt` and installing stuff, because else you're going to be in trouble with Linux :) |
| 11:52.53 | cws | I'm more curious as to what Debian install is missing manpages. |
| 11:53.15 | ratrace | cws: a debootstrap one perhaps, but that would imply the user very much knows what they're doing |
| 11:54.32 | ramzy | ratrace: the mirror wasnt workingso i jush continued without setting it up |
| 11:55.58 | ratrace | ramzy: well, apt install man-db to get the manpages going, then check the tasksel(8) manpage, it's very, very easy to use |
| 11:56.25 | ratrace | or you can use apt directly, but tasksels are very convenient |
| 11:57.18 | ramzy | ratrace: "E: unable to locate package man-db" |
| 11:57.27 | Razva | ramzy do a `sudo apt install tasksel` and then `tasksel install kubuntu-desktop`, you're done |
| 11:57.55 | cws | If they tanked a netinstall, then they may not even have configured mirrors. |
| 11:57.59 | ratrace | ramzy: is your sources.list broken? |
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| 11:59.02 | ramzy | Razva: "sudo: command not found" |
| 11:59.13 | ramzy | ratrace: propably |
| 11:59.31 | ratrace | ramzy: well fix that first. do you know how to update sources.list file? with this info: |
| 11:59.31 | ramzy | its not finding any packeges |
| 11:59.34 | ratrace | !sources.list |
| 11:59.34 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 12:00.02 | ratrace | you might want contrib at least, aside to the main component. |
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| 12:00.44 | ratrace | ramzy: also .... do NOT, ever, type up random sudo commands given on the internet without understanding what sudo does. |
| 12:01.20 | ratrace | I'll never tell anyone to use sudo. I expect them to understand when a command must be run in context of the root user. |
| 12:01.35 | ratrace | and more precisely, _how_ to do that. |
| 12:01.45 | ratrace | if they don't, I'll be happy to explain. |
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| 12:02.12 | cws | sudo is, if a root password was set during install, not part of the base install. |
| 12:02.34 | ramzy | ratrace: it doesn't matter since im already logged in as root |
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| 12:03.08 | ratrace | ramzy: so why would you post "sudo: command not found" here? it implies you don't know what that does. |
| 12:03.48 | ramzy | ratrace: sorry... i guess im extra stupid today |
| 12:04.34 | cws | ramzy: Not to put TOO fine a point on this, but so far, it seems that you haven't accumulated what would the considered a minimum level of understanding to effectively administer your own Linux system. |
| 12:04.36 | ratrace | ramzy: ok, so tried to fix sources.list? |
| 12:05.34 | cws | ramzy: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/ |
| 12:05.47 | cws | ramzy: https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-linux |
| 12:05.51 | ratrace | cws: I'd be fine with that, and help the user get there. UNLESS that's a public server. Then I get all mad obnoxious about it :) |
| 12:05.57 | ramzy | ratrace: im doing it |
| 12:06.22 | cws | ratrace: Oh, I'm not saying "don't help." I'm saying "hey, here are an ASS-load of materials to get you there." |
| 12:06.29 | ratrace | sure. |
| 12:06.52 | cws | ramzy: Particularly that second link. It's a full, free course from The Linux Foundation. |
| 12:07.34 | ratrace | ramzy: don't forget to `apt update` after changing sources.list |
| 12:07.59 | ramzy | ratrace: i changed the deb line there is another one 'deb-src' do i chance that too? |
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| 12:09.23 | ramzy | ratrace: ?? |
| 12:10.23 | ratrace | ramzy: yes if you want to install src debs. |
| 12:10.51 | ratrace | otherwise you can comment those (deb-src) out for some future time when you'll need them. |
| 12:11.28 | Razva | yeah, sorry about the sudo, I implied too much. |
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| 12:13.39 | ramzy | ratrace: i edited it and did an apt update and it gavu me a bunch of errors |
| 12:14.34 | Razva | ramzy does your machine already have data on it, or is it a fresh install? |
| 12:14.39 | ratrace | ramzy: !pastebin |
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| 12:14.55 | ramzy | Razva: fresh install |
| 12:15.32 | ramzy | ratrace: ?? |
| 12:15.58 | Razva | in this case isn't waaaay more simple to just restart the installer and double-check each time you're clicking "next"? because in the amount of time spent 'till now fixing this you could just reset, boot from USB and have the installation done :) |
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| 12:17.20 | ramzy | Razva: i have the same problem whet installing it doesn't choose a mirror correctly |
| 12:17.30 | Ede|Popede | cws: edx has a really bad About Us page, in the footer it is an "Inc.", so it looks more like a company of the Microsoft or Ford or McDonalds league. |
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| 12:17.52 | ramzy | Razva: tho it has internet |
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| 12:18.18 | ramzy | Razva: its a vm btw |
| 12:18.47 | ramzy | ratrace: u here? |
| 12:18.56 | Razva | well, in this case...check what's wrong with the network setup? |
| 12:19.17 | Razva | like I was instructed, ctrl+alt+f2 will redirect you to a console where you can set/fix your network |
| 12:19.20 | ratrace | ramzy: yes |
| 12:19.30 | Razva | after that you can ctrl+alt+f5 to go back at the installer |
| 12:19.33 | ratrace | ramzy: still waiting on the pastebin of your errors |
| 12:19.59 | cws | Ede|Popede: Hey, did you know that non-profits are often legally incorporated entities like other companies are? And that maybe the presence of "Inc." on a page doesn't tell you LITERALLY ANYTHING AT ALL? |
| 12:20.06 | ramzy | ratrace: ok 1 sec |
| 12:20.26 | Razva | can a non-profit have an Inc? |
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| 12:21.09 | cws | In the US, they can be a C-Corp, an LLC, whatever. |
| 12:21.11 | Ede|Popede | cws: IANAL, not even US citizen |
| 12:21.41 | cws | Ede|Popede: Then maybe bear those two facts in mind before tossing noise into the channel. |
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| 12:22.16 | cws | Literally handing a free uni course on "how to Linux" to someone, and your only focus is that there's an "Inc." somewhere. Hardly productive. |
| 12:22.23 | Ede|Popede | and i've been looking at the About page, no information at all about the connections between Company / non-profit / Linux foundation / University (which is just a block of portraits) |
| 12:22.51 | Ede|Popede | yeah, some prefer to know in advance |
| 12:22.54 | cws | Because they partner with a large number of universities to provide classes for free. It's not just Linux stuff. |
| 12:23.13 | Ede|Popede | > EdX is a nonprofit online learning platform launched in 2012 by Harvard University and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). |
| 12:23.21 | Ede|Popede | found on https://linuxfoundation.org/press-release/linux-foundation-and-edx-offer-new-course-as-starting-point-for-in-demand-linux-careers/ |
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| 12:23.54 | Ede|Popede | and i had to google first for "edX site:linuxfoundation.org" and look into maybe 3 articles to find that clear statement |
| 12:24.03 | cws | Then your google-fu sucks. |
| 12:24.07 | cws | "EdX Inc. is a nonprofit, tax-exempt entity under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. All donations collected are classified as unrestricted gifts for general purposes. |
| 12:24.16 | Ede|Popede | then they should make it clear on their About page, not just fill it with pics |
| 12:24.30 | cws | So, again, stop throwing noise into the channel as a response to "hey, here, have a beneficial resource." |
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| 12:25.11 | ramzy | "404 Not found [ip: ***:***:**:*** 80] |
| 12:25.11 | ramzy | E: The repository 'http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/updates Release' does not have a release file |
| 12:25.11 | ramzy | N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and therefore disabled by default |
| 12:25.11 | ramzy | N: see apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user config details |
| 12:25.24 | ramzy | ratrace: here |
| 12:25.26 | cws | Ede|Popede: Maybe YOU should care about the content of a site, and not the presence of an "Inc." and using that as a reason to compare it to unrelated entities for no reason at all other than "They're all companies." |
| 12:25.47 | Ede|Popede | cws: the warning would not have been necessary would you not be so US centric, that's not AOL chat after all |
| 12:25.48 | cws | Ede|Popede: On a "basic logic" level, that's incredibly fallacious. |
| 12:26.16 | cws | Basic critical thinking skills isn't US-centric. |
| 12:26.42 | jelly | ramzy, there's no sud thing as http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/updates, you probably mistyped: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main" |
| 12:26.43 | cws | "Free Linux course" and "Linux Foundation" were two REALLY GOOD hints. |
| 12:26.48 | jelly | s/sud/such/ |
| 12:27.12 | cws | jelly: I think there is an /updates, used to be the volatile repo? |
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| 12:27.24 | jelly | cws, keep US-bashing in #debian-offtopic please |
| 12:27.34 | cws | I'm not US bashing at all. |
| 12:27.35 | jelly | !buster sources.list |
| 12:27.36 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 12:28.29 | jelly | eh, I misread |
| 12:28.34 | ramzy | jelly: great it worked! |
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| 12:30.17 | ramzy | now to the original question |
| 12:30.22 | Razva | thank you for your time & support, have a great day, cheers |
| 12:30.34 | ramzy | how do i install KDE |
| 12:31.04 | cws | Ede|Popede: You could have simply asked "what is this edX?" and I would have answered with "its a non-profit that partners with companies and universities to provide courses to the public for free." It would have skipped all of the previous mess. |
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| 12:31.49 | cws | ramzy: Now that you have your repos in order, tasksel should work. |
| 12:33.13 | ramzy | cws: so do i just run the commad 'tasksel: |
| 12:33.17 | ramzy | *' |
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| 12:33.35 | cws | "tasksel" is it. Requires root privileges, of course, because its installing packages. |
| 12:33.55 | ramzy | im logged in as root |
| 12:34.10 | ratrace | ramzy: did you already forget everything you were told before? |
| 12:34.13 | cws | Then that would satisfy the requirement, wouldn't it? :) |
| 12:34.48 | ramzy | ratrace: :) lol |
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| 12:35.51 | ratrace | ramzy: but really :) I told you which command to use (tasksel) and to look up the manpage to see how it's used. I even told you which options to use (--list-tasks) to find the "kde-desktop" task to install. |
| 12:36.15 | ratrace | please do not tell me you're unable to conclude how to install the kde-desktop task now? |
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| 12:37.22 | ramzy | when i run "tasksel --list-install"it gives no output |
| 12:37.27 | Ede|Popede | cws: may be, the About page still is full of images instead of clear short text. and i even prefer links to to fitting pages on mentioned sites. like in this case to a LF article about "look, we have a partnership with edx". |
| 12:37.32 | ramzy | and i dont have man |
| 12:37.56 | cws | That's not what you were told to do. |
| 12:38.21 | ratrace | ramzy: first of all, it's not --list-install but --list-tasks . now, if you don't have the manpage, then install it. apt install man-db |
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| 12:39.25 | ramzy | ratrace: "unable to locae package man-db" |
| 12:40.29 | ratrace | ramzy: did you remember to `apt update` after fixing sources.list? |
| 12:40.41 | ramzy | yes |
| 12:40.53 | ratrace | ramzy: can you pastebin the contents of your sources.list please? |
| 12:41.13 | ramzy | ok one sec |
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| 12:45.33 | jelly | ramzy, you want all three of those that the bot mentioned, three separate lines for /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:46.09 | ramzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.10 | ramzy | https://ibb.co/VLwbt3s |
| 12:46.33 | ratrace | ramzy: yeah, not good. what jelly said. all three. |
| 12:47.06 | mspe | lol |
| 12:47.18 | ramzy | so i should put all 3 links? |
| 12:47.29 | oxek | that sources.list is a result of netinstall without access to internet during installation, right? |
| 12:47.45 | ratrace | ramzy: what do you think "all three" means? |
| 12:47.49 | ratrace | !sources.list |
| 12:47.49 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 12:47.57 | cws | oxek: near as we can tell |
| 12:48.02 | ratrace | that's three "deb ..." lines to put in your sources.list |
| 12:48.03 | ramzy | oxek: yes |
| 12:48.34 | ramzy | ratrace: okay.. one sec |
| 12:48.39 | ratrace | and I'm >< this close to stop feeding a help vampire. if you're unable to make these conclusions yourself....... sell taht computer and go do something entirely different. |
| 12:48.47 | jelly | .feed ratrace |
| 12:48.49 | oxek | I'd say it's something that should be fixed, and put deb.debian.org mirror for the repos as a default fallback. |
| 12:48.52 | jelly | !feed ratrace |
| 12:48.53 | dpkg | feeds ratrace to the crocs. |
| 12:48.58 | mspe | I really wonder why they decided to leave this crippled sources.list in case of failure, they should leave a proper internet setup, in case the network comes back |
| 12:49.09 | mspe | cause beginners get completely lost ^^ |
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| 12:49.21 | oxek | mspe: my point exactly |
| 12:49.21 | ratrace | jelly: s/he was fed the factoid at least two times before you :) |
| 12:49.41 | mspe | oops, sorry, took a million years to type |
| 12:49.51 | jelly | ratrace, yes, I scrolled back and decided it'd be nice to do it again justin case |
| 12:51.31 | jelly | mspe, debian used to rely on the mirror network and it used to be kind of important to pick the closest one. 15 years ago maybe. The CDN with a fixed URL is a recent development. |
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| 12:52.16 | jelly | the failure mode of "no mirror at all" was at some point better than "everyone hammering on ftp.us.debian.org" or such |
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| 12:53.41 | mspe | ok, but hasn't it been cdn-based since stretch? |
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| 12:54.12 | ramzy | @nope... gives me same old error |
| 12:54.16 | oxek | mspe: jessie had httpredir |
| 12:54.25 | ramzy | ratrace: .. |
| 12:54.42 | ratrace | ramzy: which one precisely? |
| 12:54.54 | jelly | ramzy, show your sources.list now, and the output of "apt update" and "apt-cache policy" |
| 12:54.56 | ratrace | ramzy: and please do another screen shot of your sources.list |
| 12:55.07 | ramzy | [14:25] ramzy: "404 Not found [ip: ***:***:**:*** 80] |
| 12:55.07 | ramzy | [14:25] ramzy: E: The repository 'http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/updates Release' does not have a release file |
| 12:55.07 | ramzy | [14:25] ramzy: N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and therefore disabled by default |
| 12:55.07 | ramzy | [14:25] ramzy: N: see apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user config details |
| 12:55.20 | jelly | !paste |
| 12:55.20 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 12:55.25 | oxek | ramzy: you copied it incorrectly |
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| 12:55.59 | mspe | I don't really care cause for my daily use I have file:/ urls in my sources.list, but I'm thinking about people not really familiar with apt ^^ (like ramzy for example) |
| 12:56.17 | oxek | ramzy: here's my sources.list https://0x0.st/-Pow.txt |
| 12:56.43 | ratrace | eats a few more cloves of garlic |
| 12:57.26 | ramzy | https://ibb.co/y5dG39R |
| 12:57.36 | oxek | ratrace: a friend of mine ate an entire raw onion and garlic with no issues. Positives of being covid positive I guess. |
| 12:57.57 | ratrace | omg! |
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| 12:58.02 | gateway2000 | lol |
| 12:59.04 | oxek | ratrace: compare your sources.list to what I posted above |
| 12:59.07 | ramzy | ratrace: here https://ibb.co/y5dG39R |
| 12:59.32 | oxek | ehh, I mean ramzy |
| 12:59.40 | mspe | ramzy: remove /updates in your 2nd line! |
| 12:59.43 | ratrace | ramzy: I have to ask, I'm not being facetious. Are you dyslexic or something? Do you need differently formatted factoids or help to see what exactly to put in sources.list? Serious question, I'm not mocking. |
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| 13:00.27 | ramzy | ratrace: no.. |
| 13:00.32 | ratrace | it's perfectly fine if there's that requirement, we just need to understand why you're failing to read and use the factoid's information to properly configure sources.list. |
| 13:00.40 | ratrace | !sources.list |
| 13:00.40 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 13:00.56 | mspe | my own sources.list is chaotic: https://ttm.sh/uTK.list |
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| 13:01.58 | ratrace | ramzy: you can use oxek's paste, if you find this factoid hard to read. just use http instead of https (I think https requires special setup) and don't add buster-backports line unless you really want to |
| 13:02.01 | jelly | I won't even dare paste mine |
| 13:02.02 | Juerd | Hi! I can't get bluetooth audio working on Bullseye: "Failed to open module module-bluez5-device.so: module-bluez5-device.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". But pulseaudio-module-bluetooth is installed and /usr/lib/pulse-14.2/modules/module-bluez5-device.so exists. Connecting and pairing bluetooth audio devices works, but no new sinks are showing up. Any suggestions? |
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| 13:02.38 | mspe | ratrace: since buster I think that apt-transport-https is included |
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| 13:02.46 | leafwiz | Hello. I have installed the latest version of Debian. I want to add a new nic to my network, but there are no config under /etc/network/interfaces. But after base install I have wifi connectivity. I wonder where this config is? So I have wlan0, working ok. but I don't know how this works, and I want to add wlan1. My plan was to just copy the settings from wlan0. |
| 13:02.48 | ratrace | ramzy: oxek uses the non-free component as well, so if that's against your.... policy.... don't add taht component, use just main and contrib |
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| 13:03.14 | oxek | contrib can't work without non-free, no? |
| 13:03.18 | ratrace | mspe: I don't know if it's automatic now, but just in case it isn't and to avoid many more "doesn't work" posts.... go plain :) |
| 13:03.35 | ratrace | oxek: it can afaik, it's usually the other way around, non-free stuff needing deps from contrib |
| 13:04.00 | oxek | hmm, I thought contrib means "stuff that is under a free license, but depends on stuff that isn't" |
| 13:04.26 | leafwiz | I have been looking into this guide, but it seems not to be valid? https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Starting_and_Stopping_Interfaces |
| 13:04.37 | leafwiz | I have debian 10.9 |
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| 13:04.56 | ratrace | oxek: you might be right actually: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive#s-contrib |
| 13:05.08 | oxek | it's rare that I'm right :D |
| 13:06.09 | ratrace | according to that policy document, it's both. may or may not work without non-free, depending on the package |
| 13:06.25 | ramzy | ratrace: i use http not https |
| 13:06.26 | ramzy | >and don't add buster-backports |
| 13:06.26 | ramzy | dont know what that means |
| 13:06.48 | ratrace | ramzy: it was in reference to oxek's paste, if you wanted to use THAT list to build your sources.list |
| 13:06.57 | oxek | ramzy: my sources list contain 4 lines, you can just use the first three lines instead of all four |
| 13:07.13 | ratrace | !backports |
| 13:07.13 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 13:07.17 | oxek | but nothing will break if you keep it all as I posted it |
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| 13:08.09 | oxek | just give us another screenshot once you're done editing your sources.list |
| 13:08.21 | ramzy | ratrace: whats wrong with it rn? |
| 13:09.43 | ramzy | !sources.list |
| 13:09.44 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 13:11.08 | ratrace | ramzy: what's "wrong" is that you shouldn't add sources you don't understand what they do, and how to use them. in this case it's technically not a problem if you leave it, it won't be used unless you explicitly mentioned buster-backports in your apt commands |
| 13:11.30 | ratrace | but I prefer the "least privilege policy" approach in all things, and thus I prefer not including things that aren't explicitly needed or understood. |
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| 13:11.58 | ratrace | minimizes probability of things going wrong accidentally. |
| 13:12.10 | oxek | what ratrace is saying is a good point |
| 13:12.53 | oxek | ramzy: a simplified sources.list just for you https://0x0.st/-bjm.txt |
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| 13:15.40 | ramzy | oxek: THANK YOU |
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| 13:16.24 | oxek | it's almost identical to what dpkg suggested above |
| 13:16.53 | ratrace | it's literally identical. |
| 13:16.55 | ramzy | ratrace: also thank you tho you called me retarded |
| 13:17.00 | oxek | ramzy: trailing / |
| 13:17.03 | oxek | I don't have it |
| 13:17.07 | oxek | ratrace: ... |
| 13:17.13 | oxek | I keep autocompleting wrong nicks, sorry |
| 13:17.15 | ratrace | ramzy: so you're now offending dyslexic people, because being dyslexic isnt' retarded |
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| 13:18.42 | oxek | ratrace: asking if someone is dyslexic or has some sort of learning disability is not the same as calling them retarded. If we know you have some sort of issue with understanding instructions, it means that we might be more understanding and simplify things even further beyond what would normally be required. |
| 13:18.49 | oxek | ramzy ... |
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| 13:18.51 | oxek | I need abreak |
| 13:19.10 | gateway2000 | Juerd do you have package bluetooth installed |
| 13:19.17 | oxek | (and find out how my client does nick autocompletion priority) |
| 13:19.26 | ratrace | oxek: "trailing /" oh I see |
| 13:19.32 | Juerd | gateway2000: Yes |
| 13:19.32 | cws | oxek: possibly most recent "speaker"? |
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| 13:20.11 | Juerd | gateway2000: The actual bluetooth connection works, but there appears to be an issue with pulse loading a module |
| 13:20.16 | oxek | ratrace: I found that including the trailing / makes people miss out the space after it, so that it ends up "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/buster main". So I don't include the trailing / anymore |
| 13:20.27 | ratrace | oxek: wise |
| 13:21.14 | oxek | not sure if it's wisdom, or just learning what mistakes others make |
| 13:21.38 | Ede|Popede | it *is* wise to learn from other people's mistake |
| 13:21.39 | Ede|Popede | s |
| 13:21.48 | ramzy | ratrace: i dont even know what dyslexic means |
| 13:21.55 | oxek | I'm happy that the sources.list for bullseye has made the debian-security line less prone to mistakes |
| 13:22.02 | Ede|Popede | or humanity would have poisoned itself before invention of the wheel |
| 13:22.29 | oxek | Ede|Popede: we'd probably just end up with people genetically resistant to those poisons instead |
| 13:22.39 | ratrace | ramzy: it's a range of difficulties in reading text. it has nothing to do with intelligence, or being "retarded". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyslexia |
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| 13:23.14 | ratrace | there's no shame in being dyslexic, and for a text-only medium, if someone IS, then it'd prudent people know and understand where the repeated inability to read three lines of text comes from. |
| 13:23.58 | ramzy | >: it's a range of difficulties in reading text. it has nothing to do with intelligence |
| 13:23.59 | ramzy | ratrace: oh... i guess im dyslexic |
| 13:24.14 | Ede|Popede | there's a reason why so many sites offer "simple text" already. |
| 13:24.30 | ramzy | also didn't mean to offend anyone sorry... |
| 13:24.41 | Ede|Popede | seems to occur more often than most people maybe would expect |
| 13:25.19 | ratrace | yeah. |
| 13:25.46 | ramzy | ratrace: is it genetic? |
| 13:25.58 | ratrace | ramzy: the wikipedia page has all the details :) |
| 13:26.17 | ratrace | "up to 20% of the general population may have some degree of symptoms" ... not a small number. |
| 13:26.40 | NetTerminalGene | Ede|Popede: in a man page it says "information about it can be found in Whatever FAQ" Whatever FAQ is underlined. how can i go that page in a man page? do you know? |
| 13:26.44 | oxek | even simpler words https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyslexia |
| 13:27.02 | ratrace | oh, neat |
| 13:27.34 | oxek | I use simple.wikipedia.org when I need to copy something from wikipedia and make it not as obvious that it is coming from wikipedia |
| 13:27.43 | ratrace | lol |
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| 13:27.55 | flrnd | *claps* |
| 13:29.12 | Ede|Popede | NetTerminalGene: i think some alternatives to man(1) have the option to link man pages. maybe woman(1) does. or at least it would happen on a doc server. |
| 13:30.01 | flrnd | oxek: I use https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker to detect wikipedians (students) |
| 13:30.03 | Ede|Popede | oxek: these are the moments when i mish the old bash days :) |
| 13:30.04 | flrnd | https://www.grammarly.com/report?alerts=NobwRAxghgLgpgcwPYCcCeYBcYDCSC2ADgAoCuAdhDGADRgIpKmFZhmUymwCWS5tkWIlRoAEqXxR%2B2dlS4xe5AATdlEAoSbkAJgHp1RADZwAHkoDOccvEpxzA9RWqYAjAF8a4aPGTpWAdVRtVTt7OgYmFmwAZRg0YwchXzEJKQCgtAsrGwg7By1nACYPLySRVmJDKARuKBRuc3wBCOYKqpq6hqa6b2F0cUlpMABVclRuGvIoQyV1a2z8pywXAAYVksEfcuxAlG0cAAskblzmxlbsAFFyA6lc-AWesv7Uod3tWaOTuEXrLGKALpAA&page=plagiarism&breadcrumbs=true |
| 13:30.18 | flrnd | shit sorry, the link shoudlnt be there |
| 13:30.21 | oxek | that's one ugly url :) |
| 13:30.25 | flrnd | yeah |
| 13:32.21 | flrnd | s/shoudlnt/shouldn't |
| 13:32.53 | oxek | plagiarism is a tough issue. If the question you're answering has already been answered by someone else, then it's a bad question and you shouldn't be wasting time with it. But that's the school system for you... |
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| 13:34.51 | ramzy | ill disconnect now guys, thanks for the help and support |
| 13:35.37 | Ede|Popede | ramzy, hf and good luck |
| 13:35.51 | ratrace | ramzy: all fixed? |
| 13:36.24 | oxek | is it confession hour yet? Ok, I'll start. For years I believed that hf stands for high-five. |
| 13:38.08 | ramzy | ratrace: yep fixed it , did apt update and ran 'tasksel' gave me a gui with most comen disktop eviroments and im installing it rn |
| 13:38.16 | ratrace | ramzy: excellent! |
| 13:38.19 | ratrace | !next |
| 13:38.19 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 13:39.21 | ramzy | ratrace: lol...thanks |
| 13:39.28 | ramzy | have a good day |
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| 14:46.59 | Elodin | Hi, i just installed buster and i was trying to change user through usermod and it doesn't have it how do i proceed to achieve the same results? |
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| 14:48.22 | Elodin | oh i installed sudo but sbin isnt in path somehow |
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| 14:50.16 | Elodin | solved |
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| 14:58.05 | oxek | "if it doesn't autocomplete, it doesn't exist" |
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| 15:00.28 | Juerd | I can't get bluetooth audio working on Bullseye: "Failed to open module module-bluez5-device.so: module-bluez5-device.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". But pulseaudio-module-bluetooth is installed and /usr/lib/pulse-14.2/modules/module-bluez5-device.so exists. Connecting and pairing bluetooth audio devices works, but no new sinks are showing up. Any suggestions? |
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| 15:01.04 | Elodin | oxek: well why wouldnt sbin be in path tho? |
| 15:01.18 | ratrace | !tell Elodin about buster su |
| 15:01.57 | ratrace | ,v pulseaudio |
| 15:01.58 | judd | Package: pulseaudio on amd64 -- jessie: 5.0-13; stretch: 10.0-1+deb9u1; buster: 12.2-4+deb10u1; buster-backports: 13.0-3~bpo10+1; bullseye: 14.2-2; sid: 14.2-2 |
| 15:02.10 | ratrace | !tell Juerd about debian-next |
| 15:02.34 | Elodin | gotcha, thanks |
| 15:02.40 | Juerd | ratrace: Thank you :) |
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| 15:32.36 | hansol | guys |
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| 15:32.52 | hansol | usermod: command not found |
| 15:32.59 | hansol | but i have installed sudo |
| 15:34.14 | gateway2000 | did you do sudo usermod |
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| 15:36.34 | hansol | ahh |
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| 15:38.05 | jhutchins | !manual |
| 15:38.05 | dpkg | If you are looking for manuals, guides and procedures focusing on Debian - from a user perspective, the administrator's view and others - see http://www.debian.org/doc/ . Also ask me about <reference> and <grounding>. |
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| 16:18.55 | oxek | !automatic |
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| 16:25.13 | hansol | guys |
| 16:25.21 | hansol | i have installed debian with hyper-v |
| 16:25.35 | hansol | but cant to make it with local ip |
| 16:25.51 | hansol | have somthening like 172.21.144.1 |
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| 16:47.47 | slowly_stuck | it's not able to get a DHCP lease? |
| 16:48.37 | petn-randall | slowly_stuck: Who? I think you need to provide context to get a meaningful answer. |
| 16:49.01 | petn-randall | !context |
| 16:49.01 | dpkg | Try to give enough context! For example, let us know which command/program you are running, what you expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as possible. If your command produced output, share the complete command (with all parameters!) and its output on https://paste.debian.net. |
| 16:50.47 | slowly_stuck | sorry petn-randall - was trying to ask hansol. But apparently he already left :) |
| 16:50.51 | ratrace | petn-randall: I think it's a response to (no longer here) hansol |
| 16:51.06 | ratrace | laaaaaag |
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| 16:54.07 | ramzy | hey |
| 16:54.16 | ramzy | i have a problem |
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| 16:55.09 | oxek | welcome back ramzy |
| 16:55.10 | ramzy | when i try performing commands it says "Read-only file system" |
| 16:55.23 | ramzy | oxek: thank :) |
| 16:55.29 | ramzy | *s |
| 16:55.36 | oxek | give an example of the commands you're trying to run |
| 16:55.51 | ramzy | tasksel or touch |
| 16:56.16 | ratrace | ramzy: there's probably no rootfs entry in fstab and you're booting into readonly fs |
| 16:56.36 | ratrace | this assumption is based on your previous claim of botched/interrupted installation |
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| 16:57.23 | hansol | how are you guys |
| 16:57.51 | ramzy | i changed the location of the vm folder and it worked then (while downloading kde) mom stopped it |
| 16:58.50 | ramzy | knowing my mom she probaly just alt+f4 without properly shuting it down |
| 16:59.54 | ramzy | ratrace: so.. do i need to reinstall it or is there a fix? |
| 17:00.38 | ratrace | ramzy: first, that _is_ the root filesystem, yes? |
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| 17:01.14 | ramzy | im logged in as root if that's what you mean? |
| 17:01.27 | petn-randall | ramzy: Is this a fresh install? If so, I'd simply reinstall to be sure it's set up properly. |
| 17:01.45 | petn-randall | That's at least a fool-proof way of getting a running Debian system. |
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| 17:02.22 | ramzy | petn-randall: i prefer trying to fix it first |
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| 17:03.01 | ratrace | ramzy: can you pastebin /etc/fstab and output of `mount` ? |
| 17:03.36 | ramzy | ratrace: ok..1 sec |
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| 17:07.46 | nicoz | evening all |
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| 17:13.04 | ramzy | https://ibb.co/NjLg0k7 |
| 17:13.05 | ramzy | https://ibb.co/ZKnZG4T |
| 17:14.15 | ratrace | ramzy: sda1 on / type ext4 => ro |
| 17:15.12 | ratrace | ramzy: try mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 17:18.21 | ramzy | "cannot remount /dev/sda1 |
| 17:19.29 | ratrace | ramzy: it's possible you got some issues with the disk then. can you screenshot: dmesg | grep " sd " ? |
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| 17:21.36 | ramzy | ratrace: ?v |
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| 17:24.35 | karlpinc | Whenever I see people installing I point out "firmware", so... |
| 17:24.41 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 17:24.41 | dpkg | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
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| 17:26.53 | ratrace | ramzy: what? |
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| 17:29.26 | ramzy | https://ibb.co/L9htvHy |
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| 17:32.55 | oxek | 8GiB device? |
| 17:33.07 | oxek | virtual disk, or some sort of USB stick? |
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| 17:34.53 | shtrb | Should contributors.debian.org have name list for each person who opened a bug in 2021 ? |
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| 17:36.04 | karlpinc | shtrb: A bug report is a contribution.... (Why are you asking us?) |
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| 17:36.38 | shtrb | I doubt only 1000 users had sent bugs so far (I believe it should be much more) |
| 17:37.28 | shtrb | *1009 |
| 17:37.54 | oxek | well I haven't managed to send a single bug yet |
| 17:38.32 | shtrb | Maybe contributor are ones "registered" in the debian ? |
| 17:38.55 | karlpinc | shtrb: I reported a bug, but am not on the list. |
| 17:39.22 | shtrb | Oh , thanks , so it's broken :) we should file a bug against it :) |
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| 17:41.30 | karlpinc | The "data source" for bugs.debian.org says "proof of concept".... |
| 17:43.45 | shtrb | :) |
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| 17:50.10 | shtrb | speaking of bugs, can I close a bug with reportbug (or any other command line tool ) ? |
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| 18:04.00 | shtrb | so my only option is an e-mail, ok then |
| 18:06.35 | somiaj | shtrb: look at the devscripts package, contains various tools to help with things (such as bts for help with the bts) -- sure emails are used but it helps automate it |
| 18:07.06 | shtrb | thanks ! |
| 18:07.08 | somiaj | https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/devscripts/bts.1.en.html |
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| 18:15.09 | tosted | !nftables |
| 18:15.10 | dpkg | nftables is the next generation of iptables, incorporating both v4 and v6: https://wiki.debian.org/nftables |
| 18:15.21 | tosted | !iptables |
| 18:15.21 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables or ask me about <iptables-restore>. http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.freenode.net. See also <ferm>, <lartc>, <masq>, <ulogd>. |
| 18:15.28 | somiaj | tosted: you can /msg dpkg nftables -- no need to spam the channel |
| 18:15.54 | tosted | not spammer...i hate spammers! |
| 18:15.55 | tosted | tks |
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| 18:25.54 | shtrb | karlpinc, I think I found at least at first a contributors list was parsed based on @debian e-mails and not the general public https://alioth-lists-archive.debian.net/pipermail/newmaint-site/Week-of-Mon-20131028/000032.html |
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| 18:35.21 | shtrb | somiaj, what am I missing , I run "bts --no-conf bugs from:dddddd@debian.org" but get an empty html file when I know I used the correct e-mail from bug report . (the e-mail is valid) |
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| 18:37.35 | somiaj | not quite sure, I'm not that familar with the tools, have only used them once or twice. You may find more people familar with the tools on oftc, maybe #debian-mentors |
| 18:37.45 | somiaj | not quite on topic there, but there are lots there familar with that tool |
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| 18:38.53 | shtrb | thanks , and sorry |
| 18:39.05 | MeRaZi | greetings everybody |
| 18:39.26 | somiaj | no problem, and aer you trying to search bugs, or do you want sensible-browser(1) to open you to the bug report? |
| 18:39.49 | somiaj | shtrb: also if you give it a bug number does it work? |
| 18:40.21 | shtrb | didn't try to via a bug number, was trying to search all bugs ever reported by a user |
| 18:40.36 | shtrb | to see what was already closed |
| 18:40.41 | somiaj | but it appears you want 'bts select submitter:foo@bar' if you want to slect all bugs from a particular submitter |
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| 18:41.43 | shtrb | same result :-( with select , I will find my way to oftc |
| 18:41.44 | shtrb | sorry |
| 18:41.50 | tosted | how to check if packages installed are realy necessary? |
| 18:42.05 | somiaj | shtrb: https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/devscripts/devscripts.1.en.html -- bts has a list of depends in that manpage -- do you ahve them all installed |
| 18:42.16 | somiaj | shtrb: it is fine, I just don't know the answer, so kinda have to look it up and try things |
| 18:42.18 | tosted | really* |
| 18:42.31 | somiaj | tosted: define 'necessary' |
| 18:43.17 | tosted | its a workstation, driving office docs and surfing web... |
| 18:43.24 | shtrb | somiaj, shouldn't dpkg be responsible to depends installation |
| 18:43.32 | somiaj | tosted: in debian most things are not 'necessary' except those with priority higher than standard, but I don't think that is what you mean. |
| 18:44.08 | somiaj | shtrb: I would assume it would be, just something I noticed I thought you could double check |
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| 18:44.23 | shtrb | thanks again |
| 18:44.35 | somiaj | shtrb: also might want to install the pacakge from backports, to get the newer improvements (if any) |
| 18:45.03 | tosted | but there is many packages installed with gdm and anothers when i newbie in debian were installing without some knowlodge! |
| 18:45.25 | somiaj | shtrb: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/devscripts -- it looks like most the depends on recommends, so by default should be installed, but not everyone installs recommends. |
| 18:46.11 | tosted | were installed* |
| 18:46.25 | shtrb | wait I was wrong ,it's a missing file not an empty one |
| 18:47.16 | somiaj | tosted: well due to depends, things installed should be needed if you wanted to full desktop, you can of course change which packages are installed and autoremove should remove undeeded depends. |
| 18:47.55 | somiaj | tosted: there are also tools like 'aptitude why packagename' which will tell you why a package is installed (such as another package depends or recommends it), and tools like deborphan that find installed pacakges, mostly libaries, that are installed but nothing depends on them. |
| 18:48.15 | somiaj | tosted: but necessary is user dependent, and it really depends on what software you want installed and tools you want avilable to you. |
| 18:48.40 | tosted | is there some tool to chekc SINCE the package NOT loaded/used? |
| 18:49.09 | somiaj | not that I know of off the top of my head. |
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| 18:49.44 | shtrb | had seen cvs-buildpackage in suggested and started to gigel |
| 18:50.05 | tosted | example...A2PS last use were in 2019 |
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| 18:50.27 | tosted | example...A2PS last use were in 2019 or something like that |
| 18:52.00 | shtrb | somiaj, someone at debian-mentors had pointed the issue for me , I should have closed the browser before using bts |
| 18:52.30 | somiaj | shtrb: oh nice, (: |
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| 19:07.01 | jhutchins | tosted: Disk space is cheap these days, don't worry too much about it. |
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| 19:08.32 | tosted | jhutchins: maybe disk space is not the problem. |
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| 19:09.38 | craigevil | deborphan lies, always run apt with -s before removing what it says isn't needed |
| 19:10.14 | somiaj | or at least look at what is going to happen before you hit 'Y', as always |
| 19:10.26 | craigevil | +! |
| 19:10.37 | craigevil | yes or that |
| 19:11.10 | somiaj | wonder if there is an option like -s that won't actually simulate but only list what would be done, I personally don't like -s because of all the additional output it gives beyone just stating what will be intalled/removed/upgraded |
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| 19:13.42 | twobitsprite | been a while since I had to build a new PC, so what's the latest on GPU support these days? is it still mostly nVidia, or has AMD support improved enough for video rendering/gaming/etc? |
| 19:14.28 | somiaj | I still think the non-free nvidia drivers are suprioer, but amd has far suppior open (not fully free due to non-free firmware) drivers |
| 19:14.29 | sney | amdgpu is pretty good these days, and not as many hoops to jump through to make the driver work |
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| 19:15.25 | sney | however, if you're hoping to use opencl/cuda kind of stuff, it's still nvidia |
| 19:15.49 | lns | I upgraded to 10.9 and my system isn't booting due to nf_tables module (general protection fault). If I blacklist module nf_tables, it boots. Any idea what's going on? |
| 19:15.50 | twobitsprite | sney: I'm looking to build a media center PC, so mostly rendering/converting video |
| 19:16.10 | twobitsprite | maybe some gaming, but probably nothing too intense |
| 19:16.18 | somiaj | amdgpu I think would be fine for that, and you get the advantage of open drivers |
| 19:16.31 | twobitsprite | somiaj: cool, thanks |
| 19:16.32 | shtrb | and could openly mine bitcoins :) |
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| 19:16.46 | sney | yeah, or just make your choice based on availability/price, afaik the gpu market is still a bit stupid |
| 19:16.51 | jem | Hi, I can't get hibernation to work, when I do "systemctl hibernate" I get "Failed to hibernate system via logind: Sleep verb "hibernate" not supported", and Google isn't helping |
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| 19:17.50 | twobitsprite | sney: yeah, but if possible I'd like to support AMD since they've been kinder to the open source community |
| 19:17.56 | jem | I've also enabled the options in sleep.conf and grub configuration |
| 19:18.05 | twobitsprite | (at least, last I head. inb4 nvidia heads jump me :P) |
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| 19:18.18 | sney | no, that's accurate |
| 19:18.48 | twobitsprite | cool, thanks |
| 19:19.07 | shtrb | somiaj, so after some tinkering and help bts can be used with an e-mail client instead of a browser like this : "bts --mbox --no-mutt show 963742" one should also setup devscripts (credit to pert for BTS_MAIL_READER="kmail --view %s" ) |
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| 19:19.49 | somiaj | shtrb: yea the devscripts are quite nice if you spend a lot of time with the bts and other developer like tools |
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| 19:21.13 | shtrb | expected he would have more bugs than what he found with bts |
| 19:21.41 | somiaj | shtrb: is it listing closed bugs too? |
| 19:21.54 | shtrb | if you set archive:both |
| 19:22.29 | somiaj | maybe whoever didn't file as many bugs as they thought? Or maybe it just only finds up to X number of enteries, though here I'm just guessing. |
| 19:22.29 | shtrb | somiaj, bts --no-conf select submitter:user@domain.org archive:both | wc -l |
| 19:23.08 | shtrb | somiaj, I'm checking myself, it seems that I had over estimated the amount of bugs I had sent |
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| 19:23.18 | jem | Hi? |
| 19:23.27 | shtrb | Hi je |
| 19:23.57 | jem | Hi, shtrb, did you read my question? |
| 19:24.30 | shtrb | yes, unfortunately I do not know :-( |
| 19:24.34 | somiaj | jem: are you using secure boot? |
| 19:24.36 | jem | Oh :( |
| 19:25.11 | jem | somiaj: I've disabled fast boot in the BIOS, there are options about secure boot but I haven't seen anything about disabling |
| 19:25.19 | shtrb | jem , did you try systemctl hibernate |
| 19:25.21 | jem | Or maybe I don't know where tto look |
| 19:25.25 | jem | Yes, shtrb |
| 19:25.31 | somiaj | jem: also do you have swap that is bigenough for this? |
| 19:25.51 | jem | Almost as big |
| 19:26.05 | somiaj | Just google gave me an issue where hibernate was failing if using secure boot (though unless you configured to do this probabaly aren't using it), and your swap needs to be big enough to hold all the memeory |
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| 19:26.44 | jem | But I don't get any message about swap not being big enough... |
| 19:26.45 | somiaj | yea don't really know either, I don't use hibernate, just going off of my quick google search. |
| 19:26.57 | jem | Ok, thanks anyway |
| 19:27.52 | jem | Do you think I can be more lucky asking later? Or someone in particular? |
| 19:28.03 | somiaj | jem: what does 'cat /sys/power/disk' output? |
| 19:28.34 | jem | somiaj: [disabled] |
| 19:28.42 | somiaj | jem: also put the output of 'free -h' too, put all the output of these commands at paste.debian.net |
| 19:28.51 | jem | Ok |
| 19:28.57 | somiaj | well that at least says why it is disabled, I have no clue how to enable it though |
| 19:29.04 | somiaj | I mean not why, but that it is disabled |
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| 19:29.47 | somiaj | though you said 'swap is almost as big', does this mean it is smaller? |
| 19:30.15 | somiaj | Anyways the only thing I'm finding from google is make sure you aren't using secure boot, make sure you aren't using "Modern Standby" or some other more windows style acpi option, make sure your swap > ram |
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| 19:30.53 | jem | somiaj: I stated 16 Gb and I have 16 Gb RAM, but the rounding didn't helpme |
| 19:30.56 | jem | help me* |
| 19:31.21 | jem | In fact free -h says 15 Gi Mem and 14 Gi Swap |
| 19:31.22 | somiaj | unsure if the issue is swap size, or some firmware/bios setting. |
| 19:31.38 | somiaj | but it shoulds like maybe you should add another gig or two to swap to make sure |
| 19:32.27 | jem | Ok, somiaj, but is that easy when there is another data partition after the swap? |
| 19:32.49 | somiaj | you may have to resize multiple thinsg to get it to work, and it depends on if you used lvm or not |
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| 19:33.12 | somiaj | though here as I said, it maybe more due to some firmware/bios setting, all I'm sharing is common issues I found with my googlefu |
| 19:33.25 | jem | Not sure about that, I just followed the installation process |
| 19:33.26 | jem | Ok |
| 19:33.43 | jem | I'll check more carefully about disabling secure boot |
| 19:34.49 | jem | Thanks again, I'll report in a minute |
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| 19:46.52 | zln__ | Hi, how do I restart everything network-related instead of restarting the whole os? Is it systemd-netword that need to be restarted? |
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| 19:49.50 | jem | somiaj: I removed the keys of the secure boot in the BIOS and hibernation has worked perfectly, thank you :) |
| 19:50.34 | jem | I hope I won't use 14 Gb of RAM usually, but will face that problem if it appears |
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| 20:04.33 | asterismo | hi, i'm experiencing a problem |
| 20:04.52 | asterismo | i installed clementine music player |
| 20:05.03 | asterismo | and i'm trying to use it through VNC |
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| 20:05.21 | asterismo | but it appears that keyboard input is somehow corrupted |
| 20:05.49 | asterismo | on the entire VNC desktop, after i close clementine, everything goes back to normal |
| 20:06.02 | asterismo | what can be causing this odd behavior? |
| 20:06.10 | somiaj | is clementine a package in debian? |
| 20:06.38 | petn-randall | ,v clementine |
| 20:06.39 | judd | Package: clementine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.2.3+dfsg-2+b1; stretch: 1.3.1+git276-g3485bbe43+dfsg-1; buster: 1.3.1+git609-g623a53681+dfsg-1; bullseye: 1.4.0~rc1+git347-gfc4cb6fc7+dfsg-1+b1; sid: 1.4.0~rc1+git347-gfc4cb6fc7+dfsg-1+b1 |
| 20:07.27 | asterismo | yes it is, is a kde application |
| 20:07.48 | somiaj | wonder what it is doing to keybindings that is causing vnc to have issues, I don't see any obvious bug reports about this issue. |
| 20:07.59 | asterismo | the VNC client appears not to be the problem, i tested remmina and xvncserver and i get the same thing |
| 20:08.48 | asterismo | somiaj, for the record, i'm not issuing any keybinding, just using the keyboard normally |
| 20:09.15 | somiaj | sure, but clementine might have keybindings that are causing the issue |
| 20:09.35 | FightingFalcon | why did google develop Dart when there is Go? |
| 20:10.21 | somiaj | hmm, found some issue (not directly related), but it mentioned something about locales, could clemetine be trying to use some local you either don't have built or some other issue there. |
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| 20:11.05 | somiaj | asterismo: anyways, I'm not quite sure what the issue could be, I'm not finding any good google hits or bug reports, and don't really know how to try to debug it. |
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| 20:15.54 | jhutchins | jem: It's interesting that it understands "Sleep", but rejects hibernate. |
| 20:16.48 | petn-randall | FightingFalcon: You probably have to ask people at Google. We only offer Debian support here. |
| 20:17.04 | FightingFalcon | ahh wrong channel sorry |
| 20:17.23 | petn-randall | no problem :) |
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| 20:34.09 | asterismo | i cannot execute rhythmbox either |
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| 20:34.30 | asterismo | and banshee is not in debian 10 anymore |
| 20:34.39 | asterismo | ,v banshee |
| 20:34.40 | judd | Package: banshee on amd64 -- jessie: 2.6.2-3; stretch: 2.6.2-6.1 |
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| 21:22.18 | jem | jhutchins: Well, as finally hibernation worked without secure boot, I think that the messages were correct |
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| 21:37.02 | Foxfir3 | how to set a bootflag on a USB flashdrive? |
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| 21:37.42 | Foxfir3 | running cfdisk only gives me my Debian SSD |
| 21:38.14 | dvs | gparted? |
| 21:38.45 | Foxfir3 | console |
| 21:39.33 | Foxfir3 | I have gparted but dont see the option. also there is an issue with gparted and exfatprogs. Im running Bullseye. |
| 21:40.21 | Foxfir3 | creating a win10 usb. copied over the files, but its not bootable. |
| 21:41.19 | dvs | Partition -> Manage flags |
| 21:41.56 | Foxfir3 | dvs: manage flags is greyed out |
| 21:42.11 | dvs | Did you select a partition? |
| 21:43.12 | Mister00X | Foxfir3: there are 2 different tools in debian for exfat one works with gparted the other on does not |
| 21:43.14 | Foxfir3 | dvs: yes. still.. gparted claims that exfatprogs are not installed. |
| 21:43.27 | Foxfir3 | Mister00X: aha :) |
| 21:43.37 | Mister00X | Foxfir3: check if you have exfatprogs installed and not exfat-utils |
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| 21:44.38 | Foxfir3 | Mister00X: exfatprogs are intalled |
| 21:44.57 | Mister00X | Foxfir3: hmm thats the one that should work |
| 21:45.02 | Mister00X | not good |
| 21:45.19 | Foxfir3 | Mister00X: will try to reinstall gparted |
| 21:46.34 | Mister00X | Foxfir3: wait you try to set the bootflag on a exfat drive right? |
| 21:46.45 | Mister00X | is this an uefi machine? |
| 21:46.46 | Foxfir3 | Mister00X: yes |
| 21:46.50 | Foxfir3 | yes |
| 21:47.06 | Mister00X | Foxfir3: uefi works with FAT32 only AFAIK |
| 21:47.18 | Foxfir3 | Mister00X: aaaarg |
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| 21:47.33 | Foxfir3 | Mister00X: okay. will give fat32 a go |
| 21:47.41 | Mister00X | so at least the esp has to be fat32 |
| 21:50.11 | dvs | Oh? This was for the EFI partition? |
| 21:50.32 | Foxfir3 | dvs: yes. i only run the latest stuff :) |
| 21:50.56 | dvs | Way to bury the lead! ;-) |
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| 22:23.12 | asterismo | hi, i'm trying to run rhythmbox on debian 10 through VNC and it is not starting |
| 22:25.06 | asterismo | i get an ugly message here: https://paste.buzon.uy/?05e6285be5d37347#EJKQx1zwjmbiu1wPdRVpM3uu11xUmRL39caBLSwW2V2P |
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| 22:26.12 | asterismo | GLib-GIO-ERROR, Settings schema 'org.gnome.rhythmbox' is not installed |
| 22:26.28 | asterismo | i installed rhythmbox using apt-get install |
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| 22:34.28 | jmcnaught | asterismo: have you tried mpd? |
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| 22:35.23 | asterismo | i'm using butt to stream music to an icecast server, and butt supports banshee, rhythmbox, clementine as music players |
| 22:35.38 | asterismo | clementine does not work on VNC it seems |
| 22:35.48 | asterismo | rhythmbox does not start |
| 22:35.59 | asterismo | and banshee is no longer in the repos |
| 22:36.00 | asterismo | so |
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| 22:37.28 | asterismo | running rhythmbox in a terminal gives GLib-GIO-ERROR, Settings schema 'org.gnome.rhythmbox' is not installed, dont know what the hell is that |
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| 22:38.24 | asterismo | the whole point of having VNC is to be able to execute and control a desktop remotely... none of this seems to work anymore |
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| 22:54.15 | hmw[at] | /run/screen regularly loses permissions 0777 I give it, after screen complains. How can I prevent these permissions to be changed again? |
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| 23:11.23 | jmcnaught | hmw[at]: is this on buster? It could have to do with the setuid/setgid permission on /usr/bin/screen. See what /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian.gz says on this topic. |
| 23:13.15 | hmw[at] | Yes, Buster. Will check. But I don't understand how setuid could cause the file permissions to be changed. I have corrected it about 4 times since my friend re-installed his server. Will read that thing of course, thanks! |
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| 23:15.00 | hmw[at] | Heh. It is right the first question :) |
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| 23:23.56 | busternube | any deb base live dists with Wine preinstalled and working? |
| 23:25.11 | hmw[at] | busternube: Wine should "work" out of the box. Any specific problems, you are encountering? |
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| 23:26.23 | busternube | got it all installed yesterday seemingly correct but running winetest64.exe fails like 10 tests |
| 23:27.51 | busternube | wanted to see it run on something else to compare |
| 23:29.27 | busternube | i screwd this debian netinstall last week, total noob beggin others to diagnose and suggest but after 4 days i tried a live hybrid it just worked all out. |
| 23:30.00 | busternube | so erased and installed it.gpu card problems all solved. |
| 23:30.19 | busternube | took 15 minuted to reinstall the os |
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| 23:31.05 | busternube | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:33.25 | hmw[at] | Never knew, winetest was a thing before. From what I gathered, 10 failed tests may be OK. Trying it now here, it throws a bunch of errors at me, before it even starts up... |
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| 23:34.06 | busternube | https://embeddedinventor.com/best-linux-distros-with-wine-preinstalled-an-analysis/ |
| 23:34.17 | busternube | speak of the devil |
| 23:35.22 | hmw[at] | I haven't have my usual wine apps crash for years now, under several distros, though |
| 23:36.08 | hmw[at] | For me it is mostly wine <programname> or fiddling around a bit with winetricks before that |
| 23:36.30 | busternube | downloaded an old pc game from my hardwares era to try |
| 23:36.47 | busternube | need for speed 3 |
| 23:36.56 | hmw[at] | :) sweet memories |
| 23:37.19 | busternube | i figure it could be my waek gpu its onboard old am3 stuff |
| 23:38.11 | busternube | all those demos are at archive.org |
| 23:40.00 | hmw[at] | If you'd like to chat, come over to #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:40.40 | busternube | ah ok |
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