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| 03:14.10 | dannylee | its a great day t0000 be alive.... |
| 03:14.32 | dvs | Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!! |
| 03:15.56 | dannylee | it just took a vew days to tweak my machine to keep you hacker out...buster is my new G0D???? |
| 03:17.09 | dannylee | now i have a rfeally long passcode |
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| 03:19.59 | dannylee | Debian is really Good,,,all the hackers get into my fedora machine...now i have debian on all my computer... |
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| 03:21.15 | dannylee | hackers delete my cut copy an paste commands...i just don"t no how they do IT>>> |
| 03:22.32 | dannylee | they some how get into my root... |
| 03:24.34 | dannylee | i was on the #emacs channel...they said they were scanning me...then my computer was history... |
| 03:25.52 | dannylee | now my root password ****************** is this |
| 03:26.48 | dannylee | fedora has allot of whole i guess |
| 03:28.26 | dannylee | and my port are now Block.... |
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| 05:43.49 | rustyshackleford | is there a good "file manager" besides ls? |
| 05:44.23 | rustyshackleford | something like tree, but maybe with an curses sort of interface |
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| 05:47.33 | nkuttler | rustyshackleford: what kind of tasks do you want to perform primarily? |
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| 05:49.58 | rustyshackleford | nkuttler: so I've got a messy drive |
| 05:50.13 | rustyshackleford | I want to view everything easily. delete what I don't want |
| 05:50.35 | rustyshackleford | then back up to my other drive, and do a sort of visual comparison between the two drives |
| 05:51.24 | cws | rustyshackleford: check out 'mc' |
| 05:51.27 | rustyshackleford | I'm pretty sure rsync is going to be how I back things up. But I like to check that the number of files/folders on each drive matches at the end |
| 05:51.47 | rustyshackleford | oh I should add, headless server. So cli only |
| 05:52.23 | cws | rustyshackleford: Like I said, 'mc'. |
| 05:52.26 | rustyshackleford | cws: looks promising. thanks |
| 06:05.14 | rustyshackleford | I need to get a good backup system in place |
| 06:05.27 | EdePopede | rustyshackleford: addon-tip: its worth looking for its configs in /etc and the user menu system and even more its vfs. treats archives and what not like normal directories |
| 06:06.00 | rustyshackleford | can you expand on that? |
| 06:06.54 | EdePopede | one thing: there are standard actions per filetype. view, edit, execute (f3,f4,enter). everything defined in a config file including commands which get executed for the action |
| 06:08.05 | EdePopede | then the vfs, not only like these "zip folders" in windows, practically with everything that could somehow be treated like a compressed folder. if you ever played an id game, then you know WAD files. i had a handler for them long ago :) |
| 06:10.08 | EdePopede | that's also how it implemets ftp. basically it needs a script with (again) some handlers (commands in this case) for copy and list and what not. all it needs is a `find`/`ls -lR` like output from the script which it eats |
| 06:10.49 | EdePopede | /usr/lib/mc/extfs.d holds the default ones |
| 06:12.08 | rustyshackleford | EdePopede: are you referring to the mc tool? |
| 06:12.14 | EdePopede | yep |
| 06:12.20 | rustyshackleford | ah okay gotcha |
| 06:12.37 | rustyshackleford | I'm wrapping some things up with my docker config and then diving into mc |
| 06:12.51 | rustyshackleford | woohoo I got my Plex server working again |
| 06:12.56 | EdePopede | \o/ |
| 06:13.13 | EdePopede | n.p.: Got my Server working |
| 06:13.44 | rustyshackleford | is this a very old tool? |
| 06:13.58 | rustyshackleford | I'm from the time of GUI interfaces |
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| 06:14.22 | cws | mc has been around for ages. |
| 06:14.31 | EdePopede | it was there when i started with linux which happened during the days kernel 2.0.0 was about to get ready |
| 06:14.42 | cws | 1994 I think. |
| 06:14.54 | EdePopede | the so far only GUI fm i found so far is double commander. |
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| 06:15.06 | EdePopede | and i need coffee -.- |
| 06:16.14 | rustyshackleford | I got into linux around like 2006 |
| 06:16.16 | EdePopede | on dos/win i used some nc clone with some extras (one was it was running in a compatible graphics mode, so included a panel preview even for some image formats) and total commander which has an even more sophisticated addon system. |
| 06:16.23 | rustyshackleford | probably why I became a software dev |
| 06:16.38 | rustyshackleford | but I guess I'm still a youngin' |
| 06:16.57 | EdePopede | the earlier the better, it was easier with a whole distro on 1 or 2 CDs ;) |
| 06:17.21 | rustyshackleford | the internet must have been fun in the 80s |
| 06:17.28 | EdePopede | the age when you start is more important i guess, before you get used to bad design ideas ;) |
| 06:17.50 | EdePopede | don't ask me, i didn't use it until i had my first pc with a modem |
| 06:18.36 | EdePopede | even then i had to pay per minute first, so hanging around wasn't an option |
| 06:19.04 | EdePopede | fido, z, maus, these were the nets of that era. |
| 06:21.16 | rustyshackleford | im not sure if I missed out |
| 06:21.20 | rustyshackleford | or if its better now |
| 06:21.31 | rustyshackleford | the 80s internet seems more "Wild West" |
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| 06:22.56 | EdePopede | cap'n crunch, yes ;) |
| 06:23.26 | rustyshackleford | ha I watched a video about that |
| 06:23.30 | rustyshackleford | phone phreaking |
| 06:23.41 | rustyshackleford | it makes me wonder what you can do today |
| 06:24.02 | EdePopede | but not in the beginning, arpanet and then the first universities and that famous paper. later the first wireless connection with that scandinavian U. |
| 06:24.33 | rustyshackleford | the fact that you can spoof a phone number so easily is idiotic |
| 06:24.39 | EdePopede | just follow IT news, there's something to report every day ;) |
| 06:25.14 | EdePopede | ISDN. they borked the system by design. it's just forbidden and telcos have to not accept fake numbers or to route them, but well. |
| 06:26.10 | EdePopede | and SMS for 1FA also doesn't seem to be as secure as advertised |
| 06:26.45 | rustyshackleford | the amount of spam phone calls I receive every day is insane |
| 06:27.05 | EdePopede | if you can afford failure, diy. or let some hobbyists do it. if you want to risk in on an industrial level just let industry build a WG and release some standard. |
| 06:27.30 | EdePopede | you seem to live in the wrong country then ;) |
| 06:28.14 | EdePopede | cold calls are totally off-topic here for many years already, companies you have a contract with would rather write than phone. it's just cheaper. |
| 06:28.34 | EdePopede | talking 'bout off-topic... *cough* /topic ;) |
| 06:29.38 | EdePopede | ah, the big advantage of terminal tools btw, getting clearer every year and with every new incarnation of Gtk (and sometimes Qt): you don't need a new machine every 2 years |
| 06:30.29 | EdePopede | whenever i start firefox and press C-s immediately it takes up to 5 or 10 seconds until the Save dialog finally gets usable. |
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| 06:55.51 | rustyshackleford | EdePopede: which country do you live in then? |
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| 06:56.04 | rustyshackleford | if spam calls are not a problem? |
| 06:56.21 | iateadonut | how can i pipe the stdoutput of a command and show the line numbers? |
| 06:56.45 | rustyshackleford | pipe it into a file, open it in an editor that shows line numbers? |
| 06:56.56 | pasiz | cat -n |
| 06:57.13 | rustyshackleford | or that. I didn't know that was a thing |
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| 06:57.31 | iateadonut | thanks. |
| 06:57.33 | pasiz | rem tene verba sequentur |
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| 07:01.51 | EdePopede | rustyshackleford: it's Germany, they moved to Luxembourg first, later to Austria. (that's where i got my last ones from at least) |
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| 07:02.52 | EdePopede | then EU regulations may have entered the playfield or w/e. and probably the fact that my phone number hasn't been in the book for a long time now. |
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| 07:04.21 | EdePopede | during monopoly times it was standard to be in it, but then it wasn't as annoying as it became later. so people started to opt out. and now i'm not even sure if it's not only Telekom's customers or everyone. |
| 07:06.44 | rustyshackleford | we have a list called the Do Not Call List |
| 07:07.02 | rustyshackleford | illegal for legitimate businesses to call you after you're on the list |
| 07:07.08 | rustyshackleford | but, most of the calls are scammers |
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| 07:12.07 | EdePopede | i had a call recently, some TV survey. the numbers are random, they use some algorithm, so can't controll it, though i'm sure there's also such a list. and then they also must not supress their number. it just takes a note to the agency and if it looks legitimate they're in trouble. |
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| 07:19.47 | rustyshackleford | cws: mc is really cool |
| 07:20.11 | rustyshackleford | anything else similar I should look at? |
| 07:20.22 | rustyshackleford | this is linux... I'm guessing there are multiple options ha |
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| 08:19.45 | ratrace | so, 2020, 2 years after spectre and meltdown were published, AMD creates zen3 that's vulnerable, anew, to a spectre variant. I'm crying so hard, it actually sounds like laughing. |
| 08:25.48 | EdePopede | rustyshackleford: `apt-cache show mc` comes with a list of tags. could be used with debtags to find similar packages. |
| 08:25.56 | EdePopede | oh nice. |
| 08:26.21 | EdePopede | finally something positive i can say about my old cheap nvidia |
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| 08:42.54 | EdePopede | ,info gvfs-daemons |
| 08:42.56 | judd | Package gvfs-daemons (libs, optional) in buster/amd64: userspace virtual filesystem - servers. Version: 1.38.1-5; Size: 130.8k; Installed: 521k; Homepage: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/gvfs |
| 08:43.26 | EdePopede | that's more info than in the data part of the package :/ |
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| 08:53.07 | EdePopede | gvfs rdepends on thunar, but when i -s purge gvfs it only would remove gvfs* gvfs-daemons*. i expected a really long list instead. |
| 08:55.18 | EdePopede | or is the "no longer required" list relevant? doing this whith task-xfce-desktop shows THERE a lot of packages, in REMOVED it is only the task. |
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| 09:00.18 | EdePopede | oh, playing the game with some of hexchat's dependencies shows results as expected. libfreetype6 is really needed by some packages. |
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| 09:01.33 | EdePopede | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:01.33 | EdePopede | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.41 | EdePopede | the text is really confusing in this context. |
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| 09:32.42 | ratrace | ,v libfreetype6 |
| 09:32.43 | judd | Package: libfreetype6 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.5.2-3+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.5.2-3+deb8u4; stretch: 2.6.3-3.2+deb9u1; buster: 2.9.1-3+deb10u2; buster-security: 2.9.1-3+deb10u2; bullseye: 2.10.4+dfsg-1; sid: 2.10.4+dfsg-1 |
| 09:35.46 | ratrace | EdePopede: why would that happen? either there's a package installed, required, that conflicts with libfreetype6, or there's a package installed, required, that depends on libfreetype6 (< 2.3.5) |
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| 09:36.19 | ratrace | _or_ apt is aware of the package but can't install it because repo component is not enabled |
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| 09:36.56 | ratrace | though libfreetype6 is in main |
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| 09:42.56 | line17 | is there any way to clone encrypted disk to a bigger SSD? |
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| 09:47.19 | shtrb | line17, dd would do that , but you will not enjoy the full size of the bigger SSD |
| 09:48.06 | line17 | shtrb, after did dd job can i extend empty space to disk completely? |
| 09:48.08 | shtrb | line17, assuming you did not use hardware full encrypted disk feature but a software one |
| 09:48.23 | line17 | shtrb, yes encrypted with LUKS. |
| 09:48.34 | line17 | if i had HSM i would do with that but i don't :D |
| 09:48.52 | shtrb | I know it's technically possible, didn't do it myself |
| 09:49.26 | line17 | yes |
| 09:51.02 | shtrb | You should also take into to note that (as far as I know) - luks does not store size, so it would be enough close the luks parttion, increase the block device , open it , resize the internal fs using the FS specific tools |
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| 09:53.44 | ratrace | line17: didn't you ask that very question, and didn't you get extensive help about it, few days ago? |
| 09:54.08 | ratrace | does this mean you did literally _nothing_ in all this time? |
| 09:55.20 | line17 | ratrace, i had wrote to a notepad file and electricty is gone here and lost all of them |
| 09:55.33 | line17 | by the way why you are asking these questions?? |
| 09:56.16 | shtrb | ratrace, sorry to ask , but is there any chance you would use salsa.debian.org to push your apparmor profiles directly into the packages ? |
| 09:56.17 | ratrace | wondering if you're just wasting our time, trolling, or there's a legitimate reason why after all that help you got, you're still asking the original question. |
| 09:56.40 | ratrace | shtrb: you mean mine like the ones I've built? |
| 09:56.47 | shtrb | line17 , you can use the backlog from irclog to see what you had been told |
| 09:56.51 | shtrb | ratrace, yes |
| 09:57.03 | line17 | no. not trolling, no wasting time. only lost notepad file |
| 09:57.30 | shtrb | ratrace, I'm using your pidgin appramor changes, and lost your OO one :-( during an upgrade |
| 09:57.34 | shtrb | !irclog |
| 09:57.34 | dpkg | irclog is, like, #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ |
| 09:57.36 | ratrace | shtrb: might, but it's not really fit for general use. I already offered the changes, talking to the AA upstream, but they'd prefer the profiles to be generic |
| 09:57.38 | shtrb | line17, ^ |
| 09:57.52 | ratrace | shtrb: OO? openoffice? |
| 09:58.01 | shtrb | sorry libreoffice, not openoffice |
| 09:58.23 | shtrb | line17, http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ go to the date where you got help , and you will the traces there. |
| 09:58.39 | ratrace | ah, but I don't have a libre/open office one, aside from what's already packaged. my custom AA profiles are for firefox, steam, irssi, nginx, and some adjustments to existing profiles like postfix, dovecot |
| 09:58.53 | ratrace | oh yes, php too |
| 09:58.58 | line17 | shtrb, wow that's amazing. i am using IRC but i didn't know they are logged. Appreciated.. |
| 09:59.13 | line17 | btw which one is better? openoffice or libreoffice? |
| 09:59.31 | shtrb | ratrace, you gave me lo modification for the profile :) |
| 10:00.20 | ratrace | line17: so in short: a) dd + randomized UUIDs + grow_partitions + unlock + grow_filesystem b) partition new + luksFormat + mkfs + rsync filesystems |
| 10:00.26 | ratrace | personally I'd do b) |
| 10:00.44 | ratrace | shtrb: are you sure that was me? I never tampered with the loffice profile(s) |
| 10:00.58 | shtrb | I think it was you here |
| 10:01.21 | line17 | ratrace, thanks for the tip. i guess i will do 2nd way because first one is bit complicated for me |
| 10:01.23 | ratrace | maybe I helped you fix something, but I don't have a customized profile for loffice |
| 10:01.31 | shtrb | :D |
| 10:02.08 | ratrace | line17: libreoffice is the actively maintained fork. openoffice seems like abandonware |
| 10:02.38 | line17 | ratrace, thanks for the info. |
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| 10:15.26 | EdePopede | ratrace: i was just thinking again of removing gvfs if possible - i really don't use too much GUI/Gnome stuff, and if then nothing that would require some weird access pathes. |
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| 10:16.42 | EdePopede | so i did a few apt-get -s remove $pkg after the lists for gvfs packages was so empty. it's only that this sentence doesn't make any sense to me in context of package removals. |
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| 10:23.03 | jelly | ratrace, what did you have to change for dovecot and firefox, custom placement for cache/index files? |
| 10:23.53 | ratrace | jelly: and for the main data store zfs mountpoints, for dovecot; firefox? I have a completely custom profile written from scratch because the packaged one is too weak/open |
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| 10:25.04 | ratrace | jelly: AND in case of programs like firefox and steam that are "desktopy", I actually run them as separate users so the AA profile is written with that in mind; most importantly, it gives full RW access to ~/ , which I couldn't possibly allow if they ran as my main desktop login user. |
| 10:25.31 | ratrace | primarily for steam it was a PITA not to give full rw to ~/ becasue game savefiles are all over the place |
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| 10:57.41 | shtrb | Is there an backlog for current day (irclog is always day -1 ) |
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| 11:05.33 | Remy | i have debian 8 now, but i wanted to upgrade to debian 10,, so i burned the cd but cannot boot from it.. is there a other way te get debian 10 on my system |
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| 11:06.13 | shtrb | do you have network access ? |
| 11:06.17 | Remy | nope |
| 11:06.31 | shtrb | usb ports and usb media ? |
| 11:06.53 | Remy | no either not |
| 11:07.10 | shtrb | Can you read from cd in debian itself ? |
| 11:07.21 | shtrb | when you booted from the regular debian |
| 11:07.27 | Remy | thats the problem, it wont mount |
| 11:07.43 | shtrb | can you check a different cd or cd drive ? |
| 11:07.59 | Remy | i have only 1 cd reader |
| 11:08.18 | shtrb | Are you physicaly close to a LUG (Linux User Group) in your area ? |
| 11:08.29 | Remy | no, sorry |
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| 11:08.35 | oxek | Remy: did you download the right CD? 32bit vs 64bit? |
| 11:08.43 | Remy | 64 bit |
| 11:08.46 | oxek | sounds like your machine is 32bit |
| 11:08.59 | shtrb | 64 bit cd would be still mountable on a cdrom |
| 11:09.03 | Remy | debian 8 was also 64 bit |
| 11:09.31 | shtrb | What ports do you have on that machine ? |
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| 11:10.01 | jelly | ratrace, uh, I meant dovecot and postfix |
| 11:10.02 | jelly | debian also supports in-place upgrades without reinstallation, but you'd need to go 8->9 then 9>-10 |
| 11:10.21 | jelly | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 11:10.21 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 11:10.30 | shtrb | jelly, that's was my idea why I asked him to boot from debian mount , debootstrap or perform update disk by disk |
| 11:10.36 | jelly | Remy, ^ that's for 8->9 |
| 11:11.13 | Remy | so from 8 to 9 and then from 9 to 10 ? |
| 11:12.00 | Remy | thats a no go for me |
| 11:12.11 | shtrb | then you can do debootstrap |
| 11:12.24 | Remy | whats that ? debootstrap |
| 11:12.35 | shtrb | but you still need to get the files somehow on your debian machine |
| 11:12.38 | shtrb | !debootstrap |
| 11:12.39 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap - https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/apds03.en.html |
| 11:14.27 | Remy | if i do debootstrap i`ll prob. fuckup the whole machine |
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| 11:51.23 | BitchardGnollman | Richard Stallman taught us that |
| 11:51.25 | BitchardGnollman | - In America "you can get arrested without a reason." |
| 11:51.25 | BitchardGnollman | - Russian spy "Edward Snowden is a Great Hero" |
| 11:51.25 | BitchardGnollman | - "publishing of leaked secret [American] information" is journalism, and not spying or sabotage. |
| 11:51.25 | BitchardGnollman | - It is wrong that "the US government has persecuted Julian Assange for a decade for Wikileaks' journalism." |
| 11:51.25 | BitchardGnollman | - "US today plutocracy, extractivism and dooH niboR" |
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| 11:51.43 | BitchardGnollman | - There is nothing wrong with the Red Star GNU/Linux being used in North Korea as the totalitarian surveillance tool tracking any non approved communication. GNU GPL completely approves such use, because it gives their government users "freedom." |
| 11:51.47 | BitchardGnollman | - "Facebook is surveillance monster." |
| 11:51.49 | BitchardGnollman | - American corporations are the "enemy of your freedom", despite them creating jobs, quality products and paying taxes. |
| 11:51.52 | BitchardGnollman | - It is totally okay to work for totalitarian regimes, speak propaganda on RussiaToday and getting paid in bitcoins by Karpeles. |
| 11:51.55 | BitchardGnollman | - Criticising Stallman and his cult is a taboo, and will get you banned from all related IRC channels and forums. |
| 11:54.02 | BitchardGnollman | Richard Stallman taught us that: 1. In America "you can get arrested without a reason." 2. Russian spy "Edward Snowden is a Great Hero." 3. "publishing of leaked secret [American] information" is journalism, and not spying or sabotage. 4. It is wrong that "the US government has persecuted Julian Assange for a decade for Wikileaks' journalism." 5. "US today plutocracy, extractivism and dooH niboR." 6. "US government doesn't try to operate fa |
| 11:54.03 | BitchardGnollman | ir taxation." 7. American "democracy is a sham." 8. "We must defeat [American] plutocracy." 9 "War is not the way to deal with" the totalitarian regimes. 10. Pre-teen children can "appear entirely willing." 11. Writing software unpaid makes you "free as in freedom." 12. There is nothing wrong with the Red Star GNU/Linux being used in North Korea as the totalitarian surveillance tool tracking any non approved communication. GNU GPL completely ap |
| 11:54.04 | BitchardGnollman | proves such use, because it gives their government users "freedom." 13. "Facebook is surveillance monster." 14. American corporations are the "enemy of your freedom", despite them creating jobs, quality products and paying taxes. 15. It is totally okay to work for totalitarian regimes, speak propaganda on RussiaToday and getting paid in bitcoins by Karpeles. 16. Criticizing Stallman and his cult is a taboo, and will get you banned from all rela |
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| 12:05.43 | ramzy | https://ibb.co/CVC0VP1 |
| 12:05.58 | ramzy | was install insg kde and this happened |
| 12:06.06 | ramzy | *installing |
| 12:06.13 | ramzy | any help? |
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| 12:08.04 | ratrace | ramzy: https://superuser.com/questions/1280568/tasksel-apt-get-failed-100 |
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| 12:15.26 | ramzy | ratrace: okay ... i think it might be my/etc/rsolv.conf bc the apt-get update error is "falure resolving <url> " |
| 12:15.34 | ramzy | how can i fix that |
| 12:17.09 | ramzy | inside /etc/resolv.cont it has "nameserver 192.168.1.1" |
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| 12:20.11 | ramzy | u here? |
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| 12:23.43 | ramzy | anyone? |
| 12:25.54 | Wally | just install kde via apt? |
| 12:25.56 | Wally | plasma-desktop |
| 12:27.47 | ramzy | apt install kde? |
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| 12:40.56 | Wally | apt install plasma-desktop |
| 12:43.06 | ramzy | Wally: also apt doesn't work i just gixed the sources file yesterday idk whats wrong with it |
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| 12:44.18 | jelly | !install kde |
| 12:44.19 | dpkg | The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "KDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue". |
| 12:44.43 | jelly | ,v kde-full |
| 12:44.44 | judd | Package: kde-full on amd64 -- jessie: 5:84; stretch: 5:92; buster: 5:102; bullseye: 5:111; sid: 5:111 |
| 12:44.52 | jelly | okay, that might still work |
| 12:45.58 | jelly | ,v task-kde-desktop |
| 12:45.59 | judd | Package: task-kde-desktop on amd64 -- jessie: 3.31+deb8u1; stretch: 3.39; buster: 3.53; bullseye: 3.64; sid: 3.65 |
| 12:46.37 | ramzy | so what command do i run? |
| 12:46.45 | jelly | ramzy, dunno, show what happens when you "apt install task-kde-desktop" |
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| 12:48.43 | ramzy | "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run ' dpkg --configure -a ' to correct the problem" |
| 12:48.54 | jelly | ramzy, so... do that. |
| 12:49.10 | jelly | and then retry |
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| 12:51.49 | ramzy | https://ibb.co/ZcbM2tx |
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| 12:52.11 | ramzy | jelly: |
| 12:52.51 | jelly | disk full |
| 12:53.38 | Dude-Meister | I am finding conflicting information about using fdupes to actually *delete* (WAY TOO MANY) duplicate files on a backup disk. Can someone shed some light on this for me? Please? (And thank you!) |
| 12:53.44 | jelly | ramzy, look at "df" output; do an "apt autoclean"; look at "df" again |
| 12:54.19 | ramzy | but it isnt full its not even 50% full.... |
| 12:55.16 | jelly | ramzy, show the "df" output, then. Which filesystem type is your /var or / if there's no separate /var mountpoint? |
| 12:55.24 | Dude-Meister | I don't seem to be getting the result I expected using the -I switch. (-I = Delete all duplicates immediately when found - assumes "No-Prompt") |
| 12:55.44 | Dude-Meister | Running Buster 10.9 update |
| 12:56.30 | Dude-Meister | fdupes 1.6.1 (Puts on listening eyes) |
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| 12:57.36 | ramzy | https://ibb.co/1mDHbQY |
| 12:57.40 | ramzy | here |
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| 13:00.53 | ramzy | if i run "apt autoclean" will it delete the kde files |
| 13:01.05 | ramzy | *cached kde files |
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| 13:04.19 | ramzy | jelly: ?? |
| 13:06.45 | ramzy | u here? |
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| 13:21.49 | ratrace | ramzy: apt-get(8) manpage explains the command |
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| 13:24.48 | ramzy | ""cant open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config '' |
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| 13:24.55 | ramzy | ratrace: |
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| 13:29.16 | ratrace | ramzy: your system is horribly broken |
| 13:29.24 | ramzy | yes |
| 13:29.27 | ramzy | i know |
| 13:29.37 | ramzy | and im frustrated |
| 13:29.43 | ratrace | so that's not a place to install kde into |
| 13:30.01 | ratrace | take the installation ISO, not netinst but DVD1, and install whole KDE desktop from it in peace. |
| 13:30.44 | ramzy | how download it rom my host machine? |
| 13:31.17 | ratrace | ramzy: I don't understand the question |
| 13:31.28 | ramzy | its a vm |
| 13:31.35 | ramzy | virtualbox |
| 13:31.35 | ratrace | so? |
| 13:31.48 | ratrace | you can give the ISO as a CDROM device to virtualbox |
| 13:31.52 | ratrace | (IDE, CDROM) |
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| 13:32.22 | ramzy | then what command ho i run |
| 13:32.26 | ramzy | *do |
| 13:33.22 | ratrace | ramzy: there is no command. you download the ISO using your browser, then you configure virtualbox to use that ISO through it's clickable UI |
| 13:33.58 | ratrace | first google result for "virtualbox cdrom iso", with pretty pictures: https://geek-university.com/oracle-virtualbox/add-dvd-or-cd-rom-drive/ |
| 13:34.42 | ramzy | okay what about after installing it my system is still broken |
| 13:34.54 | jelly | ramzy, your 3GB / is full, that's way too low to get a decent DE running |
| 13:35.12 | jelly | how did you figure out it was 50% full? |
| 13:35.29 | ratrace | 3GB root is TOO SMALL for kde. |
| 13:35.46 | ratrace | 10-15GB should be minimum, without including needed space for $HOME |
| 13:35.55 | jelly | agreed |
| 13:36.10 | ramzy | jelly: from its "hardisk file" size |
| 13:37.04 | ramzy | ratrace: okay...but what made it break in that way (just the small size or something else?) |
| 13:37.19 | ratrace | ramzy: your VM needs 15GB+ of disk space and at least 4GB of RAM, 8GB recommended these days if you intend to run browsers. can your system meet those requirements? |
| 13:37.51 | ratrace | ramzy: I have no idea what the breakage is, but guessing from the several continuous issues you seem to be having for the past few days, I guess you're configuring the VM for insufficient resources |
| 13:37.56 | ramzy | >3GB root is TOO SMALL for kde. |
| 13:37.56 | ramzy | the installer configured it that way automaticly |
| 13:38.01 | jelly | ramzy, do you have any important data on this machine? If not, reinstall, provide a 24GB disk, use LVM, set up at least 10GB for /, 1-2GB for swap, some space for /home and the rest unallocated |
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| 13:38.28 | ratrace | OR, since this is a VM, do not partition at all. use one giant / |
| 13:38.46 | ratrace | swapfile instead of partition for swap. |
| 13:38.47 | jelly | but still use LVM to be able to grow space without reboot |
| 13:38.59 | ratrace | jelly: can you grow ext4 online? |
| 13:39.07 | jelly | no noeed for a swapfile, swap on lvm is better |
| 13:39.21 | jelly | ratrace, yes, ext3 too |
| 13:39.25 | ratrace | I'd just recommend not including the LVM complexity at all |
| 13:39.44 | ratrace | growing it is then one e2tunefs away, with simple ext4 / single partition |
| 13:39.45 | jelly | it's way too useful |
| 13:40.02 | ratrace | jelly: I agree, but the user is apparently too novice for that complexity. |
| 13:40.28 | jelly | avoiding reboots and partition mgt is more than worth the trouble |
| 13:40.38 | ratrace | alright. |
| 13:40.57 | ramzy | so...new vm with more resources and one / partition? |
| 13:41.09 | jelly | ramzy, the installer is dumb that way. It might have worked if you didn't have a separate /home |
| 13:41.43 | jelly | but right now you have a 4GB /home mostly unused, and a completely full 3GB / |
| 13:42.24 | ramzy | jelly:> the installer is dumb that way. It might have worked if you didn't have a separate /home |
| 13:42.24 | ramzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.18 | jelly | I _think_ it would have warned you there was not enough space for kde if you chose to install kde at install time |
| 13:43.49 | jelly | but that might be wishful thinking and I won't bother checking the code |
| 13:44.15 | ramzy | even if it was 1 partition are 8gb enough for a basic system anyway? |
| 13:45.01 | jelly | basic system or a GUI syste, with a DE? |
| 13:45.17 | ramzy | mabybe with a lighter DE |
| 13:45.32 | jelly | nah, give it 10-20GB |
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| 13:46.14 | jelly | 8GB will be enough to _install_ but as you use it things will accumulate and it would fill up in 6 or 24 months |
| 13:47.40 | ramzy | i dont really care i just wanna try out the system mabye put a few files on there |
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| 13:48.17 | jelly | so use a thin-provisioned disk, if virtualbox has that |
| 13:48.42 | ramzy | whats that? |
| 13:49.15 | omarek_ | Hi, I can't get the crypttab entry right. I'm trying to mount a secondary crypted drive. My other system stops booting. |
| 13:49.38 | omarek_ | I've commented out the fstab entries, so it must be stopping because of the crypttab. |
| 13:49.41 | omarek_ | gry_crypt UUID=195421f6-a79e-41bf-91d4-6ec7aa55edd8 none luks |
| 13:50.12 | omarek_ | Can you spot anything obviously wrong with that entry? It's tab separated. |
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| 13:50.36 | omarek_ | I can cryptsetup luksOpen the other drive on my old system (here). |
| 13:51.34 | omarek_ | Only in this system, I use /dev/sdb, but in the new system I can't rely on the letters. It can be either /dev/sda or /dev/sdb. |
| 13:51.37 | ramzy | jelly: im mainly installing it as a learning experience so i dont get stupid errors when i acctually use it as my main os |
| 13:51.51 | oxek | omarek_: that's why UUIDs exist |
| 13:52.08 | oxek | the crypttab entry you posted looks fine |
| 13:52.32 | oxek | ramzy: you're making the learning experience way too hard for yourself |
| 13:53.25 | oxek | ramzy: most people new to linux go like this: 1) Insert CD 2) Next, next, next, next, next 3) Reboot 4) Have a working linux system. |
| 13:53.51 | omarek_ | The whole device is luks encrypted, while I try to use a LVM-on-LUKS partition in crypttab and (now commented out) fstab. Could that be the reason? |
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| 13:54.31 | ramzy | oxek: i already did that i want to learn more i even thought of installing gentoo |
| 13:54.45 | oxek | don't install gentoo as your first linux... |
| 13:54.49 | jelly | ramzy, vbox seems to call those "dynamically allocated" disks. https://www.howtogeek.com/312456/how-to-convert-between-fixed-and-dynamic-disks-in-virtualbox/ |
| 13:55.24 | oxek | ramzy: want to learn more? Install linux and do your actual work you need to not become homeless and starve to death. Fix what you don't like as you go. |
| 13:55.34 | oxek | Learning for the sake of learning is often a pointless experience. |
| 13:55.40 | omarek_ | When I manually luksOpen and mount the partition, I check what 'lsblk' outputs, and mount that. |
| 13:55.49 | ramzy | oxek: its not my first linux |
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| 13:57.03 | oxek | omarek_: crypttab doesn't care about identifiers after the volume is opened, it cares about identifiers before |
| 13:57.09 | jelly | omarek_, can you pastebin output of "lsblk" and "blkid" and point out the luks device |
| 13:57.22 | ramzy | jelly: yes the are already dinamicly allocated |
| 13:57.54 | jelly | ramzy, so why are you worrying about 8GB vs 20GB. |
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| 13:58.44 | ramzy | jelly: bc it will fill up |
| 13:59.55 | ramzy | oxek: i already do work on a newbie freindly distro i just wanna learn moar |
| 14:00.25 | jelly | ramzy, if you don't have enough space to install debian with a DE, don't install debian with a DE. |
| 14:00.37 | jelly | ramzy, if you have enough, then GIVE IT ENOUGH |
| 14:01.45 | ramzy | why would anyone want a distro without a DE |
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| 14:02.04 | cws | speaking to you right now from debian with no de |
| 14:02.31 | jelly | linux is used for all sorts of purposes, routers, servers, some people prefer text-only interfaces or are blind |
| 14:03.08 | jelly | some use a GUI but with a spartan WM instead of DE |
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| 14:03.30 | oxek | ramzy: because a DE can get in the way of doing work |
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| 14:03.48 | ramzy | cws: how do you browse internet and consoom social media |
| 14:03.56 | ramzy | oxek: what?! |
| 14:04.19 | oxek | I don't use social media (except IRC I guess), and internet is overrated. |
| 14:04.26 | cws | internet, quite easily. social media, why in the hell would I want to do that? |
| 14:04.59 | jelly | ramzy, there are tools to automatically place windows around, so you can still have a web browser without a DE |
| 14:05.08 | omarek_ | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/1192202/ crypttab and lsblk. The second crypttab entry causes problems. |
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| 14:05.26 | omarek_ | Note this is on my old system, not on my new system (which currently doesn't boot) |
| 14:05.36 | ramzy | cws: okay nevermind how do you veiw photos , docs etc |
| 14:05.56 | Peyam | Hi, By some reason the amount of used memory goes up when I am away from the computer |
| 14:05.57 | omarek_ | jelly: I mean the crypttab entry is from my new system that doesn't boot, the lsblk is from my old system I'm running now. |
| 14:06.27 | ramzy | oxek: how could a de get in the way of work? |
| 14:06.42 | Peyam | I didn't pou the computer into sleep or anything and when I woke up this morning the memory was on 96% and Swap was 100% . And the same thing happened again. For an hour ago it was 13% and I left the computer and just came back n ot it is on 20% |
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| 14:10.51 | ramzy | oxek: here is my point of veiw every time my system breaks i learn somthing new |
| 14:12.24 | omarek_ | jelly: Am I using the wrong UUID? |
| 14:12.54 | ramzy | oxek: when my vm network wasn't cofigured properly i learned how the sources.list file works and how apt works for example |
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| 14:15.13 | oxek | ramzy: a DE can add many seconds of you waiting for things to happen, because it loves to display animations and other useless effects. |
| 14:15.31 | jelly | omarek_, and blkid? I don't even see that uuid anywhere |
| 14:15.53 | oxek | a DE can also consume a lot of screen space that should instead be used to display things you need for work |
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| 14:17.30 | jelly | omarek_, I use the device path of the relevant partition, not UUID: pv0/dev/disk/by-id/nvme-SAMSUNG_MZVLB256HBHQ-000L7_serialhere-part6noneluks,discard |
| 14:18.01 | jelly | if you use the UUID you will need to find the UUID for the backend. |
| 14:18.30 | ValeraRozuvan | Hey guys! My goal is to maintain my own Debian package (software that I myself wrote, MIT licensed). What should be my first step? I understand that this is a long process, and that it involves a lot of work and patience. But where to start? I am determined to make it! |
| 14:19.13 | jelly | UUID is typically a property of a formatted filesystem, I didn't even know LUKS backing devices had one |
| 14:19.19 | omarek_ | jelly: I can find it in the paste using CTRL-F. It's the 4th UUID from the bottom, mounted at /media/ultrasta(r_1tb), I think it got cut away from the viewport. |
| 14:19.30 | jhutchins | !nmg |
| 14:19.37 | jelly | vg_dziupla-lv_gry ext4 195421f6-a79e-41bf-91d4-6ec7aa55edd8 167.8G 9% /media/ultrasta |
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| 14:20.43 | jelly | omarek_, can you show "lsblk" without -fs |
| 14:20.46 | jhutchins | ValeraRozuvan: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html |
| 14:20.51 | omarek_ | jelly: I'm doing /sbin/blkid /dev/sdb and I don't know why but no output. |
| 14:20.54 | jelly | this looks weird to me. |
| 14:20.59 | ratrace | ValeraRozuvan: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 14:21.26 | ratrace | ValeraRozuvan: https://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals , https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/index.html |
| 14:21.48 | omarek_ | jelly: https://paste.debian.net/1192204/ |
| 14:22.16 | ratrace | Peyam: sounds like you gots yourself a memory leak there. Tools like `smem` can help show which processes paged out most |
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| 14:22.30 | ValeraRozuvan | <ratrace> Thank you! |
| 14:22.42 | omarek_ | A 1TB ultrastar mounted in the directory ultrastar_4TB, just don't get misled. I don't think it matters. |
| 14:23.03 | ratrace | Peyam: might wanna use --no-install-recommends, as it pulls in matplotlib! |
| 14:23.07 | Peyam | ratrace, I see that jedi-language-server is the leak |
| 14:23.17 | jelly | omarek_, okay. So 1954.. is the UUID of the filesystem inside the LV inside the VG/PV inside the luks |
| 14:23.28 | jelly | omarek_, you need the UUID of the luks itself. |
| 14:23.39 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.39 | ratrace | Peyam: no idea what that is, but if it's a service, you can use cgroup limits to limit its mem use. it'll crash, but won't take down your system with it |
| 14:24.04 | Peyam | ratrace, I will take a look. Thanks bud |
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| 14:24.52 | jelly | omarek_, does /dev/disk/by-uuid/77eabf62-7074-4a91-ab97-f139b947db67 point to /dev/nvme0n1p2? |
| 14:24.57 | Peyam | ratrace, I am on debian xfce with 16G memory . I have now 2.63 G of RAM used. isn't it too high? |
| 14:24.58 | ramzy | oxek: so what would me a good way to learn linux from my skill level? |
| 14:25.16 | oxek | ramzy: what are you working on right now? |
| 14:25.26 | Peyam | how do I list services/applications that takes highest amount of ram? |
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| 14:25.54 | jelly | Peyam, run "top", press capital M |
| 14:26.23 | jelly | it's not exactly "highest amount of ram" and it's not exactly "services" or "applications" |
| 14:26.37 | jelly | but it's usually good enough |
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| 14:26.39 | omarek_ | jelly: Does it matter? That entry was set up by debian installer and it's working fine. |
| 14:26.42 | Peyam | firefox-esr --marionette --headless --forground -no-remote - takes alot of mem. Now when I shut it doen |
| 14:26.53 | ramzy | oxek: trying harder and harder linux distributions until i know enough to make a "linux from scrach" system for myself |
| 14:26.59 | ratrace | Peyam: totally depends what you're running there |
| 14:27.06 | omarek_ | jelly: I'm trying to connect a SATA3 drive to that bullseye install on nvme. |
| 14:27.12 | jelly | omarek_, I'm trying to figure out if that's the right uuid for the data format that on that device. |
| 14:27.13 | Peyam | ratrace, only htop, top and hexchat |
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| 14:27.35 | Peyam | What is web content? |
| 14:27.38 | oxek | ramzy: but what are you actually working on? Meaning what work are you performing that brings you money? The answer of what to do is - find a way to automate something you do several times a day as part of your work. |
| 14:27.40 | jelly | omarek_, so yes, it matters. I wouldn't ask otherwise! |
| 14:27.50 | ratrace | Peyam: and firefox? |
| 14:27.56 | ratrace | that's firefox's container thingy |
| 14:27.57 | Peyam | no I closed it |
| 14:28.12 | oxek | ratrace: also, there are no "hard" linux distributions. It's all the same. |
| 14:28.20 | jelly | omarek_, did you not say it wasn't working fine? |
| 14:28.31 | ratrace | oxek: ENOCONTEXT |
| 14:28.42 | ramzy | oxek: im a student |
| 14:28.43 | omarek_ | jelly: https://paste.debian.net/1192205/ |
| 14:28.58 | omarek_ | I finally found how to get some output from 'blkid'. I ran it without arguments. |
| 14:28.59 | oxek | ratrace: I'm so sorry. I keep messing up my nick completions, I meant to send it to ramzy. |
| 14:29.06 | oxek | I've done this before... |
| 14:29.20 | ratrace | oxek: ah lol |
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| 14:29.56 | oxek | I'm not used to two nicks chatting at the same time that share the same first two letters |
| 14:29.57 | ratrace | oxek: I do thta too when I have to use more than 2 chars for tab completion |
| 14:29.59 | Peyam | wow |
| 14:30.05 | Peyam | Firefox takes so much memory |
| 14:30.17 | jelly | Peyam, that's par the course |
| 14:30.19 | Peyam | and it doesn't kill all its thread when closing the window |
| 14:30.21 | ratrace | wait 'till you see what chromium does |
| 14:30.40 | jelly | this is why you have 16GB RAM, so that web browsers work |
| 14:30.51 | oxek | one of these days a wild oxen will enter this channel and I'll get highlighted for days... |
| 14:30.59 | Peyam | what do you guys recommend? what lightweight webbrowser should I use? |
| 14:31.07 | ratrace | Peyam: firefox |
| 14:31.37 | Peyam | it there a way to kill all its thread and processes after you click on close button? |
| 14:31.44 | jelly | Peyam, keep using this thing. Install NoScript and VERY carefully allow things, that may reduce some usage. |
| 14:31.47 | ramzy | oxek: well..yes they do the same things but something like arch for example is really hard to install and configure unlike for example linux mint which anyone who touched a keyboard begore can install |
| 14:32.06 | jelly | Peyam, but in general, don't worry about it, it can't really be helped |
| 14:32.08 | omarek_ | Actually I have 32GB RAM. |
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| 14:32.23 | oxek | Peyam: rather than trying to make a ligthweight webbrowser work, try to rethink how you use the internet. Try using fewer (maybe even just one) tabs, try using altarnative websites that are not as heavy, or perhaps rethink whether you really need the internet for what you're doing. |
| 14:32.28 | jelly | omarek_, you're ready for the web browsers of 2022... maybe! |
| 14:32.34 | Peyam | what is the point of having a lightweighted De if applications use so much resources |
| 14:32.44 | omarek_ | Pro tip: you can enter firefox settings and manually clear currently used firefox memory |
| 14:32.49 | Peyam | oxek, I had 3 tabs open |
| 14:32.56 | ratrace | Peyam: you've got 16GB of RAM. call us when you actually get more than 8GB used ;) |
| 14:33.07 | oxek | ramzy: arch has an installation guide that a trained monkey could complete - you just follow the commands. |
| 14:33.07 | omarek_ | Up until recently, I had 4GB at home. You can tell I was really sick of it. |
| 14:33.11 | Peyam | ratrace, -.- |
| 14:33.24 | ratrace | that said, I haven't noticed FF utilize that much RAM, unless I had a lot of tabs open with a lot of things going on in them, netflix, youtube (thus drm and other plugins active) etc.. |
| 14:33.26 | jelly | omarek_, I killed an SSD when I had just 4GB RAM. |
| 14:33.48 | ramzy | oxek: yes ...but do you UNDERSTAND them tho? |
| 14:33.50 | jelly | then I realized it would be cheaper to just buy enough RAM |
| 14:34.01 | omarek_ | jelly: "everybody knows" you can't kill an SSD, they're so sturdy, especially TLC and QLC. |
| 14:34.34 | oxek | ramzy: they are well explained in the installation guide |
| 14:34.42 | oxek | debian also has an installation guide |
| 14:34.58 | omarek_ | jelly: This setup you're helping me configure is 256GB nvme SSD for / and /home, and (eventually two) ultrastar/HGST sata3 hard drives for games, .wine, .mozilla |
| 14:35.05 | oxek | ehm, is dpkg down? |
| 14:35.13 | jelly | omarek_, this was a second gen ssd in 2013, so, vendors did not even track abuse then, it got replaced under warranty :-) |
| 14:35.14 | oxek | dpkg where are you? |
| 14:35.15 | omarek_ | The 'browser_cache' is literally a LVM partition for just the browsers. |
| 14:35.25 | Peyam | I think it is axfce problem. it doesnt kill applications when they are closed |
| 14:35.41 | ratrace | Peyam: I'm serious. Right now, I have a steam game open (ETS2), FF with 4 tabs , one of which is netflix paused. 7 terminals. under i3-wm. total memory used 9GB out of 32. if I shut down the game, it goes down to 3.6GB |
| 14:35.42 | jelly | oxek, dselect bot keeps a copy |
| 14:35.49 | jelly | dselect, flw0 |
| 14:35.49 | dselect | * westside has run sid since day one | <westside> I run apt-get in cron nightly |
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| 14:36.35 | ramzy | oxek: yes ...those guides also make you understand linux more unlike just pressing ok 69 times |
| 14:36.36 | jelly | I have both chrome and firefox with hundreds of tabs. |
| 14:36.42 | Peyam | ratrace, You mean I complain for nothing actually? that it is not so serious |
| 14:36.43 | omarek_ | I'm using symlinks on the new install to link data-heavy directories to old-fashioned HDD drives. Only at the moment I have to luksOpen and mount manually. |
| 14:36.47 | oxek | I don't think dselect works well, I'm asking it for 'install guide' and it says nothing |
| 14:36.53 | ratrace | Peyam: pretty much |
| 14:36.56 | jelly | 7GB available out of 15GB |
| 14:36.57 | omarek_ | I'll be back in a couple of minutes. |
| 14:37.09 | oxek | dselect, install |
| 14:37.14 | dselect | There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/buster/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 14:37.18 | oxek | dselect, install guide |
| 14:37.18 | dselect | The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual . See also <errata> and <buster release notes>. |
| 14:37.25 | Peyam | ratrace, I have OCD that's why |
| 14:37.28 | ratrace | Peyam: relatively speaking, it sucks. I'm old schoold, back in the day we did ASM and programs had to fit in 1024KB of RAM |
| 14:37.45 | oxek | ratrace: read that ^ debian installation guide |
| 14:37.54 | ratrace | so it pains me to see how much memory is wasted in "modern programs", but frankly I stopped caring. I gave it gobs of RAM and told it to stfu about it. |
| 14:38.46 | omarek_ | Peyam: Are you also a speedrunner? |
| 14:38.47 | ramzy | oxek: did u mean me or actually ratrace |
| 14:38.47 | jelly | Peyam, no need to optimize for minimal use of a resource that isn't a bottleneck (yet) |
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| 14:39.09 | Peyam | omarek_, no embedded programemr |
| 14:39.14 | Peyam | and aerospace engineer |
| 14:39.23 | Peyam | ratrace, I go with midori |
| 14:39.23 | oxek | oh my god... This muscle memory... I'm really sorry ratrace, I'll try to work on not doing this anymore, but I don't know how. |
| 14:39.28 | oxek | ramzy: yes, I meant you |
| 14:39.31 | ratrace | oxek: don't worry |
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| 14:39.41 | omarek_ | Peyam: The only embedded programmer I knew was a speedrunner. |
| 14:39.42 | Peyam | I need that firefox webdriver otherwise I would uninstall it |
| 14:39.45 | oxek | it's just such an automatic motion for me... |
| 14:40.03 | Peyam | omarek_, I am a gym guy nowadays. For the career you know. |
| 14:40.25 | ratrace | Peyam: important thing to keep in mind: "lightweight" browser alternatives also mean "lack of functionality, security, modern HTML/JS compatibility" and are probably also going to perform poorly with most of modern, JS heavy, sites. |
| 14:40.52 | Peyam | ratrace, that is completely tru. All I need is adblock tbh |
| 14:40.53 | omarek_ | Peyam: silicone optimizer -> meat optimizer |
| 14:41.48 | Peyam | omarek_, yeah |
| 14:42.00 | Peyam | Will never open Firefox, untill I have to |
| 14:42.16 | ratrace | my fox is open 24/7 |
| 14:42.28 | ratrace | then again I need it for work and life :) |
| 14:42.44 | oxek | I wouldn't want to depend on a fox for my life :) |
| 14:43.03 | ratrace | oxek: but you depend on plants |
| 14:43.09 | oxek | I'd prefer a weasel instead ;) |
| 14:43.22 | ratrace | :) |
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| 14:44.06 | ratrace | I like foxes. IRL firefoxes (red pandas) are beautiful animals. |
| 14:44.19 | oxek | I still kinda miss that weasel though, even though it was just a superficial difference |
| 14:44.37 | oxek | foxes are cute, true |
| 14:45.01 | oxek | debian doesn't have an official animal, does it? |
| 14:45.36 | ratrace | Snail Fossil, if you squint and look at the spiral sideways, in low light conditions. |
| 14:45.57 | oxek | yeah, I can see the spiral being a fossil of something |
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| 14:46.17 | oxek | heh, pretty stable right, unchanged for a billion years :D |
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| 14:46.54 | ratrace | also: dead :)) |
| 14:47.03 | oxek | lol |
| 14:48.21 | jelly | dselect, wwbr |
| 14:48.22 | dselect | Now Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released "when it's ready." |
| 14:48.40 | jelly | fair |
| 14:48.49 | jelly | dselect, rc bugs |
| 14:48.49 | dselect | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=bullseye&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 14:49.16 | jelly | wow, that's really low |
| 14:49.53 | oxek | jelly: is that sarcasm? |
| 14:49.58 | oxek | (I can't tell) |
| 14:50.14 | jelly | no, 200 is really low this early in the freeze |
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| 14:50.33 | jelly | (green line, bugs concerning bullseye) |
| 14:50.44 | oxek | ah, I focused on purple |
| 14:51.12 | ratrace | what was that poll command. looks like I'm winning |
| 14:51.16 | mdja123cs | hello. Is there a guide on how to install on a usb? |
| 14:51.16 | omarek_ | ratrace: I side with badgers myself. |
| 14:51.34 | oxek | btw is debian "giving up" on removing python2 packages from bullseye? I remember reading that it was postponed but can't find it anymore. |
| 14:51.52 | jelly | it wasn't a hard goal in the first place |
| 14:51.55 | ratrace | oxek: it'll remain installable due to a few important dependencies |
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| 14:52.23 | oxek | ratrace: installable yes, but I somehow thought that python2 packages would still be pulled in in the default install |
| 14:52.34 | jelly | oxek, I'd like to see tauthon in debian at some point, for the lulz |
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| 14:52.57 | oxek | I didn't know tauthon is a thing |
| 14:53.33 | oxek | just let python2 die, it's time |
| 14:53.38 | jelly | noooo |
| 14:53.43 | jelly | it's just resting |
| 14:53.54 | cws | it has ceased to be |
| 14:54.00 | ratrace | it's pining for the fjords |
| 14:54.01 | oxek | just think of it as job creation - someone will need to hire someone to rewrite all that python2 code |
| 14:54.10 | ratrace | it's an ex python. bereft of life. |
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| 14:55.25 | ratrace | and to think, python2 is going to live happily for years to come in debian LTS .... and RHELs.... and centoses.... and ubuntus LTS.... |
| 14:56.01 | RoyK | ratrace: well, it's not getting updated anymore, so better move to py3 |
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| 15:08.02 | jelly | RoyK, tauthon! |
| 15:08.35 | jelly | oh, right, RH has to maintain its own for who knows how long |
| 15:09.20 | jelly | still has perl5 code to rewrite to python, good thing he skipped python2 |
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| 15:21.09 | Juerd | You can say Perl again now; Perl 6 has been renamed to Raku. |
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| 15:22.11 | oxek | I don't like Camelia, so I guess no Raku for me |
| 15:23.04 | Juerd | Haha |
| 15:23.59 | Juerd | Yeah, can't code without your plush $language mascot by your side of course |
| 15:24.09 | Juerd | pets his plush Camelia |
| 15:24.12 | oxek | indeed, and camelia just weirds me out |
| 15:24.59 | Juerd | Do you make all of your technical decisions that way? |
| 15:25.29 | Juerd | Or are you just not a fan of derpy butterflies? :) |
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| 15:27.08 | oxek | gotta make tie-breaking decisions somehow |
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| 15:27.33 | Juerd | Makes me wonder what the tie was between |
| 15:27.33 | oxek | and that butterfly is staring at me wierd |
| 15:27.47 | Juerd | Ooh, should combine xeyes with camelia :) |
| 15:28.22 | jelly | is there a weyes |
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| 15:29.25 | oxek | Juerd: don't. I don't need extra nightmares. |
| 15:31.10 | omarek_ | When I issue 'cryptsetup luksClose', it complains the device is busy. But I've unmounted the device (umount) earlier. What's wrong? |
| 15:31.16 | Juerd | oxek: Just combine it with xkill |
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| 15:33.07 | oxek | omarek_: you unmounted the container, or the device that the container was on? |
| 15:33.43 | oxek | and btw the new notation is `cryptsetup close` instead of `cryptsetup luksClose` |
| 15:34.56 | omarek_ | oxek: Unmounted the device (lvm partition) inside the luks container. What else left to do? I'm not in the directory. |
| 15:36.14 | oxek | omarek_: use lsof |
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| 15:37.08 | oxek | I think I had a similar problem sometime due to Trash not being empty |
| 15:37.18 | oxek | was a weird gvfs issue |
| 15:38.02 | oxek | try closing all shells, terminals, file manager windows, browser (in case you downloaded to that container), ... |
| 15:38.10 | omarek_ | oxek: Like lsof /dev/sdb ? Nothing. |
| 15:38.23 | oxek | it would be more like some path inside the container |
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| 15:43.19 | omarek_ | oxek: lsof /media yields nothing at all. |
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| 15:45.43 | oxek | you might have to pipe lsof output to less and try to spot something interesting in it |
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| 15:46.14 | oxek | `lsof | less` |
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| 15:53.17 | omarek_ | oxek: https://linux-blog.anracom.com/tag/device-still-in-use/ |
| 15:53.54 | omarek_ | oxek: It turns out you need to deactivate a volume group with 'vgchange -a n', out of all things. |
| 15:54.13 | omarek_ | oxek: This is specific to LVM on LUKS, which I have. |
| 15:55.46 | oxek | looks like that's it |
| 15:55.56 | oxek | I don't use LVM inside LUKS containers on non-system drives |
| 15:57.28 | omarek_ | oxek: Another trick for confusing cats. |
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| 16:01.13 | omarek_ | Okay, I think I know what's the problem. In my crypttab, I'm trying to luksOpen a device using an UUID from inside the LUKS container. BUt it's not opened (luksOpen) at that point so I can't use an UUID of a partition from inside the LUKS container. |
| 16:01.19 | omarek_ | jelly: Does that make sense? |
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| 16:15.08 | jhutchins | It makes sense that that's what's happening, not that you're trying to do it. |
| 16:15.57 | oxek | they left |
| 16:16.13 | oxek | and it's what I told them after their first message |
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| 16:24.33 | rustyshackleford | well I'm using docker to run Plex and transmission |
| 16:24.46 | rustyshackleford | and starting to wonder if using docker is making this more complex than I need haha |
| 16:25.11 | rustyshackleford | I cannot remove torrents from transmission now. I'm thinking I've got an issue with permissions between the container and the host |
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| 16:46.28 | omarek | Hi, on a new install, a crypttab entry makes my computer stop at boot. It's a secondary drive, LVM on LUKs |
| 16:47.17 | omarek | I can remove the entry from crypttab, and manually cryptsetup luksOpen and then mount the drive. I just can't make it available at boot. |
| 16:47.53 | oxek | omarek: it stops at boot because it waits for password input. Try using keys instead and load them from the unlocked partition. |
| 16:49.15 | omarek | oxek: But it only asks for a passphrase for the first! I don't see a second prompt. |
| 16:49.56 | omarek | I think I can at least set up a timeout... |
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| 16:53.07 | omarek | oxek: I'm also going to try keyscript=decrypt_keyctl |
| 16:55.50 | trysten | ok my /var/log/messages is 50G. that's a bug right? |
| 16:56.09 | rudi_s | Sounds like missing logrotate |
| 16:56.13 | trysten | if something is just filling my logs so fast the computer is unusable, it seems like that couldn't be desired behavior |
| 16:56.29 | trysten | no that's in a few minutes from spam |
| 16:57.02 | trysten | AER: Corrected error received: 0000:00:1c.5 |
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| 16:57.49 | trysten | which is "PCI Express Root Port #6" in lspci |
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| 17:08.10 | jelly | trysten, sounds like either a hw issue or a kernel bug |
| 17:08.25 | jelly | is this bare metal or a vm? |
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| 17:10.15 | jelly | trysten, what's below that port in the pci tree? Are there any other messages in dmesg near that one? |
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| 17:21.30 | dob1 | I don't understand what is the monitor port in autossh |
| 17:21.33 | dob1 | what does it do? |
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| 17:26.10 | nkuttler | how does autossh work, i assume it needs to re-auth? |
| 17:26.54 | dob1 | to be honest I just used it as it is |
| 17:27.00 | dob1 | with public key |
| 17:27.26 | nkuttler | i have some hosts with otp auth where mosh doesn't work for whatever reason |
| 17:27.50 | jelly | dob1, autossh detects a broken links by sending messages to itself over two tunnels it sets up. monitor port is used as one local endpoint for one of the two forwards. |
| 17:28.02 | jelly | s/links/link/ |
| 17:28.25 | dob1 | jelly, and if you don't use it? |
| 17:28.45 | jelly | you always use it, by default it's random. |
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| 17:29.27 | dob1 | ah ok |
| 17:29.44 | trysten | dob1: check out mosh, it will likely solve whatever you're trying to do with autossh |
| 17:30.06 | trysten | doh, didn't see kuttlers message |
| 17:30.14 | dob1 | trysten, I read mosh but it's a bit a bit intrusive regarding its requirents |
| 17:30.17 | dob1 | requirements |
| 17:30.20 | trysten | I want otp auth :o |
| 17:30.27 | trysten | dob1: intrusive? it's open source.. |
| 17:30.31 | jelly | dob1, you can see what it does: https://paste.debian.net/1192222/ |
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| 17:30.38 | dob1 | trysten, I meen it needs a lot of open ports |
| 17:30.45 | jelly | mosh needs to be installed on both ends, doesn't it |
| 17:30.50 | trysten | just the two, really. Yes, both ends |
| 17:31.08 | trysten | it needs ssh and another UDP port. You can set the UDP port to be constant instead of using a range |
| 17:31.41 | dob1 | trysten, are you sure? |
| 17:32.19 | jelly | why do people ask experts whether they're sure about their expert advice |
| 17:32.24 | dob1 | it needs open ports between 60000 and 61000 |
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| 17:33.00 | dob1 | jelly, I didn't mean to be arrogant, just asking because I read about this service and I never tried it for this reason |
| 17:33.04 | jhutchins | jelly: To be fair, it's not easy to tell who the actual experts are vs. the guy that just installed linux last week but has opinions. |
| 17:33.10 | trysten | jelly: baremetal, laptop with intel chips. |
| 17:33.20 | dob1 | trysten, sorry didn't mean to be arrogant |
| 17:33.26 | trysten | yeah i'm somewhere between the two. I have been in this channel for a decade tho :D |
| 17:33.46 | jelly | trysten, might be hitting something similar to this? Found via reddir https://gist.github.com/Brainiarc7/3179144393747f35e5155fdbfd675554#file-fix-intel_wifi_aer-avell_g1513_fire_v3 |
| 17:33.55 | jelly | reddit* |
| 17:33.57 | trysten | dob1: yes i'm sure, you can specify a port. check the man page |
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| 17:34.49 | jelly | jhutchins, we do try to shut down people giving out bad advice fairly often in here |
| 17:35.19 | trysten | jelly: i think you find it right away, thank you! |
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| 17:36.29 | trysten | I wanted to get my fingers into the kernel a little and try to understand what's going on. I saw someone else had written a hack to supress the messages so they wouldn't spam and I was wondering what the "right" thing to do was |
| 17:36.44 | jelly | [flisboac@sonic ~]$ sudo setpci -v -d 8086:a114 CAP_EXP+0x8.w=0x0e # hides just one sort of PCI error on just that device, neat |
| 17:36.48 | trysten | so this is exactly where I wanted to go :) |
| 17:37.09 | trysten | yeah it's a much nicer work-aroudn than pci=noaer kernel option |
| 17:37.29 | jelly | it doesn't fix the actual error that is still happening, but at least you don't get a 50GB log |
| 17:38.26 | oxek | I installed linux two days ago and have lots of opinions, listen to me |
| 17:38.35 | jelly | liar! |
| 17:38.48 | jelly | your beard is too long |
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| 17:39.08 | oxek | oh no, my secret is out |
| 17:40.00 | oxek | trysten: +1 for mosh, it works |
| 17:40.26 | oxek | it is especially useful if you're messing with sshd config and need to restart it, not knowing if it will come back up |
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| 17:40.40 | oxek | (not that you should ever do that anyway) |
| 17:41.37 | oxek | it's a pity that mosh is not being developed anymore, it would benefit from using a streaming cipher and various other optimizations to lower latency |
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| 17:50.02 | shtrb | jelly, he might have unix beard and not linux (hides away from SCO mob) |
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| 18:04.59 | Caesar_NayKid | Hola |
| 18:05.17 | Caesar_NayKid | I built my computer and it time to install Debian |
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| 18:05.50 | ratrace | shtrb: heard the latest story of the SCO zombie bursting out of the grave and suing RH? |
| 18:06.02 | shtrb | yes , few hours ago |
| 18:06.07 | Caesar_NayKid | I was planning to install Bullseye. The recommendations i saw suggested to install stable then upgrade to testing |
| 18:06.07 | shtrb | thought it was april fools at first |
| 18:06.22 | ratrace | me too but the news broke two days before april 1st |
| 18:06.40 | oxek | Caesar_NayKid: install either stable, or bullseye, don't bother upgrading |
| 18:06.44 | shtrb | ratrace, didn't see that before |
| 18:07.17 | Caesar_NayKid | Well it wasn't as direct the download to bullseye |
| 18:07.21 | shtrb | ratrace, that's carma for killing centos |
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| 18:08.07 | Caesar_NayKid | Bullseye Alpha 3? |
| 18:08.51 | Caesar_NayKid | Gonna install from usb stick. Netinst amd64? |
| 18:09.07 | Caesar_NayKid | Or "other images" |
| 18:09.08 | shtrb | !bullseye freeze |
| 18:09.08 | dpkg | the freeze for Debian 11 'bullseye' has begun on 2021-01-13. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2021/01/msg00002.html |
| 18:09.14 | oxek | !debian-next |
| 18:09.14 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 18:09.29 | ratrace | shtrb: hah, indeed |
| 18:09.34 | Caesar_NayKid | Hmm |
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| 18:18.50 | jhutchins | Caesar_NayKid: Installing stable and upgrading is the recommended method of getting to testing. Be clear that testing, especially during the freeze, is expected to break so they can fix the serious problems. |
| 18:20.10 | jhutchins | Caesar_NayKid: One nice way to handle that is to have a dual-boot stable-testing. That way when (not if) testing breaks, you still have a working computer. |
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| 18:26.10 | jelly | Caesar_NayKid, don't bother with alpha installer, those are very old. Get a daily or a weekly build if you're going with bullseye, eg. https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 18:26.51 | jelly | I'm assuming you're going to need at least some firmware |
| 18:27.15 | jelly | unless you select the hardware you 100% know it works without any |
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| 18:28.30 | jelly | this faw into the release cycle, it's worth trying the future installer more than doing the stable->testing dance |
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| 18:29.18 | jelly | esp. if you have modern hw (say, models less than 2-3 years old), that stable might have issues with anyway |
| 18:29.41 | karlpinc | jelly: Is there an installer with non-free firmware included for bullseye? |
| 18:29.55 | karlpinc | (One would think so.) |
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| 18:30.21 | karlpinc | jelly: Well, well. Looks like I can't read. |
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| 18:31.31 | jelly | !pal ... sigh, dpkg is taking a well deserved vacation |
| 18:31.32 | dpkg | points at ... sigh, dpkg is taking a well deserved vacation and laughs hysterically |
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| 18:31.41 | jelly | !pal karlpinc |
| 18:31.41 | dpkg | points at karlpinc and laughs hysterically |
| 18:31.49 | jelly | dpkg, wb |
| 18:31.49 | dpkg | thanks, jelly. It's good to be back. |
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| 18:51.01 | oxek | I don't like it that dpkg is starting to have human-like responses, like that one to !wb |
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| 18:59.34 | jelly | dpkâg, do not worry, we don't share his opinion. |
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| 19:02.27 | FuzzyByte | I mean, what would be the downside? |
| 19:04.01 | NGC3982 | dpkg -i irc.deb |
| 19:04.02 | dpkg | package irc.deb is already installed |
| 19:04.15 | NGC3982 | :O |
| 19:06.02 | Casper26 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:08.48 | NGC3982 | i have been bamboozled |
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| 19:15.58 | shtrb | oxek, you shouldn't worry as long it does not start to mimic bot responses |
| 19:17.34 | mentor | dpkg botsnack |
| 19:17.34 | dpkg | mentor: aw, gee |
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| 20:01.27 | Peyam | Hi, it is the real midori webpage? https://astian.org/en/midori-browser/ |
| 20:04.23 | jmcnaught | judd: info midori |
| 20:04.24 | judd | Package midori (web, optional) in buster/amd64: fast, lightweight graphical web browser. Version: 7.0-2; Size: 716.7k; Installed: 4129k; Homepage: https://www.midori-browser.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/midori |
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| 20:05.37 | Peyam | ah the page goes to astian. |
| 20:05.40 | Peyam | legit |
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| 20:17.25 | Randolf | Is anyone here running Seafile? I'm having trouble getting it to start, and it presents me with a "Error:Seahub failed to start" message that isn't helpful beyond indicating that it failed to start. |
| 20:17.40 | Peyam | Do you know how tro start it in incognito? in the command line |
| 20:20.39 | Randolf | Peyam: I'm following the documentation, which instructs using this command: ./seahub.sh start |
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| 20:21.12 | Peyam | I meant Midori :D |
| 20:21.12 | Randolf | This is actually the second command to start it. The first one was successful, which is: ./seafile.sh start |
| 20:21.39 | Randolf | Oh, sorry. I didn't see any other conversation for 15 minutes. |
| 20:22.03 | jiggawattz | you actually joined after Randolf |
| 20:22.05 | jiggawattz | so no worries :) |
| 20:22.12 | Randolf | :) |
| 20:22.18 | jiggawattz | uses neither Seafile nor Midori sorry y'alls |
| 20:23.01 | Randolf | I've used the Midori web browser, and I liked it. I hope it gets more updates to support current web stuff. |
| 20:23.03 | Peyam | idk what browser to install that is lightweighted |
| 20:23.26 | Peyam | Randolf, yes but I don't know how to add Adblocker lists |
| 20:23.31 | jiggawattz | lynx |
| 20:23.40 | Peyam | with a user interface |
| 20:23.41 | jiggawattz | unless you need graphics |
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| 20:24.33 | Peyam | I need graphics |
| 20:24.43 | Peyam | do you suggest anything guys? |
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| 20:27.18 | FuzzyByte | Peyam: I'm digging Links. It's mostly functional, very fast, and views lots of webpages correctly. Also supports lots of image formats and is IMO a decent image viewer. |
| 20:27.32 | FuzzyByte | http://links.twibright.com |
| 20:27.32 | oxek | Peyam: there really aren't any functional lightweight browsers anymore |
| 20:27.37 | Randolf | I really like Lynx (and Links) text-mode web browsers. |
| 20:27.56 | oxek | I mean this in the best way possible, but we simply have to wait for an autistic student to get around to making a new browser |
| 20:28.01 | Peyam | FuzzyByte, How is ad blocking on that thing? |
| 20:28.15 | FuzzyByte | be aware that you need a big fat web browser if you want like html5 and js |
| 20:28.26 | oxek | I've seen extremely impressive feats of software engineering from people on the autism spectrum |
| 20:28.36 | jhutchins | You could build a pihole. |
| 20:28.43 | FuzzyByte | Peyam: I rarely ever see any ads, it has a block image function too, apparently. |
| 20:28.46 | Peyam | oxek, yes but they are not creative |
| 20:29.02 | oxek | Peyam: don't need creativity, just need to replicate current functionality |
| 20:29.13 | oxek | which is the absolute best case scenario for someone on the spectrum |
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| 20:29.26 | Randolf | oxek: I'm on the autism spectrum in a significant way, and I know there's a lot of truth to that. |
| 20:30.00 | Peyam | oxek, yeah awesome. It is not easy to work with those guys but when you know how to work with them it becomes easy. In my exprience planning releases and issues with people with autism is very energy and time consuming |
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| 20:30.16 | oxek | I know it might sound stupid, but I kinda envy the ones I know, they can find a target and focus on it and stop at nothing until they reach it |
| 20:30.18 | Peyam | That is true. I am too a little people say |
| 20:30.20 | oxek | I really admire that |
| 20:30.24 | Randolf | oxek: But creativity is something that isn't actually uncommon -- many autistic people are creative, but most of the world seems to think - wrongly - there's no creativity at all. |
| 20:30.51 | Peyam | Tesla had some kind of autism didn't he? |
| 20:31.17 | oxek | anyway, to get it back on track (sorry for offtopic), there really isn't a good browser that would fit what you're asking for |
| 20:31.35 | Peyam | I like midori except the ads thingi |
| 20:33.21 | FuzzyByte | Peyam: https://0x0.st/-coj.png is a webpage in graphical Links. Be aware that some webpages will have long lists for navbars and no JS unless you want back to old versions. It mostly works though. |
| 20:33.58 | Peyam | tbh FuzzyByte that is most boring looking thing I ever seen |
| 20:34.09 | FuzzyByte | You can customize it. |
| 20:35.08 | oxek | customize the bread? |
| 20:35.19 | oxek | is the recipe libre? |
| 20:35.41 | FuzzyByte | Uh what? |
| 20:35.43 | FuzzyByte | yeah |
| 20:35.56 | FuzzyByte | I thought they meant the webpage, not the bread |
| 20:36.00 | FuzzyByte | lmao |
| 20:36.20 | FuzzyByte | also chose that webpage 'cuz it's memey |
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| 20:36.50 | oxek | I guess 'memey' is a word now. |
| 20:36.55 | oxek | I'm getting too old. |
| 20:37.22 | oxek | I dread the day that someone will make a meme out of some Toy Story character, and debian will name a release after it. |
| 20:37.47 | FuzzyByte | It's just an attempt at making an adjective out of "meme" |
| 20:38.05 | FuzzyByte | Ridiculous would've fit as well. |
| 20:38.38 | oxek | that's the thing, I recognized what 'memey' meant, despite seeing that word for the very first time. |
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| 20:39.01 | oxek | and I don't know how I feel about myself for being able to do that |
| 20:39.16 | FuzzyByte | human creativity |
| 20:39.21 | FuzzyByte | gotta love the internet |
| 20:39.43 | FuzzyByte | In any case, you could also make it look like this: https://0x0.st/-coO.png |
| 20:39.44 | oxek | (not mine) https://i.redd.it/myw4jim0via61.png |
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| 20:40.30 | FuzzyByte | meh, lightweight OSs are nice |
| 20:40.44 | FuzzyByte | sometimes having bloated things is really nice too. |
| 20:40.51 | oxek | they have a purprose, like alpine linux in containers |
| 20:40.54 | FuzzyByte | all depends on your use case |
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| 20:55.08 | unborn | something is wrong with judd |
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| 21:01.57 | jelly | judd, ping |
| 21:01.57 | judd | pong |
| 21:02.18 | jelly | anything specific in mind, unborn? |
| 21:02.29 | unborn | jelly <judd> No package named 'mariadb' was found in amd64. |
| 21:02.41 | jelly | maybe that's true |
| 21:02.42 | unborn | same for apache and gimp |
| 21:02.46 | Unit193 | ,v mariadb-server |
| 21:02.47 | judd | Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.38-0+deb8u1; stretch-security: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.37-0+deb9u1; stretch: 10.1.45-0+deb9u1; buster-security: 1:10.3.25-0+deb10u1; buster: 1:10.3.27-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:10.5.9-1; sid: 1:10.5.9-1 |
| 21:02.51 | Unit193 | ,v gimp |
| 21:02.52 | judd | Package: gimp on amd64 -- jessie: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; buster: 2.10.8-2; bullseye: 2.10.22-3; sid: 2.10.22-3 |
| 21:02.54 | Unit193 | ,v apache2 |
| 21:02.56 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u16; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u9; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u9; buster: 2.4.38-3+deb10u4; buster-security: 2.4.38-3+deb10u4; stretch-backports-sloppy: 2.4.43-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports: 2.4.46-4~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.4.46-4; sid: 2.4.46-4 |
| 21:02.59 | Unit193 | Hmm.. |
| 21:03.10 | jelly | unborn, what exactly did you ask it? |
| 21:03.23 | jelly | esp. wrt gimp :-) |
| 21:03.34 | unborn | jelly same as usual /msg judd v apache |
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| 21:04.05 | jelly | well there's really no package named apache or mariadb, but /msg judd v gimp ought to have worked |
| 21:04.09 | unborn | oh asked about apache2 and it work |
| 21:05.06 | unborn | so I have to be package specific then? |
| 21:07.33 | jelly | you need to get the name right |
| 21:09.35 | unborn | yap my bad, sorry for noise |
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| 21:44.34 | Caesar_NayKid | Keyboard shortcut to open terminal console in Debian anyone ? |
| 21:45.28 | oxek | Caesar_NayKid: what DE? |
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| 21:45.51 | oxek | I have it as Ctrl-Alt-t or Super-t on xfce |
| 21:46.01 | oxek | (though I probably mapped those myself) |
| 21:46.14 | FuzzyByte | Caesar_Naykid: most DEs have ctrl-alt-t, maybe get sxhkd if you feel like a good configuration file |
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| 21:49.32 | Unit193 | oxek: https://sources.debian.org/src/libxfce4ui/4.16.0-1/libxfce4kbd-private/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml/#L15 |
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| 21:50.29 | oxek | Unit193: nice find, guess I was wrong and it is default |
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| 21:52.12 | Caesar_NayKid | I had to custom map it. |
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| 21:52.42 | Caesar_NayKid | Oxek: im using Debian Bullseye |
| 21:53.09 | Caesar_NayKid | I have an issue though and nobody in the Debian-next seems available at the moment. |
| 21:53.18 | Caesar_NayKid | My screen resolution is locked |
| 21:53.27 | Caesar_NayKid | Anyone familiar with how to modify that? |
| 21:53.41 | Caesar_NayKid | It locked in gnome settings anyway |
| 21:53.51 | Caesar_NayKid | And stuck on 4:3 |
| 21:53.56 | oxek | Caesar_NayKid: that really is a discussion for #debian-next. I have no idea yet what changed in it. |
| 21:54.22 | Caesar_NayKid | How would you change the resolution in Buster? |
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| 21:55.03 | oxek | I'd check for messages in dmesg and journalctl about some errors, I'd check for missing firmware, I'd check if I'm using proprietary drivers if necessary, and then I'd go in the settings and look for something like Monitor or Display |
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| 21:55.42 | jelly | Caesar_NayKid, did you use the installer images with firmware? |
| 21:55.46 | oxek | knowing my luck, I'd also check if the cable is securely fastened, and if the monitor is not in some sort of strange mode due to pressing some buttons on it |
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| 21:56.07 | jelly | Caesar_NayKid, which graphics card is there in the machine? |
| 21:58.26 | Caesar_NayKid | Jelly: yes firmware iso |
| 21:58.29 | jelly | good |
| 21:58.39 | Caesar_NayKid | Jelly: onboard graphics |
| 21:58.54 | jelly | which specific gpu/cpu? |
| 21:59.00 | Caesar_NayKid | The motherboard i believe has integrated but the cpu is intel and should also |
| 21:59.14 | jelly | okay, intel, which cpu model? |
| 21:59.17 | Caesar_NayKid | However, not sure which one the bios is using |
| 22:00.18 | Caesar_NayKid | Soooo.. it's an 11th gen i5 11400 |
| 22:00.26 | Caesar_NayKid | Just came out 3/30/2021 |
| 22:00.32 | jelly | that sounds rather new |
| 22:00.49 | Caesar_NayKid | Only 4 days ago |
| 22:01.00 | jelly | you don't buy the latest hw to run Linux on |
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| 22:01.48 | jelly | https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/212270/intel-core-i5-11400-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz.html |
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| 22:02.12 | Caesar_NayKid | Well, not lookin to game or nothing. Guessed intel gfx would be safer.. i can still see it. Probably would be better if my oled was directly plugged in. |
| 22:02.40 | ramzy | hey im back with another stupid question... |
| 22:02.47 | oxek | that hw should be supported in the 5.10 kernel |
| 22:03.04 | oxek | and since you're on bullseye, it should have it |
| 22:03.13 | oxek | ramzy: there are no stupid questions |
| 22:03.18 | Caesar_NayKid | I read rocket lake support was added a bit ago |
| 22:03.37 | jelly | sadly the kernel isn't the only piece of software that magically makes everything work |
| 22:03.45 | oxek | true |
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| 22:04.03 | oxek | but intel is usually good about getting support into places before actually releasing the stuff |
| 22:04.21 | Caesar_NayKid | I got a message in at #debian-next |
| 22:04.30 | Caesar_NayKid | Nobody seems to be around at the moment |
| 22:04.30 | jelly | Caesar_NayKid, ask #intel-gfx which versions of kernel, xorg, mesa/vulkan, dri... you need to make things work |
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| 22:04.51 | Caesar_NayKid | Seems more like a display issue |
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| 22:05.02 | Caesar_NayKid | Gnome says "unknown display" |
| 22:05.02 | jelly | and if you want to run Linux without a hitch, avoid buying latest generation hw |
| 22:05.43 | jelly | could be any nubmer of things, from DDC not working, correct driver not loading, correct driver not being new enough.... |
| 22:05.49 | Caesar_NayKid | I feel ya. In the end there won't probably even be a monitor hooked up. |
| 22:06.18 | Caesar_NayKid | Surprisingly it installed on the pcie4.0 nvme |
| 22:06.18 | jelly | then set up ssh and log in remotely as you're going to in the future |
| 22:06.32 | Caesar_NayKid | Well slow down.. haha |
| 22:06.44 | Caesar_NayKid | This is only my second ever Linux install |
| 22:06.59 | Caesar_NayKid | I did an Ubuntu a year ago, and it still running |
| 22:07.31 | Caesar_NayKid | Decided to try something different this go, and Debian was seemingly recommended as a pure and stable option |
| 22:07.31 | jelly | Canonical cares a bit more about making various hardware work properly, they even have paying customers |
| 22:07.45 | ramzy | oxek: i was setting up my pkg manger repositery when this error came up |
| 22:08.04 | jelly | Debian is a pure and stable option, but not on the latest hardware on the market |
| 22:08.45 | Caesar_NayKid | Got it. Nonetheless. Just finished my first ever Debian install like 10 minutes ago. Any immediate recommendations? |
| 22:09.00 | Caesar_NayKid | Like apt update packages or whatever? |
| 22:09.07 | oxek | Caesar_NayKid: read the guide |
| 22:09.08 | jelly | they're up to date. |
| 22:09.17 | oxek | that would be my recommendation |
| 22:09.34 | Caesar_NayKid | Bruh.. i been reading the guide |
| 22:09.44 | oxek | good |
| 22:10.46 | Caesar_NayKid | But im a slow reader and have only had time to read a few hours at nights. Also learning a new Cisco CBS350 and how to setup KVM/Qemu all at the same time. |
| 22:11.41 | ramzy | Caesar_NayKid: im not an expert but ... maybe try to do some basic things to check that nothing is broken |
| 22:11.45 | Caesar_NayKid | Built my computer last night in two hours but had to go buy a DisplayPort to Hdmi converter from bestbuy this morning |
| 22:12.19 | oxek | ramzy: we're still waiting for you to post that error :) |
| 22:12.26 | Caesar_NayKid | Ramsy: so far i went into settings in gnome and mapped a keyboard shortcut to open terminal and that worked |
| 22:12.43 | ramzy | https://ibb.co/x2sLnVc |
| 22:13.08 | ramzy | oxek: sorry forgot to include the link |
| 22:13.50 | oxek | ramzy: is that during the installation? |
| 22:13.55 | ramzy | yes |
| 22:14.12 | Caesar_NayKid | Firmware Bullseye Alpha 3 installer found both NVME drives even with the new Intel z590 chipset installed and found the Realtek 2.5gb nic during install and ripped right through. |
| 22:14.29 | ramzy | do i just igrnore it and fix my sources.conf later? |
| 22:14.55 | ramzy | oxek: ? |
| 22:15.15 | oxek | ramzy: you can ignore it, if you know how to fix it later. Usually this error occurs if you have no internet during installation. |
| 22:15.20 | oxek | did you select some mirror specifically? |
| 22:15.58 | ramzy | nop chose diffrent ones in diffrent countries(no proxy) and gave same error |
| 22:16.35 | ramzy | also i have internet |
| 22:17.42 | oxek | well it definitely should not be popping up that error message |
| 22:17.54 | oxek | unfortunately I'm not familiar with the graphical installer |
| 22:18.01 | oxek | (or even the non-expert installer) |
| 22:18.49 | ramzy | im in a vm could some weird setting there doing that? |
| 22:19.31 | jelly | Caesar_NayKid, what does "uname -a" say right now? alpha 3 installer is 3+ months old |
| 22:20.12 | ramzy | oxek: ? |
| 22:20.54 | oxek | ramzy: unlikely. Are you sure the VM has access to internet? |
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| 22:21.48 | Caesar_NayKid | Linux [name] 5.10.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.24-1 (2021-03-19) GNU/Linux |
| 22:21.53 | ramzy | i have a kali machine configured that way and it works also when i finish installation is has internet |
| 22:22.08 | jelly | okay, that seems up to date |
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| 22:23.03 | jelly | Caesar_NayKid, and what does "apt-cache policy firmware-misc-nonfree" say? |
| 22:23.24 | jelly | ,v firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 22:23.25 | judd | Package: firmware-misc-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20200918-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20210208-4; sid/non-free: 20210315-2; experimental/non-free: 20210322-1~exp1 |
| 22:24.35 | ramzy | oxek: so...? |
| 22:24.58 | Caesar_NayKid | Wait, run it the way you typed it first or add the v |
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| 22:26.00 | jelly | Caesar_NayKid, run "apt-cache policy firmware-misc-nonfree" to show current installed, if any, and available versions |
| 22:26.16 | jelly | there's no v |
| 22:26.23 | Caesar_NayKid | Installed: (none) |
| 22:26.34 | ramzy | oxek: wait ... it worked |
| 22:26.42 | Caesar_NayKid | Candidate: 20210208-4 |
| 22:26.53 | Caesar_NayKid | Version table: |
| 22:27.01 | jelly | Caesar_NayKid, good, install it, reboot, see if there's a change |
| 22:27.05 | Caesar_NayKid | 20210208-4 500 |
| 22:27.10 | Caesar_NayKid | Install what |
| 22:27.26 | jelly | the package named firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 22:27.42 | ramzy | i used a diffrent kind of server "archive.something ''instead of deb.debian.org |
| 22:27.47 | Caesar_NayKid | Got a command ? |
| 22:28.03 | jelly | apt install packagename (run that as root) |
| 22:28.45 | Caesar_NayKid | Packagename is firmware-misc-nonfree? |
| 22:28.49 | jelly | correct |
| 22:29.03 | Caesar_NayKid | Idk how to run as root |
| 22:29.18 | Caesar_NayKid | Su apt? |
| 22:29.25 | jelly | either prepend "sudo " to the command, or open a separate root shell with "su -" |
| 22:29.34 | jelly | and then run it in that shell |
| 22:29.35 | Caesar_NayKid | Sudo |
| 22:29.41 | oxek | you sure about that one? I'd install 'firmware-linux' and let it get all the dependencies, or firmware-linux-nonfree. The misc one contains just miscellanous stuff that's rarely necessary. |
| 22:30.15 | jelly | oxek, I'm sure that's the one containing intel gpu firmware on buster is what I;m sure |
| 22:30.32 | oxek | hmm |
| 22:30.34 | dvs | oxek: firmware-linux installs both firmware-misc-free and firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 22:31.27 | oxek | I don't really see intel firmware files in firmware-misc-nonfree, but perhaps I'm blind |
| 22:31.48 | ramzy | what is a "debian desktop enviroment" |
| 22:31.51 | jelly | ,file kbl_huc_ver02_00_1810.bin --release bullseye |
| 22:31.53 | judd | No packages in bullseye/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 22:31.55 | jelly | ramzy, Gnome |
| 22:32.06 | jelly | ,file kbl_huc_ver02_00_1810.bin |
| 22:32.11 | judd | Search for kbl_huc_ver02_00_1810.bin in buster/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/i915/kbl_huc_ver02_00_1810.bin |
| 22:32.18 | jelly | well that's weird |
| 22:32.46 | oxek | they did say they are on bullseye, right? |
| 22:33.00 | jelly | ,file lib/firmware/i915 --release bullseye |
| 22:33.02 | judd | No packages in bullseye/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 22:33.09 | jelly | oxek, correct |
| 22:33.12 | ramzy | jelly: it comes up in softwar sellection list ...btw is "standard system utilities" |
| 22:33.21 | ramzy | *GNU |
| 22:33.27 | oxek | ramzy: you very likely want "standard system utilities" |
| 22:33.28 | jelly | !standard task |
| 22:33.28 | dpkg | i guess standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 22:34.23 | Caesar_NayKid | Hmm |
| 22:34.31 | jelly | ramzy, if you know exactly why you don't need those, you can disable that one |
| 22:34.34 | Caesar_NayKid | Y'all are way beyond me haha |
| 22:34.44 | ramzy | oxek: okay ..do i need print server? |
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| 22:35.13 | Caesar_NayKid | Why don't i go walk my dog and let y'all help ramzy then I'll come back |
| 22:36.28 | ramzy | ...sorry? |
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| 22:38.18 | oxek | ramzy: do you have a printer? |
| 22:38.38 | oxek | and will you be printing from the virtual machine? |
| 22:38.38 | ramzy | oh ..no |
| 22:38.45 | oxek | then you don't need print server |
| 22:38.56 | oxek | can always install it later if needed |
| 22:39.44 | ramzy | also i guess i wont need debian desktop enviroment since im gonna be using xfce |
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| 22:40.18 | ramzy | btw is it actually good or should i just install kde |
| 22:40.24 | Wally | ramzy, Debian doesn't have a desktop environment |
| 22:40.38 | Wally | and DE's should be whatever you feel comfortable with |
| 22:40.48 | Wally | So try them out. It's not hard to flick betwee |
| 22:40.52 | Wally | between* |
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| 22:41.23 | ramzy | >ramzy, Debian doesn't have a desktop environment |
| 22:41.23 | ramzy | Wally: jelly told me that its gnome |
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| 22:41.42 | Wally | Yeah well it can be anything you want it to be |
| 22:42.02 | Wally | gnome, kde, xfce.. cinnamon |
| 22:42.04 | Wally | whatever |
| 22:42.15 | ramzy | i mean the option in the gui installer |
| 22:42.21 | ramzy | i deselected it |
| 22:42.27 | ramzy | is that smth bad? |
| 22:42.31 | oxek | Wally: debian default desktop environment is still gnome |
| 22:42.38 | jelly | Wally, the context is debian-installer task selection |
| 22:42.38 | Wally | Of course it is |
| 22:42.44 | Wally | Ah right. |
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| 22:43.52 | oxek | !install guide |
| 22:43.52 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual . See also <errata> and <buster release notes>. |
| 22:44.03 | oxek | ramzy: that guide should cover all the questions you're having |
| 22:44.09 | jelly | ramzy, did you not want to try KDE? Pick that one straight from the task selector. |
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| 22:44.57 | jelly | yes. It's a good idea try to avoid wasting volunteers' time on stuff you can easily find out on your own |
| 22:45.02 | ramzy | jelly: i think i might install it later on my host marhine since my wifi is paingully slow |
| 22:45.16 | jelly | by READING |
| 22:45.48 | ramzy | oxek: thanks ...i was just gonna ask for smth like that |
| 22:45.57 | eruditehermit | hey, I have a question regarding apt list or dpkg -l. Is there a way for either tool to list which source repo a package came from? This would be useful to isolate packages from a particular PPA and list them. Additionally, is there any sort of tool that provides a queryable web interface to getting the output of a dpkg -l or apt list? |
| 22:46.37 | jelly | eruditehermit, once it's installed there's absolutely no way to know where a package came from |
| 22:46.37 | ramzy | oxek: do u have one with basic linux knowlge like how to switch DEs and stuff like that? |
| 22:46.57 | oxek | ramzy: the install guide covers some of that |
| 22:47.05 | oxek | there are other debian docs somewhere |
| 22:47.29 | oxek | https://www.debian.org/doc/ |
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| 22:47.45 | oxek | and the debian wiki has a search button too |
| 22:47.48 | jelly | eruditehermit, apt-cache policy packagename is useful to see which versions are available from enabled repos right now, but even if the version is exactly the same you still can't be sure it was installed from there |
| 22:47.55 | ramzy | thanks! |
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| 22:48.07 | oxek | !debian wiki |
| 22:48.07 | dpkg | The Debian wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/) is a support and documentation resource for the Debian project. For information about the wiki itself, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki . Wiki bugs are documented in the <BTS>, see http://bugs.debian.org/wiki.debian.org . See also <immutable wiki>. |
| 22:48.49 | eruditehermit | jelly: ah that's a disappointment. So apt-cache policy operates on individual packages. While I can write some script that might be able to do this for every package it'd be slower/more work than a tool that did this in aggregate. It seems though that such a thing doesn't exist? |
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| 22:50.11 | jelly | there are many tools to parse Packages lists |
| 22:50.17 | jelly | !grep-dctrl |
| 22:50.55 | oxek | dpkg: are you slacking off today? |
| 22:50.56 | dpkg | oxek: wish i knew |
| 22:51.22 | jelly | ,i dctrl-tools |
| 22:51.24 | judd | Package dctrl-tools (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Command-line tools to process Debian package information. Version: 2.24-3; Size: 100.9k; Installed: 421k; Homepage: https://github.com/ajkaijanaho/dctrl-tools |
| 22:51.31 | oxek | dpkg has been a bit nonresponsive lately, or even straight out missing in this channel (or even the network!) |
| 22:51.31 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, oxek |
| 22:51.47 | oxek | judd on the other hand is a star, as always |
| 22:52.01 | jelly | also, there are no builds for Debian in PPA |
| 22:53.13 | jelly | eruditehermit, which distro are you actually using? Third party repos for Debian typically put something easily greppable in their version numbers |
| 22:53.27 | jelly | (at least the nice ones) |
| 22:55.17 | eruditehermit | jelly: it's my own repo actually that I want to find things from. I have a script that can list them: grep ^Package /var/lib/apt/lists/<repo you are interested in>* | awk '{print $2}' | sort | uniq |
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| 22:55.37 | eruditehermit | jelly: but I was hoping to use something more formal/correct |
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| 22:56.49 | eruditehermit | jelly: my goal was to design a tool that will enable me to tell what packages AND what versions of the package I have installed from my own repository. I am researching the best/most correct way to do this. |
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| 22:57.33 | jelly | eruditehermit, I suggest versioning packages with a unique label. backports use "bpo", deb-multimedia uses "dmo"... |
| 22:57.41 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 22:57.42 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-5-686 (5.10.26-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-5-686 (5.10.24-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (5.10.19-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-16-686-pae (4.19.181-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.16-686 (4.19.181-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 22:57.43 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 22:58.05 | jelly | see those weird 5.10.19-1~bpo10+1 versions |
| 22:58.41 | eruditehermit | jelly: this is possible though will require some additional work on my part. I was hoping to keep the versions somewhat clean. It's possible and might be the only/best way though. |
| 22:58.56 | jelly | this is the current common workaround for apt not tracking source of a binary package at download or install time. |
| 23:02.03 | eruditehermit | jelly: so you'd recommend reading up on grep-dctrl? |
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| 23:05.06 | jelly | there are other tools but that one first came to mind for bulk-massaging of installed packages and repo contents ("Packages" files) |
| 23:05.50 | jelly | someone more awake might remember a better tool or two |
| 23:07.11 | eruditehermit | jelly: looks pretty cool so far. I'll take a look and try to come up with something. I appreciate the help and guidance! |
| 23:08.15 | jelly | eruditehermit, might also try asking #debian over on irc.oftc.net, or #packaging there for best practices managing own packages and repos |
| 23:08.23 | jelly | !oftc |
| 23:08.24 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 23:08.32 | jelly | not that |
| 23:08.34 | jelly | !oftc move |
| 23:08.35 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
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| 23:09.01 | jelly | basically all the debian irc channels are over there now |
| 23:09.14 | eruditehermit | oh hmm |
| 23:09.19 | eruditehermit | since 2006 wow |
| 23:09.51 | jelly | yes yes, it's a recent development and 1000 people in here have not noticed yet |
| 23:10.37 | jelly | 999* people have not noticed yet |
| 23:10.52 | Unit193 | Wait what? It moved!? :o |
| 23:12.16 | jelly | debhelper the bot should keep the limit monotonically decreasing, so that it only allows for people leaving for OFTC and not new ones joining here |
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| 23:13.59 | jelly | ,i apt-forktracer |
| 23:14.01 | judd | Package apt-forktracer (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: utility for tracking non-official package versions. Version: 0.5; Size: 21.7k; Installed: 122k |
| 23:14.15 | mangix | LOL |
| 23:14.18 | Unit193 | Pretty sure not what he's looking for. |
| 23:14.58 | Unit193 | I too am one that likes to maintain his own repo, but not exactly sure what he's looking to do really. |
| 23:15.33 | jelly | > apt-forktracer displays a list of packages which are in an inconsistent state, or whose installed version is different than the newest official one. |
| 23:15.44 | jelly | that sounds like aptitude's |
| 23:15.51 | jelly | !not available |
| 23:15.51 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 23:16.07 | jelly | !obsolete |
| 23:16.08 | dpkg | If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>. |
| 23:16.13 | Unit193 | apt-forktracer will list packages you can still download, but are not from Debian. |
| 23:16.15 | oxek | wouldn't `aptitude search ~o` do the same? |
| 23:16.59 | oxek | Unit193: unfortunately apt-forktracer will list files coming from buster-backports too |
| 23:17.08 | Unit193 | aptitude search ~o | wc -l;apt-forktracer |wc -l â 7, 74 |
| 23:17.16 | Unit193 | oxek: Yes, unfortunately. :/ |
| 23:17.48 | jelly | zsh: no such user or named directory: o # at least my shell is CONSISTENT |
| 23:18.31 | jelly | your command would just do the wrong thing on a system that has a user named "o"! |
| 23:19.35 | eruditehermit | apt-forktracer looks interesting |
| 23:19.41 | oxek | ok, fine, `aptitude search '~o'` |
| 23:19.49 | jelly | !clap |
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| 23:21.30 | oxek | !obsolete |
| 23:21.30 | dpkg | If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search '~o'". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>. |
| 23:21.34 | oxek | happy now? :) |
| 23:21.38 | oxek | or did I mess it up? |
| 23:23.09 | eruditehermit | so apt-forktracer is close but the issue is, suppose I have the official repos and then I have something else like a repo for google stuff and a repo for my own stuff as well as other thirdparty repos, I'll get all the thirdparty repos included |
| 23:23.14 | eruditehermit | which isn't too bad |
| 23:23.36 | eruditehermit | I can do some filtering on that output |
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| 23:27.33 | eruditehermit | so is this the recommended command to try: aptitude search ~o | wc -l;apt-forktracer |wc -l â 7, 74 |
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| 23:28.16 | Unit193 | No, that was my answer to "Doesn't $foo do the same?" |
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| 23:52.33 | HelloShitty | Hello |
| 23:53.08 | HelloShitty | If I want to mount a drive using it's UUID, I should use UUID or PARTUUID? |
| 23:54.39 | oxek | depends on what you want to mount |
| 23:55.41 | HelloShitty | This drive only has 1 partition |
| 23:55.50 | HelloShitty | I tried to mout the UUID and I think it's ok |
| 23:56.01 | HelloShitty | but not sure if there was any difference if I chose the PARTUUID |
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