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| 00:09.32 | Basque | hello, is there a ISO to download, that boot at least a kernel 5.x at debian? |
| 00:10.19 | dvs | probably the bullseye pre-release |
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| 00:11.36 | Basque | how can i know the content of software included at ISO before downloading? |
| 00:12.33 | Basque | i want to know the kernel included to try it at my machine |
| 00:14.30 | dvs | Basque: There's a list-dvd directory that contains the list of package for each set: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-dvd/ |
| 00:15.22 | Basque | thank you |
| 00:15.36 | dvs | np |
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| 00:31.49 | Caesar_NayKid | Bro |
| 00:31.56 | Caesar_NayKid | Having lots of probs |
| 00:32.06 | Caesar_NayKid | Lost video |
| 00:32.42 | Caesar_NayKid | Since, i added an old low budget nvidia gigabyte video card |
| 00:33.06 | Caesar_NayKid | So i got video back but Debian goes black when booting |
| 00:33.30 | Caesar_NayKid | At grub rn |
| 00:34.10 | Caesar_NayKid | Any ideas how to get it to boot again and try to reestablish vid with a different graphics card? |
| 00:34.14 | HelloShitty | How do I reload gpg-agent config file? I did a small change to it but can't remember how to reload it |
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| 00:37.13 | LtL | HelloShitty: gpgconf --kill gpg-agent # should reset it |
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| 00:38.36 | LtL | HelloShitty: thats as user, it'll say OK. then you should be good |
| 00:39.01 | eruditehermit | jelly: dpkg -l | grep `comm -12 <(dpkg -l | tail -n+6 | awk '{print $2}' | sort) <(grep -h ^Package /var/lib/apt/lists/*my-apt-internal*Packages | awk '{print $2}' | sort) | tr '\n' ' ' | sed 's/\s\+/\\\|/g' | sed 's/\\\|$//'` |
| 00:39.13 | eruditehermit | this is what I got to |
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| 00:40.22 | oxek | what info are you trying to extract? |
| 00:41.07 | eruditehermit | oxek: out of all the possible packages installed from my repository, which ones are installed AND what version are they at |
| 00:41.30 | eruditehermit | next step being, which ones could possibly be upgraded |
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| 01:21.26 | HelloShitty | thank you LtL |
| 01:21.44 | LtL | HelloShitty: Sure |
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| 01:28.22 | merAzi | Hello everyone |
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| 01:34.11 | bagira | is this the appropriate channel for discussions on the next vote? |
| 01:35.34 | sney | no, #debian is for user support primarily |
| 01:35.53 | sney | the voting discussions are more for mailing lists |
| 01:36.40 | bagira | is there an IRC venue you could direct me to? mailing lists are pretty controlled |
| 01:37.15 | sney | there might be something listed on http://wiki.debian.org/IRC |
| 01:37.21 | bagira | thanks |
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| 01:48.46 | Caesar_NayKid | Can't seem to boot into Debian. Any troubleshooting suggestions? |
| 01:49.32 | sney | Caesar_NayKid: sqrt{not} has a suggestion for you in the other channel, please don't crosspost |
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| 02:32.43 | Caesar_NayKid | Hey |
| 02:33.15 | Caesar_NayKid | My Debian wouldn't boot. I pressed e at the grub boot. Deleted quiet |
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| 02:34.09 | n_crm | ? |
| 02:34.28 | Caesar_NayKid | It got hung at: |
| 02:34.31 | Caesar_NayKid | 4.451708] fb0: switching to nouveaufb from EFI VGA |
| 02:34.45 | Caesar_NayKid | I replaced quiet with nomodeset |
| 02:34.52 | Caesar_NayKid | It booted into Debian |
| 02:35.08 | Caesar_NayKid | I log in and i can use it. |
| 02:35.25 | Caesar_NayKid | Any suggestions what to try to get that figured out? |
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| 02:37.37 | dvs | Caesar_NayKid: Add nodemodeset in between the quotes at GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub to make that change permanent. |
| 02:38.24 | Caesar_NayKid | In the other chat im in i was told not to do that haha |
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| 02:39.01 | Caesar_NayKid | "nomodeset is a workaround, it disables all video acceleration. it's not a good idea to make it permanent. " |
| 02:39.06 | dvs | it's a stop-gap measure until you worked the real problem out |
| 02:39.16 | dvs | exactly |
| 02:39.17 | Caesar_NayKid | That was specifically what they told me. |
| 02:39.34 | Caesar_NayKid | But as for troubleshooting where can I start? |
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| 02:41.44 | Caesar_NayKid | So, i went into this file you mentioned. |
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| 02:43.50 | Caesar_NayKid | It's read only doe |
| 02:44.10 | Caesar_NayKid | How do i open text editor elevated |
| 02:44.21 | imMute | sudo? |
| 02:54.14 | Caesar_NayKid | Im feeling ready to throw in the towel on Debian |
| 02:54.24 | Caesar_NayKid | I want to like it and run it. |
| 02:54.50 | Caesar_NayKid | No clue how to handle something like this though |
| 02:56.26 | cws | Caesar_NayKid: What kind of video card do you have? |
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| 03:04.48 | dannylee | well i reinstall 200 times in the last 10 years...but remember that i'm stupid...debian buster is really good...if you have a gun then may be you should shoot your computer... |
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| 03:08.43 | Caesar_NayKid | This seems to have worked |
| 03:08.46 | Caesar_NayKid | apt install nvidia-driver firmware-misc-nonfree |
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| 03:21.12 | cheapie | considers installing Debian on some box here and selecting all of the DE options when it asks |
| 03:21.46 | cheapie | Actually, all of the task options, *including* all of the DEs :P |
| 03:23.42 | cws | I am suddenly reminded of rhel5 with its "install every single package" install option. |
| 03:24.50 | cheapie | I remember back when I was new, I tried once to go into Synaptic, highlight everything, and mark for installation. |
| 03:25.02 | cheapie | IIRC it sat there for about half an hour and then spat out a big long list of conflicts. |
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| 03:32.34 | abff | why is vim-common compiled without syntax |
| 03:33.13 | abff | and which version of vim in the repos does get compiled with the suite of syntax definitions |
| 03:33.25 | abff | I feel like I'm taking crazy pills |
| 03:36.10 | Caesar_NayKid | Is gedit a thing in Debian? |
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| 03:36.18 | Caesar_NayKid | Or some similar? |
| 03:36.27 | imMute | Caesar_NayKid: yes, gedit is available in debian. |
| 03:37.08 | Caesar_NayKid | What's the command to run it |
| 03:37.24 | Caesar_NayKid | Gedit smb.conf gave me an error |
| 03:37.48 | imMute | lowercase g |
| 03:37.50 | Caesar_NayKid | Unable to init server: could not connect: connection refused |
| 03:38.00 | Caesar_NayKid | Yeah i had lowercase |
| 03:38.49 | Caesar_NayKid | Do i need to install something first? |
| 03:38.56 | cws | You are running this in a graphical environment of some form, right? |
| 03:39.05 | Caesar_NayKid | Gnome |
| 03:40.29 | Caesar_NayKid | I can open it from the gui file explorer but then it read only |
| 03:40.50 | Caesar_NayKid | Wouldn't mind making my user account have some higher access too. |
| 03:42.23 | cws | That's not how things work. That file is only editable by root, that's on purpose, and that's correct. |
| 03:42.53 | cws | So open up gnome terminal, and use su or sudo to edit the file with a console text editor. |
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| 03:46.17 | Caesar_NayKid | I did su -l |
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| 05:20.09 | dannylee | i'm a happy camper..i got google chrome install on my machine...and i have 5 web browser working 100%...ok buster is a little bit better than stretch....the terminal are really great...with fgedora i can't keep hacker from getting into my machine...debian want a password...but fedora don't...even konqueror will play youtube video...this make me happy...Debian is easy enough...C0000L. |
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| 07:17.31 | ramzy411 | this probaly has nothing to do with debian spasifcly but when i switch from english (to arabic) on my computer it works but swtching from arabic doesn't |
| 07:17.45 | ramzy411 | im on xfce btw |
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| 07:32.56 | shtrb | ramzy411, what does it mean "works or not works" ? |
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| 07:33.56 | ratrace | !doesn't work |
| 07:33.56 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 07:35.49 | epsilon | the most common complaints at work: "my internet does not work" |
| 07:36.58 | shtrb | ramzy411, if I properly guess what happen ,is that you have a key combination to switch input language (X or DE level) when you are on English you are able to move to arabic by using the key combination, but when you are on Arabic when you are using the key combination it does not go back to english |
| 07:37.02 | shtrb | ramzy411, is that correct ? |
| 07:37.20 | jelly | epsilon, that's the most common complaint even when you're working at an ISP |
| 07:37.58 | shtrb | With ISPs it's normally really is the ISP not providing decent service :P |
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| 07:42.57 | EdePopede | iBUS is nice with it. Alt-Space or whatever it was until the correct layout is selected |
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| 08:05.33 | shtrb | ramzy411, ? |
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| 08:55.13 | isapgswell | i always need to comment //modifier Mod3 = { Scroll_Lock }; |
| 08:55.21 | isapgswell | why scrolll lock key is buggy on debian? |
| 08:55.46 | isapgswell | even when my keyboard do not have this keystroke |
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| 09:01.58 | ratrace | isapgswell: that's totally out of context, and for most things, false. |
| 09:03.05 | isapgswell | ratrace my macbook do not have this modifier, and when i comment that line the lag dissapeared, for ex switching vt |
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| 09:03.23 | isapgswell | ratrace sorrry, do not have scroll_lock key |
| 09:04.52 | ratrace | isapgswell: what are you talking about |
| 09:05.15 | isapgswell | ratrace input lag |
| 09:05.55 | ratrace | I thought you were talking about some modifier somewhere and something something about scroll lock |
| 09:06.04 | ratrace | which is still out of context and makes no sense |
| 09:06.05 | ratrace | !sicco |
| 09:06.06 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 09:06.50 | isapgswell | ratrace i have a macbook, and its keyboard do not have scroll_lock key, so when i switch vt the system lags , cpu get high load |
| 09:07.31 | isapgswell | ratrace after commenting that line at this file: /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/br |
| 09:07.43 | isapgswell | ratrace //modifier Mod3 = { Scroll_Lock }; |
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| 09:07.56 | isapgswell | ratrace lag disappeared |
| 09:08.04 | ratrace | isapgswell: okay, so? |
| 09:08.14 | isapgswell | ratrace is that a bug? |
| 09:08.27 | ratrace | you don't have the scroll lock, so something about xkb is buggy in trying to use a key that doesn't exist |
| 09:08.47 | ratrace | unless that's just side effect of something completely different. |
| 09:09.05 | isapgswell | ratrace i only switched vt |
| 09:09.21 | isapgswell | ratrace i read on internet is n old bug |
| 09:09.22 | velix | apt install random-reboot && random-reboot --whenever |
| 09:09.33 | ratrace | isapgswell: bug in what? |
| 09:10.17 | isapgswell | ratrace i believe X, because at gdm login screen i switch vt normally |
| 09:10.39 | ratrace | gdm login screen is also run by X |
| 09:10.54 | isapgswell | ratrace maybe xsession |
| 09:11.05 | ratrace | isapgswell: but when you "read on internet" that it's "an old bug" .. surely it's mentioned _where_ the bug is? or else whoever posted that doesn't really know |
| 09:11.51 | isapgswell | ratrace mentioned bug but not identified cause, the workaround is to comment that line in that file |
| 09:14.31 | ratrace | isapgswell: so the bug is specific to macbooks with no scroll lock key? |
| 09:15.09 | isapgswell | ratrace i have a Dell G7 and the issue is the same |
| 09:16.14 | isapgswell | ratrace i think the system is matching abnt2 keyboard when locale is brazil, but the keyboard is us alt-intl |
| 09:16.56 | ratrace | isapgswell: if you wish, you can file a bug report against xkb-data. I can't imagine where the scroll lock key would be used as a Mod... |
| 09:17.41 | isapgswell | ratrace look this file /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/br |
| 09:17.56 | ratrace | what about it? |
| 09:18.15 | isapgswell | ratrace the modifier i commented is inside that file |
| 09:18.21 | ratrace | isapgswell: yes, I know |
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| 11:14.16 | isapgswell | ratrace the xkb-data manifest gdm login too |
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| 14:12.26 | Caesar_NayKid | Hey |
| 14:12.58 | Caesar_NayKid | I have a fresh install. I opened terminal. I typed fdisk |
| 14:13.03 | Caesar_NayKid | Command not found |
| 14:13.14 | Caesar_NayKid | I typed partman |
| 14:13.18 | Caesar_NayKid | Command not found |
| 14:13.23 | Caesar_NayKid | Help a n00b |
| 14:13.32 | Caesar_NayKid | What do i need to do to run those |
| 14:13.40 | asymptotically | Caesar_NayKid: i think they're in /sbin which isn't on your path by default. try doing `sudo fdisk` or `su` if you don't have sudo installed |
| 14:13.52 | asymptotically | *isn't on the path of normal users as they're no use to normal users |
| 14:14.08 | dvs | Caesar_NayKid: those command are only runnable by root |
| 14:14.09 | wsky | Caesar_NayKid: sudo su or su - and then try again |
| 14:14.50 | Caesar_NayKid | Gotcha so my issue is that im trying to run root apps as a non root user |
| 14:15.03 | wsky | that's correct |
| 14:15.07 | dvs | correct |
| 14:15.19 | Caesar_NayKid | Sudo didn't work |
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| 14:15.37 | Caesar_NayKid | Says my account "is not in the dudoers file" |
| 14:15.49 | wsky | you need to add your user to the sudo group |
| 14:15.50 | dvs | you probably have to set sudo up (i.e. install the package and add that user to the sudo group) |
| 14:15.52 | wsky | and relog |
| 14:16.09 | wsky | before then you could go with 'su -' |
| 14:16.12 | Caesar_NayKid | Mind giving me the command? |
| 14:16.20 | Caesar_NayKid | Su -l ? |
| 14:16.23 | wsky | gpasswd -a your_user sudo |
| 14:16.36 | dvs | adduser user group |
| 14:16.39 | wsky | su - will allow you getting correct root prompt |
| 14:16.48 | wsky | without need of using sudo |
| 14:17.15 | Caesar_NayKid | Ok i did su - |
| 14:17.20 | Caesar_NayKid | Now what |
| 14:17.30 | Caesar_NayKid | Y'all said two different things |
| 14:17.31 | wsky | now try your command again |
| 14:17.32 | dvs | adduser $USER sudo |
| 14:17.46 | Caesar_NayKid | $user meaning my username |
| 14:17.47 | dvs | oops! |
| 14:17.54 | dvs | yes, correct |
| 14:18.02 | wsky | yes, i told you how add your user to sudo group and how to get root prompt without doing it |
| 14:18.19 | Caesar_NayKid | mmm |
| 14:18.21 | wsky | still |
| 14:18.24 | Caesar_NayKid | Confused |
| 14:18.28 | wsky | you need to do that with root prompt |
| 14:18.43 | wsky | so you totally need to run 'su -' first, then keep on configuring your system |
| 14:18.48 | Caesar_NayKid | Done |
| 14:18.54 | Caesar_NayKid | Su - |
| 14:18.58 | Caesar_NayKid | Im there |
| 14:19.09 | Caesar_NayKid | Adduser me sudo |
| 14:19.50 | Caesar_NayKid | Says im added now |
| 14:20.07 | wsky | yes, however the changes will apply after you relog |
| 14:20.16 | dvs | Caesar_NayKid: now log out and back in again (no, not just closing the terminal window) |
| 14:20.21 | wsky | before then there will be no effect |
| 14:22.13 | Caesar_NayKid | Still says im not in the subdoers file. But I probably screwed up because after i did it i su back to my account |
| 14:22.31 | Caesar_NayKid | Do over? |
| 14:22.42 | wsky | we told you to relog |
| 14:22.43 | dvs | Caesar_NayKid: now log out and back in again (no, not just closing the terminal window) |
| 14:23.09 | Caesar_NayKid | Hmm |
| 14:23.22 | Caesar_NayKid | It says im already a member of sudo |
| 14:23.28 | Caesar_NayKid | I did logout |
| 14:23.32 | cws | Log back out. Entirely. All sessions. |
| 14:23.42 | cws | Then log back in and try to sudo something. |
| 14:23.44 | dvs | NOT JUST CLOSING THE TERMINAL WINDOW! |
| 14:23.52 | Caesar_NayKid | I Used Gnome to logout and then back in. |
| 14:24.01 | Caesar_NayKid | Never closed the terminal |
| 14:24.14 | wsky | then, if you entered correct commands, all should be fine now |
| 14:24.15 | cws | Then try to sudo something. |
| 14:24.19 | dvs | That's the problem, you didn't log out. |
| 14:24.24 | Caesar_NayKid | Sudo fdisk failed |
| 14:24.34 | wsky | try sudo su |
| 14:24.48 | wsky | then run fdisk |
| 14:25.05 | avu | !sudo su |
| 14:25.05 | dpkg | Typing "sudo su" is like typing "cat file | cat". If you want a non-login shell as root, just use "sudo -s". If you want a login shell, "sudo -i". There's no need to run two different superuser-elevation programs chained back to back. See also <buster su> |
| 14:25.13 | Caesar_NayKid | "Bad usage" |
| 14:26.21 | Caesar_NayKid | Sounds like Im already doing things I shouldn't be doing? |
| 14:26.47 | Caesar_NayKid | I just want to see my partitions and maybe make another one ugh |
| 14:27.02 | dvs | one a running system? that's a bad idea |
| 14:27.07 | dvs | *on |
| 14:27.22 | cws | wsky: why would you do that instead of just sudo fdisk /dev/sda |
| 14:27.30 | Caesar_NayKid | I have a separate unpartitioned drive |
| 14:27.37 | dvs | ah |
| 14:27.58 | wsky | i'm trying to make things as clear as possible to our fellow guy over here |
| 14:28.06 | Caesar_NayKid | "Sudo fdisk" doesn't seem to work |
| 14:28.11 | wsky | log in to the root prompt, run root commands |
| 14:28.14 | dvs | Caesar_NayKid: now log out and back in again (no, not just closing the terminal window) |
| 14:28.17 | cws | Caesar_NayKid: Because you need to specify a device name for fdisk to work with. |
| 14:28.18 | dvs | last time |
| 14:28.27 | cws | wsky: Well you're screwing it up pretty much across the board. |
| 14:28.41 | Caesar_NayKid | Tell me how to logout bro. |
| 14:28.44 | wsky | i never claimed i'm perfect |
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| 14:28.50 | cws | wsky: sudo su is not how you elevate, and sudo already grants root privs* to the command that you're running. |
| 14:29.02 | Caesar_NayKid | Cuz i went to Gnome and logged out but maybe there's a terminal logout? |
| 14:29.05 | wsky | i was unaware of the recent changes |
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| 14:29.24 | cws | wsky: None of this is recent. sudo has worked that way since... uh...1980? |
| 14:29.36 | dvs | Caesar_NayKid: In gnome, go to top left, select "Log Out" from that menu. Then at the login screen, type in your username and password and get back in. |
| 14:29.41 | wsky | sudo su never gave me a single issue |
| 14:29.44 | avu | wsky: 'sudo su' was always weird/useless, that's not recent |
| 14:29.46 | Caesar_NayKid | Ok so i did that already |
| 14:29.58 | cws | wsky: Just because you can doesn't mean you should. You're misusing it, end of story. |
| 14:30.07 | wsky | ok, sudo -s it will be then |
| 14:30.21 | avu | wsky: it's a weird meme that is quite pervasive though, never quite unterstood why |
| 14:30.41 | Caesar_NayKid | When i did sudo su it asked me for my password then switched me to root@ |
| 14:30.43 | cws | its one letter off of sudoku, i dunno |
| 14:30.54 | Caesar_NayKid | Seems like it did the same thing as typing su - |
| 14:31.10 | avu | Caesar_NayKid: su asks for root's password, sudo asks for yours |
| 14:31.11 | cws | Caesar_NayKid: don't "sudo su" - as we just got done explaining, that's a misuse of the command. |
| 14:31.30 | cws | Caesar_NayKid: sudo fdisk /dev/sdb, assuming your unpartitioned disk is connected. |
| 14:31.33 | dvs | Caesar_NayKid: su - uses root's password, sudo su uses the user's password. |
| 14:31.46 | Caesar_NayKid | Yes except i already did it, so I'd love to go back in time and not do it. |
| 14:32.52 | cws | avu: im going to write an ncurses sudoku solver, but it will only run as root, so you have to type sudo ku |
| 14:32.53 | Caesar_NayKid | If im switched to root I don't need sudo right? |
| 14:33.03 | dvs | correct |
| 14:33.29 | shtrb | it's better not to work as root |
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| 14:34.23 | Caesar_NayKid | Fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdb: no such file or directory |
| 14:34.44 | Caesar_NayKid | Shtrb: i switched user back to my account |
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| 14:35.05 | dvs | Caesar_NayKid: Use "lsblk" to see what's attached. |
| 14:35.41 | Caesar_NayKid | Nvme0n1 has all partitions |
| 14:35.55 | Caesar_NayKid | Nvme1n1 is also there with no partitions |
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| 14:36.14 | dvs | so you want fdisk /dev/nvme1n1 ? |
| 14:36.25 | Caesar_NayKid | Sounds like it. |
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| 14:36.46 | Caesar_NayKid | Is there a debian gui disk manager? |
| 14:36.50 | shtrb | fyi : that's an nvme connection |
| 14:36.51 | dvs | gparted |
| 14:37.13 | shtrb | Caesar_NayKid, yes gparted or partionmanager or qparted (what ever poison you prefer ) |
| 14:37.22 | Caesar_NayKid | Shtrb: i only installed nvme's in this system so far |
| 14:37.49 | Caesar_NayKid | Debian instructions recommended "partman" |
| 14:38.11 | Caesar_NayKid | Is it pre-installed? |
| 14:38.11 | dvs | oh gawd |
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| 14:39.03 | Caesar_NayKid | I don't really want to make a partition at this time. I just want to try these apps and see which ones i like |
| 14:39.11 | shtrb | Caesar_NayKid, what "recommendations" are you reading ? |
| 14:39.29 | dvs | then try the apps |
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| 14:40.10 | Caesar_NayKid | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/apcs05.html.en |
| 14:40.18 | dvs | jessie? |
| 14:40.31 | dvs | you're running buster |
| 14:40.39 | Caesar_NayKid | ..Or beyond |
| 14:41.14 | Caesar_NayKid | I didn't see the Jessie until i pasted that |
| 14:41.27 | Caesar_NayKid | But so what, is there some new then? |
| 14:41.42 | Caesar_NayKid | Did all these partition managers not exist then? |
| 14:41.51 | dvs | I like gparted but you can try others. |
| 14:42.02 | ZeroWalker | is postfix just for sending mails, or can it be used as a mail server (having an inbox and all that). I am trying to find a way to setup a mail server for testing that i can both send to and read from |
| 14:42.38 | cws | Caesar_NayKid: i would, honestly, just use fdisk and such. I find that GUI partition managers abstract things a bit too much, and often end up doing things you didn't intend. |
| 14:42.53 | cws | Now, granted, I haven't used a GUI partition editor in some years. Things have likely changed/improved. |
| 14:44.07 | Caesar_NayKid | What im planning to do with it is probably make a small ext4 partition to store VM configs and then leave the rest to allow a Win10 VM to use as its install partition |
| 14:44.48 | Caesar_NayKid | I haven't really learned what's the best way to set that up yet. I just bought a separate drive to allocate to a VM |
| 14:45.16 | cws | VMs typically use container files as a disk image for their storage, not an on-disk partition. |
| 14:45.55 | ratrace | ZeroWalker: postfix is just a mail transfer agent. it can receive mail and use different transport for storage to inboxes. |
| 14:46.03 | Caesar_NayKid | Gonna use KVM/Qemu/libvert/virt manager. Not sure if anyone here is familiar but please share any opinions on setting that up if you want |
| 14:46.21 | ratrace | ZeroWalker: there's better postfix help in #postfix |
| 14:46.57 | Caesar_NayKid | .. Setting up the partitions for it i should clarify |
| 14:46.58 | ZeroWalker | ratrace, will try asking there then, thanks |
| 14:50.52 | cws | Caesar_NayKid: Read what I just said. |
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| 14:55.27 | Caesar_NayKid | Ok. But those containers have to be stored somewhere right? |
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| 14:56.58 | cws | "file" implies "on a filesystem." |
| 14:57.04 | cws | Not just an empty partition. |
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| 16:03.57 | trysten | ZeroWalker: maildev |
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| 16:13.21 | ZeroWalker | trysten, wow this looks perfect, thanks |
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| 16:40.22 | ratrace | ZeroWalker: that seems to be intended for testing and is built on node.js ... I'd stick with Postfix+dovecot if I were you. |
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| 16:43.02 | ZeroWalker | but my usecase is for testing though? |
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| 16:43.43 | ratrace | ZeroWalker: I'd still stick with postfix. But if that's not a general production MTA you're going to turn onto public internet, then I suppose it's okay. |
| 16:45.08 | ratrace | ZeroWalker: however, I do wonder what kind of testing you're doing. ie, what will you do after testing is done and you want to enter production. |
| 16:45.45 | ratrace | ZeroWalker: because if you're testing email sending from an app, you can use dma with your gmail account, for example, if you have it. simplest possible setup |
| 16:46.15 | ZeroWalker | mta? the thing i am testing will send to outlook.com, which i can test but it's kinda annoying to spam it so to speak. so the point it to just have something that acts the part if that make sense |
| 16:46.33 | ZeroWalker | dma? |
| 16:46.40 | ZeroWalker | all those terms i don't know of |
| 16:46.53 | ZeroWalker | and yeah it's just for sending a mail basically |
| 16:46.55 | ratrace | ZeroWalker: you have an outlook account? |
| 16:48.02 | ratrace | MTA = Mail Transfer Agent (eg. Postfix). dma = Dragonfly Mail Agent = tiny programs that submits mail to an MTA. Can be used to send email to yourself if you're using gmail or outlook, using smtp+sasl credentials |
| 16:48.12 | ratrace | ,v dma |
| 16:48.13 | judd | Package: dma on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9-1; stretch: 0.11-1+b1; buster: 0.11-1+deb10u1; bullseye: 0.13-1; sid: 0.13-1 |
| 16:50.31 | ZeroWalker | yeah, but it's a bit special in the sense that we got a special server to allow non authenticated mails, but only from a specific IP, so the test need to account for that (being able to send unauthenticated). But this is basically to prevent having to use that setup for testing, cause i don't always work against this ip and parts of the mail will trigger other systems which is not wanted when testing |
| 16:51.24 | ratrace | that doesn't make much sense. sounds like you're actually testing for spamming and want to test unauth defense systems of outlook |
| 16:51.45 | ZeroWalker | oh confused it with MSA |
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| 16:53.54 | ZeroWalker | no, i am just explaining it badly. It's used to send an email, but not using an account as it's used on company grounds anyway so it should always be from that ip. No deep meaning behind it other than not worrying about credentials in a nutshell |
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| 17:42.22 | kevinnn | hi all, I installed libinput-dev on my system and I noticed that it only installed the libinput shared library, not the statically linkable one... how do I get apt to install the statically linkable one? I've installed many many libraries in the past and they always had the static and dynamic one |
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| 18:01.57 | babyswizz | newbie here. been trying to open a GUI application from getty but getting the no display environment variable specified error. How do I get the correct address of my display? |
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| 18:07.04 | sney | babyswizz: you can 'echo $DISPLAY' from an xterm or similar gui terminal window, it'll probably say :0. then you would do DISPLAY=:0 your-command-here. |
| 18:07.22 | sney | however, running an X application from not-X can be an annoying process, and there might be a better/cleaner solution for your overall goal |
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| 18:10.58 | babyswizz | sney: DISPLAY is not set. so echo $DISPLAY does not display anything |
| 18:11.46 | babyswizz | I am just trying to thinker with the debian os and know my way around it. Not trying to do anything special |
| 18:12.38 | sney | then the answer is that you can't run that gui application from a text-only console |
| 18:12.42 | sney | !handbook |
| 18:12.42 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 18:14.02 | babyswizz | so I cannot run firefox from the text-only console? |
| 18:16.36 | sney | correct. |
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| 18:18.04 | sney | there are text-only browsers that you might find handy, such as w3m, elinks, or lynx |
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| 18:19.19 | babyswizz | thanks. It makes sense that I am not able to run a GUI app on a text-only console |
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| 18:31.22 | EdePopede | would it run in tty because framebuffer? mpv does with libcaca for output (but better not to return to X before terminating the player) |
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| 18:47.11 | oxek | technically you can run firefox from text-only console, scripting it using selenium and then parsing the output |
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| 18:47.41 | oxek | but you'd pretty much just get only text back. And maybe pictures, if your terminal can handle that. |
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| 18:51.58 | ratrace | I have to try that now |
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| 19:16.23 | subcool | whats with term not auto-completing. ?? sudo apt install firm(tab tab tab tab tab tab ttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb) |
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| 19:19.10 | cheapie | subcool: I've had that happen a few times. I think sometimes bash-completion doesn't get installed for some reason? |
| 19:19.14 | subcool | seriouys.. the only results im getting is from 10 years ago |
| 19:19.24 | subcool | i just reinstalled it |
| 19:19.41 | subcool | i reinstalled the entire OS on this machine thinking i got hacked because of it |
| 19:20.23 | subcool | is bashrc still athing?: |
| 19:21.28 | subcool | it works for some command lne stuff, like. i have a fix that says to cp it form /etc/skel/,baskrc. i can tab my way there. but i cant tab apt-get |
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| 19:22.10 | subcool | it as to be something else. and its infuriating. |
| 19:22.20 | subcool | LTS needs tocome 5 years |
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| 19:23.54 | oxek | subcool: Tab autocompletion works for me for `sudo apt install firm<TAB>` |
| 19:24.28 | jmcnaught | subcool: you have the bash-completion package installed? |
| 19:25.14 | oxek | a workaround would be to install zsh |
| 19:25.21 | cheapie | fires up the Debian installer again, picks all of the DEs to see what happens |
| 19:25.35 | cheapie | "Retrieving file 1 of 2761" |
| 19:25.41 | oxek | cheapie: I've done it, and you end up with a lot of packages. |
| 19:26.06 | cheapie | I wanna see just what it ends up installing :P |
| 19:26.38 | subcool | hoenstly- it was working until i connected to the internet, and did an official update |
| 19:27.00 | subcool | i was trying to run a ISO based repository, but ALL those links are 10 years old |
| 19:27.34 | subcool | and require turning the Media into official Fstab media. whichi finnaly did- but then it STILL didnt work because it caouldnt download a somthing file. |
| 19:27.39 | subcool | so i gae up and plugged it in |
| 19:28.02 | subcool | so basically- honestly i should toss the computer out the window.. and use smoke signals |
| 19:28.08 | subcool | caseim fucking tired of this bs |
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| 19:29.21 | oxek | don't throw the computer out the window, I'd happily take it off you |
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| 19:29.38 | oxek | I need a new computer but can't spare the cash for it right now |
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| 19:29.49 | subcool | only if i can kick it to you |
| 19:31.02 | subcool | im seriously about to send this thing off a secondary story deck.. |
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| 19:31.15 | subcool | why the fuck is it acting like this |
| 19:33.42 | subcool | rebooting |
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| 19:36.50 | subcool | sob |
| 19:37.01 | subcool | i cp'ed the bashrc file. everything works. |
| 19:37.09 | subcool | tak about fucking mad |
| 19:37.17 | Caesar_NayKid | Hey |
| 19:37.35 | Caesar_NayKid | Any chats about Samba shares? |
| 19:37.51 | subcool | i havent had this thin on for 5 hours. Do i need to keep a file access tranasction logs? i feel like freezonepc or whatever software that was. |
| 19:38.23 | Caesar_NayKid | I can ask here but maybe there's a better place? |
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| 19:42.46 | Aavar | Caesar_NayKid: Please ask your question :) |
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| 19:47.51 | Caesar_NayKid | Aavar: I created a Samba shared folder |
| 19:48.10 | Caesar_NayKid | It located at /share/SDrive |
| 19:48.31 | Caesar_NayKid | But, during Debian install i created a separate partition for /Home |
| 19:48.53 | Caesar_NayKid | It most of the % of the drive |
| 19:49.03 | Caesar_NayKid | I want to move my shared folder into there |
| 19:50.06 | Caesar_NayKid | If i go to terminal and try to mkdir /Home/(users)/SDrive it says No such file or directory |
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| 19:50.18 | Caesar_NayKid | Probably because it's on a different partition |
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| 19:50.39 | Caesar_NayKid | How can I make a new one there or move this one there |
| 19:50.48 | Aavar | Caesar_NayKid: It should be /home, not /Home. *nix is case sensitive. |
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| 19:51.34 | Caesar_NayKid | So i created a folder inside /home but I didn't see it in Gnome in the Home folder |
| 19:51.56 | Aavar | (Please look into tab-completion. It will make your life much better :)) |
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| 19:52.19 | Caesar_NayKid | Me? |
| 19:52.26 | Caesar_NayKid | What's tab-completion |
| 19:52.33 | Aavar | Yes you Caesar_NayKid :) Goggle it :) |
| 19:53.11 | Aavar | Caesar_NayKid: /home is the main folder for all the user folders. /home/<username> is what you want. |
| 19:54.01 | Aavar | btw, there is nothing stopping you from crating the folder in the gui and not the terminal. |
| 19:56.22 | Caesar_NayKid | Yeah i got it in there now |
| 19:56.47 | Caesar_NayKid | Now i gotta go back and redo the smb.conf |
| 19:57.46 | cheapie | Well, this is taking a while. I probably should have picked a faster computer... |
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| 20:05.55 | abff | > every de offered by d-i |
| 20:05.58 | abff | yikes |
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| 20:12.11 | dob1 | can an user override system dns ? |
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| 20:16.38 | dob1 | I mean a local resolv.conf |
| 20:16.54 | sney | !hosts |
| 20:16.55 | dpkg | /etc/hosts is a static lookup table for hostnames. "man 5 hosts" for more information and example content. To change your system's hostname, ask me about <hostname>. |
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| 20:16.57 | Caesar_NayKid | Ok got a problem |
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| 20:17.53 | Caesar_NayKid | Ok. Gotta problem. I moved a file in terminal but i had a typo and it moved it to a folder that doesn't really exist. So now I don't know how to find that file |
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| 20:19.05 | sney | if you moved it to a dir that doesn't exist, you probably renamed it to that typo |
| 20:19.16 | Caesar_NayKid | Like if i type ls -l i can see this folder but I can't cd into it. |
| 20:19.36 | Caesar_NayKid | mmmm |
| 20:20.12 | Caesar_NayKid | Anyway to ls with filesize? |
| 20:20.19 | sney | ls -s |
| 20:20.40 | Caesar_NayKid | Ok that's probably it. |
| 20:20.46 | Caesar_NayKid | Rename command? |
| 20:20.50 | Caesar_NayKid | Rn? |
| 20:20.52 | sney | mv |
| 20:20.55 | sney | !refcard |
| 20:20.55 | dpkg | A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>. |
| 20:21.01 | Caesar_NayKid | Thx |
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| 20:23.25 | Caesar_NayKid | If im in a folder and i want to mv a file to a subfolder of that same folder do i have to type the full path or can i do like a mv file1 ./subfldr |
| 20:24.32 | sney | the latter. you dont need a leading dot either. |
| 20:25.17 | Caesar_NayKid | Ok so it won't put it in root /subfldr |
| 20:25.48 | sney | with a leading slash it will |
| 20:26.06 | sney | mv foo bar/ will move the file foo into the folder bar |
| 20:26.21 | cheapie | watches bug #758324 doing its thing |
| 20:26.22 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/758324 in shared-mime-info (forwarded, patch, fixed-upstream, upstream): «shared-mime-info: huge speedup: sync all files at once instead of syncing them seperately (40s to 1s)»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-08-16; last modified: 2018-10-15. |
| 20:26.26 | cheapie | It'll get there... eventually :P |
| 20:26.26 | Caesar_NayKid | It moved it into root subfolder |
| 20:26.29 | Caesar_NayKid | Haha |
| 20:26.35 | sney | https://tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/c2690.htm |
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| 20:31.26 | Caesar_NayKid | Ok cool i got things tidied up. |
| 20:32.08 | Caesar_NayKid | Any Qemu libvert virt-manager afficianados here? |
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| 20:32.53 | sney | there are almost 1000 idlers here, ask your actual question rather than waiting for someone to personally invite you |
| 20:33.10 | sney | see also nohello.com |
| 20:33.48 | Caesar_NayKid | Im in virt manager and want to go create a new Win10 VM. But the nvme drive i have to install it on has no partitions |
| 20:34.23 | Caesar_NayKid | So im trying to figure out how to make the VM and then passthrough this physical disk to the virt manager |
| 20:34.33 | Caesar_NayKid | It has a physical disk option but it fails |
| 20:34.54 | Caesar_NayKid | So maybe i need to partition it in Debian first or something |
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| 20:35.27 | Caesar_NayKid | Kinda confused though because if i make it have an ext4 partition then im assuming a win10 vm will want to make an NTFS partition on it. |
| 20:36.07 | jmcnaught | Caesar_NayKid: virt-manager is a front end for libvirt, which has storage pools. In virt-manager you can go to Edit > Connection details and see the storage tab. By default on Debian there is a pool at /var/lib/libvirt/images but you can add other pools. The types of pools are documented here: https://libvirt.org/storage.html |
| 20:37.38 | Caesar_NayKid | Yeah diskpool was what i was trying |
| 20:37.44 | Caesar_NayKid | It's on that list |
| 20:39.05 | cheapie | Caesar_NayKid: If you just want to pass through a block device, you can pick the option to specify a path and just give it "/dev/nvme0n1" or whatever - but do make sure you get the right disk, and you may want to consider using a more robust identification method (like the by-id stuff) instead. |
| 20:42.12 | Caesar_NayKid | I was trying |
| 20:42.26 | Caesar_NayKid | Disk: Physical Disk Device |
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| 20:43.03 | Caesar_NayKid | Then in the browse list, there's two choices |
| 20:43.14 | cheapie | Nice, "select and install software" finally finished... after about an hour and a half. |
| 20:43.27 | Caesar_NayKid | Nvme1 which says character device |
| 20:43.51 | Caesar_NayKid | Nvme1n1 which says Type block device |
| 20:44.00 | cheapie | You have to specify a namespace, like /dev/nvme1n1 or whatever, not the control interface (/dev/nvme1). |
| 20:44.11 | Caesar_NayKid | I chose earlier nvme1n1 block device |
| 20:44.14 | Caesar_NayKid | But it fails |
| 20:44.24 | cheapie | What error do you get? |
| 20:45.48 | Caesar_NayKid | Error ceating pool: Could not start storage pool: Storage pool probe failed: Device '/dev/nvme1n1' is unrecognized, requires build |
| 20:45.48 | cheapie | I like how the installer still prompts me to remove the installation media even though I wasn't installing from any :P |
| 20:46.08 | cheapie | Caesar_NayKid: ...then you're trying to do some pool stuff, which probably isn't what you want. |
| 20:46.51 | Caesar_NayKid | Might not be. |
| 20:47.11 | cheapie | https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/Screenshot%20at%202021-04-04%2015-46-33.png |
| 20:47.24 | cheapie | Replace /dev/sda with the disk you want (probably /dev/nvme1n1) of course. |
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| 20:47.36 | Caesar_NayKid | That's what's there |
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| 20:49.08 | Caesar_NayKid | Source Path: /dev/nvme1n1 |
| 20:49.18 | Caesar_NayKid | Doesn't work though |
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| 21:05.12 | cheapie | Well, I guess this is what you get if you pick *everything* at the tasksel screen: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/Screenshot%20from%202021-04-04%2015-49-31.png |
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| 21:07.44 | sney | cheapie: haha, nice |
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| 21:10.40 | buhtz | Good evening @all. |
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| 21:12.49 | buhtz | I have a RAID 1 - only with data and not boot relevant stuff. It does not run when I boot the machine because it is incomplete; means only one HDD is present. Incomplete is OK for me in the current situation. Question: How can I make the RAID run while booting even if it is incomplete? |
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| 21:31.31 | karlpinc | buhtz: This might or might not help. Install the linux-doc package and: zless /usr/share/doc/linux-doc/Documentation/admin-guide/md.rst.gz |
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| 21:37.58 | Caesar_NayKid | Hi. How do I open gparted in Debian? |
| 21:38.12 | gry | Caesar_NayKid: hi |
| 21:38.21 | gry | Caesar_NayKid: it is the gparted command, prefixed with 'sudo' perhaps |
| 21:38.25 | gry | Caesar_NayKid: would that work? |
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| 21:38.26 | Caesar_NayKid | I tried sudo gparted |
| 21:38.40 | Caesar_NayKid | Command not found |
| 21:38.56 | gry | Caesar_NayKid: is gparted package installed? |
| 21:39.00 | Caesar_NayKid | Maybe it not installed? |
| 21:39.15 | gry | Caesar_NayKid: perhaps - please install it through the debian's package manager |
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| 21:39.41 | Caesar_NayKid | Ok that was it. |
| 21:40.28 | gry | Caesar_NayKid: good channel to ask this question in, too :-) in the other one you'd be sent back to a corner by a few people (larger channels tend to have less patience for people thinking out loud...) |
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| 21:40.53 | gry | while for me, i am fine with it anywhere |
| 21:41.05 | Caesar_NayKid | Well. Im trying to create a vm in virt manager |
| 21:41.44 | gry | yes, i saw some of the chatter about it in the other channel; i'm not proficient with partitions myself, i'm a desktop user |
| 21:41.48 | karlpinc | !cross post |
| 21:41.48 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
| 21:41.51 | Caesar_NayKid | I have a second 250gb nvme installed to put my win10 vm on but virt manager wouldn't let me install it as a disk: Physical Drive |
| 21:42.30 | Caesar_NayKid | Gry: gotcha. |
| 21:42.57 | Caesar_NayKid | So anyways im going to make a partition in gparted now |
| 21:43.10 | Caesar_NayKid | Says i need to make a partition table first |
| 21:43.23 | Caesar_NayKid | Gpt? |
| 21:43.28 | cws | There's a reason why I told you not to use physical disks as a backing store. |
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| 21:43.56 | gry | cws: you mean as backup? |
| 21:44.07 | cws | gry: No, as the storage for VMs. |
| 21:44.13 | gry | ah |
| 21:44.30 | Caesar_NayKid | True but I don't even know what a backing store is so of course it is going to go on deaf ears |
| 21:44.41 | cws | Where the storage for your VMs live. |
| 21:44.56 | cws | It would do you very well to even TRY to learn basic concepts before just charging ahead. |
| 21:45.14 | Caesar_NayKid | Isn't every disk.. a physical disk? With just virtual partitions on it? |
| 21:45.22 | gry | yes |
| 21:45.36 | cws | Caesar_NayKid: No. |
| 21:45.38 | gry | but when a virt-manager wants to create a new vm, it needs to allocate space on your disk for it |
| 21:46.00 | gry | and this space is called 'backing store', and there are different ways to define it |
| 21:46.10 | Caesar_NayKid | Ok so how much space is needed for the storage |
| 21:46.30 | Caesar_NayKid | Also i will not create any more vms on this machine |
| 21:46.56 | Caesar_NayKid | This one vm will run an instance of win10 and very few apps |
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| 21:48.01 | Caesar_NayKid | Can i not give a 50 gb partition on this drive to store the vm configuration files then give it the other 200gb for the virtual disk inside the guest? |
| 21:48.34 | cws | And there is still a total lack of listening or understanding. |
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| 21:55.14 | Caesar_NayKid | Cool. |
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