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| 03:19.12 | Caesar_NayKid | Anyone know of a way to get my guest vm to be discoverable on the same LAN as the host Debian PC? |
| 03:19.41 | Caesar_NayKid | I can get internet but it like not on the same ip range |
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| 03:20.47 | cws | You'll need to create a bridge interface to attach the VM to. |
| 03:25.32 | somiaj | Caesar_NayKid: what vm system are you using? |
| 03:25.55 | somiaj | Caesar_NayKid: the other option if you don't want full access on the same network, is to setup port forwaring for the ports you want to share with the network in your virutal network |
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| 03:28.17 | dannylee | one mistake i made during istallation is i should have check mark KDE along with Gnome an lxde..that way i would have a complete version of konqueror web browser...now i can only use one tex editor at a time..in the home directory i made emacs my default tex editor...it make it easy to edit my website..but if you like gvime or gedit thats ok t0000...Debian is better than most...but i did use fedora for ten years...its |
| 03:28.17 | dannylee | ok...Debian is just a bit better for Hacking... |
| 03:28.43 | somiaj | tex is not text, emacs is a text editor. |
| 03:29.41 | somiaj | though not really sure if you have a question, as there is a lot going on in that sentence, anyways debian provides you lots of choice and you can at any time (not just install time) install/remove the packages you want to use. |
| 03:29.59 | somiaj | So I woudln't say not checking KDE is a mistake, just install it with apt if you want it |
| 03:30.21 | sney | ,i task-kde-desktop |
| 03:30.23 | judd | Package task-kde-desktop (tasks, optional) in buster/amd64: KDE Plasma. Version: 3.53; Size: 1.1k; Installed: 6k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/task-kde-desktop |
| 03:30.39 | dannylee | so can i still install KDE on my machine |
| 03:31.04 | somiaj | sure, just apt install task-kde-desktop if you want the task you would have gotten with the install, though there are a bunch of other options depending on how much of kde you want to isntall |
| 03:31.08 | somiaj | !install kde |
| 03:31.08 | dpkg | The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "KDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue". |
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| 03:31.31 | somiaj | debian provides lots of choice for what you want |
| 03:32.05 | dannylee | ok then...i'm just a bit new with Debian...thanks |
| 03:32.38 | somiaj | yea, debian can be a bit hard when new because it does offer too much choice, when new people may only want a few choices |
| 03:32.46 | somiaj | kde-standard package is what I would recommend |
| 03:33.07 | dannylee | coool |
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| 07:43.52 | likeafox | Hi is it possible to use systemd without logging in "properly" |
| 07:44.28 | likeafox | I'm logging in as another user with sudo -i -u otherguy |
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| 07:45.31 | likeafox | Which gives me shell for otherguy and everything works normally except now I want to use systemd for a thing and I'm realizing that sudo -i doesn't set any of the systemd stuff so systemd is giving me errors cause I guess it didn't log into systemd |
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| 07:56.31 | ratrace | likeafox: are you talking about its dbus interface? |
| 07:56.53 | ratrace | or even better, pastebin some examples of what you're doing and what you're getting |
| 07:57.29 | PsynoKhi0 | Hi, I was here a few days ago regarding issues with "file as vanished" using rsync from a CIFS share, for the record, if that helps anyone: mounting the share with its root deeper in the filesystem helped quite a bit, so path depth was the main issue |
| 07:58.04 | ratrace | PsynoKhi0: what do you mean? |
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| 07:59.07 | PsynoKhi0 | file paths were apparently too long for rsync to handle |
| 08:00.32 | ratrace | PsynoKhi0: that doesn't sound right. how long? |
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| 08:00.45 | PsynoKhi0 | most files listed as vanished are PDFs which file names are the document's title, in 3-4 languages, inside a folder of the same name |
| 08:01.01 | PsynoKhi0 | that adds up quickly |
| 08:01.16 | ratrace | okay, so how many characters are we talking about here? |
| 08:01.30 | ratrace | more than 255? |
| 08:03.14 | PsynoKhi0 | long enough that rsync -iv logs uses elipses |
| 08:04.00 | ratrace | that's just on display side. what about actual path length? looking at some google results, the entire path mustn't be longer than 4k |
| 08:04.38 | ratrace | 32k for SMB (with 255 individual element (dir/file) limit), and NTFS also has 255 for individual dir/file, but 65k path length |
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| 08:05.12 | ratrace | so I suppose if someone was trigger happy on the windows side, it could add up to beyond 4k and screw rsync |
| 08:05.32 | ratrace | but DO verify that's the case. otherwise that's not it and you have another issue to deal with |
| 08:06.03 | PsynoKhi0 | thanks, will check |
| 08:11.21 | likeafox | ratrace, yea so specifically I'm trying to run a user service, so I will run `systemctl --user status pulseaudiosock.service` and it errors "Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory". and btw I check env, and many vars aren't set like XDG_RUNTIME_DIR for example, whereas they ARE set on my "normal" users |
| 08:12.14 | likeafox | So yea there's no dbus session for this user I guess? among other things. |
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| 08:14.05 | ratrace | likeafox: or no polkit permissions. I guess sudo -i and using logind interface (and/or the DM) does different things |
| 08:15.17 | ratrace | logind's one of main raison d'etre is _multiseat_ so it definitely should be able to handle things properly. using those APIs differently (via sudo for example) might require a bit of setup. |
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| 08:28.31 | contrapunctus | o/ |
| 08:30.17 | contrapunctus | I'm trying to backport fdupes from Testing. When I run `sudo mk-build-deps --install --remove`, I get this - https://paste.debian.net/1192337/ What should I do? ð¤ |
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| 08:37.43 | contrapunctus | Oh, with LANG=C - http://paste.debian.net/1192346/ |
| 08:37.55 | wintersky | contrapunctus: you might want #debian-dev |
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| 08:44.06 | contrapunctus | wintersky: thanks, I'll try that |
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| 08:47.31 | likeafox | I think I need to do more to emulate a normal login. Where can I read more about the login process? Like, does lightdm have a script it runs to log in users that I can study? |
| 08:47.59 | PsynoKhi0 | welp I spoke too fast, the vanished files are the same even after mounting deeper, though the folder names contain ellipses when using cd on the share, that puts the whole path at 231 characters in the first instance |
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| 08:55.24 | PsynoKhi0 | could it the the share presenting the folder names with ellipsis as a short hand, with rysnc blindingly using that but failing since it's not the actual name? |
| 08:59.36 | ratrace | PsynoKhi0: that would be a huge bug in SMB then |
| 09:01.44 | PsynoKhi0 | ratrace: I'll check with the endusers and the samba team, thanks for the pointers |
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| 09:17.06 | archaeopter | Hello! Is there a guide on how to setup testing with unstable security updates? |
| 09:17.55 | shtrb | There's no security upgrades for unstable |
| 09:18.17 | shtrb | archaeopter, ^ |
| 09:18.39 | shtrb | archaeopter, in unstable you get the security upgrades via the packages itself (directly) |
| 09:19.00 | archaeopter | Ok, i meant whatever this part of the wiki on it implies 'It is a good idea to install security updates from unstable since they take extra time to reach testing and the security team only releases updates to unstable. If you have unstable in your apt sources but pinned lower than testing, you can automatically add temporary pinning for packages |
| 09:19.01 | archaeopter | with security issues fixed in unstable using the output of debsecan. ' |
| 09:19.08 | archaeopter | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
| 09:19.09 | ratrace | and those sometimes trickle down to stable before testing, which is one of the known things about running testing... |
| 09:19.36 | ratrace | archaeopter: if you have security concerns, don't run testing, or run unstable. |
| 09:20.15 | shtrb | ratrace, unstable does not mean it get the security upgrades faster either :P |
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| 09:20.36 | archaeopter | I would run unstable if me trying to btrfs prtition debian didn't fail over and over while install, so I want a bit more stability |
| 09:20.44 | ratrace | shtrb: afaik unstable always gets a change first |
| 09:20.57 | ratrace | ie, no bump in stable before it got into unstable. are there exceptions? |
| 09:21.03 | shtrb | but unstable also get more security holes faster :P |
| 09:21.23 | ratrace | archaeopter: fails how? |
| 09:21.38 | ratrace | so maybe this is a giant XY and you really need to fix the btrfs issue? :) |
| 09:22.02 | archaeopter | Ok, would yall help me install btrfs debian? |
| 09:22.24 | archaeopter | With encrypted lvm |
| 09:22.33 | archaeopter | Cause it was a headache yesterday |
| 09:22.42 | ratrace | ehh what? btrfs AND lvm? whyyyyyy |
| 09:23.07 | archaeopter | Brr i mean just encrypted drive |
| 09:24.22 | shtrb | archaeopter, please make your mind |
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| 09:24.49 | archaeopter | btrfs-luks, not lvm |
| 09:24.59 | ratrace | archaeopter: you can do that with the installer, doesn't require lvm. just choose manual partitioning, use the encryption option on it (forgot how's it called actually) and then when the crypto container becomes available, format it with btrfs |
| 09:25.04 | ratrace | archaeopter: is this single disk? |
| 09:25.09 | archaeopter | Ye, single disk |
| 09:25.39 | ratrace | personally, I wouldn't recommend running btrfs on a single disk. it's very fragile and often problems lead to unmountable fs, or readonly which requires full restoration from backups |
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| 09:26.41 | ratrace | anyhoo.... manual partitioning -> create partition for luks (and for separate /boot) -> "use" it as crypto something something -> when the LUKS container becomes available, "use" it as BTRFS for / |
| 09:27.03 | ratrace | This "use as" is actually an option/dropdown name iirc |
| 09:27.30 | archaeopter | Aight, ill go boot up the stick |
| 09:29.14 | archaeopter | Let me just check if my irc on mobile works |
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| 09:32.56 | archaeopter94 | OK, got it |
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| 09:35.43 | archaeopter94 | Can you please repeat the instructions? Forgot I don't see the last messages here |
| 09:38.01 | ratrace | archaeopter94: manual partitioning -> create partition for luks (and one for separate /boot) -> "use" the partition as crypto something something (it's an option in partition "use" dropdown) -> when the LUKS container becomes available, "use" it as BTRFS for / |
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| 09:38.23 | ratrace | also set up /boot as ext4 probably. |
| 09:39.34 | ratrace | archaeopter94: oh yes, somewhere in the dialogs for "using" the partition as crypto something something, it'll ask whether to wipe it, you can select NO or else it'll take a while, depending how big the partition is. this wiping under LUKS is increased secuirty measure but for vast majority of home use, it's not needed |
| 09:40.29 | ratrace | it basically randomizes entire partition so it's later not clearly visible which sector contains encrypted data and which one is empty. if this is SSD and you plan to use TRIM, this option makes no sense then |
| 09:40.36 | archaeopter94 | Ok so first ext4 boot with 512 MB? |
| 09:40.58 | ratrace | 512MB should be minimum, yes. |
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| 09:41.51 | archaeopter94 | Leave all settings as is except mount point to /boot correct? |
| 09:42.12 | archaeopter94 | Or bootable flag on too |
| 09:43.43 | archaeopter94 | Nvm, can't change it anyway |
| 09:44.41 | ratrace | archaeopter94: no bootable flag if that's GPT |
| 09:44.55 | ratrace | and now that you mention it ... I don't recall... I _think_ the installer does MBR? |
| 09:45.27 | ratrace | so for GPT you need a third partition, flagged "bios_grub". 1MB suffices for it |
| 09:45.27 | archaeopter94 | Idk, cant research well inside installer lel |
| 09:46.16 | ratrace | archaeopter94: this says if disk is 2TB or less, it'll use MBR: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/518377/where-does-the-debian-installer-choose-mbr-vs-gpt |
| 09:46.30 | archaeopter94 | Ye, mbr then |
| 09:47.05 | ratrace | terrible. |
| 09:47.21 | ratrace | now I remember that being one more reason why I always use debootstrap |
| 09:47.36 | archaeopter94 | It's my laptop, not a data hoarder server lol |
| 09:47.56 | ratrace | well doesn't matter. MBR is a relic from the distant past. |
| 09:48.23 | archaeopter94 | So what are the next steps |
| 09:49.54 | ratrace | archaeopter94: well actually I'm not at home with the installer. I just know you can use it to created encrypted partitions without LVM and use any FS on it. I think BTRFS is on the list. I have no idea how what to do for MBR, I suppose just /boot and the LUKS partition, and make /boot "bootable", dunno |
| 09:51.05 | archaeopter94 | Ok so in the installer I have the option of configuring encrypted volumes above the manual partitioning summary |
| 09:51.30 | ratrace | ah yes "volume" was the term I was missing |
| 09:51.32 | archaeopter94 | So create a btrfs / and go at it? |
| 09:51.50 | ratrace | first create the encrypted volume, then on that volume, you select BTRFS and / as mountpoint |
| 09:52.51 | ratrace | it'll ask for LUKS passphrase, and among those options will be the one to _wipe_ . it's up to you whether you want that or not. it can take a long time, depending how big the partition is. it writes to it approximately at the speed of your disk's sequential write bandwidth, which is ~100MB/s for SATA drives |
| 09:53.32 | ratrace | actually a bit less because iirc it uses urandom which is still insufficiently fast to saturate SATA |
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| 09:54.56 | ratrace | or if I'm wrong and it doesn't use urandom any more but zeroes atop of LUKS, that'll be as fast as your sequential speed, assuming AESNI |
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| 09:57.26 | archaeopter94 | Ok after skipping it I have an ext4 /boot partition and the rest of space is crypto (sda2_crypt) |
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| 09:58.26 | archaeopter94 | And I can't modify it to btrfs I guess? Lights up red, partition in use |
| 09:59.02 | ratrace | archaeopter94: there's an option to use it for / mountpoint, and in that dialog there should be FS selection, under "format as" or something like that |
| 09:59.21 | archaeopter94 | Hmm, I'll redo |
| 09:59.34 | ratrace | it = sda2_crypt in your case |
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| 10:07.21 | archaeopter94 | I don't get/find it, I there a good guide to a encrypted btrfs Debian install? |
| 10:09.12 | ratrace | !tutorials |
| 10:09.13 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 10:10.15 | ratrace | archaeopter94: if the installer is insufficient, I can help you install it with debootstrap if you want. but that requires understanding how to use cryptsetup, parted or some other partitioning tool, mkfs, an editor to set up fstab, crypttab, grub config |
| 10:10.35 | ratrace | I don't want to guide you through it blindly. |
| 10:10.46 | archaeopter94 | Kk |
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| 10:11.25 | ratrace | fwiw, I always use debootstrap to install debian, and I install btrfs or zfs rootfs atop of luks |
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| 10:12.37 | archaeopter94 | Okay how do I use debootstrap |
| 10:13.39 | ratrace | archaeopter94: for starters, you'll need a live linux environment with all the necessary tools. I don't know how suitable debian live is, because I never used it. ubuntu live is very much sufficient, and there's ISOs like sysrescuecd or grml which is actually debian based |
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| 10:14.29 | archaeopter94 | K, then I'll need some time since I'm on debian nonlive ISO to download and burn, brb |
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| 10:15.08 | ratrace | archaeopter94: I used to use ubuntu because it natively supported ZFS, and the live env was fully usable, with apt installable anything-you-need |
| 10:17.13 | archaeopter94 | I just want debian without Dino software and Ubuntu bullshit, I had it on my PC before switching to suse and now I want a deb system to fall back on my laptop |
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| 10:18.19 | ratrace | archaeopter94: Dino? |
| 10:18.26 | archaeopter94 | Old |
| 10:19.12 | ratrace | archaeopter94: okay, but you do realize debian stable is often considered "old"? |
| 10:19.40 | ratrace | at least compared to non-LTS Ubuntus, OpenSuSE Leap, Fedora, Arch (lol) |
| 10:20.12 | archaeopter94 | That's why I started with wanting unstable safety on debian testing lol |
| 10:21.19 | ratrace | archaeopter94: then maybe running unstable and learning how to fix issues if the occur, is your best option? |
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| 10:21.23 | julius_ | hi |
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| 10:21.55 | ratrace | or maybe even ubuntu. it _is_ based on debian after all, and if you squit a little, and remove crapware like snapd and netplan, you could barely see the difference :) AND it'll be supported with latest sht |
| 10:21.57 | julius_ | after running dkpg-reconfigure where does it set LC_ALL? |
| 10:22.05 | ratrace | *squint |
| 10:23.37 | archaeopter94 | Tbh got burned by Ubuntu but I guess I'll try |
| 10:23.41 | ratrace | julius_: I think it does LANG and LANGUAGE envs via /etc/default/locale |
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| 10:24.49 | ratrace | archaeopter94: if you need !sns, it just boils down to balancing your priorities |
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| 10:25.22 | archaeopter94 | sns? |
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| 10:25.25 | ratrace | !sns |
| 10:25.25 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 10:25.49 | julius_ | cant even run locale as my system user: locale locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 10:26.36 | archaeopter94 | I just don't want to have such a big schism between the versions of packages on my opensuse tw and and the soon to be deb laptop |
| 10:26.39 | ratrace | julius_: is the package "locales" installed? what were you dpkg-reconfigure'ing ? |
| 10:27.04 | ratrace | archaeopter94: suse leap or what's the version they went back to from 42? |
| 10:27.18 | archaeopter94 | Tumbleweed, the rolling one |
| 10:27.29 | julius_ | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:27.37 | julius_ | yes, locales is installed |
| 10:27.38 | ratrace | archaeopter94: ah yes... that's the one I meant, not Leap, Leap is the..... okay... neway..... that's gonna be a huge rift then |
| 10:28.13 | ratrace | might really want to run unstalbe, but even that might in some cases lag behind tumbleweed |
| 10:28.56 | archaeopter94 | Haha, that's why it'll be a choice between kubuntu or debian unstable for me |
| 10:28.56 | ratrace | julius_: export LANG="en_US.UTF-8" and re-run `locale` in the same shell. better? |
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| 10:29.41 | julius_ | sadly no, LANG was set before |
| 10:29.44 | ratrace | archaeopter94: you'd want to run KDE on unstable? |
| 10:30.26 | archaeopter94 | And ye it also sux that there is no backport to kde on debian since its fast moving, else I'd probably be happy with a ff flatpak and backports on stable |
| 10:30.26 | fling | Which package is 4.4 kernel config in? |
| 10:30.35 | julius_ | somehow this old server got a mixture of EN and DE locales set (LC_PAPER=de_DE.UTF-8 for example, but LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" and LANG |
| 10:30.40 | fling | Can I download it from the site? and unpack the config |
| 10:30.40 | ratrace | julius_: export LC_ALL= and re-run locale |
| 10:30.48 | archaeopter94 | I'm crazy like that haha |
| 10:31.01 | julius_ | ratrace, locale shows LC_ALL as empty |
| 10:31.22 | ratrace | julius_: then I'm confused now. where/when are you seeing that error? |
| 10:32.37 | ratrace | fling: 4.4 ?! |
| 10:32.38 | julius_ | ratrace, when installing wireguard-dkms perl was complaining about locales |
| 10:32.45 | ratrace | ,kernels |
| 10:32.46 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-5-686 (5.10.26-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-5-686 (5.10.24-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (5.10.19-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-16-686-pae (4.19.181-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.16-686 (4.19.181-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
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| 10:33.35 | ratrace | julius_: even after running dpkg-reconfigure locales ? In that dpg reconfigure, you need to enable checkboxes on all the locales you'll need on the system AND select a default one in the next dialog. |
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| 10:35.40 | julius_ | ratrace, yes there are "stars" set for en_US..xyz and also i set that as the default locale. now im reading that for ssh access is should not set a default locale |
| 10:35.44 | archaeopter94 | ratrace thx for the help and advice, |
| 10:35.44 | archaeopter94 | I'll go install Kubuntu I guess :) |
| 10:35.59 | julius_ | ratrace, but im the only user on that system so i doubt it matters |
| 10:38.10 | randomGry | archaeopter94, kubuntu has a channel in case you did not know |
| 10:38.40 | ratrace | julius_: wait, sshd by default accepts LANG sent by your client side. you can disable that and/or force LANG="en_US.UTF-8" or whichever, via your shell rc |
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| 10:38.54 | ratrace | julius_: OR use same locale on your client and server side |
| 10:39.06 | randomGry | Good idea to use the same |
| 10:39.11 | julius_ | ratrace, i already disabled the lang thingy in /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 10:39.32 | julius_ | hm, ok |
| 10:39.41 | ratrace | archaeopter94: might be best option; unstable is not really considerd for regular release and usage, like ubuntu would be |
| 10:40.01 | julius_ | for now i did set LC_ALL in ~/.bashrc for my user and root...probably not the best solution but it keeps away these ugly erros when installing something |
| 10:40.07 | julius_ | thanks guys |
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| 10:40.15 | ratrace | julius_: set just LANG, not LC_ALL |
| 10:40.43 | ratrace | unless you're overriding env sent by client side |
| 10:41.54 | julius_ | ok im gonna try lang later, need to get some exercise done now :) |
| 10:41.58 | julius_ | thanks again |
| 10:42.09 | ratrace | julius_: at any rate, if your sshd_config has the (default) AcceptEnv LANG LC_* then you certainly need to sync locales used on the server and on the client |
| 10:43.18 | julius_ | ah...i found that setting in ssh_client on the server but of course that makes no sense. will disable that as well |
| 10:44.19 | ratrace | julius_: sshd_config you mean, surely? |
| 10:45.37 | julius_ | no |
| 10:45.51 | julius_ | i found some LANG settings in ssh_config also |
| 10:46.16 | julius_ | but i disabled the sshd_config version now |
| 10:46.19 | ratrace | which is irrelevant for the server side |
| 10:46.26 | julius_ | yes |
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| 10:46.38 | ratrace | julius_: if you disabled, then you need to set LANG="..." in your shell rc |
| 10:46.54 | julius_ | did that |
| 10:47.00 | ratrace | export LANG="..." ? |
| 10:47.25 | julius_ | im just wondering where debian keeps all the LANG settings, locale outputs ~10 lines of different language settings |
| 10:47.45 | julius_ | will change that to LANG= but im currently using LC_ALL |
| 10:48.14 | ratrace | julius_: /etc/locale.gen is really the main config, and those locales must be available via /usr/share/locale/ which they are with the `locales` package |
| 10:49.03 | ratrace | now that only creates availability. each process, and shell, can define locale they're using. in case of ssh, the AcceptEnv default sets the locale given by the client side |
| 10:49.27 | ratrace | "default" locale is set via LANG and LANGUAGE from /etc/default/locale |
| 10:49.47 | julius_ | ok in there thers en_US.UTF-8 for example, but not lines like: LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8", LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 10:50.01 | ratrace | but iirc, that default is not used for ssh shells if AcceptEnv is not set, hence my suggestion to force it via shell rc |
| 10:50.14 | ratrace | julius_: LC_ come automatically from the LANG |
| 10:50.23 | julius_ | ah ok |
| 10:50.40 | ratrace | and obviously can be individually overriden but that's probably never a good idea |
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| 10:50.58 | julius_ | dont need that, just wanted to get rid of the errors |
| 10:51.44 | ratrace | btw, if you change /etc/locale.gen you need to re-run `locale-gen` but both are done if you're using dpkg-reconfigure on the package `locales` |
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| 10:52.07 | julius_ | yes |
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| 11:04.33 | FIlystyn | hello |
| 11:04.52 | FIlystyn | I have a broken debian buster system here. |
| 11:05.06 | FIlystyn | No idea what was done there but the ethernet interface is down |
| 11:05.14 | FIlystyn | fast command to set it up |
| 11:05.24 | FIlystyn | I want it to auto set it self |
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| 11:05.32 | FIlystyn | auto make config files etc |
| 11:06.25 | jelly | FIlystyn, can you take a screenshot of "ip a" output and contents of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:06.43 | FIlystyn | no |
| 11:06.48 | FIlystyn | it's on recovery mode |
| 11:06.53 | FIlystyn | I could cat to term |
| 11:06.55 | FIlystyn | bin |
| 11:07.07 | FIlystyn | but hey no internet so netcat is not working |
| 11:07.17 | FIlystyn | that os is completly broken |
| 11:07.19 | jelly | you don't have a camera phone and a way to upload to eg. imgur? |
| 11:07.23 | FIlystyn | Ill go see the file manualy |
| 11:07.43 | FIlystyn | I have nokis eiyh no camera |
| 11:07.47 | FIlystyn | model for seniors |
| 11:07.55 | FIlystyn | with* |
| 11:08.00 | jelly | nice |
| 11:08.10 | jelly | but not as useful in this case |
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| 11:09.33 | FIlystyn | There is only lo interface |
| 11:09.36 | FIlystyn | system loop |
| 11:09.48 | FIlystyn | well what ever no interfaces at all |
| 11:10.05 | ratrace | in the simplest possible case, check NIC name from dmesg and run dhclient on it, from recovery mode? |
| 11:11.40 | FIlystyn | looks like driver can't loadf |
| 11:12.14 | FIlystyn | nic can't load |
| 11:12.39 | FIlystyn | so I guess I need to reinstall that sys ye? |
| 11:13.28 | jelly | FIlystyn, something like that, yes. Which kernel is running? |
| 11:14.05 | jelly | does the eth need a weird driver that does not come with the running kernel? Can you see if booting an older kernel makes things work again? |
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| 11:15.04 | jelly | verifying the card is visible in "lspci" and looking for issues in dmesg would be a thing to do before any thought of reinstalling |
| 11:15.10 | FIlystyn | I feel like maybe /var or something like that got it name changed |
| 11:15.13 | FIlystyn | let me see |
| 11:15.22 | jelly | because reinstalling does not help if the hardware is gone |
| 11:15.24 | FIlystyn | there was some hard tardism going there |
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| 11:18.16 | Noxx | Hi, why is it not supported to use '.' in useradd? ([a-z_][a-z0-9_-]*[$]) |
| 11:20.25 | cws | because that is not a valid character for a username. |
| 11:20.58 | FIlystyn | got the etehrnet interface ;-) |
| 11:21.02 | FIlystyn | It simply worked lol |
| 11:21.09 | FIlystyn | ok guys now the real problem is |
| 11:21.18 | FIlystyn | apt archive cashe in var has not enugh space |
| 11:21.21 | FIlystyn | how to fix it |
| 11:22.28 | Noxx | in my world it is. lol |
| 11:22.33 | FIlystyn | apt clean fixed |
| 11:22.34 | apt | ACTION nukes fixed's room and says to fixed: Und zie problem is solved |
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| 11:22.41 | FIlystyn | ftw |
| 11:22.55 | cws | Noxx: Then your world is wrong. |
| 11:23.09 | cws | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 11:23.13 | Noxx | ^^ |
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| 11:24.01 | randomGry | FIlystyn, 'ncdu' package helps you see what eats the space |
| 11:24.15 | Noxx | yeah, maybe ur right. its just a cosmetic problem that never exists |
| 11:24.46 | cws | Noxx: There are technical reasons why periods aren't allowed in usernames. chown, for example, recognizes a dot as a separator between user and group. |
| 11:25.09 | cws | So if you have a user named 'bobby.jones', and you try to chown something to him, chown will see that as user bobby and group jones, and fail. |
| 11:25.12 | FIlystyn | randomgry someone never apt clear |
| 11:25.21 | FIlystyn | anyway fuck that it works will have few more questions for later |
| 11:25.34 | FIlystyn | any tool to trash whole var safetly? |
| 11:26.43 | Noxx | cws, yeah i know, but you could use "<smth>" |
| 11:27.19 | cws | Noxx: You could, whatever, but periods are not valid in Linux usernames, so we don't have to do that. :) |
| 11:27.28 | Noxx | :) |
| 11:27.33 | cws | Noxx: And that was a singular example, not the sum total of why periods aren't allowed. |
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| 11:30.21 | Noxx | i would try to change it ^^ |
| 11:31.13 | cws | Then you are welcome to dig through the entirety of the system and find all of the places where a period in a username could introduce ambiguity or unintended behaviors and submit patches to fix it. |
| 11:31.26 | cws | Problem solved. Easy, right? |
| 11:31.29 | Noxx | so that in some cases, if you need to have names that represent smth that has some other characters in it |
| 11:31.39 | cws | Until then... don't user periods in user names. |
| 11:32.24 | Noxx | yea yea, maybe i will try it someday |
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| 11:39.39 | jelly | why is there no /usr/local/share/keyrings to put keys into, just /usr/share/keyrings? |
| 11:40.02 | jelly | reading https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/UseThirdParty#OpenPGP_Key_distribution |
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| 11:41.04 | cws | was wondering about that |
| 11:41.36 | hejux | the wiki was wrong, correct it, count on you! |
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| 11:44.04 | jelly | hejux, how is it wrong? |
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| 11:53.15 | oxek | I just put keyrings in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ instead |
| 11:53.52 | oxek | seems like the right place for it |
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| 11:54.24 | noxx | i keep it @home :P |
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| 11:55.52 | cws | oxek: I think that that is something that people are now told specifically NOT to do. |
| 11:55.59 | cws | I haven't kept up with it. |
| 11:56.28 | oxek | people are told not to append to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
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| 11:57.48 | jelly | oxek, people are also told to avoid giving random keys ability to sign for all the repos |
| 11:58.02 | oxek | jelly: that's why the signed-by field exists |
| 11:58.46 | jelly | if you put them in trusted.gpg.d/ they're useful for all the repos |
| 11:59.10 | oxek | not for the repos that have signed-by=... field |
| 11:59.31 | oxek | so every single apt sources.list repo should have a signed-by field |
| 11:59.45 | jelly | oxek, or just don't put keys there. |
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| 12:00.26 | oxek | then we end up with the same issue of where to put the keys |
| 12:00.51 | jelly | hence my question. You've caught up. |
| 12:00.57 | oxek | apt does not read /usr/share/keyrings |
| 12:01.38 | jelly | /usr/share doesn't seem like the right place to put non-packaged files |
| 12:02.03 | oxek | that's why non-packaged files are not being put there |
| 12:02.17 | oxek | maybe I'm missing something, what's the problem here? |
| 12:02.27 | jelly | oxek, and yet, that's exactly what wiki says to do |
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| 12:02.43 | cws | /usr/local/blah seems a much more appropriate location. |
| 12:03.12 | cws | That is the raison d'etre of /usr/local, after all. |
| 12:03.21 | jelly | oxek, there is no preexisting /usr/local/share/keyrings |
| 12:04.17 | oxek | the wiki is wrong |
| 12:04.31 | oxek | or at the very least outdated |
| 12:04.40 | oxek | e.g. secureapt can use ascii-armored files |
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| 12:05.11 | jelly | it's less outdated and less wrong than saying "put them in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d" |
| 12:06.24 | oxek | "[...] forces the user to add the key to the global SecureApt trust anchor in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d, which would cause the system to accept signatures from the third-party keyholder on all other repositories configured on the system that don't have a signed-by option (including the official Debian repositories)." |
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| 12:06.36 | oxek | easy solution, use signed-by... |
| 12:08.00 | jelly | I'll just mkdir /usr/local/share/keyrings |
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| 12:09.17 | cws | [signed-by] doesn't stop the system from trusting that key for OTHER repos. |
| 12:09.59 | oxek | that's why you use [signed-by=...] for *every* repo |
| 12:10.08 | oxek | which is good practice anyway |
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| 12:10.15 | jelly | oxek, that makes default repo settings wrong. |
| 12:10.19 | cws | ^ |
| 12:10.25 | jelly | oxek, the debian.org ones. |
| 12:10.52 | oxek | they certainly are not best practice, that's true |
| 12:10.53 | jelly | and it means you'd have to edit those manually when debian.org keys roll over |
| 12:11.05 | jelly | so I don't think that's a good plan |
| 12:12.04 | oxek | when debian keys roll over, the default debian entries are overwritten in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/, so you don't need to modify your sources.list |
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| 12:12.13 | oxek | maybe all this will be fixed once debian starts using DEB822 |
| 12:12.16 | jelly | oxek, they're NOT overwritten |
| 12:12.36 | jelly | oxek, new keys for debian.org get new files |
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| 12:13.50 | jelly | you got debian-archive-jessie-* then debian-archive-stretch-* then debian-archive-buster-* and so on |
| 12:13.58 | oxek | are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure the latest 10.9 update added bullseye keys and removed jessie keys |
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| 12:14.17 | jelly | oxek, absolutely |
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| 12:14.58 | jelly | oxek, they are in different files with different paths, if you used [signed-by=...] it would break at some point |
| 12:15.35 | oxek | we're talking about different things. Each release gets its own debian-archive-buster-*, but you'd need to modify your sources.list anyway already if you're upgrading |
| 12:15.59 | jelly | oxek, and release notes say nothing about signed-by |
| 12:16.34 | oxek | release notes rarely cover user-made modifications to these files |
| 12:16.43 | jelly | so it's not "best practice" or even common no use it for debian mirrors right now |
| 12:17.03 | jelly | or good practice |
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| 12:18.00 | oxek | someone should let *every single 3rd party repo* know that they are using /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ incorrectly then |
| 12:18.20 | jelly | yes |
| 12:18.29 | oxek | de facto vs de jure |
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| 12:19.07 | jelly | I've just added |
| 12:19.09 | jelly | deb [signed-by=/usr/local/share/keyrings/hpePublicKey2048_key1.pub] http://downloads.linux.hpe.com/SDR/repo/mcp stretch/current non-free |
| 12:19.20 | jelly | instead of what HPE says to do |
| 12:19.44 | jelly | (and you're right, armored .pub downloaded as-is works just fine with stretch apt) |
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| 12:38.22 | oxek | ok, I'll use /usr/local/share/keyrings/ from now on instead of /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ |
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| 13:34.00 | zignig | it's only 21:22::GMT+8 is DEBIAN always this quiet? |
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| 13:34.39 | avu | zignig: depends, today is a holiday in much of the western world, those tend to be a bit more quiet than other days |
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| 13:35.13 | fling | https://packages.debian.org/buster/linux-config-4.19 |
| 13:35.17 | fling | where to find 4.4 config? ^ |
| 13:35.32 | avu | fling: 4.4 is not in buster I would have thought |
| 13:35.38 | zignig | avu: indeed , back to work tomorrow... this weekend has been filled with driving around visiting the FAM. good , but tiring... |
| 13:36.48 | zignig | avu: I hope your pagen harvest festival break has been fun. |
| 13:36.59 | culix | my son, 9 years, is learning debian installation at this moment and he is sad that there is no access to cowsay during installation. so this could be an improvement :) |
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| 13:37.17 | avu | zignig: if you want to do more chatting, #debian-offtopic is one place to do that, if you have a question abour Debian, feel free to ask here! |
| 13:38.11 | fling | avu: can't find it anywhere |
| 13:38.19 | avu | culix: could be an opportunity to teach him about filing wishlist bugs (and most likeley also about rejection) :) |
| 13:38.20 | fling | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=linux-config |
| 13:38.32 | zignig | avu: indeed, been using debain for at least a decade... have written preseed installer three times, on my forth for a big multinational atm... |
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| 13:39.39 | avu | fling: well, even oldstable came with kernel newer than 4.4? What are you trying to accomplish here? |
| 13:39.41 | NetTerminalGene | avu: are you debian's spokesman? |
| 13:39.57 | avu | NetTerminalGene: huh? |
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| 13:43.05 | culix | avu: good idea, but could be underwhelming for him if he gets the rejection. like to start with feelings of success :) |
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| 13:44.08 | avu | culix: true, chances the wishlist would be rejected are maybe a bit too high here and maybe the first bug report should be more encouraging ;) |
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| 13:45.03 | avu | culix: but hey, at least `apt moo` should work in the installer, right? :) |
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| 13:50.24 | culix | avu: no, during installation 'apt' is located in /target and is not useable |
| 13:51.25 | oxek | culix: you can chroot into /target |
| 13:52.00 | culix | oxek: yes that works :) |
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| 13:53.37 | culix | so he has his cow now, thx all. There is always a solution in debian |
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| 13:57.25 | contrapunctus | I'm trying to backport fdupes from Testing. When I run `sudo mk-build-deps --install --remove`, I get this - http://paste.debian.net/1192346/ What should I do? ð¤ |
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| 14:12.49 | fling | affix: I'm trying to download 4.4 kernel config |
| 14:12.57 | fling | avu ^ |
| 14:13.14 | cws | The question was "for what purpose?" |
| 14:13.32 | fling | for building my own old kernel |
| 14:13.40 | oxek | fling: you won't find it, there's no 4.4 in buster |
| 14:13.42 | fling | looking for a regression in alsa |
| 14:13.57 | fling | I don't care if it is in buster or not, any would fit |
| 14:14.17 | oxek | in that case, kernel.org |
| 14:14.29 | fling | kernel.org does not have debian kernel configs |
| 14:14.38 | oxek | neither does debian, for 4.4 |
| 14:14.52 | fling | how can this be? |
| 14:14.57 | fling | debian completely skipped 4.4? |
| 14:15.10 | oxek | very likely |
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| 14:15.32 | fling | Then I want the closest version |
| 14:15.39 | oxek | that would be 4.19 |
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| 14:16.04 | fling | which one was used prior 4.19? 3.X ? |
| 14:16.26 | oxek | 3.16 in jessie |
| 14:16.47 | fling | I should go for 3.16 then |
| 14:17.00 | oxek | maybe 4.9 in stretch |
| 14:17.22 | fling | where do you see these? got a link? |
| 14:17.27 | fling | I'm really bad with www :D |
| 14:17.31 | oxek | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-amd64&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 14:17.39 | oxek | ,kernels |
| 14:17.40 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-5-686 (5.10.26-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-5-686 (5.10.24-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (5.10.19-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-16-686-pae (4.19.181-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.16-686 (4.19.181-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 14:17.41 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 14:17.44 | fling | ah it is called linux-image |
| 14:18.00 | fling | thanks |
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| 14:18.46 | fling | it all lined up now |
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| 14:30.32 | fling | oxek: still can't find the config https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/linux-image-amd64/download |
| 14:30.36 | fling | trying 4.9 |
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| 14:55.08 | culix | fling: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/linux-base |
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| 14:56.33 | culix | sry: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/linux-image-4.9.0-13-amd64/download |
| 14:59.26 | contrapunctus | I'm trying to backport fdupes from Testing. When I run `sudo mk-build-deps --install --remove`, I get this - http://paste.debian.net/1192346/ What should I do? ð¤ |
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| 15:11.12 | shtrb | ,v fdupes |
| 15:11.13 | judd | Package: fdupes on amd64 -- jessie: 1.51-1; stretch: 1:1.6.1-1+b1; buster: 1:1.6.1-2; bullseye: 1:2.1.2-1; sid: 1:2.1.2-1 |
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| 15:16.41 | jelly | contrapunctus, install debhelper from buster-backports |
| 15:16.42 | jelly | contrapunctus, you'll have to enable buster-backports in the first place. That might be enough to get build-deps metapackage installed |
| 15:16.43 | jelly | ,checkbackport fdupes |
| 15:16.44 | judd | Backporting package fdupes in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13). |
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| 15:30.00 | jelly | !irc logs |
| 15:30.00 | dpkg | [irclog] #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ |
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| 15:39.44 | shtrb | jelly, irclog is only for last day does not include today |
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| 15:58.20 | ratrace | shtrb: it does, but that reality arrives tomorrow |
| 15:59.31 | shtrb | but Is there a log for the last 24 hours ? |
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| 16:08.56 | contrapunctus | jelly: thanks a lot, that did it! ^^ how did you know about that? |
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| 16:09.44 | shtrb | he the admin |
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| 16:30.43 | jelly | contrapunctus, error output, and also |
| 16:30.44 | jelly | !ssb |
| 16:30.44 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 16:31.34 | jelly | (even if the recipe uses apt build-dep directly instead of the better mk-build-deps option) |
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| 16:51.33 | no_gravity | I did "apt-get install openbox" on a Debian 10 machine (That had not desktop before) and now I have a cursor on a blank screen. Right click brings up a menu. But whatever application I chose from the menu - nothing happens. |
| 16:51.38 | no_gravity | Any ideas how to go about this? |
| 16:53.11 | no_gravity | Oh, after a reboot, now I can start the terminal from the menu. |
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| 17:19.16 | jelly | ,v ugrep |
| 17:19.17 | judd | Package: ugrep on amd64 -- bullseye: 3.1.7+dfsg-1; sid: 3.1.10+dfsg-1 |
| 17:19.28 | jelly | ,i ugrep --release bullseye |
| 17:19.30 | judd | Package ugrep (utils, optional) in bullseye/amd64: faster grep with an interactive query UI. Version: 3.1.7+dfsg-1; Size: 369.8k; Installed: 1180k; Homepage: https://github.com/Genivia/ugrep/wiki |
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| 17:26.05 | coc0nut | trying to install a netgear a6210 usb3.0 wlan.. shouldnt it show up as its own device in ifconfig? thinking of using it in kali vm on debian host. im currently using the integrated wlan in the laptop... |
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| 17:27.42 | shtrb | coc0nut, please paste dmesg output and lsusb after plugging it into the pc , use paste.debian.net for that |
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| 17:31.25 | coc0nut | Bus 003 Device 002: ID ****:***** NetGear, Inc. (I censored the id) but the lsusb shows its connected then |
| 17:31.32 | coc0nut | should I grep something in the dmesg? |
| 17:32.05 | jelly | those ****:**** are important you know |
| 17:32.23 | shtrb | coc0nut, sudo dmesg | tail -n 50 and on paste.debian.net and not here |
| 17:32.38 | jelly | why would you censor the most useful piece of info |
| 17:33.13 | shtrb | You can and should censor serial numbers and service keys from dmesg but not the product id and vendor id |
| 17:34.02 | jhutchins | ifconfig -a |
| 17:34.04 | coc0nut | Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0846:9053 NetGear, Inc. |
| 17:34.40 | jelly | jhutchins, they just said it did not show up in ifconfig |
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| 17:35.20 | jhutchins | jelly: That's why -a |
| 17:35.57 | coc0nut | doesnt seem dmesg shows anything about the netgear device |
| 17:36.02 | jelly | jhutchins, has that EVER made a difference on linux |
| 17:36.07 | coc0nut | it shows my internal wlan device |
| 17:36.10 | jelly | /lib/modules/4.19.0-9-amd64/modules.alias:alias usb:v0846p9053d*dc*dsc*dp*ic*isc*ip*in* mt76x2u |
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| 17:37.36 | shtrb | coc0nut, would you mind giving us the output ? |
| 17:37.36 | jelly | coc0nut, which kernel is running right now? Did you pastebin the dmesg, I was away for a bit |
| 17:37.42 | jhutchins | jelly: Yes. |
| 17:38.09 | jelly | jhutchins, after 2000? |
| 17:38.53 | jelly | coc0nut, that hardware might need some firmware. |
| 17:39.15 | shtrb | Which is the reason why I asked him to paste dmesg output after pluggining the device in |
| 17:39.16 | jelly | at least that's what "modinfo mt76x2u" says on my buster |
| 17:39.28 | coc0nut | https://paste.debian.net/1192415/ |
| 17:39.42 | coc0nut | followed some instructions from git to install the driver |
| 17:39.44 | jelly | judd, file mediatek/mt7662u_rom_patch.bin |
| 17:39.49 | judd | Search for mediatek/mt7662u_rom_patch.bin in buster/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/mediatek/mt7662u_rom_patch.bin |
| 17:40.00 | jelly | coc0nut, the driver is already present in Debian 10 |
| 17:40.09 | jelly | install that package ^ |
| 17:40.14 | jelly | firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 17:40.30 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 17:40.30 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 17:40.34 | coc0nut | niice :) |
| 17:40.53 | coc0nut | and it wont conflict my iwlwifi firmware package ? |
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| 17:40.59 | coc0nut | for the internal wlan |
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| 17:41.10 | shtrb | it should not |
| 17:41.32 | coc0nut | always adding contrib non-free after install :) |
| 17:41.39 | jelly | very few packages conflict with each other |
| 17:42.00 | coc0nut | do i have to do a reboot after the firmware-misc-nonfree install? |
| 17:42.16 | jelly | either reboot, or unload and reload the kernel module |
| 17:42.33 | jelly | modprobe command is your friend |
| 17:43.18 | jelly | but all of this might be needless if you plan to use usb passthrough to give the device to a VM |
| 17:43.38 | jelly | because in that case the host driver is irrelevant and won't be used |
| 17:44.33 | coc0nut | true, was thinking the host might needed it for it to show in the vm |
| 17:45.02 | shtrb | no, it just to recognize it |
| 17:45.02 | jelly | it depends on how you give the VM access to networking or to the caed |
| 17:45.11 | jelly | card* |
| 17:45.30 | shtrb | if you however plan to share it , you would need the drivers on both (attach to host card) |
| 17:45.47 | jelly | can that even be done |
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| 17:47.48 | coc0nut | 4.19.0-16-amd64 is the kernel btw... |
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| 17:48.22 | edlou | my debian friends i come to you with an odd and troubling network problem that i can not seem to fix |
| 17:48.59 | edlou | i am in shell now, and i can ping the router and google. however i can't resolve debian repo, and i cant serve dns from this machine |
| 17:49.32 | edlou | ive been trying dig/nslookup and it works through the router, but not when i try recursively through the debian machine. i am running adguard home on this machine, tried reinstalling it and reconfiguring it but cant seem to get it to work |
| 17:50.11 | jelly | edlou, what does your /etc/resolv.conf contain right now |
| 17:51.20 | edlou | it has nameserver 192.168.10.5 (which is the router ip) |
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| 17:55.15 | edlou | jelly: should i try 127.0.0.1 as the nameserver? |
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| 17:56.33 | karlpinc | edlou: I'd start with something like "dig www.google.com @8.8.8.8" and see if your network allows your workstation to do dns lookups from the net. |
| 17:57.02 | edlou | karlpinc: right now it is not, it seems to hang with that command |
| 17:57.06 | edlou | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 17:57.16 | edlou | but i can ping 8.8.8.8 :( |
| 17:57.36 | greycat | Firewall blocking you, almost certainly. Workplace? |
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| 17:58.01 | edlou | greycat: home network, but i put a floating rule to allow TCP+UDP of dns port 53 from the lan interface where machine is |
| 17:58.14 | greycat | Sounds like you messed it up. |
| 18:00.32 | edlou | im trying to figure it out :( |
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| 18:03.59 | edlou | wouldnt ping also not work if the router was implicit deny? |
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| 18:07.09 | greycat | ping uses ICMP. if you only blocked UDP and TCP, but not ICMP, then ping will work, but other things may fail. |
| 18:08.28 | edlou | i didnt block anything though :( was assuming it was all blocked |
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| 18:09.01 | greycat | Then why did you say the router was "implicit deny"? |
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| 18:14.29 | no_gravity | What is a simple text editor that can be used on Debian 10 with OpenBox? |
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| 18:17.17 | no_gravity | Scite seems to work :) |
| 18:17.20 | edlou | greycat: i thought if everything was blocked by default, that ping would have been blocked |
| 18:17.37 | edlou | i never made any rules to allow ping/icmp or anything, just been trying to make the dns(53) rule |
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| 18:20.19 | greycat | that's the second time you've used a conditional to describe your setup... I am assuming you don't *know* what your setup is. good luck. |
| 18:21.25 | imMute | noettore_afk: nano. |
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| 18:28.22 | edlou | greycat: yes, that is why im asking for help |
| 18:28.35 | edlou | i think if i understood this better i wouldn't need the humiliation of someone expecting me to know whats wrong :D |
| 18:28.43 | edlou | which is probably the most difficult part of asking for help |
| 18:28.54 | jhutchins | edlou: You should have either your router or your ISPs DNS in resolv.conf. |
| 18:29.17 | edlou | jhutchins: i have put the routers DNS in resolv.conf , and the router is pointing to external dns |
| 18:30.42 | edlou | right now from host2 on the lan i can dig google.com @adguarddnsip , but from host1(adguarddns) i cant dig google.com @8.8.8.8 |
| 18:30.55 | edlou | im genuinely confused :\ |
| 18:31.02 | jhutchins | A standard Debian install does not block any ports. In Linux it doesn't need to, your system only listens to a port if you've enabled something to listen. |
| 18:31.42 | edlou | for this: how can i resolve a host from the debian machine from another host, but i cant resolve it from the actual debian machine? i cant wrap my head on it |
| 18:31.45 | jhutchins | edlou: You should be able to list any rules that third-party software has installed with iptables -L |
| 18:31.59 | greycat | Fix. The. Stupid. Firewall. |
| 18:32.22 | edlou | greycat: the firewall is letting me use the machine as the dns from another computer, but not the computer itself, im trying |
| 18:32.32 | greycat | If you weren't the person who set up the router, or its firewall, consider nuking it and starting over. Or buying a different router. |
| 18:32.35 | edlou | i made a floating rule to allow all on lan interface to port 53 and port 853 |
| 18:32.49 | jhutchins | edlou: Remove it. |
| 18:33.01 | jhutchins | edlou: It's obviously not doing what you expect it to. |
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| 18:33.20 | edlou | the rule is allowing host2 to use host1 as a dns server, i thought it was a step closer |
| 18:33.33 | edlou | when i remove it, i cant dig google.com @adguarddnsip from the other computer on lan |
| 18:35.20 | edlou | well, nevermind now it still does, man i dont know anymore im sorry |
| 18:35.27 | greycat | You seem extremely confused, so once again, good luck. |
| 18:35.34 | edlou | trying my best, scoured for any and every github/guide wiki i could |
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| 18:35.42 | edlou | greycat: yes indeed |
| 18:35.57 | rowbee | hi, how can i obtain emacs' debugging symbols? there doesn't seem to be a package named emacs-dbgsym or emacs-dbg. |
| 18:36.08 | sney | !dbgsym |
| 18:36.08 | dpkg | Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-debug/ buster-debug main" to your sources.list. See also https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace |
| 18:36.55 | edlou | greycat: ill gladly try anything you have in mind, if you have any other ideas |
| 18:36.59 | rowbee | oh, thank you |
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| 18:37.44 | greycat | Remove all the nonstandard chanegs you made. Begin with a simple, known state -- multiple computers on an ethernet LAN (or a wireless LAN, or both) going through a single router. The router acts as DHCP server. |
| 18:37.57 | greycat | No firewalls. The router will probably do NAT. |
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| 18:40.38 | jelly | edlou, what is "adguarddns"? The Debian machine itself? |
| 18:40.56 | edlou | jelly: yes indeed |
| 18:41.13 | jelly | edlou, pastebin the output of "ip a" and "iptables-save" on the debian system |
| 18:41.18 | edlou | so on debian machine i cant dig google.com @8.8.8.8 but on another machine i can dig google.com @debianip |
| 18:41.38 | edlou | jelly: i dont have iptables, i cant seem to get connectivity to debian repo either, its problem im facing |
| 18:41.51 | edlou | i've been trying to get net-tools and realized something is broken on my end |
| 18:41.57 | jelly | edlou, how are you setting up local firewall rules then, nft? |
| 18:42.27 | edlou | i did not setup any, was just using the adguard home before, but never manually set anything up |
| 18:42.47 | jelly | where is this done: <edlou> i made a floating rule to allow all on lan interface to port 53 and port 853 |
| 18:42.51 | edlou | on router |
| 18:42.55 | jelly | okay |
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| 18:44.26 | jelly | edlou, pastebin the output of "dig +trace www.debian.org @192.168.10.5 |
| 18:44.37 | jelly | on the debian system |
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| 18:48.49 | edlou | jelly: https://dpaste.com/9ATFBRH22 |
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| 18:53.48 | jelly | edlou, and it ends there? |
| 18:53.55 | alexrelis[m] | What's the best way to copy a journalctl log to send to others? By default it uses the `less` command and when I copy it sometimes it doesn't copy longer lines and the scrollback on my terminal isn't infinite so it doesn't get anything. |
| 18:54.28 | jelly | alexrelis[m], redirect the output to a file. |
| 18:57.17 | jelly | edlou, what about "dig . NS @192.168.10.5", does that give about a dozen answers? |
| 18:57.21 | alexrelis[m] | jelly: Thanks |
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| 18:59.34 | edlou | jelly: no it is showing the root servers: https://dpaste.com/GS62MSMQK |
| 19:00.01 | imMute | edlou: you mean "yes, it shows about a dozen answers". |
| 19:00.08 | imMute | edlou: see the nice big "ANSWER SECTION" ? |
| 19:00.10 | jelly | edlou, that means "yes", because you did ask it for the root servers. |
| 19:01.01 | jelly | wonder why +trace failed, then |
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| 19:01.58 | ratrace | I what? |
| 19:02.19 | jelly | in any case, I agree with grey'cat in getting rid of all the firewall rules first, then verifying queries to outside servers work |
| 19:02.39 | jelly | right now they don't seem to, but the reason is unclear |
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| 19:05.24 | edlou | jelly: i disabled the rules, but i cant resolve addresses :( |
| 19:05.43 | edlou | hrmm wait sec |
| 19:07.01 | edlou | jelly: so i can "dig debian.map.fastlydns.net @192.168.10.5" and it resolves the ip of 151.101.6.132 , but i cant actually download when sudo apt-get install net-tools is done |
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| 19:07.32 | alexrelis[m] | Any advice on how to share a really long log file? Debian pastezone and pastebin won't allow me to upload. |
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| 19:08.18 | jelly | a file sharing service, like mega.co.nz, perhaps |
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| 19:08.43 | jelly | alexrelis[m], what's the size? |
| 19:08.51 | jelly | 10MB? 100MB? 100GB? |
| 19:09.02 | alexrelis[m] | jelly: 1.1 MB |
| 19:09.10 | jelly | that's not a whole lot |
| 19:09.12 | alexrelis[m] | Not large, but large for text. |
| 19:09.22 | alexrelis[m] | I will use SwissTransfer |
| 19:09.31 | greycat | I would also like to point out that there are a couple people on debian-user who seem to be having troubles with the DNS services of their home routers after the 10.9 upgrade. Details unknown at this point. |
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| 19:13.16 | jelly | edlou, do you have strace installed perhaps? |
| 19:13.26 | edlou | jelly: i don't. its really a bare bones net install |
| 19:13.32 | edlou | i didnt install much last time either because i had gotten things working |
| 19:13.48 | edlou | im going to try and reinstall the router, and see if i can get things working :( |
| 19:13.51 | edlou | thank you for trying to help me |
| 19:14.59 | jelly | edlou, oh well. you could work around the issue temporarily by adding "151.101.38.132 deb.debian.org" to /etc/hosts, then grab all the useful tools |
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| 19:16.26 | jelly | edlou, just to verify, does "getent hosts deb.debian.org" show some output? |
| 19:16.53 | jelly | also "getent ahosts deb.debian.org" |
| 19:22.43 | jhutchins | Interesting, hosts gets me a v6 address, ahosts gets me v4. |
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| 19:26.29 | dob1 | do you have any hints for upgrading a release from 9 to 10 via ssh ? the ssh connection will no be closed during the upgrade right? |
| 19:26.35 | jelly | that's normal with a recent glibc and a default /etc/gai.conf |
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| 19:26.47 | jelly | (recent meaning ~ debian 6 or 7) |
| 19:30.12 | imMute | dob1: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html see 4.1.4 |
| 19:31.18 | jelly | dob1, it's not closed under normal circumstances, but sometimes shit happens |
| 19:31.20 | dob1 | imMute, well unfortunately not simple |
| 19:32.01 | jelly | prepare and have remote console access if at all possible. Also, run the process inside screen or tmux |
| 19:32.27 | edlou | jelly: ty for helping, i think something was severly borking the router, i couldnt upgrade the router and s tarted to fiddle, i downgraded to a deprecated version and then upgraded the stable version and debian instantly started working |
| 19:32.44 | edlou | im happy its working but honestly have no idea what was broken, it was a fresh install oin the router too |
| 19:33.05 | dob1 | jelly, if something fails someone has to run a live cd there, configure ssh to let me access, and I have to mount the partition, that's the much I can do |
| 19:33.10 | dob1 | *the max |
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| 19:35.56 | jelly | dob1, that's horrible |
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| 19:38.10 | dob1 | jelly, it's not the same of a remote console? I don't know how to setup a remote console tbh |
| 19:42.54 | jhutchins | dob1: Remote consoles are bios level connection often found in datacenter grade machines, sometimes in VMs. |
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| 19:44.31 | dob1 | jhutchins, this is just a pc that runs as a server in an office |
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| 19:45.41 | dob1 | if it was a vm it was simpler to recover from a failed upgrade |
| 19:45.48 | dob1 | *it will be |
| 19:46.04 | dob1 | or it would be (?) sorry for my english |
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| 19:55.07 | jelly | dob1, then you don't have it (you might have intel ME/AMT which allows for remote serial and maybe remote console, possibly only from the same network segment, but I've never used those) |
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| 19:57.35 | dob1 | jelly, there are KVMoIP switch but never seen / used them |
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| 20:02.18 | jelly | those are also nice, and power strips with IP too |
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| 20:26.15 | jhutchins | jelly: Yeah, but those are limited to turning things on and off. |
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| 20:28.56 | jhutchins | The remote consoles I've used have been basic multi-menu systems like a bios, and fairly limited in what you can do. I imagine that it would be hard to pass boot options, by the time you hit grub you're well past the control of the RC. |
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| 20:31.26 | jhutchins | dob1: Recovery shouldn't be too hard if you can get the live CD booted. |
| 20:31.59 | jhutchins | dob1: Just chroot to the installation and do standard apt recovery steps. |
| 20:32.27 | karlpinc | Serial consoles are nice, but must be connected to some other device that can be reached. There's some serial<-> usb devices that connect multiple serial ports to a single USB port. But it all quickly becomes actual work to setup and maintain. |
| 20:32.47 | karlpinc | (And does not help with BIOS/etc.) |
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| 21:02.22 | tete_ | hi, i am having some wierd behaviour on my windows gaming partition/drive and i thought i'll let smartmontools run. now there are some errors but i dont understand that. anyone familiar with that? e.g. i have 4 errors but they are from hour 6589. and i have some things marked in gsmartcontrol in the attributes tab but no idea how to interpret this |
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| 21:10.10 | dannylee | 8-) |
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| 21:11.40 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 21:12.37 | johnfg | Is there a way to gracefully remove *all* of the texlive pkgs at once that I have installed? When I did an 'apt remove texlive', seemed to only be removing that one. |
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| 21:14.04 | oxek | johnfg: you could try `apt autoremove` or `apt autopurge`, but be careful with it |
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| 21:14.40 | oxek | tete_: backup, and get a new drive |
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| 21:15.36 | johnfg | Nevermind, I figured it out (or apt did). |
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| 21:25.10 | johnfg | Not all's quite gone for some reason. I've got a number of the pkgs that show up with [residual-config]. How do I get rid of all of that? |
| 21:28.15 | greycat | purge them |
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| 21:29.04 | johnfg | greycat: just a 'apt purge', or name all the culprits? |
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| 21:49.11 | Kevin | how can I configure systemd to automatically repair filesystem errors and continue boot on failure instead of starting a shell or asking questions? |
| 21:49.25 | Kevin | previously did this with changes to rcS config and several scripts |
| 21:49.34 | cws | Not generally a good idea to automate potentially damaging processes. |
| 21:50.43 | dvs | won't autoboot Windows |
| 21:51.48 | Kevin | cws: it needs to be automated one way or the other, the choice is either not fix "interactive" fsck failures or fix them with the suggested action |
| 21:52.07 | Kevin | this is an embedded system that people will never touch except by swapping parts |
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| 21:53.16 | Kevin | ..which reminds me of a second part of this - the fsck error output has to be stored somewhere for use after boot is complete. kind of a seperate question. |
| 21:54.12 | karlpinc | Kevin: Try "man system-fsck". You could auto-repair.... |
| 21:54.30 | karlpinc | oops man systemd-fsck |
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| 21:58.06 | Kevin | it looks like a combination of repair=yes and nofail might work, although the documentation is unclear as to whether that results in a mounted filesystem on fsck failure or just continuing boot |
| 21:58.33 | karlpinc | Kevin: man journald.conf "Storage=" talks about storing boot logs. You can also setup a centralized syslog server, and send logs to it via syslog from multple systems. |
| 21:59.24 | HelloShitty | Hello. Does `rsync` uses extra disk space when copying a folder from one locaiton to another? Or anything like that, other than the space the original folder uses? |
| 22:00.24 | karlpinc | Kevin: I think, but don't really know, that if you're using systemd and the fsck repairs things then you boot. If the fs can't be fixed, you don't boot. If you wanted to fuss with things you could probably turn off systemd's auto-fsck and write your own. But maybe not. |
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| 22:01.40 | karlpinc | Kevin: You may have more control using a sysv boot. (But might be swimming against the tide.) |
| 22:01.59 | Kevin | a repair action on / doing a reboot is of course ok since stuff in memory is already running from it. rebooting when not making changes or halting boot ever would obviously be bad |
| 22:02.49 | Kevin | that's what I did for the last version on jessie and everything was easy in the Unix Way. *grumbles* |
| 22:02.59 | karlpinc | Kevin: I suppose it depends on the failure modes you want. Running a system with a broken fs leads to a cliff of further data loss. |
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| 22:04.10 | Kevin | that's fine (ish). any level of working is better than not because 1: the filesystem check error gets reported OTA, 2: it might keep working |
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| 22:05.07 | Kevin | the data itself is of little value aside from keeping itself working |
| 22:05.13 | Kevin | *keeping the device working |
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| 22:15.33 | jhutchins | Kevin: One of the reasons for not automating repair is so that the admin is aware of what might have been affecte, and might be alerted to problems with the filesystem or hardware. |
| 22:16.38 | Kevin | fsck repair still gives a nonzero return code |
| 22:17.10 | Kevin | open question as to whether systemd journal sends it somewhere |
| 22:18.09 | Kevin | the previous shell version just binary-ored all fsck returns with the previous value on disk |
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| 22:54.57 | tete_ | oxek, makes no sense as long as i dont know if its really the drive. same would apply to cpu/mainboard etc. - i first need to figure out whats broken before i throw away something and just buy it new. even worse its a 1tb ssd, it was quiet pricy. and it has warranty, but i must be sure its the drive. |
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| 23:12.09 | thatpythonguy | I'm running Debian testing and coming across a dependency problem, and google isn't helping. I want to install clangd, but i get 'libc6-dev : Breaks: libgcc-9-dev (< 9.3.0-5~) but 9.2.1-22 is to be installed'. I've already ran 'sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade'. 'sudo apt dist-upgrade' gives me the same error |
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| 23:13.03 | thatpythonguy | /var/log/apt/term.log doesn't show any broken packages, nothing is being apt-pinned, and sources.list is only using standard sources, and sources.list.d is empty |
| 23:13.59 | thatpythonguy | `sudo apt --fix-broken install` does nothing |
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| 23:30.50 | sney | thatpythonguy: this is a known issue with some buster->bullseye upgrades that was supposedly resolved a few months ago. if you do 'apt full-upgrade libgcc1-' it should resolve itself. |
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| 23:31.46 | thatpythonguy | sney: thanks, I'll give it a shot. Any way I could have figured that out on my own? |
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| 23:33.02 | sney | thatpythonguy: if you had searched bugs.debian.org, sure |
| 23:33.25 | sney | #964477 |
| 23:33.27 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/964477 in libgcc1 (closed, help): «Implicit conflict between libgcc1 and libgcc-s1 prevents upgrade»; severity: serious; opened: 2020-07-07; last modified: 2021-04-02. |
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| 23:36.14 | thatpythonguy | sney: thanks, i'll be sure to check there next time |
| 23:36.43 | sney | np |
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