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| 01:11.33 | henko | oxek: thanks.. update works now. thanks |
| 01:12.09 | oxek | henko: no problem, and be more careful next time when editing sources.list, making sure you read instructions properly :) |
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| 01:14.54 | henko | oxek: i will. |
| 01:15.01 | oxek | on a slightly related note, it's a pity that `apt edit-sources` does not work like `visudo` or `vipw`. It still allows wrongly formatted sources.list from being written out. |
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| 01:18.27 | henko | ohh I always edited it directly... in future I will do it with edit-sources... maybe future updates will behave like this? :) |
| 01:20.37 | oxek | maybe. Someone would have to work on it though. |
| 01:23.20 | henko | also I have one question. Im planning to setup bind9 as an authorative nameserver (not publicly recursive) and would install it via backports. But I've seen that the version numbers of projects doesn't have to align with the version numbers of debian packages. In BINDs case they align but debian adds garbeled mess after the bind version number like here: bind9 (1:9.11.5.P4+dfsg-5.1+deb10u3 |
| 01:23.26 | henko | https://packages.debian.org/buster/bind9 |
| 01:23.42 | henko | what does P4 and dfsg mean? |
| 01:24.27 | henko | I've looked seemingly everywhere in the debian wiki and haven't found the meaning behind it |
| 01:26.32 | henko | If I were to also use the newest packages with new featureset and not only bugfixes - is it safe to install debian buster with the bind package from testing? or would this be too risky? broken updates etc.? |
| 01:27.00 | oxek | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#version |
| 01:27.50 | oxek | also `man deb-version` |
| 01:28.49 | henko | s/bugfixes/security fixes/ |
| 01:28.57 | themill | henko: "9.11.5.P4" is what upstream calls it -- patchlevel 4 -- that's nothing to do with Debian. |
| 01:29.48 | oxek | henko: also ask yourself why you want the newer package from testing. If you can't find a good reason for it, then don't do it. |
| 01:29.52 | themill | +dfsg means that non-free crap was ripped out of the source package before uploading it to Debian. From memory, bind upstream includes non-free copies of standards that Debian can't redistribute. |
| 01:31.17 | henko | themill: where would I find that information when not asking here in IRC? |
| 01:31.54 | henko | is +dfsg used also in other packages? or is this a package by package convetion by the debian package maintainer? |
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| 01:32.10 | oxek | henko: probably in /usr/share/doc/bind9/ |
| 01:32.28 | oxek | the README files have various info |
| 01:33.17 | oxek | the +dfsg is used only in packages where debian patches had to be applied to them to make them compliant with Debian Free Software Guidelines |
| 01:33.43 | oxek | !dfsg |
| 01:33.43 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 01:33.50 | henko | that explains the acronym ^^ |
| 01:34.45 | henko | okay thanks for the input... I know have enough read up to do heh |
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| 01:35.58 | oxek | henko: https://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 01:36.03 | oxek | lots of reading if you want :) |
| 01:37.25 | themill | henko: the links to the definition of the version field tell you that the P4 is an upstream thing; common practices for versions are documented there in policy and in devref §6.7.8 |
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| 01:40.02 | oxek | I'll release a software that I'll version upstream as "jessie+dfsg-1.1+deb10u1". Good luck to whoever wants to package (and version it) in debian :p |
| 01:40.31 | oxek | gotta love intentionally difficult upstream |
| 01:40.33 | sney | there was a bug due to a too-long version string not long ago |
| 01:40.34 | henko | oxek: :b |
| 01:41.04 | oxek | sney: oh, like that software that just increments the number of digits of pi? |
| 01:41.31 | oxek | version 3.14159265358979323846 |
| 01:41.48 | sney | #940708 |
| 01:41.49 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/940708 in src:acorn (closed): «acorn: please revisit your versioning strategy before making a sid upload»; severity: important; opened: 2019-09-19; last modified: 2020-04-27. |
| 01:42.30 | sney | n+1 digits of pi might have been an improvement lol |
| 01:42.44 | oxek | was 6.2.1+ds+~0.4.0+~4.0.0+really4.0.0+~1.0.0+~5.0.1+ds+~1.7.0+ds+~0.1.1+~0.3.1+~0.2.0+~0.1.0+~0.3.0+~0.3.0-5 real???? |
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| 01:48.23 | sney | like, clearly they had a problem to solve, but I can't imagine seeing that mess in d/changelog and thinking "ah yes, this is a good upload, time for dput" |
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| 01:50.14 | oxek | indeed :D |
| 01:50.40 | themill | There are a few language ecosystems that are pushing the bounds of what it means to distribute software (node and golang in particular) |
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| 03:44.35 | cpjulia | hello, can anyone help me with a kurento issue? |
| 03:44.55 | cpjulia | I know it's more an uubuntu topic, but any thoughts would be appreciated |
| 03:52.23 | rustyshackleford | refurbished dell's are so cheap |
| 03:54.25 | rustyshackleford | use case is a Plex server |
| 03:54.41 | rustyshackleford | won't be connected to a monitor or keyboard |
| 03:54.55 | rustyshackleford | do I get a rack mount server or a tower? |
| 03:55.12 | sney | refurb office pcs are great for a low budget server, indeed |
| 03:55.58 | rustyshackleford | https://www.newegg.com/dell-poweredge-r710/p/2NS-0008-0EZ76 |
| 03:56.42 | rustyshackleford | are dell poweredge servers a good platform to build on? |
| 03:57.19 | sney | bit overkill if all you're running is plex, but can't argue with that price |
| 03:57.40 | rustyshackleford | 780 Watt power supply |
| 03:57.51 | rustyshackleford | maybe its too power hungry for a server that will mostly sit idle |
| 03:57.59 | rustyshackleford | all those drive bays though... |
| 03:59.25 | sney | it will be p loud, you will always hear it unless you have a basement to stash it in. but from a linux perspective, dell's business stuff is good, yes. all intel components usually. maybe bnx2 for the nics, but that's supported too. should pretty much work right out of the box. |
| 04:00.04 | rustyshackleford | yeah I was wondering if the fans were loud |
| 04:01.01 | sney | the system fans will throttle down but the psu fans will not. |
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| 04:50.25 | gry__ | hi, ive got an atheros wireless card and when wireless drops, it doesn't reconnect. here is dmesg https://dpaste.com/FPNZGMZLY.txt |
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| 05:36.59 | TheBigK02 | jhutchins: why would i print which kernels are available. i dont udnerstand? |
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| 06:12.01 | genr8_ | !sns |
| 06:12.02 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 06:33.00 | addedman8 | hey what is the url for debian' package ftps?\ |
| 06:33.21 | addedman8 | i want to dl a few packages but i dont have debian installed |
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| 06:37.54 | jaggz | In debian stable I created two files in /lib/systemd/system for a service to wait on a port (just a script that runs when the port is opened) |
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| 06:38.03 | jaggz | this isn't working in debian testing |
| 06:38.30 | jaggz | systemctl list-units doesn't show it |
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| 06:39.21 | jaggz | I copied the files from one system to the other then ran systemctl daemon-reload |
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| 06:44.34 | TheBigK02 | jaggz: try systemctl daemon-reload |
| 06:45.11 | jaggz | again? :) |
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| 06:46.08 | TheBigK02 | jaggz: if thats not working, try doing a symlink to /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants |
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| 06:46.12 | node1 | why i'm getting `NTP service: inactive` using `timedatectl` while enabling it using `timedatectl set-ntp true` ? |
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| 06:47.15 | TheBigK02 | node1: try systemctl enable systemd-timesyncd |
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| 06:48.08 | node1 | why not with timedatectl ? |
| 06:48.40 | node1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.40 | node1 | Condition: start condition failed at Fri 2021-04-09 02:43:09 EDT; 5min ago |
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| 06:49.40 | TheBigK02 | pastebin outpout of systemctl status systmed-timesyncd |
| 06:50.09 | jaggz | looks like it failed at startup and you need to see the logs, node1 |
| 06:50.23 | somiaj | jaggz: please don't create/edti files in /lib/systemd, that is what /etc/systemd is for |
| 06:50.56 | jaggz | here's my testport.socket file, in /etc/systemd/system/ (and symlinked to it, with the same name, from the multi-user... subdir) https://paste.debian.net/1192893/ |
| 06:51.07 | node1 | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1192894 |
| 06:51.13 | somiaj | as to your issue, I'm unsure why debian testing isn't seeing the service |
| 06:51.24 | node1 | TheBigK02, https://paste.debian.net/plain/1192894 |
| 06:52.03 | TheBigK02 | node1: do u have an ntp service running ? |
| 06:52.11 | TheBigK02 | *-n |
| 06:52.30 | AquaL1te | during debian package installs, there are sometimes interactive menus to setup the package. is there a way to automate the answers? specifically with ansible? |
| 06:52.36 | jaggz | and then this one is in the same dir, and called testport@.service: https://paste.debian.net/1192895/ |
| 06:52.55 | TheBigK02 | AquaL1te: check out fai... |
| 06:53.36 | jaggz | is ntpd installed? |
| 06:53.40 | jaggz | (does it need to be?) |
| 06:53.48 | TheBigK02 | nope. thats the point |
| 06:53.57 | TheBigK02 | if its installed u cant use timesyncd from systemd |
| 06:53.59 | jaggz | oh, it's actually just called ntp |
| 06:54.02 | jaggz | ah |
| 06:54.14 | node1 | yes ntp is running but it uses local hardware clock time |
| 06:54.19 | AquaL1te | TheBigK02: how does that answer my question? this is about a full automated install |
| 06:54.40 | TheBigK02 | AquaL1te: yes? that should give u hints how to automate ur installation? isnt that what u want? |
| 06:54.42 | jaggz | I don't like ntpd anymore anyway. for years it hits a bunch of servers that I don't even have configured in its file. and it hits them way too frequently, and it's ignoring the minimum time between updates that I set in my config. |
| 06:54.51 | node1 | I have set to 127.0.1.1 |
| 06:55.20 | jaggz | I got so frustrated messing around with it to try to figure out why it's doing this that I got rid of it and just use ntpdate from cron (nice jumps in time I'm sure) |
| 06:55.46 | AquaL1te | TheBigK02: a full automated install != answer automated questsions for debian package installs. is it me? or is the debian community passive aggressive all the time? :) |
| 06:56.04 | jelly-home | node1, so you already have a ntp service. It doesn't really matter what source it's configured to trust, doesn't make sense to have two running at the same time really. |
| 06:56.09 | node1 | TheBigK02, Please find this https://paste.debian.net/plain/1192897 |
| 06:56.51 | TheBigK02 | i completely misunderstood u AquaL1te |
| 06:56.57 | node1 | I think timedatectl shows my ntp services. |
| 06:57.11 | somiaj | AquaL1te: there are ways to pre-answer the debconf questions, though looking up the details |
| 06:57.12 | TheBigK02 | package install.. not debian install... i was wrong... my fault |
| 06:58.02 | somiaj | AquaL1te: this seems to have some info about creating a file you can then use debconf-set-selections with (you do have to know the questions in advanced though) |
| 06:58.21 | node1 | Okay so you have any idea how to set with CDT time ? |
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| 06:58.31 | no_gravity | Good Morning |
| 06:59.00 | no_gravity | I want to reset all options/preferences in LibreOffice. What would be a good way to do that? |
| 06:59.46 | jelly | node1, changing the timezone does not change the system clock, timezones are just a cosmetic view. |
| 06:59.48 | jelly | !timezone |
| 06:59.48 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
| 06:59.52 | AquaL1te | somiaj: thanks! i'll have a look, that might indeed be it |
| 06:59.52 | TheBigK02 | no_gravity: remove ur config from ur homedir? but may be do a backup before if u regret ur decision :D |
| 07:00.05 | EdePopede | pleas for renaming |
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| 07:00.34 | no_gravity | TheBigK02: Where is that config? |
| 07:00.38 | node1 | Okay but i would like to sync with CDT time as my remote vm's are running in CDT time zone. |
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| 07:01.10 | jelly | node1, it's the same time, just shown differently |
| 07:01.28 | TheBigK02 | no_gravity: i found something .config/libreoffice... but there might be more |
| 07:01.41 | jaggz | what is a template service? can't find an explanation |
| 07:01.44 | jelly | the dpkg bot just told you how to change it ^ |
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| 07:01.57 | no_gravity | TheBigK02: I see. Lets see what happens when I do "mv libreoffice libreoffice_old" |
| 07:02.00 | node1 | Alright but i want to make it more user friendly and human readable. So i'm asking how to make my local vm into CDT time zone. |
| 07:02.11 | TheBigK02 | no_gravity: thats a good way about it |
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| 07:02.19 | lupulo | hi |
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| 07:02.22 | jelly | node1, <dpkg> A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". |
| 07:02.31 | node1 | It should show me in CDT time for that where shall i make configuration |
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| 07:02.39 | no_gravity | TheBigK02: Looks like it worked. Thanks! |
| 07:02.48 | TheBigK02 | no_gravity: always welcome :) |
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| 07:03.31 | node1 | jelly, There are so many options? which option is suited for CDT time? |
| 07:04.10 | node1 | CDT is for centeral US ? |
| 07:04.24 | TheBigK02 | node1: i gogled it, yes it seems like :) |
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| 07:04.40 | jaggz | oh, hey, list-unit-files shows my service |
| 07:05.01 | TheBigK02 | jaggz: congrats :) |
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| 07:09.05 | jaggz | :) |
| 07:09.17 | jaggz | of course, I can't connect to the port, and systemctl says it's dead |
| 07:11.41 | jaggz | hm |
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| 07:12.55 | jaggz | "Got no socket" |
| 07:15.20 | jelly | node1, I don't know all the timezones, sorry. Porbably best to pick a country/city |
| 07:15.40 | jaggz | TheBigK02, restarting the testport.socket worked.. can connect now |
| 07:15.47 | jaggz | mpg123 is segfaulting.. that's pleasant |
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| 07:16.21 | TheBigK02 | jaggz: u got this. i believe :D |
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| 07:24.58 | AquaL1te | to add to my previous question about answering debian package questions, ansible has a nice module for that: https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/collections/ansible/builtin/debconf_module.html |
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| 07:29.43 | jaggz | TheBigK02, not yet. got other issues. after one connect the port no longer opens. |
| 07:29.54 | jaggz | Restart=always doesn't fix that either |
| 07:30.01 | jaggz | man.. inetd was so easy |
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| 07:33.18 | jaggz | yikes. okay, disabling and re-enabling got it to work. and now it restarts and the port is available repeatedly |
| 07:33.36 | jaggz | sound doesn't play (it might not have the env vars set for it to connect to the proper sound dev/server) |
| 07:34.15 | jaggz | BUT, now I have a neat issue. the connect runs a script that should just run and exit, but when I connected once.. that worked.. (telnet localhost 7770) .. then a second time and it stayed connected |
| 07:34.20 | jaggz | that's.. weird |
| 07:34.44 | jaggz | lol.. finally it gave up: Speech Dispatcher failed to say messageInvalid language en-US! |
| 07:35.02 | jaggz | got that from my client telnet side :) |
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| 07:50.44 | jaggz | finally. got it all working. Restart=always isn't proper either; that re-runs my script until it maxes out (5 count). so it alerts 5 times :) |
| 07:50.45 | jaggz | on-abort is proper there |
| 07:50.45 | jaggz | I think |
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| 08:53.36 | berkhan | Hi channel! I was looking at the /etc/hosts file. I already set `127.0.0.1 example.org` but the software queries DNS from DHCP recommended DNS servers. I'm currently on Debian Buster. I checked systemd-resolve but it is not running/enabled. I restarted the `networking` service but nothing happened. |
| 08:54.34 | berkhan | Currently using Wireshark to monitor the trafic |
| 08:55.05 | ratrace | berkhan: what software? what's in your /etc/nsswitch.conf for the "hosts:" entry? |
| 08:55.46 | ratrace | and to be clear I understood what you said ... you have 127.0.0.1 example org in your hosts, but some software is resolving "example.org" by querying the DHCP designated NS servers, correct? |
| 08:55.55 | ratrace | ie. it's not returning 127.0.0.1 for example.org? |
| 08:56.36 | berkhan | ratrace: It's a property software. `/etc/nsswitch.conf` includes `hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns myhostname` |
| 08:57.05 | berkhan | When I ping example.org, I get 127.0.0.1. So, I can say that /etc/hosts is working |
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| 08:58.51 | ratrace | berkhan: right, so whatever proprietary software you're using there, eiter has its own DNS caching, or does resolving diffrently from asking glibc like it should. |
| 08:59.15 | ratrace | berkhan: or is that containerized/namespaced application and there's different DNS/nsswitch settings in the namespace? |
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| 09:01.07 | berkhan | ratrace: it might have its own DNS caching. because I double checked with ping utility and Firefox. I see 127.0.0.1 when I visit/ping example.org. The software is not containerized/namespaced application. |
| 09:01.34 | berkhan | ratrace: but thanks for help! |
| 09:03.06 | ratrace | berkhan: keep in mind that DoH (DNS over HTTPS) is now all the rage, and it might be doing that instead of regular DNS query |
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| 09:04.14 | berkhan | ratrace: I turned off the DoH in Firefox and looked at the interface usage with Wireshark. I see "something" still queries proprietary.org... |
| 09:04.38 | berkhan | ratrace: then I better look at something else :) |
| 09:04.50 | berkhan | other than /etc/hosts or /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 09:10.38 | styx-tdo | hi, i try to re-configure packages with debconf, in this case locales. I run debconf-get-selections | egrep '^locales' to get values, this looks fine. Then I run the output thru debconf-set-selection |
| 09:10.53 | styx-tdo | the data is reflected in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
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| 09:11.30 | styx-tdo | just.. how do I apply this? When running dpkg-reconfigure locales -f noninteractive, it gets values from.. somewhere, but not mine.. |
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| 09:13.27 | styx-tdo | https://paste.debian.net/1192915/ |
| 09:17.05 | styx-tdo | solved. After setting the locales, it is required to run rm /etc/locale.gen; dpkg-reconfigure --frontend noninteractive locales |
| 09:21.20 | nicoz | hi |
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| 09:21.47 | nicoz | i have a error in upgrade |
| 09:21.50 | nicoz | https://pastebin.com/haLdmbpC |
| 09:23.18 | nicoz | I do not detect keyboard problems, but on the terminal it gives me these messages, looking a bit on the web I saw that it is a bug ... is there a solution? |
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| 09:26.45 | styx-tdo | dpkg-reconfigure console-data may help |
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| 09:48.23 | EmleyMoor | Is there a way to read QR codes with my webcam, so that I can then paste the decoding into a web page? |
| 09:50.00 | Mathisen | ,info zbar |
| 09:50.02 | judd | No package named 'zbar' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 09:50.48 | Mathisen | ,info zbar-tools |
| 09:50.51 | judd | Package zbar-tools (graphics, optional) in buster/amd64: bar code scanner and decoder (utilities). Version: 0.22-1; Size: 36.1k; Installed: 89k; Homepage: https://github.com/mchehab/zbar |
| 09:50.59 | Mathisen | EmleyMoor, |
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| 10:59.36 | dob1 | does the debian cd comes with mksqualsh ? |
| 10:59.44 | dob1 | or at least is installable in live ? |
| 10:59.50 | dob1 | mksquash |
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| 11:19.54 | HannaM | -_- ... https://packages.debian.org/buster/nginx lists as homepage nginx.net, which is misconfigured and therefore the usual f**ing firefox warning appars. has nginx.net ever been the correct homepage of it? (it should be nginx.org) |
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| 11:20.55 | jelly-home | ,i nginx |
| 11:20.58 | judd | Package nginx (httpd, optional) in buster/amd64: small, powerful, scalable web/proxy server. Version: 1.14.2-2+deb10u3; Size: 86.3k; Installed: 98k; Homepage: https://nginx.net |
| 11:21.29 | HannaM | arg! the error is everywhere.. =) |
| 11:21.46 | jelly-home | that's from the same source. |
| 11:21.54 | HannaM | you don't say .. |
| 11:22.04 | HannaM | just wanted to be funny |
| 11:22.20 | jelly-home | looks like someone blindly replaced http with https there, if you go to http://nginx.net it correctly redirects to http://nginx.org |
| 11:22.39 | jelly-home | "funny" doesn't translate well over irc, sorry |
| 11:23.02 | HannaM | yeah, that's why I said "misconfigured" - who can change this at the source? the package maintainer only? |
| 11:24.35 | jelly-home | yes, but anyone can report the bad url as a bug against the package |
| 11:24.45 | jelly-home | http://bugs.debian.org/src:nginx # doesn't seem to be reported already |
| 11:24.46 | HannaM | I see |
| 11:24.54 | jelly-home | !reportbug |
| 11:24.54 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
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| 12:13.06 | short-bike | On a fresh install of 10 as a libvirt guest and using debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso as the installer, running 'sudo apt-get update' throws an error > E: The repository 'cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 10.7.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20201205-11:17] buster Release' does not have a Release file. Google hits and man pages are not helping. A pointer here would be appreciated. TY |
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| 12:14.40 | zykotick9 | short-bike: edit /etc/apt/sources.list with a valid mirror, you might think about commenting out the CDROM lines (if you don't use CDs) |
| 12:16.05 | short-bike | zykotick9: Thank you much. I'll do that. |
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| 12:18.55 | jelly | !buster sources.list |
| 12:18.55 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 12:19.08 | jelly | short-bike, ^ |
| 12:19.18 | short-bike | Looking at that now. |
| 12:20.23 | short-bike | jelly: Thanks. |
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| 12:20.25 | jelly | the cdrom entry is left in /etc/apt/sources.list if a mirror isn't selected during the install process (usually if there's no internet connectivity) |
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| 12:21.12 | jelly | it's only useful for no-internet situations, air gapped installs and upgrades, so it's safe to comment it out or delete it completely |
| 12:21.50 | short-bike | IIRC I selected 'use mirror0 during the install. Debian.org I think. |
| 12:22.13 | short-bike | s/'use mirror* |
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| 12:31.03 | short-bike | This is how /etc/apt/source.list looks now. Is there anything else I need to add/amend ? Thank you. -> https://paste.debian.net/1192936/ |
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| 12:32.29 | Franciman | It's friday then! I am gonna bisect the kernel yeh! |
| 12:32.53 | Franciman | I am three commits away from finding the cause of my wifi misbehaviour |
| 12:33.14 | Franciman | finally I will be able to have a top notch debian |
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| 12:36.29 | henko | I'm fighting with SANE support for my printer. My advise... when you buy a laser printer look air Airprint compatiblity... |
| 12:38.39 | Franciman | henko, let us keep our fight for freedom |
| 12:38.59 | Franciman | big corps find all types of tricks to breach the free software movement |
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| 12:42.29 | ratrace | what's a "printer"? hint-hint, nudge-nudge, wink-wink, say no more, say no more. |
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| 12:42.54 | henko | yeah.. btw OEMs are now vendor-locking EPYCs to their hardware... sometimes it feels like one step forward and two steps back :( |
| 12:43.14 | henko | ratrace: well technically a MFP :) |
| 12:44.00 | henko | I think scanning as a feature will prevail printing for sure :D |
| 12:44.09 | ratrace | what do you mean "vendor locking EPYCs"? |
| 12:44.48 | henko | When you buy a Lenovo or Dell Server with an EPYC CPU in it... it is tied cryptographically to this specific hardware |
| 12:45.08 | ratrace | are you talking about EFI firmware requiring signed SecureBoot(tm) thing? |
| 12:45.14 | henko | Maybe even more Manufacturers will jump on that bandwagon.. I hope not |
| 12:46.05 | henko | https://www.servethehome.com/amd-psb-vendor-locks-epyc-cpus-for-enhanced-security-at-a-cost/ |
| 12:46.36 | ratrace | oh... "swell" |
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| 12:54.06 | tinga | Is there a proper/somewhat straightforward way to find out of a file system is on an SSD or not (HDD, network..)? |
| 12:54.54 | remline | tinga: maybe try lsblk -f |
| 12:54.56 | tinga | Or, even better, have a way to read some IOPs estimate. |
| 12:55.02 | tinga | checking |
| 12:55.21 | karlpinc | tinga: iostat, in the sysstat package. |
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| 12:56.28 | ratrace | if the hardware is virtualized, there's no way to find, from a guest VM, where the host is storing the VM's disk or otherwise mounted filesystem |
| 12:56.43 | echoSMILE | What do I need to enable touchpad buttons (3) at 10.9 with XFCE ? |
| 12:57.00 | tinga | Doesn't iostat just represent the currently used tps? I'd like to get an estimate of what the disk is *capable* of. |
| 12:57.10 | ratrace | but maybe iops and throughput is what you really want to know, regardless of what the storage really is? |
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| 12:57.27 | tinga | Also, I need it in a quick manner, so that a program can check on startup and decide, oh that's an SSD, so I'll use a different approach. |
| 12:57.33 | ratrace | tinga: you can run fio benchmarks for example |
| 12:57.48 | ratrace | this smells like !xy |
| 12:57.51 | ratrace | !xy |
| 12:57.51 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 12:57.53 | tinga | So, IOPs judgement from the kernel would be ideal (IIRC the kernel does that detection itself, too) |
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| 12:58.52 | tinga | ratrace, yes, I just want to know if the backing storage will do more than say 5000 IOPs or not. |
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| 13:02.52 | ratrace | at _that_ particular moment. |
| 13:06.31 | wintersky | i need some assistsance in creating a vbox deb file |
| 13:07.08 | wintersky | they use kmk so it's not that simple to use checkinstall |
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| 13:14.53 | henko | ratrace: is there a way too print all the "!<name>" commands here in IRC so I can read them myself? |
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| 13:20.24 | ratrace | henko: /msg dpkg help |
| 13:20.28 | ratrace | henko: also: https://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/ |
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| 13:21.33 | henko | ty |
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| 13:40.41 | jelly | tinga, kernel can see whether a locally-connected block dev is on rotational media or ssd. |
| 13:41.46 | tinga | jelly, yep, I was just told about /sys/block/$dev/queue/rotational in another channel. Thanks! |
| 13:41.58 | tinga | Still looking into how that info behaves in the face of LVM etc. |
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| 13:50.07 | jelly | but that won't tell you whether a device can do 5k iops. Only a benchmark can, |
| 13:50.45 | wintersky | https://paste.debian.net/1192941/ |
| 13:50.47 | wintersky | any clues? |
| 13:50.56 | wintersky | i'm pinning the vbox package |
| 13:51.02 | wintersky | from sid on debian 11 |
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| 13:53.44 | jelly | tinga, my lvm is on a md raid1 which has one ssd member and one hdd write-mostly member, now what? :-D |
| 13:55.00 | tinga | I don't know, but if the kernel is collecting that info for algorithmic decisions for reading it will reasonably report this as non-rotational. |
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| 13:55.18 | tinga | If it's about writing speed with sync, then as rotational. |
| 13:55.31 | tinga | So yes, will have to figure out more. |
| 13:56.16 | tinga | jelly, BTW interesting setup you've got here, does it work well? |
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| 13:57.17 | tinga | I guess (if the kernel prefers the SSD for reading) for a laptop/desktop that should work well--not many writes, and reads are fast. |
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| 13:57.54 | tinga | I expect apt install will be slow though :) |
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| 14:01.16 | jelly | ,i eatmydata |
| 14:01.17 | judd | Package eatmydata (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Library and utilities designed to disable fsync and friends. Version: 105-7; Size: 15.4k; Installed: 30k; Homepage: https://launchpad.net/libeatmydata |
| 14:02.03 | jelly | ^ if you think there will be no kernel crash, fs or hw error or power loss, you can wrap apt in that |
| 14:02.20 | jelly | not recommended for production use |
| 14:03.00 | tinga | Oh, heh, nice, thanks for the tip. |
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| 14:14.01 | dinamr | tinga: can you highlight me pls? for a test. |
| 14:14.17 | tinga | dinamr, sure |
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| 14:28.42 | dinamr | thanks |
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| 14:50.18 | MrTrick | I have a strange makefile, expecting to call a command `shell`? What is this supposed to be? |
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| 14:52.52 | MrTrick | hmm, wait that's not it either... For some reason this 'stop-server' command doesn't actually stop the processes. |
| 14:52.52 | MrTrick | https://github.com/guzzle/guzzle/blob/master/Makefile#L22 |
| 14:53.49 | imMute | MrTrick: in Make, $() is not a shell command, it's a make command. like $(filter-out ...) |
| 14:54.22 | imMute | so to make it do a real shell command, you have to invoke the make command that does a shell: $(shell cat /etc/passwd) |
| 14:54.38 | imMute | because $(cat /etc/passwd) would be trying to invoke a *make* command called cat, which doesn't exist. |
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| 14:54.48 | HannaM | MrTrick: https://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Shell-Function |
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| 14:56.53 | MrTrick | ah cheers |
| 14:57.06 | HannaM | yes, the subtle details ... |
| 14:57.15 | MrTrick | hmm, the 'cut' invocation is wrong, a leading space means it returns no output. |
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| 15:02.57 | echoSMILE | After every debian instalation I change at /etc/apt/sources.list the string from "buster-updates" to "buster" am I doing it wrong or work the same way? |
| 15:04.22 | imMute | echoSMILE: that doesn't sound right.... what are you trying to do? |
| 15:04.53 | echoSMILE | imMute: just using network mirrors |
| 15:06.44 | imMute | but why are you modifying the sources.list after install? what's wrong with the one that the installer left there? |
| 15:06.47 | echoSMILE | the default entries has "buster-updates" or "buster/updates" string now I am confused, and I change it to only "buster" |
| 15:07.19 | echoSMILE | imMute: I think the apt can't work properly with the default ones. Or I am make some confusion |
| 15:07.48 | imMute | echoSMILE: that would be really stupid if the debian installer left apt broken. so I think you're mistaken. |
| 15:08.29 | echoSMILE | Sure. Can you confirm which string is to put it back? |
| 15:10.08 | imMute | deb http://security.debian.org/ buster/updates main contrib non-free |
| 15:10.15 | imMute | is what one of my systems has |
| 15:10.39 | imMute | I think it changed recently, and maybe both work now (my Linode has both configured for some reason) |
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| 15:11.57 | imMute | https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ though I don't like that it has the option for 3rd party repos :/ |
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| 15:12.05 | echoSMILE | imMute: not the security but the others, but what I see at wiki can be used both? |
| 15:12.13 | echoSMILE | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 15:12.33 | echoSMILE | s/can/need to |
| 15:12.58 | imMute | it looks like the security repo uses foo/updates while the other one uses foo-updates. |
| 15:13.01 | oxek | !buster sources.list |
| 15:13.01 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 15:14.47 | echoSMILE | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list mention with and without "-updates" at the same time |
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| 15:15.12 | imMute | yes, they're two separate repos |
| 15:15.44 | echoSMILE | Tks |
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| 15:26.22 | somiaj | echoSMILE: foo-updates can provide you with bug fixes before they come via a point release, so useful to have, but if you don't, you'll end up getting any fixes there with point releases |
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| 15:31.06 | echoSMILE | somiaj: tks |
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| 15:31.30 | dob1 | I have an old pc where I installed debian stable, xfce4 / openbox / other tests but there is no way I can use the mouse but I don't see the mouse pointer |
| 15:31.35 | dob1 | the mouse arrow |
| 15:31.37 | echoSMILE | Would be cool if the firefox devs could add the features "allways https" options (just saying) |
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| 15:33.13 | dob1 | I can press mouse buttons, they work but no mouse pointer and the mouse is not broken |
| 15:35.25 | ratrace | echoSMILE: there's an extension tho |
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| 15:36.44 | EdePopede | dob1: could it just be an empty icon? |
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| 15:37.26 | dob1 | EdePopede, I don't know, I didn't modify anything. It's just installed. |
| 15:37.49 | EdePopede | dob1: changing the cursor theme may change it |
| 15:38.09 | dob1 | EdePopede, how can I do it? |
| 15:38.12 | EdePopede | but it sounds strange, yes. |
| 15:38.14 | EdePopede | err... |
| 15:38.21 | dob1 | I cannot move anything |
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| 15:38.52 | echoSMILE | ratrace: Yeah, but... |
| 15:38.53 | oxek | echoSMILE: that pref already exists in non-ESR firefox versions |
| 15:39.00 | oxek | plus there's HTTPS Everywhere extension |
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| 15:39.18 | echoSMILE | oxek: I know, that's the reason I told that |
| 15:39.33 | EdePopede | dob1: alt-f1 â settings â mouse&touchpad â themes |
| 15:39.36 | echoSMILE | oxek: I like vanilla flavour :D |
| 15:39.48 | oxek | it's not clear what you mean echoSMILE |
| 15:39.52 | dob1 | EdePopede, from xfce ? |
| 15:39.58 | EdePopede | yip |
| 15:40.02 | dob1 | I try |
| 15:41.49 | echoSMILE | I just installed debian in a laptop that I am pretty sure the buttons from touchpad worked by default, but not now. Any idea? |
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| 15:43.38 | dob1 | EdePopede, nothing. I can "drag" the mouse too and I see the area I am creating (I hope is clear) but no pointer |
| 15:44.26 | EdePopede | dob1: got a live system? or mouse support in the bios? |
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| 15:44.53 | dob1 | EdePopede, no, it's an very old pc |
| 15:45.40 | dob1 | but I have to say the debian "lenny" or older runs on it and it was nice |
| 15:46.06 | dob1 | to be clear, now I am using buster |
| 15:46.42 | dob1 | it was better with the old debian |
| 15:46.55 | EdePopede | you had a visible mouse cursor ;) |
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| 15:47.35 | dob1 | what was the name of the mouse support in framebuffer? I wanna try it if it works there |
| 15:47.38 | dob1 | I don't remember the name |
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| 15:47.45 | dob1 | gdx |
| 15:47.51 | towo` | gpm |
| 15:47.54 | dob1 | ah ok |
| 15:48.42 | dob1 | it works non framebuffer |
| 15:49.07 | dob1 | but not on xorg.... damn |
| 15:50.17 | towo` | why should gpm works on x? |
| 15:50.29 | towo` | x has it's own mouse |
| 15:51.54 | dob1 | yes, but I can confirm mouse is ok |
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| 16:26.05 | dmt | gpm indeed :) for tty |
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| 16:26.55 | dmt | debian 7 for example has problems with SSL in browsers like links2 |
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| 16:44.16 | Casper26 | Is there a way to reinstall grub from the Debian live cd? |
| 16:44.23 | somiaj | !fixmbr |
| 16:44.24 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 16:45.25 | somiaj | note if you use the debian install cd in rescue mode, and state your root partition, it will do all the mounting/chrooting for you |
| 16:48.22 | Casper26 | Process the same if /bbot is seperate partition? |
| 16:48.38 | somiaj | you'll have to mount /target/boot as part |
| 16:48.49 | Casper26 | Thank you |
| 16:49.09 | somiaj | baislcaly you'll have to mount enough of your filesystem tree to have the binaries you need to run/install grub, so you if /usr, /var, etc are aslso seperate partitions should mount those |
| 16:49.33 | somiaj | you don't really need to mount /home for this process since you will do it as root and won't need anything in /home, but it can't hurt |
| 16:49.58 | Casper26 | Just /boot and /home are seperate |
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| 16:50.09 | somiaj | you need to mount /boot, /home is optional |
| 16:50.18 | Casper26 | Got it |
| 16:50.23 | Casper26 | Thanks again |
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| 17:59.24 | hsn | buster is latest debian release? |
| 17:59.46 | nkuttler | yes |
| 18:00.10 | hsn | thanks |
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| 18:44.08 | netcrash | Hello, Was there any change in mariadb server 10.3 recently regarding connection timeouts? |
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| 18:48.24 | sney | nope, most recent mariadb-10.3 upload was in October |
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| 19:28.31 | Fish-Guts | Hi. not sure i'm in the right place. i'm running debian 10 and installed apache2 webserver. port 80 is open yet the server is not accessible from outside. what can I check? |
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| 19:28.54 | sney | hi Fish-Guts, this is the right place. |
| 19:29.08 | sney | what do you mean "from outside"? is this webserver on your local network? |
| 19:29.54 | Fish-Guts | no, it's an external server. connection to port 80 works directly on the server but not from my local machine |
| 19:30.00 | Fish-Guts | netstat shows tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN - |
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| 19:30.20 | sney | that's ipv6 only, are you connecting over ipv6? |
| 19:30.45 | Dagger | v6 sockets listening on :: can accept v4 connections, provided that net.ipv6.bindv6only is left at its default value of 0 |
| 19:31.02 | Fish-Guts | hold let me check |
| 19:31.09 | sney | sorry, :: is ipv6 *localhost*. |
| 19:31.36 | Dagger | :: is "any address", not localhost. localhost is ::1 |
| 19:31.42 | Fish-Guts | I did try setting the bind to 0.0.0.0:80 to specifcally listen to ipv4 connections |
| 19:32.06 | sney | derp, I haven't looked at inet6 in a while |
| 19:32.17 | Fish-Guts | :) |
| 19:33.07 | Fish-Guts | my apache ports.conf is using the default setting: Listen 80 |
| 19:34.12 | Fish-Guts | i think it may be a permission issue since calling it directly on the server returns a 403 |
| 19:34.33 | Fish-Guts | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden |
| 19:34.33 | Fish-Guts | 2021-04-09 21:33:48 ERROR 403: Forbidden. |
| 19:36.23 | Dagger | if you can't connect, the problem isn't that the HTTP queries you would've sent if you could connect would've returned a 403 |
| 19:36.27 | Dagger | the problem is that you can't connect |
| 19:36.38 | Fish-Guts | true |
| 19:36.58 | Fish-Guts | ufw status returns WWW ALLOW Anywhere |
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| 19:41.05 | Fish-Guts | i switched the binding back to ipv4 just in case. same result |
| 19:41.06 | Fish-Guts | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 19296/apache2 |
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| 19:49.46 | jhutchins | What is it with people breaking things with firewall tools this week? |
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| 19:50.31 | sney | this week? |
| 19:52.16 | jhutchins | sney: Yeah, seems to have been daily. |
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| 19:57.30 | hansol | guys, i have made changes in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:57.43 | hansol | how to restart network to load new changes ? |
| 19:58.06 | greycat | Depends on what you changed. The BEST way is to down the interface BEFORE making the changes, then change, then up the interface. |
| 19:58.36 | greycat | If you converted an interface from dhcp to static, without downing it beforehand, then there'll be a running DHCP client daemon you'll need to stop by hand. |
| 19:58.58 | greycat | Apart from that, though, it's basically just "ifdown foo" and "ifup foo". |
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| 20:00.09 | jhutchins | Isn't there a networking service you can restart? |
| 20:00.33 | hansol | i dont know i changed from dhcp to stastic |
| 20:00.45 | hansol | then what i have to restart the netwroking ? |
| 20:00.59 | greycat | ifdown, ifup, and find the PID of the dhcp client daemon and kill it |
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| 20:01.08 | greycat | not necessarily in that order |
| 20:01.18 | hansol | so ? |
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| 20:01.24 | snowflake | latest stable |
| 20:01.37 | jhutchins | snowflake: buster |
| 20:01.51 | snowflake | (oh, sorry, I didn't scroll down) :D |
| 20:02.17 | hansol | i have to restart whole machine ? |
| 20:02.26 | greycat | ifdown, ifup, and find the PID of the dhcp client daemon and kill it |
| 20:02.53 | hansol | ifdown command not found |
| 20:02.58 | greycat | !buster su |
| 20:02.58 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 20:03.26 | hansol | greycat understand now |
| 20:05.56 | hansol | guys, what mean mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN group default qlen 1000 ? |
| 20:06.43 | hansol | im using vmware strange but i cannot see a network adapter in connections like before for vmware |
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| 20:12.57 | tomreyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.22 | greycat | that doesn't read the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces which is Debian specific and uses Debian tools: ifup and ifdown |
| 20:13.37 | tomreyn | oh ok |
| 20:13.49 | greycat | if you're trying to bypass Debian's stuff and operate on the raw interface by hand, then yes, you use the ip command |
| 20:14.06 | Fish-Guts | i have now reinstalled apache2 completely and set the permission correclty - still cannot connect from outside |
| 20:14.44 | tomreyn | Fish-Guts: based on your previous reports, the problem is anywhere outside of this system |
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| 20:16.47 | imMute | tomreyn: the stuff using the ip command directly set kernel configuration. all the networking tools (ifupdown, NetworkManager, networkd, etc) all use that interface too |
| 20:17.01 | Fish-Guts | hmm strange. i mean it's plain port 80. it's open according to ufw status. i remember that tomcat has restrictions on running port 80 as non-root - does apache have similar restrictions? |
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| 20:17.34 | greycat | you said it doesn't connect from other system -- does it work if you connect to localhost? if so, then it's listening on port 80. |
| 20:17.48 | tomreyn | imMute: thanks, got it |
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| 20:18.45 | imMute | greycat: it might be listening on localhost:80 instead of 0.0.0.0:80 though. still a good first check |
| 20:19.19 | Fish-Guts | greycat: yes on the shell on the server connection to localhost if fine |
| 20:19.19 | jhutchins | Fish-Guts: Apache does not have default restrictions that I recall, but it does have allow/deny settings in several places. |
| 20:19.48 | Fish-Guts | from my local shell to the remote http server i get timeouts |
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| 20:20.25 | Fish-Guts | jhutchins ok i'll check the conf, hold on |
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| 20:21.11 | tomreyn | how are you testing from your local shell |
| 20:21.47 | Fish-Guts | tomreyn with a wget against the hostname / IP |
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| 20:22.11 | tomreyn | use nc -vv ip.address.of.server 80 |
| 20:22.49 | tomreyn | it will either sit there and do nothing or say that it connected fine, and then just sit there |
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| 20:22.57 | Fish-Guts | tomreyn no response (timeout) |
| 20:23.09 | tomreyn | that fast? |
| 20:23.17 | Fish-Guts | well not really a timeout - just sittin there |
| 20:23.20 | Fish-Guts | doing nothing |
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| 20:23.52 | jhutchins | wget should work, should retrieve the index.html or give a permissions error as opposed to timing out. |
| 20:23.54 | tomreyn | so your client is unable to setup a tcp conection to port 80 on the given ip address |
| 20:24.28 | Fish-Guts | tomreyn that would be my guess yes, i just can't figure out why - the port is open |
| 20:24.42 | tomreyn | possible reasons there include a firewall (which can be between systems, not just on the target system) |
| 20:24.52 | Fish-Guts | i'll check from another server |
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| 20:25.02 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 20:25.07 | tomreyn | no, the port is closed, at least as seen from your client |
| 20:25.18 | jhutchins | Fish-Guts: Might want to see what nmap says. |
| 20:25.31 | johnfg | Getting some errors concerning a pkg from apt update/upgrade. |
| 20:26.44 | johnfg | libenchant1c2a : Depends: libhunspell-1.4-0 but it is not installable |
| 20:26.44 | jhutchins | johnfg: "Getting some errors ..." is an utterly useless statement. |
| 20:26.46 | johnfg | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 20:27.09 | johnfg | I know that, I'm a bit slow - multi-tasking. |
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| 20:27.45 | Iarfen | hi! |
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| 20:28.04 | jhutchins | johnfg: There should be more to it than that. Does it say what package? |
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| 20:28.33 | jhutchins | johnfg: Does it say what error it's trying to correct? What's in the log? |
| 20:28.42 | johnfg | jhutchins: libenchant1c2a/unknown 1.6.1-1+0~20210212.1+debian9~1.gbp73138d amd64 [upgradable from: 1.6.0-11.1+b1] |
| 20:29.22 | greycat | ,v libenchant1c2a |
| 20:29.23 | judd | Package: libenchant1c2a on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.0-10.1; stretch: 1.6.0-11+b1; buster: 1.6.0-11.1+b1 |
| 20:29.26 | johnfg | followed by: N: There is 1 additional version. Please use the '-a' switch to see it |
| 20:29.38 | greycat | johnfg: you've got non-Debian sources. |
| 20:30.06 | johnfg | greycat: Should I remove it then? |
| 20:30.14 | Fish-Guts | nmap output is interesting. says one open port, not 80 |
| 20:31.14 | johnfg | How do I find what's using libenchant1c2a? |
| 20:31.33 | greycat | One way to do it is to try to remove it, and see what else apt would have to remove to achieve that. Then just say no. |
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| 20:32.24 | johnfg | greycat: Thanks, I'll do that and report back. |
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| 20:35.13 | johnfg | greycat: https://dpaste.com/ENNP4TQES |
| 20:35.43 | johnfg | I think it has to do with aspell. |
| 20:35.56 | greycat | that... makes a punnish sort of sense. |
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| 20:39.51 | johnfg | Is there a way I can switch to the debian version, while uninstalling the other? |
| 20:41.10 | greycat | Purge it, fix sources.list if needed, then install it. |
| 20:41.26 | greycat | it's not like your system is going to explode if you purge aspell |
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| 20:42.06 | johnfg | Oh, so purge aspell. It won't try to uninstall all that stuff I showed in my paste? |
| 20:42.21 | Fish-Guts | something else is interesting - when I disable the firewall i get an instant "connection refused" error when connecting to the server on port 80 -when i enable the firewall is won't connect but still not saying anything |
| 20:42.43 | greycat | I didn't look at your thing. dpaste is one of those sites that you can't view in curl AFAIK. |
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| 20:43.16 | jhutchins | Fish-Guts: paste.debian.net |
| 20:43.33 | jhutchins | Re, johnfg |
| 20:43.41 | johnfg | It was the libenchant pkg that wanted to uninstall a lot! |
| 20:43.51 | johnfg | jhutchins: paste there instead? |
| 20:44.01 | jhutchins | Fish-Guts: Ok, the "connection refused" should log something. |
| 20:44.14 | jhutchins | johnfg: If you want greycat to look at it, yes. |
| 20:44.51 | greycat | it might be helpful (or not) if you said what your non-Debian sources were, so we have some clue what we're dealing with |
| 20:44.52 | Fish-Guts | jhutchins well yeah when the firewall is disabled it refuses all connections - seem natural to me |
| 20:45.12 | johnfg | https://paste.debian.net/1193000/ |
| 20:45.13 | machine_1490 | Hi, lately I've been getting some mce errors (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wWfZzD33Zn/) with my Debian 10 machine. The only issue I notice is longer boot times (it hangs between the brand splash and the grub menu. On ##linux it was suggested that I test an older kernel seeing as the problem is new. I've deleted the old kernels, how can I get the old |
| 20:45.14 | machine_1490 | kernel from around six months ago? Thanks! |
| 20:45.31 | greycat | !snapshot |
| 20:45.31 | dpkg | https://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. https://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 20:49.22 | jhutchins | Fish-Guts: pastebin your ports.conf |
| 20:49.28 | hansol | guys, i can see on router the linux ip but i dont have internet on the linux machine |
| 20:49.43 | machine_1490 | That's great! How do I find the kernel in use in Debian 10 in September with that site? |
| 20:50.01 | machine_1490 | September 2020 |
| 20:50.07 | jhutchins | hansol: Insufficient data. |
| 20:50.14 | greycat | I suppose you can read the changelog of the kernel you already have, and see which version was uploaded around September. |
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| 20:50.26 | Fish-Guts | jhutchins: https://paste.debian.net/1193002/ |
| 20:50.44 | jhutchins | Fish-Guts: I'll be a minute. |
| 20:50.49 | johnfg | https://paste.debian.net/1193001/ So, I removed, then reinstalled aspell, but this still follows. |
| 20:50.52 | Fish-Guts | no worries |
| 20:51.39 | hansol | jhutchins what that means |
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| 20:54.15 | greycat | johnfg: so what happens when you purge the offending library, and did you track down the non-Debian source it's coming from, or are you intentionally hiding that from us? |
| 20:55.07 | yetoo | I am trying to see if my current SSD model was blacklisted for the kernel current buster is based off of buster (uname -r says 4.9.0-4-amd64 (based off of 4.9.0 I assume)). How can I check drivers/ata/libata-core.c in the debian repository as I don't see it. My ssd isn't technically listed in the 4.9 or master but the standard variant is for just 4.9 and I;m curious |
| 20:55.34 | johnfg | greycat: No, not hiding anything. Did you see what I pasted as to what would be removed if I did an apt remove libenchant1c2a? And my sources.list is pretty clean. |
| 20:55.39 | greycat | 4.9 is a stretch kernel; buster is on 4.19 |
| 20:56.02 | greycat | johnfg: sources.list.d/ then. it's gotta be coming from *somewhere*. |
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| 20:56.21 | jhutchins | Fish-Guts: Mine just has Listen 80 |
| 20:56.31 | johnfg | The only thing that's not debian, I guess, is the docker line: deb [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/debian buster stable |
| 20:56.41 | Fish-Guts | jhutchins doesn't work either - tried both settings |
| 20:56.53 | johnfg | Is that okay, as I run (or ddev does) docker? |
| 20:57.02 | greycat | Not touching that with a 10 foot pole. |
| 20:57.16 | yetoo | greycat: that's disturbing, lsb_release -a shows Release: 10 and Codename: Buster |
| 20:58.25 | jhutchins | Fish-Guts: https://paste.debian.net/1193005 |
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| 20:59.07 | jhutchins | Fish-Guts: Remember to restart Apache. |
| 20:59.36 | johnfg | greycat: I do have other lists in sources.list.d, but none of them explicitly refer to that lib. |
| 20:59.56 | Fish-Guts | pasted, restarted. same result |
| 21:00.26 | jhutchins | yetoo: What's special/different about your SSD that it wouldn't be supported by the usual SATA drivers? |
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| 21:01.13 | jhutchins | johnfg: sources.list is for repositories, not packages. |
| 21:02.47 | johnfg | jhutchins: Yes, I knew that, but was trying to figure out then where the non-debian pkg was coming from. |
| 21:02.48 | Fish-Guts | maybe i'll just get rid of ufw and reinstall that one as well |
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| 21:04.09 | yetoo | jhutchins: Nothing really, it's a Samsung SSD 860 EVO mSATA 500GB but the 4.9 kernel blacklisted Samsung SSD 8* where as master just blacklists Samsung SSD 840* and Samsung SSD 850*. I know these are completely different versions from mine, but I just want to see if somehow there is a blacklist on a 860 range on debian's kernel |
| 21:05.07 | oxek | is packages.debian.org down for anyone else? |
| 21:05.37 | sney | nope, downfor.io/packages.debian.org |
| 21:05.48 | imMute | oxek: page loads, but searching times out |
| 21:05.51 | oxek | hmm, nice, my ISP is probably blocking debian again then |
| 21:06.05 | jhutchins | yetoo: I've never heard of drives being blacklisted, so I'm no help. |
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| 21:07.23 | jhutchins | Fish-Guts: You don't have selinux or apparmore enabled, do you? |
| 21:07.34 | yetoo | jhutchins: it happens due to trim/acpi/interfacing errors that are temporarily/long-term unresolved |
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| 21:08.23 | johnfg | So, is there anyway, without removing all those programs, like my desktop(!), that I can replace the non-debian pkg with the debian pkg? |
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| 21:09.03 | greycat | download and install it by hand. if it'll let you. |
| 21:09.25 | yetoo | I'm going to reboot as I just belatedly installed buster kernel |
| 21:09.38 | jhutchins | johnfg: I think if you purge it with dpkg it won't remove dependencies. |
| 21:09.43 | jhutchins | greycat: ? |
| 21:09.58 | Fish-Guts | jhutchins apparmor seems to be loaded |
| 21:11.07 | Fish-Guts | https://paste.debian.net/1193010/ |
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| 21:11.56 | greycat | jhutchins: It's really not confusing. He would download the .deb from packages.debian.org or wherever, and try to install it with dpkg -i, and see what explodes. I bet it won't be allowed due to dependencies. |
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| 21:13.05 | johnfg | greycat: jhutchins: Thanks for trying to sort out this mess. |
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| 21:16.15 | johnfg | https://paste.debian.net/1193011/ It didn't explode! |
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| 21:17.14 | greycat | uh... that looks like you didn't actually change anything |
| 21:17.25 | greycat | (1.6.0-11.1+b1) over (1.6.0-11.1+b1) |
| 21:19.00 | jhutchins | Fish-Guts: The only thing I know to do with apparmor is remove it. I know a tinybit about selinux. |
| 21:19.23 | Fish-Guts | selinux doesn't seem to be enable |
| 21:20.13 | jhutchins | Fish-Guts: Have you looked through the logs yet? |
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| 21:20.43 | Fish-Guts | jhutchins no i have not. hold on |
| 21:21.04 | johnfg | greycat: So even though it looked to have installed the debian pkg., it still didn't? Or do I have them both? |
| 21:22.46 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 21:22.48 | Fish-Guts | jhutchins nothing out of the ordinary in the los |
| 21:22.50 | Fish-Guts | *logs |
| 21:22.58 | jhutchins | johnfg: The output of commands, particularly errors, is very important. |
| 21:23.01 | greycat | johnfg: for once, try actually READING what it says. |
| 21:23.53 | jhutchins | syslog, auth, messages, access.log, error.log - restart apache and read what that logs. |
| 21:24.02 | greycat | Go back to the first thing you said, and the first thing I said. You said "it wants to upgrade to this non-Debian version" and I said "you have non-Debian sources". |
| 21:24.20 | greycat | Now decide what you want to do about that. |
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| 21:25.21 | johnfg | Should I just move each list out of the sources.list.d, one-by-one, and see which is the offending repo? |
| 21:25.34 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 21:25.41 | greycat | Unfuckingbelievable. |
| 21:25.46 | johnfg | Doing an apt update inbetween? |
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| 21:28.54 | johnfg | Ok, I got it with the first removal, it was php.list. |
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| 21:29.55 | greycat | If you're still here, you might want to look at "apt policy libenchant1c2a" |
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| 21:30.19 | johnfg | Did you think you'd offended me off? |
| 21:30.26 | johnfg | And I'll look. |
| 21:31.09 | jhutchins | johnfg: It should be indicated in the package name, but it's not. You could search the web for that package name. You could see what info the package has. Is there a README? |
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| 21:33.46 | johnfg | jhutchins: If I'm understanding you, and talking about libenchant, there is the info on its packages.debian.org page. Is that what you were referring to? |
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| 21:37.08 | jhutchins | johnfg: Obviously not, the information on the source page, the information in /usr/share/doc/lib... |
| 21:37.28 | jhutchins | johnfg: THere are queries you can run against dpkg and apt if they've provided info in the package. |
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| 21:42.56 | johnfg | I guess, after viewing the README, and getting rid of the offending repo, and not getting any more message about anything being upgradeable, I'll leave well enough alone. |
| 21:43.19 | johnfg | Thanks again for helping. |
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| 21:44.01 | johnfg | jhutchins: Is there anything else you'd recommend in that regards? |
| 21:45.01 | jhutchins | You should be ok now. You could run apt -f install, but I doubt it'll do anything. |
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| 21:47.58 | whaf | How can I install the intel driver for a videocard? glxinfo says that lvmpipe is used now. |
| 21:48.34 | sney | !i915 firmware |
| 21:48.34 | dpkg | Some Intel UHD GPUs made after 2015 require firmware from userspace for all features to be enabled. This includes Skylake, Kabylake, Broxton, Cannonlake and possibly others. Ask me about <non-free sources> and install firmware-misc-nonfree to provide. |
| 21:49.06 | Fish-Guts | jhutchins i believe i may be making some headway. i have reset all iptable rules and now i get a direct connections refused error |
| 21:49.15 | Fish-Guts | it's not just sitting there anymore |
| 21:49.25 | alexrelis[m] | Okay, side question: why do newer Intel CPUs need firmware when older Intels don't need it? |
| 21:49.45 | johnfg | jhutchins: Ok. |
| 21:49.46 | sney | because intel decided they wanted some driver components to be closed source |
| 21:50.08 | alexrelis[m] | sney: Omg.. that blows. |
| 21:50.15 | sney | yep! |
| 21:50.26 | johnfg | jhutchins: Correct, it didn't do anything. |
| 21:51.38 | Fish-Guts | however, nmap on the domain shows: 80/tcp closed http |
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| 21:53.28 | whaf | sney: firmware-misc-nonfree is installed |
| 21:53.52 | sney | whaf: did you reboot after installing the firmware? |
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| 21:54.23 | whaf | sney: yes |
| 21:54.41 | sney | whaf: which gpu is it? |
| 21:55.25 | whaf | sney: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620 (rev 07) |
| 21:56.42 | sney | whaf: ok, do you also have libglx-mesa0 installed? |
| 21:57.14 | whaf | sney: yes |
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| 21:58.51 | sney | whaf: odd, that should be all you need. maybe try a newer kernel from buster-backports. |
| 21:59.58 | wyoung | I am getting CVE vulnerbilities with my Debian Buster docker image. Any ETA on a fix? |
| 22:00.51 | sney | wyoung: you'll have to be more specific than that, but remember that debian packages often have backported fixes, so the upstream version number being "vulnerable" does not mean it hasn't been fixed |
| 22:01.14 | sney | see security-tracker.debian.org for specific package information |
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| 22:01.46 | whaf | sney: is 5.10 too old? |
| 22:02.16 | wyoung | sney: Backport? so Buster isn't the latest version? |
| 22:03.05 | sney | whaf: no, buster's default 4.19 could be too old depending, but if you're already on 5.10 then it should definitely work. please pastebin your X log and glxinfo output for further support. |
| 22:03.08 | whaf | i think i have the newest one from the sid repo |
| 22:03.22 | sney | whaf: and if you're using bullseye/sid, you are in the wrong channel. see the topic. |
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| 22:04.38 | sney | wyoung: debian stable packages commonly get bug/security patches backported from newer upstream releases. e.g. if openssh version foo has a vulnerability, and openssh version foo+1 from upstream does not, the debian package maintainer will cherry-pick the patch from upstream and apply it to the debian stable package. |
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| 22:08.22 | wyoung | sney: I am refering to this issue: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-25013 |
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| 22:09.51 | sney | wyoung: ok, minor issues are usually fixed all at once and not on a particular timetable. is your system experiencing a specific security issue due to this cve? |
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| 22:10.40 | wyoung | sney: Minor? The scanner I am using tells me the issue is high severity. |
| 22:11.00 | wyoung | NVD severity even of the CVE |
| 22:11.00 | Fish-Guts | jhutchins: still no success with my apache |
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| 22:11.22 | sney | wyoung: debian considers it minor, as you can see from the security-tracker link that you referenced. |
| 22:11.32 | Fish-Guts | jhutchins: still no success with my apache |
| 22:11.38 | Fish-Guts | i'm starting to think my firewall is broken |
| 22:12.09 | Fish-Guts | -A ufw-user-input -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -m comment --comment "\'dapp_WWW\'" -j ACCEPT |
| 22:12.19 | sney | wyoung: cve scanner tools like that are intended as a way to narrow your own security research, their opinions should not be taken as gospel. read the report, look up the bug, compare it to your environment, decide if it is actually a problem relevant to you |
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| 22:12.30 | wyoung | sney: Why is there a difference of opionions there? Debian says minor, NVD severity says high. |
| 22:14.57 | sney | you'd have to ask NVD and the debian security team for the reasons behind their decisions. my personal guess is that NVD skews higher in general to be on the safe side, particularly because they can be cited in corporate environments where a security admin might need something extra urgent looking in order to prompt a manager to update something |
| 22:14.59 | wyoung | Hmmmm, OK, well I don't think I am using iconv for anything. No idea there, my stack is pm2 running a node express app. |
| 22:18.35 | sney | iconv specific to the EUC-KR encoding, even. if you're worried you could possibly have your app reject anything that isn't UTF-8. |
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| 22:21.10 | Fish-Guts | jhutchins i think i found the problem. i reset all iptables entries to default now it seems fine, my guess is that ufw and iptables somehow got conflicted |
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| 22:22.34 | wyoung | sney: I think I interupt all strings as UTF-8 |
| 22:22.48 | sney | then there you go |
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| 22:32.12 | machine_1490 | I'm having some difficulty using https://snapshot.debian.org/ to install an old kernel from September 2020. I tried using apt changelog 4.19.0-16-amd64, but am not quite sure what to do. Could someone give me detailed instructions? Thanks. |
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| 22:36.11 | sney | machine_1490: I usually go to the relevant binary package section and then use my browser's search to find the actual package. to configure it as an apt source, do the same in order to get the date code, then follow the instructions on the snapshot front page |
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| 22:41.12 | Fish-Guts | so jhutchins thanks a lot for your help, i appreciate it |
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| 22:44.48 | machine_1490 | sney, sorry, I'm not great at this. What do you mean by 'go to the relevant binary package section'? |
| 22:44.48 | jhutchins | Good to have something interesting and useful to do. |
| 22:44.56 | jhutchins | Fish-Guts: ^ |
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| 22:45.16 | Fish-Guts | :) |
| 22:45.25 | machine_1490 | What commands can I enter? |
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| 22:50.21 | machine_1490 | I can't see linux-image in https://snapshot.debian.org/package/?cat=l |
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| 22:56.19 | machine_1490 | Is there a guide someone to installing old kernels. I'm having difficulty with the instructions as I don't have enough general knowledge to follow them effectively. |
| 22:56.42 | machine_1490 | *somewhere |
| 22:58.55 | sney | machine_1490: that link is source packages, you should click the l under Binary packages |
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| 23:04.53 | machine_1490 | sney Thanks. So I got here https://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20200901T030541Z/pool/main/l/linux/ Can I just choose one, like say linux-image-3.16.0-6-amd64_3.16.56-1+deb8u1_i386.deb and then download and install it with dpkg? Do I need the headers too? |
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| 23:05.44 | Lope | I don't *use* bluetooth... |
| 23:05.59 | machine_1490 | And I'm guessing I should run a checksum on that too.... |
| 23:06.00 | Lope | but I just wanted to make sure I don't have any bluetooth shit open. |
| 23:06.01 | sney | machine_1490: you could do that, you can also take the date string from the middle of that url (20200901T030541Z, between debian and pool) and use it to add an entry to sources.list as described on the snapshot front page |
| 23:06.30 | Lope | So I ran `rfkill` now and it showed that bluetooth was soft:unblocked hard:unblocked |
| 23:06.39 | sney | Lope: check if bluetooth is listed in lsmod anywhere |
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| 23:06.48 | machine_1490 | sney Cool. And that won't interfere with later updates and so on? |
| 23:06.52 | Lope | I ran `rfkill 0` and now it says bluetooth is soft:blocked hard:unblocked |
| 23:07.16 | Lope | fuck... I do have bluetooth modules loaded :/ |
| 23:07.16 | sney | machine_1490: right, the packages are older, so they won't upgrade over anything. |
| 23:07.29 | sney | Lope: easy fix, blacklist |
| 23:07.41 | machine_1490 | sney Thanks! I wanted to avoid a Frakenbian. |
| 23:07.43 | Lope | yeah, did you know about the root exploit for bluetooth |
| 23:07.49 | Lope | fucking bluetooth crap. |
| 23:07.55 | Lope | it should be a manual install. |
| 23:08.05 | Lope | I've never used this crap ever. |
| 23:08.35 | Lope | okay, so if I had bluetooth unblocked unblocked and kernel module loaded... does that mean my bluetooth was open somehow? |
| 23:08.52 | Lope | or would I need to do something to make a bluetooth hotspot or whatever? |
| 23:09.50 | sney | Lope: it looks like you would need to have a bluetooth daemon running in order to be vulnerable, yes |
| 23:10.08 | Lope | sney, what bluetooth daemons? |
| 23:10.17 | Lope | I wasn't even using wifi. |
| 23:10.43 | Lope | I don't own any bluetooth hardware, but my wifi card has bluetooth support. |
| 23:10.53 | sney | specifically bluez according to the first article I found. |
| 23:11.23 | sney | my hardware does not support bluetooth under linux so I'm just looking this up on the fly right now. if you have more detailed info, feel free to share. |
| 23:11.35 | Lope | cool, I don't have bluez installed. |
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| 23:11.50 | Lope | thanks bud, nah, all good. |
| 23:12.01 | Lope | if I rfkill bluetooth, will it stay killed upon reboot? |
| 23:12.32 | sney | ah, and debian has fixed the issue as well: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2020-12351 |
| 23:13.27 | sney | I'm not sure about rfkill persistence across reboots, if you disable bluetooth in your system's efi or blacklist the driver, that might be more permanent |
| 23:15.21 | machine_1490 | sney How does this look? http://paste.debian.net/1193023/ |
| 23:15.48 | machine_1490 | I added those lines to my sources. Now do I just search for linux-image? |
| 23:16.30 | sney | looks right to me, if apt update complains about the age you may need to add the [check-valid-until=no] part as well |
| 23:17.14 | machine_1490 | okay running update, then I'll apt search linux-image. |
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| 23:18.55 | machine_1490 | It complained. How do I add that age bypass? |
| 23:19.32 | sney | it is also in the instructions on the front page of snapshot.debian.org |
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| 23:23.02 | machine_1490 | sney Thanks. So I ran sudo apt -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update And then apt search linux-image And it didn't show me any old kernels. What did I miss? |
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| 23:25.51 | sney | machine_1490: if you're looking for a specific older version, use 'apt list' or 'apt policy' to check if it's available. |
| 23:28.36 | machine_1490 | sney sudo apt list linux-image-3.16.0-6-amd64_3.16.56-1+deb8u1_amd64.deb gives nothing |
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| 23:28.53 | machine_1490 | and with policy it says it can't find it. |
| 23:29.06 | sney | apt list doesn't know anything about deb files, you just want the version, linux-image-3.16.0-6-amd64 |
| 23:30.21 | machine_1490 | sudo apt list linux-image-3.16.0-6-amd64 find nothing |
| 23:30.48 | sney | save yourself some typing, you never need sudo for searching. |
| 23:30.55 | sney | and I don't think there was ever a 3.16 kernel in buster |
| 23:31.03 | sney | what is your real goal here? |
| 23:31.48 | machine_1490 | Here's my opening question : Hi, lately I've been getting some mce errors (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wWfZzD33Zn/) with my Debian 10 machine. The only issue I notice is longer boot times (it hangs between the brand splash and the grub menu. On ##linux it was suggested that I test an older kernel seeing as the problem is new. I've deleted the old |
| 23:31.48 | machine_1490 | kernels, how can I get the old kernel from around six months ago? Thanks! |
| 23:32.16 | sney | buster's kernel has always been 4.19 since release |
| 23:32.24 | machine_1490 | I guess I could replace buster with stretch in that source then. |
| 23:32.32 | machine_1490 | Hmmm. |
| 23:33.39 | machine_1490 | I installed debian on this machine back in 09/2020 and had a normal boot time. Now I have longer boot times and am just trying to solve the problem. |
| 23:34.02 | machine_1490 | The errors come up at every boot. |
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| 23:35.22 | oxek | machine_1490: it really looks like a hardware issue. If it's a personal machine, disassemble it, clean it out, reseat RAM, CPU and other stuff, reapply thermal paste, check all cables are properly connected |
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| 23:35.34 | sney | that kernel could have been 4.19.0-9 |
| 23:35.38 | oxek | maybe try swapping the power supply or other components |
| 23:36.06 | oxek | mce errors will not happen as a result of software issues, kernel issues included |
| 23:39.42 | machine_1490 | oxek I'll take a look at opening it up then. |
| 23:39.59 | machine_1490 | sney Ah. I'll download that one and test it. Thanks! |
| 23:40.14 | machine_1490 | First kernel test. Then surgery :/ |
| 23:40.21 | sney | oxek is probably right but it doesn't hurt to rule it out |
| 23:40.47 | machine_1490 | oxek Some suggest an issue with the BIOS or microcode... |
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| 23:43.31 | machine_1490 | So, imagine that this 4.10.0-9 solves the issue, would my machine be at risk running an older kernel like that? Also, do I need the headers and to run a grub update or something? |
| 23:43.53 | sney | you need the headers if you're using any out-of-tree drivers, like zfs or nvidia etc |
| 23:44.01 | sney | the kernel will trigger a grub update on its own when you install it |
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| 23:45.15 | sney | as for being at risk, it's hard to say for sure, but if this is your personal computer and you are in a private network, it's likely safe. |
| 23:45.58 | machine_1490 | There are no headers coming up for linux-image-4.19.0-9 |
| 23:46.55 | sney | it would be linux-headers-4.19.0-9 |
| 23:47.01 | karlpinc | machine_1490: You've not updated in a while. |
| 23:47.11 | machine_1490 | oxek What surprises me is that once boote, there are no issues. |
| 23:47.18 | sney | karlpinc: they are intentionally installing an older kernel as a troubleshooting step. |
| 23:47.22 | karlpinc | I see. |
| 23:47.50 | machine_1490 | sney apt search linux-header-4.19.0-9 gives nothing. |
| 23:47.55 | sney | s |
| 23:48.31 | machine_1490 | headers, doesn't give anything either |
| 23:49.06 | sney | then try an earlier date, or just download the deb manually |
| 23:50.41 | machine_1490 | There is linux-headers-4.19-amd64 |
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| 23:52.33 | Apollyon | I have a package that seems to be stuck installing how do I remove it without apt? |
| 23:52.55 | machine_1490 | sney Doesn't exist! I guess I'll just try to boot now? |
| 23:53.03 | sney | Apollyon: pastebin apt's whole output please |
| 23:53.13 | sney | machine_1490: do you need permission? |
| 23:53.45 | oxek | machine_1490: different mce errors can happen during machine start, that don't happen afterwards under typical use of that PC. On windows, you'd get blue screen of death. |
| 23:54.43 | oxek | of course try upgrading/reflashing bios, and making sure you have the debian cpu microcode packages installed too |
| 23:54.49 | oxek | but in general, mce errors are bad |
| 23:55.13 | oxek | linux can live with them a bit more than windows, but it means that machine should not be trusted |
| 23:55.36 | karlpinc | machine_1490: See the output of "/msg dpkg snapshot" via IRC. |
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| 23:57.45 | machine_1490 | oxek Oh no! I've only had it for less than a year. There are no available BIOS updates for it. I guess I'll just keep doing backups if the old kernel and opening it up don't help . |
| 23:57.59 | machine_1490 | going for reboot. Thanks! |