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| 00:00.16 | Celmor[m] | nobody833: that's strange for a cli app to have GUI dependencies |
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| 00:38.09 | sney | Celmor[m]: mtr has a gtk frontend. if you want to install the non-gtk version, install the mtr-tiny package instead. |
| 00:38.29 | Celmor[m] | ah ok, thanks for the tip |
| 00:39.05 | sney | np. |
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| 06:09.28 | Heston | Is there any reason why a debian stretch installation would ever check the cdrom without any interaction from myself? Is it safe to assume ive been rooted? |
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| 06:15.44 | nkuttler | Heston: why do you suspect you've been rooted? git push --set-upstream origin nicolas |
| 06:15.53 | nkuttler | oops |
| 06:16.51 | Heston | why else would my cdrom check for a dis multiple times in a row without me specifically doing it? |
| 06:17.00 | Heston | disk* |
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| 06:19.26 | nkuttler | Heston: how do you know the cdrom checks? |
| 06:19.45 | Heston | it |
| 06:20.00 | Heston | it's a thinkpad and there's a light indicator and you can hear the motor |
| 06:20.27 | nkuttler | and there's a cd in the drive? |
| 06:20.47 | Heston | there isn't |
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| 09:50.25 | cheche | Can I use debian as a router adding a network card? |
| 09:50.25 | br0kenpipe | Hi all, does anyone else have a bug with git? in curl 7.76 a bug was added regarding http2. unfortunately i can't do push/pulls with the current git version (2.29.2). Currently curl 7.74 is installed. The bug was fixed in 7.76.1. I think git was compiled with the wrong curl libraries? I am on buster with backports. The error message is "Failed |
| 09:50.25 | cheche | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.25 | cheche | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.26 | br0kenpipe | sending HTTP2 data". |
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| 09:52.20 | cheche | given that eth0 is the privet network card. ip route add 192.168.0.0/24 via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0 does not do any magic. |
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| 09:53.02 | ratrace | cheche: sure, debian has all the facilities to be a fully fledged router, wifi hotspot, firewall, gateway, ... |
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| 09:53.28 | ratrace | in fact it is used in that role a lot, being able to be rather minimalist and do as told. |
| 09:54.08 | ratrace | cheche: you're asking about a NAT, so you need to set up NAT'ing (SNAT in particular) via packet filter like iptables or nftables |
| 09:54.09 | cheche | ratrace: do you need to use iptables NAT for this setup?. |
| 09:54.23 | ratrace | yes |
| 09:54.55 | cheche | I thought NAT is only used when isp route need to have several devices using same external ipv4 address. |
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| 09:55.41 | ratrace | cheche: you said you wanted to route 192.168/16 to the public internet? you need SNAT for that. 192.168/16 is not publicly routable |
| 09:56.19 | ratrace | you need DNAT if you want "port forwarding", ie. to translate <public_ip>:80 to <LAN_addres>:80 |
| 09:56.26 | ratrace | %s/ie\./eg./ |
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| 09:59.15 | cheche | ratrace: but there is already NAT on the ISP router. I thought that you could tell the debian box. Please for 192.168/24 just go on the eth0 interface. |
| 09:59.31 | cheche | (The main interface is br0) |
| 10:00.27 | ratrace | cheche: if your router is 192.168.1.1, what's the gateway IP ? |
| 10:00.33 | sigint | Your ISP router won't be able to do NAT on both networks |
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| 10:01.05 | cheche | the ISP router is 10.11.97.1 |
| 10:01.22 | cheche | I want to setup a lab network on 192.168.0/24 |
| 10:01.24 | ratrace | cheche: does the IPS router do SNAT from public internet to 192.168.0/24 or 192.168.1./24 ? |
| 10:01.39 | ratrace | you used BOTH subnets in your questions interchangeably, so which one is it? |
| 10:02.19 | ratrace | and I meant SNAT _to_ internet _from_ 192.... |
| 10:02.53 | ratrace | or in other words, which subnet is routable on the LAN side according to your ISP's router? and which subnet do you want to add under it? |
| 10:03.48 | cheche | the subnet that is route on the LAN is 10.11.97.0/24 |
| 10:04.20 | cheche | I want to add another network on the second network card 192.168.0/24 |
| 10:04.23 | ratrace | cheche: okay, and now you want to stick a debian box into that range, and have it gateway into 192.168.0.0/24 ? |
| 10:04.40 | ratrace | okay and for that you need a SNAT as well |
| 10:05.06 | ratrace | you need to NAT between 192.168.0/24 and 10.11.97/24, then your router NATs between 10.11.97/24 and public internet. |
| 10:05.37 | ratrace | note also that the ISP router will be oblivious to your 192.168.0/24 which exists only "under" your debian box 192.168 gateway |
| 10:06.52 | cheche | ratrace: because the debian box keep track of the connexion using NAT table right? |
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| 10:08.13 | th0r | cheche, that 10.11 network address sounds like the isp is using a class A network on the outside. Are you sure there isn't a 192.168 address also assigned to the isp router? |
| 10:08.13 | ratrace | it doesn't have to be stateful, and it can also NAT UDP packets |
| 10:08.25 | sigint | (At this point to avoid putting a NAT on top of another NAT, I would put the ISP router in "modem mode", and have another box be the one and only router NAT for all networks.) |
| 10:09.04 | ratrace | that requires pppoe and that's flakey with some ISPs hardware .... double NAT is not terrible |
| 10:09.38 | cheche | th0r: it was me how setup to allow VPN when I am outsde. |
| 10:09.48 | ratrace | but see which is more suitable, yeah. also that might not be what's wanted here, and a 192.168/16 separate network might be wanted |
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| 10:10.14 | sigint | ratrace, with CGNAT being more common nowadays this setup may actually be 3 layers of NAT... |
| 10:10.48 | cheche | sigint: I tried to put ISP router on bridge mode. and I lose the phone connection!!! |
| 10:10.58 | ratrace | sigint: well.... and even that's not too terrible .... compared to having an ISP that does CGNAT :) |
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| 10:11.44 | sigint | ratrace, sometimes you don't have a choice. This is what I have at home :'( |
| 10:12.59 | cheche | sigint: callme dumb, but this should be fixed using ipv6 right? |
| 10:14.09 | sigint | cheche, bridge mode disables all router functionality of your ISP box. So you need to setup a router/NAT in advance if you want to go this way. |
| 10:14.46 | sigint | Personnally I think this is the best approach, but it requires doing your homework before switching the bridge mode on |
| 10:15.56 | sigint | ISP routers are often very limited, so disabling it and using a box you fully control is often more flexible. |
| 10:16.28 | sigint | Since you want multiple networks, I'd say you need this flexibility but this is just an opinion |
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| 10:17.50 | sigint | The approach ratrace mentionned of using a double NAT will also work and may be easier to setup if you just want to try things |
| 10:19.29 | cheche | sigint: *agreed* |
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| 10:32.15 | jelly | ,v needrestart |
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| 11:02.25 | cheche | *works* just for the record: |
| 11:02.25 | cheche | ----------- |
| 11:02.26 | cheche | /etc/ufw/before.rules |
| 11:02.26 | cheche | *nat |
| 11:02.26 | cheche | :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] |
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| 11:03.00 | cheche | Oh! Sorry! |
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| 11:04.00 | cheche | I wanted to post my solution for the record. Thank you so much!. |
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| 11:07.16 | jelly | cheche, sometimes you need to ask the ISP if you want to use bridge mode, and sometimes you can ask to be removed from CGNAT |
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| 11:12.52 | regaloranium | hello! |
| 11:12.58 | wyoung | Hi |
| 11:13.09 | wyoung | How's your Debian today? |
| 11:13.22 | regaloranium | ^_^ |
| 11:13.26 | regaloranium | good |
| 11:13.35 | regaloranium | but im cant use debian |
| 11:13.56 | wyoung | :O |
| 11:13.56 | regaloranium | because i have troubles whis video drivers |
| 11:14.09 | wyoung | oh noes! What issues? You have a link to your bug report? |
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| 11:14.36 | ratrace | nan' des' ka? |
| 11:15.05 | wyoung | I wish I knew what you were talking about ratrace |
| 11:15.21 | regaloranium | this is not a bug, the system simply writes that dependencies are not satisfied = ( |
| 11:16.12 | regaloranium | my video card is: Radeon R9 290 |
| 11:16.26 | wyoung | regaloranium: Which manufactorure? Is it a Dell? |
| 11:16.36 | regaloranium | Sapphire |
| 11:16.48 | ratrace | regaloranium: can you pastebin the exact error message you're having, please? |
| 11:16.53 | ratrace | this smells of a frankendebian |
| 11:17.31 | wyoung | ratrace: Pastebin is great if you have shares in them, otehrwise use a pasting site that doesn't spam you with ads. |
| 11:17.42 | wyoung | like dpaste |
| 11:17.50 | regaloranium | ratrace: can`t because im install another distribution |
| 11:17.50 | wyoung | Or the one from the topic |
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| 11:18.07 | regaloranium | but i like debian |
| 11:18.42 | ratrace | regaloranium: so you're asking about something you can't even fix now? |
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| 11:19.22 | wyoung | regaloranium: Debian is great |
| 11:19.54 | regaloranium | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.00 | regaloranium | wyoung: yes |
| 11:21.05 | regaloranium | You can love him at least for the fact that you can install only what you need! |
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| 11:21.36 | regaloranium | this is so good |
| 11:21.50 | regaloranium | and apt cool to |
| 11:22.04 | regaloranium | need just wrire: apt install |
| 11:22.49 | regaloranium | not write pacman -S EXAMPLE |
| 11:23.15 | regaloranium | this is wery good |
| 11:24.04 | regaloranium | okay guys im go to install debian =)) |
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| 11:27.13 | cheche | jelly: apparently on the Mitrastar GPT-2541GNAC distributed by Movistar here in Spain, you can delete the VLAN6 and put it on bridge mode. So the VOIP still managed by the router, and you can set a neutral router (with debian). |
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| 11:35.12 | jelly | cheche, that's probably typical, router gets separate VLANs for voice, for iptv, for internet traffic and for management if provider controls the equipment |
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| 12:02.50 | shtrb | Anyone have a clue what could break headset balance when I lower the audio in plasma-pa ? |
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| 12:03.26 | regaloranium1 | test |
| 12:03.29 | shtrb | If I lower the value , it move audio to the right earpiece alone |
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| 12:04.47 | regaloranium | Hello! |
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| 12:10.12 | filePeter | My fresh Debian installation has a hard time displaying unicode emoji. Is there any kind of font you friends can recommend me I install? |
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| 12:13.52 | GNU\colossus | filePeter, try fonts-noto-color-emoji |
| 12:15.53 | filePeter | GNU\colossus: thanks |
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| 12:24.30 | jiggawattz | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.30 | jiggawattz | ð± ð± ð¨ð¨ ð¨ð¨ ð² |
| 12:24.30 | jiggawattz | ð± ð± ð¨ ð¨ ð¨ ð² ð²ð² |
| 12:24.30 | jiggawattz | ð± ð± ð¨ ð¨ ð² ð² |
| 12:24.30 | jiggawattz | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.09 | filePeter | jiggawattz: lovely! |
| 12:26.18 | wyoung | 1.21 jiggawattz |
| 12:27.27 | shtrb | At least it can be produced from recycled food. |
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| 12:28.07 | wyoung | shtrb: Mr fusion isn't real |
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| 12:29.38 | filePeter | ð |
| 12:29.48 | filePeter | GNU\colossus: It works, thanks again. |
| 12:30.11 | EdePopede | shtrb: on a mechanic/electric level everything is fine? happens here too, but also when i max the volume out. have to stay slightly below 100%. |
| 12:31.25 | GNU\colossus | yw |
| 12:34.43 | shtrb | EdePopede, yes , when I inrease the sound all good , or when I click on balance output it goes to proper way |
| 12:34.49 | shtrb | *increase |
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| 12:35.22 | shtrb | wyoung, Doc was a special inventor |
| 12:35.37 | f-a | maybe half on topic but: if I create a pdf document â with, say, scribus â will the font get embedded? Or will I have painful font changes? |
| 12:35.46 | wyoung | shtrb: Doc didn't invent Mr Fusion. |
| 12:36.04 | wyoung | He bought that in the year 2015 |
| 12:36.13 | wyoung | 6 yeasr ago |
| 12:36.15 | wyoung | years* |
| 12:36.37 | shtrb | wyoung, doc was the one who put that into the Delorean |
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| 12:36.44 | shtrb | wyoung, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeLorean_time_machine |
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| 12:37.37 | wyoung | shtrb: I was in the Southern Highlands 2 weeks ago and saw a DeLorean. The number plate was: MPH 88 |
| 12:37.46 | shtrb | :) |
| 12:37.54 | jelly | f-a, that would be a setting in a decent pdf creator |
| 12:37.58 | wyoung | shtrb: He installed Mr Fusion but he didn't invent it |
| 12:38.27 | wyoung | shtrb: Doc invented the flux capacitor, that is all. |
| 12:38.46 | wyoung | He didn;t invent the DeLorean, Putting a Corvette engine in a DeLorean or Mr Fusion |
| 12:38.55 | f-a | jelly: thanks, now to see if scribus does the decent thing :P |
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| 12:53.19 | shtrb | EdePopede, you got that issue also with plasma or some other tool ? |
| 12:55.54 | cheche | f-a: Scribus allows to embed fonts https://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Scribus_Output#Embedding_and.2For_outlining_fonts |
| 12:56.14 | f-a | thanks |
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| 13:16.18 | EdePopede | shtrb: strictly mechanical here, yours is definitely software related? |
| 13:17.01 | shtrb | yes, verified that if I use with xfce this issue does not exist |
| 13:17.09 | EdePopede | though... i had some volume changes while watching a stream in firefox, i should really check next time if something has changed in PA |
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| 13:17.38 | regaloranium | hello |
| 13:18.18 | wyoung | Hi |
| 13:18.37 | EdePopede | Mr. Fusion, Mr. Coffee, Mr. Radar. SF used to be a man's world in the 80s. |
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| 13:19.03 | wyoung | <3 |
| 13:19.05 | regaloranium | how is apt different from apt-get? |
| 13:19.11 | wyoung | I was born in the 80s |
| 13:19.16 | jelly | by about "-get" |
| 13:19.21 | wyoung | regaloranium: the -get |
| 13:19.34 | regaloranium | okay |
| 13:19.48 | EdePopede | wasn't something about interactive vs scripting? |
| 13:20.03 | klys | apt didn't used to be a command |
| 13:20.15 | klys | now that it is, it may as well "get" |
| 13:20.16 | wyoung | klys: yeah, it is newer |
| 13:20.33 | regaloranium | what is your DE? |
| 13:20.38 | wyoung | It is recommended you dont use -get |
| 13:20.43 | regaloranium | why |
| 13:20.54 | wyoung | regaloranium: Because -get is legacy |
| 13:20.55 | shtrb | wyoung, what ? why ? |
| 13:21.01 | regaloranium | okay |
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| 13:21.05 | wyoung | shtrb: Because -get is leagacy |
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| 13:21.09 | jelly | /usr/bin/apt is supposed to be friendlier and encompassing features from both apt-get and apt-cache |
| 13:21.15 | EdePopede | "friendlier" |
| 13:21.22 | EdePopede | "increasing the user experience" |
| 13:21.27 | wyoung | jelly: Newer and non-legacy |
| 13:21.28 | regaloranium | what is your DE? |
| 13:21.33 | klys | this may all be my fault :/ |
| 13:21.51 | regaloranium | im usually use xfce |
| 13:21.54 | shtrb | legacy as to be depcreated or legacy it's old and working lets continue having fun |
| 13:22.00 | jelly | wyoung, newer does not mean the older executables are "legacy" automatically |
| 13:22.06 | regaloranium | but today i install KDE |
| 13:22.09 | EdePopede | now the follow-up question: what about all the other apt-* commands? will they all be integrated into apt? |
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| 13:22.28 | jelly | apt-get and apt-cache were initially written as simple, example clients for the apt library |
| 13:22.33 | EdePopede | !sns |
| 13:22.33 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 13:22.54 | EdePopede | will stay with -get and -cache and -foo for as long as possible |
| 13:22.55 | klys | poop. |
| 13:23.34 | shtrb | also refuse to jump from the good old wagon |
| 13:23.39 | jelly | EdePopede, apt already has a search, and the version in sid has gained some aptitude-like search syntax too |
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| 13:25.15 | wyoung | klys: nice one |
| 13:25.17 | EdePopede | jelly: it really should be nothing but a user preference if someone uses a shiny interface, a swiss army cli tool or just a couple of scripts |
| 13:25.17 | jelly | wyoung, can you point to some documentation that says apt-get is legacy, I don't remember that |
| 13:25.41 | regaloranium | why do need screenfetch? |
| 13:25.57 | EdePopede | can't say right now what command it was, but something works only in aptitude so far, or at least it did before buster |
| 13:26.13 | wyoung | jelly: Sure, gimme a sec while I write one up. |
| 13:26.24 | EdePopede | ,info screenfetch |
| 13:26.26 | judd | Package screenfetch (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Bash Screenshot Information Tool. Version: 3.8.0-8; Size: 56.3k; Installed: 237k; Homepage: https://github.com/KittyKatt/screenFetch; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/screenfetch |
| 13:26.39 | regaloranium | why do many people dislike snapd? |
| 13:26.46 | EdePopede | regaloranium: if you like it, why not. some tool may also make use of it. |
| 13:26.55 | klys | because software attained via snap is non-free |
| 13:27.22 | EdePopede | how good is snap as a concept? |
| 13:27.39 | jelly | concept, good. Execution, ehhhhh |
| 13:27.50 | klys | effective enough for such apps as authy |
| 13:28.23 | shtrb | EdePopede, the same as using meth |
| 13:28.26 | regaloranium | Do you know the game Urban Terror? |
| 13:28.37 | EdePopede | jelly: just like some other newer desktop thingies. *cough* xdg *cough* |
| 13:28.38 | klys | and perhaps skype, and oh: the raspberry pi installer |
| 13:29.18 | shtrb | klys, flatpak have skype and other tools, and actually give you some CONTROL and does not replace apt behind your back |
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| 13:29.38 | EdePopede | skype indeed. nice concept, but left behind, then MS, then electron. How To Kill User Numbers. |
| 13:29.40 | klys | good to know, shtrib |
| 13:30.09 | cheche | regaloranium: Love UrbanTerror |
| 13:30.28 | jelly | microsoft has decent apt repos, skypeforlinux can be installed that way without involving snap |
| 13:30.42 | regaloranium | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.47 | regaloranium | or DVD |
| 13:30.59 | shtrb | regaloranium, you can use good old k3b :) |
| 13:31.03 | jelly | regaloranium, audio CD or data? |
| 13:31.08 | regaloranium | cheche: i too |
| 13:31.13 | regaloranium | data |
| 13:31.45 | jelly | do you just want to burn an existing iso image, or make your own |
| 13:31.49 | regaloranium | Well, what would be, for example, an image of what system realties to write ... |
| 13:32.17 | remline | regaloranium: My primary problem with snap is that it is too slow on my fairly old computer. |
| 13:32.18 | regaloranium | jelly: exiting |
| 13:32.28 | jelly | ,i wodim |
| 13:32.29 | judd | Package wodim (otherosfs, optional) in buster/amd64: command line CD/DVD writing tool. Version: 9:1.1.11-3+b2; Size: 344.4k; Installed: 903k |
| 13:32.39 | jelly | the basic tool. |
| 13:32.46 | regaloranium | okay |
| 13:32.49 | regaloranium | thanks |
| 13:33.15 | regaloranium | i can write a debian image with this program?=) |
| 13:33.44 | regaloranium | I don't want to write to a USB flash drive every time |
| 13:33.45 | jelly | a cd image, yes. For dvd, probably growisofs |
| 13:34.07 | jelly | usb drives are more reusable |
| 13:34.09 | regaloranium | i can write a netinstall image? |
| 13:34.40 | jelly | yes, netinst images are created to be bootable as cd media, as usb disk from the same image |
| 13:34.49 | regaloranium | okay |
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| 13:35.40 | jelly | !-ig |
| 13:35.43 | jelly | !i-g |
| 13:35.43 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual . See also <errata> and <buster release notes>. |
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| 13:36.12 | cheche | regaloranium: eagle and Ramelle best maps for Urban Terror |
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| 13:37.36 | regaloranium | + |
| 13:38.05 | regaloranium | cheche: but some players use cheats |
| 13:38.16 | regaloranium | because this map too popularity |
| 13:38.17 | jelly | https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-unix # lists half a dozen tools to burn CD/DVD on Linux |
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| 13:54.51 | regaloranium | how to install the terminal version of the transmission? |
| 13:56.12 | oxek | regaloranium: apt install transmission-cli |
| 13:56.31 | regaloranium | thank you very much |
| 13:57.14 | jelly | regaloranium, in general it's worth to do: apt-cache search some keywords here, and see what happens |
| 13:57.19 | jelly | apt-cache search transmission command line |
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| 13:57.45 | regaloranium | okay |
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| 13:58.34 | rapid16 | I can't install netstat because of this error ''E: List directory /var/lib/apt/lists/partial is missing. - Acquire (13: Permission denied) |
| 13:58.34 | rapid16 | " |
| 13:58.41 | regaloranium | and to use this version of the transmission you need to install DE? |
| 13:59.39 | regaloranium | rapid16:try to install as root |
| 14:00.04 | rapid16 | I did |
| 14:00.08 | rapid16 | The user is root |
| 14:00.15 | regaloranium | hmm |
| 14:00.17 | regaloranium | reboot |
| 14:00.28 | rapid16 | Wait. It says sudo not found |
| 14:00.30 | regaloranium | =) |
| 14:00.43 | rapid16 | How is sudo not found? |
| 14:00.53 | oxek | rapid16: you didn't install it? |
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| 14:01.09 | regaloranium | apt install sudo |
| 14:01.10 | oxek | it's not installed by default, if you choose to create a root password |
| 14:01.16 | rapid16 | How do you install sudo with root privileges? |
| 14:01.17 | regaloranium | or write su |
| 14:01.34 | regaloranium | su |
| 14:01.34 | oxek | rapid16: switch to root user, then `apt install sudo` |
| 14:01.39 | rapid16 | This is a docker container, I don't know root password |
| 14:01.44 | regaloranium | and password |
| 14:01.58 | oxek | rapid16: `whoami` inside the container |
| 14:02.09 | rapid16 | That says 'www' |
| 14:02.16 | regaloranium | I don't know how to help then |
| 14:02.18 | rapid16 | 'www' is the current user as well |
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| 14:03.15 | oxek | rapid16: `docker exec -it mycontainername /bin/bash` |
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| 14:04.14 | rapid16 | I'm already in an interactive shell |
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| 14:06.20 | oxek | rapid16: then try `su - root` |
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| 14:06.30 | oxek | probably won't work though |
| 14:06.37 | rapid16 | It asks for password |
| 14:07.01 | rapid16 | I really want to destroy my whole setup other than Docker software itself and start over |
| 14:07.16 | oxek | ask whoever made the container to give you details about it |
| 14:07.44 | oxek | usually you'd just create a new image that already has everything you need and then mount all the volumes you're using |
| 14:08.48 | oxek | and for network troubleshooting of containers, you can use an image like nicolaka/netshoot |
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| 14:26.17 | jelly | judd, file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial |
| 14:26.22 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 14:26.44 | jelly | well, it's not a file so that's technically right. |
| 14:26.53 | jelly | apt: /var/lib/apt/lists/partial |
| 14:27.39 | jelly | if that directory is missing, it means the apt package is broken and needs to be reinstalled |
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| 14:55.59 | oxek | it's a docker container, it doesn't really even need apt in it |
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| 14:57.41 | jelly | oxek, okay, but then it's not Debian |
| 14:58.12 | jelly | not in the sense that we can help with anything inside that env |
| 14:58.50 | jelly | it's basically a debian-based unchangeable OS image, then |
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| 15:22.14 | nkuttler | rapid16: docker exec --user=root |
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| 15:41.40 | dob1 | what have I to install to have the network manager applet on xfce? |
| 15:42.03 | rabbadabba | the package name is network-manager-gnome afaik |
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| 15:48.09 | dob1 | I got it but I am not able to manage my wired connection with it |
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| 15:49.52 | rabbadabba | if your wired device is present in /etc/network/interfaces debian will not manage it |
| 15:50.14 | rabbadabba | you can remove it from there and networkmanager can control it |
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| 15:54.55 | dob1 | rabbadabba, right. I forgot about it, thanks |
| 15:55.42 | haijuno | Can someone explain these results to me? Not understanding the numbers: https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/gr_rms/ |
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| 15:57.37 | oxek | haijuno: all you need to know that the best possible option won - which is a neutral option, meaning "We're not gonna get involved" |
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| 15:57.45 | haijuno | Ok |
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| 15:58.54 | rabbadabba | its nice that the debian team took a democratic approach to the issue. |
| 15:59.26 | rabbadabba | instead of speaking on behalf of its community |
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| 16:00.51 | oxek | debian cannot speak on behalf of community, debian can only speak on behalf of debian developers |
| 16:01.02 | oxek | and DDs have decided |
| 16:01.35 | rabbadabba | yep, whereas others just came out without asking |
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| 16:01.59 | oxek | most still come out without knowing all (or even any) facts |
| 16:02.03 | oxek | such is humanity... |
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| 16:17.43 | edocod | Hello! |
| 16:17.49 | haijuno | Hello |
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| 16:18.33 | edocod | I have some extra ethernet ports on my Debian server that I'd like to use as some sort of "switch", basically letting other computers connect to the network through the unused server's ports |
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| 16:19.11 | edocod | I've tried to create a bridge between all the ports, but this doesn't seem to work. The devices can't get an ip from the bridge "switch" |
| 16:19.18 | edocod | Is a bridge what i need, or is there something else? |
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| 16:25.27 | Guest5820 | hey y'all: so I installed firmware-iwlwifi but the wifi still doesn't work I can connect to networks It shows that I'm connected but when I open the browser its not working or when I open hexchat: Network unreachable |
| 16:25.38 | Guest5820 | what |
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| 16:26.21 | Guest5820 | so: I installed firmware-iwlwifi and the wifi still deosn't work |
| 16:26.21 | oxek | do you get IP address? |
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| 16:27.13 | Guest5820 | oxek: ? are you talking to me |
| 16:27.43 | oxek | yes |
| 16:28.12 | Guest5820 | I'm using usb tethering via android |
| 16:28.41 | Guest5820 | right now |
| 16:28.49 | Guest5820 | idk I didn't check |
| 16:28.49 | oxek | that doesn't sound like it would need firmware-iwlwifi |
| 16:29.03 | rabbadabba | well go and check? |
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| 16:29.15 | Guest5820 | ok |
| 16:29.19 | Guest5820 | wait |
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| 16:31.37 | danail | ok |
| 16:31.44 | danail | I typed in ip addr |
| 16:32.30 | danail | and wlp3s0 has two inet's but I couldn't find an IP |
| 16:33.36 | oxek | danail: then you're likely not connected to the wifi |
| 16:33.42 | oxek | what's the adapter? some old intel? |
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| 16:35.14 | oxek | my guess would be that the default mac address randomization is at fault once again |
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| 16:38.07 | danail | can you guys read my messages ? |
| 16:38.36 | danail | hello ? |
| 16:39.05 | oxek | yes |
| 16:39.15 | oxek | what's the adapter? some old intel? |
| 16:39.19 | oxek | my guess would be that the default mac address randomization is at fault once again |
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| 16:42.59 | danail | whats is that how can I fix it ? |
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| 16:44.27 | oxek | create /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/90-disable-wifi-mac-randomization.conf with this content https://0x0.st/-AfQ.txt |
| 16:44.33 | oxek | assuming you're using networkmanager |
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| 16:49.51 | danail | oxek: should I use the 'touch' command |
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| 16:50.07 | danail | and should I use nano ? |
| 16:50.21 | rabbadabba | the text editor doesnt matter |
| 16:51.33 | danail | and the command ? |
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| 16:52.08 | danail | rabbadabba: this name dude :D this is the name we need |
| 16:52.32 | rabbadabba | just make the file with your editor of choice, and use mkdir /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d if it doesnt exist |
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| 16:58.27 | alexrelis[m] | New Debian Project Leader is Johnathan Carter. |
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| 17:00.28 | shtrb | Wasn't he already the one DPL ? |
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| 17:08.26 | alexrelis[m] | shtrb: I believe he was re-elected. |
| 17:08.39 | shtrb | oh |
| 17:08.45 | alexrelis[m] | I wonder if he frequents the IRC channel. |
| 17:09.14 | Unit193 | The official ones on OFTC, yeah. And yes he was re-elected. |
| 17:10.18 | alexrelis[m] | If he's reading this, I hope he focuses his efforts on expanding fast track. |
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| 17:12.14 | alexrelis[m] | Also, I wish Debian Stable had some kind of hardware enablement kernel. So many people have new hardware and install Debian Stable, only to be greeted with a black screen on boot. |
| 17:13.11 | shtrb | Just don't use nvidia |
| 17:13.33 | shtrb | or i915 |
| 17:14.08 | sney | or amd |
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| 17:14.53 | sney | alexrelis[m]: it's the backport kernel, really. there used to be installers distributed with it, but that project was a 1-person effort and abandoned when that developer didn't have time anymore |
| 17:14.59 | Unit193 | In fact, just don't use video cards. |
| 17:14.59 | shtrb | Who needs UI anyway ! |
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| 17:15.21 | alexrelis[m] | My favorite OS and hardware is Debian Potato on a potato. |
| 17:15.46 | Unit193 | sney: Wouldn't it be pretty easy to make an ISO with backports and that installed from backports? |
| 17:15.50 | sney | the problem will be mitigated for a while when bullseye releases. towards the end of a release's time as stable, hardware too new is a common stumbling block |
| 17:15.52 | alexrelis[m] | Or Raspbian on a Raspberry Pie (yes, an actual Raspberry Pie). |
| 17:16.22 | sney | Unit193: aiui, yes. it's just that kmuto was the only one maintaining it. if I were a DD, I'd strongly consider taking over. |
| 17:16.25 | shtrb | Raspbian has nothing to do with debian |
| 17:17.00 | alexrelis[m] | shtrb: I was joking. |
| 17:17.30 | alexrelis[m] | Well Raspbian is at least a fork of Debbie. It is not a pure blend though. |
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| 17:18.27 | sney | raspbian was a binary rebuild of debian for a chip that wasn't supported by debian's own armhf arch. the project was run by a debian developer. "nothing to do with debian" is incorrect, though it gets the same amount of support in #debian as any derivative |
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| 17:19.35 | Unit193 | sney: Any reason you can't anyway? Just as long as you have somewhere to host an ISO? I must confess, I know nothing of the project. |
| 17:19.38 | shtrb | Sorry , was thinking of raspberry os |
| 17:20.48 | shtrb | sney, you remember the fiasco some time ago with pushing packages behind users back ? |
| 17:20.56 | shtrb | that's not in debian |
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| 17:23.05 | alexrelis[m] | If anything, wouldn't it be possible to mimic what Ubuntu's HWE is doing in their installer? |
| 17:23.17 | deadrom | greetings. first time since ages trying to mount cifs from debian. deb10 machine, I try on cli: #Â mount.cifs -o username=xxx,password=yyy //192.168.178.39/video /mnt/synology and get mount error(95): Operation not supported |
| 17:23.45 | shtrb | deadrom, check that you have updated cifs-utils |
| 17:24.05 | deadrom | no idea *which* operation is not supported. target is a synology. shtrb, only installed it, fresh as it gets |
| 17:24.55 | shtrb | deadrom, such error happen for me when my cifs-utils does not correspond to the kernel version or when there failure to attach |
| 17:24.56 | oxek | `mount -t cifs -o username=USERNAME,uid=$USER,gid=$USER,file_mode=0644,dir_mode=0755 //192.168.0.1/share /mnt/share` works here for a synology |
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| 17:26.19 | deadrom | oxek, and the password param? |
| 17:26.28 | oxek | didn't try |
| 17:26.38 | alexrelis[m] | deadrom: A lot of file managers support logging into Samba shares too. |
| 17:26.51 | shtrb | deadrom, can you list or attach to that share ? |
| 17:26.57 | shtrb | using smbclient for example ? |
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| 17:27.11 | deadrom | shtrb, smbclient -L -U... lists shares ok |
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| 17:27.50 | oxek | what debian are you on? |
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| 17:28.19 | shtrb | deadrom, when you do smblicent -L -U ... do you get any errors ? |
| 17:30.03 | oxek | another guess would be to play with the 'vers=' option |
| 17:30.11 | oxek | vers=1.0 or vers=2.0 or vers=3.0 |
| 17:30.24 | shtrb | btw That was smbclient should alert about |
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| 17:31.16 | deadrom | oxek, deb 10.9 |
| 17:31.46 | deadrom | funny: mount -t cifs .... asks for the passwor, *then* says "op not permitted" |
| 17:32.06 | deadrom | shtrb, no, no errors there |
| 17:32.48 | shtrb | does --verbose give you any information ? |
| 17:34.16 | deadrom | shtrb, nah |
| 17:34.24 | oxek | deadrom: did you try the vers? |
| 17:35.08 | deadrom | every other tutorial on the web says "use NFS anyway", but the Synlogy is exporting its content as cifs, now I'm not exactly sure if double-exporting as cifs and NFS gives me trouble. shouldn't, but for sure? |
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| 17:36.29 | deadrom | oxek: vers=1.0 did the trick! |
| 17:36.38 | deadrom | now with fstab... |
| 17:36.59 | shtrb | smbclient should have told you that ! |
| 17:37.12 | shtrb | also , that VERY bad if you system requrie such old connection |
| 17:37.21 | deadrom | shtrb, did not |
| 17:37.24 | sney | classic smbv1, which is legendarily vunerable |
| 17:37.32 | sney | but if it's just on your private network it's not a big deal |
| 17:37.36 | deadrom | only local, not exposed, I'll run with that |
| 17:37.41 | oxek | it's worse, it indicates the synology device is horribly out of date as well |
| 17:37.51 | deadrom | that's what I thought, too :) |
| 17:38.03 | deadrom | it's a 2017 device. gonna write them a hissy email |
| 17:38.36 | oxek | SMBv1 was out of date in 2017 already |
| 17:38.44 | shtrb | deadrom, just make you don't connect this thing to any internet accessible network :D it should be connected to a router that has no internet access , and all client shouldn't also have internet access :D |
| 17:42.05 | deadrom | hell yes. |
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| 18:28.23 | lpancescu | hi, i only see firefox in sid, not in bullseye. does this mean it won't be part of bullseye when released? i was looking into migrating someone from fedora, which uses firefox, that would save them from manually migrating the firefox profile to firefox-esr |
| 18:28.40 | sney | lpancescu: correct, debian stable releases only get firefox-esr |
| 18:28.49 | sney | #817954 |
| 18:28.50 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/817954 in src:firefox (open): «Keep Firefox out of Debian releases»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-03-12; last modified: 2020-06-14. |
| 18:29.00 | lpancescu | sney: forever? |
| 18:29.11 | sney | for the forseeable future, there's more detail in the bug thread |
| 18:29.30 | lpancescu | is reading |
| 18:29.33 | lpancescu | thanks |
| 18:29.35 | sney | np |
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| 18:33.30 | ratrace | lpancescu: however, non-esr firefox is available through other software channels on debian |
| 18:34.13 | lpancescu | ratrace: backports, i guess? |
| 18:34.36 | lpancescu | there used to be mozilla.debian.net, but that seems not to be updated anymore |
| 18:34.46 | ratrace | yes, but I mean there's mechanisms like flatpaks and snaps fully supported (as package managers) on debian |
| 18:34.54 | sney | no backports, but flatpak and some other options https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox |
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| 18:35.35 | sney | from the bug thread above, it sounds like if debian's firefox package was maintained by a team instead of one guy, a backport via the new fasttrack service might be feasible |
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| 18:38.46 | lpancescu | if the flatpak and snap are done by mozilla, this might provide even faster security updates than debian's, there are sometimes delays of several days between the mozilla update and the DSA (I guess compilation dependencies, lots of different archs that Debian supports) |
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| 18:39.51 | lpancescu | isn't snap an ubuntu-only thing, with all the other distros using flatpak? |
| 18:39.52 | oxek | mozilla keeps adding new security bugs faster than fixing old ones |
| 18:39.57 | oxek | hence using firefox-esr makes more sense |
| 18:40.26 | oxek | lpancescu: snapd can be installed on debian, but I would not recommend it. Flatpak is more sane. |
| 18:40.26 | lpancescu | lol, true. some security fixes only apply to firefox, not firefox-esr |
| 18:40.37 | EdePopede | also helps avoiding their improved designs for as long as possible |
| 18:40.42 | sney | someone coming from fedora might not warm up to that notion right away though |
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| 18:41.18 | oxek | fedora is just a testbed for RHEL, I don't understand why one would use it unless one is a redhat developer |
| 18:41.56 | ratrace | because some people prefer !sns |
| 18:42.09 | sney | some people practice sns as a lifestyle, yes. |
| 18:42.09 | lpancescu | fedora uses flatpak more and more... they even plan to stop providing traditional packages for some things like chromium, since upstream provides flatpaks, and the vendored dependencies make it tough even for fedora to package |
| 18:42.43 | sney | also some degree of containerization makes sense for browsers |
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| 18:44.04 | lpancescu | i used fedora for about 6 years, just came back to debian - their quality is impressive, given the pace of change. i got bitten by upstream kernel bugs, though, a number of times... debian stable isn't that old, and i can use my computer instead of scrambling to fix it :) |
| 18:46.09 | oxek | sney: all the browsers belong in a waste container, you're 100% right. |
| 18:46.46 | ratrace | bwahahaha |
| 18:46.51 | sney | lol |
| 18:47.14 | ratrace | dontcha talk dirty about my beloved fox! |
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| 18:47.35 | oxek | more like a raccoon by now |
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| 18:48.56 | lpancescu | it probably makes sense to sandbox all networked applications, although given the exploit chains of several zero days to break out of chrome's impressive sandboxing, up to kernel privilege escalation and take over the whole computer, i doubt flatpak can prevent that |
| 18:49.10 | oxek | red panda? More like a trash panda. |
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| 18:49.42 | ratrace | lpancescu: yes, that's because containers are NOT security boundaries, in fact they do the opposite: they enahnce privilege, in a way |
| 18:50.07 | oxek | !start a browser war |
| 18:50.07 | dpkg | Netscape < w3m! |
| 18:50.11 | ratrace | containers are good for to isolate dependencies, nothing else. be it package dependencies, devices or other kernel facilities |
| 18:50.11 | sney | with modern browser complexity I doubt any 1 thing can offer full protection, it needs the belt+suspenders approach |
| 18:51.05 | lpancescu | no, but selinux is used to lock them down (at least on fedora). that limits the kernel calls they are able to make, making an exploit much more difficult |
| 18:51.14 | sney | we should have a way to tell the browser "stay in your box" and that's probably some manner of a container, aiui the ones we have now are not that |
| 18:51.47 | sney | and selinux/apparmor yeah |
| 18:52.37 | ratrace | lpancescu: much more difficult, but not utterly impossible |
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| 18:52.54 | ratrace | for that reason I run my fox with a custom apparmor profile. |
| 18:52.58 | lpancescu | ratrace: sadly not. |
| 18:54.01 | ratrace | I've seen some security researchers go as far as to run browsers in VMs and then restore the VM images back to a snapshot point when they're done for the session |
| 18:54.17 | ratrace | it's like seeing a bomb squad technician running away. it'd be wise to follow him or her :) |
| 18:54.30 | lpancescu | i was hoping firefox would be rewritten entirely in rust, that might have helped - but mozilla let the rust eam go, i think it won't happen |
| 18:54.53 | ratrace | they might re-hire them now that Linus is on on board with rust in teh kernel |
| 18:55.28 | ratrace | totally looking froward to Debian Rust/Linux 16. |
| 18:55.57 | ratrace | totally this: https://github.com/silvio/rust-coreutils |
| 18:56.27 | ratrace | bye GNU. you were nice'n'all but times 'a'changin' |
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| 19:04.06 | omarek | Hi, I'm trying to OOPS, JUST SOLVED MY PROBLEM ON MY OWN, SORRY!! |
| 19:04.23 | sney | congrats |
| 19:04.52 | omarek | It's because it occured me I'm asking for something basic and easily googleable. |
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| 19:12.11 | _0xbadc0de_ | guys I had my debian 10 system working fine with the hdmi cable connected to a 3070 and then I removed the 3070 and switched the cable to a 3090 and now the screen is rendered in a odd way |
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| 19:12.26 | _0xbadc0de_ | it's as if the terminal is rendered outside of the screen |
| 19:12.32 | _0xbadc0de_ | so I don't see all of it |
| 19:15.36 | ratrace | _0xbadc0de_: tried degaussing it? |
| 19:15.51 | cws | party like its 1999 |
| 19:17.34 | _0xbadc0de_ | degaussing? |
| 19:17.57 | ratrace | _0xbadc0de_: okay I guess you're too young to know.... it's a joke. modern LCDs do have an "auto setup" button too. tried that. I found that helps sometime |
| 19:18.12 | ratrace | %s/that\./that?/ |
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| 19:19.54 | EdePopede | btw, what was the name of that X tool where you could set up the timing parameters and everything interactively? |
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| 19:25.22 | ratrace | EdePopede: xrandr? |
| 19:26.50 | EdePopede | ratrace: not cli, it created a window in the center of the screen, plain X, some values and buttons |
| 19:27.09 | ratrace | doesn't ring a bell |
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| 19:28.20 | EdePopede | ratrace: xvidtune |
| 19:29.41 | EdePopede | odd, it gets a titlebar now, also resizable by alt+rmb. not sure this was possible with the wm i used back then. |
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| 20:56.47 | ratrace | what, no RMS GR drama in teh chan? pfft. aight, imma head out. |
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| 20:59.58 | aisha | o/ |
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| 21:17.11 | jhutchins | Interesting. If you launch a terminal session in xfce with the -fullscreen switch, you can't shrink it or access the menu bar. |
| 21:17.58 | jhutchins | Ah - View menu will let you make it normal again. |
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| 21:20.24 | yanmaani | I have a package but it seems to be the wrong version. |
| 21:20.38 | yanmaani | I'm trying to install a backport of gccgo-go: |
| 21:20.48 | yanmaani | > Selected version '2:1.14~1~bpo10+1' (Devuan Backports:3.0.0/stable-backports [amd64]) for 'gccgo-go' |
| 21:20.55 | yanmaani | (I'm on devuan, but this shouldn't matter) |
| 21:21.05 | yanmaani | then I check the version: |
| 21:21.10 | yanmaani | $ go version |
| 21:21.13 | yanmaani | go version go1.10.3 gccgo (Debian 8.3.0-6) 8.3.0 linux/amd64 |
| 21:21.33 | yanmaani | If I run `which go`, I get /usr/bin/go, which is owned by that package. |
| 21:22.10 | yanmaani | If I look in the changelog, it says it should be version 1.14. |
| 21:22.49 | cws | !devuan |
| 21:22.49 | dpkg | Devuan (https://devuan.org/) is a Debian <derivative>, meant to avoid dependencies on <systemd>. Not supported in #debian, please see #devuan on chat.freenode.net for support. |
| 21:24.37 | yanmaani | This doesn't have anything to do with systemd though |
| 21:24.50 | yanmaani | oh, I need a newer version of the dependency |
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| 21:25.54 | cws | It doesn't matter. Devuan is not supported here. |
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| 21:54.04 | jhutchins | yanmaani: You miss the point. We dont know what devuan has changed compared to stock debian. We only support the latter here. Advice which could fix a problem in debian can often break derivatives. |
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| 21:55.34 | jhutchins | _0xbadc0de_: The only 3060 and 3090 I know of are massive IBM mainframes that take up at least a whole roomm, if not a dedicated building like the 360/370. |
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| 21:58.36 | jhutchins | CRTs, particularly monitors, tended to build up a magnetization of some of the components, which would mess up the display. There was a built in circuit that could be activated to remove the magnetization. Gauss is a masure of the strength of a magnetic field, hence de-gausing. |
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| 22:51.25 | SlimeDiamond | WHOM PINGED ME |
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| 22:55.43 | jhutchins | SlimeDiamond: Who cares? |
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| 22:56.31 | SlimeDiamond | literally nobody |
| 22:56.42 | jhutchins | SlimeDiamond: You're on the internet. Ping happens. DMs happen. Nmap happens. |
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| 23:26.00 | sponix2ipfw | ,v nvidia-dkms |
| 23:26.01 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-dkms' was found in amd64. |
| 23:26.10 | sponix2ipfw | lies |
| 23:26.16 | sney | nvidia-driver or nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 23:26.28 | sponix2ipfw | Hmm thanks |
| 23:27.00 | sponix2ipfw | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 23:27.01 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 390.132-1; stretch/non-free: 390.138-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.181.07-1; buster-backports/non-free: 460.39-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 460.67-1; sid/non-free: 460.67-1 |
| 23:28.37 | sponix2ipfw | I think 460.39 from backports is what actually runs well for my card |
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