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| 00:17.38 | cybrNaut | gzip: stdout: No space left on device <= results when running: update-initramfs -c -t -k all |
| 00:17.41 | cybrNaut | i have 2gb free. How much do I need? |
| 00:18.01 | sney | that message refers to space in /boot specifically |
| 00:18.13 | cybrNaut | ah |
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| 00:20.50 | cybrNaut | i have 7mb there. if i delete the oldest vmlinuz-* file, which I assume is just wasted space, is there anything else I should do, e.g. run update-grub? |
| 00:21.08 | abrotman | if you have a bunch of old kernel packages, uninstall them properly |
| 00:21.17 | abrotman | (unless yu've been compiling your own, etc) |
| 00:21.44 | abrotman | cybrNaut: dpkg -l linux-image-* |
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| 00:22.56 | cybrNaut | thanks |
| 00:23.13 | oxek | I really hope bullseye makes /boot at least 1GB by default |
| 00:23.26 | aaii | Hi Guys, Do you know any good package for planning a day? |
| 00:23.44 | cybrNaut | some start with "rc", which i'm guessing means I already removed |
| 00:24.18 | somiaj | cybrNaut: it means removed, but configuration files are still around. YOu have to purge them to get rid of configuration files |
| 00:24.18 | cybrNaut | so i guess i'll "aptitude remove <oldest image with 'ii' on the line>" |
| 00:24.42 | mutante | aaii: it means it has been remove but the config is still around |
| 00:25.24 | aaii | mutante, I guess wrong mentioning :) |
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| 00:25.48 | mutante | aaii: if you want to delete config as well, there is --purge |
| 00:26.19 | aaii | LoL |
| 00:26.39 | mutante | arr, yes, wrong user,nvm |
| 00:27.14 | aaii | np |
| 00:27.34 | mutante | aaii: gnome-calendar |
| 00:28.59 | aaii | mutante, Thanks , But I need some for CLI mode |
| 00:30.25 | abrotman | you need a CLI-calendar, and vi/emacs isn't enough? :) |
| 00:30.51 | mutante | if you need reminders.. eh.. cron jobs / systemd timer |
| 00:32.16 | somiaj | ,i taskwarrior |
| 00:32.18 | judd | Package taskwarrior (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: feature-rich console based todo list manager. Version: 2.5.1+dfsg-7; Size: 680.6k; Installed: 2236k; Homepage: https://taskwarrior.org; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/taskwarrior |
| 00:32.37 | abrotman | judd: info etm |
| 00:32.39 | judd | Package etm (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: manages events and tasks using simple text files. Version: 3.2.30-1; Size: 287.1k; Installed: 1452k; Homepage: http://people.duke.edu/~dgraham/etmtk/ |
| 00:32.43 | kantlivelong | is there a way to have debuilder/debhelper build a package of a different arch if i already have bin files? |
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| 00:33.21 | somiaj | kantlivelong: how different? LIke i386 on amd64, or a forign arch so you need a cross complier? |
| 00:33.45 | kantlivelong | somiaj: the bins are already cross compiled. i just need to have it build the deb file |
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| 00:37.09 | kantlivelong | what i get is dh: warning: No packages to build. Possible architecture mismatch: amd64, want: armv7l |
| 00:41.53 | somiaj | I'm not sure at this point, you basically need to skip most the build process and only create the package, and I don't know a nice way to automate that. |
| 00:42.13 | kantlivelong | it works for amd64 or if i set arch to all |
| 00:43.43 | somiaj | sounds like it has some arch tests just to ensure you don't make a bad package. Maybe see if there is a way to ignore the arch mismatch test since your binaries are precompiled. |
| 00:44.48 | kantlivelong | thats what i'm hoping to do. just trying to find where that might be |
| 00:45.17 | somiaj | I don't have enough experience to help here, there is #packaging on irc.oftc.net |
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| 02:13.08 | sappheiros | Is Debian suitable for novice programmers? or would you advise some other distribution and then transition later to Debian? |
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| 02:14.12 | dvs | It depends how technically inclined you are. |
| 02:15.07 | sappheiros | Is it suitable for someone with programming ability, or ability to learn, but who wants things to "just work" and have documentation to follow? |
| 02:15.33 | sappheiros | I'm accustomed to Ubuntu, was looking at Linux Mint, then thought maybe I should "grow up" and use Debian. |
| 02:16.14 | dvs | sappheiros: if you've already used Ubuntu then you have a pretty good chance with Debian. |
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| 02:16.46 | sappheiros | Is Cinnamon a stable desktop environment, or would you recommend a more stable one to minimize potential for problems? |
| 02:17.12 | dvs | I've never used Cinnamon. |
| 02:25.21 | sappheiros | Which desktop environment do you prefer? |
| 02:25.47 | dvs | I use KDE and xfce |
| 02:26.02 | sappheiros | What are your reasons for each? |
| 02:26.50 | dvs | sappheiros: I like KDE's look and feel and use xfce for a lightweight GUI over VNC. |
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| 02:29.54 | sappheiros | i.e. for remote desktop so there's less visuals to download? |
| 02:30.48 | dvs | yes, less computations for GUI. |
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| 02:55.58 | rockworld | hi debian channel :) |
| 02:57.07 | rockworld | I need to activate shell_exec in my php.ini configuration, but when I check in php.ini there is nothing about shell_exec to uncomment, does anybody know what to do ? |
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| 02:59.11 | sney | rockworld: in debian, extra php.ini directives are usually under mods-available and symlinked to the appropriate conf.d. see for instance, 'ls -l /etc/php/7.3/fpm/conf.d/20-sockets.ini' |
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| 03:00.15 | rockworld | ls: cannot access '/etc/php/7.3/fpm/conf.d/20-sockets.ini': No such file or directory |
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| 03:00.40 | sney | that was an example that I figured would be enabled by default, you can pick a different .ini file from that directory to see what I mean |
| 03:01.19 | rockworld | my php.ini is located at /etc/php/7.3/apache2/php.ini |
| 03:01.53 | sney | hm, prefork. you should consider changing that if this is not a legacy webapp. |
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| 03:04.07 | sney | anyway, just add the parameter you need to php.ini if it isn't in a conf.d or mods-available dir somewhere. |
| 03:04.58 | rockworld | hum thats a good question so I have to search for this parameter in other conf file |
| 03:07.00 | sney | do you have a /etc/php/7.3/mods-available dir? |
| 03:07.15 | rockworld | yes I do |
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| 03:07.48 | sney | ok, and /etc/php/7.3/apache2/conf.d ? |
| 03:08.00 | rockworld | but nothing about php.ini file |
| 03:08.06 | rockworld | yes I have that too |
| 03:08.51 | sney | ok. your php.ini will have something like "include conf.d/*.ini" in it, that means it also used anything from the files in conf.d |
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| 03:09.11 | sney | and the files in conf.d are symlinks to mods-available that you also have |
| 03:09.26 | rockworld | right thats interesting |
| 03:09.35 | sney | so you enable the configuration in the mods-available file, symlink it to conf.d, and it just works after the reload. it keeps things organized. |
| 03:09.58 | rockworld | do you think it will be activated |
| 03:10.06 | rockworld | the parameter |
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| 03:10.34 | sney | if you follow the procedure I just mentioned, yes |
| 03:10.42 | rockworld | so I need to uncomment "include conf.d/*.ini" |
| 03:10.51 | rockworld | I will check for that in php.ini |
| 03:11.06 | sney | it should not be commented, this is how php works on debian. |
| 03:11.19 | rockworld | alright mate |
| 03:11.35 | sney | *you* need to check the files in mods-available for the parameter you need. then *you* need to symlink that file to conf.d. and if it isn't there, then make one yourself. |
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| 03:12.47 | rockworld | that sounds right but which file so lol I have to search everywhere for this parameter :) |
| 03:13.18 | sney | that's what grep is for. |
| 03:13.54 | rockworld | I dont know how to use it :D, im still learning a lot on debian friend |
| 03:14.01 | sney | no time like the present |
| 03:14.44 | rockworld | so there is a command I can type that will look all files for shell_exec? |
| 03:14.46 | sney | https://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_04_02.html |
| 03:15.51 | rockworld | man I really like irc community they are the best helper for long time |
| 03:16.06 | rockworld | thanks a lot |
| 03:16.09 | sney | np |
| 03:17.06 | rockworld | my english is a bit weird thats more difficult for me to understand but Im not too bad so just enough to understand a few thing |
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| 03:31.04 | rockworld | sney: so the command will be "grep shell_exec /etc/php/7.3/mods-available/* " |
| 03:31.13 | sney | !tias |
| 03:31.13 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 03:32.13 | rockworld | I tryed and it doesnt show anything lol |
| 03:32.34 | sney | then the pattern is not there, and you will have to make your own ini file and symlink it. |
| 03:34.16 | rockworld | can you help me found a tutorial on that by google or something |
| 03:34.25 | rockworld | Im looking but there is nothing :x |
| 03:34.35 | sney | there is no tutorial, just look at the other files, and imitate the way they do it |
| 03:35.08 | sney | your /etc/php is full of examples. follow them. |
| 03:35.40 | rockworld | sney: thanks I agree |
| 03:36.58 | rockworld | the tutorial im following been made on php 5 |
| 03:37.42 | sney | did you check on php.net to make sure the functions you need are in php 7? |
| 03:37.43 | rockworld | but it should work on php 7 |
| 03:38.48 | rockworld | I didnt mate |
| 03:39.02 | rockworld | I will :) |
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| 03:48.21 | rockworld | emp |
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| 04:35.28 | rockworld | can we use php5 and php7 at same time ? |
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| 04:43.01 | rockworld | cause I need php_json extension on PHP5 |
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| 04:43.58 | themill | php5 is nowhere in Debian packages (but you can using the sury.org packages for it if you're desperate) |
| 04:45.14 | rockworld | xD |
| 04:45.36 | rockworld | but I need extension from php5 and php7 at same time so I hope that can work |
| 04:45.56 | rockworld | I will check to find the repository I need |
| 04:47.02 | rockworld | so this is the link im looking for right https://packages.sury.org/php/dists/buster/Release.gpg |
| 04:51.16 | themill | I don't know what you mean by "extension from php5 and php7 at the same time" |
| 04:51.24 | themill | Do you already have php5 and php7 installed? |
| 04:51.45 | rockworld | I have php7 but Im installing php5 rn |
| 04:51.59 | themill | why do you want php5? |
| 04:53.22 | rockworld | cause I need to enable php_mysqli, php_curl & php_fileinfo |
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| 04:53.28 | rockworld | on php7 |
| 04:53.44 | rockworld | and on php5 I need php_json |
| 04:54.20 | rockworld | but I enabled on php7 what I was needing |
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| 04:57.20 | themill | you don't need anything from php5 if you want things for php7 |
| 04:58.23 | themill | If you want these modules for php7 then you'll find that they are packaged for Debian already and you should just install them. |
| 05:00.19 | rockworld | hum ok cause I need to make this tutorial to install my websocket server " https://pastebin.com/7TX5h880 " |
| 05:02.25 | rockworld | I just need to figure how to enable "php_json & shell_exec" |
| 05:02.48 | rockworld | on php7 if this is possible |
| 05:04.59 | rockworld | there is a package call php-json |
| 05:05.07 | rockworld | I will install this |
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| 05:05.18 | rockworld | but I dont know if I can activate in configuration |
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| 05:06.14 | rockworld | this is for php 8.0 :x |
| 05:07.28 | rockworld | k I found that is installed for php7.3 |
| 05:09.48 | rockworld | k I found it Im going to enable it |
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| 05:12.48 | themill | Not sure what tutorial you're following or why. It looks pretty old and you might be better off with something about 5 years newer. |
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| 05:13.49 | rockworld | thats a chat that we buyed for our website radio |
| 05:14.12 | rockworld | they have a lot of good content on it but maybe like you say it need to be updated |
| 05:14.59 | rockworld | do you know where can I activate this shell_exec in php config |
| 05:15.20 | rockworld | there is nothing in it about it when I used grep it didnt give any output lol |
| 05:15.56 | rockworld | I found json config it was already enabled by default |
| 05:16.10 | rockworld | the last thing now is shell_exec |
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| 05:29.29 | n0cto | does newer versions of debian come with systemctl? |
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| 05:32.25 | alkisg | n0cto: since at least 8 years now... |
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| 05:34.45 | tarzeau_ | about the same time since devuan exists? |
| 05:35.43 | klys | that would make sense, since devuan uses sysvinit instead, and systemctl is a too for use with systemd. |
| 05:35.54 | klys | tool* |
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| 06:04.00 | TheBigK | is it actually 8 years now? rly that long? |
| 06:04.15 | TheBigK | man, im old... |
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| 10:05.52 | ychaouche | hello #debian |
| 10:06.41 | ychaouche | What's a command that tells me if a particular package is installed or not ? I used dpkg -s <packagename> but it has lots of output. Is there another way or is that the preferred way ? |
| 10:09.01 | ychaouche | dpkg-query -l seems nice |
| 10:09.05 | jelly | that is the preferred way, but if you want a casual look, dpkg -l packagename |
| 10:09.47 | jelly | if SECOND character in the line for that package is "i" the package is installed |
| 10:10.08 | jelly | dpkg -l ychaouche'sstuff |
| 10:10.08 | dpkg | No packages found matching ychaouche'sstuff |
| 10:10.17 | jelly | dpkg -l ychaouche'sstuff |
| 10:10.32 | dpkg | ii ychaouche'sstuff 2.4-4.1 jelly's private stamp collection |
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| 10:10.45 | alkisg | There's also `dpkg-query -W htop` for even smaller output... |
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| 10:11.23 | ychaouche | alkisg: I like dpkg-query -W |
| 10:11.28 | ychaouche | thanks for that |
| 10:11.39 | alkisg | np |
| 10:11.46 | ychaouche | jelly: dpkg -l seems to be identical to dpkg-query -l |
| 10:12.28 | jelly | yes, dpkg command can be a front for dpkg-deb, dpkg-query, etc |
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| 10:24.18 | themill | Note that "is it currently installed" doesn't mean it's not about to be removed in the next apt run etc |
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| 11:53.53 | TheBigK | i have an interesting problem to think about. may be someone came across something similar in the past. i have an apache webserver which does work as a balancer between tomcat backend servers... I use JSESSIONID as a stickysession cookie. the problem is, that the decision which appserver is used is based on the overall number of requests while the decision is only made when the user has no JESSIONID set. that means we have not a |
| 11:53.53 | TheBigK | very balanced user to appserver balancing in it. is there a better way than just splitting the workers between no session id and having a session id that i just count the traffic before the user is logged in? |
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| 12:13.25 | jelly | TheBigK, do the backends share session state? |
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| 12:13.58 | TheBigK | jelly: no. its just the cookie in the browser... when u delete the cookie u lose the session |
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| 12:14.36 | jelly | then you don't have other options but to use sticky session |
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| 12:15.34 | TheBigK | jelly: i know. the question if i can split the traffic between not logged in and logged in... but i probably need to balancers for that... which means doubling the heartbeat... which is kind of expensive in its way |
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| 12:15.48 | TheBigK | * two balancers |
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| 12:17.42 | jelly | I don't remember what the options were in mod_proxy, we mostly switched to haproxy instead |
| 12:19.32 | jelly | try asking in #httpd |
| 12:19.40 | TheBigK | u read my mind... already did |
| 12:21.08 | TheBigK | i read the documentation... didnt see anythign that would fit my needs... :) |
| 12:21.08 | jelly | and/or investigate other options for reverse proxy frontend |
| 12:21.08 | TheBigK | like ? |
| 12:21.08 | jelly | haproxy, or maybe nginx |
| 12:21.08 | TheBigK | i never used haproxy. and i wouldnt think switching to nginx would help me there... |
| 12:21.33 | jelly | don't think, investigate |
| 12:21.36 | TheBigK | i just say fuck u developers... u develop ur freaking application stateless... and im done ;D |
| 12:22.03 | TheBigK | im kidding obviously ;D |
| 12:22.19 | jelly | or ask the devs to add a distributed db for session state (redis, mongo) |
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| 12:23.07 | TheBigK | thats what i meant... but i believe thats not as easy said as done... im pretty happy that the devs doing microservices have to develop stateless :) |
| 12:23.31 | TheBigK | that makes my life a lot easier |
| 12:25.24 | TheBigK | jelly: why did u move to haproxy? im just curious. any specific reasons? besides performance obviously |
| 12:32.47 | ljmf00 | debian staff, the ipv6 A record is down for deb.debian.org, right? |
| 12:33.06 | TheBigK | ljmf00: no its not |
| 12:33.23 | TheBigK | debian.map.fastlydns.net. |
| 12:33.23 | TheBigK | 2a04:4e42:62::644 |
| 12:33.56 | TheBigK | deb.debian.org is a CNAME |
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| 12:35.39 | TheBigK | also the primary nameserver respond the same as my local DNS... so everything is fine |
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| 12:48.30 | jelly | TheBigK, compared to apache, flexibility |
| 12:49.18 | jelly | ljmf00, deb.debian.org is a CDN. Even if you see the same IP it might be routed to a different machine close to you, and that one might be down |
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| 13:01.22 | TheBigK | jelly: but he asked for the record... i was just very exact with my answer ;D |
| 13:02.37 | TheBigK | sometimes theres something evil in me :p |
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| 13:38.48 | H-var | hello, can somebody help me out a little, please? |
| 13:39.01 | H-var | I am following this article to compile a kernel on debian: https://rev2.vasanthdeveloper.com/compiling-the-linux-kernel-on-ubuntu-debian/index.html |
| 13:39.19 | H-var | but during compilation, somewhere in the middle, I am getting this error |
| 13:39.46 | H-var | and I am a complete newbie, but I need to compile this kernel because of the hardware that I have that is not yet supported on debian |
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| 13:39.59 | H-var | so I need to compile it on my own in order to make my new hardware work |
| 13:40.13 | wintersky | which release did you pick? |
| 13:40.18 | ratrace | H-var: which kernel are you compiling, what patches are you adding? |
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| 13:41.02 | wintersky | you could go the kernel,org kernel |
| 13:41.33 | H-var | I think I have enabled all of the possible options, and I am trying to compile the 5.12 kernel |
| 13:41.36 | ratrace | H-var: also what error |
| 13:42.04 | H-var | I lost the log, so right now I am re-compiling it again in order to be able to get the error again so I can share it |
| 13:42.22 | H-var | I will paste the output of the terminal in a second |
| 13:42.26 | H-var | it doesn't go too far |
| 13:43.22 | ratrace | H-var: do you know if your hardware is supported in 5.10? Do you know you really need 5.12+ ? |
| 13:43.40 | wintersky | the safwest way to compile the kernel on debian is to copy the config from /boot to your kernel source directory |
| 13:44.14 | H-var | i contacted the intel's developer of the driver for intel AX210, and they informed me that it is supported from 5.11 and on |
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| 13:44.49 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 13:44.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-6-686 (5.10.28-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-6-686 (5.10.28-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (5.10.24-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-16-686-pae (4.19.181-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.16-686 (4.19.181-1~deb9u1); jessie- |
| 13:44.51 | judd | backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
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| 13:45.58 | ratrace | H-var: also, do you have nvidia proprietary driver or any other DKMS module? |
| 13:46.49 | H-var | here is the error: http://paste.debian.net/1195526/ |
| 13:47.05 | H-var | I'm on AMD with integrated graphics |
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| 13:48.08 | jelly | !kernels |
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| 13:48.10 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 5.12, mainline: 5.12, stable 5.11: 5.11.17, longterm 5.10: 5.10.33, longterm 5.4: 5.4.115, longterm 4.19: 4.19.189, longterm 4.14: 4.14.232, longterm 4.9: 4.9.268, longterm 4.4: 4.4.268, linux-next: next-20210428 |
| 13:48.21 | ratrace | H-var: ah that's about EFI certificates... |
| 13:48.23 | towo^work | H-var, remove the debian cert from your .config |
| 13:48.29 | wintersky | you might want at ##linux or pick a prebuilt kernel with pinning |
| 13:48.54 | wintersky | ask at ##linux * |
| 13:49.15 | towo^work | why he should |
| 13:49.17 | towo^work | ? |
| 13:49.25 | jelly | H-var, please also file a bug to for the 5.10 kernel package, debian kernel team does backport drivers if feasible |
| 13:49.31 | towo^work | the problem comes because he is using the config from debian |
| 13:49.33 | ratrace | H-var: comment out the CONFIG_SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYS, is the fastest workaround, but _best_ one is to supply a certificate |
| 13:50.32 | H-var | I found it: CONFIG_SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYS="debian/certs/debian-uefi-certs.pem" |
| 13:50.38 | H-var | what do I do with this line? |
| 13:50.49 | ratrace | comment it out, put a # in front of it |
| 13:50.50 | towo^work | comment it |
| 13:51.15 | H-var | but my UEFI system will be able to load, right? |
| 13:51.34 | ratrace | run `make clean` and rerun `make bindeb-pkg` |
| 13:51.36 | trysten | i just figured out how to get Mutt to reconnect to an IMAP mailbox! |
| 13:51.54 | ratrace | H-var: should be able to yes, just without secureboot |
| 13:53.23 | ratrace | H-var: oh also, compile faster by giving make a -j with numer of cores you have. so if oyu have 4, make -j4 bindeb-pkg .. assuming you want to give it that many |
| 13:53.37 | jhutchins | Sigh. I keep telling people: the purpose of secureboot is to prevent people from installing linux. |
| 13:53.58 | ratrace | H-var: oh you already are using -j . okay. |
| 13:54.06 | jhutchins | If you think you need it, there's something you don't understand. |
| 13:54.54 | ratrace | jhutchins: I don't disagree but modern hardware is increasing refusing to boot without secureboot |
| 13:55.00 | ratrace | somethign something microsoft contract something something |
| 13:55.12 | jelly | trysten, well?? |
| 13:55.46 | jelly | you don't say something like that and then leave us hanging |
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| 13:57.04 | H-var | how can I make a UEFI certificate for debian? |
| 13:57.09 | H-var | is it easy? |
| 13:57.24 | H-var | so I won't have to uncomment it? |
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| 13:57.40 | H-var | comment* |
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| 14:00.49 | jhutchins | ratrace: Every implementation I know of has the ability to disable it. |
| 14:01.38 | H-var | is it possible that some of my debian packages will stop working, if I install kernel 5.12? |
| 14:01.57 | H-var | all my packages are from the debian's repositories |
| 14:02.14 | jhutchins | H-var: That's the thing about un-tested software: we don't know. |
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| 14:03.09 | H-var | well, is this something that is likely to happen, or it happens only rarely? |
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| 14:03.17 | H-var | usually |
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| 14:04.06 | wintersky | just pin a prebuilt kernel from sid |
| 14:04.11 | wintersky | it is not hard |
| 14:04.41 | jhutchins | wintersky: He wants a developmental kernel that isn't in sid yet. |
| 14:05.11 | wintersky | then tell him to pick a realese that builds with the /boot debian config |
| 14:05.15 | jhutchins | H-var: The nice thing is you can boot to a previous kernel if the new one fails. |
| 14:05.18 | wintersky | since he wont listen to me |
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| 14:09.16 | H-var | my problem with the /boot debian config is that I am doing all this in order to get a support for this new hardware |
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| 14:09.39 | H-var | and it is not registered in /boot config because the current kernel cannot understand it |
| 14:09.55 | H-var | so I have to detach the hardware in order to be able to boot at all |
| 14:10.17 | H-var | so using the /boot config is useless for my purpose... |
| 14:10.20 | H-var | :( |
| 14:11.30 | wintersky | ok so |
| 14:11.34 | wintersky | use the config from /boot |
| 14:11.35 | wintersky | and |
| 14:11.49 | wintersky | adjust it for your needs with menuconfig |
| 14:12.07 | wintersky | then build it and you should be fine |
| 14:12.12 | H-var | but I do not know what I need to enable. Can you help me? |
| 14:12.36 | H-var | I need full support for intel AX210, both wifi 6 and bluetooth |
| 14:13.14 | wintersky | you can search trought menuconfig |
| 14:13.21 | wintersky | just hit "/" |
| 14:13.30 | wintersky | then enter what you want and hit enter |
| 14:13.43 | wintersky | you can go like / and then ax210 |
| 14:15.13 | wintersky | that's the easy way |
| 14:17.24 | ljmf00 | TheBigK: maybe it's my ipv6 routing not properly working. There's a way to force apt to use ipv4? because pinging ipv4 is working just fine |
| 14:19.39 | jelly | ljmf00, echo 'Acquire::ForceIPv4 "true";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99disable-ipv6 |
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| 14:19.48 | Dagger | use `apt-get -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true` |
| 14:19.58 | Dagger | don't disable it permanently just because of a temporary routing issue... |
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| 14:21.24 | H-var | wintersky "No matches found. " ehh.. |
| 14:21.43 | H-var | there are no matches for ax210 |
| 14:21.49 | jelly | dpkg, apt noipv6 is apt/apt-get/aptitude -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true ... for a one-time run, or echo 'Acquire::ForceIPv4 "true";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99disable-ipv6 for a more permament disabling of ipv6 access to repositories |
| 14:21.50 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
| 14:21.56 | wintersky | maye it's called otherwise then |
| 14:21.56 | H-var | it's probably called something else |
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| 14:22.46 | H-var | the codename is typhoonpeak |
| 14:22.53 | wintersky | what is this ax210 device then? |
| 14:22.54 | H-var | for ax210 in linux community |
| 14:23.04 | wintersky | what is this ax210 device btw? |
| 14:23.25 | H-var | it's the latest network gadget from intel |
| 14:23.34 | H-var | it supports wifi 6 and bt 5.2 |
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| 14:23.56 | wintersky | and which kernel sources did you get? |
| 14:23.57 | H-var | it's made for mini pci-e and costs only 18 bucks |
| 14:24.49 | H-var | I got me those 5.12 ones |
| 14:25.39 | H-var | wintersky is there a command to automatically say yes or "m" to all the things possible in the kernel during compilation? |
| 14:25.55 | wintersky | well |
| 14:25.56 | H-var | like make deb-pkg -Y all or something like that? |
| 14:26.02 | wintersky | you caould make every driver a module |
| 14:26.35 | H-var | the only drawback is the space required, right? |
| 14:26.56 | H-var | it won't use any other system resources, if I compile everything that there is, right? |
| 14:27.16 | wintersky | yerah but you'll need initrd and i'm unsure will it work at all |
| 14:27.28 | H-var | I mean it does not load those unneded drivers etc into the system right? Only the ones necessary? |
| 14:27.38 | wintersky | so what's the exact release you want to build again? |
| 14:27.52 | H-var | I wanted to try if it will work on 5.12 |
| 14:27.52 | wintersky | i'm igor to help you out so tell me the precise number |
| 14:28.04 | wintersky | you said you need at least 5.2 |
| 14:28.06 | wintersky | ok |
| 14:28.22 | H-var | 5.12 |
| 14:28.25 | wintersky | downloading 5.12 as we speak |
| 14:28.44 | H-var | I'm currently on debian with bullseys-backports enabled, 5.10.0-6-amd64 |
| 14:29.05 | jelly | H-var, 5.10 fails, right? |
| 14:29.14 | H-var | can you please tag me so I can see the message later because I need to go to work T_T |
| 14:29.28 | H-var | yes, 5.10 fails to load the bluetooth and usb part of the device |
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| 14:29.44 | ljmf00 | <jelly "ljmf0null, echo 'Acquire::ForceI"> thanks :) |
| 14:29.45 | jelly | oh, but wifi works |
| 14:30.01 | H-var | yes, buyt only wifi 2.4ghz |
| 14:30.16 | H-var | wifi 5ghz and 6ghz are supported in 5.11> |
| 14:30.48 | H-var | but the bluetooth part breaks the system during boot, creating an infinite loop of trying to recognize the device |
| 14:30.54 | H-var | aver and over forever |
| 14:31.33 | jelly | fun |
| 14:31.55 | JyZyXEL | nice to hear as i got a AX210 waiting in the mail :) |
| 14:35.07 | wintersky | H-var: i think you want the ipw2100 driver |
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| 14:35.28 | wintersky | to be safe you can set all intel wireless drivers build as modules |
| 14:35.47 | wintersky | then use lspci -k to see which one gets in use |
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| 14:38.03 | wintersky | also, remember about firmware |
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| 16:02.53 | lejocelyn | Hi, is there someone speaking fluently Lithuanian by any luck ? :D |
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| 16:03.34 | lejocelyn | if so, what do you think of the pavardė in Gabija Eglėkutė? |
| 16:04.19 | lejocelyn | sorry, it might be a bit out of topic for this channel, maybe contact me by private message |
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| 16:07.13 | segamain | is repo and source the same thing ? |
| 16:09.37 | alkisg | segamain: repository is a web site with debian packages. "apt source" is a URL to a debian repository. "source code" is the code of a program. |
| 16:09.53 | alkisg | cat /etc/apt/sources.list, to see some "apt sources" |
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| 16:14.29 | segamain | how can I delete a non debian repo ? I don't see any in the apt source.list btw ? |
| 16:15.29 | sney | segamain: jhutchins already answered your question in the other #debian, please don't crosspost |
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| 16:16.12 | ndorf | segamain: check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory as well |
| 16:17.13 | segamain | ndorf: thx |
| 16:17.19 | jelly | how many #debians are there?!?! |
| 16:17.43 | segamain | jelly: 5 |
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| 16:22.26 | segamain | is it normal that the 'sources.list.d/' is empty ? |
| 16:24.00 | GNU\colossus | yes |
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| 16:42.55 | segamain | what are binaries ? |
| 16:43.07 | greycat | In general, it refers to a compiled program that can be executed. |
| 16:44.32 | greycat | But in Debian, binary packages may contain things other than compiled programs. Scripts, data files, etc. In that case, it means ready to be installed and used. |
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| 17:58.10 | wwilliam | is there anyway to see the output of pssh I am using -v but the only thing i get is "success" any ideas? |
| 18:00.34 | greycat | I can't seem to find a man page for it at manpages.debian.org. Hmm. |
| 18:00.44 | sney | the man page on linux.die.net says to use -P |
| 18:01.13 | greycat | Does it truly not have a man page in Debian, or is that the web page being borked? |
| 18:01.57 | greycat | https://packages.debian.org/buster/all/pssh/filelist shows /usr/share/man/man1/parallel-ssh.1.gz |
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| 18:02.29 | wwilliam | Ok I will use -P Thank you. |
| 18:02.37 | greycat | so I guess it's https://manpages.debian.org/buster/pssh/parallel-ssh.1.en.html |
| 18:04.02 | wwilliam | Thank you greycat -P worked. |
| 18:04.08 | greycat | wasn't me. |
| 18:04.54 | greycat | Also, this man page is a complete disaster. The command name is misspelled multiple times (three "l" in a row instead of two), there are block of text that overlay each other, etc. |
| 18:05.48 | greycat | (The two options in between -e/--errdir and -O/--options are unreadable because there are two lines that overwrite each other, in google-chrome-stable.) |
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| 18:06.44 | greycat | The two options after -O/--options look like they are supposed to be -A/--askpass and -i/--inline but those are also overwriting each other. It's just easier to read those through the overlay botch. |
| 18:07.32 | greycat | And following that pattern, it appears that the thing that looks like -Pprint on my browser is really supposed to be -P/--print but it's hard to tell that. |
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| 18:09.47 | wwilliam | sney: Thank you that -P worked. |
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| 18:12.17 | oxek | I would have fixed so many mistakes in many manpages, if only it was easier to submit those fixes |
| 18:14.44 | jelly | oxek, if you have a salsa account you can roam around and send merge requests |
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| 18:15.06 | sney | emailing patches is easy enough too, I'm sure the issue is with troff |
| 18:15.28 | oxek | isn't it still the case that most packages are not being handled through salsa? |
| 18:15.42 | jelly | many are, may still are not |
| 18:15.50 | jelly | many* |
| 18:15.50 | sney | the more active ones are, afaict |
| 18:16.09 | oxek | unfortunately it is mainly the inactive packages that need these sorts of fixes |
| 18:17.06 | jelly | step 1) become a DD step 2) do so many NMU uploads |
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| 18:19.28 | sney | less steep procedure: step 1) file bugs with patches, and cc debian-qa and debian-doc; step 2) wait a couple weeks for normal responses; step 3) hassle a friendly DD or #debian-mentors to get some bulk NMUs going |
| 18:19.47 | oxek | becoming a DD looks almost impossible to me - so many steps are needed. But that's likely a 'me' problem that I'd need to work on. |
| 18:19.57 | sney | still requires twisting your brain into a torus to get the troff formatting right, but that only needs to happen once and then you're good forever. just like falling off a bike. |
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| 18:21.06 | greycat | I've still never yet seen actual documentation for the roff markup syntax. I think I read somewhere that it's actually proprietary and can't be freely documented or something, but that might have been a troll. |
| 18:21.26 | jelly | you can fall off a bike once and stay off of it forever, yeah |
| 18:22.42 | jelly | "can't" is a weird thing to say. People have reverse engineered Cisco's proprietary protocols and written RFC about it |
| 18:22.59 | jelly | also, samba |
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| 18:24.25 | sney | I suspect it was once widespread enough that "everyone knew" how to do it, and then suddenly it was 20 years later and might as well be witchcraft |
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| 18:30.13 | oxek | write it in markdown, and then use a tool that converts it |
| 18:30.44 | greycat | if you were writing a whole new man page from scratch, sure... but to submit a patch against an existing one? |
| 18:31.08 | oxek | convert the manpage to html or some other format, fix it, and convert it back |
| 18:31.30 | greycat | in fact, you might have to drill down into every single package individually and figure out whether their man pages are hand-written roff, or converted from some other format, and then learn whatever the original format is, and then work around the bugs in the converters.... |
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| 18:33.08 | jelly | yep, because patches are done against source and it's nice if you make minimal changes |
| 18:36.23 | jhutchins | You'd also want to be sure whether the changes you want to make only apply to debian, if they apply to other linuxes, or if they're POSIX=wide. |
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| 18:37.57 | greycat | not just a question of making minimal changes... if the actual *source* isn't the .1 roff file then you have to change the original file instead |
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| 18:39.20 | jelly | jhutchins, I don't care about other linuxes or posix. |
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| 18:49.20 | metbsd | is debian testing pretty much same as ubuntu? |
| 18:49.26 | greycat | No. |
| 18:50.16 | metbsd | even commands are same |
| 18:50.38 | metbsd | so ubuntu copied from debian testing? |
| 18:51.35 | trench | kind of |
| 18:51.40 | trench | unstable/sid |
| 18:52.03 | metbsd | but testing is stabler than ubuntu? |
| 18:52.17 | metbsd | i see firefox is older |
| 18:52.21 | trench | metbsd: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:52.42 | metbsd | bullseye/sid |
| 18:52.53 | mutante | metbsd: yes, but then they also started to do their own thing in small areas and it forked |
| 18:52.56 | greycat | We do not know, and cannot easily find out, all of the ways that Ubuntu is different from Debian. Ask #ubuntu, although they probably won't know either. |
| 18:53.13 | trench | iceweasel or something |
| 18:53.50 | trench | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_software_rebranded_by_Debian#Iceweasel |
| 18:53.53 | metbsd | ubuntu is more commercial program like |
| 18:54.09 | mutante | metbsd: no, the other way around. stable is the most stable, then it's testing. newer for the price of being less stable |
| 18:54.10 | greycat | the iceweasel thing was dropped many years ago |
| 18:54.39 | mutante | trench: that was true for 10 years but not anymore now |
| 18:54.42 | greycat | mutante: that makes it sound like testing is some sort of rolling release, which some people seem to *want* it to be, but it's not. |
| 18:55.05 | trench | mutante: I'm old and don't use x :P |
| 18:55.14 | mutante | greycat: oh, ok. yea, I just meant to speak on the order from "most stable to least stable" |
| 18:55.44 | trench | metbsd: you can add backports to stable also |
| 18:55.48 | greycat | testing is the staging area for what will become the next stable release, and any resemblance to a rolling release is coincidental |
| 18:56.00 | mutante | trench: i'm old too, just sharing the news. the Firefox licensing issues was finally resolved in some way I forgot |
| 18:56.21 | greycat | !iceweasel |
| 18:56.21 | dpkg | Iceweasel was a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, replacing it in Debian since 4.0 "Etch". See <why iceweasel>, <iceweasel vs firefox>, <iceweasel user-agent>, https://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel for historical information. Since 2016, Debian no longer applies a custom branding to Mozilla Firefox (https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3600). <https://lwn.net/Articles/676799/> |
| 18:56.30 | trench | true |
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| 18:56.55 | trench | !backports |
| 18:56.55 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 18:57.17 | mutante | also a major difference used to be that Ubuntu made their own Desktop env, Unity, but then they gave up on that, so it was less difference again |
| 18:57.38 | greycat | they had a different init system at some point, not sure what their current init system is |
| 18:57.40 | trench | but they are more into wayland now |
| 18:58.07 | jelly | systemd since 16.04 or so |
| 18:58.22 | trench | I just wish debian would drop openssl and change it something else |
| 18:58.33 | jelly | their default DE is Gnome based, so yeah wayland |
| 18:58.49 | jelly | trench, it's the apps that need to drop openssl, not debian |
| 18:59.16 | mutante | remember when Ubuntu was brandnew? there used to be that "shipit" subdomain and you could just fill out a form and say "i need 50 CDs to share with my hacker space" and they would ship you 50 CDs for free, not even postage |
| 18:59.40 | mutante | sorry offtopic but it was an old memory |
| 18:59.41 | jelly | debian already prefers gnutls where license allows |
| 18:59.59 | zaggynl | that was pretty cool, less cool was messing around with ndiswrapper to get those %#%$#@ wifi nics working |
| 19:00.57 | trench | mutante: that's why they got so pop.. |
| 19:01.35 | mutante | trench: yea, that and including nonfree modules to make it detect more stuff during hardware detection in default installer, back then |
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| 19:04.59 | rr123 | curl https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb -O x.deb : curl: (56) OpenSSL SSL_read: error:1408F119:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:decryption failed or bad record mac, errno 0 |
| 19:05.39 | rr123 | wget https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb : 2021-04-28 14:05:17 (1.12 MB/s) - Read error at byte 3358704/83324908 (Decryption has failed.). Retrying. |
| 19:06.14 | mutante | rr123: works for me on Debian stable |
| 19:06.17 | rr123 | debian 10, apt get / curl/ wget all had trouble to download chrome.deb, this is inside virtuabox, am I missing something here? |
| 19:06.29 | jelly | rr123, works for me, which debian is this? Are you behind the Great Firewall? |
| 19:06.42 | mutante | rr123: what's curl -V say? version? |
| 19:06.48 | rr123 | other packages worked fine for apt-update etc, no I'm in Texas |
| 19:07.07 | rr123 | curl 7.64.0 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.64.0 OpenSSL/1.1.1d zlib/1.2.11 libidn2/2.0.5 libpsl/0.20.2 (+libidn2/2.0.5) libssh2/1.8.0 nghttp2/1.36.0 librtmp/2.3 |
| 19:07.09 | jelly | maybe Texas has the GREATEST firewall, no idea |
| 19:07.20 | mutante | corporate proxy? university? |
| 19:07.26 | sney | system clock wrong? |
| 19:07.28 | rr123 | home router |
| 19:08.03 | rr123 | a typical work-from-home scenario, again all other packages etc worked well, only trouble is this chrome and only on debian 10 |
| 19:08.19 | mutante | add -vvv to curl command for possibly more hints? |
| 19:08.36 | jhutchins | rr123: Try a different mirror. |
| 19:08.38 | mutante | try to curl/wget while also running tcpdump ? |
| 19:08.53 | petn-randall | I'm guessing ca-certificates is not installed. |
| 19:09.00 | sney | apt uses http by default, so a ssl failure would not affect it out of the box. and if your system date is wrong, ssl will fail. |
| 19:09.00 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, sney |
| 19:09.01 | jelly | rr123, perhaps the google CDN server you're connecting to is misbehaving. |
| 19:09.28 | jelly | petn-randall, this isn't an incorrect cert situation |
| 19:09.29 | jhutchins | Wouldn't most of the suggestions affect other packages as well? He said he can download some, just not chrome. |
| 19:09.40 | mutante | how about simply replacing https with http? |
| 19:10.07 | rr123 | https://pastebin.com/BF05pGEA |
| 19:10.08 | mutante | rr123: curl http://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb |
| 19:10.15 | rr123 | let me try http and tcpdump |
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| 19:11.07 | jhutchins | Oh, wait, other packages wouldn't be this mirror. Sorry. |
| 19:11.13 | jelly | rr123, also, put -O outputfile BEFORE the url. |
| 19:11.33 | mutante | -vvv was meant to be added to the actual download command. while -V was an unrelated thing to get the version |
| 19:12.01 | rr123 | http looks sane, is google doing some ssl advanced experiments that debian openssl dislikes... |
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| 19:13.15 | rr123 | apt install ./google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb : dpkg-deb (subprocess): decompressing archive member: lzma error: compressed data is corrupt |
| 19:13.16 | apt | rr123: that's too long |
| 19:13.38 | jelly | rr123, md5sum ./google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb says what? |
| 19:13.42 | rr123 | i have been suspicious on this as a virtualbox bug actually |
| 19:13.46 | mutante | rr123: one common reason is that the versions of client and server are too far apart to agree on any cipher, like the server might disabled older ones as insecure while the client doesnt yet support the latest |
| 19:13.55 | oxek | !iceweasel |
| 19:13.55 | dpkg | Iceweasel was a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, replacing it in Debian since 4.0 "Etch". See <why iceweasel>, <iceweasel vs firefox>, <iceweasel user-agent>, https://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel for historical information. Since 2016, Debian no longer applies a custom branding to Mozilla Firefox (https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3600). <https://lwn.net/Articles/676799/> |
| 19:13.56 | sney | bet that deb is text/html |
| 19:14.19 | peebowo | ^ |
| 19:14.26 | jelly | oh, -O does not take arguments |
| 19:14.27 | oxek | "DFSG-free" sounds like it would be non-free then |
| 19:14.34 | rr123 | wait, it's indeed google-chrome....deb.1 |
| 19:14.53 | rr123 | the old half-done chrome.deb is there to cause this |
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| 19:18.24 | jhutchins | rr123: What is the host OS? |
| 19:18.32 | sappheiros | checks https://osxdaily.com/2015/06/05/copy-iso-to-usb-drive-mac-os-x-command/ to see about creating boot USB iso |
| 19:20.52 | sappheiros | checks https://linuxhint.com/debian_10_bootable_usb_install/ to see if 8 GB USB is enough |
| 19:21.26 | sappheiros | D'you know if 8 GB is enough space for debian install via USB? |
| 19:21.40 | sappheiros | i mean a USB with nominal 8 GB |
| 19:21.55 | sappheiros | for install on a 2 TB SSD |
| 19:22.07 | nkuttler | depends on the installer.. |
| 19:22.09 | nkuttler | !netinst |
| 19:22.09 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 19:22.14 | peebowo | relatively sure it is, debian isnt extraordinarilly big |
| 19:22.19 | nkuttler | or do you only have usb? |
| 19:22.24 | nkuttler | and no network? |
| 19:22.53 | jelly | sappheiros, the basic installer needs like 300MB and grabs the rest over the internets |
| 19:23.11 | horseshoecrab | i installed a vm with a 10g qcow2 on the weekend using netinst, and im sure there is bags of room left. |
| 19:23.15 | sappheiros | I think I downloaded the USB installer file, and I'm not sure if ... crap ... maybe I didn't order a wireless card when I bought all my other PC components. I'd have an Ethernet cable, though. |
| 19:23.53 | jelly | you'd also need a wired ethernet card |
| 19:24.04 | sney | installing over ethernet is ideal anyway |
| 19:24.06 | jhutchins | sappheiros: Maybe there's a port on the motherboard? |
| 19:24.21 | sappheiros | Yeah there should be |
| 19:26.01 | rr123 | ok, this has been a long time issue for me on virtualbox + debian10(guest os), only occurred for chrome, host os is ubuntu 20.04. checked again md5sum is right, I can install on my vps debian server etc. I will revert to chromium on virtualbox instead which is flawless. errors seen: 1. wget/curl/apt failed at openssl but http download works 2. lzma error when manually install the correct deb file manually |
| 19:26.07 | rr123 | downloaded. 3. virtualbox actually failed to install debian sometimes for the same ssl error sometimes. it must be some corner case but I will move on. |
| 19:26.58 | jelly | rr123, does the host OS have some sort of malware installed? :-) |
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| 19:27.59 | sappheiros | Does 'dd' with option bs=1m sound like a good way to create a bootable USB drive from an iso on macOS? but how many bytes is "1m" and why do I even need to specify that operand? |
| 19:28.00 | greycat | bad RAM? |
| 19:28.16 | greycat | the default block size is 512 |
| 19:28.17 | horseshoecrab | sappheiros: i just cat it tbh |
| 19:28.19 | horseshoecrab | that normally works |
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| 19:28.34 | sappheiros | concatenate and print files? |
| 19:28.37 | jhutchins | rr123: Download on host, transfer to target. |
| 19:28.47 | sney | sappheiros: dd works, cat works, cp works, extra dd options can sometimes speed things up but usually they are just for people to pretend they are hacking |
| 19:28.51 | horseshoecrab | cat img > /dev/<usb> |
| 19:29.02 | horseshoecrab | (but be very careful.) :( |
| 19:29.18 | sappheiros | great, thanks. brb gonna break my computer and ruin my life with sudo dd |
| 19:29.20 | sney | you are writing the .iso file directly to the usb block device. the method is not really important, as long as it writes the iso file directly, and doesn't try anything extra. |
| 19:29.21 | sappheiros | (does macOS use sudo? ...) |
| 19:29.24 | greycat | bear in mind sappheiros is on a non-debian system and is off topic and any answers we give may or may not make your Mac explode |
| 19:29.32 | sappheiros | lol |
| 19:29.37 | jelly | sappheiros, the 1MiB block size is a ballpark figure to avoid pushing may small writes to a potentially cheap device that can't aggregate them |
| 19:29.41 | horseshoecrab | not arguing with sney or greycat |
| 19:29.46 | horseshoecrab | they seem like sensible people |
| 19:29.55 | peebowo | dd if=<iso>.iso of=/dev/sd* status='progress' |
| 19:30.19 | jelly | sappheiros, on linux, it makes things faster and makes old usb sticks last longer |
| 19:30.58 | jelly | however, on linux you can just do "cp netinst.iso /dev/sdX" |
| 19:31.05 | oxek | /dev/sd* sounds like horrible example |
| 19:31.06 | sappheiros | sweet, thanks. debian here i come!! (i hope ... waiting for PC parts to arrive ... ironically chassis and SSD coming in separate packages from everything else) peebowo I don't see status as an operand for 'dd' in the man pages :( |
| 19:31.09 | horseshoecrab | well despite all the other stuff, main "issue" with peebowo example (same as mine) is being damn sure about where the usb block device for reasons given by greycat |
| 19:31.18 | peebowo | oxek: your right |
| 19:31.23 | jelly | and let cp worry about the right block size |
| 19:31.32 | jhutchins | These days dd has sensible default blocksizes. It did not always have a default. Some people believe they can get better performance if they tweak the block size. |
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| 19:31.47 | greycat | jhutchins: ... huh? |
| 19:31.50 | jelly | jhutchins, does it, really? |
| 19:31.51 | peebowo | oxek: just cant know what usb is the right one |
| 19:32.06 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.06 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.19 | greycat | I think jhutchins is just making shit up. |
| 19:32.29 | sappheiros | yuh oh shots fired |
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| 19:32.51 | peebowo | jhutchins trolling? |
| 19:32.57 | horseshoecrab | greycat: hes probably rightish at least. dont make me regret saying i thought you were sensible! ;P |
| 19:33.00 | jelly | straces dd to a cheap usb stick |
| 19:33.11 | ratrace | 512b is hardly sensible these days |
| 19:33.22 | greycat | He's definitely wrong about the block size being different "These days". |
| 19:33.27 | jhutchins | ratrace: Perhaps, but it works. |
| 19:33.39 | ratrace | jhutchins: sure, but suboptimally |
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| 19:33.59 | ratrace | at 512b you saturate iops before bandwidth on any modern sata2 rust spinner |
| 19:34.04 | greycat | It's also quite *odd* to think that dd's behavior would change over time, when it's one of the ancient legacy unix commands that's standardized by POSIX. |
| 19:34.16 | ratrace | *sata3 |
| 19:34.23 | jhutchins | greycat: I'm pretty sure I've used a version that did not have a default. It would not have been on debian. |
| 19:34.34 | horseshoecrab | im sure i read something about block sizes being "bigger these days" but you wont BELIEVE what crusty old documentation this bored sysadmin will read! |
| 19:35.57 | greycat | POSIX page is here, and also mandates 512 default. https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/dd.html |
| 19:36.24 | jhutchins | greycat: What year was it last revised? |
| 19:36.58 | greycat | Read it your goddamned self and see. |
| 19:37.04 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:37.14 | jhutchins | 2018 |
| 19:37.23 | ratrace | jhutchins: maybe you meant cp? cp has kinda sensible default (129k iirc), and it can copy to/from block devices |
| 19:37.32 | ratrace | 128k* |
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| 19:40.27 | ratrace | I saw the other day GKH plonking the UMN posters on LKML and got me thinking.... greycat often shows username "greg". GKH... greg KH.... greg KHat ... grey khat .... greycat. are you GKH incognito here? :) |
| 19:40.43 | greycat | no |
| 19:41.04 | jelly | write(1, "\201|$\0301\0\0\2u\6\306@!\1\353\4\306@!\0E1\344H\213\25\372\314\n\0K\215"..., 512) = 512 |
| 19:41.04 | ratrace | aww. |
| 19:41.48 | mutante | at night all cats are grey |
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| 19:43.07 | ratrace | some coincidental numerolog^W verbology there. :) |
| 19:45.16 | jelly | well. dd does send 512B write() by default to this poor usb stick. It also does 1MiB writes when asked to, but they finish WAY too soon and then it's stuck on close() until the writes actually go to the device |
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| 19:45.49 | jelly | with default bs, write speed was 1.7MB/s; with bs=1M, it was around 4.9MB/s |
| 19:46.30 | jelly | dd (coreutils) 8.28 |
| 19:46.34 | ratrace | the "way to soon" is page caching without syncs, so close() implies a sync and it's blocking until the kernel retuns from sync() |
| 19:46.55 | ratrace | always hated that about dd and caching. the progress bar, like cake, is eventually a lie. |
| 19:47.13 | jelly | don't hate on dd, hate on the kernel lying thru its teeth |
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| 19:47.33 | peebowo | jelly: lmfao |
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| 19:47.57 | horseshoecrab | NEVER hate on the kernel. |
| 19:47.58 | jelly | what is dd supposed to do, gratuitous fsync every now and then? |
| 19:48.07 | ratrace | it can if you tell it to |
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| 19:48.37 | horseshoecrab | kernel just living in the moment |
| 19:48.40 | horseshoecrab | like we all shoud |
| 19:48.54 | jelly | it sure likes its dirty, dirty buffers |
| 19:49.15 | jhutchins | That's what buffers are for. |
| 19:49.31 | jelly | jhutchins, so, which dd were you talking about? |
| 19:49.56 | horseshoecrab | dont kink shame the kernel / |
| 19:51.03 | sappheiros | so is the consensus that https://osxdaily.com/2015/06/05/copy-iso-to-usb-drive-mac-os-x-command/ is correct to instruct me to bs=1m? |
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| 19:51.40 | greycat | ask #macosx |
| 19:51.48 | horseshoecrab | not as far as im concerned. identify the correct block device, use cat. let tim cooks minions sort it out. |
| 19:51.52 | horseshoecrab | (and what greycat said) |
| 19:52.18 | ratrace | cat?! please don't abuse cats. use cp |
| 19:52.31 | jelly | sadly not many people in here know the correct incantation for OSX dd. It probably has bs= and obs= |
| 19:52.32 | ratrace | 128k is pretty sensible default for both rust spinners and solid states |
| 19:52.46 | horseshoecrab | ratrace: that suggestion just gives me so many different emotions. |
| 19:52.56 | horseshoecrab | 1./ slight disgust. |
| 19:53.02 | horseshoecrab | 2./ mild admiration for cp |
| 19:53.12 | horseshoecrab | 3./ annoyance i didnt know you could use it for that |
| 19:53.24 | ratrace | not unexpected for an animal that's a horse, a shoe and a crab, at the same time :) |
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| 19:56.25 | monkwitdafunk | hello, is the list of software from: directory.fsf.org compatable with macosx? |
| 19:56.42 | greycat | how in the hell would we know? |
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| 19:57.07 | monkwitdafunk | you say posix, i say i dont know? :-D |
| 19:57.07 | rockworld | where is the log files directory for mariadb ? |
| 19:57.14 | jelly | monkwitdafunk, best find a FSF channe |
| 19:57.36 | monkwitdafunk | .... |
| 19:57.37 | greycat | rockworld: I would try either /var/log/mysql or /var/log/mariadb |
| 19:58.04 | horseshoecrab | maybe he means database logs |
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| 19:58.17 | horseshoecrab | but they'll be somewhere in var too i suspect |
| 19:58.28 | ratrace | you mean write ahead logs? |
| 19:59.03 | rockworld | I just updated to php8.0.2 and I dont know if thats the reason but I got a error when trying to acces the page |
| 19:59.07 | jelly | monkwitdafunk, you're asking in #debian right now. We don't know a whole lot about OSX, or about source compatibility with other platforms. /msg alis list *osx* ? |
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| 19:59.45 | rockworld | "SQL error... Please check your error log file for details..." |
| 20:00.08 | jelly | rockworld, where does this error come from, your php app? |
| 20:00.18 | greycat | you might also try "journalctl -u mariadb" and/or "systemctl status mariadb" |
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| 20:00.37 | rockworld | from php page |
| 20:00.41 | jelly | rockworld, if so, it probably points you to the _web server_ error.log, not sql server log |
| 20:00.56 | monkwitdafunk | yes jelly, your suggestion is genuine |
| 20:00.59 | ratrace | and keep in mind a lot of PHP apps are still incompatible with PHP8, which is why Bullseye won't have it yet. |
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| 20:01.37 | jelly | monkwitdafunk, it's basically the same thing grey'cat said, only without hell |
| 20:01.41 | rockworld | Apr 28 16:38:29 quebechosting mysqld[630]: 2021-04-28 16:38:29 5925 [Warning] Aborted connection 5925 to db: 'unconnected' user: 'unauthenticated' host: 'do-prod-ap-central-scanner-2604-3.do.binarye |
| 20:01.55 | rockworld | looks like I need to setup the database |
| 20:01.59 | jelly | monkwitdafunk, wrong channel this is |
| 20:02.00 | craigevil | !sudo |
| 20:02.00 | dpkg | Sudo, aka Substitute User DO, is a common way to give limited super user privileges to specific users. Not the magic "do what I want" button. Good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See <sudo path>, <visudo>, <sudoers>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
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| 20:02.08 | monkwitdafunk | i have an idea that if i am not using a linux that runs from ram, im going to go with trisquel, and debian. stick with the two! |
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| 20:02.48 | rockworld | Im maybe better to downgrade to 7.3 |
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| 20:03.15 | jelly | rockworld, look at web server logs first. |
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| 20:03.40 | rockworld | ok I check |
| 20:03.43 | jelly | ,v php8 |
| 20:03.44 | judd | No package named 'php8' was found in amd64. |
| 20:03.47 | jelly | ,v php8.0 |
| 20:03.48 | judd | Package: php8.0 on amd64 -- sid: 8.0.3-1 |
| 20:05.35 | monkwitdafunk | i read a little information about LTS support |
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| 20:07.17 | sappheiros | wooooo show of hands who here just "353370112 bytes transferred in 36.198910 secs (9761899 bytes/sec)" towards a new debian instaaaaall |
| 20:07.55 | monkwitdafunk | sappheiros, are you working with NVME |
| 20:08.04 | monkwitdafunk | it is nice eh |
| 20:08.22 | sappheiros | uh, i hope so >_> Disk Utility says "Lexar USB Flash Drive Media". |
| 20:08.28 | monkwitdafunk | ? |
| 20:08.33 | jelly | 10MB/s is a mediocre usb stick speed, not nvme speed |
| 20:08.56 | jelly | 0.5s would have been nvme speed |
| 20:09.21 | ratrace | cough also, pagecache, cake, lies cough |
| 20:09.23 | monkwitdafunk | sappheiros, are you talking about usb 3.0 |
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| 20:09.28 | sappheiros | yeah probably |
| 20:10.06 | horseshoecrab | pfft. installing from usb is so tired. RUNNING root filesystem on usb is where its at. |
| 20:10.10 | sappheiros | yeah Mac mini System Information shows two USB 3.1 Bus |
| 20:10.10 | oxek | and that's why one uses dd instead |
| 20:10.15 | monkwitdafunk | nvme speed would not mean much if it uses a USB |
| 20:10.23 | oxek | because you can make it report transfer speed accurately |
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| 20:11.58 | monkwitdafunk | bus speeds are more worthy of money spent, than speeds of scondary memory |
| 20:13.40 | sappheiros | thanks |
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| 20:17.25 | ratrace | rsync -va vault:/srv/dist/ISO/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso ./ |
| 20:17.25 | ratrace | sent 378,628,483 bytes received 35 bytes 252,419,012.00 bytes/sec |
| 20:17.25 | ratrace | total size is 378,535,936 speedup is 1.00 |
| 20:17.48 | ratrace | how 'bout that. |
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| 20:19.04 | jelly | your network is pretty fast? |
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| 20:21.30 | ratrace | 10 GbE better be :) |
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| 20:38.05 | H-var | wintersky, the ipw2100 is only the wlan part of the driver. There are other parts as well. |
| 20:38.27 | wintersky | ``huh? |
| 20:38.32 | wintersky | rephrase? |
| 20:38.39 | epsilon | 10G became cheap these days for SoHo |
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| 20:39.21 | H-var | can someone help me to select all the necessary things from make configmenu for the AX210 during the compilation? |
| 20:39.59 | H-var | this way I can just copy the /boot config file, and only add the remaining necessary updates and new features which will make it possible to use AX210 |
| 20:41.36 | H-var | during the compilation, the process ended with this error http://paste.debian.net/1195588/ how can I fix this? Thank you |
| 20:42.43 | imMute | H-var: just a guess, but maybe the pahole program isn't installed? |
| 20:42.52 | H-var | wintersky the AX210 has built-in bluetooth, and wlan, but ipw2100 is only responsible for the wlan? Isn't it? Right? |
| 20:43.16 | imMute | H-var: Debian has that packaged in the dwarves package. |
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| 20:45.08 | H-var | thank you imMute, I installed dwarves. Strange, nobody had mentioned a dwarves package as a prerequisite for compiling a kernel in any guides I read. |
| 20:47.12 | jmcnaught | H-var: ipw2100 is only for some fairly old Intel wifi devices |
| 20:47.58 | jmcnaught | H-var: iwlwifi the newer driver for most Intel wifi |
| 20:48.14 | H-var | yes indeed that's the one that the device is loading |
| 20:48.31 | H-var | the only problem is the bluetooth part and usb part - those are failing to work |
| 20:48.56 | H-var | but intel's devs stated that in 5.11 the AX210 is completely supported |
| 20:49.27 | H-var | I just do not know what to look for in all those options in order to compile all the necessary packages |
| 20:49.32 | jmcnaught | https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/iwlwifi says AX210 from 5.10 |
| 20:49.36 | H-var | including the wifi6 support |
| 20:49.57 | H-var | it's a typo, or incorrect info |
| 20:50.08 | H-var | in reality, it's supported since 5.11 |
| 20:50.35 | jelly | iwlwifi is just the wifi part |
| 20:50.44 | H-var | exactly |
| 20:51.07 | H-var | and in 5.10 it's working, but only the 2.4ghz wifi part of the device\ |
| 20:51.22 | H-var | all the other features are failing |
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| 21:00.02 | H-var | what should I select in that configmenu to make all the AX210 features work? Thank you |
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| 21:00.42 | rockworld | what is the permission I should give to a service |
| 21:02.01 | rockworld | like chmod 755 ? |
| 21:02.03 | greycat | rockworld: that's an incredibly broad question |
| 21:02.38 | greycat | #debian is not really qualified to tell you how to design the execution environment of a brand new service |
| 21:02.52 | rockworld | greycat lol |
| 21:03.08 | greycat | general principles would include things like "try to run it as a new UID that doesn't do anything else" |
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| 21:03.40 | greycat | or, if it has to make use of existing resources, then give it the bare minimum of privileges necessary to use them |
| 21:03.51 | greycat | I don't know why you think this is funny. |
| 21:05.01 | rockworld | greycat: sorry :p it was not bad intention but thats a question I was wondering just like that |
| 21:05.24 | rockworld | -rw-r--r-- |
| 21:05.31 | rockworld | thats the permission I have right now |
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| 21:05.58 | rockworld | Im not too experienced with system |
| 21:07.52 | greycat | are you talking about some config file that the service needs to read? or what? |
| 21:08.05 | greycat | why are you designing a new service if you are not familiar with the basics of your system? |
| 21:08.07 | rockworld | it gonna work with apache |
| 21:08.26 | rockworld | thats a websocket service |
| 21:09.06 | greycat | Well, once again, #debian is not qualified to help you design a new service, especially a "websocket service". I don't even know what that *is*. Maybe #httpd will know. |
| 21:10.05 | rockworld | Im going to ask them :) thanks |
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| 21:53.41 | colemickens | hi, can anyone tell me what install scdaemon.udev rules into the correct location in debian? |
| 21:54.01 | colemickens | the gnupg2 source package doesn't really hint as to how ti gets installed |
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| 21:57.43 | colemickens | I guess this is part of the answer: https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/dh_installudev.1.html |
| 22:01.44 | trench | mutante /65 |
| 22:01.47 | trench | doh |
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| 22:09.24 | MrHatter123 | If the 'mv' command is interrupted during the move, is the data still in its original location until all the data is moved ? |
| 22:10.51 | oxek | MrHatter123: no |
| 22:11.00 | oxek | well, depends |
| 22:11.12 | oxek | if it is single file, then yes, original data is in original location |
| 22:11.24 | oxek | if it is multiple files, then some files are transferred, some are in original location |
| 22:12.56 | MrHatter123 | so 'mv' updates the file allocation table as it goes ? |
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| 22:14.29 | oxek | mv is not doing that |
| 22:14.32 | oxek | the rest of the system is |
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| 22:19.47 | MrHatter123 | oxek, thx |
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| 22:31.29 | ratrace | MrHatter123: mv is atomic rename on the same filesystem and cp + rm across filesystems |
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| 22:32.32 | oxek | it's atomic, except that nothing is really atomic. Things fail in all sorts of (un)expected ways. |
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| 22:34.13 | ratrace | well yes, but that's edge cases and bugs |
| 22:37.50 | oxek | oh I've worked in systems where all cases were edge cases, and all of them had bugs too :) |
| 22:39.17 | ratrace | then they were not edge cases |
| 22:39.59 | ratrace | clearly the premise here is that tools work as designed except, of course, when there's bugs. if we don't make that assumption, then technology would not work at all. |
| 22:41.54 | ratrace | how often mv fails to atomically rename? by itself, on its own, with no other symptom or failure? Near never. Can it fail like that in case of a new bug? Sure. You'd probably sooner win the EU jackpot tho. |
| 22:42.24 | ratrace | in other words, this is kinda like techno-reverse-solipsism. :) |
| 22:42.33 | oxek | true |
| 22:42.56 | oxek | maybe I'm just a cynical old debian user, having seen mv fail in all sorts of ways |
| 22:43.15 | ratrace | on its own or becasue the filystem had a catastrophic failure elsewhere? |
| 22:43.21 | oxek | both |
| 22:43.41 | oxek | e.g. tried to mv a file on same filesystem, and the file *disappeared* |
| 22:43.47 | ratrace | I only saw the latter, in over 20 years of *nix'ing. power failures, hardware glitches, memory corruption, ... |
| 22:46.51 | ratrace | I mean.... the ACID'ity of databases is, partially, based on that atomicity (on atomicity of filesystem operations), backed by a replay-able WAL. And if those were failing willy nilly, teh whole civilization would collapse :) |
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| 22:47.38 | ratrace | can they fail? oh sure, absolutely. but they don't in vast, vast, vast majority of cases, unless the fs itself is experiencing a headshot. OR, it's mysql we're talking about :))) |
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| 23:20.35 | Peppi | hello |
| 23:21.13 | ectospasm | !welcome |
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| 23:22.00 | Peppi | I'm using octopi (based on Debian). I'd like to make it so when I do a ll (list long) it call ls -l how do I do that? I don't even know what to google sorry lol |
| 23:23.10 | ectospasm | alias ll='ls -al' |
| 23:23.33 | ectospasm | Or, don't pass `-a` to ls if you don't want to see . and .. |
| 23:23.58 | ectospasm | Whenever I'm in a new environment, I set up that alias. |
| 23:24.19 | ectospasm | ...if I can't copy my full environment to the system. |
| 23:24.31 | riff-IRC | Or ls -Al if you want to see hidden files, but not . and .. |
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| 23:26.37 | Peppi | hmm where is the alias file on debian? |
| 23:26.54 | mutante | /etc/exim4/aliases |
| 23:27.20 | afidegnum | hold a sec |
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| 23:27.47 | afidegnum | no alias file is being created yet |
| 23:27.53 | Peppi | mutante, ... hmmm can't find the exim4 directory |
| 23:28.00 | ectospasm | Peppi: probably in your shell's rc or profile file. E.g., .bashrc or .bash_profile |
| 23:28.04 | ectospasm | in $HOME |
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| 23:28.39 | afidegnum | ok, can i reconfigure exim again so you can please guide me through ? |
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| 23:29.02 | mutante | Peppi: exim4 package creates it though. dpkg -L exim4-config |
| 23:29.15 | mutante | exim4-config package that is |
| 23:29.21 | ectospasm | mutante: I don't think Peppi is asking about exim4 |
| 23:29.26 | Peppi | no I'm not |
| 23:29.33 | Peppi | just how to edit the alias' |
| 23:29.56 | ectospasm | Peppi: what shell do you use? bash, zsh, etc...? |
| 23:30.02 | mutante | oh... shell aliases, not mail aliases. sorry for the confusion |
| 23:30.18 | Peppi | think bash |
| 23:30.24 | afidegnum | ??? |
| 23:30.27 | afidegnum | are you refering to me ? |
| 23:30.48 | Peppi | be back in a bit |
| 23:31.05 | mutante | afidegnum: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 and use the interactive wizard? |
| 23:31.23 | afidegnum | yes, i'm already doing it |
| 23:31.25 | mutante | afidegnum: I thought your question and an unrelated one belonged together |
| 23:31.37 | mutante | because there are also aliases in exim |
| 23:32.01 | mutante | afidegnum: select that "satellite system" option, normally |
| 23:32.18 | afidegnum | by the way, initially, I had this erorr. "invoke-rc.d: could not determine current runlevel" |
| 23:32.18 | afidegnum | "invoke-rc.d: policy-rc.d denied execution of restart."" |
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| 23:34.49 | mutante | afidegnum: is this on Windows Subsystem for Linux? |
| 23:34.57 | afidegnum | no, docker image |
| 23:35.02 | afidegnum | debian image |
| 23:35.18 | mutante | ok, somehow because it's docker then but dont know more |
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| 23:36.27 | mutante | I see others have this issue and people suggest things like "export RUNLEVEL=1" to let it determine a runlevel.. |
| 23:36.41 | afidegnum | debian:buster-slim |
| 23:36.54 | afidegnum | mutante: ok, let me try your suggestion |
| 23:37.58 | afidegnum | ok, i'm in dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:38.10 | mutante | heh, ok |
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| 23:38.21 | afidegnum | mutante: i'm choosing option 3, Mail Sent by smarthost no local mail |
| 23:38.24 | afidegnum | correct ? |
| 23:39.19 | afidegnum | 1. internet site; mail is sent and received directly using SMTP 3. mail sent by smarthost; no local mail 5. no configuration at this time |
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| 23:40.24 | afidegnum | what do you suggest? |
| 23:40.24 | mutante | afidegnum: yea, well, do you have external mail servers to use? yes, 3 is the common one |
| 23:41.01 | afidegnum | mutante: yes, I have 2 exim servers i'm confuguring, 1 as a clients with multiple mail accounts from multiple domains |
| 23:41.38 | afidegnum | and the smarthost which is in docker. which will forward mails from server 1 to their respective destinations |
| 23:41.40 | mutante | It used to say ""(3) Satellite system: All mail is sent to another machine, \called a "smarthost" for delivery."" |
| 23:41.46 | mutante | that's why I called it satellite |
| 23:42.07 | afidegnum | oh, ok, then the name changed |
| 23:43.19 | mutante | afidegnum: 3 would be if this host is NOT doing mail itself and instead sends it to a different host, like the mail servers of your org or Google or whatever feels responsible for your domain |
| 23:43.46 | afidegnum | yes, |
| 23:43.54 | mutante | if you are setting up that smart host itself then it's more like 1 i guess |
| 23:44.01 | afidegnum | oh! |
| 23:44.16 | afidegnum | ok, wait, what's the difference between the relay server and the smarthost? |
| 23:46.12 | mutante | eh.. I don't know. same thing? |
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| 23:46.40 | afidegnum | ok, let me clarify, I have server A and B, server A has mails*@domains* it's a company mail system. and sever B will forward mails sent from server A to their final destinations |
| 23:46.57 | sney | relay server relays all incoming mail to another server. a smarthost (usually) actually handles mail delivery for a local domain |
| 23:47.12 | mutante | maybe the difference is only the list of domains it accepts |
| 23:47.31 | sney | and yeah, definitions in smtp can be a little vague |
| 23:47.31 | afidegnum | i have been battling this confusion since morning |
| 23:47.46 | sney | it is one of the oldest things on the internet, after all. |
| 23:48.01 | mutante | option 1 is if you are the mail server yourself and option 3 is if the mail server is elsewhere |
| 23:49.09 | afidegnum | sney: does smarthost send mails out for a local domain? |
| 23:49.15 | mutante | server A would pick 1 and server B would pick 3 |
| 23:49.21 | afidegnum | mutante: ok, i'm working on server B now |
| 23:49.26 | afidegnum | where mails should be sent out |
| 23:49.33 | afidegnum | so i choose 3 ? |
| 23:49.43 | afidegnum | or 1 ? |
| 23:49.52 | mutante | final destination .. means ? |
| 23:49.56 | mutante | another mail server? |
| 23:50.06 | mutante | or the user inboxes on that system |
| 23:51.13 | mutante | well, now I think it might be 2 variants of option 1 but with different list of domains it accepts mail for |
| 23:51.28 | mutante | sorry, not sure, maybe sney can chime in |
| 23:51.51 | afidegnum | yes, i.e Server A sends mails from user1@domain1.com to some@google.com, user1@domain2.com to @yahoo.com and server B pick those mails to send to the respective destinations |
| 23:51.58 | sney | usually the smarthost also does outgoing mail, yes |
| 23:53.24 | afidegnum | so i chose option 1 or 3 ? |
| 23:53.31 | sney | for your docker container that is not handling mailboxes or mail routing, you would definitely choose 3, where server A is still the core of your company's email infrastructure |
| 23:54.22 | afidegnum | sney: docker is server B which supposed to send the mail out. |
| 23:55.23 | sney | afidegnum: it should still relay outgoing mail through the primary mailserver |
| 23:55.39 | sney | you do *not* want rando containers sending email in production, this is a very easy way to get filtered as spam |
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| 23:56.50 | afidegnum | well, i have been recommened to set up an authenticated smarthost, so mails are sent from known accounts |
| 23:57.34 | sney | you have our recommendation to use #3. if you want to try something else, go ahead, just be warned that it may not go well |
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| 23:58.46 | afidegnum | sney: ok, i chose option 3. do i use a domain name or part of the fqdn here? https://dpaste.org/DEOQ |