| 00:00.39 | Vanfanel | Hi! I have removed the systemd loging service, so now I get "Failed to connect stdout to the journal socket" errors on services launch. How I can stop systemd trying to connect stdout to the journal socket? I don't need it on this particular system |
| 00:03.40 | metbsd | what's name of wallpapers of debian 11? |
| 00:03.45 | afidegnum | sney: can you please look at this side too? it's confusing here, https://dpaste.org/9QJ8# |
| 00:04.03 | afidegnum | metbsd: what type of wallpaper do you want? |
| 00:04.08 | afidegnum | what display manager are you using ? |
| 00:04.13 | metbsd | the debian testing, gnome |
| 00:04.44 | afidegnum | gnome-backgrounds |
| 00:05.04 | ectospasm | Vanfanel: why did you remove systemd-journald? I don't think systemd functions very well without it. |
| 00:05.16 | metbsd | where is the file located? |
| 00:05.30 | ectospasm | It seems too much effort to set up (r)syslog for systemd instead. |
| 00:05.37 | ectospasm | But that's just my opinion. |
| 00:06.12 | Vanfanel | ectospasm: I just don't want any logging, and this is going to be an embedded system that works perfectly fine for what it does |
| 00:06.25 | Vanfanel | ectospasm: I just need to know how to get rid of that message |
| 00:07.15 | ectospasm | You could configure systemd-journald to write to /dev/null |
| 00:07.31 | ectospasm | That way, it doesn't actually fill up your small embedded disk, but the socket is still there. |
| 00:08.35 | Vanfanel | ectospasm: yes, but I would like to remove the socket too. It was easy to do by masking it in the past, now this error appears. Is that error unavoidable? |
| 00:08.47 | mutante | Vanfanel: "LogTarget" in /etc/systemd/system.conf sounds like it. |
| 00:08.51 | mutante | Vanfanel: "One of console (log to the attached tty), console-prefixed (log to the attached tty but with prefixes encoding the log level and "facility", see syslog(3), kmsg (log to the kernel circular log buffer), journal (log to the journal), journal-or-kmsg (log to the journal if available, and to kmsg otherwise), auto (determine the appropriate log target automatically, the default), null (disable log |
| 00:08.57 | mutante | output)." |
| 00:09.07 | Vanfanel | mutante: great! :) |
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| 00:09.50 | mutante | I seem to have "journal-or-kmsg" as commented default |
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| 00:12.34 | Vanfanel | mutante: it worked! :D |
| 00:12.39 | Vanfanel | thaaanks a lot! |
| 00:13.02 | Vanfanel | mutante: I set it to none, that's just what I needed |
| 00:13.10 | Vanfanel | I mean null :D |
| 00:14.20 | ectospasm | TIL |
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| 00:15.28 | Peppi | finished :) |
| 00:15.34 | Peppi | thanks for all the help everyone |
| 00:15.40 | ectospasm | !next |
| 00:15.40 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 00:15.44 | Peppi | hadit edit ~/.bashrc in my case |
| 00:15.57 | Peppi | had to |
| 00:16.20 | ectospasm | Peppi: I recommend ~/.bash_profile instead, if you have things that print anything in .bashrc |
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| 00:16.53 | ectospasm | .profile, .bash_profile, etc. are for login (interactive) shells. |
| 00:16.56 | Peppi | ectospasm, but it's blank? |
| 00:17.17 | ectospasm | by default, yes. |
| 00:17.19 | Peppi | or is bashrc the global |
| 00:17.31 | ectospasm | .bashrc is for non-login bash shells. |
| 00:18.44 | Peppi | ectospasm, what is a non-login bash shell? |
| 00:19.00 | Peppi | aren't all shell logged into? |
| 00:19.05 | Peppi | shells |
| 00:19.24 | trench | no |
| 00:19.33 | ectospasm | Not necessarily. `bash -c "some bash command"` isn't a login shell |
| 00:19.47 | Peppi | ohhh |
| 00:19.59 | Peppi | so basically my change will do nothing then |
| 00:20.03 | Peppi | changing bashrc that is |
| 00:20.41 | Peppi | so where do I place the .bash_profile file? |
| 00:20.46 | ectospasm | It doesn't make that much of a difference, but if you have things that print anything in .bashrc they can mess with programs that don't expect that output (for non-login shells) |
| 00:20.50 | trench | depends on what you want to do? |
| 00:21.14 | ectospasm | Peppi: ~/.bash_profile |
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| 00:21.37 | Peppi | gotcha |
| 00:21.42 | Peppi | ok I'll do it |
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| 01:16.19 | warsoul | when is bulls eye coming out |
| 01:16.20 | warsoul | ? |
| 01:16.36 | oxek | warsoul: 2021 |
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| 01:25.09 | themill | June, most likely. Sooner if you fix some bugs in the installer |
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| 01:29.26 | velix | Hmm. Does anyone know a repository providing kernel 5.11 for stable now? Backport and v11 will by 5.10 "only". |
| 01:29.30 | oxek | themill: so why did you bet september 1st? |
| 01:29.41 | themill | That was 2 years ago! |
| 01:29.59 | oxek | :D |
| 01:30.28 | oxek | velix: there isn't one |
| 01:30.50 | velix | oxek: Okay, it's backporting day! |
| 01:30.55 | oxek | sloppy-backports might have one, eventually, after bullseye is released |
| 01:30.56 | velix | ehh self-building day. |
| 01:31.00 | sponix2ipfw | ,v kernel |
| 01:31.01 | judd | No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64. |
| 01:31.09 | oxek | ,kernels |
| 01:31.10 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-6-686 (5.10.28-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-6-686 (5.10.28-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (5.10.24-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-16-686-pae (4.19.181-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.16-686 (4.19.181-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 01:31.11 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
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| 01:31.34 | oxek | velix: why do you need 5.11? |
| 01:31.35 | velix | oxek: Linus released it a few days ago. I think it's too early. |
| 01:31.52 | velix | oxek: There are several changes for usernamespaces: OverlayFS2 is back at default, mount for non-root etc. |
| 01:32.06 | ectospasm | 5.11 has been out for some time. 5.12 was recently released. |
| 01:32.09 | sponix2ipfw | 5.12 released recently |
| 01:32.16 | oxek | velix: aren't those configurable in 5.10 anyway? |
| 01:32.33 | velix | oxek: overlayfs, yeas. Mount for non-root? good question, let me try. |
| 01:32.44 | velix | 5.12 is out? most websites says 5.11 got just released :D |
| 01:33.01 | velix | oops, february. SORRY |
| 01:33.02 | sponix2ipfw | velix: kernel.org |
| 01:33.11 | oxek | I'd like to be able to get 5.10.33 backported to buster. Don't know how I'd build it myself. |
| 01:33.11 | velix | sync time |
| 01:33.20 | oxek | (built in the same way that debian does it) |
| 01:33.57 | velix | oxek: A friend of mine is using Ubuntu kernels on Debian for several years now ;) |
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| 01:34.18 | sponix2ipfw | Hmm |
| 01:34.45 | velix | https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ |
| 01:36.32 | oxek | that's heresy |
| 01:37.37 | velix | Debian should have a bleeding edge community. |
| 01:37.56 | velix | okay, actually it's called Ubuntu :) |
| 01:39.37 | velix | Interesting, Deepin 20.2 got Kernel 5.11 |
| 01:39.48 | velix | That's based on Debian 10.8/10.9 |
| 01:40.21 | velix | aaaaah, it has both using a "dual-kernel capability" |
| 01:40.56 | mutante | what's new about mount for non-root. haven't we had "users" in /etc/fstab since forever? |
| 01:42.26 | sponix2ipfw | velix: if you are using Debian in an attempt to be bleeding edge. You are just doing it wrong |
| 01:42.37 | oxek | velix: sid is bleeding edge |
| 01:42.49 | oxek | (unless we're close to release) |
| 01:43.17 | oxek | we're still lacking a distro that would have DFSG, but also up-to-date software |
| 01:43.58 | mutante | but why would you want bleeding edge? you like to be beta tester? |
| 01:44.04 | oxek | or at least a service that would make keep sid always up-to-date, and allow automatic (or at least trivially easy) backports of all software |
| 01:44.15 | oxek | mutante: sometimes there's a bugfix that you need for work |
| 01:44.23 | oxek | and compiling stuff yourself can be a problem |
| 01:44.31 | ectospasm | If you want bleeding edge or near bleeding edge, go with a rolling release distribution. |
| 01:44.49 | sponix2ipfw | Exactly |
| 01:45.11 | abrotman | or learn how to make packages yourself |
| 01:45.17 | mutante | ok, but generally it seems chances are higher that you get bugs in work that still need to be fixed later |
| 01:45.25 | velix | mutante: At least you can mount overlayfs again, BUT I've read that you also can mount as non-root user. |
| 01:45.54 | velix | sponix2ipfw: I've got virtual machines to test new stuff and to make decisions about the way to go next. |
| 01:46.05 | mutante | velix: I can already mount as non-root though, what am I missing? |
| 01:46.24 | velix | mutante: I never had priviliges to this without sudo? |
| 01:46.39 | sponix2ipfw | mutante: apparently a higher version number |
| 01:46.45 | velix | sponix2ipfw: When next kernel supports something I need, I either need another solution or need to change distribution. |
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| 01:47.18 | mutante | velix: when I plug in a flash drive it gets automatically mounted |
| 01:47.26 | velix | mutante: "mount: only root can do that" |
| 01:47.29 | velix | what OS are you on? |
| 01:47.40 | mutante | velix: use the "user" keyword ? |
| 01:47.46 | velix | mutante: There's a service running in root, which mounts it for you. |
| 01:47.46 | sponix2ipfw | velix: guess I am lucky. My rig is a 2015 model :) |
| 01:48.44 | velix | mutante: `mount --help 2>&1 | grep -i user` I don't have this parameter. |
| 01:49.24 | velix | mutante: are you on Debian 11 maybe? |
| 01:49.31 | sponix2ipfw | I'm lacking the creativity to know why this is a must have feature lol |
| 01:49.48 | velix | sponix2ipfw: I'm running non-root, non-priviliged containers in usernamespace. |
| 01:49.56 | velix | sponix2ipfw: using podman. |
| 01:50.00 | mutante | velix: it's in 'man fstab'. user allow a user to mount |
| 01:50.15 | velix | mutante: fstab isn't being read by a user. it's processed by root |
| 01:50.32 | mutante | velix: yea, root allows users to mount |
| 01:50.37 | mutante | kind of the point of it |
| 01:52.05 | sponix2ipfw | velix: might have a look at Arch. It normally has all the latest and greatest |
| 01:52.19 | ectospasm | within reason |
| 01:52.35 | velix | sponix2ipfw: Yeah, I'm using Arch and Alpine in my rootless containers. |
| 01:52.42 | velix | sponix2ipfw: Base system is Debian here. |
| 01:52.55 | velix | sponix2ipfw: and Gentoo of course. |
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| 02:47.09 | hejux | velix: gentoo in container? |
| 02:48.22 | velix | hejux: https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo-docker-images |
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| 06:23.56 | asarch | What package do I need in order to run i386 binaries on Buster for amd64 (I already did dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt update)? |
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| 06:33.51 | alkisg | asarch: I think it was like `apt-get install libc6:i386 libncurses5:i386 libstdc++6:i386`, if it's not I can look at the dependencies of some of my packages... |
| 06:33.57 | oxek | asarch: the package should tell you |
| 06:35.08 | afidegnum | hi, any insight about my issue? |
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| 06:35.47 | afidegnum | I have installed docker in debian and running a debian based image, yet i'm faceing this error: invoke-rc.d: could not determine current runlevel invoke-rc.d: policy-rc.d denied execution of restart. |
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| 06:40.29 | asarch | ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pulseaudio/libpulsedsp.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64): ignored. |
| 06:40.58 | asarch | And this: /home/asarch/Projects/Squeak/Seaside/Seaside 3.0.app/Contents/Linux-i686/lib/squeak/4.0.3-2202/squeakvm: error while loading shared libraries: libuuid.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 06:43.40 | alkisg | asarch: you'll need all the missing libraries. Try `apt install squeak-vm:i386`, it should install some of the missing dependencies for your project. Isn't it available as a .deb package? |
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| 06:56.11 | asarch | Thank you guys! Thank you very much! :-) |
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| 06:59.46 | alkisg | np |
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| 07:16.10 | jelly | ,v squeak-vm |
| 07:16.11 | judd | Package: squeak-vm on amd64 -- jessie: 1:4.10.2.2614-1.1+b1; stretch: 1:4.10.2.2614-4.1; buster: 1:4.10.2.2614-8; bullseye: 1:4.10.2.2614-8+b1; sid: 1:4.10.2.2614-8+b1 |
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| 08:11.55 | put_in | hi, is it necessary to run "update" before purging a package? |
| 08:12.48 | put_in | necessary/recommended |
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| 08:16.11 | alkisg | In extreme scenarios, I can imagine that it could make a difference, but it's not common. E.g. package a depends on b, newer package a no longer depends on b. If you purge b before updating, you'd also purge a. |
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| 08:20.07 | put_in | alkisg: thank you for your answer. i mean however just "update" not "upgrade" or "full-upgrade" |
| 08:20.15 | put_in | does it still apply then? |
| 08:20.43 | alkisg | I gave an example where "upgrade" would make a difference. "Upgrade" requires "update", so yeah "update" would be needed then. But that example isn't common. |
| 08:20.47 | TheBigK | put_in: i would think purging doesnt do much in that sense... since dependency is calculated on the currently installed package |
| 08:22.16 | put_in | the reason i am asking is because i write a bash script for my server and i want to remove logrotate right away. i will install some packages right afterwards but suddenly i wondered if i should put the purge before the update or after. |
| 08:22.30 | put_in | fair enough, i will purge after the update. :-) thank you both |
| 08:22.41 | jelly | doesn't really matter unless something else depends on logrotate |
| 08:23.02 | TheBigK | put_in: its not wrong doing the update first... so ur welcome :) |
| 08:23.04 | jelly | you can always do an update |
| 08:23.23 | jelly | it doesn't change anything in package state |
| 08:23.24 | alkisg | It's also possible for plain "update" without "upgrade" to make a difference in what's getting purged, but it's even more uncommon... |
| 08:23.39 | ratrace | I think more joules and time were spent thinking and asking about it, than running an update just in case :) |
| 08:23.57 | jelly | alkisg, only on significant changes in repos, eg. release upgrade |
| 08:24.14 | alkisg | jelly: a depends on b|c; purging b might trigger c getting installed |
| 08:24.17 | ratrace | there's also in teh back of my mind a situation where removing a package wanted to _install_ another because there was an either-or dependency.... could be remembering wrong and that wasn't debian |
| 08:24.35 | jelly | alkisg, and existence of c won't change on update. |
| 08:24.46 | alkisg | Dependencies of c might though |
| 08:24.52 | jelly | no, they won't |
| 08:24.52 | alkisg | So different packages might get installed |
| 08:24.57 | TheBigK | isnt that the case with apache2-mpm-worker/prefork? or am i wrong there |
| 08:25.04 | jelly | not within a release |
| 08:25.26 | jelly | (well, okay, there are exceptions) |
| 08:26.07 | jelly | alkisg, changes in binary deps and ABI are a big no-no within a release |
| 08:26.49 | alkisg | jelly: I think I've seen some, for missing dependencies that were added as a bug fix... but I think it's in the "too uncommon to search for" at that point :) |
| 08:26.50 | jelly | so if c follows Debian Policy, it's not bloody likely to happen |
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| 08:27.23 | jelly | if it's a bug fix, then the bug will be fixed, that sounds fine to me |
| 08:27.52 | jelly | and if it's in stable, that'd mean it was a pretty serious bug in the first place |
| 08:28.47 | jelly | testing and sid are completely different in this regard, and so are third-party repos which might not follow debian policy |
| 08:32.51 | jelly | put_in, you can do installation of new stuff and purge in a single commmand with aptitude: aptitude -s install vim-gtk logrotate_ |
| 08:33.30 | jelly | useful if purge would temporarily break some deps |
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| 08:42.54 | put_in | wow i've never heard of that |
| 08:43.00 | put_in | jelly: thanks. |
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| 08:48.34 | jelly | apt-get and apt don't seem to have install [...] package- or package_ |
| 08:49.39 | ratrace | that's a terrible interface |
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| 08:55.51 | jelly | terribly handy |
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| 08:59.24 | ratrace | but, the $1M question is ... is tehre a policy in packaging that forbids package names ending in _ ? I think there is something about - as that has function... but _ ? |
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| 09:28.54 | jelly | ratrace, yes. |
| 09:29.15 | jelly | _ is the delimiter for package_version_arch.deb |
| 09:31.05 | ratrace | jelly: ah yes, the arch. thanks. |
| 09:32.25 | jelly | > Package names (both source and binary, see Package) must consist only of lower case letters (a-z), digits (0-9), plus (+) and minus (-) signs, and periods (.). |
| 09:32.39 | jelly | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-source |
| 09:33.26 | jelly | ra+tra.ce is a valid package name, rat_race would not be |
| 09:36.28 | jelly | nothing about package names ending in - so that's a problem, but there are already ambiguity issues with those ending in + so it's not too huge a deal |
| 09:37.15 | jelly | interestingly aptitude CLI conflict resolution uses _prefixing_ with - and _ instead of suffixing |
| 09:39.26 | ratrace | terrible :)) |
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| 09:49.37 | jelly | does sudoers have a syntax to shortcut several alternative parameters in a command line? %devops ALL=(ALL:ALL) /bin/systemctl {start,stop,restart,status} grafana-server.service |
| 09:51.17 | ratrace | jelly: comma separated maybe, via Cmnd_Alias spec |
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| 09:52.51 | jelly | that would be less readable than one alternative per line |
| 09:53.20 | jelly | command name ::= specs don't say anything about "args" so I'm going with no |
| 09:53.53 | jelly | usually if a man page author bothers to BNF, they're not likely to forget putting a piece of syntax in |
| 09:54.35 | ratrace | jelly: you can definitely put args in command specs |
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| 09:57.13 | ratrace | question is only if something liek this is doable: Cmnd_Alias SYSTEMCTL_CMNDS = /bin/systemctl start, /bin/systemctl stop, ... \n %devops ALL=(ALL:ALL) SYSTEMCTL_CMNDS grafana-server.service |
| 09:57.38 | ratrace | OR grafana-server.service _has_ to be part of Cmnd_Alias, in which case this wouldn't work |
| 09:58.04 | ratrace | like, does it behave like simple string subst, or aliases are parsed in as strict positional arguments |
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| 10:00.09 | ratrace | jelly: MEANWHILE .... the penguin demigods invented polkit. this would be super easy with polkit and some hard dbus on dbus action, methinks. |
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| 10:22.18 | Heradon | Hello guys, i had a problem with my debian VServer. i cant ping a host on the internet (mail-tester.com) on my second root server i can ping (home too) any ideas? |
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| 10:40.04 | ratrace | Heradon: check if you can ping via ipv4 and ipv6 separately (-4 and -6 flags), check if you can ping by hostname and IP address separately |
| 10:40.41 | ratrace | and, describe "can't ping", there's specific error message for specific trouble (dns resolution, routing, ...) |
| 10:40.46 | Heradon | i already checked, i think my ip is blocked |
| 10:41.01 | Heradon | http://paste.debian.net/1195630/ |
| 10:42.10 | ratrace | Heradon: seems like it. tried another ip/hostname? like, google? |
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| 10:42.38 | ratrace | Heradon: ALSO ... note that icmp packets could be blocked, but not tcp/udp. |
| 10:43.12 | Heradon | i can ping google or golem |
| 10:43.40 | Heradon | 64 bytes from 77.247.84.129 (77.247.84.129): icmp_seq=2 ttl=247 time=17.4 ms |
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| 10:59.30 | StarOnD | Hello, willl apt full-upgrade upgrade across multiple releases ? For example Debian 8 to Debian 10 ? |
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| 11:00.57 | StarOnD | Apologies, I mean `apt full-upgrade` |
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| 11:06.23 | NetTerminalGene | StarOnD: as far as i know you have to upgrade to debian 9 and after that debian 10 |
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| 11:08.06 | StarOnD | NetTerminalGene: Thank you. How do I confirm this ? |
| 11:10.57 | NetTerminalGene | StarOnD: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/542459/upgrade-debian-jessie-8-to-buster-10-possible-or-need-to-go-sequential-in-ve/542464#542464 |
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| 11:14.22 | StarOnD | NetTerminalGene: Many thanks. |
| 11:17.34 | StarOnD | NetTerminalGene: What exactly is skip testing ? |
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| 11:23.31 | StarOnD | NetTerminalGene: The article that you shared with me, talks about skip-testing which points to https://piuparts.debian.org/sid/source/m/mingw-w64.html I did not follow what is going on in this page. |
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| 12:12.55 | jelly | ,v hexchat |
| 12:12.56 | judd | Package: hexchat on amd64 -- jessie: 2.10.1-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.12.4-3; stretch-backports: 2.14.2-4~bpo9+1; buster: 2.14.2-4; bullseye: 2.14.3-5; sid: 2.14.3-5 |
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| 12:26.36 | afidegnum | apart from dpkg-reconfigure exim-config what exim files do i configure? |
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| 12:42.15 | abrotman | afidegnum: what? You give it a package, not a file |
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| 13:20.18 | H-var | I compiled kernel 5.12 from the source in debian, but unfortunately it was not able to load |
| 13:20.54 | H-var | something something kernel panic |
| 13:21.04 | H-var | something something shutting down CPUs |
| 13:21.36 | ratrace | something something imgur a screenie :) |
| 13:21.37 | H-var | was anyone able to use debian with kernel 5.12? |
| 13:22.12 | H-var | ratrace, is there a log of it somewhere? |
| 13:22.20 | H-var | some logfile? |
| 13:22.23 | ratrace | H-var: btw, did you go through the 'oldconfig' target after copying from stable's config? |
| 13:22.34 | ratrace | H-var: no, if the kernel didn't load, there's no log |
| 13:22.43 | H-var | I copied the old config |
| 13:22.52 | H-var | and then I loaded it in the graphical menu |
| 13:23.01 | H-var | then I added some drivers, and saved it |
| 13:23.17 | H-var | what's the "oldconfig" target? |
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| 13:24.12 | H-var | is there a good guide anywhere that covers all those things, like "oldconfig" and stuff? |
| 13:24.18 | ratrace | H-var: it's going through _new_ options and asking to set a value. missing this step would've used defaults which may or may not've been sufficient |
| 13:24.37 | ratrace | 5.12 is quite a jump from 4.19 btw, so there'a ton of changes |
| 13:25.03 | jelly | H-var, was it the kernel that failed, or initrd? |
| 13:25.09 | jelly | !debug initramfs |
| 13:25.10 | dpkg | methinks initramfsdebug is http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
| 13:25.34 | H-var | jelly is there a logfile anywhere that I can open? |
| 13:25.43 | jelly | H-var, remove the "quiet" option from kernel boot parameters, and try to detect where things go wrong |
| 13:25.45 | ratrace | if the kernel didn't load, there's no initramfs |
| 13:26.04 | ratrace | kernel panic = didn't load |
| 13:26.10 | jelly | nop |
| 13:26.18 | ratrace | on boot at least |
| 13:26.30 | H-var | actually I am noob, but I think initramfs is the first thing that loads?? |
| 13:26.40 | jelly | kernel panic happens if there's no device with root fs found, too |
| 13:26.48 | H-var | according to what I see during boot? |
| 13:27.05 | ratrace | H-var: no. grub loads the kernel and gives the initramfs _path_ as param, so the kernel unpacks the initramfs in memory and seeks /bin/init and runs it |
| 13:27.37 | H-var | was anyone able to compile and load into debian with 5.12? |
| 13:28.08 | H-var | on an AMD architecture system? |
| 13:28.09 | jelly | is this your first custom kernel? |
| 13:28.22 | H-var | first time always hurts |
| 13:28.24 | ratrace | jelly: yes yes but my point was, if the kernel panicked, it didn't fully load or complete the loading process so there's no initramfs to debug from |
| 13:29.12 | jelly | ratrace, the factoid shows how to stop initramfs in several places to inspect things. You stop it before the panic. |
| 13:29.13 | H-var | ratrace, I can record a video I guess, if you want? |
| 13:29.16 | ratrace | H-var: "into debian" here is irrelevant. there's no "debian" until the kernel loads and starts /sbin/init from the rootfs |
| 13:29.48 | ratrace | H-var: no need, just please imgur a screenshot of the panic message and trace, AND run without "quiet" as jelly suggested |
| 13:29.54 | H-var | ratrace, you're right - maybe there are issues with my hardware on 5.12 |
| 13:30.11 | jelly | it's too early to say that |
| 13:30.59 | H-var | I will finish compiling 5.11, and try installing that first, and then I'll boot into 5.12 and screenshot the error |
| 13:31.31 | jelly | and based on my experience, if you started with debian's everything-and-the-kitchen-sink .config, it's more likely you have a working kernel and initrd failing, than the kernel failing before initrd |
| 13:31.33 | H-var | have you tried 5.12 already? Is it working for you? |
| 13:31.58 | jelly | debian thankfully allows us to NOT have to build custom kernels |
| 13:32.41 | jelly | in most situations, that is |
| 13:32.43 | ratrace | unless you need to :) |
| 13:32.56 | jelly | you mean, unless you buy very latest hardware |
| 13:33.21 | ratrace | no I don't mean that. I run kernel.org current LTS, ahead of Stalebian's updates |
| 13:33.39 | jelly | I like what debian kernel team ships. |
| 13:34.02 | jelly | we roll with that |
| 13:34.14 | ratrace | because the kernel devs _want_ everyone to run latest, and they designed the (stable) patching policies around that requir^W desire. |
| 13:34.33 | H-var | I bought this fucking mini pci-e card and it's not supported in 5.10. Debian plans 5.11 in 2022, so now I have to compile this shit on my own like some hacker. I don't even know what I'm doing. |
| 13:34.39 | jelly | I think the only place we have custom kernel on debian is on some public exposed infra, where grsecurity is applied |
| 13:35.28 | jelly | H-var, please file a bug report for the kernel version in bullseye and ask for a backport of all the bluetooth and wifi bits to bullseye kernel. |
| 13:35.29 | ratrace | H-var: since you've been at this for the past several days..... could it be fastre/cheaper to just buy another, more compatible card? :) |
| 13:35.37 | H-var | I have no idea what is going on |
| 13:36.12 | jelly | _you_ have to compile it now, but maybe the next user with AX210 won't have to |
| 13:37.09 | H-var | so I just paste a screenshot, and explain what is not working, and they might add it to 5.10? |
| 13:37.28 | H-var | but they already fixed it in kernel |
| 13:37.39 | H-var | only, the fix is available in 5.11 |
| 13:37.59 | ratrace | jelly: how does that process work btw... are such driver backports trickling down into stable point releases or one has to wait for debian-next? |
| 13:38.20 | H-var | you mean report on the debian's bugreport website, not the kernel.org website? |
| 13:38.33 | ratrace | yes |
| 13:38.50 | H-var | !bugreport |
| 13:38.53 | H-var | !bug |
| 13:38.54 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 13:43.58 | H-var | haha BTS |
| 13:44.38 | jelly | ratrace, you report a bug against package version in release X, you expect it to be fixed in release X |
| 13:44.54 | jelly | kernel team isn't dumb like some other maintainers |
| 13:45.01 | jelly | "fixed in sid, closing" |
| 13:45.47 | jelly | as if the users reported a bug to fixed in 2 years |
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| 13:46.46 | H-var | but it wants me to tell the package name |
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| 13:51.09 | jelly | dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz*5.10* |
| 13:51.10 | dpkg | Badgers ate my /boot/vmlinuz*5.10*! |
| 13:51.40 | jelly | ... will tell you the package name for a file |
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| 13:52.27 | H-var | what file jelly? |
| 13:53.20 | jelly | H-var, the kernel that you tried |
| 13:54.29 | jelly | if you don't know the package name, but you know a file path, you can find the package name using dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 13:56.32 | jelly | so if you do a dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-* ... it will report all the package names for kernels that are installed and that ship files starting with vmlinuz- in /boot directory |
| 13:56.52 | jelly | linux-image-5.10.0-6-cloud-amd64: /boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-6-cloud-amd64 |
| 13:57.15 | jelly | is an example result of that, and "linux-image-5.10.0-6-cloud-amd64" is the package name |
| 13:57.41 | H-var | oh, I see now. I will make a screenshot of the error during the boot of 5.12, and then report it to the debian bugtracking system mentioning the output of dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz*5.12 as the package |
| 13:58.02 | jelly | 5.12 is your custom kernel |
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| 13:58.34 | jelly | you report distro bugs for things that come from the distro |
| 13:59.43 | H-var | so I will need to report it to kernel.org instead then |
| 13:59.56 | jelly | but fail to work. So you'd complain to Debian to say "your bloody linux-image-5.10.0-6-cloud-amd64 doesn't work right with my AX210 PCI ID [8086:2725] Subsystem [8086:4020] card," |
| 14:01.03 | jelly | H-var, there are two different tracks here. First is making a custom kernel and verifying it supports your hw. Second is reporting that the distro kernel does not make your hw work correctly. |
| 14:01.40 | jelly | H-var, you don't, in general complain to upstream kernel that you didn't know how to build and run your kernel |
| 14:02.00 | jelly | that's on you |
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| 14:04.23 | H-var | thank you so much |
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| 14:46.16 | H-var | ratrace I uploaded the photo of the kernel panic fatal exception: https://i.postimg.cc/Nf5dd6fH/111.jpg |
| 14:47.16 | H-var | I have just compiled the 5.11 and it loaded perfectly fine, and AX210 works perfectly with all the newest features |
| 14:49.40 | jelly | oh noes! |
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| 14:49.46 | jelly | er, I mean |
| 14:49.49 | jelly | !win H-var |
| 14:49.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, H-var! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 14:53.13 | H-var | thank you, do you really mean that? |
| 14:53.22 | H-var | or you just like other men... |
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| 15:01.59 | jelly | H-var, at 4-5 seconds in, that panic on 5.12 looks like an actual bug in iwlwifi |
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| 15:09.36 | H-var | yeah, it's that iwlwifi thing there - right after it everything crashed |
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| 15:10.54 | H-var | I guess the issue is that the driver is written for 5.11 and is not adaptable to 5.12 or something. Idk, but if anyone wants to buy AX210 - you can buy it. It works perfectly on 5.11 kernel. |
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| 15:11.31 | jelly | H-var, you did grab the latest 5.11, right? 5.11.17 |
| 15:11.54 | H-var | the latest one that there is |
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| 15:12.19 | H-var | 5.11.17 from 28.04.2021 |
| 15:12.40 | jelly | good |
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| 15:13.05 | H-var | https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/product-briefs/wi-fi-6e-ax210-product-brief.pdf |
| 15:13.10 | H-var | here is the presentation |
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| 15:13.38 | vsk | Hi my debian 10 laptop freezes all of a sudden when I watching Youtube videos. I have checked all the logs in the log viewer but could not identify anything.....what other facts I have to search please guide me |
| 15:14.20 | H-var | overheating CPU? |
| 15:14.34 | H-var | or damaged GPU\CPU |
| 15:14.36 | vsk | all logs mean : kern.log, sys.log, message.log |
| 15:14.44 | H-var | maybe it was overheated once before |
| 15:15.09 | vsk | H-var how should I find that out...is it logged anywhere . I would like to know exact reason |
| 15:15.24 | H-var | if CPU or GPU was overheated one time, it can crash next times even under low temperatures |
| 15:15.48 | H-var | you can't find that out... |
| 15:16.08 | vsk | H-var I live in a hot climate, temperature are soaring upto 40 degrees......so for sure CPU can heat but not cool down |
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| 15:16.15 | H-var | the only way to find out is to swap CPUs or GPU |
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| 15:16.45 | vsk | H-var by swap you mean to physically change the CPU and replace with another one |
| 15:17.02 | H-var | yes |
| 15:17.10 | H-var | if you say that there are no errors in the logs... |
| 15:18.17 | vsk | H-var as per my knowledge and understanding which is limited ofcourse.......regarding the overheating thing I could see message like this i am not sure if that is cause............my point is I could not find any major descriptive thing....which seem like error there could be minor things |
| 15:18.52 | H-var | actually what you can do is you can download a stress test application |
| 15:19.03 | H-var | stress test your CPU GPU and RAM under full load |
| 15:19.12 | H-var | without opening any other stuff |
| 15:19.28 | H-var | better loading into terminal instead of desktop, and test from there |
| 15:20.44 | H-var | but even, if they pass the tests, there could still be some other hardware issues - something wrong with the motherboard |
| 15:20.57 | vsk | H-var this is what I saw in syslog few seconds before it froze.........also i does not happen occasionally once in 2 days esp when i watch youtube....first video stops playing then I close browser tab....slowly browzer also stops responding then whole pc |
| 15:21.09 | vsk | H-var Apr 29 19:33:03 Orion dhclient[650]: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.100.8 on wlp12s0 to 192.168.100.1 port 67 |
| 15:21.09 | vsk | Apr 29 19:33:03 Orion dhclient[650]: DHCPACK of 192.168.100.8 from 192.168.100.1 |
| 15:21.58 | vsk | H-var my pc is connected to wifi router my IP address is given dhcp so occassionaly the above thing is logged |
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| 15:22.55 | H-var | well, if you feel like something is wrong with that, try connecting with a lan cable, and disabling the wifi? |
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| 15:23.56 | oxek | I ran `apt upgrade` and at the end of it had this error message "needrestart is being skipped since dpkg has failed" |
| 15:24.09 | oxek | I have the needrestart package installed to find out if I need to restart after upgrades |
| 15:24.17 | oxek | where can I find information about why dpkg failed? |
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| 15:24.30 | vsk | H-var around the same time I saw cpu throttle message "Apr 29 18:56:52 Orion kernel: [16536.254536] CPU1: Core temperature/speed normal |
| 15:24.30 | vsk | Apr 29 19:02:01 Orion kernel: [16845.151198] CPU1: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 14075)" like this messages are repeating for about a min |
| 15:24.55 | oxek | /var/log/dpkg has nothing of interest |
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| 15:25.37 | vsk | H-var this CPU temperature above threshold messages came about 20m before the freeze event |
| 15:25.37 | H-var | vsk that's the problem - cpu should be able to continue working even under 100% continuous load |
| 15:26.03 | H-var | even under 24/7 continuous 100% load CPU should never fail |
| 15:26.49 | afidegnum | hi, please what can you suggest for this exim4 config? I want to configure 2 servers, one relay mails to the second server which send outside. what additional confugraitons do i apply? |
| 15:26.59 | vsk | H-var right i am using 4GB RAM, 4GB swap and core 2 duo processor 2.33GHz.........is it supported for modern firefox-esr browser and debian 10 |
| 15:27.07 | afidegnum | here is my current configs https://dpaste.org/7656#L3 |
| 15:27.14 | haijuno | What if the cpu overheats and breaks? |
| 15:28.40 | mtn | haijuno: you get to buy a new one |
| 15:28.47 | H-var | vsk try cleaning your laptop, cpu fan, and apply a new good paste, and then try using a linux setup that loads CPU the least |
| 15:29.19 | haijuno | :D |
| 15:29.46 | jelly | a core2duo laptop is 10-12 years old by this point |
| 15:29.53 | vsk | H-var this is maximum CPU version that my hardware supports laptop is nearly 15years old |
| 15:30.07 | H-var | yeah, it's way too old, but I tested such laptops with debian 10 + sfce |
| 15:30.10 | H-var | xfce |
| 15:30.13 | jelly | repasting and cleaning the fans should have been done like 2-3 times now |
| 15:30.16 | H-var | and they run perfectly fine |
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| 15:30.56 | H-var | his CPU is overheating probably because fan is dirty, and cpu throttling is not implemented well |
| 15:31.20 | vsk | jelly : last time I opened the CPU fan 2 years back |
| 15:32.26 | vsk | H-var ok i will try that ....regarding "CPU throttling is not implemented well" anything I can do in this regard |
| 15:32.37 | H-var | you can do a really simple life hack - buy those plastic sexy stockings, cut them to size, fold into 2 layers, and cover all the PC holes with them |
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| 15:35.42 | H-var | I did that, and it works perfectly. |
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| 15:39.44 | vsk | H-var if we cover all the PC holes then internal CPU fan will not be able to blow hot air out..... |
| 15:40.01 | H-var | it's a mesh |
| 15:40.07 | H-var | the air comes through it |
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| 15:40.27 | afidegnum | any insight ? |
| 15:40.50 | vsk | H-var your idea is to protect the PC from outside dust |
| 15:42.33 | H-var | yes because that's where dust is coming from |
| 15:42.37 | H-var | it coming from outside |
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| 15:42.59 | H-var | unless your laptop is so old, that it is becoming dust itself |
| 15:43.15 | vsk | H-var ok thanks for all suggestions I will try what is possible.....yes 2 years back when i opened my laptop to apply paste |
| 15:43.32 | vsk | H-var there was lot of dust I had use hair dryer to blow all the dust |
| 15:43.38 | H-var | buy some stockings and cover the holes |
| 15:44.14 | vsk | hmm |
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| 15:44.51 | andrew_smart | vsk consider seeing if in this "frozen" condition you're able to switch to a virtual console, e.g. ctrl+alt+f2, or using magic sysrq keys to see if you're able to get the system responsive again |
| 15:45.53 | jelly | "hey your laptop looks sexy" |
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| 15:46.21 | H-var | vsk https://postimg.cc/gallery/2WL0jdJ |
| 15:46.32 | jelly | vsk is gone |
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| 15:54.56 | H-var | here's my pc https://postimg.cc/gallery/8VwBzxK |
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| 15:55.18 | H-var | it's a mini-ITX with 3 radiators, and 2 pumps inside :D |
| 15:55.44 | H-var | 2 280mm radiators and 1 140mm radiator |
| 15:56.41 | H-var | I cut out holes in the top panel in order to facilitate the passage of air for the top fan |
| 15:57.18 | H-var | fans* |
| 15:59.59 | H-var | two pumps was totally unnecessary, but it looks cool |
| 16:01.31 | H-var | the PSU is hidden behind the video card. Air from the front fans cools down the radiator, and then goes right into the PSU's fan, and then it comes out from the top of the PSU and right into the top radiator, and fans, and then finally escapes through the top |
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| 16:52.57 | H-var | didn't know kernel.org is owned by the Atmosera Inc multibillion dollar corporation |
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| 16:54.06 | H-var | also, a CEO of Microsoft |
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| 16:58.00 | teclo- | wow ? |
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| 16:58.11 | teclo- | kernel.org owned by M*crosoft ? really ? |
| 16:58.17 | teclo- | that is unfortunate |
| 16:59.22 | sney | H-var: when talking about something you don't understand, try asking a question, it makes you look less pants-on-head |
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| 17:00.02 | another | H-var: got any references for that claim? |
| 17:00.16 | sney | kernel.org is supported by sponsors, because the linux foundation is a non-profit. big non-profits get support from corporations. this is normal. companies like atmosera and google and microsoft and so on have a lot of money, so they provide things, that might include servers. |
| 17:00.33 | petn-randall | H-var: "This site is operated by the Linux Kernel Organization, Inc., a 501(c)3 nonprofit corporation, with support from the following sponsors." |
| 17:00.41 | petn-randall | None of those are Atmosera. |
| 17:00.51 | sney | "atmosera owns kernel.org" is wrong; "atmosera provides some infrastructure to the linux foundation" is accurate but your interpretation is stupid. |
| 17:01.20 | H-var | just found it interesting that kernel.org is owned by Atmosera Inc, and this company is owned by Microsoft's CEO, that's all... |
| 17:02.02 | sney | some parts of kernel.org live on a computer provided by atmosera, you mean. |
| 17:02.05 | sney | oh noes. |
| 17:02.06 | petn-randall | H-var: You haven't provided any sources. Until you do, I'll assume you made that up. |
| 17:02.30 | another | whois begs to differ |
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| 17:05.46 | H-var | oh, I see. It's just when I tried to open an email that arrived from kernel.org, my email client warned me about "Dangerous content", and I was prompted to verify the owner of that email. After a verification, it said that the owner of the electronic letter was Atmosera |
| 17:05.49 | H-var | inc |
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| 17:08.50 | H-var | I'm not saying it's bad, just saying, it's interesting that's all geesh.. |
| 17:09.07 | sney | H-var: see why you should lead with a question rather than a dumbass unsupported claim? |
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| 17:10.15 | another | there's so much wrong with that, i don't even know where to begin |
| 17:10.33 | H-var | I know, right... |
| 17:10.51 | H-var | Microsoft holds the servers of kernel.org... |
| 17:11.00 | another | to clarify: i meant your statement |
| 17:11.35 | sney | "hey this is weird, why is this other company verifying emails from kernel.org?" "because corporate sponsors provide stuff to big non-profits whose tech they use." "ohh that makes sense, thanks for the explanation" |
| 17:11.36 | another | please stop spreading bullshit conspiracies |
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| 17:14.18 | H-var | okay-okay - I know you guys know about it since forever, but I just found that out now. Just wanted to share. I didn't know everyone knows about it |
| 17:15.03 | sney | ah, greycat, you just missed some fodder for a few really good plonks |
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| 17:22.32 | ratrace | even if microsoft literally directly owned the domain and servers .... so what. they're already a significant contributor to the kernel code. they already own the infrastructure for vast majority of FOSS ecosystem, namely teh github. |
| 17:23.59 | alex11 | (off topic but) i do think we ultimately need some sort of decentralized code hosting website |
| 17:24.48 | jelly | alex11, every time you do a "git clone" there's a decentralized copy. |
| 17:25.05 | another | if anyone cares: i dug a bit into it. 198.145.29.0/24 is registed to the the Linux Foundation and routed and announced by 198.145.0.0/19, AS2044 Atmosera |
| 17:25.25 | alex11 | yeah, but i mean stuff like github but unable to be owned by a company |
| 17:25.37 | sussudio | without googling, is it just hosted on azure? |
| 17:25.50 | sney | do it like kernel.org, where the companies are welcome to sponsor but they don't control what the service does |
| 17:26.17 | sney | atm with github, technically microsoft could decide that some part of it isn't making enough money to justify keeping online, and bye-bye that part |
| 17:26.30 | sney | but yes we're getting into the ot weeds |
| 17:28.05 | aminvakil | alex11: i can't remember very well, but there was an incident in 2012 or 2013 where kernel.org got hacked somehow and nothing happened as everyone had a copy of source code on their pc |
| 17:28.43 | aminvakil | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel.org#2011_attack |
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| 17:29.42 | ratrace | alex11: git != github. if github literally disappeared today, all that code is in git trees of each contributor for each project. issues and other things may've perished, but that's all |
| 17:30.00 | alex11 | ok, but it's still the basis for project discovery |
| 17:30.46 | aminvakil | alex11: do you have any other alternative? |
| 17:30.50 | ratrace | then everyone would re-origin to gitlab and discovery would be restored |
| 17:31.14 | alex11 | not currently, but i'm talking in idealist terms |
| 17:31.38 | another | there are people who use github for discovery? |
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| 17:32.38 | alex11 | yes because everybody puts their projects there |
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| 17:34.30 | another | certainly not everybody |
| 17:34.55 | alex11 | okay, but it's still the de facto place for a lot of things |
| 17:35.19 | alex11 | and if microsoft decided (or any company, this isn't specifically anti microsoft) to Be Evil migrating all these things to some other website would be a chore |
| 17:35.41 | another | sure. but i discover project usually by a link somewhere. not by using gh |
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| 17:48.41 | H-var | "you can sponsor me, but you can't control me!" Sounds like a slogan for those kind of girls on instagram haha |
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| 17:53.54 | sussudio | do you have anything debian-related to contribute, H-var? |
| 17:54.23 | H-var | yes, I submitted my first ever bug report today |
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| 17:54.40 | H-var | I'm not a programmer, but it will help a programmer somewhere in the world |
| 17:54.46 | sussudio | that's not what this channel is for |
| 17:55.07 | H-var | yes, I submitted it on the bugtracker |
| 17:55.10 | H-var | not here |
| 18:01.35 | H-var | I honestly don't understand why people called me "conspiracy" and lost their minds just because I casually mentioned it. I don't accuse anyone. I was just like "huh, that's funny" that's all. If I knew someone would be upset, I would rather just not say anything at all |
| 18:02.09 | imMute | I think most of the upsetness comes from it being wildly off topic |
| 18:02.51 | imMute | and it was stated more as a fact than an a curiosity. and it being very wrong played into that. |
| 18:05.06 | H-var | it's what my email client said "would you like to verify the owner"? I clicked YES, and it said "Owner: Atmosera Inc". So I thought @kernel.org's owner is Atmosera Inc. I mean, I trust my email client... In any case, it was programmed by a way more intelligent person than me, so I didn't even have a thought of doubt |
| 18:06.08 | H-var | if they are wrong, then I am wrong. That's it. |
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| 18:09.52 | imMute | I think it's more you're not understanding what "Owner" means in your email client. whois says kernel.org "Registrant Organization: The Linux Foundation" |
| 18:10.25 | greycat | owner *of what* was my initial thought |
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| 18:10.40 | greycat | I'm guessing some sort of TLS certificate or PGP signature key |
| 18:13.14 | another | as i mentioned earlier: the Foundations' /24 is a subset of a /19 by Atmosera |
| 18:13.26 | another | I suppose that might be it |
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| 18:15.45 | another | why any mail client would even do that kind of check is beyond me |
| 18:16.09 | H-var | because it suspected that the email had a dangerous content |
| 18:16.15 | greycat | antispam is the only thing I can think of |
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| 18:16.40 | H-var | maybe a poor email filter score |
| 18:16.45 | imMute | H-var: "a dangerous content" is worse than whatever could possibly have been in the email... |
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| 18:21.09 | oxek | I ran `apt upgrade` and at the end of it had this error message "needrestart is being skipped since dpkg has failed" |
| 18:21.16 | oxek | I have the needrestart package installed to find out if I need to restart after upgrades |
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| 18:21.23 | oxek | /var/log/dpkg has nothing of interest |
| 18:21.29 | oxek | where can I find information about why dpkg failed? |
| 18:23.07 | H-var | can you post the whole output of the upgrade process? |
| 18:23.20 | H-var | on paste.debian.net |
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| 18:23.34 | greycat | or simply *read* the whole output of it yourself... |
| 18:24.46 | sussudio | oxek: apt-get -f install ? |
| 18:25.13 | oxek | https://0x0.st/-aKP.txt is the whole output |
| 18:25.35 | oxek | I didn't run any apt commands after this, because I don't want to taint any logs |
| 18:26.26 | Piggy | tainted log oh ohoo |
| 18:26.49 | H-var | I feel like something's missing in there? |
| 18:26.53 | greycat | that's not how log files work |
| 18:27.27 | oxek | H-var: what do you mean? That's the entire output I saw on the screen |
| 18:27.41 | greycat | I don't *see* any other failures in there, so maybe google the error message that you got and see if there's a known bug in needrestart |
| 18:28.40 | oxek | I googled before coming here |
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| 18:37.06 | jelly | oxek, needrestart isn't perfect, no idea where it's getting that from |
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| 18:38.10 | sussudio | either run needrestart -v or apt-get -f install |
| 18:38.18 | oxek | I'm more worried about dpkg returning some error code |
| 18:38.35 | greycat | well it didn't so stop worrying |
| 18:38.36 | oxek | `apt-get -f upgrade` did not show any problems, everything seems to have been upgraded |
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| 18:41.13 | H-var | On August 8 it will be a full year since I logged into windows last time. I wanna buy a cake lol, but I do not know what to write on it. How about "sudo apt upgrade" xD |
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| 18:46.16 | jelly | oxek, the only remotely unusual thing dpkg did there was forcing a deconfigure of a package at line 56 |
| 18:46.38 | jelly | doesn't happen often in a regular safe-upgrade |
| 18:48.53 | oxek | I don't know why it would do that |
| 18:48.56 | jelly | it could maybe be possible that counts as a failure in a dpkg run? |
| 18:49.05 | oxek | maybe, it certainly stands out |
| 18:49.10 | jelly | you can see where the error is coming from in /usr/lib/needrestart/apt-pinvoke, |
| 18:49.44 | jelly | which is hooked into dpkg from /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99needrestart |
| 18:51.32 | jelly | ,v needrestart |
| 18:51.33 | judd | Package: needrestart on amd64 -- jessie: 1.2-8+deb8u1; stretch: 2.11-3+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 3.4-5~bpo9+1; buster: 3.4-5; bullseye: 3.5-2; sid: 3.5-4 |
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| 18:58.19 | chriss_toni | Hello I have trouble with my bluetooth. I'm new on debian. |
| 18:58.40 | chriss_toni | $ sudo dmesg | grep blue |
| 18:58.41 | chriss_toni | [ 26.056485] bluetooth hci0: firmware: failed to load brcm/BCM43142A0-0489-e062.hcd (-2) |
| 18:58.41 | chriss_toni | [ 26.056737] bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load for brcm/BCM43142A0-0489-e062.hcd failed with error -2 |
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| 18:59.09 | greycat | well obvious first step is to install the package that has your missing firmware |
| 18:59.18 | greycat | ,file BCM43142A0-0489-e062.hcd |
| 18:59.21 | chriss_toni | can everyone send me a link to the right driver? |
| 18:59.23 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 18:59.31 | greycat | ,file BCM43142A0-0489-e062.hcd --release buster-backports |
| 18:59.33 | judd | No packages in buster-backports/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 18:59.39 | sussudio | and probably adding contrib and non-free to your sources.list |
| 18:59.40 | greycat | *shrug* |
| 18:59.40 | imMute | greycat: it's not in any release |
| 18:59.47 | chriss_toni | uff |
| 18:59.53 | greycat | google it is, then |
| 19:00.28 | chriss_toni | okay great |
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| 19:02.18 | chriss_toni | when i have my driver found please who i have to copy this driver in ? |
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| 19:02.25 | chriss_toni | Sorry my bad english |
| 19:02.26 | H-var | chriss_toni if you see firmware: failed to load - it means that probably you do not have that file. You can get that file from here: https://github.com/winterheart/broadcom-bt-firmware/tree/master/brcm |
| 19:02.31 | jelly | BCM4314 sounds similar to those wifi card from broadcom where you have to use a fwcutter tool to slice the firmware out of their blob |
| 19:02.45 | sussudio | firmware-brcm80211 is in non-free, so what i said before. don't know if this also contains BCM4313. |
| 19:03.01 | jelly | chriss_toni, you would put the file exactly at /lib/firmware/brcm/BCM43142A0-0489-e062.hcd |
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| 19:05.12 | jelly | sussudio, but if doesn't have that file, judd would have found it |
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| 19:05.35 | jelly | s/if/it/ |
| 19:06.04 | jelly | !BCM43142 |
| 19:06.05 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM43142 is a hybrid 802.11n and Bluetooth 4.0 device. Its wireless LAN component (PCI ID 14e4:4365, incorrectly identified as BCM4365 by Broadcom's proprietary driver) is currently only supported by Broadcom's proprietary driver since version 6.30.223.126 (packaged for Debian 8 "Jessie" as broadcom-sta-dkms). |
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| 19:06.48 | jelly | that might be outdated info since clearly SOME driver is bound and wants some firmware |
| 19:07.47 | H-var | it's always an issue with those bluetooth drivers and linux |
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| 19:11.13 | chriss_toni | I've found the driver on Github. thx for the Link. Who can i load this driver with no reboot. I have packed it on the right Path. |
| 19:11.19 | jelly | first result on goog's gives a github repo with that binary file. Maybe it's kosher, maybe it's malware for your radio chip, who knows! |
| 19:11.33 | chriss_toni | what? |
| 19:11.43 | jelly | chriss_toni, the easiest thing to do is indeed a reboot |
| 19:11.54 | chriss_toni | oki. |
| 19:12.08 | chriss_toni | what is malware? jelly |
| 19:12.24 | jelly | malicious software |
| 19:13.00 | chriss_toni | thx but i need this driver for my Mocrosoft Mous. |
| 19:13.28 | chriss_toni | When i install this driver what is waiting for me? |
| 19:13.30 | greycat | firmware, not driver |
| 19:14.13 | chriss_toni | yes. oki i was a windows user.. ^.^ |
| 19:14.19 | chriss_toni | befor |
| 19:14.34 | sney | it's probably as safe as anything you'd download for windows |
| 19:14.41 | sney | we just don't know, because the source isn't visible |
| 19:14.49 | greycat | Drivers are loaded into the Linux kernel and run on your computer. Firmware is loaded into your device, and runs on that device. |
| 19:15.07 | jelly | it's as safe as any random github repo -- we don't know what's in there |
| 19:15.43 | chriss_toni | okay. |
| 19:16.38 | chriss_toni | the security on my laptop is okay when i use this firmware. it's safe for me. best thx. |
| 19:17.06 | chriss_toni | But a nother firmware was a kosher way |
| 19:17.09 | chriss_toni | ... |
| 19:17.17 | chriss_toni | öhm... |
| 19:17.23 | sney | with broadcom + bluetooth, this is probably your only option. |
| 19:17.58 | chriss_toni | sorry you mean a stick per usb?? |
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| 19:20.08 | chriss_toni | i need a reboot i hope it's all okay after them. Amen |
| 19:20.15 | chriss_toni | Big thx!! |
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| 19:53.48 | k` | hey guys -- does this look right? |
| 19:53.49 | k` | https://pastebin.com/N0xjCN6g |
| 19:53.57 | k` | i'm trying to do unattended upgrades -- for security and regular updates |
| 19:54.18 | k` | i'm guessing i need to uncomment out "origin=Debian,codename=${distro_codename}-updates"; as well |
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| 20:36.20 | monkwitdafunk | yay! i have a person giving me three free DVD-R for burning debian |
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| 20:39.15 | jelly | might as well start using them for coasters even before burning |
| 20:40.14 | jelly | dvd+r have been slightly more reliable for me, but only slightly |
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| 20:46.04 | monkwitdafunk | i havent had much luck with burning to DVD-RW |
| 20:46.13 | monkwitdafunk | weird |
| 20:46.37 | monkwitdafunk | i havent had much luck dd to usb either |
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| 20:47.03 | mutante | do you actually need to install while offline? |
| 20:47.32 | mutante | most of us dont bother with burning more than the netinstall |
| 20:47.39 | monkwitdafunk | net-install rather than debian 10.9.0 amd64? |
| 20:47.43 | mutante | and pull everything from the net when we actually need it |
| 20:47.47 | mutante | yea |
| 20:47.54 | mutante | netinstall from flash drive |
| 20:48.00 | mutante | and let it pull stuff from the net |
| 20:48.11 | mutante | only what you actually install then |
| 20:48.19 | monkwitdafunk | that is what i should have done |
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| 20:49.01 | metbsd | hmm should i keep debian testing or ubuntu? hard to pick |
| 20:49.07 | metbsd | they are pretty much same |
| 20:49.39 | mutante | this channel has bias for debian of course |
| 20:50.18 | metbsd | yes ok |
| 20:50.39 | monkwitdafunk | as long as you dont waste precious data you are okay. i am using 4G LTE |
| 20:51.00 | jhutchins | monkwitdafunk: There's not much luck involved with burning an iso to a usb drive. Checksum your download, use the correct command and you should have no problems. If you have problems, post the command you used here and will set you straight. |
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| 20:51.52 | mutante | nowadays an actual "cp" of an iso to a (flash) drive works, back in the days you had to dd |
| 20:52.04 | monkwitdafunk | thank you jhutchins. yeah. i am rusty with my command line as i stopped using a computer longer than 30 minutes for maybe 3 years |
| 20:52.26 | monkwitdafunk | cp? |
| 20:52.28 | sney | a common problem with the DVD isos is people trying to boot from the DVD-2 (or 3, 4, etc) images, which don't contain a bootloader or installer progam, just packages |
| 20:52.32 | mutante | yea, like copy |
| 20:52.34 | sney | only disc 1 can boot and install |
| 20:52.51 | jhutchins | monkwitdafunk: Actually, I believe cp always worked, it just wasn't much advertised. |
| 20:53.05 | metbsd | does testing have security fix? |
| 20:53.26 | monkwitdafunk | jhutchins, have you herd of die.net? |
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| 20:54.23 | monkwitdafunk | where does one find every single man page or help/info |
| 20:54.36 | sney | metbsd: at this point in the freeze, testing security can be delayed for a couple of reasons |
| 20:54.51 | sney | metbsd: but it does get the fixes eventually |
| 20:55.21 | jmcnaught | monkwitdafunk: https://manpages.debian.org/ has man pages at least, but there are other sources of documentation such as -doc packages, /usr/share/doc/$package contents, GNU info pages etc. |
| 20:56.29 | monkwitdafunk | yes. i almost forgot. i am so rusty but i am back |
| 20:56.45 | mutante | monkwitdafunk: I couldn't resist the chance to say it: 'man man' (but to give you a better answer, yea. die.net is actually somewhat well known for man pages) |
| 20:57.57 | mutante | more literal answer maybe something like "man --all *" |
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| 21:00.56 | monkwitdafunk | i think offline help is nice so /usr/share/doc contents and man 1 2 3 to 7 |
| 21:04.57 | monkwitdafunk | so! thank you people of debian channel. this has inspired me to read more of the debian user manual. (Y) |
| 21:06.06 | andrew_smart | I miss seeing RTFM in forums. I feel like that was more common a decade ago... before Ubuntu came along? |
| 21:06.41 | jmcnaught | monkwitdafunk: You may also be interested in the debian-reference and debian-handbook packages. |
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| 21:07.35 | monkwitdafunk | is debian-reference available as pdf? |
| 21:07.52 | monkwitdafunk | i feel like using my tablet |
| 21:08.35 | jmcnaught | ,f debian-reference.en.pdf |
| 21:08.38 | mutante | https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 21:12.34 | monkwitdafunk | okay. i have to brb if i am not going to install lockout to keep productivity at least fair :-) thank you |
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| 21:17.01 | jhutchins | monkwitdafunk: Sorry for the lag, was doing other things. What is die.net? |
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| 21:32.50 | jelly | ,v localslackirc |
| 21:32.51 | judd | Package: localslackirc on amd64 -- buster: 1.2-1; bullseye: 1.11-1; sid: 1.11-1 |
| 21:33.00 | jelly | ,checkbackport localslackirc |
| 21:33.01 | judd | Backporting package localslackirc in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: python3-typedload (>= 2), debhelper-compat (= 13). |
| 21:33.14 | jelly | ,checkbackport python3-typedload |
| 21:33.16 | judd | Backporting package python3-typedload in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: mypy (>= 0.740), debhelper-compat (= 13). |
| 21:33.24 | jelly | sigh |
| 21:33.31 | jelly | ,checkbackport mypy |
| 21:33.32 | judd | Backporting package mypy in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13), python3-typed-ast (>= 1.4.0). |
| 21:33.43 | jelly | bullseye it is! |
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| 21:59.33 | NetTerminalGene | I WANT BULLSEYE NEAWW! |
| 21:59.48 | sney | ok |
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| 22:35.48 | H-var | I'll have to disappoint you, NetTerminalGene - bullseye is buster, but |
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| 22:37.23 | H-var | super mega million times better!!! and there are colors! The colors are so beautiful! OMG!!! It's the most wonderful upgrade in the universe a humen being can ever desire!!! Once you go bulleye you never go back |
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| 22:46.40 | mutante | What do you use to make a network diagram? |
| 22:46.44 | mutante | dia? |
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| 22:47.51 | mutante | I guess people just google for an online tool and don't even install a package for it anymore |
| 22:49.06 | sney | I used libreoffice draw last time I needed to make a formal diagram for something, which was years ago |
| 22:49.14 | sney | it's probably still decent at it |
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| 22:49.37 | mutante | I was about to use MS Paint "ironically" and make it shitty looking but then actually use it on a ticket |
| 22:49.42 | mutante | for the fun |
| 22:49.45 | sney | haha |
| 22:50.11 | sney | no matter how ironically bad you make it, there will always be something out there that's worse, and made sincerely |
| 22:50.17 | mutante | lol |
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| 22:55.36 | karlpinc | mutante: I use dia. Unfortunately, it does not seem to be getting upgraded to python3. At least not last I looked. So its days are numbered. |
| 22:56.16 | karlpinc | mutante: Inkscape works. But, "eh". Not really so good for ER diagrams, which is what I want. |
| 22:57.03 | mutante | thanks karlpinc and sney. ah... python3-only on bullseye make people notice all the python2-only things :( |
| 22:57.11 | mutante | but it was time |
| 22:57.15 | karlpinc | mutante: I think that inkscape will actually work for er diagrams in bullseye. Something was missing in buster, but I forget exactly what. And still, kinda "eh". |
| 22:57.30 | mutante | i'll take a look, thanks |
| 22:58.35 | mutante | installs inkscape on buster... is told it will pull in 100MB of python 2 packages :) |
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| 23:01.12 | sney | mutante: the version in buster-backports has the python3 upgrade. |
| 23:01.43 | mutante | ah, *nod*. thanks |
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| 23:08.05 | rockworld | hi, can we use a aliases on network card to create a new ip, let say we have eth0 as interface name and I dont want to touch default setting can I add eth0:1 eth0:2 eth0:3 to add 3 different ip ? |
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| 23:10.09 | shibboleth | yes |
| 23:10.55 | rockworld | ok thank you cause Im a little scare to tweak these files and messup something on my dedicated server lol |
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| 23:14.55 | rockworld | hum weird thing on my vps the gateway is the same ip then the machine ip |
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| 23:16.42 | rockworld | nevermind |
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| 23:26.57 | H-var | ok, so here's something that breaks my brain: so I have a mouse, and my mouse re-connects in a split-second after going to sleep both on linux, and the laptop windows systems, and then I have a keyboard, and the keyboard re-connects also in a blink of an eye on that same windows laptop, but on linux it takes more than 20 seconds to re-connect. So what is it? How can it make any sense??? |
| 23:34.58 | b1ack0p | hi |
| 23:35.13 | H-var | sup |
| 23:35.22 | b1ack0p | is there a bug reported about clicking links not opening on browser? |
| 23:36.01 | H-var | yes, people have been reporting links not opening in that browser lately |
| 23:36.47 | b1ack0p | i mean |
| 23:37.06 | H-var | it's okay |
| 23:37.12 | H-var | it's a known bug |
| 23:37.17 | H-var | they are working on it already |
| 23:37.19 | b1ack0p | i am on irssi, someone is sharing a link but when i click or ctrl+click or right click > open link doesnt open it on browser |
| 23:37.32 | b1ack0p | are we talking about same bug? |
| 23:37.45 | b1ack0p | it was working about some weeks ago but doesnt anymore |
| 23:37.59 | b1ack0p | maybe after some updates it happened, no idea |
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| 23:38.11 | H-var | are you running irssi on debian 10 stable? |
| 23:38.43 | b1ack0p | yup |
| 23:38.49 | b1ack0p | recent debian 10 |
| 23:39.03 | b1ack0p | Irssi v1.2.0-2 |
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| 23:39.32 | H-var | and what desktop environment? |
| 23:41.10 | b1ack0p | xfce |
| 23:41.46 | H-var | oh, I had that same problem with xfce - it wouldn't open any links from the terminal. |
| 23:42.45 | b1ack0p | but i was opening some weeks ago |
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| 23:52.19 | rockworld | how can I know netmask of my ipfailover ip? |
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| 23:55.36 | H-var | check the /etc/network/interfaces file and all the config files inside of the /etc/network/interfaces.d folder |
| 23:56.21 | rockworld | so the netmask is the same then the one from the machine ? |
| 23:56.43 | H-var | the regular ip starts with something like "auto eth0" and the failover starts with something like "auto eth0:0" |
| 23:56.58 | H-var | under "eth0:0" is the network mask |
| 23:57.29 | H-var | you can also try "ip a" command in your terminal? I have no idea if it will work |
| 23:57.46 | rockworld | hum ok Im going to post my configuration tell me if you think it can work |
| 23:58.06 | H-var | but if you will see something like "eth0:0" in the output - that's your guy |
| 23:58.45 | rockworld | https://paste.debian.net/1195731/ |
| 23:59.00 | rockworld | if I refresh my network card like that |
| 23:59.09 | rockworld | I dont think I will loose connection |
| 23:59.27 | rockworld | I leave auto to eth0 |
| 23:59.29 | H-var | yeah you see it - eth0:1? |
| 23:59.36 | H-var | that's the netmask you want to know |
