| 00:00.15 | H-var | if you want it to be automatic then you need to delete the netmask 255.255.255.255 line |
| 00:00.32 | rockworld | but the ip is a new ip I added |
| 00:00.50 | rockworld | so I think the card will detect it |
| 00:01.09 | rockworld | Im going to try :p |
| 00:01.10 | H-var | well in any case, that's how you find where the netmask is |
| 00:01.28 | rockworld | route -n |
| 00:01.50 | rockworld | im confuse because of the ovh tutorial configuration |
| 00:02.00 | rockworld | the use different netmask for different ip |
| 00:02.03 | rockworld | they* |
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| 00:07.45 | rockworld | how can I see if my ip is detected by the card |
| 00:09.54 | H-var | if you enter that ip into /etc/network/interfaces - it will be used by that card |
| 00:10.16 | H-var | you can verify that by entering the "ip a" command into the terminal |
| 00:10.48 | rockworld | I see it |
| 00:10.50 | rockworld | nice |
| 00:11.18 | rockworld | now I need to test that ip |
| 00:11.37 | rockworld | do I need to edit /etc/hosts ? |
| 00:11.42 | rockworld | and add the ip in |
| 00:12.19 | rockworld | by example for a http server |
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| 00:14.26 | aphysically | hi all, I'm trying to work on making some packaging changes for gentoo |
| 00:15.00 | aphysically | my understanding is in debian's packaging of libglslang-dev some downstream changes are made that fix some ffmpeg stuff, and I'd like to bring those changes over to gentoo, but I'm not sure where I can find the downstream patches in debian |
| 00:15.11 | aphysically | can someone point me in the right direction for where patch sets are kept? |
| 00:15.45 | aphysically | sorry the package is glslang-dev |
| 00:18.32 | abrotman | Did you try to grab the source package? |
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| 00:23.11 | aphysically | not yet, I assumed it already had stuff applied to it |
| 00:23.21 | aphysically | (and the patches would be somewhere else) |
| 00:23.25 | aphysically | I'll look into it |
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| 00:26.16 | abrotman | aphysically: there's a diff between the originals and the final |
| 00:27.07 | aphysically | ah I see, so the diff.gz is a patchset applied on the orig before compilation for packaging? |
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| 00:27.41 | aphysically | I think that's what i wanted then :) |
| 00:28.07 | aphysically | thank you for the help |
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| 00:37.57 | karlpinc | aphysically: See also: sources.debian.net, where you can access a package's individual files. |
| 00:38.43 | aphysically | I'll look :) |
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| 01:36.59 | karlpinc | Drat. sources.debian.org |
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| 01:49.40 | aphysically | ahah I got your correction before I got to it anyway, thanks again |
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| 02:23.49 | brizz | say I have a line, that is city, state, country, but the line could be missing city or state, or both. Is the only way to 'unpack' the string is to use if len(2): state, country = location, or to use try: except ValueError: ..try: except ValueError under exception? ...seems really dirty. so wondering if there is a better looking way to do this |
| 02:24.26 | brizz | oh, i am splitting the line by comma |
| 02:24.35 | brizz | example line: menlo park, california, united states |
| 02:25.15 | brizz | another example line could be: united states, or: indiana, united states |
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| 02:28.31 | brizz | doh |
| 02:28.39 | brizz | thought i was in python channel, sorry |
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| 02:46.58 | rockworld | there is a way to attribute a block of ip instead of ip per ip in the network interface ? |
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| 03:03.49 | nkuttler | rockworld: er, what? |
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| 03:05.27 | rockworld | on a dedicated machine I have a block of ip that I need to add in the network interface, do I need to add ip per ip or maybe I can add the entire block one shot |
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| 03:06.22 | nkuttler | why don't you simply write it to /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 03:08.18 | rockworld | yes but I need to write ip per ip or only the *.*.*.*/32 |
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| 03:26.47 | Juerd | rockworld: Per individual IP. A computer doesn't typically get multiple addresses, that's an exception to the rule (a common exception, but still not the way networks were designed) |
| 03:27.39 | rockworld | Juerd: alright thank you :) |
| 03:28.21 | Juerd | rockworld: A "block" doesn't technically exist. A subnet exists, but may not be exactly the range you got assigned, and in a subnet there are typically (but not necessarily) other addresses that aren't your computer, like a router, the network address, and a broadcast address. |
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| 03:31.51 | rockworld | Juerd: thats good to know I need some reflexion now |
| 03:34.23 | rockworld | Juerd: hum 255.255.255.0 is my server netmask but Im watching a tutorial about that and the guy use different netmask for ipfailover then the server netmask |
| 03:34.52 | Juerd | Use the network mask the network administrator has told you to use, and nothing else |
| 03:35.40 | rockworld | Im going to try this thank you for the tips I really appreciate |
| 03:35.54 | Juerd | You're welcome |
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| 03:51.37 | warsoul | how do i upgrade from buster to bullseye |
| 03:51.38 | warsoul | ? |
| 03:53.44 | wintersky | just update your sources.conf and do dist-upgrade |
| 03:55.12 | warsoul | do you recommend upgrading? |
| 03:55.17 | warsoul | is still in testing? |
| 03:55.23 | wintersky | depends on your needs |
| 03:55.49 | wintersky | what kind of machine is rthat? a client? a server? |
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| 03:57.47 | warsoul | personal/home use |
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| 03:59.56 | wintersky | i'd go for it on your place |
| 04:00.09 | wintersky | i did upgrade to testing and i'm happy with it |
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| 04:03.59 | warsoul | nice |
| 04:04.02 | warsoul | it takes long? |
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| 04:11.14 | wintersky | depends on your setup |
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| 04:18.02 | oxek | I wouldn't recommend it |
| 04:18.25 | oxek | warsoul: is there something you *need* that's only available in bullseye right now? |
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| 04:27.04 | rockworld | what is the service directory |
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| 04:49.05 | somiaj | warsoul: It varies, though at this point in the freeze, the main thing you'll miss (unless you hit an rc-bug) is security support in bullseye. Many are using it as their desktop/home machine. Waiting is probably best (some think the release is 1-2 months away) |
| 04:49.29 | somiaj | rockworld: what do you mean by service directory? What is it you are trying to do? |
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| 06:03.38 | rockworld | somiaj: I found it I was looking for systemd |
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| 06:05.19 | rockworld | well, I added a new ip and a vhost as a website, I can access the website and I dont understand why the ip doesnt resolve to the host but the host resolve to the ip |
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| 06:52.37 | rockworld | do I need to add /var to DocumentRoot "/www/example2-8080" |
| 06:57.33 | rockworld | in apache conf |
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| 07:02.15 | jolt | rockworld: not sure what you are doing, but serverhost <name> only matches the name sent in the get request. If you make a request to an IP, well, it doesn't have the name in it; therefor you need to configure either a default host that handles that, or add the IP to it. |
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| 07:09.48 | rockworld | jolt: like servername www.exemple.com |
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| 07:11.25 | rockworld | Im making a full apache config with 5 failover ip |
| 07:11.39 | rockworld | but I was not sure if I need to use the full systempath |
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| 07:35.02 | ratrace | rockworld: yes, of course. DocumentRoot is the local filesystem path |
| 07:37.12 | rockworld | ratrace: ok thank you |
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| 07:48.14 | supernaut | What is required to be set up before booting from a root on lvm and luks? I've already added the partition to crypttab and installed cryptsetup. However kernel still doesn't ask about the passphrase. |
| 07:50.23 | ratrace | supernaut: and cryptsetup-initramfs? I don't remember if it's pulled in automatically |
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| 07:51.18 | supernaut | ratrace: I'll chroot and check whether it is installed |
| 07:51.19 | ratrace | I also don't remember if that bug was fixed, but if it's still not, you'll need "initramfs" in the crypttab options, next to "luks" (last column, comma separated options like in fstab) |
| 07:51.47 | ratrace | (update-initramfs -u -a after you're done with changes to it) |
| 07:52.10 | ratrace | eh, not -a but -k all |
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| 07:53.01 | supernaut | ratrace: yes, I know. I've done that. Give me a minute because I have to mount everything |
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| 07:58.32 | supernaut | ratrace: weird, cryptsetup-initramfs haven't been pulled with cryptsetup. Im almost sure that the last time it worked just by pulling crypttab. |
| 07:58.45 | supernaut | *cryptsetup |
| 08:01.35 | ratrace | supernaut: now that you mention it, it's been like that since buster release I think, and in fact if you don't have crypsetup-initramfs installed, you get a warning on each initramfs update |
| 08:01.54 | ratrace | (if it detects cryptsetup but not cryptsetup-initramfs present) |
| 08:02.47 | supernaut | i haven't seen any warning |
| 08:02.48 | ratrace | or is it the other way around ... crypsetup-initramfs present, but no crypttab setup ... bah |
| 08:03.06 | ratrace | yeah it's the other way around, sorry |
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| 08:04.24 | supernaut | the funny thing is that it still doesn't boot, at least i can manually do it by initramfs shell |
| 08:04.58 | ratrace | supernaut: no pasword prompt? |
| 08:05.26 | supernaut | yes, I'll try adding initramfs to crypttab |
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| 11:38.40 | jelly | mv podman |
| 11:38.44 | jelly | ,v podman |
| 11:38.45 | judd | Package: podman on amd64 -- bullseye: 3.0.1+dfsg1-1+b2; sid: 3.0.1+dfsg1-2; experimental: 3.1.0+ds1-1 |
| 11:38.54 | jelly | ,v docker |
| 11:38.55 | judd | Package: docker on amd64 -- jessie: 1.5-1; stretch: 1.5-1+b1; bullseye: 1.5-2; buster: 1.5-2; sid: 1.5-2 |
| 11:38.59 | jelly | ,v docker.io |
| 11:39.01 | judd | Package: docker.io on amd64 -- buster: 18.09.1+dfsg1-7.1+deb10u2; buster-security: 18.09.1+dfsg1-7.1+deb10u3; bullseye: 20.10.5+dfsg1-1+b1; sid: 20.10.5+dfsg1-1+b1 |
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| 11:43.24 | ratrace | who had the brilliant idea to name packages after domain names ... |
| 11:44.09 | jelly | is the software named after the domain or the domain after the software? |
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| 11:45.05 | oxek | package name docker already existed and was something else |
| 11:45.11 | oxek | so docker.io was the next best thing |
| 11:45.22 | oxek | still, it should be named like upstream instead, docker-ce |
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| 11:45.41 | ratrace | right |
| 11:45.52 | ratrace | also netplan.io |
| 11:46.05 | oxek | we don't talk about netplan |
| 11:50.30 | ratrace | nihplan |
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| 12:20.26 | Dude-Meister | I'm running Debian Buster stable, and I'm learning as I go. I've stated using SAS drives in LSI Based controllers (I have a Dell PERC H310 that's been cross-flashed for IT mode) I now have a second controller (Perc H200) that I'm tuying with the idea of runing it RAID 0 instead of IT more, becuase I have 4 2TB Seagates, and a couple 4TB Hitachi UltraStar drives I use as offline blackups. |
| 12:22.53 | Dude-Meister | Is there any compelling reason not to create a couple RAID 0 stripe pairs in the Seagates to make backing up two drives at a time a bit simpler and maybe even a bit faster reads and writes in day to day use?and backing |
| 12:23.33 | Dude-Meister | I've never run a RAID, so, this is sorta new to me. |
| 12:23.56 | Dude-Meister | (As is Linux, really - srill) |
| 12:24.35 | qman__ | raid 0 essentially halves your reliability |
| 12:24.42 | qman__ | on a pair of disks |
| 12:24.49 | Dude-Meister | Yes, and I'm fine with that. |
| 12:25.51 | qman__ | you apparently haven't lost too much data before, but you do you |
| 12:26.28 | Dude-Meister | 4 bits here at the same tiem as 4 bits there - essentiall (nearly) doubles through-put. I understand that part, adn I know I'll have to blitz two drives and format them as an array, but I don't know if this is fully supported by the card, in Debian |
| 12:27.03 | Dude-Meister | qman__, you may have missed the part where I said I back up and have redundant copies. |
| 12:27.38 | sigint | Dude-Meister, also do your homework on hardware RAID vs software RAID. From your message it's not clear to me which way you're trying to go |
| 12:27.49 | Dude-Meister | 3 copies, two in my home and one "Offsite," though someone less recently updated. |
| 12:28.05 | Dude-Meister | Dell PERC H200 card |
| 12:29.11 | Dude-Meister | The Dell H310 is running IT mode, the Dell H200 I just purchased, adn stopped befor flaching it to IT and said, "Wait, is it possible I can run RAID 0 and LIKE IT? So, here I am. |
| 12:30.18 | jelly | Dude-Meister, one uses raid0 when one needs to squeeze out iops performance. Perfomance on large SATA disks is horrible anyway, and 2xhorrible = still horrible. Go with concatenated disks instead of raid0 if you need the capacity, or better, use them separately and lvm or zfs on top. |
| 12:30.33 | Dude-Meister | I JUST backed up 2 of the 4 2TB SAS drives, so i COULD blitx them - RAID 0 them on the new card, then simply transfer the data back. |
| 12:31.33 | Dude-Meister | (I have a second identical machine, as when I speced a new machine, I built two - becasue - redundancy adn identical hardware is - more simple - and more like the real pros. |
| 12:32.28 | Dude-Meister | Same Asus boards, same Ivy Bridge unlocked CPUs (NEVER overclocked adn stable as HELL) |
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| 12:33.24 | Dude-Meister | Same "Samsung" "Super-ram" that gammers were oc-ing the heck out of - NEVER overclocked in these machines - and so forth. |
| 12:34.04 | Dude-Meister | And no, so far, I have never lost important data, and have been using computers as a "home user" since 1980. |
| 12:34.18 | ratrace | there's always first time, but if you have backups, all good |
| 12:34.49 | Dude-Meister | (I take that back. The first machine I was allowed to use (as a kid) was a TRS-80 Model III, with a cassette tape |
| 12:35.01 | ratrace | btw raid0 is not going to be a speed improvement you'd expect in most cases. |
| 12:35.09 | Dude-Meister | Some of the tape were - tapes |
| 12:35.14 | Dude-Meister | :/ |
| 12:35.27 | jelly | tapes are good storage media. |
| 12:35.45 | jelly | proper humidity and temp, much better than disks |
| 12:35.53 | sigint | jelly, LTO tapes, not cassette tapes |
| 12:36.02 | jelly | (and lack of dust) |
| 12:36.32 | Dude-Meister | No 10" floppy, like the TRS-80 model II, adn the fist single density single sided disk in the Model 3 was $999 PLUST the $380 PSU for the drive. |
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| 12:36.56 | ratrace | taping data party like it's 1988! :) |
| 12:37.06 | jelly | well, you can try raid0, but you won't see a lot of the supposed benefits |
| 12:37.09 | Dude-Meister | :) |
| 12:37.18 | Dude-Meister | I miss 1998, ratrace |
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| 12:37.49 | Dude-Meister | Back to the subject at hand? |
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| 12:38.19 | ratrace | Dude-Meister: counter-intuitively maybe, but you'd have more chance for performance improvement with a mirror |
| 12:38.34 | Dude-Meister | So, Dell PERC H200 - RAID 0 - this is the LSI chipset, so it's like plugging in a Sure SM57 microphone. |
| 12:39.00 | Dude-Meister | Is RAID 0 using that card a hardware of software RAID? |
| 12:39.10 | ratrace | I'd put that in jbod mode and run software raid ala mdadm, zfs or btrfs |
| 12:39.16 | Dude-Meister | Theses as NOT going to be used as boot drives. I need to not that. |
| 12:39.23 | jelly | but with LSI controllers, I'd probably stay away from HW RAID and use disks in HBA mode if possible, and linux soft raid |
| 12:40.00 | jelly | hw raid is nice if you have battery or flash backed write cache |
| 12:40.26 | ratrace | hw raid stopped to be nice long time ago |
| 12:40.29 | Dude-Meister | jelly, this is making sense to me, only because there are SO MANY other people ding things this way that I am likely to get help more easilly if I have a question. |
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| 12:41.31 | jelly | hw raid is nice if you can afford nice hw raid controllers and don't bother with zfs |
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| 12:41.39 | jelly | STILL nice |
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| 12:42.45 | Dude-Meister | See? I'm asking a simple querstion about my rig - I provided the info about wheat hardware I have - and it's sort of - well - who likes which way more. I get it, but, can you see how it's cumbersome for a poor boy that DREAMED of being able to AFFORD the cards i NOW HAVE - (living off depreciation) and CAN learn with? |
| 12:43.38 | Dude-Meister | I only have 16 GB or ram in these boxes, adn don't have moey to throw at it, or I'd have a Dell R710 |
| 12:43.46 | Dude-Meister | :) |
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| 12:43.58 | Dude-Meister | Load3ed with 10TB drives |
| 12:44.08 | Dude-Meister | Just for fun. |
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| 12:46.20 | ratrace | well, if you're short on gold coins, then hw raid and brand name chassies is the last thing you'd want. contrary to what the marketing depts of Dells and IBMs and HPs would like us believe ... one can build equally reliable machines without the brand tax. |
| 12:46.44 | Dude-Meister | Now, the 4 2TB Seagate SAS drives I now own, (had to slowly save for THOSE, and add to the stable a little at a time) contain pretty much (Soup to Nuts) including personal finance and family pic and vids, plus "current work stuff." |
| 12:47.23 | Dude-Meister | Those that live off depreciation can. :) |
| 12:48.00 | Dude-Meister | Solid powersupplies, shopped hard adn puchased wisely - AND knowing how when and WHY to "Re-Cap" |
| 12:48.08 | jelly | if you can translate "fun" to "specific technical requirements" then a tech channel can offer sugestions |
| 12:48.11 | Dude-Meister | MoBo's are all Mil Spec Caps |
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| 12:49.13 | Dude-Meister | I just want to know If I can run the small 2TB drives in a hardware RAID in Bebian using this PERC H200 - using 8 lanes. |
| 12:49.49 | jelly | yes you can, linux supports mptsas* controllers well |
| 12:50.01 | Dude-Meister | I already run an H310 HBA, and it runs fine, as I've added additional cooling becasue it's not in a server chasis, so i don't want to overheat and burn up the LSI Chipset. |
| 12:50.21 | jelly | it probably has temp sensors |
| 12:50.38 | jelly | (but might or might not require vendor tools to read them) |
| 12:51.28 | jelly | LSI hw raid CLI tools have some of the worst syntax I've ever seen |
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| 12:52.10 | jelly | seriously, look up MegaCLI syntax. Or better, don't if you want to have lunch today and keep it |
| 12:52.13 | Dude-Meister | Adding a fan to the heat-sink is VERY wise when runnign these cards, becasue desktop chasis - (Even my custom Lian-Li box with 5 5-1/4 external andn 10 internal 3.5" bays and 6 big fans is - not really flowing like a REEAL server chasis, so . . . yeah . . . that. Add a fan to LSI based HBA's |
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| 12:52.39 | Dude-Meister | Ahhhh, gottcha jelly. |
| 12:53.02 | ratrace | jelly: so that's the "nice" part about hw raid you mentioned earlier? :) |
| 12:53.44 | sigint | Dude-Meister, server chasis have terrible airflow, they need to use high RPM fans because their cannot fit bigger fans. Your LSI card is probably happier in a tower with decent airflow |
| 12:53.51 | Dude-Meister | I would like to leave time for lunch, and would just as soon not walk right into an engineering problem that's already well explored by others. :) |
| 12:54.18 | Dude-Meister | sigint, it's - not where the fans are. |
| 12:55.06 | Dude-Meister | All the fans are really on the drives, therefore it's a dead spot where the card lives, so, adding a littel fan DID significantly lower temps. |
| 12:55.10 | Dude-Meister | Heat kills. |
| 12:55.32 | Dude-Meister | I'm not about loosing my daughter's graduation video! :) |
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| 12:56.21 | sigint | I get it, I'm just responding to the "additionnal cooling because it's not in a server chasis" |
| 12:56.31 | Dude-Meister | I just though it would be cool to have a littel more speed from these littel SAS disks, but not if it's going to cause headaches. |
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| 12:58.01 | Dude-Meister | Engineers design servers to "Not fail" is possible, so - kinda actually do build them with airflow paths taken into account, probably moreso that the one's building cases with lights and "windows" |
| 12:58.15 | ratrace | indeed |
| 12:58.36 | ratrace | the high RPM thing is due to component density but they're designed as much as possible with an actual flow |
| 12:59.20 | ratrace | that said, "desktop" chassies require less effort to achieve the same flow, at the expense of much smaller density and much more "wasted" space |
| 12:59.22 | Dude-Meister | In any case, I think I've gotten my answer as to whether I am going to continue forward with flashing this shiny brand-used card inso IT mode. :) |
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| 12:59.56 | Dude-Meister | Beverages and pizza all around, eh? |
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| 13:00.10 | Dude-Meister | This round is on me! |
| 13:00.15 | sigint | ratrace, yes that's my point. Airflow wise, a desktop tower is actually much better because it's not optimized for density |
| 13:01.57 | jelly | ratrace, no, that's the part about "I wouldn't touch LSI with a 10 foot pole, given any other option" |
| 13:02.09 | Dude-Meister | Not "All" desktop cases are better engineered, adn in reality, not all server chasis are poorly engineered with HBA's failing non-stop either. It depends on how much $$$$ the design teams have in their budget. |
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| 13:02.41 | jelly | ratrace, but people use them all the time in HBA mode for 8-12-16 disks |
| 13:02.50 | jelly | 'swhat they're good for |
| 13:03.05 | ratrace | sigint: actually I disagree. took me some effort to design my worskstation/server tower for optimal flow precisely becuse the fans are typically low pressure |
| 13:03.14 | Dude-Meister | Anyhow - fine friends - thank you for sharing your knowledge with me. |
| 13:03.32 | jelly | Dude-Meister, what does "IT" mode mean btw? |
| 13:03.58 | sigint | ratrace, I'm not sure I follow, fans with low static pressure are fans with great airflow |
| 13:04.26 | ratrace | sigint: and the damned modern gpus and cpu coolers are designed for NO Flow at all. gpus take internal aire and dissipate internall (despite them having access from behind fro some cool air suckage) |
| 13:04.27 | sigint | You cannot optimize for both |
| 13:04.58 | ratrace | the cpu ones just cavitate and swirl teh same air around. so you need powerful bottom -> top flow which is not typically done |
| 13:05.05 | sigint | Exactly, CPU and GPU get high static pressure, case fans get low static pressure but great airflow |
| 13:05.50 | sigint | going back to the server chasis topic, server chasis don't have this luxury of matching fans this way |
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| 13:06.04 | ratrace | I found some neat combos with watercooled cpu so its fans are the entire top row which also suck air upwards and comform with natural hot air wnts to raise, flow. the only "problem" is gpu that still swirls the air inside but I "fixed" that by adding front row to create positive pressure inside the chassis |
| 13:06.08 | sigint | they put 1U 5000 RPM fans and hope for the best |
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| 13:07.04 | sigint | Positive pressure is key, it keeps dust away :) |
| 13:07.12 | ratrace | I don't understand why the gpus aren't designed to suck in air from outside, or even better, blow it out there |
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| 13:08.03 | ratrace | anyhoo.... Debian. :) |
| 13:08.28 | sigint | Some ITX case like the Node 304 have an opening to let the GPU suck air from outside |
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| 13:08.52 | sigint | But yes that's not common in full towers |
| 13:09.06 | sigint | (Sorry for the offtopic, I'm done) |
| 13:09.54 | jelly | ratrace, because the vendor can say "our gpus don't suck" |
| 13:10.12 | jelly | "and they certainly don't blow!" |
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| 13:17.14 | ratrace | badum tss! ta ra ta ta taaaaa you're lovin' it! |
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| 13:53.40 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 13:53.40 | dpkg | <km> dkr: if a web using port 8080, so to avoid haveing to type the port in the url i to change the browser default port 80 to 8080? <twb> km: you couldn't perform enough fellatio in a decade to get that changed |
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| 14:23.39 | Dude-Meister | Okay, I'm not sure what I'm seeing. I went ahead that plugged that Dep Perk H200 in, just to see if perhaps it was one that has had IT mode firmware on it from day 1 - because as I was pulling info and the "IT Mode" .bin, I saw something suggesting that the H200 may have commonly shipped already running in IT mode |
| 14:24.27 | Dude-Meister | Put a "unimportant" (Scrub pile) little disk on it, and booted. |
| 14:26.19 | Dude-Meister | I got a 80 columb screen while the card's firmware booted (Which I do not get on the H310 that I had to flash, because it was in fact running IR FW) and bingo - Debian boots and I can see this old 320 GB disk formatted either NTFS or EXT4 (I'm not sure which) |
| 14:28.08 | sney | is it a /dev/sdX device? if you do 'fdisk -l /dev/sdX' as root, does Disk model: say the disk's actual model, or something related to your perc? |
| 14:28.20 | Dude-Meister | The 80 column screen that the card's firmware loads before the system boots offer's a disk manager by pressing "?" key - and I think it was Dell branded Firmware. |
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| 14:30.35 | Dude-Meister | It shows it's proper lable in "Disks" and in Nemo. |
| 14:30.45 | Dude-Meister | sney, ^^^^^^ |
| 14:30.47 | sney | if you answer the actual questions |
| 14:31.23 | Dude-Meister | I was just checking, and also about to ask if I should use just sdc in that fdisk call? |
| 14:31.35 | Dude-Meister | (It shows up in Disks as SDC1 |
| 14:31.35 | sney | yes, just sdc. |
| 14:31.40 | Dude-Meister | KK |
| 14:32.37 | Dude-Meister | Yup! It shows the Disk, not the HBA |
| 14:32.48 | sney | great, you're in IT mode. |
| 14:32.55 | Dude-Meister | Cool! |
| 14:33.51 | Dude-Meister | You know, some might flash to LSI firmware to avoid the pause to give the option of loading the Dell Disk Management utility for this card, but, I might LIKE having that at some point. |
| 14:34.30 | Dude-Meister | sney, you've helped me understand how to work with multiple disks in Debian before, adn again . . . yeah |
| 14:34.37 | sney | it's not getting in your way, and flashing firmware carries a risk of bricking it |
| 14:34.53 | sney | LSI HBAs take a while to boot too. that's normal enterprise hardware stuff. |
| 14:34.58 | jelly | Dude-Meister, what do "IR" mode and "IT" mode mean? |
| 14:35.00 | Dude-Meister | So happy this is all good news. i just got this card, and am as happy as a tornado in a trailer park! |
| 14:35.19 | sney | jelly: raid controller on, or passthrough, respectively |
| 14:35.33 | jelly | HW RAID or clean HBA, gotcha |
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| 14:37.27 | Dude-Meister | jelly, So, unless I'm running a software RAID - it seems I can still run JBOD without having to fart around, because I just run as JBOD. |
| 14:38.20 | Dude-Meister | Less screwing around and stability as the FIRST order of business is precisely why I do NOT (and have not) runa RAID |
| 14:39.54 | Dude-Meister | I was asking if I might want to stripe the drives that have NON CRITICAL data on them, just because A) The are OLD 2TB drives, and B.) They say "Seagate" on them, not HGST Ultrastor, adn are therefore SLIGHTY more prone to failure anyway. |
| 14:40.08 | Dude-Meister | Ultrastar* |
| 14:40.38 | Dude-Meister | I don't serve OR pull large amouts of data from the internet. |
| 14:40.59 | jelly | haviing a jbod is kind of a prequisite to choose running sw raid |
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| 14:41.29 | Dude-Meister | I actually keep certain things OFF of the computer I use to "Just bash around on." |
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| 14:43.20 | Dude-Meister | Yes, but it the IR firmware is running, Software RAID (Whicvh is a layer - and therefore more complicated that needed - by me - AND comes with additional ioverheads on a machine I'd LIKE to be - simple and PDQ BOTH, with stability at the fore-front) If it's running IR, I apparently still use it as JBOD. |
| 14:43.43 | Dude-Meister | It's inly RAID SOFTWARE that loosed it's mind if the IR firmware is present. |
| 14:44.09 | Dude-Meister | I'm NOT GOING TO RUN - software RAID - period. |
| 14:46.04 | Dude-Meister | If the chipset on the RAID card is not capable of keeping load off of whe CPUs i have, (Which are already older than "The latest (Ivy Bridge "K" era, so 4th gen?) |
| 14:47.26 | Dude-Meister | I'm not going to re-arrange everything I already own adn replace it with better stuff, because, it's simply not an option. |
| 14:47.29 | Dude-Meister | :) |
| 14:47.29 | jelly | what load. You have a couple 7200rpm disks. |
| 14:47.45 | Dude-Meister | Software RAID loads where? |
| 14:47.50 | jelly | pentium 3 could do sw raid on those. |
| 14:47.52 | Dude-Meister | System Memory. |
| 14:48.01 | Dude-Meister | The code runs where? |
| 14:48.04 | jelly | without breaking a sweat |
| 14:48.11 | Dude-Meister | On the systems CPU |
| 14:48.28 | jelly | don't imagine bottleneck where there might not be any |
| 14:48.29 | cws | The actual CPU cost of mdadm is miniscule. |
| 14:48.34 | Dude-Meister | But - it's working right now, adn I want to go do something else now. |
| 14:49.04 | Dude-Meister | See, becaseu i have a garden to attend to, and also need to talk with some other people to make other things work today. |
| 14:49.29 | Dude-Meister | Like, buying real-estate. |
| 14:49.36 | Dude-Meister | Ok? |
| 14:50.00 | Dude-Meister | Alll my disks will run on the card by putting it in, adn plugging them in. |
| 14:50.28 | Dude-Meister | Mission accomplished. No need to reformat everything and change the whole file-system. |
| 14:50.57 | cws | lol k |
| 14:51.45 | Dude-Meister | Ok. You may be right - because it's not FreeNAS or unRAID, adn I'm trying to learn about those too, but not right now. I have - you know - tings. :) |
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| 14:52.23 | Dude-Meister | Like Early Sunglow corn, Rutgers, Red Brandywine and Large Cherry tomatos. |
| 14:52.40 | Dude-Meister | But, they don't run Debian, so . . . .hehehehe |
| 14:52.59 | jelly | well that's all fine, just that you're aware of the safest practices before choosing a road less traveled |
| 14:54.09 | Dude-Meister | I have to pay bills and make food - and WISH I knew all this stuff, but there's only so many hours in a day, adn there's only one "Growing Season" per year. If you miss it, well, no food. |
| 14:54.29 | Dude-Meister | Amish is one example of a road less traveled, yes? |
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| 14:54.57 | Dude-Meister | Well, around where I live - not so much. |
| 14:55.07 | sney | !ot |
| 14:55.07 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 14:56.06 | Dude-Meister | Thanks sney. I was mearly explaining to a software RAID sales staff why i need to jsut do what works right now. RAID 1 - but by hand. |
| 14:56.22 | sney | let us know if you actually need help with something |
| 14:56.24 | blackroot | by talking about gardening.. lol |
| 14:56.25 | Dude-Meister | I don't want two drives spinning all the time. |
| 14:57.34 | Dude-Meister | No, blackroot, by giving an example of why I'm gonna use what I found works, and came here to report what the Dell H200's card bios is in fact, likely to work for me. |
| 14:58.36 | blackroot | :) |
| 14:59.20 | sney | you added a disk controller. now you can have more disks, and/or it's likely faster than your motherboard's onboard sata. hooray! no more needs to be said. |
| 14:59.27 | Dude-Meister | And give a strong example of the reason I don't need to be convinced to change my entire rig becazsu e"Software RAID is what I should be doing right now - gently. |
| 15:01.17 | Dude-Meister | Prezactilly sney, and now i MIGHT as some other questions, but, since I don't have any, it is my job to clear the channel, and so I shall. Peace all, and again, thank you for the help, sney adn others. |
| 15:01.34 | blackroot | lmao |
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| 15:02.11 | sney | I always forget that that guy needs a little extra crowd control than most /ot |
| 15:03.15 | blackroot | sney: i think he is actually doing gardening (weed), and he's so high he THINKS he manages a server. ,y first impression anyway |
| 15:03.17 | blackroot | my* |
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| 15:11.19 | jpmh | is there a command line command that I can use to stop the screen blanker blanking my screen after some length oftime.? |
| 15:11.57 | imMute | jpmh: you mean on the text consoles? run setterm -blank 0 |
| 15:11.57 | somiaj | xset s off, and xset -dpms if you are talking about the default blanking in xorg |
| 15:12.44 | jpmh | somiaj: Ihave tried those - certainly the latter re-enables the display, but it doesblank again |
| 15:14.52 | imMute | jpmh: are you talking about the text-only virtual consoles, or a GUI desktop? |
| 15:14.57 | somiaj | many DEs will have their own set of power management tools you need to use, I was just talking about the default xorg one in cases you don't have a DE with power management. |
| 15:15.06 | somiaj | though as imMute pointed out, it depends on if you are actually in xorg, or just on a tty |
| 15:17.24 | jpmh | imMute: and somiaj I have an app that has run on raspian for years that does a use of the browser to display a set of slides, being the menu in coffee shops. Since Rapsian is Debian I expected it to work on Debian but the screen blanks |
| 15:18.30 | jpmh | I suspect that the xset commands are being performed for the "wrong" device. The script starts the browser after setting: export DISPLAY=:0.0 - and in favt if I run it manyually fromanotehrr tty then all is fine, the xsets seem to happen |
| 15:18.41 | imMute | jpmh: Raspbian has their own configuration/defaults on top of Debians, so that doesn't really apply. |
| 15:24.40 | jpmh | imMute: yes - but I thought that the xset that I am using on Raspian would work on Debian and it does not, at least does not when the script is invoked by an @reboot line in the crontab |
| 15:25.40 | imMute | jpmh: crontab entries are not executed under the same "context" as your graphical environment, so I'm not really surprised... |
| 15:26.32 | somiaj | jpmh: xset works on debian just fine, the issue is something else as being pointed out. |
| 15:26.59 | somiaj | I use it regurally to stop my screen from blanking |
| 15:27.23 | somiaj | though depending on your needs you could write an xorg.conf snippet and just disable this feature when xorg is loaded |
| 15:27.43 | somiaj | or you could write a custom .xsession that sets up your x-enviorment the way youw ant it |
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| 15:30.31 | jpmh | somiaj: as I say, there seems to be some issue that I am not understanding then. When my script which includes the xset commands is run by me at the shell, all works fine. When it is in the @reboot it does not - the browser starts fine, just the blank still happens |
| 15:31.00 | imMute | jpmh: "at a shell" - does that mean in a tty? in a terminal emulator running under your graphical desktop? |
| 15:32.18 | jpmh | imMute: what I mean is that if I ssh into the machine and manually run the scriptat the shellit works as expected - but when the scriptis started from the @reboot it does not |
| 15:32.19 | somiaj | I think @reboot is probably a poor way to realiably get an xsession up and running |
| 15:32.34 | jpmh | maybe the issue has NOTHING to do with xset but my undertanding |
| 15:33.20 | jpmh | somiaj: the xsession is there because the OS has it anyway - I am merely using the @reboot to start something that sets DISPLAY=:0.0 on that monitor |
| 15:33.54 | imMute | jpmh: you can't use @reboot in crontab to set environment variables for *anything* outside of that crontab entry... |
| 15:33.57 | jpmh | my real confusion here is that this has been working and continues to work find on Raspbian |
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| 15:34.19 | somiaj | and what makes you sure that the xsession is even up and running by the time the @reboot option is run, this is a poor solution to your problem. |
| 15:34.35 | jpmh | imMute: my crontab entry is merely @reboot startIt.sh |
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| 15:35.03 | jpmh | imMute: the startIt.sh script is what does the DISPLAY=, xset, and then starts the brwser |
| 15:35.04 | somiaj | Do you not even use a full path to startIt.sh? |
| 15:35.06 | imMute | jpmh: assuming startIt.sh starts that browser thing, you really should be using systemd services, possibly user scoped ones (I'm unfamiliar with how that stuff works on graphical desktops) |
| 15:35.41 | somiaj | personally I would just setup a proper .xsession that runs and configures xorg like you want it to when it boots (assuming you have some auto login setup) |
| 15:35.43 | jpmh | somiaj: yes, I do use the fullpath, and as I say, I knowthe scrit is running since sure enough I get the slide show |
| 15:35.50 | somiaj | and depending on your DE just setup the autorun apps correctly. |
| 15:36.40 | jpmh | somiaj: I am not against making the changes that you suggest - however, I am nt a fan of making changes to avoid an issue that I don't understand |
| 15:36.58 | somiaj | the issue is cron is a bad tool to setup your enviroment/xsession from |
| 15:37.03 | jpmh | the ice thing about the @reboot method has been that I can test the script at the shell |
| 15:37.24 | imMute | jpmh: but do you understand how it *does* work on the other system? |
| 15:38.10 | jpmh | somiaj: OK - and why is it a bad choice - it seems to set the export DISPLAY=:0.0 correctly, otherwise I would be seeing nothing, what is it that is not being set with xset |
| 15:38.47 | jpmh | imMute: don't undertand your question |
| 15:39.34 | jpmh | realistically, anyway, it seems silly to disable a feature with xset that I did not want on in the first place. Is there noweher that I can configure it not to bother to blank at all |
| 15:39.54 | imMute | jpmh: you want to make a change to avoid an issue you *dont* understand, but do you even understand how the working system works? like *why* does it work |
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| 15:40.39 | imMute | jpmh: if you want to configure every little thing, I suggest you check out LFS. otherwise you'll have to accept that the defaults might not always be exactly what you want. |
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| 15:42.08 | jpmh | imMute: no - I want to undertand - then, I'm happy to do something like a correct auto-start - what I don't underatad is why the DISPLAY= in the script wrks when run from crontab but the xset does not |
| 15:42.29 | somiaj | as said, configure your xsession correctly, there are various ways to do this. It can depend on which DE you are using and how you login. |
| 15:42.56 | imMute | jpmh: I don't know either. but I do know that crontab is the wrong tool for this job. so rather than try to figure out how to make the wrong tool work, I'd personally rather switch to the correct (or at least better) tool for the job. |
| 15:44.30 | somiaj | do you have some delay in your script, because I still see @reboot from cron running before your xsession is fully loaded and ready to go. |
| 15:44.44 | somiaj | But still I just see using cron for this a poor method, as you see it isn't quite working. |
| 15:44.51 | jpmh | imMute: I 100% agree that I should just have an autostart - question is, why will that be any different? |
| 15:45.55 | jpmh | somiaj: great idea - let me try that delay - that would make100% sense - then I would undertand and be happy to do it right |
| 15:46.12 | somiaj | but really cron is a terrible tool for what you are trying to do, learn to use correct tools. |
| 15:46.21 | jpmh | guys, somiaj and imMute thanyou so much for your patience |
| 15:46.47 | jpmh | somiaj: why is cron so bad |
| 15:47.16 | somiaj | It was not designed for what you are using it for. |
| 15:49.04 | imMute | jpmh: cron is designed to run system-level things periodically. you're using it to run something at startup (at some indeterminate time relative to the startup of the graphical environment) against a logged-in user's graphical desktop |
| 15:49.30 | imMute | jpmh: and on top of that, systemd timers effectively remove the need for a separate cron daemon, and are easier to manage and debug |
| 15:50.21 | imMute | jpmh: for example, running your script from cron and running it from an SSH runs it in two different "contexts" (which is likely why it doesn't work in one of them). systemd timers trigger services. whether a service starts from a timer or from manually being started, the context is [nearly] identical. |
| 15:50.45 | jpmh | imMute: it does have the @reboot - so I would not agree that it is not designed for startup - but I do accept that it may be performing too early |
| 15:50.47 | imMute | (I say nearly, because timing is the one thing that would be different - one starts during boot at some stage, the other happens much later when the human tells it to happen) |
| 15:50.51 | somiaj | in essence you are using cron as a hack for properly configuring the xsession the way you want it. |
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| 15:51.34 | jpmh | somiaj: the one thig that I like about what I am doing is that I can so easily test - but I agree |
| 15:53.11 | jpmh | have the delay in the crontab now and have rebooted - just waiting for the potential screen bllank |
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| 15:54.21 | imMute | jpmh: if that works, then that means the crontab script was running too early, right? that's something that wouldn't have been a problem with somiaj's xsession solution |
| 15:56.38 | jpmh | imMute: yes - and that would probably make sense - the new machne isprobably booting at a different speed to the Pi, and potenially Debian v Raspian (which is now Raspberry Pi OS) |
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| 15:57.42 | jpmh | and I BELIEVE at this time that we have solved it - the screen has not blanked - I was not scientific to time how long, but my gut feel is that it would have blanked by now |
| 15:58.36 | somiaj | Linux often offers various ways you can hack things to work, but just because cron has @reboot, dosen't mean it is the right tool for the job |
| 15:58.56 | somiaj | as for testing, for setting up an xession correctly, all you have to do is 'login' to your xsession to test if it is setup correctly. |
| 16:02.57 | jpmh | somiaj: thosemachines are headless - so logging in is not quite as easy as that |
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| 16:03.25 | imMute | jpmh: it's not headless if it has a monitor and a graphical environment... |
| 16:04.17 | jpmh | imMute: well itis not completely headless but it does not have input devices - am I missing something, how would I log in on that session? |
| 16:04.28 | jpmh | I should add that I am NOT a GUI typeguy |
| 16:04.54 | imMute | jpmh: I think there might be a way to get systemd to restart the graphical environment, and I assume you have autologin configured. |
| 16:05.35 | jpmh | I have 1200+ coffee shopps running my point of sale system - it was all programmed with NO GUI - the POS itself provides an interface in a web-browser so the users do inetract with JS, CSS, HTM etc |
| 16:06.08 | imMute | interesting that you consider HTML+CSS+JS not a GUI |
| 16:06.16 | jpmh | I have to say I have managed to this point to avoid needing to undertand systemd - |
| 16:06.41 | jpmh | imMute: I do regard that HTMP+.. as a GUI - just I never used a GUI to program it |
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| 16:06.55 | c4pt00 | https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/n1x1xe/google_play_store_should_a_qr_code_for_every_app/ |
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| 16:27.19 | wanko | do i still need to compile nginx manually if i want support for rtmp? |
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| 16:28.55 | somiaj | ,v libnginx-mod-rtmp |
| 16:28.57 | judd | Package: libnginx-mod-rtmp on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 1.14.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.14.2-2+deb10u3; buster-security: 1.14.2-2+deb10u3; bullseye: 1.18.0-6+b1; sid: 1.18.0-6+b1 |
| 16:29.43 | somiaj | wanko: found that from the changelog, seems it was added in 1.13.2-1, so should be there from buster onwards (and backports if using stretch) |
| 16:29.59 | wanko | yes i have it downloaded, but nginx still doesn't recognize rtmp somiaj |
| 16:30.02 | wanko | that's why i'm asking |
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| 16:31.01 | somiaj | the changelog seems to suggest it works, there was even some docs and examples added. I don't use it, so unsure if anything special needs to be done, but I doubt you need to recompile if running buster |
| 16:33.15 | somiaj | wanko: I would maybe see if there is any useful info in /usr/share/doc/libnginx-mod-rtmp |
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| 16:37.06 | wanko | somiaj: only README that says a thing about building nginx from source and how to put rtmp in config |
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| 16:38.18 | somiaj | well to me it appears that it is prebuilt, did you configure nginx correctly? Though maybe more nginx support could help you debug things better. |
| 16:38.53 | somiaj | Since there is a package, it appears it has been prebuilt and you should be able to just use the provided binary packages. Might need to wait for someone with more expreience to give any pointers on getting it to work though |
| 16:38.56 | sney | it looks like nginx in buster uses the same sort of mods-available/mods-enabled symlink style configuration as apache, make sure that symlink is in place and restart the daemon? |
| 16:39.18 | somiaj | oh yea, good point, forgot about that. |
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| 16:44.07 | wanko | sney: thanks, that worked |
| 16:44.16 | wanko | weird it doesn't do that automatically though |
| 16:44.38 | sney | not weird. apache is the same. debian expects you to enable what you need intentionally |
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| 16:56.12 | UndrWater | i'm trying to update gutenprint to the latest version, as it holds a driver i need for my printer. while i was able to install gutenprint via source, but it seems it's not working with the installed version of cups |
| 16:57.02 | UndrWater | is there a way to upgrade cups without breaking other stuff? new to debian. |
| 16:57.48 | jelly | sney, except the whole service, it enables that automatically |
| 16:57.49 | jelly | ,v cups |
| 16:57.50 | jelly | judd, ping |
| 16:57.50 | judd | Package: cups on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.5-11+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1.7.5-11+deb8u8; stretch-security: 2.2.1-8+deb9u2; stretch: 2.2.1-8+deb9u6; stretch-proposed-updates: 2.2.1-8+deb9u6; buster: 2.2.10-6+deb10u4; bullseye: 2.3.3op2-3; sid: 2.3.3op2-3; experimental: 2.3.3op2-4 |
| 16:57.51 | judd | pong |
| 16:58.40 | karlpinc | UndrWater: Have you looked at backports.debian.org to see if there's a new-enough gutenprint already packaged? |
| 16:59.07 | jelly | ,v printer-driver-gutenprint |
| 16:59.08 | judd | Package: printer-driver-gutenprint on amd64 -- jessie: 5.2.10-3; stretch: 5.2.11-1+b2; buster: 5.3.1-7; bullseye: 5.3.3-5; sid: 5.3.3-5 |
| 16:59.23 | jelly | no backport |
| 16:59.33 | tomreyn | UndrWater: you don't usually upgrade software within a debian release, but upgrade your debian release to get newer software. |
| 16:59.41 | jelly | UndrWater, which relesae of gutenprint do you need? |
| 16:59.47 | jelly | or, which printer |
| 16:59.58 | UndrWater | the printer is epson artisan 1430 |
| 17:00.29 | karlpinc | can't recall how to ask judd about whether a self-backport would work. |
| 17:02.17 | UndrWater | i'm currently on buster...how "bleeding edge" is bookworm? |
| 17:02.36 | sney | bookworm hasn't started yet |
| 17:02.56 | UndrWater | so then bullseye? |
| 17:03.11 | sney | bullseye is a few months away from the release. some stuff may be turbulent for bugfixes, and security support is slowish at this part of the cycle, but I'm using it on 2 machines with no issues |
| 17:03.35 | sney | !bullseye freeze |
| 17:03.35 | dpkg | the freeze for Debian 11 'bullseye' has begun on 2021-01-13. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2021/01/msg00002.html |
| 17:03.43 | jelly | UndrWater, I see an /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/printer/Epson-Artisan_1430_Series.xml on my buster installation, without any additional software |
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| 17:05.16 | UndrWater | jelly: yes...but i need the features of the gutenprint driver. |
| 17:05.27 | tomreyn | 2017-03-19 <Robert Krawitz>1b0ea8a5d69c59aa84983d9bd5d078cf14d4b51c "Add Epson Artisan 1430" |
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| 17:06.09 | tomreyn | Name: gutenprint-5_2_13-pre1 |
| 17:06.22 | jhutchins | !ssb |
| 17:06.22 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 17:06.46 | tomreyn | so buster should have support for it |
| 17:07.53 | jelly | ,checkbackport printer-driver-gutenprint |
| 17:07.54 | judd | Backporting package printer-driver-gutenprint in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
| 17:08.29 | tomreyn | UndrWater: what makes you think it's not supported by your current release (buster)? |
| 17:08.45 | jelly | karlpinc, ^ also that's a false negative, debhelper from buster provides that |
| 17:09.45 | UndrWater | tomreyn: i'm not sure it's the release...i THINK it's compatibility with the current version of CUPS. the driver for the printer is now available, but i'm stuck on "processing since..." when attempting to print. |
| 17:10.13 | UndrWater | no errors in logs |
| 17:10.36 | jelly | /usr/share/gutenprint/5.3/xml/printers/escp2.xml: <printer translate="name" name="Epson Artisan 1430" driver="escp2-artisan1430" manufacturer="Epson" model="82" parameters="claria_params" /> |
| 17:10.40 | jelly | that's from buster |
| 17:11.05 | UndrWater | oh |
| 17:11.19 | UndrWater | how do i get that version |
| 17:11.30 | jelly | that's what comes with buster |
| 17:11.57 | jelly | pulled in by printer-driver-gutenprint |
| 17:12.30 | jelly | kind of looks like support is meant to exist |
| 17:13.38 | UndrWater | yeah...full disclosure, this is raspbian....so maybe a limitation there. it looks like i'll have to dig deeper to find out what's going on |
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| 17:14.11 | UndrWater | i currently have 5.3.1-7, but that's installed from source |
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| 17:15.01 | jelly | sighs, deeply |
| 17:15.27 | UndrWater | sorry....i should have stated that initialy |
| 17:15.38 | jelly | UndrWater, please only ask in here if you can replicate the bug on an actual Debian installation |
| 17:15.47 | UndrWater | understood |
| 17:18.40 | UndrWater | still helpful to me, so thank you all |
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| 17:42.54 | UndrWater | i got it working...thanks again! |
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| 18:13.10 | drl | Does Debian support the latest AMD processors and graphics cards (specifically) Ryzen 9 3950x and Radeon RX 5700 XT? |
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| 18:16.05 | jhutchins | drl: processors are pretty consistent, but graphics can vary. |
| 18:16.08 | jhutchins | !amd |
| 18:16.08 | dpkg | Advanced Micro Devices is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of ATI/AMD graphics hardware, ask me about <ati>. See also <amd64>, <coolnquiet>, <k7>. |
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| 18:17.02 | jelly | drl, in general, it's safer to pick hardware that's been at least 6, better 12 months on the market if you plan to run debian without many issues |
| 18:17.05 | tomreyn | you may need / want https://packages.debian.org/buster-backports/linux-image-amd64 for the gprahics card, as well as the propietary firmware |
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| 18:17.28 | pdp7 | davidlt: StarFive discussion is here? |
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| 18:18.13 | jelly | drl, also in general, if the models or the whole generation are newer than 6 months you don't even have to bother trying current debian release |
| 18:18.16 | pdp7 | Oh sorry wrong place :) |
| 18:18.32 | jelly | no worries |
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| 18:20.21 | tomreyn | i don't see why it wouldn't work with this hardware and an upgraded kernel. mesa 9.0.0 should work |
| 18:21.26 | tomreyn | you might need to install a newer firmware package, or download those amdgpu blobs manually from linux-firmware git |
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| 18:23.15 | karlpinc | drl: It is also handy to use the unofficial installer (in case you don't know). |
| 18:23.19 | karlpinc | !firmeware images |
| 18:23.24 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 18:23.24 | dpkg | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
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| 18:25.53 | drl | jhutchins, jelly, and tomreyn, thanks. My system is about 8 months old, but I'm having lots of problems trying to use Linuxmint. |
| 18:26.13 | karlpinc | (And at this point it might be good to go with bullesye instead of buster, although it won't be as stable or as quick with security updates). |
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| 18:30.07 | mark4 | ok so why is kdbg removed from the repos? |
| 18:30.35 | mark4 | there is an ubuntu bug claiming qt4 is being removed and any package not built against qt5 will be removed |
| 18:30.51 | mark4 | well. kdbg builds against qt5 just fine. i know. i have it installed on my gentoo system built against qt5 |
| 18:31.11 | mark4 | why is it being removed from the repos instead of simply having the package built against qt5? |
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| 18:31.27 | imMute | mark4: it probably doesn't compile against QT5. 4 to 5 was a pretty big change IIRC. |
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| 18:34.32 | karlpinc | mark4: Look for reasons at bugs.debian.org |
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| 18:38.10 | mark4 | imMute, horse feathers. i have it installed on my gentoo system built against qt5 |
| 18:38.36 | mark4 | karlpinc, bugs.debian.org is saying it was removed because its built against qt4 |
| 18:38.44 | mark4 | well build the damned thing against qt5, not remove it! |
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| 18:38.59 | imMute | mark4: I made a guess based on practically nothing. as karlpinc said, check bugs to see why it was removed. |
| 18:39.41 | mark4 | imMute, already said why it was removed. package built against qt4. qt4 being purged. kdbg purged with it |
| 18:39.43 | mark4 | erm. ok |
| 18:39.53 | mark4 | build kdbg against qt5, NOT remove kdbg! |
| 18:40.03 | imMute | shrugs. patches welcome. |
| 18:40.11 | mark4 | imMute, WHAT patch? |
| 18:40.19 | imMute | mark4: you make one. |
| 18:40.30 | mark4 | download sources. build gainst qt5, profit |
| 18:40.37 | imMute | that patches the kdbg source package to use qt5 instead of qt4 |
| 18:40.51 | mark4 | not. throw baby away with bathwater because kdbg debian developer isnt building it against qt5? |
| 18:41.18 | mark4 | imMute, it builds against qt5 |
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| 18:42.08 | imMute | I dunno. maybe the developer just doesn't want to do it anymore. you're welcome to ask for a refund. |
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| 18:50.51 | Bushcat | tor in Debian 9 suddenly stopped working, any clues why it stopped functioning? |
| 18:51.31 | jhutchins | Unit193: tor tends to do that. |
| 18:52.13 | sussudio | !why |
| 18:52.13 | dpkg | Because! |
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| 18:52.47 | greycat | Normally if something "suddenly stops working", the two questions we'll ask are: 1) What did you change? 2) What does the log file say? |
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| 18:53.33 | jelly | Bushcat, maybe it's too old? Maybe Tor upgraded to different procotols or peer discovery? |
| 18:53.57 | oxek | Bushcat: tor exists in backports, maybe try that |
| 18:54.07 | oxek | oh wait, debian 9 |
| 18:54.12 | oxek | you should upgrade that anyway |
| 18:54.13 | Bushcat | thanks greycat and jelly any clue how to get it up and running again |
| 18:54.39 | Bushcat | oxek, I have 7 machines, this one is Debian 9, rest are Debian 10 |
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| 18:54.49 | greycat | Do the Debian 10 ones work? |
| 18:55.09 | Bushcat | grey` those machines are headless server, running Apache |
| 18:55.15 | jelly | Bushcat, I'd try to see if it worked on a debian 10 live cd, alternatively use a Tails live cd |
| 18:55.39 | jelly | Bushcat, that doesn't answer the question tho. |
| 18:55.46 | greycat | why is this one machinne being kept on an older version than the others? |
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| 18:56.38 | jelly | ,v tor |
| 18:56.39 | judd | Package: tor on amd64 -- jessie: 0.2.5.16-1; jessie-security: 0.2.5.16-1; stretch-security: 0.2.9.15-1; stretch: 0.2.9.16-1; stretch-updates: 0.2.9.16-1; stretch-backports: 0.3.5.10-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.3.5.14-1; buster-security: 0.3.5.14-1; stretch-backports-sloppy: 0.4.3.5-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports: 0.4.5.7-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 0.4.5.7-1; sid: 0.4.5.7-1 |
| 18:56.45 | Bushcat | greycat, its lot of leg work, cos lot of PHP codes, lot of Python-Django codes are running from Apache as sister server from this machine too |
| 18:57.03 | greycat | then why the hell are you running a tor browser on it |
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| 18:57.13 | jelly | tor is not a browser |
| 18:57.27 | oxek | Bushcat: you'll need to do that legwork anyway, because debian 9 has run out of some support already |
| 18:57.32 | Bushcat | cos Big Sky, Law and Order Organized Crime, episodes I need to download |
| 18:58.03 | greycat | if it's not a browser then they can run it on one of their half a dozen Debian 10 headless servers instead of this one peculiar Debian 9 server |
| 18:58.06 | jelly | Bushcat, get your warez on a recent Debian. |
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| 18:59.12 | jelly | also, freenode disallows illegal activity so it's not a good idea to state you're torrenting episodes of commercial tv series |
| 18:59.45 | Bushcat | oh! I almost forgot that |
| 19:00.10 | oxek | if you're torrenting over tor, please stop that |
| 19:00.20 | jelly | that too |
| 19:00.29 | jelly | but eh, it's not going to stop |
| 19:00.33 | Bushcat | I will write to Dick Stallman and he may amuse your comment |
| 19:00.50 | jelly | !kick Bushcat |
| 19:00.50 | dpkg | kicks Bushcat in the crotch. |
| 19:01.04 | oxek | jelly: whenever we see it, we can still encourage them to stop behavior that's bad for the network |
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| 19:01.25 | Bushcat | thank you, thank you |
| 19:01.26 | oxek | Bushcat: buy a VPN |
| 19:01.45 | Bushcat | just got it running in Ubuntu server |
| 19:01.54 | Bushcat | problem solved but thank you thank you |
| 19:02.01 | jelly | cheers |
| 19:02.51 | Bushcat | I accumulated 75,000 movies |
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| 19:03.04 | Bushcat | and I will not stop |
| 19:03.20 | imMute | Bushcat: you do you. but discussing illegal activity is against FreeNode's TOS, so don't talk aboutt it here. |
| 19:03.27 | Bushcat | over 35,000 TV Series |
| 19:04.15 | Bushcat | I am not talking about it, nonetheless, I am into FOSS |
| 19:05.31 | jelly | imMute, it's spelled all lowercase freenode! |
| 19:05.55 | oxek | I'd say don't talk about it at all, but some people don't have common sense nowadays |
| 19:05.58 | imMute | jelly: TIL. thanks for the correction. |
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| 19:06.08 | jelly | easier to type, too |
| 19:06.43 | jelly | I think old xchat miscapitalized it |
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| 19:09.26 | Bushcat | when I installed Debian 10, I chose one DE now if I want all of them, how I integrate them? |
| 19:09.51 | Bushcat | and I chose Cinnamon |
| 19:09.52 | greycat | Run tasksel, and select them. |
| 19:10.21 | Bushcat | greycat, let me run it in one of my servers |
| 19:10.27 | oxek | generally a bad idea to install them all anyway |
| 19:10.39 | oxek | unless it's on some test system where you want to check them out |
| 19:10.43 | Bushcat | but they are all headless, so I gotta do SSH from this machine |
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| 19:11.12 | Bushcat | oxek, I do not like you, hence I am not expecting your advice |
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| 19:11.37 | greycat | you're installing multiple desktops on a headless machine... fuck this, *plonk* |
| 19:11.39 | oxek | you don't have to like me, but it is still a valid statement that installing *all* the DEs can lead to trouble |
| 19:12.54 | Bushcat | greycat, I am strapped, I ordered few quality keyboard and monitors |
| 19:12.56 | NetTerminalGene | if you want xfce panel appears in kde, go ahead |
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| 19:13.41 | greycat | none of them will appear anywhere because it's a fucking headless machine, and he's just trolling us |
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| 19:26.36 | Bushcat | how do you select from tasksel |
| 19:27.11 | cws | Bushcat: By reading the manual. |
| 19:27.11 | jelly | cursor, space |
| 19:27.47 | Bushcat | thanks jelly and cws you gotta work on with your attitude skills |
| 19:28.01 | oxek | ... |
| 19:28.05 | cws | Bushcat: And you need to work on your basic concepts, competence, and grammar skills. |
| 19:28.10 | cws | No one's perfect. |
| 19:28.54 | NetTerminalGene | should i install rockylinux when its out? |
| 19:29.03 | NetTerminalGene | and remove debian? |
| 19:29.14 | Bushcat | i am wide open, if you pinpoint problems |
| 19:29.15 | jelly | NetTerminalGene, #debian-offtopic is over there -> |
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| 19:29.46 | NetTerminalGene | jelly: but it is more fun when you say in here |
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| 19:30.07 | Bushcat | thanks greycat tasksel is brilliant, its installing, I plugged up my other minitor |
| 19:30.18 | jelly | you know what's also more fun? Kicking people out of channels for sayin dumb stuff |
| 19:30.51 | Bushcat | 1190 files to install |
| 19:31.52 | Bushcat | jelly, thanks that cws wanna correct my grammar, his mother must be grammarian |
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| 19:35.56 | NetTerminalGene | Bushcat: did you select all of them? |
| 19:36.08 | NetTerminalGene | it sounds you didn't to me |
| 19:37.03 | Bushcat | NetTerminalGene, yes apart from Cinnamon, which I have anyway, I even selected laptop |
| 19:37.22 | Bushcat | its installing, thanks to chief! The greycat |
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| 19:37.42 | Bushcat | cats are for cats anyway |
| 19:37.57 | NetTerminalGene | Bushcat: keep me informing about your funny hybrid stuff please |
| 19:38.51 | Bushcat | well, with cinnamon in it standalone, I felt problems hence I decided to install other DE |
| 19:39.26 | Bushcat | for example in this machine, where I am writing you, its Debian 9 and I installed all the DE and it never cause issue running programs |
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| 19:40.39 | Bushcat | i am not a Linux System Admin, but I utilize Linux as BEST Server for Web Applications, I work with few FULL STACKS, PERN Stack, LAMP Stack, Python-Django Stack |
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| 19:41.06 | NetTerminalGene | i couldn't sleep if i installed all desktops |
| 19:42.41 | Bushcat | PERN = PostgreSQl,Express.js., React.js and Node.js and to implement this in Windows is like going to Nicaragua |
| 19:43.05 | Bushcat | Debian did PERN at ease |
| 19:43.27 | Bushcat | Kudos to Debian |
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| 19:46.17 | NetTerminalGene | Bushcat: why not rocky linux? |
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| 19:47.10 | Bushcat | yeah why not dude |
| 19:47.30 | jhutchins | This disccussion really doesn't seem to be about Debian Support. Perhaps it could move to offtopic. |
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| 19:48.15 | Bushcat | jhutchins, I do not see anyone else complaining |
| 19:48.34 | Bushcat | besides, channel is also for little socializing |
| 19:49.03 | Bushcat | perhaps, your mother taught you full gamut of strictness per se |
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| 19:50.20 | jelly | !offtopic |
| 19:50.20 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 19:50.33 | oxek | !tell NetTerminalGene about rockylinux |
| 19:50.46 | jelly | Bushcat, take the hint |
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| 19:51.22 | Bushcat | jelly, thanks for the clinical and rather sterile script |
| 19:51.23 | jelly | oxek++ |
| 19:51.27 | jhutchins | no, it isnt for socialising. |
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| 19:51.41 | cws | Oh boy. |
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| 19:52.13 | oxek | damn autocomplete, right :) |
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| 19:52.59 | jelly | the bust remains unmastered |
| 19:53.08 | oxek | lol |
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| 19:55.42 | jelly | dpkg, karma oxek |
| 19:55.42 | dpkg | oxek has neutral karma |
| 19:55.45 | jelly | wut |
| 19:55.53 | jelly | !oxek++ |
| 19:55.56 | jelly | dpkg, karma oxek |
| 19:55.56 | dpkg | oxek has karma of 1 |
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| 19:57.28 | oxek | first time I see this karma thing |
| 19:57.49 | sney | nobody really uses it |
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| 19:58.12 | greycat | dpkg, karma jelly |
| 19:58.12 | dpkg | jelly has karma of 8 |
| 19:58.18 | oxek | best I can hope for is that people don't think I'm a troll |
| 19:59.03 | imMute | dpkg, karma imMute |
| 19:59.03 | dpkg | immute has neutral karma |
| 19:59.20 | orgg | dpkg, karna orgg |
| 19:59.20 | dpkg | orgg: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 19:59.25 | orgg | dpkg, karma orgg |
| 19:59.25 | dpkg | orgg has neutral karma |
| 19:59.28 | orgg | lol |
| 19:59.40 | orgg | I almost should lose some for misspelling karma. |
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| 20:00.27 | jelly | maybe they use it but fail to remember the ! prefix |
| 20:00.44 | jelly | maybe noone remembers that exists |
| 20:01.13 | orgg | I miss the days when eggdrops were king... |
| 20:01.19 | orgg | strokes grey beard |
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| 20:06.58 | oo_miguel | hi |
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| 20:10.28 | Noisytoot | dpkg, karma Noisytoot |
| 20:10.28 | dpkg | noisytoot has neutral karma |
| 20:10.36 | Noisytoot | !Noisytoot++ |
| 20:10.41 | Noisytoot | dpkg, karma Noisytoot |
| 20:10.41 | dpkg | noisytoot has neutral karma |
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| 20:13.53 | Noisytoot | <dpkg> please don't karma yourself |
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| 20:31.23 | BuenGenio | good day gents and lassies |
| 20:32.11 | BuenGenio | hopefully a quick one - for some reason my trusted apt keys / "Trusted software providers" keys, keep randomly disappearing on all my laptops |
| 20:32.41 | BuenGenio | I end up not being sure that what I'm installing is what it says it is and comes from where it claims it comes |
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| 20:33.24 | BuenGenio | how do I put those keys back for my distro's main repos? |
| 20:33.47 | greycat | I'm just gonna go ahead and /ignore now and save myself the time. |
| 20:34.00 | greycat | "my distro" is a hell of a key phrase |
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| 20:34.09 | BuenGenio | do I just drop the Release.gpg in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d |
| 20:34.37 | BuenGenio | @greycat, Ubuntu in my case. |
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| 20:34.44 | BuenGenio | talking deb here don't worry :) |
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| 20:34.54 | oxek | BuenGenio: is your sources.list correct, and do you have debian-archive-keyring package installed? |
| 20:35.03 | BuenGenio | checking |
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| 20:35.31 | BuenGenio | right debian-archive-keyring wasn't installed |
| 20:35.50 | BuenGenio | # apt install debian-archive-keyring Preparing to unpack .../debian-archive-keyring_2019.1ubuntu2_all.deb ... |
| 20:35.54 | BuenGenio | 2019?... |
| 20:36.02 | oxek | ... |
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| 20:36.06 | oxek | you're not on debian |
| 20:36.16 | greycat | you missed the part where they said "my distro" |
| 20:36.56 | oxek | I assume they meant debian by that |
| 20:37.03 | greycat | now you know |
| 20:37.07 | oxek | yeah |
| 20:37.51 | BuenGenio | So I extrapolated slightly and tried ubuntu-archive-keyring |
| 20:37.54 | BuenGenio | but getting this |
| 20:37.56 | BuenGenio | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.56 | BuenGenio | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 20:37.56 | BuenGenio | is only available from another source |
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| 20:38.06 | BuenGenio | sorry |
| 20:38.32 | oxek | !tell BuenGenio about ubuntu |
| 20:38.39 | BuenGenio | now I know your tolerance levels :) |
| 20:39.22 | BuenGenio | @oxek - I just came from there, can't stand that channel - it's too loud, and they're busy arguining about something trivial atm |
| 20:39.27 | jhutchins | BuenGenio: It's just that advice that would fix Debian can break Ubuntu, and most of us don't run both so we don't know what's changed. |
| 20:40.06 | jhutchins | There's probably a channel on oftc.net, it's probably quieter. |
| 20:40.21 | oxek | BuenGenio: the community is part of the distro you pick. Don't like ubuntu community? Switch to debian. |
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| 20:41.24 | BuenGenio | been a good couple of years since I've been on IRC, didn't even know about OFTC - thanks - will check them out |
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| 20:51.01 | BuenGenio | on a related, and ultimately the reason I don't think authentication is something that can simply be overlooked (especially in times when CVE's are rolling out like it's pandemic)... - what available and standard issue tools should I be reading up on and make sure are installed to verify the integrity of files (save configs of course) corresponds to that of original Distro provided debs? |
| 20:51.29 | BuenGenio | I'm not sure how debsums works to tell me files are OK, if it was itself installed without any authentication available |
| 20:52.20 | H-var | what's "trixie-updates"? |
| 20:53.11 | greycat | doesn't sound like a Debian thing; at least, judd doesn't know about it, and neither does apt-cache search |
| 20:54.11 | oxek | sounds like a repository name for a different linux distribution |
| 20:54.16 | H-var | I have it automatically enabled with the cinnamon desktop that I installed from debian's repos |
| 20:54.16 | jmcnaught | !trixie |
| 20:54.17 | dpkg | The release following Debian 12 "Bookworm" and will be Debian 13 "Trixie". https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/11/msg00002.html Trixie is the blue triceratops from Toy Story 3. |
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| 20:54.59 | oxek | H-var: that does not sound right |
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| 20:55.17 | H-var | I have: trixie-proposed-updates, trixie-security, trixie-updates all enabled |
| 20:55.28 | greycat | So you're from the future? What's it like? |
| 20:55.38 | H-var | I installed cinnamon from debian.org |
| 20:55.48 | H-var | and it has a built-in upodater, like kde does |
| 20:56.28 | H-var | automatic updater program |
| 20:56.49 | BuenGenio | ... i tried tiger, samhain and aide, but they all rely of the assumption that there is a "clean" reference state you can do the initial scans, but I'm simply way more paranoid than assuming my system hasn't been tampered by the time I'm finished doing a clean install |
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| 20:59.48 | ryouma | debian was one of the first to ensure that packages are signed, and if you trust the install media, then you hould be able to trust the tools' provenance, provided no interference in the meantime |
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| 21:00.36 | ryouma | what would integrity checkers do that is more than they do? go to the web and use a different source? you have to assume the integrity checkers themselves are ok. |
| 21:00.54 | BuenGenio | exactly my point |
| 21:01.06 | ryouma | oh i thought you aewer asking a question rather than making a point |
| 21:01.16 | ryouma | never mind |
| 21:02.14 | H-var | https://i.postimg.cc/qM742Wp4/Untitled.png |
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| 21:02.54 | BuenGenio | both :) the question part of that sentiment was - how do I automate the process of verifying the sums are ok once I'm satisfied I have an unadulterated connection to a mirror I trust |
| 21:03.46 | BuenGenio | H-var, not after I've read this: https://www.zdnet.com/article/opening-this-image-file-grants-hackers-access-to-your-android-phone/ |
| 21:03.53 | BuenGenio | lol |
| 21:03.53 | karlpinc | BuenGenio: G |
| 21:03.55 | karlpinc | That depends on what you mean by "automate". |
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| 21:05.32 | karlpinc | BuenGenio: You could write a shell script that does a sha256 (or whatever the command might be to come up with the hash you desire) and prints the result and you manually eyeball it and see it checks. Or you could hire a firm in Banglore to make you a web page that will compare the checksum for you. How automated is automated? |
| 21:05.48 | BuenGenio | karlpinc, a one liner or a few statements to invoke a tool that would go through every binary/executable/resource file that's part of a package and cross check that it's identical to a package that hasn't been anywhere near my machine |
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| 21:06.22 | BuenGenio | karlpinc, right - you're assuming I know where to look up the "correct" checksums |
| 21:06.51 | karlpinc | BuenGenio: Usually you'd just check the checksum on the install media. But there's "debsums" that does what you want. (If I understand what you want.) |
| 21:07.28 | jhutchins | BuenGenio: We're assuming that you can find them easily. |
| 21:07.50 | BuenGenio | that's what I kind of want to know - but given I'm most likely not the first person who's after a similar goal, perhaps there's a tool I should and don't know about that may be already included as part of my stock distro |
| 21:08.10 | karlpinc | BuenGenio: That's the only problem with checksums. You have to assume that where ever you're getting them from is secure. So, get them from, say, 10 mirrors and the main debian website. (Using secure dns and https, or such.) And if they all match then you're pretty sure they're not compromised. |
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| 21:08.51 | ryouma | debusms can use mirror i thoguht /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums. |
| 21:09.09 | ryouma | but in any case debsums itself would be compromised |
| 21:09.33 | karlpinc | ryouma: But how complicated can debsums itself be? You could always read the source. |
| 21:09.39 | ryouma | the question is what dos one do to be sneaky (iu.e. something htat a bad guy cannot find automatically) while at the same time being a released package, i guess |
| 21:09.54 | ryouma | karlpinc: but then you have to trust the compiuler |
| 21:10.13 | ryouma | it's turtles alllllllllllllllllllll down |
| 21:10.27 | BuenGenio | karlpinc, debsums is really where I'm leaning towards, the only problem with debsums - or me - is that I don't see in the manual that I can instruct it to avoid checking against the sums in the debs that are on disk, and pull them from the mirror instead |
| 21:10.34 | karlpinc | ryouma: Interpreter. (perl?) So re-write it in another scripting language and double check. |
| 21:11.02 | karlpinc | BuenGenio: Hack the script. |
| 21:11.03 | ryouma | yes he could do that. bt he is asking for a turnkey soluytion. |
| 21:11.06 | BuenGenio | but if that were the ase that seems like a pretty trivial thing to "fix" with a script |
| 21:11.10 | BuenGenio | yeh |
| 21:11.38 | BuenGenio | karlpinc, good to be around people who are on the same wavelength :) |
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| 21:12.00 | ryouma | dpm |
| 21:12.07 | BuenGenio | this is way more chilled than Ubuntu ^_^ |
| 21:12.09 | ryouma | t fprget boot loader etc. |
| 21:12.24 | ryouma | and... your hardware |
| 21:12.35 | ryouma | muahaha :( |
| 21:13.01 | ryouma | also that creepy van across the street that can read your screen |
| 21:13.11 | BuenGenio | ryouma, dpm, as in ¿dabutén? |
| 21:13.14 | ryouma | don't |
| 21:13.20 | ryouma | forget |
| 21:13.31 | ryouma | dpm as in bad keyboard |
| 21:15.01 | ryouma | but you're trusting debian with regular use, so is the step from installagtion beginning to installed any different? |
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| 21:15.58 | ryouma | or are you referring to the fact that you have to apt-get upgrade after the installation and some of the upgraded packages might be bad? |
| 21:18.20 | BuenGenio | I'm leaning towards a possibility that by the time I'm done loading the installer it may already have been tampered with |
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| 21:19.10 | ryouma | then my first q |
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| 21:28.50 | BuenGenio | @ryouma, well, other than the fact I know I had S3 boot scripts in my NVRAM, which I don't know how to get out and that I invariably end up having some if not most some sort of virtualisation/containerisation toolkit talking to random IPs in china and EC2 via encrypted UDP or mcast traffic or having a docker overlay of my whole FS mirrored to Amazon or Google Cloud, and snap that's fresh off the USB ISO burner laced with shit like this: |
| 21:28.51 | BuenGenio | https://www.hybrid-analysis.com/sample/d1c8a7834303b31bb2acd44076e2f5912535b1e2c69b26bdaf6509e1866bb306/5f2c571d1530f733c341428e |
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| 21:30.26 | ryouma | acronym overload |
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| 21:32.45 | BuenGenio | like literally was the least succeptible or paranoid person I know until last december, when I realised I had an instance of ngrok running from inside one of the library folders I was using or a project I'd spent 6 months working flat out. started digging and discovered most of my servers were infested with cryptominers, loggers, database sniffers - you name it |
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| 21:34.14 | BuenGenio | actually started a few weeks before that actually, when I realised I almost had to shout talking to my wife one evening because of how loud the fans in her Macbook were running |
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| 21:36.04 | jpmh | if anyone who was involved in this mornig's discussion on xset in a cron job stillis here - as promissed - fully tested now |
| 21:36.23 | jpmh | the issue wasjust that x was notfully up - with a long pause we are clean |
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| 21:38.26 | BuenGenio | literally tested out every freaking distro out there so far this year - Arch, Debian, Ubuntu, SuSe, Void, Guix and that super secure one from Redhat's, can't remember |
| 21:39.26 | BuenGenio | Elementary.... though that one deserves a separate mention |
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| 21:40.52 | BuenGenio | I start of with a minimal install and end up with more systemd units than there are packages doing you name it |
| 21:43.53 | BuenGenio | oh, did I mention that a couple of days after finally managing to put UB-ports on my phone... left it running for a couple of days, came back one day to see htop filled up with apache threads serving away gigs of encrypted traffic.... |
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| 21:44.38 | BuenGenio | I can't believe how paranoid that that looks even to me |
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| 21:46.55 | jhutchins | BuenGenio: While I'm sure you've found the process interesting, this really isn't the place to talk about all the OTHER Distros you've tried. If you have a debuan support question we'll be glad to help, bit fpr the rest of it there's #debian-offtopic. |
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| 21:50.35 | BuenGenio | jhutchins, i obviously went off on quite a tangent, but has anyone else been noticing something not quite right - mostly on systemd based systems |
| 21:50.38 | BuenGenio | lately? |
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| 21:52.21 | karlpinc | BuenGenio: #debian-offtopic? |
| 21:52.23 | oxek | BuenGenio: you're really starting to come across as a troll here |
| 21:52.53 | BuenGenio | roger |
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| 21:58.04 | jhutchins | BuenGenio: What in particular. |
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| 22:02.26 | H-var | could it be that I am seeing trixie-updates as an option because of updating to kernel 5.11? |
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| 22:11.06 | oxek | H-var: are you on debian stable (buster)? |
| 22:13.18 | H-var | oxek: No |
| 22:13.28 | oxek | then you're in the wrong channel |
| 22:13.32 | oxek | !debian-next |
| 22:13.33 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 22:16.52 | monkwitdafunk | !dpkg live |
| 22:16.52 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-live/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. <UEFI> mode is supported by Debian Live images. |
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| 22:20.29 | H-var | thank you, axek |
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| 23:51.53 | warsoul | is wifi working on bullseye? |
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| 23:55.22 | abrotman | yes? |
| 23:55.25 | oxek | warsoul: should be. |
| 23:55.44 | warsoul | if i upgrade from buster to bullseye should keep working normally? |
| 23:56.23 | oxek | warsoul: you'll read about any important changes in the release notes once bullseye is released as stable |
| 23:56.43 | warsoul | nop |
