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| 00:33.08 | oxek | alexrelis[m]: taking a typical user into account, windows 10 is much more secure than a random language-specific distro that has last been updated 2+ years ago that they'd find on google |
| 00:33.52 | oxek | when people decide to install a linux distro for themselves, as opposed to when an "expert" does it for them or walks them through it, then the results are horrible |
| 00:34.52 | alexrelis[m] | oxek: That's why I said that it depended on how the OS is configured. If you're using Linux kernel 2.6 and your password is passw0rd, then it will be light years less secure than Windows 10 with a strong password. |
| 00:35.47 | oxek | win10's forced automatic updates help, just as forced updates of browsers on windows |
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| 00:40.06 | alexrelis[m] | That said, I'd say that a default install of a mainstream distro (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, RHEL) is slightly more secure than Windows 10 because of things like centralized package management as a primary means of installing software. The Microsoft Store kind of mitigates this, but most people still download .exe and .msi files straight from the internet. |
| 00:41.24 | alexrelis[m] | Also, you are expected by default to enter your password after every administrative action on mainstream distros. On Windows you can just press "Yes" and users are less mindful about admin privileges as a result. |
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| 01:07.48 | oxek | alexrelis[m]: people don't install mainstream distros, they install all sorts of crap found on google |
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| 01:08.16 | oxek | e.g. people are still successfully managing to install mandriva linux in france |
| 01:08.19 | alexrelis[m] | As far as I know, Ubuntu is still the most installed distro. |
| 01:08.21 | oxek | despite it being 6 years out of date |
| 01:08.24 | alexrelis[m] | Lol |
| 01:10.34 | b0n3h346 | Does anyone know if there exists, somewhere on the web, dvd isos for old releases of debain? Specifically the ones that you originally could only download with jigdo. I already have the one you can get from the archive. |
| 01:11.10 | b0n3h346 | *ones |
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| 01:11.53 | sney | so you've already seen e.g. this? https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.0_r0/i386/jigdo-cd/ |
| 01:11.56 | alexrelis[m] | b0n3h346: I don't know for sure about jigdo, but have you checked this: http://archive.debian.org/debian/ |
| 01:12.18 | alexrelis[m] | sney's link looks more relevant to what you need. |
| 01:12.27 | sney | I think releases prior to woody were only distributed as floppy images. and might be lost |
| 01:13.40 | b0n3h346 | the jigdo images require that you use jigdo. They are not actual images. They use the repo to build an image locally. |
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| 01:14.33 | leonardus | does the full amd64 iso contain more wifi drivers than the netinst? |
| 01:14.40 | leonardus | i'm trying to get wifi working on the installation |
| 01:14.59 | sney | leonardus: what you need is non-free firmware, there are special images for it |
| 01:15.01 | sney | !firmware image |
| 01:15.01 | dpkg | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
| 01:15.15 | leonardus | thank you |
| 01:15.45 | themill | b0n3h346: most of those images were *never* distributed by Debian. |
| 01:16.48 | b0n3h346 | Right. So as far as you are aware, I either need to get jigdo working on the archive repo, or just download the whole repo; for the arch I want. |
| 01:17.33 | b0n3h346 | Except for ver 6 and earlier |
| 01:18.20 | leonardus | how much work is it to write a wifi kernel module? |
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| 01:18.54 | b0n3h346 | that's a long answer |
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| 01:19.13 | sney | leonardus: it's usually done by the hardware vendors, and with their resources it doesn't *seem* to take very long. |
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| 01:19.25 | sney | for a more amateur approach, maybe look into the history of the madwifi project |
| 01:20.19 | sney | leonardus: if you are struggling with a specific wifi device, what is it? people in this channel can probably help you with an easier solution than writing a new driver from scratch. |
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| 01:20.31 | leonardus | I'm not, was just curious |
| 01:20.56 | leonardus | cause if it didn't take that much work I wouldn't mind learning and writing a free version for a wifi device that only had nonfree firmware |
| 01:21.27 | sney | you definitely should read about madwifi then, and the drivers that succeeded it |
| 01:21.39 | leonardus | thanks, I will |
| 01:21.40 | themill | kernel module and firmware are two different things. Lots of hardware is just a bag of expensive sand until the firmware is loaded |
| 01:21.52 | leonardus | themill: what is the difference? |
| 01:22.19 | themill | the firmware runs on the hardware itself and without, the hardware often can't do anything at all |
| 01:24.32 | themill | If you don't know the on-silicon details of the hardware, you can't write replacement firmware |
| 01:26.07 | leonardus | I'm trying to lsusb in the installer but it says command not found, is there a busybox equivalent? |
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| 01:26.39 | leonardus | The wifi adapter I'm trying to use is AWUS036ACS |
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| 01:32.57 | leonardus | Nevermind tethering from my phone worked. |
| 01:34.29 | sney | google tells me your wifi dongle is a realtek, and maybe only supported by a github driver that still hasn't been merged to mainline. |
| 01:34.57 | sney | but realtek's model numbers are wildly inconsistent so you should also try a newer kernel than buster, in case they rolled support into a different driver. |
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| 01:38.15 | sney | (the github driver can be found at https://github.com/morrownr/8812au - no promises as to quality) |
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| 01:39.54 | leonardus | thanks |
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| 01:52.50 | leonardus | This is my partition layout but when I press continue it's complaining that I don't have a /boot partition, isn't that what EFI System Partition is for? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/N342OEgV/IMG_20210501_215207.jpg |
| 01:56.07 | tomreyn | leonardus: /boot is what stores the kernel and initrd, the ESP is mkoounted at /boot/efi |
| 01:56.16 | tomreyn | *mounted |
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| 01:58.34 | cybercrypto | leonardus: try checking this first, to see if this helps you understanding better. https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI |
| 01:59.16 | leonardus | tomreyn, cybercrypto: got it, thanks. does it matter if the /boot partition come after the root partition? |
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| 02:00.05 | cybercrypto | leonardus: it does not matter the sequence/order you created the partitions on the disk, no issues. |
| 02:00.55 | tomreyn | you could put it into this 1 GB free space at the end of nvme0n1 |
| 02:02.37 | leonardus | yeah that's what I ended up doing |
| 02:02.38 | tomreyn | another option would be to place it within the crypto container, but you'd need an lvm layer then, and i'm not sure the installer support this setup. |
| 02:03.55 | cybercrypto | leonardus: try also this part, it is quite clarifying I think. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apc.en.html |
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| 02:15.18 | leonardus | Does anyone know what wifi driver I'll need for this onboard wifi, also? lspci says "Intel Corporation Device 2723" but installing firmware-iwlwifi still didn't seem to get it to work: |
| 02:15.19 | leonardus | https://www.asrock.com/mb/amd/x570%20taichi/#Download |
| 02:16.07 | sney | it's just new, you'll need the kernel and firmware from buster-backports and it should just work |
| 02:16.18 | sney | the driver is still iwlwifi. |
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| 02:17.27 | leonardus | got it, I'll try that |
| 02:18.36 | oxek | ESP really should be mounted at /efi |
| 02:18.40 | oxek | but few seem to do that |
| 02:20.56 | leonardus | why don't the sources in sources.list use HTTPS by default? |
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| 02:21.25 | oxek | leonardus: just habit, no real reason |
| 02:21.33 | oxek | you can use https if you want |
| 02:21.35 | ndorf | apt-cacher-ng would stop working, for one thing |
| 02:26.21 | leonardus | sney: the wifi interface is showing up now, thanks |
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| 02:39.30 | somiaj | leonardus: apt uses other means to insure package integurity, so there was historically never a big push to use https for that. |
| 02:42.32 | somiaj | My undersatnding is the biggest draw back is someone can see which packages you are installing, but due to secure apt, https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt, they can't inject malicious packages. Even with https they could see you were installing packages, but couldn't tell which ones. |
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| 02:44.42 | somiaj | hmm, seems the domain that use to have a blog post on this subject has been repuroposed. (also a lot of these decisions were made before https certs became far more common and easy to obtain) |
| 02:44.45 | oxek | historically non-https apt repos helped exploit bugs in apt that would have been prevented had https been used |
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| 02:54.32 | somiaj | hmm, according to this forum I found, I was incorrect above, someone could figure out what package/version was being installed using filesize instead of name if using https. |
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| 03:38.47 | lembron | hi, any eta on bullseye? - somewhere in the next 3 months or so realistic? |
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| 03:45.12 | ryouma | i found that apt-transport-https does not work in practice. the onion one works, but requires http. but idk if failover works as one would want it to. i have forgotten the details. i wanted a kind of, use this, but if having issues, use that. |
| 03:45.49 | ryouma | (in jessie or stretch at least) |
| 03:46.17 | somiaj | lembron: I hear the biggest issues are now in the installer, and possibly June, maybe sooner. |
| 03:46.46 | somiaj | ryouma: afiak, https is now built into apt, so one no longer needs apt-transport-https. |
| 03:47.15 | ryouma | ah. then one can add s to one's urls' |
| 03:47.18 | ryouma | ? |
| 03:47.25 | ryouma | or i9 geuss that requires support on all the servers |
| 03:47.28 | somiaj | provided the mirror being used supports it |
| 03:48.16 | somiaj | the standard argument I kept seeing was that https won't add any meaninfully security that apt doesn't already have without a major overhaul on hundereds of mirrors |
| 03:48.20 | lembron | that aint sounding bad... guess ill leave that stretch box i found running for a little and jump to bulls directly =) - thx somiaj |
| 03:48.29 | somiaj | lembron: never do that |
| 03:48.40 | somiaj | lembron: you always have to upgrade one version at a time, so you would have to upgrade though buster. |
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| 03:49.16 | lembron | somiaj oh yea no worries, i generally dont "upgrade" but "rebuild on new HW" - so all good :P |
| 03:49.42 | somiaj | That's fine, though debian provides very nice upgrade path, I rarely reinstall. |
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| 03:58.32 | somiaj | ryouma: since you mentioned jessie/stretch, https was added in apt 1.5, which needs buster or newer, so yea those older versions needed apt-transport-https. |
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| 04:02.29 | ryouma | all of this is automatic now? so you don't have to take a chance on whether your servers will support it? |
| 04:02.57 | ryouma | i think there was a paper on a vuln in the packages file or so, which is improved by https |
| 04:04.11 | somiaj | I'm just pointing out you dn't need an additoinal package to add https support, I still don't think it is being used by default. |
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| 04:04.51 | ryouma | oh you have to enable it? ok. |
| 04:05.16 | somiaj | I think that can be done by just using https:// in sources.list, though I haven't tested this. |
| 04:05.36 | oxek | since this is security related, you really should upgrade to a stable version of debian instead of using debian 8/9 |
| 04:05.40 | oxek | (or older) |
| 04:10.23 | ryouma | it would seem no more insecure than running buster or bullseye and not using https? |
| 04:11.30 | oxek | there are security improvements in buster & bullseye, that are not explicitly fixing security vulnerabilities |
| 04:12.22 | ryouma | oh i thought you were talking about one particular one |
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| 06:52.09 | alkisg | Hi, in upstream https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/ we have an integrated debian folder in the main branch. |
| 06:52.09 | alkisg | When I git clone and I run `dpkg-source -b .`, it says: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no upstream tarball found at ... |
| 06:52.09 | alkisg | Is there a way to use dpkg-source while inside the git tree, without manually creating an upstream.tar.gz? |
| 06:52.36 | somiaj | alkisg: don't build a source package, and only build a binary package |
| 06:53.00 | somiaj | alkisg: note, are you also the debian matainer for this package (or is there a debian matainer)? |
| 06:53.23 | alkisg | somiaj: I want to build a .tar.gz and a .dsc to upload them to opensuse build service for some non-debian distributions like ubuntu/raspbian |
| 06:53.27 | alkisg | Yes, I'm DM for that package |
| 06:54.55 | somiaj | You do need to have the .tar.gz avilable to build the source package. I think there is a way to build the .tar.gz as part of the build, but I don't know them off the top of my head. |
| 06:56.05 | alkisg | Opensource build service expects a .tar.gz, which I can easily generate, and a .dsc... I'm having a trouble generated that one. If I switch the format to native, then dpkg-source doesn't complain, but it's not really a debian native package... |
| 06:56.19 | alkisg | s/generated/generating/ |
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| 07:00.21 | somiaj | I also notice there is a 3.0 (git) format, though I don't know what would be best. If someone who actually knows this better than I do doens't speak up here, you could try #packaging on irc.oftc.net |
| 07:01.07 | alkisg | Thank you very much, googling for 3.0 (git), it does sound more suitable than native/quilt |
| 07:03.24 | somiaj | alkisg: and the only reason I asked if you were the DM for the package, is sometimes upstream debian/ can conflict with what is needed for debian and can complicate things. But since you are the matainer will make things easier. |
| 07:04.23 | alkisg | Right, that's what I was thinking when I decided to include debian/ upstream, but sometimes (like now) it goes against the "separate debian packaging" usual workflow... |
| 07:05.04 | alkisg | `dpkg-source -b .` with "3.0 (git)" created a .dsc and a .git bundle, nice, looking for how to use git bundles... |
| 07:05.51 | somiaj | almost wonder if putting debian/ in a seperate branch could help out, though as the matainer it might not be worth the hassel. |
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| 07:08.01 | alkisg | Ideally I would like to have all packaging folders (for all distributions) in the same upstream tree for my packages, it would make life easier. E.g. "update for newer library 3.x" might be a single commit that affects both src/ and debian/ or spec/ folders... |
| 07:08.46 | alkisg | Of course it's more common that "package maintainers != upstream", but it would be nice to also support "package maintainers == upstream"... |
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| 07:13.54 | somiaj | Either way, I think you can get it to work out. My experience is very limited, but I had one package I had to remove an old/oudated debian/ dir first, before adding one to make a package that meets debian policy, and since debian requires exact copy of upstream source, then adding debian/ and patches on top of it, just can make that work flow a bit more complicated if you need to make changes to meet |
| 07:14.00 | somiaj | debian policy. |
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| 07:15.28 | somiaj | though there are plenty of upstream that does this, just pointing out it can sometimes cause extra work for the matainer. |
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| 07:31.38 | alkisg | somiaj: thanks, after adding git to build-deps, format=3.0 (git) worked! |
| 07:34.13 | somiaj | alkisg: good to hear |
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| 08:59.51 | holycow | hi |
| 09:00.24 | wyoung | hi |
| 09:00.31 | holycow | does anyone know how to intercept and remap button #10 and #11 on a joystick to something else ... at the driver level before anything caninterpret it? |
| 09:01.07 | holycow | jstest-gtk can only move the order of buttons around. and i don't know if it even works the right way, i read that evdev is the new way that everything accesses joysticks these days |
| 09:01.46 | holycow | button 10 and 11 sit right under the analog controllers and i hit them all the time |
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| 09:02.18 | holycow | googled this forever and nothing shows up on the topic |
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| 09:16.28 | ratrace | holycow: don't these things ultimately _all_ go through xorg/libinput and can be remapped there? |
| 09:20.19 | holycow | that is a good point actually, never looked into that. thanks, googling. |
| 09:21.08 | ratrace | holycow: use "xev" to see what signals the joystick buttons produce, if any. if there's a scancode or xorg designation, it should be remappable |
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| 09:23.43 | holycow | aha |
| 09:23.51 | holycow | i did not know about that |
| 09:24.06 | holycow | well kb, mouse and touchpad provide feedback |
| 09:24.10 | holycow | that makes sense |
| 09:24.28 | holycow | but not joystick. looks like that uses js0 |
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| 09:26.16 | holycow | okay that gets me closer, i appreciate that |
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| 09:36.19 | Bushcat | Hi, can anyone resolve this https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/3FsN9PdKwp/ Why I cant see root directories like usr, bin, etc etc? |
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| 09:36.59 | holycow | Bushcat: cd / |
| 09:37.13 | Bushcat | let me check |
| 09:37.44 | holycow | when you sudo to root it drops you into /root |
| 09:37.46 | Bushcat | thanks holycow its working |
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| 09:41.00 | Bushcat | now any clue how to solve this permission issue holycow https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/YsrCym5tbn/ |
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| 09:42.14 | warsoul | Bushcat try with sudo |
| 09:42.21 | holycow | uh no don't |
| 09:42.22 | holycow | heh |
| 09:42.35 | holycow | you shouldn't be using tor or anything as sudo that accesses the internt |
| 09:42.39 | holycow | idon't know how you got that |
| 09:42.40 | holycow | but |
| 09:42.51 | Bushcat | warsoul, it did not work and yes holycow you are right |
| 09:42.51 | holycow | download tor to your local desktop or local folder |
| 09:42.52 | holycow | extract |
| 09:43.02 | rk4 | "try with sudo" iirc was a bog standard ubuntu trouble solution tip iirc, for better or worse |
| 09:43.04 | holycow | and just do ./start-tor-browser.desktop |
| 09:43.05 | Bushcat | i have done all that holycow |
| 09:43.17 | holycow | i just run it locally |
| 09:43.24 | holycow | you should NOT be running browsers as root |
| 09:43.32 | Bushcat | its not working holycow let me pastebin you |
| 09:43.40 | holycow | that is a lovely way to say hello to some really nice people out there |
| 09:44.02 | warsoul | you are right holycow |
| 09:45.03 | rk4 | Bushcat: would suggest whatever security objective you hope to achieve will be severely compromised by not having even rudimentary knowledge of your OS :( |
| 09:45.21 | Bushcat | holycow, this is the full operation so far I have done with no success https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/SfK5rNft8C/ |
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| 09:46.19 | holycow | i just downloaded tor |
| 09:46.20 | holycow | extracted |
| 09:46.31 | holycow | i clicked on Tor Browser in root folder it extracted to it starts up |
| 09:46.54 | holycow | that should literally work for you |
| 09:46.57 | holycow | no need for commands |
| 09:48.01 | holycow | not sure what is happening on your desktop below |
| 09:48.28 | holycow | yeah starts up with cli here as well |
| 09:48.37 | holycow | are you in a vm or something? |
| 09:48.48 | holycow | is your file system locked in read only mode or something? |
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| 09:53.13 | Bushcat | holycow, no idea why it is not working, here is the pastebin of that Tor Browser Setup file '/home/bushcat/Downloads/tor-browser_en-US' https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/VYTKs3NdxD/ |
| 09:53.46 | holycow | there is nothing wrong with tor or the config |
| 09:53.55 | holycow | the problem is with your host / filesystem |
| 09:54.35 | holycow | if you donwloaded it, extracted as per your pastebin and you got that error message, something is weirdly wrong with your system |
| 09:54.38 | holycow | you hosed something |
| 09:55.05 | holycow | given where you are in terms of your skill level, it is far easier to start with a fresh install and start again then try to unfurl whatever is causing that ... although it may end up being simple |
| 09:55.25 | holycow | are you running linux in a vm? or you have it installed as the root os on your hardware? |
| 09:57.07 | Bushcat | holycow, no VM |
| 09:57.16 | Bushcat | holycow, I am in Debian 9 |
| 09:57.22 | Bushcat | so how I go about uninstalling this |
| 09:57.36 | holycow | just create a new debian vm and start over |
| 09:57.45 | holycow | its only a few minutes |
| 09:57.46 | Bushcat | no idea how to create VM |
| 09:58.18 | holycow | oh sorry, what does "no vm" mean. |
| 09:58.23 | holycow | no as in, no, i am using a vm |
| 09:58.29 | holycow | or no i am using a vm |
| 09:59.38 | qrpnxz | really? |
| 09:59.55 | Bushcat | no idea |
| 10:00.01 | Bushcat | I just use Debian 9 OS |
| 10:00.08 | Bushcat | no idea what is vm |
| 10:00.22 | holycow | once again |
| 10:00.25 | holycow | how do you have it installed |
| 10:00.30 | holycow | did you install it directly on your computer? |
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| 10:00.35 | holycow | did your computer come with it installed? |
| 10:00.54 | qrpnxz | bro, he said no vm, he said he doesn't even KNOW what a VM is |
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| 10:03.31 | Bushcat | holycow, I think i have pastebin you before how I installed the tor |
| 10:03.52 | holycow | no, i'm curious how you installed debian |
| 10:04.03 | holycow | did someone just give you the computer with debian installed? |
| 10:04.07 | holycow | did you install it your self? |
| 10:04.14 | Bushcat | holycow, long time ago, normal installation via USB flash drive |
| 10:04.16 | holycow | the problem is with your debian install not tor |
| 10:04.25 | holycow | ahhhh okay |
| 10:04.28 | oxek | I feel dirty looking at ubuntu pastebin in debian channel |
| 10:04.32 | Bushcat | I installed it, I know how to install Linux |
| 10:05.04 | holycow | just out of curosity |
| 10:05.19 | holycow | can you downlod firefox from extract it and try to run that? |
| 10:05.33 | holycow | i wonder if you get the same error |
| 10:05.37 | holycow | firefox.com |
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| 10:07.36 | Bushcat | I will leave it but thanks for all the help anyhow |
| 10:07.52 | holycow | np |
| 10:09.04 | oxek | I'd say if you're running browsers on the system, then it clearly isn't a server, and so you can likely upgrade to debian 10 |
| 10:09.22 | oxek | and on debian 10, there's torbrowser-launcher in buster-backports that makes this trivial |
| 10:10.02 | holycow | is it even necessary to deal with backports for tor really thought? download, extract and run |
| 10:10.25 | holycow | and if you want to be really safe use firejail with the local version |
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| 10:11.03 | Bushcat | no idea about these |
| 10:11.05 | Bushcat | sorry |
| 10:11.12 | Bushcat | its fine, I will survive |
| 10:11.21 | oxek | holycow: torbrowser-launcher needs to come from backports, the regular version is broken |
| 10:11.41 | oxek | oh nice, they removed it from regular buster repo |
| 10:12.00 | holycow | yeah, i just run it locally |
| 10:12.09 | oxek | Bushcat: 32bit or 64bit debian? |
| 10:13.07 | Bushcat | holycow, i am doing the same now again but this time non root and it is working |
| 10:13.17 | Bushcat | oxek, its 64 Bit machine |
| 10:13.36 | holycow | lol there you go. |
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| 10:14.36 | Bushcat | holycow, not yet, it is trying to establish connection |
| 10:14.40 | Bushcat | but I do not think it can |
| 10:14.45 | Bushcat | i had this same problem before |
| 10:15.10 | oxek | torbrowser seems to work just fine here |
| 10:15.10 | Bushcat | it says loading relay information and it kind of stuck at 75% blue bar |
| 10:15.15 | oxek | give it time |
| 10:15.23 | Bushcat | okay |
| 10:15.27 | holycow | yup. |
| 10:15.56 | Bushcat | few days ago, I waited 1 hour and it did not load, so this time I installed the latest version of Tor |
| 10:16.00 | Bushcat | okay its loaded |
| 10:16.01 | Bushcat | good good |
| 10:16.07 | Bushcat | finally thanks folks |
| 10:16.32 | Bushcat | so holycow what I learn from this? Root is a bitch? |
| 10:16.50 | holycow | no. |
| 10:17.03 | Bushcat | so had to unzip and run as non root and it worked |
| 10:17.07 | holycow | what you have learned is you have a lot more to learn |
| 10:17.20 | holycow | no you did not learn that either |
| 10:17.23 | Bushcat | when i was doing the same operation as in root, all got screwed up with permission issue |
| 10:17.32 | holycow | you lerned that you need to download and run AS THE USER THAT YOU ARE LOGGED IN |
| 10:17.43 | holycow | you sudoed into root for no reason that made any sense |
| 10:17.49 | holycow | and tried to download and run it from there |
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| 10:18.04 | Bushcat | well i did root cos I thought installation require root permission |
| 10:18.18 | holycow | running it doesn't require root |
| 10:18.18 | Bushcat | did not realize first I am actually unzipping it which does not need root |
| 10:18.30 | holycow | the package manager requires root to install it for all the users on the system |
| 10:18.46 | holycow | you can have 50 users on your box, the package manager needs admin priviledges to set it up for everyone |
| 10:19.00 | Bushcat | okay and in my case, I did not install anything right? I just unzipped and ran? |
| 10:19.00 | holycow | but you typically run apps as the user you are logged in as |
| 10:19.14 | holycow | weeeeel, that is what we think you did |
| 10:19.20 | holycow | what you actually did, who knows |
| 10:19.32 | Bushcat | okaythanks |
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| 10:21.39 | holycow | it takes time. there is a lot to learn. people think windows or mac is easy. this isn't true, they forget they have like 25+ years of muscle memory behind their experience |
| 10:22.22 | holycow | my favourite are photoshop users complaining about gimp. they also forget photoshop took them 10+ years to master and forget how hard it was to learn the first 50% of photoshop when they started. |
| 10:25.28 | Bushcat | understandable |
| 10:25.54 | Bushcat | thanks anyhow for all the help though |
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| 12:25.13 | rokra | hello, I m searhing to resolve an issue on a debian temaplate terraform deployment I did, but my network interface took 2 IPs, one manually set in the terraform deplyment and on other one by DHCP, how can I disable this dhcp one ? |
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| 12:35.42 | petn-randall | rokra: Do you know how any of those are configured in the system? |
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| 12:44.43 | rokra | petn-randall: looks like I foudn the both entries : one is in the /etc/network/interfaces in dhcp and the other is in /etc/network/interfaces.d/50-cloud-init with the static IP |
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| 12:46.39 | rokra | petn-randall: looks like I foudn the both entries : one is in the /etc/network/interfaces in dhcp and the other is in /etc/network/interfaces.d/50-cloud-init with the static IP : networking.serviceJob for networking.service failed because the control process exited with error code |
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| 12:46.47 | rokra | by the way it s impossible to restart networking service : |
| 12:46.50 | rokra | networking.serviceJob for networking.service failed because the control process exited with error code |
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| 12:48.52 | Ooze | Good morning. What's the correct way to enter this command in a systemd service? This doesn't seem to be working out: https://paste.incorrigible.me/ibacetoroh.ini |
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| 12:52.51 | wanko | why is my clock about 2 minutes 13 seconds off even with ntp server running? i tried timedatectl too butt doesn't do anything |
| 12:52.58 | wanko | but it* |
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| 12:57.08 | GNU\colossus | it probably just takes some time to heal :) |
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| 12:59.43 | wanko | ok it seems my workstation clock is off instead, sorry about that |
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| 13:10.15 | petn-randall | rokra: You can see why it failed with `journalctl -u networking`. |
| 13:11.12 | petn-randall | Ooze: How does it fail? "Doesn't work" is kinda vague. |
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| 13:23.35 | Ooze | It works. Had a permissions issue :) |
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| 13:29.35 | leonardus | How do I set debian to use network interface names such as eth0 and wlan0? |
| 13:29.45 | leonardus | They are some long string currently |
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| 13:36.17 | taman | leonardus, systemd.link(5) is one way, works for me |
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| 14:09.15 | ratrace | leonardus: easiest is to set net.ifnames=0 to kernel command line via grub (/etc/default/grub, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX) |
| 14:10.02 | ratrace | leonardus: but that only disables udev's renaming from kernel generic names ethX. You can regardless of this, always rename an interface using intrefaces(5) config option, or systemd-networkd using a .link unit |
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| 15:13.06 | subcool | howto i download source files |
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| 15:14.18 | subcool | like.. from what website would it be safe? |
| 15:14.35 | subcool | im looking for cut, awk etc. but- i dont know where to safely download them from. |
| 15:15.11 | subcool | grep - |
| 15:16.10 | leonardus | subcool: https://www.gnu.org/software/ |
| 15:16.20 | subcool | lol - thank you |
| 15:16.25 | subcool | i literally just found them on google. |
| 15:16.30 | subcool | thank you |
| 15:16.45 | LtL | !source |
| 15:16.45 | dpkg | As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; retrieve dependencies with <apt-get build-dep>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package> |
| 15:17.12 | subcool | OMG!!!! |
| 15:17.14 | subcool | THANK YOU |
| 15:17.34 | LtL | subcool: welcome |
| 15:24.05 | subcool | ok, small victory. i need files that arent an option |
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| 15:24.13 | subcool | awk, cut, |
| 15:24.13 | subcool | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:48.16 | LtL | subcool: sorry, i was away. try package coreutils for starters |
| 15:49.38 | subcool | Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file 'coreutils_8.30-3.dsc' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied) |
| 15:49.43 | subcool | i gget that error a lot |
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| 15:58.52 | subcool | OK. - my security of /root did that. im past it |
| 15:59.01 | subcool | but- really- ... its telling me to go to git. |
| 15:59.05 | subcool | sob |
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| 16:00.01 | LtL | yeah, permission? |
| 16:00.21 | subcool | https://askubuntu.com/questions/908800/what-does-this-apt-error-message-download-is-performed-unsandboxed-as-root |
| 16:00.27 | LtL | is /root/ chmod 755 |
| 16:00.47 | subcool | ? |
| 16:01.06 | LtL | 700 should be fine. is this a container of some sort? |
| 16:01.36 | subcool | nope |
| 16:01.48 | subcool | just seriously tired of this malware i have. |
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| 16:02.14 | subcool | trying to secure thign thing enoughn to find it- and kill it. or at least confidently know if i have it or not. |
| 16:02.42 | LtL | try rkhunter, chkrookit et al |
| 16:03.17 | subcool | im using them |
| 16:03.17 | LtL | better to just wipe the disk, reinstall if that's the case |
| 16:03.22 | subcool | i have |
| 16:03.29 | subcool | i cant tell if its in my bios |
| 16:03.45 | subcool | every time i install fresh, it finds 5 file suspect and at least 3 tojans |
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| 16:03.59 | subcool | but- i need THESE files to confirm if its accurate or just whitelist shit |
| 16:05.34 | Numero-6 | Hi all ! How can i see the log just before the previous boot, begging by the last ? If my pc shutdown, when i restart i want see why |
| 16:06.03 | Numero-6 | i have try to find with journalctl |
| 16:06.27 | another| | `journalctl --since today` might help |
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| 16:09.56 | Numero-6 | if i do : journalctl -b 1 -r --no-pager --since 2 hours |
| 16:10.32 | Numero-6 | that show all log 2 hour after the previous boot , finish by now ? |
| 16:11.26 | Numero-6 | journalctl -b 1 -r --no-pager -S -2h |
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| 16:18.34 | Numero-6 | i go test |
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| 17:00.45 | gebruiker | does dist-upgrading to the next stable work without breaking software? |
| 17:01.06 | gebruiker | Â /msg dpkg stretch->buster; |
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| 17:06.02 | ratrace | pops one from the stack |
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| 17:17.14 | shtrb | genevino, it depends |
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| 18:08.54 | Arrowmaster | so I know you can append + or - ot package names for apt-get install and apt-get remove to force an install or removing when using the opposite command. is there a way to do a purge instead of a remove with that method? |
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| 18:10.28 | slowly_stuck | my buster system is a xen host, and I haven't manually specified a kernel. It seems to have linux-image-4.19.0-8, -9, -14 and -16 installed, but is booting -8. Is this correct behavior, or should it be moving to newer kernels? |
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| 18:33.17 | sney | slowly_stuck: it should boot the newer kernels and the package scripts are supposed to add them to the top of the grub menu. if your bootloader is customized in any way, that might prevent this from working properly. |
| 18:36.13 | slowly_stuck | sney: thanks! I just checked my grub.cfg, looks like it should be booting a new kernel and it's just been too long since I last rebooted. Any reason the old packages are sticking around? apt-cache rdepends just shows linux-image-amd64 |
| 18:37.02 | sney | if you're using the apt-get, apt-cache etc tools then nothing will be autoremoved unless you specify it |
| 18:37.34 | sney | if you do an 'apt autoremove' now it'll probably clean up a few of those kernels |
| 18:37.34 | slowly_stuck | yep, but they don't seem eligible for autoremove either |
| 18:37.56 | slowly_stuck | autoremove finds nothing to remove. maybe I need to reboot into new kernel first? |
| 18:38.08 | sney | yeah, that may change it |
| 18:38.24 | sney | it will keep 2 of them installed at all times by default, odd that it wouldn't autoremove -9 at least |
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| 18:44.59 | DJAnonimo | hello |
| 18:45.11 | sney | hi |
| 18:45.19 | DJAnonimo | !info network-manager |
| 18:45.25 | dpkg | network-manager: (network management framework (daemon and userspace tools)), section net, is optional. Version: 1.30.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 3020 kB, Installed size: 15787 kB |
| 18:46.03 | DJAnonimo | !info network-manager Bullseye |
| 18:46.28 | DJAnonimo | !info network-manager Bookworm |
| 18:46.31 | DJAnonimo | hmm |
| 18:46.39 | sney | maybe you are asking the wrong bot |
| 18:46.44 | DJAnonimo | anyone know which network manager has debian 11? |
| 18:46.46 | sney | judd: i network-manager --release bullseye |
| 18:46.49 | judd | Package network-manager (net, optional) in bullseye/amd64: network management framework (daemon and userspace tools). Version: 1.30.0-2; Size: 2973.1k; Installed: 15210k; Homepage: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/NetworkManager |
| 18:47.01 | DJAnonimo | opa |
| 18:47.25 | sney | didn't even know dpkg could do package info |
| 18:47.44 | DJAnonimo | tnx |
| 18:47.50 | sney | np |
| 18:47.56 | DJAnonimo | where I can download raspberry pi debian image? |
| 18:48.04 | sney | raspi.debian.net |
| 18:48.33 | somiaj | dpkg does have a spam feature, so it won't create factoids quickly, also DJAnonimo you can /msg the bots as well |
| 18:48.33 | dpkg | somiaj: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 18:48.40 | DJAnonimo | nice |
| 18:49.00 | DJAnonimo | judd: i network-manager --release Bookworm |
| 18:49.01 | judd | Package network-manager (net, optional) in buster/amd64: network management framework (daemon and userspace tools). Version: 1.14.6-2+deb10u1; Size: 2316.3k; Installed: 11584k; Homepage: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/NetworkManager |
| 18:49.12 | DJAnonimo | 1.14.6 really old |
| 18:49.13 | sney | upcoming releases are not in the database yet |
| 18:49.13 | somiaj | DJAnonimo: /msg judd i network-manager .... |
| 18:49.21 | DJAnonimo | its integrated in raspbian |
| 18:49.39 | DJAnonimo | latest raspbian is debian 10 |
| 18:49.42 | sney | so that output is from buster, the current debian stable. (judd sometimes guesses or gives you the wrong output, so make sure to actually look at the reply) |
| 18:50.16 | somiaj | if you want versions, look at ,v from judd, the bot also won't give you info froma release that doesn't actually exist yet |
| 18:50.18 | sney | work has not even started on bookworm. currently, nobody knows what version it will have of anything |
| 18:50.37 | somiaj | ,v network-manager |
| 18:50.38 | judd | Package: network-manager on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.10.0-7; stretch: 1.6.2-3+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 1.14.6-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.14.6-2+deb10u1; bullseye: 1.30.0-2; sid: 1.30.0-2 |
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| 18:50.58 | DJAnonimo | debian 11 is only 353.10 MB |
| 18:51.04 | DJAnonimo | I mean for raspberry |
| 18:51.19 | DJAnonimo | ubuntu is 700MB. show is it possible ? |
| 18:51.41 | sney | what do you mean "possible"? it's right there in front of you |
| 18:52.03 | sney | read the faq on that page to understand why the images are small |
| 18:52.04 | somiaj | raspbian is not debian, so it may have diffferent versions avilable depending on their design decisions. |
| 18:52.28 | somiaj | oh talking about the image |
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| 18:53.14 | slowly_stuck | DJAnonimo: the size of the install image media is mostly a choice of which packages to bundle in |
| 18:53.32 | sney | in fact, that's what item 1 on the faq says :P |
| 18:53.59 | DJAnonimo | I see. so people built a minimal package |
| 18:54.07 | DJAnonimo | I hope it has Network manager :D |
| 18:54.23 | sney | it clearly doesn't. look, here's the link, https://raspi.debian.net/faq/ |
| 18:54.39 | sney | anything not present on the image can be installed with apt, just like on any debian system. |
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| 18:56.05 | DJAnonimo | I see |
| 18:56.16 | DJAnonimo | but I hope it can be easely installed with apt-get... |
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| 18:58.56 | somiaj | DJAnonimo: In the end you have a debian system, you can install/remove packages just like any other debian system. |
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| 18:59.54 | DJAnonimo | ok. lets see this :D |
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| 19:05.09 | DJAnonimo | its allowed to connect to ssh with ssh.txt in root dir? |
| 19:08.31 | DJAnonimo | looks like it has a different method |
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| 19:34.04 | leonardus | Network tethering via USB from my phone was working last night but now it's not, I try `ping 1.1` and I get "connect: Network is unreachable" |
| 19:34.30 | leonardus | I need the network so I can install IWD to set up wifi, how should I proceed? |
| 19:34.55 | ratrace | leonardus: how did you set up tethering? |
| 19:35.13 | leonardus | I plugged in my phone, set it to USB tethering, and it just worked |
| 19:35.35 | ratrace | so you don't know what program was used on the debian sidE? |
| 19:35.44 | leonardus | no, I don't |
| 19:35.50 | ratrace | gnome? |
| 19:35.59 | leonardus | I think it might have something to do with me adding backports, contrib, and non-free to my apt soruces.list since that's the only thing I changed |
| 19:36.03 | leonardus | ratrace: I don't have a gui installed |
| 19:36.40 | leonardus | I also updated the kernel and installed updated firmware-linux packages, but it still doesn't work when I boot into the old kernel |
| 19:37.03 | ratrace | how do you set up your network then? NetworkManager? |
| 19:37.21 | leonardus | I didn't, all I had to do was plug in my phone and I had a working internet connection |
| 19:37.54 | ratrace | I am not aware what program would do that without a full blown DE with NM and similar "consumer oriented" processes |
| 19:38.02 | sney | unplug the usb, restart your phone, enable tethering again, and try it again |
| 19:38.14 | ratrace | iirc that requires pppoe setup which ain't default |
| 19:38.26 | ratrace | and now I'm curious to know which program did the automagic |
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| 19:39.18 | sney | I think it's the phone doing the heavy lifting, address assignment etc and the usb just appears as an interface already set up. I haven't tried it though. |
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| 19:40.24 | leonardus | sney: Still nothing. It's appearing in the devices list in `ip link` but that's it |
| 19:40.34 | ratrace | sney: but the routing wouldn't work wihtout something like NM, networkd or interfaces(5) seeing the USB NIC and setting itself up |
| 19:40.44 | ratrace | I wonder if you even had network running at all |
| 19:41.02 | leonardus | ratrace: I definitely had a working connection, I installed and updated packages |
| 19:41.12 | leonardus | and my computer isn't wired with ethernet |
| 19:41.20 | ratrace | leonardus: can you pastebin the output of dmesg that appears _after_ you plug in the USB thingy and/or enable tethering? |
| 19:41.44 | ratrace | better yet, start `journalctl -f` and do the tethering dance, and pastebin the output you got, please |
| 19:41.44 | DJAnonimo | I installed debian 11 on raspberry PI. is it on network? ssh is enabled? I put the key where the FAQ says |
| 19:41.46 | leonardus | I cannot but I can take a photo of it and upload it |
| 19:41.56 | ratrace | leonardus: okay |
| 19:42.00 | ratrace | imgur is fine |
| 19:42.02 | sney | ratrace: I agree with you that it doesn't seem to make sense, but I have also seen a lot of people use it with 0 extra setup. in the installer, too. |
| 19:42.16 | sney | should probably try it to see how it works |
| 19:42.32 | tomreyn | no, pppoe isn't used then tethering through android. |
| 19:42.35 | ratrace | sney: sure, with gnome and other bloatwares with over nine thousand "configuration" processes that wait for various events, from color correction, through input, networking, stuff... |
| 19:42.58 | leonardus | dmesg https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uMdNCt49/IMG_20210502_154210.jpg |
| 19:43.06 | leonardus | journalctl https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/oAPVXmWF/IMG_20210502_154235.jpg |
| 19:43.13 | sney | ratrace: last I checked, gnome is not running in the installer. or on systems that need firmware before they can have video, or wifi. |
| 19:43.59 | ratrace | ahhh rndis_host, that's it |
| 19:44.18 | tomreyn | leonardus: broken usb wire or overloaded usb (universal serial *bus*) |
| 19:44.25 | ratrace | leonardus: can you screenshot the output of `ip a` ? |
| 19:45.13 | leonardus | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lEeODI3V/IMG_20210502_154456.jpg |
| 19:45.54 | leonardus | i plugged it into a different port and it worked |
| 19:45.54 | leonardus | huh |
| 19:46.12 | ratrace | whaddayaknow |
| 19:46.35 | leonardus | i wonder why that is |
| 19:46.53 | tomreyn | E_TOO_MANY_DEVICES |
| 19:46.59 | DJAnonimo | hmmm. I found my raspberry debian IP. which credentials it uses? With passcode it do not enter |
| 19:47.41 | sney | DJAnonimo: "How can I log in to my Raspberry remotely?" "Use SSH key-based authentication." |
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| 19:47.53 | DJAnonimo | yes |
| 19:48.02 | tomreyn | DJAnonimo: if you used some image to install, you should explain which one you used |
| 19:48.09 | DJAnonimo | I generated it and pasted in /sysconf.txt |
| 19:48.33 | DJAnonimo | https://raspi.debian.net/verified/20210408_raspi_4_bullseye.img.xz |
| 19:48.51 | sney | then it will be ssh root@your.ip.here |
| 19:49.18 | DJAnonimo | username root? |
| 19:49.41 | sney | that's what I said. |
| 19:50.06 | DJAnonimo | root@192.168.0.225's password |
| 19:50.10 | DJAnonimo | password fails |
| 19:50.21 | sney | then you did not set up key auth correctly. go read the instructions again. |
| 19:50.50 | DJAnonimo | on the desktop machine it generated a key with ending ubuntu@ubuntu |
| 19:51.28 | tomreyn | https://raspi.debian.net/defaults-and-settings/ mentions /boot/firmware/sysconf.txt but not /sysconf.txt (which you mentioned) |
| 19:51.55 | DJAnonimo | edit your Raspberryâs /boot/firmware/sysconf.txt (or just /sysconf.txt on the created imageâs first partition, |
| 19:52.01 | qrpnxz | my root password is password |
| 19:52.20 | qrpnxz | jk :^) |
| 19:52.25 | ratrace | 21:52 < qrpnxz> my root password is ******** is what I see |
| 19:52.33 | qrpnxz | classic |
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| 19:52.38 | ratrace | :) |
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| 19:52.54 | avu | hunter2? |
| 19:52.58 | qrpnxz | hahahaha |
| 19:53.03 | ratrace | sooner or later, I'm gonna exploit an irc noob like that. |
| 19:53.04 | DJAnonimo | tomreyn: there is no boot/firmware/sysconf.txt on the USB. its when logged in |
| 19:53.55 | DJAnonimo | i've copied .ssh/id_rsa.pub to root_authorized_key=... |
| 19:54.03 | DJAnonimo | like FAQ says |
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| 19:54.12 | tomreyn | DJAnonimo: i see. i've never done this, may be misinterpreting what i'm reading. maybe copy your sysconf.txt to a pastebin (replacing the root password by "PASSWORD", in case you set one) |
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| 19:57.18 | leonardus | I tried booting into the newer kernel and running iwd but it only errors, here's the systemd log: http://termbin.com/2bxj |
| 19:58.39 | DJAnonimo | maybe I found something |
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| 20:01.37 | tomreyn | leonardus: "May 02 15:54:28 city17 iwd[642]: The following options are missing in the kernel:" |
| 20:01.53 | leonardus | yeah, do I have to build my own kernel or something? |
| 20:01.54 | sney | leonardus: the kernel options it's complaining about seem to be available as modules, try e.g. 'modprobe crypto_user' etc and try to start the service again |
| 20:02.21 | sney | you can look in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/crypto for the module names |
| 20:03.09 | tomreyn | legacy crypto ftw! |
| 20:04.40 | leonardus | sney: tried modprobe with cryptd, crypto_engine, crypto_simd, and crypto_user, still nothing |
| 20:05.53 | sney | "still nothing" as in the service closes with the same error? please be specific for those of us who can't see your screen. :) |
| 20:06.03 | leonardus | yeah, same error, sorry |
| 20:06.12 | leonardus | lists the same options missing |
| 20:06.27 | leonardus | also tried modprobe ecb |
| 20:07.49 | alexrelis[m] | Do you guys think that smartly configured workspaces eliminates the need for a multi-monitor setup? |
| 20:08.12 | leonardus | depends on your work |
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| 20:08.43 | sney | leonardus: does iwd have its own log with more information than the journalctl output? if the kernel modules are loaded and it's still complaining about "missing" then it's likely something else is wrong. |
| 20:08.49 | tomreyn | leonardus / sney: kernel bug? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1924111 |
| 20:09.20 | tomreyn | leonardus: which kernel are you using there? |
| 20:09.20 | sney | tomreyn: aha, could be |
| 20:09.38 | leonardus | I am using kernel 5.10.0 |
| 20:09.46 | leonardus | my wifi driver wasn't available on the older kernel |
| 20:10.30 | tomreyn | the (redhat) bug report i posted above states the problem is introduced with linux 5.10.0 |
| 20:11.46 | leonardus | so am I just SOL |
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| 20:13.32 | sney | there's a new iwd in unstable, and I wonder if it has a fix for this |
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| 20:14.40 | sney | there's nothing about it in the changelog but it's only ~1 month old, newer than the 5.10 kernel series |
| 20:15.52 | tomreyn | which debian version are you using there, leonardus? |
| 20:15.59 | leonardus | latest |
| 20:16.05 | tomreyn | sid? |
| 20:16.09 | leonardus | buster i think |
| 20:16.13 | leonardus | yeah |
| 20:16.15 | leonardus | buster |
| 20:16.31 | tomreyn | so iwd 0.14-2 |
| 20:16.44 | sney | ,v iwd |
| 20:16.45 | judd | Package: iwd on amd64 -- buster: 0.14-2; bullseye: 1.12-1; sid: 1.13-2 |
| 20:16.45 | leonardus | correct |
| 20:16.46 | tomreyn | the redhat bug reports the problem with iwd-1.8-1 |
| 20:17.22 | tomreyn | testing has 1.12-1 |
| 20:17.40 | tomreyn | so IF you can use that, it might fix it already. |
| 20:17.55 | leonardus | ok, how do I install the package from testing? |
| 20:18.00 | sney | ,checkbackport iwd |
| 20:18.01 | judd | Backporting package iwd in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13). |
| 20:18.15 | sney | looks backportable, or you could just upgrade your system to testing |
| 20:18.44 | tomreyn | why do you need the newer kernel? |
| 20:18.52 | leonardus | I have backports in my sources.list, so do I just `apt install -t buster-backports iwd`? |
| 20:19.02 | leonardus | tomreyn: because my wifi driver isnt available in the older one |
| 20:19.05 | jordan_ | I'd like to install debian 10 on a 2013 macbook air. I need to install the wl driver to make wifi work but it's not included in the installation image and I can't use a wired connection since it doesnt have a port for it. Can someone by chance share a binary so I can use a usb-stick or has anyone a better idea how to get it? |
| 20:19.19 | sney | no, it's not in buster-backports, that reply from judd is about whether the backport can be *built* |
| 20:19.33 | tomreyn | "looks backportable" != "it has been backported" |
| 20:19.53 | leonardus | oh |
| 20:20.13 | coc0nut | running a headless debian on imac 2012 is my sollution :P |
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| 20:20.19 | coc0nut | vm |
| 20:21.23 | sney | jordan_: broadcom is a huge pain, sorry. you might have an easier time if you install from a CD1 or DVD1 iso rather than the netinstall, so you aren't stuck with a super minimal OS to work with. then you will have a toolchain for broadcom-sta-dkms etc |
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| 20:23.58 | tomreyn | leonardus: i guess you could either request the iwd backport (for a potential medium-term solution) or try to see whether you can get your wireless device (which?) working on the default kernel, or upgrade to testing, or keep using a different wireless device/chipset or ethernet connection. |
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| 20:26.49 | leonardus | I got wifi working with connman |
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| 20:29.33 | tomreyn | \o/ |
| 20:30.11 | DJAnonimo | no luck |
| 20:30.14 | DJAnonimo | tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/Ei9Fr0La |
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| 20:36.36 | tomreyn | DJAnonimo: thisseems to have DOS line endings, i'm not sure that's why, but could be, |
| 20:37.08 | tomreyn | i'm also not sure whether that's what the original file has, or just the one i downloaded off pastebin.com |
| 20:37.43 | tomreyn | hint: file sysconf.txt |
| 20:38.30 | DJAnonimo | original has root_authorized_key commented and also root_pw |
| 20:38.47 | DJAnonimo | I put my password and copied the generated key to root_authorized_key |
| 20:40.10 | jordan_ | sney: I'm just got my hands on another machine with connectivity, I'll download it there. |
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| 20:41.59 | tomreyn | DJAnonimo: the SSH key itself looks properly formatted. you have blank spaces at the end of the file. |
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| 20:44.05 | tomreyn | DJAnonimo: you don't have serial console access, do you? |
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| 20:50.39 | DJAnonimo | I have LAN and putty |
| 20:51.25 | DJAnonimo | tomreyn: where do you see blank spaces? |
| 20:51.39 | tomreyn | the last bytes on the file |
| 20:51.44 | tomreyn | what't the text editor you used to create sysconf.txt? |
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| 20:52.18 | DJAnonimo | I did not created it. I modified with notepad |
| 20:52.25 | DJAnonimo | like all other distros |
| 20:52.57 | tomreyn | all other distros? what do you mean? |
| 20:54.00 | DJAnonimo | i mean I already tried raspbian, ubuntu, lubuntu etc |
| 20:54.15 | DJAnonimo | only now have problems with debian |
| 20:54.50 | DJAnonimo | other images looking for ssh.txt file for enable ssh, and on first login it ask for new password |
| 20:55.07 | tomreyn | i haven't looked at the script which interprets the sysconf.txt file, yet, so i'm not sure whether the key did not get installed properly due to the DOS line endings you put on the file when saving it with notepad. it *could* be. |
| 20:55.10 | DJAnonimo | on raspberian root user is "pi" on ubuntu is "ubuntu" |
| 20:55.27 | tomreyn | more likely, though, you just didn't login correctly |
| 20:55.47 | tomreyn | you need to specify the secret key fiel you created when logging in, did oyu do so? |
| 20:56.56 | tomreyn | let me rephrase this: when logging in to the raspi as user root, you need to specify (to the ssh client, putty, i think you said) the secret key file you created earlier. did you do so? |
| 20:57.34 | DJAnonimo | no. im trying with the root password that is in the .txt |
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| 20:58.00 | tomreyn | which you said did not work, would it make sense to also try with the ssh key then? |
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| 20:58.19 | DJAnonimo | hmm |
| 20:58.23 | DJAnonimo | where is it located? |
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| 20:58.35 | DJAnonimo | root_authorized_key |
| 20:58.38 | DJAnonimo | this one? |
| 20:58.44 | tomreyn | wherever you stored it to when you created it. |
| 20:58.45 | DJAnonimo | i mean its result... a long key |
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| 20:59.38 | DJAnonimo | root_authorized_key is .ssh/id_rsa.pub |
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| 21:00.15 | DJAnonimo | FAQ is really bad documented. |
| 21:00.36 | tomreyn | the "ssh-rsa ..." stuff you put into sysconfig.txt is the public part of this ssh key pair. you probably created this with puttygen? a file named ".ssh/id_rsa.pub" would also be a public key. the correspoinding private key would normally be stored in ".ssh/id_rsa" then. |
| 21:01.01 | tomreyn | the user really lacks understanding of ssh public/private key authentication |
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| 21:01.38 | DJAnonimo | yea. and its not described :D |
| 21:01.45 | DJAnonimo | I used... ssh-keygen -t rsa |
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| 21:02.07 | tomreyn | on some linux system, i assume? |
| 21:02.18 | DJAnonimo | goin to regenerate the key and write down the private key |
| 21:02.27 | tomreyn | did you also specify -f there? |
| 21:02.34 | DJAnonimo | yes. on raspberry PI ubuntu 20 |
| 21:02.46 | DJAnonimo | -f ? |
| 21:03.01 | DJAnonimo | I did like this: https://wiki.debian.org/SSH#Using_shared_keys |
| 21:03.10 | tomreyn | -f let's you decide where to write the key to |
| 21:03.11 | DJAnonimo | so "ssh-keygen -t rsa" |
| 21:03.46 | tomreyn | if you don't specify -f, the key is written to the defualt location, which is ~/.ssh/id_rsa in this case |
| 21:04.06 | Peppi | does anyone know I remember seeing an interesting "command" where you can directly send output to a no paste service. Like I can do a dmesg and pipe it to a website or something and it returns the link. Does anyone know what service does this? |
| 21:04.06 | tomreyn | so this is where the private key was written, the one you'd now need to authenticate |
| 21:04.29 | DJAnonimo | ok. is more clear now. lets try |
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| 21:04.49 | tomreyn | Peppi: | nc termbin.com 9999 or | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io |
| 21:05.08 | tomreyn | or | pastebinit (after installing it) |
| 21:05.21 | Peppi | tomreyn, thanks |
| 21:05.39 | jhutchins | Peppi: I know that debian has one. |
| 21:05.46 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 21:05.46 | Peppi | so on the cli would I do "dmseg | nc termbin.com 9999" ? |
| 21:05.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 21:05.47 | tomreyn | you may wat to also redirect stderr |
| 21:06.06 | jhutchins | tomreyn: dmesg |
| 21:06.21 | tomreyn | maybe it's missing? ;-) |
| 21:07.05 | tomreyn | i think "dmesg" was provided as an example |
| 21:08.38 | jhutchins | Peppi: I'm pretty sure at least one of those last three does what you want. |
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| 21:10.27 | DJAnonimo | tomreyn: private key is really long long |
| 21:10.38 | DJAnonimo | I need to paste it as password in putty? |
| 21:10.40 | Peppi | jhutchins, ok I'll give it a try |
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| 21:16.13 | tomreyn | DJAnonimo: no. you need to configure your ssh client to use it as a private key when connecting |
| 21:18.46 | DJAnonimo | oh |
| 21:19.59 | DJAnonimo | so need to save it as a file and load in putty.... |
| 21:20.10 | DJAnonimo | Is this needed ? -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY----- |
| 21:21.14 | ratrace | DJAnonimo: btw, don't use RSA, or if you have to, make it sha256 at least |
| 21:23.53 | DJAnonimo | its look like more accessing the Pentagon that a debian pi image |
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| 21:25.02 | ratrace | security is only part of that. openssh has deprecated rss-sha1 |
| 21:25.21 | jhutchins | tomreyn: Heh, didn't even see you'd already answered him. 'scuse. |
| 21:25.54 | DJAnonimo | I found the one -----BEGIN OPENSSH PRIVATE KEY----- |
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| 21:26.52 | jhutchins | DJAnonimo: I seem to remember something about having to convert keys to or from putty. Might check the docs. |
| 21:27.35 | phogg | putty does have its own key format |
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| 21:28.10 | DJAnonimo | Unable to use key file "C:\Users\djano\Desktop\privatekey.ppk" (OpenSSH SSH-2 private key (new format)) |
| 21:28.14 | DJAnonimo | grrr |
| 21:28.29 | tomreyn | you can convert it using puttygen |
| 21:28.38 | jhutchins | Did I mention documentation? |
| 21:28.43 | DJAnonimo | :D |
| 21:28.47 | tomreyn | whats that? |
| 21:29.00 | DJAnonimo | ok. this thing is getting increadible |
| 21:29.44 | phogg | a .ppk file must be in the putty key format. Putty ships with a key generator (which should also be able to convert) |
| 21:30.04 | tomreyn | and that generator is called puttygen |
| 21:30.09 | ratrace | ditch Crapdows, install Linux proper, use ssh-keygen. :) |
| 21:30.22 | jhutchins | I used putty for a long time, but my last job I just installed VirtualBox (on the company official Win10), and I ran a Debian VM for ssh (and other stuff). |
| 21:30.28 | phogg | putty is also available on Linux. Some people seem to like it, strange though that sounds |
| 21:30.36 | ratrace | eww. |
| 21:30.39 | jhutchins | GUI |
| 21:30.40 | tomreyn | you could even install proper openssh on windows |
| 21:30.57 | ratrace | but... Crapdows.... |
| 21:31.00 | tomreyn | but it "lacks" a GUI |
| 21:31.05 | DJAnonimo | I've imported it |
| 21:31.05 | jhutchins | Kids these days! Anything not GUI is no good (and probably dangerous). |
| 21:31.52 | DJAnonimo | wow. Im in |
| 21:31.53 | DJAnonimo | hahaha |
| 21:31.56 | DJAnonimo | incredible |
| 21:32.06 | DJAnonimo | thank you tomreyn |
| 21:32.17 | ratrace | GUI is very muchneeded. It's literally impossible to use openss-cli! `ssh-keygen -t ed25519` is very hard to type. |
| 21:32.53 | another| | ratrace: i bet you copy-pasted that one |
| 21:33.00 | another| | since you couldn't type it |
| 21:33.39 | phogg | putty is one of the few terminal emulators which is fully configurable from the GUI. Not using X resources feels weird to me, but I suppose some find the alternative appealing. |
| 21:33.48 | ratrace | another|: I copied it from a youtube vid! |
| 21:34.14 | another| | i knew it! |
| 21:34.36 | tomreyn | youtube is outdated, you should use instagram videos only! |
| 21:36.13 | another| | last time i checked, IG wants me to login. seems not to work w/o account anymore |
| 21:36.43 | another| | and btw: the cool kids are on tiktok now AFAIK |
| 21:37.18 | jhutchins | I have actually run into a few Linux users who just WON'T use the command line. |
| 21:37.50 | dvs | ??? |
| 21:38.04 | jhutchins | I grew up using consoles and terminals, one of the reaons I love Kinux is the shell! |
| 21:38.16 | ratrace | jhutchins: so they reinstall when their ubuntu breaks and requires cli to fix? =) |
| 21:38.32 | dvs | That's what I'm thinking |
| 21:38.39 | jhutchins | I imagine so. |
| 21:38.40 | DJAnonimo | hmmm |
| 21:38.41 | DJAnonimo | E: Unable to locate package net-tools |
| 21:38.50 | DJAnonimo | apt-get do not find packets |
| 21:39.01 | DJAnonimo | I need to add a valid sources.list ? |
| 21:39.04 | jhutchins | ,v net-tools |
| 21:39.05 | judd | Package: net-tools on amd64 -- jessie: 1.60-26+b1; stretch: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1; buster: 1.60+git20180626.aebd88e-1; bullseye: 1.60+git20181103.0eebece-1; sid: 1.60+git20181103.0eebece-1 |
| 21:39.40 | jhutchins | net-tools should be in Main. |
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| 21:39.54 | DJAnonimo | I have this... deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-backports main contrib non-free |
| 21:40.06 | dvs | !buster sources.list |
| 21:40.06 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:40.08 | DJAnonimo | I have internet access |
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| 21:40.22 | jhutchins | DJAnonimo: It's not in backports. |
| 21:41.59 | DJAnonimo | I see |
| 21:43.21 | jmcnaught | !net-tools |
| 21:43.21 | dpkg | The net-tools package (including ifconfig, netstat and route commands) is optional starting with stretch. See https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#iproute2 for a quick ref sheet -- users are encouraged to use those iproute2 commands (ip, ss) instead. |
| 21:46.49 | ratrace | there is also no bullseye-backports at this time |
| 21:47.57 | DJAnonimo | i've added sources but again E: Unable to locate package net-tools |
| 21:48.32 | another| | apt update |
| 21:48.32 | apt | i guess update is to refresh the mirrors |
| 21:48.42 | DJAnonimo | oh |
| 21:48.44 | DJAnonimo | right X) |
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| 21:49.21 | DJAnonimo | works. thank you another| |
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| 21:53.27 | tomreyn | DJAnonimo: note the "Failed tests" for the Debian "testing" (bullseye, version 11) image you chose to download (20210408_raspi_4_bullseye.img.xz) at https://raspi.debian.net/tested-images/ |
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| 21:55.50 | jhutchins | DJAnonimo: Just think how good you'll be at this in twenty years. |
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| 21:56.56 | DJAnonimo | Serial console gets corrupted â¹ not usable. |
| 21:57.00 | DJAnonimo | this failed |
| 21:58.37 | DJAnonimo | how to get vi editor in color and like ubuntu has to show when INSERT/REPLACE mode |
| 21:58.46 | DJAnonimo | its completelly different in debian... |
| 21:59.12 | cws | DJAnonimo: Unless you have something that depends on net-tools, you REALLY should learn the new iproute2 commands. |
| 21:59.37 | another| | "new" |
| 21:59.47 | cws | Heh, true. |
| 21:59.55 | cws | The "over a decade old" new commands. |
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| 22:01.02 | jhutchins | DJAnonimo: vi is a little picky of when it shows color. |
| 22:01.44 | DJAnonimo | well I need them for scripts X) |
| 22:01.52 | DJAnonimo | hard to look in a script if no colors |
| 22:02.24 | cws | No it isn't. |
| 22:02.40 | DJAnonimo | !curl |
| 22:02.40 | dpkg | cURL is a command line tool for transferring files with URL syntax, supporting FTP, FTPS, HTTP, HTTPS, TFTP, Telnet, DICT, FILE and LDAP. Supports HTTPS certificates, HTTP POST, HTTP PUT, FTP uploading, Kerberos, HTTP form based upload, proxies, cookies, user+password authentication, file transfer resume, HTTP proxy tunneling. http://curl.haxx.se/ #curl on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:03.13 | jhutchins | DJAnonimo: Try looking at a COBOL program on 17" greenbar. |
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| 22:03.34 | DJAnonimo | hehe |
| 22:03.38 | phogg | a decade? Try two |
| 22:04.10 | jmcnaught | DJAnonimo: you are probably using vim-tiny, try vim or vim-nox packages instead ("apt show vim-nox" to see descriptions) |
| 22:04.58 | DJAnonimo | Version: 2:8.2.2434-3 |
| 22:05.13 | genevino | vim-nox should do |
| 22:05.21 | DJAnonimo | it will replace vi ? |
| 22:05.34 | DJAnonimo | I mean if installed with apt-het |
| 22:06.08 | genevino | i think that vim will be used if you type vi on most computers these days, do you really need the "old" one? |
| 22:06.26 | jmcnaught | It will replace vi if you install vim-nox or one of the others. This is configurable through Debian's alternatives system (see for example "update-alternatives --display vi") |
| 22:06.45 | DJAnonimo | ok. i dont know. I will try |
| 22:07.38 | DJAnonimo | vim (source: vim): Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor. In component main, is optional. Version 2:7.4.1689-3ubuntu1.5 (xenial), package size 1011 kB, installed size 2404 kB |
| 22:07.43 | jhutchins | Yes, I don't know of any Distros that actually offer true vi. vim-minimal is pretty close, and most install at least that. |
| 22:07.45 | DJAnonimo | this says ubuntu boot |
| 22:08.51 | genevino | jhutchins: most of the BSDs still ship the old one as "vi", i believe for compatibility reasons, but on the other hand most people i know use something like "alias vi=vim" in their shell startup files. |
| 22:09.00 | jmcnaught | vim-tiny, vim, vim-nox are all the same version of vim compiled with different options. There are other vis too like nvi and neovim. |
| 22:09.25 | tomreyn | DJAnonimo: on a side note: make sure you install a non-entirely-broken text editor on windows (such as "notepad++") before you ever edit debian or any linux or unix-like systesm' configuration files there again. |
| 22:09.36 | tomreyn | "notepad" breaks those |
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| 22:11.04 | DJAnonimo | I dont do it anymore |
| 22:11.06 | DJAnonimo | Im in ssh :) |
| 22:11.50 | tomreyn | yes, you'r ein a better world now. |
| 22:12.47 | DJAnonimo | now hard part will be compile ffmpeg |
| 22:12.54 | DJAnonimo | its easy in ubuntu 20 |
| 22:13.10 | DJAnonimo | but as its debian minimal maybe there will be a lot of missing packages |
| 22:14.30 | jhutchins | tomreyn: Curiously, RedHat's Satellite uses Windows formatting, and breaks bash. |
| 22:14.43 | jmcnaught | ,arches ffmpeg |
| 22:14.44 | judd | Package ffmpeg in buster: amd64 (7:4.1.6-1~deb10u1), arm64 (7:4.1.6-1~deb10u1), armel (7:4.1.6-1~deb10u1), armhf (7:4.1.6-1~deb10u1), i386 (7:4.1.6-1~deb10u1), mips (7:4.1.6-1~deb10u1), mips64el (7:4.1.6-1~deb10u1), mipsel (7:4.1.6-1~deb10u1), ppc64el (7:4.1.6-1~deb10u1), s390x (7:4.1.6-1~deb10u1) |
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| 22:15.26 | jmcnaught | DJAnonimo: if you have a correctly configured sources.list you should be able to simply "apt install ffmpeg" |
| 22:15.27 | DJAnonimo | needs to be compiled with fdk aac codec |
| 22:17.23 | DJAnonimo | rc.local do not exist, is it ok to create a file and chmod +x ? |
| 22:18.04 | jmcnaught | !rc.local |
| 22:18.04 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch or newer you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd> |
| 22:18.33 | tomreyn | jhutchins: that's certainly a feature! |
| 22:19.28 | cws | DJAnonimo: Write a systemd unit. It's simple. |
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| 22:20.37 | jmcnaught | DJAnonimo: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd/Services |
| 22:22.58 | DJAnonimo | I see |
| 22:23.11 | DJAnonimo | how to list audio devices? alsa is not installed as a minimal package |
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| 22:25.14 | jhutchins | tomreyn: The longer I follow Red Hat, the more I believe that they think Linux is just a utility to be used by Windows. I'm not sure they believe that anybody actually runs it as their only OS. |
| 22:25.42 | jmcnaught | DJAnonimo: install the alsa-utils package |
| 22:25.53 | tomreyn | jhutchins: of course not, you'd want a proper linux as well. |
| 22:26.36 | tomreyn | "satellite" is really a misnomer, though, the more correct depiction would be https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/southpark/images/4/48/SouthPark101.gif |
| 22:26.37 | DJAnonimo | anyone knows why when I disconnect wifi i get a lag.... 64 bytes from iskonweb-l.iskon.hr (213.191.133.163): icmp_seq=67 ttl=56 time=1030 ms |
| 22:26.55 | jhutchins | tomreyn: Oh, yeah, no Microsoft products in house here, and when I get job offers that include IIS or Windows administration I patiently explain that my windows knowledge is ca 2001. |
| 22:28.26 | jhutchins | Heh. No, I actually got pretty good with it, and if you gotta run RedHat it's definitely worth having. (Not considering cost/benefit) |
| 22:28.27 | tomreyn | jhutchins: and they respond with "ah, as long as you can do AD that's ok" ;-) |
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| 22:29.14 | jhutchins | tomreyn: We don't get that far. My response usually includes several other "no" points. |
| 22:29.42 | tomreyn | :) |
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| 22:30.48 | jhutchins | Yes, I don't know of any Distros that actually offer true vi. vim-minimal is pretty close, and most install at least that.. |
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| 22:30.52 | DJAnonimo | !pulseaudio |
| 22:30.52 | dpkg | PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0 "Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 . https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:31.03 | jhutchins | Sorry. drifting pretty far OT. |
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| 22:33.47 | tomreyn | so did i, sorry. |
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| 22:37.18 | somiaj | DJAnonimo: as mentioned before, /msg the bot |
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| 22:38.51 | DJAnonimo | !lsusb |
| 22:39.05 | sney | !tell DJAnonimo about msg the bot |
| 22:39.25 | sney | you can reply to that message from dpkg |
| 22:39.32 | DJAnonimo | i see |
| 22:39.35 | DJAnonimo | tnx |
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| 23:27.54 | Budd | I'm experimenting with systemd-networkd, which seems to work well for my purposes. It's recommended to rename /etc/network/interfaces to disable the other system - but what is the other system (what package)? |
| 23:28.08 | sney | ifupdown |
| 23:29.22 | Budd | thanks - and does that run separately from systemd, or can I 'systemctl disable' it ? |
| 23:29.56 | sney | not sure, it predates systemd. I think it's tied to the 'networking' service |
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| 23:31.03 | Budd | OK. I find the ecosystem of network-helpers very confusing. |
| 23:31.48 | sney | ok, yes, networking.service on this system has ExecStart=/sbin/ifup -a --read-environment |
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| 23:32.16 | sney | and agreed, there's a lot of legacy gunk and inconsistency. hopefully systemd-networkd helps to clean that up. |
| 23:33.34 | Budd | It seems one of the cleaner designs so far, especially for my use case of "set up IBSS w/static IPv6 and leave it alone". |
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| 23:35.26 | Budd | A long time ago, I abused rc.local to do manual setup with one hand while fighting off the helpful system services with the other :( |
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| 23:39.53 | sussudio | systemd making something better... that'll be a first. |
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| 23:45.36 | horribleprogram | Best open source disk encryption application |
| 23:45.45 | horribleprogram | I see TrueCrypt? |
| 23:45.56 | horribleprogram | wondering if y'all dealt with this |
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| 23:46.38 | horribleprogram | a lot of them are discountinued... is this a dead thing? |
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| 23:49.46 | ryouma | debian seems to use luks in the installer. some fses have encryption. |
| 23:51.38 | alex11 | first of all, 'best' is relative |
| 23:51.45 | horribleprogram | https://github.com/libyal/libluksde? |
| 23:51.47 | horribleprogram | yeah |
| 23:51.50 | horribleprogram | what I mean by best |
| 23:51.50 | alex11 | second of all, as mentioned, debian has its own native thing to begin with |
| 23:52.03 | horribleprogram | is like... widely used, secure, open-source |
| 23:52.12 | horribleprogram | maintained, etc |
| 23:52.22 | alex11 | i mean for debian, probably luks |
| 23:52.45 | alex11 | but i also don't know too much about all this |
| 23:52.51 | cws | horribleprogram: truecrypt should not be used. For Debian or nearly any Linux platform, LUKS. |
| 23:53.04 | horribleprogram | can u link the repo? |
| 23:53.07 | horribleprogram | I can't find it |
| 23:53.08 | abrotman | FWIW truecrypt hasn't had an update in 5+ yeras |
| 23:53.30 | cws | It's not a repo. It's a built-in function. |
| 23:53.53 | horribleprogram | :/ |
| 23:54.47 | ryouma | it is a package |
| 23:55.21 | cws | cryptsetup is, but dm-crypt uses the kernel's crypto API. |
| 23:55.38 | ryouma | ok |
| 23:56.11 | horribleprogram | yeah found it |
| 23:56.11 | horribleprogram | https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup |
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| 23:56.38 | horribleprogram | ty guys |
| 23:57.00 | cws | horribleprogram: That's not an application on its own. |
| 23:57.13 | cws | As in "cryptsetup" doesn't encrypt anything. |
| 23:57.21 | yanmaani | LUKS is the gold standard |
| 23:57.43 | yanmaani | security is good for both, encryption is basically a solved problem |
| 23:57.45 | cws | horribleprogram: What are you actually trying to accomplish, here? |
| 23:57.47 | yanmaani | truecrypt isn't maintained |
| 23:57.48 | alex11 | does zfs do encryption? |
| 23:58.07 | yanmaani | veracrypt is probably OK, but windows only |
| 23:58.31 | horribleprogram | cws: I have a feeling the FBI is going to raid my electronics in the near future |
| 23:58.32 | alex11 | the short answer is still luks, of course, but some people do prefer zfs as a filesystem |
| 23:58.40 | cws | horribleprogram: Then nothing you're doing is going to help you. |
| 23:58.46 | horribleprogram | what do i do then? |
| 23:58.51 | cws | Call a lawyer. |
| 23:58.56 | horribleprogram | I'm joking lol |
| 23:58.59 | horribleprogram | :P |
| 23:59.37 | cws | yanmaani: Veracrypt is not Windows only. |
