| 00:00.10 | horribleprogram | ill check out Veracrypt if it works for Deb |
| 00:00.12 | yanmaani | cws: Sure, but on Linux you have better developed options |
| 00:00.20 | alex11 | afaik though you can't just encrypt a drive once you've already installed it, you have to select it in the installer first; you can't just encrypt a computer that's already been in use |
| 00:00.22 | yanmaani | both vera and luks are gonna be fine tho |
| 00:00.32 | cws | Sure, but while that may be true, saying that vera is Windows only is incorrect. |
| 00:00.37 | yanmaani | alex11: I know TC on windows could encrypt while the system was running |
| 00:00.42 | alex11 | i worded that badly but i hope it's understood what i meant |
| 00:00.50 | yanmaani | cws: No, in practice, veracrypt is windows-only, nobody uses it on linux |
| 00:00.55 | cws | "nobody" |
| 00:01.01 | yanmaani | there might be a linux port, though |
| 00:01.02 | cws | yanmaani: Speaking in absolutes is a bad plan. Don't. |
| 00:01.15 | cws | yanmaani: They provide a .deb right alongside every other download. |
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| 00:01.40 | yanmaani | horribleprogram: keep in mind FDE only covers data at rest :) |
| 00:01.41 | cws | https://veracrypt.fr/en/Downloads.html |
| 00:01.53 | ryouma | you do not need the installer to make a drive work with luks |
| 00:01.54 | cws | yanmaani: Please verify the accuracy of what you're saying before spouting nonsense, okay? |
| 00:02.17 | cws | ryouma: It's a pain to convert a system to LUKS after the fact, though. External storage, sure. |
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| 00:03.15 | horribleprogram | I'm not using FDE |
| 00:03.19 | horribleprogram | wait yes I am |
| 00:03.21 | horribleprogram | yeah |
| 00:03.49 | DJAnonimo | I've installed pulseaudio on ubuntu minimal... when i try to run it it says server-lookup.c: Unable to contact D-Bus: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NotSupported: Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11 |
| 00:03.55 | horribleprogram | ty |
| 00:04.05 | sney | DJAnonimo: wrong window, you want #ubuntu |
| 00:04.12 | DJAnonimo | lol |
| 00:04.13 | DJAnonimo | sorry |
| 00:04.16 | DJAnonimo | debian minimal |
| 00:04.17 | somiaj | DJAnonimo: "ubuntu minimial?" -- please stick to asking only about debian here |
| 00:04.18 | DJAnonimo | not ubuntu :D |
| 00:04.56 | DJAnonimo | also it do not list the inputs... |
| 00:05.05 | DJAnonimo | lsusb shows USB soundcard |
| 00:05.17 | DJAnonimo | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:0043 C-Media Electronics, Inc. USB Advanced Audio Device |
| 00:05.44 | somiaj | DJAnonimo: the error seems to suggest you are trying to run this without running xorg? |
| 00:07.03 | DJAnonimo | I dont need UI |
| 00:07.13 | DJAnonimo | pulseaudio is only for UI? |
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| 00:07.45 | somiaj | It appears you need to run dbus in a cli/screen mode. |
| 00:08.34 | DJAnonimo | hmm |
| 00:08.39 | DJAnonimo | what does it mean? |
| 00:09.43 | somiaj | I'm not finding any clear suggestions in google, but by default dbus-daemon won't autoluanch unless you are in xorg. You might be able to just manually run dbus first. Though I am unsure on the exact details |
| 00:11.03 | DJAnonimo | i'm goin to try with alsa to see if it will detect the soundcards |
| 00:11.18 | somiaj | https://pulseaudio-discuss.freedesktop.narkive.com/WuokPCmL/running-pulseaudio-without-x11 -- I found that if you really want pulse. |
| 00:11.38 | somiaj | DJAnonimo: Pulse runs on top of alsa, so pulse only sees cards alsa sees. |
| 00:12.23 | sney | afaik pipewire is supposed to have a pulse-like interface for applications without all of pulse's components/dependencies |
| 00:14.26 | DJAnonimo | hmm |
| 00:14.27 | DJAnonimo | -bash: dbus-launch: command not found |
| 00:14.32 | another| | ,v pipewire |
| 00:14.35 | judd | Package: pipewire on amd64 -- buster: 0.2.5-1; bullseye: 0.3.19-4; sid: 0.3.19-4; experimental: 0.3.25-1 |
| 00:14.52 | somiaj | anyways, I would just use alsa, unless you really need some of pulses features |
| 00:15.21 | sney | ^ if you are running a single sound source to a single output device, pulse is not needed |
| 00:15.23 | DJAnonimo | i never get work pulse as audio input in ffmpeg. I dont know why |
| 00:15.39 | DJAnonimo | I just installed debian 11 and would like to see if it will detect pulse inputs |
| 00:16.22 | DJAnonimo | whan I want is to input audio in ffmpeg and also in the same time playing on the same soundcard with ffplay |
| 00:16.36 | DJAnonimo | ffplay by default play on pulse default output |
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| 00:19.45 | somiaj | well it appears that you are going to have to do some research to bet dbus and pulse running without xorg. I also saw a situation of running a framebuffer xorg. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/105964/launch-a-fake-minimal-x-session-for-pulseaudio-dbus -- though you should probably do this research yourself and figure out which option best suits your needs |
| 00:20.04 | somiaj | but seems debian has it setup that by default dbus will only launch inside of xorg. |
| 00:20.24 | DJAnonimo | huh |
| 00:20.43 | qrpnxz | i got dbus on wayland. dunno where you got that from |
| 00:20.49 | qrpnxz | don't see any reason that should be the case |
| 00:21.19 | somiaj | qrpnxz: yea, should have said xorg/wayland, but in this case wasn't important since it is a headless server. |
| 00:22.04 | qrpnxz | systemd uses dbus for a lot, so i reckon it runs whether you are graphical or not |
| 00:22.43 | somiaj | qrpnxz: "Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11" -- I haven't looked into it, but that error seems to suggest it is needed for some things |
| 00:23.48 | qrpnxz | only thing called x11 running on my sys is /usr/libexec/ibus-x11 idk |
| 00:24.18 | qrpnxz | which reminds me, it's annoying that dbus-broker depends on dbus |
| 00:24.25 | somiaj | I could be not correctly identifying what is wrong, but there are other posts on google about issues with pulse and dbus on a headless machine. |
| 00:24.45 | somiaj | maybe only some features of dbus are avilable without xorg/waylend by default. |
| 00:25.16 | sney | maybe gdm3 or $display-manager handles starting dbus in non-X environments |
| 00:28.48 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=690530 |
| 00:28.49 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/690530 in dbus (closed): «dbus: Unable to launch DBus services without X11 running»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-10-15; last modified: 2012-11-13. |
| 00:29.29 | somiaj | "This is not considered to be a bug. Auto-launching D-Bus sessions when not under X11 would result in one new D-Bus session per application that tried to use it, unable to communicate with other user-facing applications that do not share that session;" |
| 00:30.02 | somiaj | So that is what is happeneing, it appears one can manually run dbus-daemon for just pulse, but could take some work. |
| 00:31.10 | jmcnaught | Would "systemctl --user start dbus" work? There is a user service unit at /lib/systemd/user/dbus.service |
| 00:31.45 | jmcnaught | DJAnonimo: is dbus even installed? |
| 00:33.37 | DJAnonimo | dbus-daemon |
| 00:33.39 | DJAnonimo | I see it |
| 00:33.55 | DJAnonimo | D-Bus Message Bus Daemon 1.12.20 |
| 00:34.41 | somiaj | anyways, that bug report has a solution |
| 00:35.49 | somiaj | though that bug report also states that pulseaudio treats that as a warning and not an error and just disable's dbus functionality, so maybe this is just a non issue for DJAnonimo, and just a wanring |
| 00:36.15 | somiaj | though it is also an older bug, 2012, maybe pulseaudio has changed and no longer runs without dbus |
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| 00:36.49 | jmcnaught | Things might have changed since the introduction of systemd and its user service manager |
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| 00:40.06 | alex11 | can i stop getting the output from needrestart popping up on xfce4's notification area? |
| 00:40.44 | DJAnonimo | which package I need to install for alsa? |
| 00:40.55 | DJAnonimo | "apt-get install alsa-tools" is installed |
| 00:41.13 | sney | alsa is the sound drivers in the linux kernel, it is built in to your system |
| 00:42.26 | jmcnaught | DJAnonimo: you probably want alsa-utils instead of alsa-tools. If you read the description of alsa-tools it says it is for specific hardware. |
| 00:43.19 | DJAnonimo | yea. thank you |
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| 00:52.37 | DJAnonimo | alsa works |
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| 01:20.56 | ASDX | what's the easiest way to upgrade debian with security updates only (manually)? |
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| 01:21.23 | somiaj | ASDX: apt update && apt upgrade (if running debian stable security updates are all you get) |
| 01:21.42 | somiaj | I guess at point release you get some bugfixes, but in general you should upgrade everyting on debian stable. |
| 01:22.13 | cws | ASDX: Don't pick and choose updates. Just update the whole system. |
| 01:22.52 | ASDX | eill probably do point release update, but how do i check if the security updates are the only updates i get or not (unlikely) |
| 01:23.01 | ASDX | cws: makes sense, will do |
| 01:23.18 | somiaj | The only updates debian provides outside of point releases are security updates. |
| 01:23.23 | somiaj | *debian stable |
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| 01:24.02 | somiaj | Now if you are mixing repos, this is another issue altogether. Though note you might want to disable the proposed-updates repo and just wait until they make it to the point relase |
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| 01:30.43 | ASDX | somiaj: for my reference, are the configured updates purely confirmed by checking /etc/apt/sources.list? does the proposed-updates repo contain "proposed" in its name? |
| 01:31.21 | ASDX | oh, looks like the poposed ones are "buster/updates" as can see a comment above saying it was previously known as 'volatile' |
| 01:31.38 | sney | nope, buster-proposed-updates is a separate repo |
| 01:31.40 | somiaj | ASDX: yes, though Iw as thinking of buster-updates, there is also buster-proposed-updates |
| 01:31.51 | sney | !proposed updates |
| 01:31.51 | somiaj | note buster-updates and buster/updates are two drastically different repos |
| 01:31.52 | dpkg | stable-proposed-updates is a repository containing packages being prepared for the next <point release>. While they have already been, your additional testing is most welcome prior to wider release. http://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates http://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/stable.html . See also <oldstable-proposed-updates>, <testing-proposed-updates>. |
| 01:32.34 | somiaj | If you only want to wait for point releases to get non-security updates, just have the main repo debian, and the security repo debian/updates and update the full system |
| 01:32.45 | ASDX | thanks, glad to have the distinction explained |
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| 01:43.24 | ASDX | so i see buster-updates is "stable" & mainly security updates (https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates) but can't see much on buster/updates (the URL has 'security' in its name though? |
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| 01:44.37 | somiaj | buster/updates is the secuirty repo at security.debian.org |
| 01:45.25 | somiaj | buster-updates provides a method to get certain point release fixes to users faster, though is only used in rare cirucumstances |
| 01:45.53 | somiaj | so having buster-updates in your sources.list won't bring in stuff, ocassionally you'll get updates before the point release. |
| 01:46.32 | somiaj | though you should upgrade at the point release for all the fixes that are sever enough that debian is actually updating the package. In general debian only upgrades packages in the most sever situations (security and some rc-bugs) |
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| 01:55.43 | ASDX | why is buster-updates only used in rare circumstances? looks like it's enabled by default when comparing a few installs, so you're saying the repo rarely gets updates? |
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| 01:57.14 | somiaj | In general debian provides non-security updates at point releases, that is only used in cases they think it would be useful to get the fix to users eariler than a point release |
| 01:57.53 | somiaj | which in my experience isn't that often, the reason it is enabled by default is because that ensure that if they put something there in the case they need to get a fix out before a point-release, it will be avaible to most people |
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| 02:14.29 | ASDX | so with the out-of-the-box sources.lst, " apt update && apt upgrade" would update to a point release along with any urgent security fixes that may or not may have not been released since the latest point release? |
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| 02:14.57 | sney | yes |
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| 02:25.20 | ASDX | it's a bit confusing with buster/updates pointing to a repo containing "security" to look at that and think of as providing the point release only (can't seem to find an equivalent to https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates for that)? |
| 02:25.51 | cws | ASDX: It doesn't provide point releases only. Just *update your system*. |
| 02:25.59 | cws | You are MASSIVELY overthinking this. |
| 02:29.00 | somiaj | ASDX: point realse don't come from debian/updates, only seuciryt fixes come from there. At point releases all security fixes get coppied over to the main repo. Point release also contain other non-security fixes. |
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| 02:29.39 | ryouma | you can probably ignore point releases for the purpose of upgrading an existing system |
| 02:30.25 | somiaj | ryouma: I wouldn't go that far, point release often come with a fair number of non security fixes. |
| 02:31.14 | ryouma | but you can just upgrade and get them available, right? |
| 02:31.44 | somiaj | you don't have to do anything special to get them yes, just upgrade after a point release. |
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| 02:32.09 | ryouma | ASDX: if somiaj says something and i say somehting, listen to somiaj. but i was referring to, if you get the notice about point releases on a mailing list. |
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| 02:32.59 | somiaj | I could have just missunderstood you. But yes in debian just update regurally, you will get both security fixes and at point release additional bug fixes. |
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| 02:35.53 | somiaj | ASDX: what is your end goal? Just realize a debian stable release is a mostly frozen release that only gets security fixes and grave bug fixes, which come from two different sources, security fixes come as soon as they are ready via buster/updates and non-security fixes come about every 3 months via point releases. |
| 02:36.29 | somiaj | But as a user, just update regulrally and often and you'll get them all. Don't try to pick and choose upgrades. |
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| 02:51.28 | ASDX | noted re not picking and choosing. am trying to factor in best practice for servers without risking breaking anything running |
| 02:52.11 | cws | ASDX: You install all available updates. That's how. That IS the best practice. |
| 02:52.20 | somiaj | I use unatteneded-upgrades on my servers, and let upgrades happen automatically. |
| 02:52.58 | somiaj | rarely regressions happen, but I wouldn't let this possiblity keep you from upgrading. |
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| 02:55.52 | sney | I have APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; and APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "1"; set (via a file in apt.conf.d) on my remote machines, and nagios informs me if they have updates pending. so I can run the upgrade itself manually and make sure there isn't anything that needs my attention. |
| 02:56.41 | sney | similar options can be used to automate the whole process; see the comments in /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily |
| 03:00.29 | ASDX | would you say there would be much risk updating servers from 10.[4-6] with a single "apt update && apt upgrade"? |
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| 03:01.29 | sney | probably not, but if you're worried you can skim the announcements for those point releases to see if there are any notes that affect your system(s) |
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| 03:48.20 | alex11 | is transferring my install from one hard drive to another as simple as rsync + editing /etc/fstab? |
| 03:48.32 | alex11 | or are there instructions on properly doing that? |
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| 04:02.09 | ryouma | idk where there are instructions, but htere are various thing syou need to watch for |
| 04:02.14 | nkuttler | alex11: the new disk will be in the same computer? |
| 04:03.03 | nkuttler | tbh, i'd always reinstall. in my experience it's just faster hand hassle-free |
| 04:03.32 | ryouma | zeroing mtab is recommended sometimes. and you hafe to do trickiness to persuiade upgrades not to screw up grub. and you need tricikiness to install grub int he first place. |
| 04:04.05 | ryouma | i have accessibility issues with installation so i created a shell script basically to do everything needed to transfer the installation |
| 04:04.21 | ryouma | so all i do is run it and then i am done |
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| 04:04.37 | ryouma | but it isn't sharable has too many personalizations and private settings |
| 04:04.42 | nkuttler | you can't do a remote install? |
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| 04:04.51 | nkuttler | or install from an existing os? |
| 04:05.23 | ryouma | i don't know much about things like debootstrap. in principle such thing smight be possible in some cases. |
| 04:05.37 | ryouma | however, installations require fixing lots of things and making decisions |
| 04:06.20 | ryouma | for example, you have to make accounts, and set up crontabs, and all sorts of little gotchas there. i suppose that could be a script. but i prefer to iknow that what i am doing is exactly what i am doing. |
| 04:07.24 | ryouma | you have to answer all sorts of questions you have not answered since the last time you installed for example. and at least with regular installation you can't really use your computer normally. |
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| 04:08.14 | ryouma | all your accessibility settings, your emacs config, your whatever, are not reallyavailable to you, and you have sucky console (idk about gui install) |
| 04:08.51 | jmcnaught | alex11: are you using LVM? |
| 04:09.18 | alex11 | no |
| 04:10.54 | nkuttler | ryouma: fwiw, you might want to look into config management tools instead of writing shell scripts |
| 04:11.28 | ryouma | yeah it's an alternative to try to automate installation. i am not confident of that, because it would be a lot of effort for me and idk what the gotchas are. |
| 04:11.36 | alex11 | 'fresh install' and then restoring /home and /etc is probably indeed the simplestr |
| 04:11.37 | alex11 | simplest |
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| 04:12.18 | alex11 | it's just that people make it sound so simple - transferring installs - and i don't feel like it is |
| 04:12.27 | alex11 | i have to read up about all that stuff |
| 04:13.32 | ryouma | for me it is better to transfer, but those who are really familiar with debootstrap and preconfiguring debconf and using configuration management tools would find it better to install, is my impression |
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| 04:14.40 | ryouma | rsync and fstab are at the core of it but you also need chroot to install grub and you need to ensure the next version of grub won't go looking for the mbr on a different device. idr the details. |
| 04:16.01 | ryouma | if you can install with no real trouble, you will get hw compatibility taken care of by the installer. if you transfer to a new machine, you might need microcode or drivers for x or sound. |
| 04:16.03 | alex11 | chroot scares me and it shouldn't |
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| 04:16.31 | ryouma | it did me too at first |
| 04:16.36 | ryouma | ,chroot |
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| 04:18.42 | ryouma | actually i think i don't have to edit debconf. i just have the script run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
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| 04:18.59 | ryouma | inside a chroot that has sys proc dev |
| 04:19.10 | alex11 | screw this i'm going back to windows :P |
| 04:19.22 | alex11 | i'm joking, i wouldn't be caught dead using that |
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| 04:49.29 | alkisg | alex11, "dd /dev/sda /dev/sdb" clones a disk; while with rsync or cp, you'll need to also run `grub-install`. I use it all the time for schools, installing a school server is 2-3 commands and 5 minutes of waiting... |
| 04:50.31 | alex11 | how much does it clone? |
| 04:51.02 | alkisg | Which one, the dd? Unless you specify a count, it clones until the length of sda |
| 04:51.47 | alkisg | If sdb is smaller, you can either shrink sda with gparted, or clone disks with gparted itself |
| 04:51.57 | alkisg | Right click copy, right click paste... |
| 04:52.27 | ryouma | dd will screw up your /dev/disk stuff i think |
| 04:52.32 | ryouma | i.e. you get dups |
| 04:52.50 | alkisg | dups of what, files? No, dd clones at the block level, it doesn't produce duplicates |
| 04:52.58 | ryouma | right that is the problem |
| 04:53.09 | ryouma | your fs id and stuff) |
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| 04:53.44 | ryouma | if you don't mind having same id's you're ok though presumably e.g. if it is a totally different machine |
| 04:53.53 | alkisg | If uuids are changed, then /etc/fstab and grub need to be updated; that's why dd is simpler there, because it avoids these; with the restriction that you shouldn't use both the source and target disk at the same computer |
| 04:54.26 | alkisg | And of course uuids can be changed with tune2fs |
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| 04:56.31 | ryouma | sure |
| 04:57.19 | ryouma | but rsync is idempotent/incremental |
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| 04:58.37 | alkisg | dd is idempotent as well, and it can be incremental if one uses skip= |
| 04:58.54 | Peppi | hello |
| 04:59.08 | ryouma | if you go oh i forgot this, then you need the incremental thing to work at the fs level not the block level |
| 04:59.09 | alkisg | ...unless you mean "clone twice over the same target disk"; no dd isn't incremental that way |
| 04:59.12 | ryouma | or else update both |
| 04:59.42 | Peppi | not sure if this is a raspberry pi thing but when is /etc/rc.local run? Is it on boot or when someone logs into the machine? |
| 04:59.49 | alkisg | You can use rsync after dd if you forgot a file... or just cp... |
| 05:00.27 | alkisg | Peppi: /etc/rc.local is deprecated, things have moved on to systemd services; but it's on boot, not on login |
| 05:01.16 | Peppi | ohh ok this threw me off: This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel. |
| 05:01.38 | Peppi | I wasn't sure if it meant when people log in |
| 05:01.59 | Peppi | alkisg, I'm trying to do this: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/96606/make-iw-wlan0-set-power-save-off-permanent |
| 05:01.59 | alkisg | Multiuser runlevel is opposed to "single user login" with "single" in the command line, which can be used for system recovery etc |
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| 05:02.06 | alex11 | i know dpkg has a factoid for this and all but is a typical backup basically just /home and /etc? |
| 05:02.13 | alex11 | i do backup more, just... wondering |
| 05:02.27 | alex11 | like i do have /var and /usr/local and /root |
| 05:02.30 | alex11 | idk |
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| 05:03.26 | ryouma | i never quite got why debconf is not in /etc |
| 05:04.01 | alkisg | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.21 | ryouma | but it is also something you want even if it can be reproduced with effort |
| 05:04.24 | alex11 | i'm sure when i do have to do a backup i'll screw everything up and things will explode |
| 05:04.34 | alex11 | er |
| 05:04.36 | alex11 | do a restore |
| 05:04.39 | alkisg | Peppi: that person there indeed creates a systemd service; although I'd check with `modinfo` if the rpi4 wifi has an option for that, to put it in modprobe options instead of a service |
| 05:05.04 | Peppi | it's a rpi3B+ btw |
| 05:05.15 | alkisg | I think it's the same wifi chipset |
| 05:05.27 | Peppi | alkisg, I was going to ask what does: sudo systemctl --full --force edit wifi_powersave@.service do? |
| 05:05.40 | Peppi | and where is it? |
| 05:05.58 | alkisg | Peppi: it creates a service fil somewhere under /etc/systemd |
| 05:07.17 | alkisg | Peppi: what's the output of this? lsmod | grep ^cfg802 |
| 05:07.30 | Peppi | alkisg, and sorry for the stupid question but how do I "check with 'modinfo'"? |
| 05:07.57 | alkisg | That's what I'm getting to, with the question above ^ |
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| 05:08.30 | Peppi | oops missed that sorry one second |
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| 05:09.30 | Peppi | cfg80211 761856 1 brcmfmac |
| 05:09.48 | alkisg | Peppi: now this one: modinfo brcmfmac | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 05:09.56 | alkisg | This will put the module information in a URL; tell us the URL |
| 05:10.08 | alkisg | And we'll see if it has a power_mgmt option |
| 05:10.50 | Peppi | https://termbin.com/mftx |
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| 05:11.16 | alkisg | No power parm: |
| 05:11.25 | alkisg | So yeah you'll need to use the iw command |
| 05:11.47 | alkisg | Use that page you linked, with the service they mention there |
| 05:12.02 | Peppi | but I must be missing something then |
| 05:12.12 | alkisg | Why? |
| 05:12.13 | Peppi | sec |
| 05:13.31 | Peppi | I'm trying to find that file I created after: sudo systemctl --full --force edit wifi_powersave@.service you said /etc/systemd yes? |
| 05:13.48 | alkisg | If memory recalls, yes |
| 05:14.15 | Peppi | ohh ic it now |
| 05:14.32 | Peppi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:15.14 | Peppi | ok so file is there, but I must call it somehow no? Like does it get called on boot? |
| 05:15.20 | alkisg | Yes |
| 05:15.28 | Peppi | everything inside systemd/system? |
| 05:15.29 | alkisg | You can also start it now if you want |
| 05:15.30 | Peppi | hmmm |
| 05:15.34 | Peppi | ok |
| 05:15.40 | alkisg | No, services are marked for "when to run" |
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| 05:15.53 | alkisg | Others at boot, others at shutdown, others at events, timers... |
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| 05:16.14 | Peppi | ohh ok so this one is: After=sys-subsystem-net-devices-wlan0.device |
| 05:16.32 | alkisg | Right, after it detects a wlan0 device |
| 05:16.40 | alkisg | So if for some reason it was named wlan1, it wouldn't run |
| 05:16.50 | Peppi | hmm I wonder why it's not working then |
| 05:17.08 | alkisg | First start with running the iw commands manually |
| 05:17.17 | Peppi | sudo iwconfig wlan0 says Power Management:on |
| 05:17.26 | alkisg | Run: iw wlan0 set power_save off |
| 05:17.30 | alkisg | Does it then say off? |
| 05:17.55 | alkisg | iw wlan0 get power_save |
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| 05:18.32 | node1 | Could anyone help me to understand 3 is being converted into 1.1029152000e+01 inside RRD(round robin database) https://pastebin.com/raw/NcQb0ZLv |
| 05:18.34 | Peppi | ok I ran sudo iw wlan0... and then I ran iw wlan0 get and it does say off |
| 05:19.08 | alkisg | Peppi: the first answer in the link you sent, says it's off by default. Can you reboot and check with `iw wlan0 get power_save` ? |
| 05:19.49 | alkisg | Peppi: wait, you can unload and reload the module instead: |
| 05:19.57 | Peppi | alkisg, it's not off by default. I already checked |
| 05:20.08 | Peppi | like I booted it and it was on |
| 05:20.19 | alkisg | OK |
| 05:20.35 | alkisg | This simulates a "reboot": sudo rmmod brcmfmac; sudo modprobe brcmfmac |
| 05:20.41 | alkisg | It unloads wlan0, then reloads it |
| 05:21.05 | Peppi | sudo iwconfig wlan0 power off also works to turn it off... but looking I assume iwconfig == iw yes? |
| 05:21.12 | alkisg | While with `journalctl -fu wifi_powersave@.service` you'll see the service logs |
| 05:21.27 | somiaj | iwconfig is not iw (they do similar tasks but are different programs) |
| 05:21.49 | alkisg | iwconfig is the old one, iw is the new one. Both offer about the same things, but there's no point in using both of them |
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| 05:22.10 | alkisg | Same as `ifconfig` vs `ip` for ethernet interfaces |
| 05:22.18 | Peppi | ohh ok |
| 05:22.25 | Peppi | sudo rmmod brcmfmac; sudo modprobe brcmfmac just ran that |
| 05:22.28 | Peppi | it looks stalled |
| 05:22.30 | Peppi | sec |
| 05:22.57 | Peppi | pinging I'm getting request timed out... I guess it's rebooting the wifi? |
| 05:23.06 | alkisg | Yes |
| 05:23.16 | alkisg | (08:20:41 AM) alkisg: It unloads wlan0, then reloads it |
| 05:23.21 | Peppi | ok... it takes a long time to reboot lol |
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| 05:23.37 | Peppi | back |
| 05:23.42 | Peppi | let me log in now |
| 05:24.10 | Peppi | oh interesting putty never dropped the connection |
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| 05:24.35 | alkisg | Btw windows 10 has ssh, you don't need putty |
| 05:25.03 | Peppi | alkisg, old habits die hard I guess. But I'll return to that after this lol |
| 05:25.15 | Peppi | ok so ya power management is on again |
| 05:25.16 | alkisg | It also has scp and some other tools, maybe ssh-copy-id as well for the keys, don't remember |
| 05:25.29 | alkisg | Peppi: see that journalctl command I wrote |
| 05:25.35 | Peppi | sec |
| 05:25.48 | somiaj | I swtiched to mobaxterm from ssh a while ago, mostly becuse of default x11 forwarding |
| 05:26.01 | somiaj | I mean putty |
| 05:26.22 | Peppi | -- Logs begin at Sun 2021-05-02 23:03:22 MDT. -- |
| 05:26.29 | Peppi | alkisg, that's all I see |
| 05:26.38 | alkisg | prefers reverse vnc over ssh for graphics, instead of ssh -X... it allows processes to continue running even if ssh connection is dropped |
| 05:27.21 | alkisg | Peppi: how about systemctl status service-name-here |
| 05:27.47 | alkisg | Maybe you mistyped something when editing the service file? |
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| 05:28.01 | Peppi | Failed to get properties: Unit name wifi_powersave@.service is neither a valid invocation ID nor unit name. |
| 05:28.02 | Peppi | maybe |
| 05:28.07 | Peppi | could be |
| 05:29.10 | Peppi | the command I wrote was: systemctl status wifi_powersave@.service |
| 05:29.48 | alkisg | Try: systemctl status wifi_powersave@on.service |
| 05:31.40 | Peppi | https://termbin.com/ewlq |
| 05:31.43 | Peppi | ya it worked |
| 05:32.04 | alkisg | It doesn't say "enabled", did you enable it using the commands at your link? |
| 05:32.19 | alkisg | Ah sorry try with the off one |
| 05:32.21 | alkisg | Not the on one |
| 05:32.40 | Peppi | systemctl status wifi_powersave@off.service that? |
| 05:32.46 | alkisg | Yes |
| 05:33.06 | Peppi | https://termbin.com/7ej7 |
| 05:33.47 | Peppi | shouldn't they both say off? |
| 05:33.58 | Peppi | too many booleans lol |
| 05:34.00 | alkisg | Try: systemctl start wifi_powersave@off.service; iw wlan0 get power_save |
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| 05:34.09 | alkisg | Then the same with "on". Does it toggle the state? |
| 05:35.01 | Peppi | in the website I posted it has sudo systemctl disable wifi_powersave@off.service and then a combination of 4 of them BTW |
| 05:35.06 | Peppi | I'll try yours |
| 05:35.07 | Peppi | sec |
| 05:35.23 | alkisg | The "combination of 4" were "either the first two, or the second two" |
| 05:35.34 | alkisg | I think that by default it's off, and you followed that, and you set it to on :D |
| 05:36.14 | Peppi | your command asks for authentication FYI |
| 05:37.03 | alkisg | The systemctl start/restart commands are supposed to be run as root. Either with su - or sudo -i. Otherwise they ask for authentication, yeah |
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| 05:37.37 | Peppi | https://termbin.com/zcl5 |
| 05:37.43 | Peppi | https://termbin.com/4heiy |
| 05:38.25 | alkisg | This is the output of journalctl; what we want is the output of these: sudo systemctl start wifi_powersave@off.service; iw wlan0 get power_save |
| 05:39.09 | Peppi | FYI I did: systemctl status wifi_powersave@off.service | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 05:39.15 | Peppi | to get those two links |
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| 05:39.23 | alkisg | Yes, we don't need that one now |
| 05:39.46 | alkisg | ( sudo systemctl start wifi_powersave@off.service; iw wlan0 get power_save ) | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 05:40.01 | Peppi | shit I didn't use the () |
| 05:40.17 | Peppi | https://termbin.com/hg5w lol |
| 05:40.18 | Peppi | sec |
| 05:41.01 | Peppi | https://termbin.com/g3vs oh same results |
| 05:41.21 | alkisg | That means that the "off" part of the service isn't working |
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| 05:42.03 | alkisg | iw dev wlan0 set power_save off; sudo systemctl start wifi_powersave@on.service; iw wlan0 get power_save |
| 05:42.10 | alkisg | Do these ^ result in "off" ? |
| 05:42.18 | alkisg | No need to termbin for just an off/on result... |
| 05:42.25 | Peppi | nope on |
| 05:42.33 | Peppi | wait wait |
| 05:42.34 | alkisg | *sorry in on |
| 05:42.43 | Peppi | command failed: Operation not permitted (-1) |
| 05:42.49 | Peppi | k sec |
| 05:42.55 | alkisg | Use sudo in iw |
| 05:42.59 | alkisg | Run: sudo -i |
| 05:43.11 | alkisg | Then continue with all the commands as root, no point in typing sudo all the time |
| 05:43.12 | Peppi | yes off |
| 05:43.17 | Peppi | power save: off |
| 05:43.50 | alkisg | Then your service isn't working |
| 05:43.54 | alkisg | It doesn't toggle the state |
| 05:43.55 | Peppi | ooohh root access I feel like I should be growing a beard now lol |
| 05:44.07 | Peppi | ok |
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| 05:44.15 | Miguel2013 | hey i have a question |
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| 05:44.26 | Miguel2013 | what is the default password in debian 10 live |
| 05:44.32 | Miguel2013 | the normal user "user" |
| 05:44.45 | alkisg | Peppi: what about this one? iw wlan0 set power_save off; systemctl restart wifi_powersave@on.service; iw wlan0 get power_save |
| 05:44.57 | Peppi | Miguel2013, https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=default+password+in+debian+10+live |
| 05:45.12 | Peppi | Miguel2013, user / live |
| 05:45.29 | Peppi | alkisg, k sec |
| 05:45.41 | Peppi | power save on |
| 05:45.45 | alkisg | And this one shows off? iw wlan0 set power_save on; systemctl restart wifi_powersave@off.service; iw wlan0 get power_save |
| 05:46.13 | Peppi | alkisg, correct |
| 05:46.16 | alkisg | Peppi: ok then the service is right, it just needed a "restart" instead of a "start" due to the "RemainAfterExit=yes" part of the systemd unit |
| 05:46.33 | alkisg | Peppi: and you want it off by default,right? |
| 05:46.41 | Peppi | yes please |
| 05:46.51 | alkisg | systemctl disable wifi_powersave@on.service ; systemctl enable wifi_powersave@off.service |
| 05:46.58 | Peppi | I'm not going to lie I'm a little lost at this point lol but i'm just a little slow lol |
| 05:47.02 | alkisg | Run these (the last 2 commands of the "4 combination"), and reboot to see |
| 05:47.38 | alkisg | reboot, ssh, and run: iw wlan0 get power_save |
| 05:47.41 | alkisg | It should say "off" |
| 05:47.54 | Peppi | Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/sys-subsystem-net-devices-wlan0.device.wants/wifi_powersave@off.service â /etc/systemd/system/wifi_powersave@.service. |
| 05:48.19 | alkisg | This means that in the past you had run the first 2 commands, to enable power save, instead of the 2 last ones |
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| 05:48.31 | somiaj | Miguel2013: Doesn' |
| 05:48.34 | alkisg | So I think that you caused the power save=on, instead of avoiding it :D |
| 05:48.35 | Peppi | think I got it. Ok so going to reboot yes? |
| 05:48.38 | alkisg | Yes |
| 05:48.42 | somiaj | Miguel2013: doesn't debian live just boot you into a session that is logged in? |
| 05:49.17 | Peppi | ok rebooting this will take some time... now I can think |
| 05:49.46 | somiaj | Miguel2013: the defualt has changed a bit, looks at one time it was user/live, but unsure if that has changed. My understanding is when you boot up it logs you in automatically, at that point use sudo and set the password |
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| 05:50.39 | alkisg | notes that he tried debian-live-testing-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso last week, and didn't auto-login... |
| 05:51.12 | somiaj | hmm, well I see user/live being stated for both debian 8 and 9, so provided that hasn't changed |
| 05:51.13 | Peppi | alkisg, yes it worked |
| 05:51.58 | alkisg | Peppi: ok. So, how sure are you, that before you started all that, the default wasn't already off? |
| 05:53.05 | Peppi | alkisg, 100% sure... or as close as I can get to that |
| 05:53.42 | alkisg | I'll fire up my rpi4 and see, although currently I have raspbian there, and my rockpro64 that has debian testing doesn't have a wlan... |
| 05:53.48 | Peppi | my issue was how he wrote the code after: Now enable just what you want on boot up: |
| 05:54.17 | Peppi | I think this is on raspbian... I'm using octopi |
| 05:54.28 | Peppi | isn't that raspbian or??? |
| 05:54.31 | alkisg | Ah, this channel is for debian only |
| 05:54.37 | Peppi | ohh lol |
| 05:54.44 | Peppi | sorry |
| 05:54.44 | somiaj | !raspbian |
| 05:54.46 | dpkg | Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 05:55.10 | Peppi | oh sorry about that |
| 05:55.29 | alkisg | np; anyway my rpi4+raspbian also shows power save: on, so you're right there |
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| 05:55.40 | Peppi | lol ok I guess I'll hold off on my other questions lol |
| 05:55.44 | alkisg | :) |
| 05:57.01 | Peppi | alkisg, oh just one quickone does your pi4 complain in dmsg about: brcmf_c_preinit_dcmds: Firmware: BCM43430/1 wl0: Oct 22 2019 01:59:28 version 7.45.98.94 (r723000 CY) FWID 01-3b33decd |
| 05:57.51 | alkisg | Peppi: I powered it off, can't check quickly |
| 05:58.03 | Peppi | kk np |
| 05:58.12 | Peppi | I'll move to raspbian then |
| 05:58.18 | alkisg | :thumbs: |
| 05:58.26 | Peppi | thanks a lot for all the help and ttfn |
| 05:58.33 | alkisg | You're welcome |
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| 05:59.01 | jim | I got a guy running debian buster, he did an upgrade, before the upgrade he had kernel 4.19.0-14-amd64 and after, he got kernel 4.19.0-16-amd64; the issue he reports is that now uname -a and uname -r just says nothing but `x86_64` |
| 05:59.12 | jim | is this a known issue? |
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| 06:07.46 | somiaj | jim: check the bts for know issues, but uname -a here is "Linux zeno 4.19.0-16-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.181-1 (2021-03-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux" |
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| 06:10.29 | somiaj | jim: have they tried to boot up off the old kernel and test the output? |
| 06:15.32 | jim | hmm. |
| 06:16.50 | jim | that's what I was trying to get him to do, dunno the status as he's currently not responding. I'll get the info to you as soon as I get it |
| 06:17.16 | jim | and/or, someone could watch ##linux (but not much action on that issue right now) |
| 06:17.44 | jim | he wanted to try reinstalling the same kernel |
| 06:17.58 | jim | other than that, I don't know |
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| 06:39.23 | jelly | jim, unane -r never said anything about x86_64 in the first place |
| 06:40.09 | jelly | also, please avoid proxying someone ELSE's issues from other channels. If they need #debian help point them here and they can ask themselves |
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| 07:01.00 | jim | jelly, there is a problem with doing so... I have seen and also experienced how #debian treats people, and I'm not going to subject them to that |
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| 07:02.01 | jim | so please don't ever ask me to do so again |
| 07:02.01 | SymbioticFemale | whats the best way to share screen? vnc? |
| 07:02.53 | alkisg | SymbioticFemale: I'm using reverse vnc, where the technician port-forwards, while the user can be behind nat and only needs one command. E.g. to test it, run: x11vnc -connect alkisg.ltsp.org => screen shared |
| 07:03.24 | SymbioticFemale | mmmm that looks nice |
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| 07:05.28 | jelly | jim, if bed-side manner need fixing that's something to work on, I can agree with that. But please understand I get frustrated with the incomplete, filtered information you pass on |
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| 07:06.13 | jim | are you on ##linux now? |
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| 07:06.26 | jelly | I'm there all the time. |
| 07:06.41 | jim | ok, that gives you the ability to respond there |
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| 07:09.00 | jim | but given you probably can look at one channel at a time, and can't necessarily tell when a debian issue is being discussed, I can understand when you don't (given you're busy, or elsewhere (or both)) |
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| 07:09.57 | jelly | jim, are you going to asknowledge the "incomplete and filtered" part? |
| 07:10.02 | jelly | <jim> what does uname -r say? <markasoftware_> x86_64 |
| 07:10.05 | jim | but, I'm curious: what info was missing? |
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| 07:10.21 | jim | I made that part clear |
| 07:10.42 | jelly | No, you absolutely have not said "uname -r returns x86_64" |
| 07:11.07 | jelly | or if you did I totally missed it |
| 07:11.21 | jim | hmm, there's a problem in perception? |
| 07:12.21 | jelly | oh, you have, and I DID miss it, sorry |
| 07:12.47 | jim | yep, I combined it in a somewhat unexpected way |
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| 07:13.14 | jim | I tried to put every part in the first two postings |
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| 07:14.09 | jim | there wasn't much more, partly because he didn't respond after that |
| 07:15.04 | jim | so, I tried to find out if any other folks had the issue. and, now I'm remembering that he said he's running buster with some backports |
| 07:15.08 | alkisg | also felt harassed here in the past, and left for a year or so, but decided to come back and just state it if it's ever the case again |
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| 07:16.12 | jim | he didn't say which backports |
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| 07:16.54 | jim | is uname in the /etc/alternatives? |
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| 07:19.42 | jim | looks like a plain file not a symlink |
| 07:20.12 | jim | and is a binary executable |
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| 07:24.55 | somiaj | This channel is usually helpful (though dealing with debian derivatives can often be a sore spot). Though filtering people from here and acting as a middle person on a support issue not only makes support harder, it perpetrates and issue rather than trying to improve the community. |
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| 07:25.35 | c4pt00 | https://imgur.com/gallery/UNGMUCX |
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| 07:27.04 | somiaj | jim: finding out if the issue occurs on other kernels and which version of coreutils could possibly help debug the issue. |
| 07:28.05 | jim | is that the package uname is in/ |
| 07:28.07 | jim | ? |
| 07:28.39 | somiaj | correct |
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| 07:29.57 | jim | also... the guy stopped responding, I could have asked other questions, and did ask him to boot into the earlier kernel, but alas, he wasn't responding |
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| 08:02.48 | lessless | Is it possible for DC staff to get session on a running VPS in principle? |
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| 08:07.43 | ratrace | lessless: the what on what now? |
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| 08:08.38 | rk4 | lessless: yes. |
| 08:09.06 | rk4 | in principle, in practice too |
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| 08:09.56 | lessless | rk4 thanks. I guess not on a dedicated machine unless they backdoored it before installing? |
| 08:10.12 | lessless | Put a backdoor in a distro |
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| 08:11.09 | rk4 | dedicated is more work, but in many cases still practical [out of band management provides some easy hooks in] |
| 08:11.32 | rk4 | that's if you were to rent a dedicated server |
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| 08:12.51 | lessless | Understood, thanks |
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| 08:15.18 | rk4 | people who care about security control the physical access to their hosts, but this is too expensive for the benefit for many |
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| 08:27.17 | ratrace | and likely unnecessary. very few are feasible targets for such subversion. if you host cat videos, you're probably not interesting. if you host wikileaks, you probably have people injected into your org who will subvert you from inside. :) it's never black and white. |
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| 08:44.41 | SymbioticFemale | what would cause a SSH tunnel (debian running SSH server) to hang every time more than a few bytes travel over it? |
| 08:45.29 | ratrace | SymbioticFemale: check with tcpdump, if those packets are going over without returning acks |
| 08:45.49 | SymbioticFemale | i have one debian box where the terminal hangs any time too many lines of data pass over it, or when an ncurses application is opened in a large (20+ line) terminal |
| 08:47.08 | sigint | SymbioticFemale, I bet it's an MTU problem |
| 08:47.27 | SymbioticFemale | sigint: i also suspect it is an mtu problem |
| 08:48.20 | SymbioticFemale | the connection is over wireguard |
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| 08:53.20 | jelly | is it a vpn? |
| 08:53.24 | jelly | ah, yes it is |
| 08:54.39 | jelly | that points to pMTUd being broken yes, test if it behaves better when you set MTU lower on that iface |
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| 09:31.11 | steven | ok, so because this is still an issue I figured Imma ask one more time. Does debian have repository issuses or something? I am running apt update w/ 20kb/s for like months now |
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| 09:31.43 | steven | usually its not that big a deal because its mostly cached but this has got to be an known issue? |
| 09:33.13 | ratrace | steven: did you try changing the mirror? it has to be something specific to your neck of the intertube woods |
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| 09:33.56 | steven | its inside docker, so I did not change a thing. is debian blocking/throttling docker in any way? |
| 09:34.08 | ratrace | "debian" is not, no |
| 09:34.49 | ratrace | steven: so... a) try changing mirrors, b) check docker/iptables/whatever-it-uses for any filtering issues or QoS |
| 09:35.21 | steven | it only happens w/ debian. all other images/repos work just fine so I'd rule out docker/iptables |
| 09:35.31 | steven | but yes, might be borked mirrors then.. |
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| 09:36.21 | steven | how does debian resolve http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64? |
| 09:37.11 | ratrace | depends on how it's configured to resolve. by default probably no local recursive caching resolver and whatever's in resolv.conf |
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| 09:38.35 | ratrace | an deb.debian.org is the CDN afaik, so you can force a non-CDN mirror. somethign physically closer. if you rent your server, maybe teh DC has a mirror |
| 09:38.39 | ratrace | and* |
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| 09:42.07 | sigint | steven, you can try running a docker container with --net=host and check if you see any difference |
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| 10:08.20 | oxek | steven: I have the same issue in docker |
| 10:08.56 | oxek | if you find a way of fixing it, let me know |
| 10:09.22 | ratrace | oxek: regardless of mirrors chosen? |
| 10:09.30 | oxek | regardless of mirror chosen |
| 10:09.50 | ratrace | does docker do any QoS? |
| 10:10.01 | oxek | it helps if I cancel the apt operation, and try again several times |
| 10:10.06 | oxek | it eventually works at full speed |
| 10:10.14 | oxek | but fails on the next invocation again |
| 10:10.26 | oxek | since it's this random, I did not find a way of debugging it |
| 10:10.34 | oxek | and it happens on two machines |
| 10:11.05 | ratrace | I'd start with tcpdump and see how those packets go ... any resends going on. window sizes.... |
| 10:11.07 | oxek | very likely an issue with the docker in buster, will probably go away on its own in bullseye, or if I were to use upstream docker |
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| 10:11.53 | ratrace | "docker" aplication does not process network packets, it "just" manages namespaces. if there's a bug there, it's a bug in how namespces are set up and should be fixable in any version |
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| 10:15.44 | arul00 | hello :) |
| 10:18.02 | arul00 | i'm new to debian |
| 10:18.14 | arul00 | migrated from ubuntu to debian |
| 10:18.34 | rk4 | welcome |
| 10:18.59 | arul00 | just checking this group has active members:) |
| 10:20.05 | jelly | only during business hours in New Zealand, we're all asleep now |
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| 10:20.56 | oxek | indeed, very asleep now, sleeptyping now |
| 10:21.32 | oxek | also |
| 10:21.33 | oxek | !welcome |
| 10:21.33 | dpkg | Welcome to #debian, the larger but unofficial support channel for Debian GNU/Linux stable releases. Official channels have moved to OFTC (irc.oftc.net) see https://wiki.debian.org/IRC for a complete list. If you are new to Debian see https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian and https://www.debian.org/social_contract.en.html if these sound good to you, then, welcome to the Debian community! |
| 10:21.36 | ratrace | hey, herding sheep in New Zealand was MY idea! get off my pasture! |
| 10:24.05 | arul00 | nice to meet y'all |
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| 10:46.18 | SymbioticFemale | usng x11vnc, i can connect, and the screen resolution is right, but its just black and then after some seconds I get "connection reset by peer" |
| 10:46.37 | SymbioticFemale | what am i doing wrong |
| 10:47.20 | SymbioticFemale | the server is running xfce and the user is logged in. |
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| 10:59.52 | SymbioticFemale | i just can't make my remote host's mtu settings function |
| 10:59.58 | SymbioticFemale | i am going insane |
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| 11:07.30 | SymbioticFemale | ok i borked my remote system with a wrongly typed ifconfig command |
| 11:07.33 | SymbioticFemale | yay no more work |
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| 11:08.34 | ratrace | SymbioticFemale: ifconfig is dead. perhaps you should get used to iproute |
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| 11:10.15 | oxek | what happened to iproute1 anyway? |
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| 11:14.56 | ratrace | retired. tried suicide, failed. ended up in arkham for a few years, was later released and is now living at the foss retirement home, Neverglades. |
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| 11:24.37 | oxek | well written |
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| 11:33.17 | versuchsanstalt | If I see that a system has 0 lines in /var/log/apt/history.log does it mean that this system has never been upgraded? |
| 11:33.33 | oxek | or the log was cleared |
| 11:33.40 | oxek | which is more likely |
| 11:34.36 | oxek | are there any history.log.x.gz files in the same location? x being some number |
| 11:34.47 | jelly | versuchsanstalt, that file is rotated via /etc/logrotate.d/apt |
| 11:34.59 | jelly | so, "no" |
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| 11:35.14 | versuchsanstalt | oic, thank you oxek and jelly |
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| 11:36.18 | versuchsanstalt | i see a history.log.1.gz and it has all the post install upgrades I remember... thanks guys |
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| 11:58.43 | jelly | ,v openjdk-8-jdk |
| 11:58.44 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- stretch-proposed-updates: 8u242-b08-1~deb9u1; stretch: 8u252-b09-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u252-b09-1~deb9u1 |
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| 12:02.01 | TheBigK | thats actually kinda sad, that openjdk-8-jdk does not exist in debian buster or bullseye... i hate that i have to have an external mirror just for that |
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| 12:03.00 | jelly | adoptjdk is probably a good source |
| 12:03.56 | TheBigK | jelly: yes it is... right now we actually use the oldstable ... but im going to change that when we upgrade to bullseye |
| 12:04.03 | jelly | I;m honestly not sure why AdoptJDK exists, and then several member have THEIR OWN builds: Amazon, IBM/RHEL, Microsoft all have their own builds and packages for jdk8 |
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| 12:04.33 | TheBigK | java is a mess... i think everybody knows that :D |
| 12:04.50 | jelly | TheBigK, please note you're already using too old, buggy jdk, openjdk is at 8u292 or so |
| 12:05.41 | TheBigK | jelly: im aware... its on my plan of changes... :p |
| 12:06.07 | TheBigK | but it was running for so long... those weeks till bullseye... i can live with that |
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| 12:07.54 | TheBigK | thats the update which is shown to me when i would install patches.. which we will do when we do the dist-upgrade.. unless some serious issues come up... |
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| 12:08.20 | TheBigK | im happy debian-security newsletter reader :) |
| 12:09.05 | TheBigK | its crazy how good debian is.. when u consider how uncomercial it is... but may be thats why its so good :D |
| 12:09.42 | TheBigK | i still hate myself for not using debian on my raspi in the first place... ITS SO GOOD :D |
| 12:12.07 | Miles8of9 | mm kernel 4.19 and awfully old versions of all other softwares... stable indeed... but very very very very old |
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| 12:13.43 | jelly | now I wonder whether to fix make-jpkg script to accept OpenJDK8U-jdk_x64_linux_hotspot_8u292b10.tar.gz or just not bother with .deb packaging |
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| 12:14.45 | DJAnonimo | hello, im tryin to stop a process to do not start at boot but it keep starting |
| 12:15.08 | DJAnonimo | im using... systemctl disable servicename |
| 12:15.15 | jelly | !mask |
| 12:15.25 | jelly | DJAnonimo, eh. Use systemctl mask ... |
| 12:16.07 | jelly | if another service uses your target as dependency, it can still get started even when disabled |
| 12:16.39 | DJAnonimo | strange. because its documented command |
| 12:16.46 | DJAnonimo | just tried with mask |
| 12:18.01 | DJAnonimo | for unmask is systemctl unmask... ? |
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| 12:32.50 | cws | DJAnonimo: Disable != mask. Even though disable is a documented command, it doesn't do what you think it does. |
| 12:33.04 | Iutech | Hi all |
| 12:33.06 | Iutech | I have a trouble installing Debian buster on a Dell Precision 3640 Tower Workstation |
| 12:33.24 | Iutech | The installer doesn't see any disk except the USB key installer |
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| 12:35.19 | Iutech | The UEFI setup says there are two disks, a SATA and a SSD M2 PCIe |
| 12:35.52 | Iutech | How come the installer sees none of them ? |
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| 12:52.00 | oxek | Iutech: try the iso with non-free firmware |
| 12:52.12 | oxek | !firmware iso |
| 12:52.12 | dpkg | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
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| 13:16.31 | Iutech | Thanks. Alas, I tried it and the disks still aren't seen |
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| 13:19.38 | cws | Iutech: Not overly familiar with the BIOS/UEFI options for that system. Is there anything interfering with how disks are presented to the system, like some software raid or non-AHCI thing? |
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| 13:24.10 | Iutech | No idea, I discovered the computer this morning. Is there a way to check for that ? |
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| 13:35.22 | folti7777 | Iutech: It sholud be in BIOS...AHCI something setting. In Phoenix BIOS... |
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| 13:47.49 | Iutech | Indeed, that was the problem (setup had the option "RAID ON") Thanks ! |
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| 14:15.52 | vincent- | Hello. I need some help with "debmirror". I was expecting this tool to work out of the box, but I'm having some issues. I spawn a new Debian 10 container with podman, I run "apt update" and "apt upgrade". After that I install debmirror. Finally, I run this command: debmirror --arch=amd64,armhf --dist=buster --di-arch=amd64 --di-dist=buster --nosource --postcleanup --progress --host=ftp.uk.debian.org wop/ |
| 14:16.16 | vincent- | It fails with errors like this one: [GNUPG:] NO_PUBKEY 04EE7237B7D453EC |
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| 14:17.49 | vincent- | Full output here: https://paste.debian.net/1196124/ |
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| 14:19.42 | vincent- | A smaller command like this one also fails for the same reason: debmirror --host=ftp.uk.debian.org wop |
| 14:20.58 | vincent- | I have also tried with different hosts (ftp.es.debian.org, or ftp.us.debian.org), and it also fails for the same reason. |
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| 14:27.42 | themill | vincent-: you need to tell debmirror what keys to trust. The man page has the relevant example for when you're mirroring Debian |
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| 14:28.26 | themill | Have a look at the --keyring option and the discussion of keyrings under FILES |
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| 14:32.12 | vincent- | themill, I'll have a look, thanks. |
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| 14:33.43 | DJAnonimo | I would like to disable hdmi outputs. anyone know how? |
| 14:34.43 | vincent- | themill, that seems to work. Thanks! :-) |
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| 14:36.33 | themill | np |
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| 14:37.40 | allizom | DJAnonimo: video or audio? Which desktop are you running? |
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| 14:40.57 | DJAnonimo | allizom: video and audio |
| 14:41.06 | DJAnonimo | no desktop. debian minimal |
| 14:41.33 | DJAnonimo | PC running on battery so I want to lower consumption as much is possible |
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| 14:47.03 | allizom | DJAnonimo: should be something like: 'xrandr --output HDMI-1 --off' |
| 14:47.21 | allizom | check xrandr for your exact output name beforehand |
| 14:48.03 | DJAnonimo | so I need to instal... xrandr |
| 14:48.26 | greycat | it's in x11-xserver-utils |
| 14:48.33 | allizom | are you running x at all? |
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| 14:48.45 | DJAnonimo | debian minimal |
| 14:48.49 | DJAnonimo | only LAN and wifi |
| 14:48.54 | greycat | "minimal" has no meaning |
| 14:48.55 | alkisg | You could also use a video=output:d kernel cmdline, if you're using a KMS driver |
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| 14:49.03 | greycat | are you running X11, or console? |
| 14:49.12 | DJAnonimo | only connected with ssh |
| 14:49.25 | DJAnonimo | I instales alsa.I see hdmi audio outputs |
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| 14:53.19 | allizom | DJAnonimo: just disconnect the cable? |
| 14:54.14 | DJAnonimo | output is available also if disconnected |
| 14:54.48 | DJAnonimo | I seen on forums that guys disable raspberry pi HDMI for reduce power consumption |
| 14:54.51 | greycat | I'm still wondering why you think disabling the *UNUSED* port through software is going to affect power consumption. |
| 14:54.53 | allizom | it won't save you power anyway |
| 14:55.59 | DJAnonimo | https://learn.pi-supply.com/make/how-to-save-power-on-your-raspberry-pi/#turn-off-hdmi |
| 14:56.46 | DJAnonimo | ----> However, even though you do not have anything connected to the HDMI port it will still output and power the port, ready for when do connect a monitor- |
| 14:56.54 | petn-randall | DJAnonimo: Is your device a RPi? |
| 14:57.03 | DJAnonimo | RPi 4 |
| 14:57.24 | greycat | previously they called it a "pc" so this is all new info |
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| 14:58.04 | petn-randall | DJAnonimo: I'd ask in #raspberrypi for help, they probably have this kind of special info. |
| 14:58.10 | greycat | well, your blog/forum thingy is running a command from /opt/vc so I guess you get to track down what that it, and install it |
| 14:59.08 | DJAnonimo | petn-randall: official PI have a config that can disable it. as I tested not all commands are supported on debian images |
| 15:00.28 | greycat | track down what /opt/vc/ is, and install it, and use it |
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| 15:09.22 | DJAnonimo | https://command-not-found.com/tvservice |
| 15:09.31 | wanko | how can i remove /usr/sbin/dhclient from my system? i tried purging isc-dhcp-common but it's still there |
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| 15:10.10 | greycat | ,file usr/sbin/dhclient |
| 15:10.15 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 15:10.20 | greycat | why would you think it's in a package named "-common" |
| 15:10.45 | greycat | wanko: What OS are you actually running? It's not Debian, is it. |
| 15:10.46 | DJAnonimo | ,file /opt/vc/bin/tvservice |
| 15:10.51 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 15:10.54 | wanko | it's debian buster greycat |
| 15:10.58 | greycat | DJAnonimo: that's not Debian either. No Debian package includes any files in /opt. |
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| 15:11.53 | DJAnonimo | so probablly not possible to install it? |
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| 15:13.01 | wanko | oh i see i purged common when i meant to do the client instead |
| 15:13.06 | greycat | Ah, you're being fooled by the usrmerge. |
| 15:13.12 | greycat | ,file sbin/dhclient --release buster |
| 15:13.17 | judd | Search for sbin/dhclient in buster/amd64: isc-dhcp-client-ddns: sbin/dhclient; isc-dhcp-client: sbin/dhclient |
| 15:13.31 | greycat | As expected, it isn't in the -common package. |
| 15:13.47 | wanko | i just did apt search dhclient and kind of went misguided there |
| 15:14.34 | greycat | DJAnonimo: it is a THIRD PARTY THING. You must find it and install it yourself. |
| 15:15.03 | DJAnonimo | I see. I will google for something like compiling it etc |
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| 15:20.49 | DJAnonimo | there is located in... deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ jessie main |
| 15:21.18 | greycat | You will note that this is NOT debian. |
| 15:21.48 | DJAnonimo | thats what guys answered someone on forum |
| 15:21.53 | DJAnonimo | that is it in this repo |
| 15:21.58 | greycat | You may or may not need to change the "jessie" component in that line. You will definitely need to read the third party repo's instructions. |
| 15:22.18 | lunar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.31 | lunar | The few forum posts I found haven't seem to address the issue. |
| 15:22.31 | DJAnonimo | maybe jessie to bullseye |
| 15:22.37 | greycat | !ubuntu |
| 15:22.37 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 15:22.53 | lunar | cool thank you |
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| 15:25.38 | DJAnonimo | I found in debian/dists/bullseye/main/binary-armhf |
| 15:25.54 | DJAnonimo | Packages.gz contains Package: libraspberrypi-bin |
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| 15:28.18 | greycat | DJAnonimo: uh... you mean on this third party repo. (After I waste a bunch of time trying to find that in Debian.) Does this third party repo not have INSTRUCTIONS? Is that why you're just probing it randomly? |
| 15:29.03 | greycat | oh goody, http://archive.raspberrypi.org/html/ is cute. |
| 15:29.37 | greycat | well, good luck with this thing. |
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| 15:54.42 | ZoeurK | hi, do you know where I can offers a small programme...If you don't know this is the package and source from github:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kkNsvQpgHhYkevaPA_tqXwM7fydF2F4S/view?usp=sharing, https://github.com/zoeurk/json2txt bye |
| 15:54.44 | corank | Hey folks! I have a question. Around this time when testing has been frozen, is it possible to migrate from sid to testing (and then to the coming stable Bullseye) relatively safely? |
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| 15:55.21 | jelly | corank, yes but keyword being "relatively" |
| 15:55.56 | jhutchins | corank: Backups. |
| 15:55.57 | corank | Ah haha right |
| 15:56.14 | corank | Jhu |
| 15:56.16 | jelly | sometimes there's stuff in sid that never ends up in testing, you'd have to check for packages that don't exist in versions you got already installed |
| 15:56.25 | RadoS | I wanted to try "unattened updates", but when selecting witht he installer, no updates are processed after several days & reboots. Is there more to setup to make it work just the selecting it in the installer? |
| 15:56.25 | jelly | !not available |
| 15:56.25 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 15:56.43 | jelly | corank, ^ after switching repos to bullseye |
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| 15:57.31 | corank | jelly: thanks a lot! I will try then |
| 15:57.31 | RadoS | +more than |
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| 15:57.58 | corank | jhutchins: thank you for this reminder! |
| 15:58.06 | jelly | corank, see also /msg dpkg obsolete, /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 15:58.14 | jhutchins | RadoS: Are there upgrades available? |
| 15:58.19 | RadoS | Yes. |
| 15:58.29 | RadoS | They're building up over time. |
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| 15:59.12 | RadoS | It's "udaptes", not "upgrades", right? |
| 15:59.19 | RadoS | ... o O ( grre typoes ) |
| 15:59.30 | jhutchins | Is UB running? Is there a cron job? Is there anything in the logs? |
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| 15:59.47 | jhutchins | RadoS: Update updates the catalog, upgrade does the actrual install. |
| 16:00.36 | RadoS | That's the question, should it all be setup to work "out of the box", or do I have to touch something manually before it can even work? |
| 16:01.03 | corank | jelly: really helpful! Thank you! |
| 16:01.37 | RadoS | jhutchins, ok, "upgrade" for packages rather than release. |
| 16:03.31 | RadoS | jhutchins, what is "UB" in your question about it running? |
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| 16:05.51 | jhutchins | Actually, it's nonsense, Unattended Upgrades (UU) is what I meant. |
| 16:06.40 | RadoS | Ok, how do I determine whether it is or not? |
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| 16:06.57 | jhutchins | ps ax, logs |
| 16:07.14 | RadoS | Are there separate logs for it to inspect? I don't know where to start looking. |
| 16:07.57 | jhutchins | RadoS: Start with /var/log |
| 16:08.34 | jhutchins | RadoS: I don't know if it would write a separate log, or if it would be in messages/syslog. |
| 16:09.10 | jhutchins | RadoS: THere's also dmesg | less - kernel messages, and journalctl - systemd. |
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| 16:14.16 | jhutchins | RadoS: Release upgrades require manually changing the sources.list - unless you did something silly like using "stable" instead of "buster". |
| 16:14.47 | jhutchins | Frankly I prefer the idea of knowing and acknowledging what is being upgraded. |
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| 16:34.27 | RadoS | jhutchins, there is no process caryying "unattended" "upgrade" or anyhow else related to the topic. |
| 16:35.29 | greycat | !unattended-upgrades |
| 16:35.29 | dpkg | methinks unattended-upgrades is a package for installing security upgrades automatically, unattended. See https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
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| 16:46.16 | RadoS | greycat, thanks. Does this mean only with GNOME it is enabled to work out-of-the-box, while everything else requires extra config effort per conf files for apt & cron? |
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| 16:47.09 | RadoS | Using the mentioned software-protperties-gtk shows "all is ready to roll", still nothing has happened so far by itself. |
| 16:47.20 | RadoS | Currently _not_ using GNOME. |
| 16:47.24 | greycat | it has nothing to do with GNOME |
| 16:47.57 | RadoS | "upgrades are enabled with the GNOME desktop." |
| 16:48.52 | somiaj | maybe read /usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades/README.md.gz |
| 16:48.55 | greycat | this does not say anything about non-GNOME configs |
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| 16:49.48 | greycat | finds https://sources.debian.org/src/unattended-upgrades/1.11.2/README.md/ |
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| 17:09.33 | Gerowen | Random question about backing up off-site with duplicity to a b2 bucket. Since I have about 13 TB worth of data; my initial backup is going to take a very long time, and running it on the drives live isn't really a great idea since the data will be changing in the middle of the backup. I have an external drive that I've been using as "off-site" storage and my question is this. If I do the first backup from that external drive, and then switch it so |
| 17:09.33 | Gerowen | that future backups come from the actual live drives in the system, will duplicity still just scan for differences between the source and destination, or since the source changes, will it do a totally new backup from the beginning? |
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| 17:19.01 | somiaj | Gerowen: does the man page of duplicity say what it uses to determine if a file needs backuped? Filesize? checksum? etc? |
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| 17:22.52 | somiaj | looks like it just uses rsync, which by default uses both file size and last modfied time to determine if a new copy needs to be made or not. |
| 17:23.04 | sigint | Gerowen, I know it's super anoying when one asks a question about X and gets recommneded Y... but have you checked restic or borg? |
| 17:23.10 | Gerowen | somiaj: I'll have to double check, but at first glance all it says is that "only parts of files that have changed" would be backed up, which is what I suspected; I just know that this backup process would probably take a LONG time because even just checking the contents means it would have to decrypt and read the contents of the archives to compare against the source. |
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| 17:23.44 | sigint | I switched to restic to backup my NAS and it handles well the scenario you described |
| 17:24.09 | sigint | as it doesn't care about file paths for deduplication |
| 17:24.13 | somiaj | Gerowen: yea, there are various ways that rsync can handel this in determine if a file is changed or not, using diffs vs whole file. I don't use duplicity, but basically provided the filesize/last modified time (or more complicated md5sums) are the same it won't copy the file over again. |
| 17:24.42 | somiaj | Gerowen: I just don't know what duplicity uses to determine if a file is different by default. |
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| 17:40.25 | zx_gamer | Hello, everyone. |
| 17:40.53 | zx_gamer | What do U think about debian 11 release date? |
| 17:41.21 | sney | !bullseye freeze |
| 17:41.22 | dpkg | the freeze for Debian 11 'bullseye' has begun on 2021-01-13. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2021/01/msg00002.html | Want to help? See https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2021/05/msg00000.html for current status. |
| 17:41.27 | greycat | !bullseye pool 1 |
| 17:41.28 | dpkg | ! antto=2021-07-07 räträcé=2021-06-13 jëlly=2021-06-06 themÃll=2021-09-01 |
| 17:42.28 | shtrb | zx_gamer, it will arrive just after we covid will end |
| 17:42.31 | zx_gamer | So, I think stable release. |
| 17:42.50 | somiaj | zx_gamer: I've heard that june seems to be the goal unless they can fix some of the rc and installer bugs sooner. |
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| 17:43.17 | zx_gamer | TNX |
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| 17:45.22 | rockworld | hi there is a way of redirecting a directory into apache website without using proxy method? because I have icecast page running on port 8000 and centovacast running on port 2133 so I would like to forward these to page to a html page of my website, im using apache2, im out of idea and not sure about the proxy method |
| 17:45.36 | shtrb | If nvidia-detect return "Your card is supported by all driver versions." does it mean I can install libnvidia-tesla-460 packages too ? |
| 17:46.35 | somiaj | rockworld: I don't think setting up a directory location will work in that case, and what you describe sounds like what a proxy is for. |
| 17:47.22 | shtrb | rockworld, proxying would be the way to do , but if these ports EVERYTHING accessible you could do a page that give you a redirect too (bad idea but would work) |
| 17:47.26 | somiaj | rockworld: i.e. I don't thinke icecast and centovacast are static files in a directory you can just share, you'll want to setup a proxy. |
| 17:47.51 | rockworld | as I know a proxy can be used to hide people ip |
| 17:47.56 | rockworld | so Im worried about security |
| 17:48.18 | greycat | that's a different kind of proxy |
| 17:48.24 | rockworld | ah right |
| 17:48.32 | shtrb | rockworld, you should be having proxy on your side not on the other side |
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| 17:49.02 | rockworld | what is the debian paste website |
| 17:49.08 | somiaj | rockworld: paste.debian.net |
| 17:49.09 | greycat | paste.debian.net |
| 17:49.11 | shtrb | !paste |
| 17:49.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 17:49.18 | rockworld | thanks I really need some help with that please |
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| 17:51.52 | shtrb | rockworld, take a look at ProxyPass but before hand secure your server ! make sure you have blocked everything all the time and only allow a specific set of users (even auth by cert ) |
| 17:52.27 | rockworld | yes thats why I need that I need to setup a ssl certificate on that |
| 17:52.28 | shtrb | rockworld, c.f. https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/howto/reverse_proxy.html |
| 17:52.44 | shtrb | the ssl is the least of your problems, you can even start with snakeoil |
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| 17:52.58 | shtrb | Is that something for you or for everyone ? |
| 17:54.28 | rockworld | does anyone can check that for me tell me whats wrong |
| 17:54.30 | rockworld | http://paste.debian.net/1196145/ |
| 17:54.46 | rockworld | its my config for icecast + website |
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| 17:55.47 | rockworld | when I try http://nightradio.net/stream |
| 17:55.52 | rockworld | it doesnt work |
| 17:57.05 | rockworld | shtrb: this is for me |
| 17:57.22 | rockworld | but thats a webradio Im gonna have some dj that going to connect on it |
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| 18:01.37 | shtrb | rockworld, welcome back to 1990 :D thank you for this (had to use a vpn to access it ) |
| 18:03.49 | rockworld | lol why |
| 18:04.11 | rockworld | ah the music xD |
| 18:04.49 | shtrb | rockworld, can you try to drop quotes on the path and the ip ? and make sure you had enabled both mod_proxy mod_proxy_http ? |
| 18:04.51 | shtrb | rockworld, yes |
| 18:04.52 | greycat | so it works for shtrb but not for you? that points to a client-side issue, then. |
| 18:05.09 | shtrb | no, it worked when I put the absolute path , not the redirect |
| 18:05.20 | shtrb | also only with a vpn |
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| 18:06.47 | rockworld | I want it to be secure :) |
| 18:07.07 | rockworld | Im gonna check if mod_proxy_http is on |
| 18:07.38 | greycat | I'm struggling to understand what "secure" means in the context of listening to streaming audio. |
| 18:07.44 | rockworld | root@quebechosting:/etc/apache2/sites-available# a2enmod mod_proxy_http |
| 18:07.44 | rockworld | ERROR: Module mod_proxy_http does not exist! |
| 18:08.31 | rockworld | same for mod_proxy |
| 18:08.34 | shtrb | mod_proxy is what enable you the Proxy option http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_proxy.html |
| 18:08.58 | shtrb | greycat, block everything :D |
| 18:09.30 | sney | rockworld: that is because you don't type the "mod_" part, it's just a2enmod proxy. |
| 18:09.53 | sney | you can look in /etc/apache2/mods-available for the names of any installed modules. |
| 18:10.10 | somiaj | rockworld: the modular name is just called 'proxy' |
| 18:10.56 | rockworld | right it says the module is already enabled |
| 18:11.04 | shtrb | rockworld, I was wrong proxy_http is not required at all |
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| 18:11.31 | rockworld | ok I disabled |
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| 18:12.09 | rockworld | but the proxy module was already enabled |
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| 18:12.29 | shtrb | I understand |
| 18:12.30 | rockworld | you said to drop quotes on the path and the ip |
| 18:12.38 | shtrb | (*) to try it |
| 18:12.42 | shtrb | don't know, not sure |
| 18:12.46 | rockworld | not sure what it means :p |
| 18:12.54 | rockworld | I need to translate |
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| 18:13.31 | somiaj | I did notice you had some ProxyPass line outside of the <VirtualHost>, and you may want to worry about one proxy at a time. |
| 18:13.38 | rockworld | right I see what u mean |
| 18:13.45 | shtrb | from ProxyPass "/stream""http://nightradio.net:8056/live" to ProxyPass /stream http://nightradio.net:8056/live/ |
| 18:14.11 | rockworld | yea right Im going to try that |
| 18:14.21 | somiaj | also is that your only VirtualHost setting for this? It seems to be missing standard DocumentRoot type enteries. |
| 18:14.54 | rockworld | I have one on port 443 for ssl |
| 18:15.02 | rockworld | and thats all |
| 18:15.09 | rockworld | same config |
| 18:15.41 | somiaj | and does apache2ctl configtest give you any warnrings. |
| 18:16.01 | somiaj | why not use ssl for this too (You can still proxy to a non ssl location) |
| 18:16.04 | rockworld | output Syntax ok |
| 18:16.43 | rockworld | I will try to remove the quotes and see |
| 18:16.56 | somiaj | You might have to look up if there are another other Proxy options you need to enable for icecast. I know that when setting up my few proxies, apache took a lot more work than nginx due to all of its configuration options. |
| 18:17.00 | rockworld | I can share the 443 virtualhost conf |
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| 18:19.02 | shtrb | rockworld, after changing the config what did you next ? |
| 18:19.28 | rockworld | hum I found there was both config in the ssl file |
| 18:19.31 | rockworld | I dont know why |
| 18:19.39 | rockworld | thats maybe the problem |
| 18:20.00 | rockworld | Im going to share the entire config I disabled now the first one I share |
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| 18:22.01 | rockworld | http://paste.debian.net/1196146/ |
| 18:22.03 | rockworld | here it is |
| 18:22.20 | rockworld | there was the first file and this one activated I think that was the problem |
| 18:22.29 | rockworld | and I take the time to remove the quotes at same time |
| 18:22.32 | rockworld | Im going to try |
| 18:22.36 | rockworld | if it work |
| 18:22.38 | rockworld | cross finger |
| 18:23.42 | shtrb | Is that a live production system ? |
| 18:25.28 | rockworld | for now thats just a stream |
| 18:25.34 | rockworld | I have 2 different mount |
| 18:25.41 | rockworld | 1 for live and the other for stream |
| 18:26.04 | rockworld | so if you try nightradio.net:8056/stream or nightradio.net:8056/live |
| 18:26.07 | rockworld | both should work |
| 18:26.26 | shtrb | good luck I gtg |
| 18:26.36 | rockworld | ok thanks for your time |
| 18:26.42 | rockworld | have a great evening :) |
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| 18:28.22 | RadoS | jhutchins, greycat, thanks for pointers. This system was broken to clean-up the downloaded stuff before it could be applied. |
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| 18:31.46 | rockworld | the reason why I want to point to this is because I want ssl on the stream |
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| 18:35.15 | deadrom | hi |
| 18:35.19 | rockworld | hi |
| 18:36.23 | deadrom | just installing 10.8 on an x64, went for a .nl mirror (that's near my location and the dutchies have fast lines) still progress says for an xfce install and nothing else "1h 10min" |
| 18:36.31 | deadrom | can I break at this point to try another mirror |
| 18:36.33 | deadrom | ? |
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| 18:37.08 | jason1234 | hello |
| 18:37.08 | jason1234 | I have a old pc with debian wheezy main, what is the today sources.list for that? is it archived ? |
| 18:37.22 | greycat | !wheezy sources.list |
| 18:37.22 | dpkg | Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has the two lines «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian wheezy main» and «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security wheezy/updates main». Be sure to run «apt-get update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and «man sources.list». |
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| 18:37.50 | jason1234 | thank you ! |
| 18:41.10 | jason1234 | is a kernel Linux debian 3.2.0-4-486 debian 3.2.51-1 i686 Gnu/Linux old today? |
| 18:41.35 | greycat | yes |
| 18:41.42 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 18:41.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-6-686 (5.10.28-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-6-686 (5.10.28-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (5.10.24-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-16-686-pae (4.19.181-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.16-686 (4.19.181-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 18:41.44 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
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| 18:56.56 | jason1234 | yeah quite old, indeed, no wifi, nothing really found in the kernel. |
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| 19:03.51 | sney | jason1234: there is a 3.16 kernel in wheezy-backports from the same archive mirror, that might support your hardware a little better |
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| 19:22.21 | coc0nut | is it possible to run a browser as a server? like znc-bouncer in example. so you like log in to the browser remotely from another place? :P might be giving away genious ideas here :p had a few ideas today hehe |
| 19:22.41 | sigdk | Hi. After installing debian/grub, I can't boot from windows 10. Any idea how to fix the my bootloader to have the option for dual-boot? |
| 19:23.59 | HannaM | coc0nut: what for? remove page-rendering and then deliver it to your local machine? |
| 19:24.14 | HannaM | -remove +remote |
| 19:24.22 | HannaM | (*sigh* my keyboard is failing..) |
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| 19:24.42 | coc0nut | might be a sollution to sandbox a browser |
| 19:25.05 | HannaM | if it's just for page rendering, there are already solutions to this... |
| 19:25.10 | coc0nut | so that the browser dont get your computer information and so on. so you browse more secure |
| 19:25.21 | coc0nut | there is? would like to know it :) |
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| 19:25.33 | HannaM | phantomjs for example |
| 19:25.42 | HannaM | http://www.phantomjs.org/ |
| 19:25.47 | HannaM | headless webkit brower |
| 19:26.12 | sney | there is "mighty" which is chrome, run on someone else's computer. |
| 19:26.31 | coc0nut | "Important: PhantomJS development is suspended until further notice (more details)." |
| 19:26.56 | HannaM | what? lol |
| 19:27.10 | coc0nut | i guess the tracking stuff is covered by agent 007 :p |
| 19:27.36 | HannaM | anyway, it still works |
| 19:27.58 | HannaM | just make your own improvements if necessary |
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| 19:37.21 | coc0nut | "mighty" looks cool sney! i was thinking something similar just running it as a service or something. without loosing functionality... third party clouds isnt much of privacy :/ |
| 19:37.54 | sney | yes, I wouldn't use it. |
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| 20:03.00 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 20:03.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
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| 20:06.31 | jerome | hey there. I am trying to get btrfs raid1 working over an encrypted lvm setup. As of now, btrfs-progs seems broken (#982990) with such as setup. Has anyone built something similar (raid1, crypt and btrfs)? |
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| 20:32.10 | unixbsd | heloo |
| 20:32.39 | unixbsd | do you know what is needed like LIVE to make a filesquasfs (to ramdisk)? aptÃ-et live or somthing? |
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| 20:39.10 | tomreyn | coc0nut: https://www.brow.sh/ |
| 20:41.07 | coc0nut | tomereyn, niice :) |
| 20:41.19 | coc0nut | tomreyn * |
| 20:43.32 | diogenes_ | unixbsd, what are you trying to do? |
| 20:43.42 | unixbsd | to make a live to ramdisk |
| 20:44.28 | diogenes_ | i used to generate squashfs with xorriso. |
| 20:44.42 | unixbsd | I do it by hand with terminal |
| 20:44.55 | unixbsd | to make the fs, itis very easy |
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| 20:45.04 | unixbsd | the tricky part is to add live to /lib ! |
| 20:46.32 | diogenes_ | afaik there is a Debian channel for that on oftc but can't recall the name, try #debian-live or something like that. |
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| 20:47.03 | unixbsd | no #debian-live exist, chan not found |
| 20:47.18 | diogenes_ | unixbsd, not on freenode. |
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| 20:47.32 | unixbsd | ah |
| 20:47.56 | diogenes_ | yep there is #debian-live on oftc, i've just checked. |
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| 20:53.15 | unixbsd | oh, i will manage alone... it might be possible |
| 20:53.39 | unixbsd | apt-get live stuffs... and then I debootstrap, and I add syslinux or grub2. wont be hard |
| 20:55.46 | jhutchins | !live |
| 20:55.46 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-live/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. <UEFI> mode is supported by Debian Live images. |
| 20:56.27 | unixbsd | I prefer to have my own lives, that rocks better. I add all necessary, like a C compiler at least. |
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| 20:57.45 | jhutchins | Like the factoid says, it can help you build a custom image. |
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| 20:58.37 | pcercuei | I tried the 5.10.28 kernel today |
| 20:58.42 | pcercuei | updating from 4.9 |
| 20:58.47 | pcercuei | and... god, that was scary |
| 20:59.16 | pcercuei | my dmesg: https://gist.github.com/pcercuei/8b4875a28895075ded06c931e91e4572 |
| 20:59.17 | unixbsd | you did compile yourself? bit hell now with bison and all stuffs to compile |
| 20:59.59 | pcercuei | That's on a Asus N56VB laptop. Works perfectly fine in 4.9, and it looks like everything is wrong in 5.10 |
| 21:00.33 | unixbsd | jhutchins: I will have it easy, I already made few lives and distros on debian based. |
| 21:00.48 | jhutchins | pcercuei: There are known issues with some of the 5.10 versions. |
| 21:01.15 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 21:01.16 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-6-686 (5.10.28-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-6-686 (5.10.28-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (5.10.24-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-16-686-pae (4.19.181-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.16-686 (4.19.181-1~deb9u1); jessie- |
| 21:01.17 | judd | backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
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| 21:01.25 | pcercuei | jhutchins: ah. I thought that by .28 it would have been mostly fixed. Especially since this looks very serious |
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| 21:03.03 | jhutchins | pcercuei: Only you can tell us if a specific kernel works with your hardware. Boot back to 4.19 to be sure it's not something else messing up. |
| 21:03.38 | pcercuei | no, it's reproductible |
| 21:03.54 | jhutchins | pcercuei: There should be some discussion of the specific problems wiht 5.10 in the mailing lists.. |
| 21:04.03 | pcercuei | booting back to 4.9 restores the normal behaviour |
| 21:04.26 | jhutchins | 4.9 is not a current kernel. |
| 21:04.29 | unixbsd | Do you want my config for that one ?? that would compile easily. initrd.img-5.8.0-25-generic |
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| 21:04.55 | pcercuei | jhutchins: 4.19, my bad |
| 21:05.12 | pcercuei | unixbsd: sure |
| 21:05.24 | jhutchins | Ah, good. |
| 21:06.02 | unixbsd | anytime I give you my webpage with the files.. have fun |
| 21:06.40 | jhutchins | pcercuei: I think I'd just run with that and watch for updates to the backport. |
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| 21:07.21 | jhutchins | pcercuei: You don't have a lot of modules compiled by dkms or anything? |
| 21:07.42 | pcercuei | jhutchins: no, nothing |
| 21:07.52 | unixbsd | Here plz find the link, load and compile... https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/ubuntu-kernel/-/blob/master/groovy/boot-copy/config-5.8.0-25-generic |
| 21:09.05 | pcercuei | Usually when things like that appear I can bisect the issue, but 4.19 -> 5.10 is a HUGE step |
| 21:10.28 | unixbsd | you need modules |
| 21:10.59 | pcercuei | of course |
| 21:11.04 | jelly | pcercuei, which debian release? |
| 21:11.18 | tomreyn | pcercuei: the log you posted shows problems with an optical disk (might just be scratched?), nouveau (i'm not surprised when it fails), gnome-calendar. did i miss anything? |
| 21:11.37 | pcercuei | jelly: latest testing, with the stable kernel |
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| 21:13.07 | pcercuei | tomreyn: there's no CD/DVD in the drive. I also had the CPU/GPU fan running at full speed, and in an earlier attempt, ext4 filesystem corruption warnings |
| 21:13.16 | jelly | gnome-calendar is a segfault, possibly from graphic drive midbehaving |
| 21:14.07 | jelly | !snapshot |
| 21:14.07 | dpkg | https://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. https://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 21:14.08 | pcercuei | tomreyn: I could boot to the desktop (maybe with llvmpipe - didn't think to check) but it took a good minute to appear after logging on |
| 21:14.37 | jelly | pcercuei, see if you can find an older 5.8 or 5.9 from debian ^ |
| 21:14.50 | pcercuei | jelly: nice, thanks! |
| 21:15.04 | tomreyn | pcercuei: hmm, ok, so it's less likley to be randomly induced, i agree. |
| 21:15.20 | jelly | you can boot the buster kernel in the meantime to make things stable |
| 21:15.55 | pcercuei | jelly: yes, that's what I'm doing, but I see Debian 11 coming, and I don't want to be stuck in the past :) |
| 21:16.01 | unixbsd | is there still a backport or something? if still existing, that might help you |
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| 21:19.10 | jelly | they're on testing and the freeze is in effect, there's nowhere to backport +from_ |
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| 21:23.54 | pcercuei | jelly: adding the snapshot in my sources.list file works for 'buster', not for 'bullseye' |
| 21:24.21 | pcercuei | it complains that the InRelease file is expired |
| 21:31.30 | jelly | !valid-until |
| 21:31.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, valid-until is apt-get/aptitude -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false and/or see https://ftp-master.debian.org/#validuntil |
| 21:31.55 | jelly | pcer... sigh |
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| 21:32.24 | unixbsd | --no-check-gpg or sthg maybe? |
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| 21:34.10 | jelly | dpkg, tell pcercuei about valid-until |
| 21:34.49 | pcercuei | great, thanks |
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| 21:42.30 | pcercuei | building a 5.12 kernel now. Let's see if it works any better |
| 21:42.49 | DJAnonimo | how to get which dev is HDMI deivce? I want to unmount it... |
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| 21:44.48 | jelly | DJAnonimo, a hdmi output does not get a mount point. What are you really trying to do? |
| 21:45.56 | DJAnonimo | I turned off HDMI output with an app called tvservice |
| 21:46.10 | DJAnonimo | I still have audio HDMI in alsamixer |
| 21:46.20 | DJAnonimo | i dont need it at all |
| 21:47.00 | unixbsd | thou can use ~/.asoundrc as work around |
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| 21:47.41 | unixbsd | ~/.asoundrc example: https://termbin.com/bfat |
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| 21:47.55 | DJAnonimo | unixbsd: I want to disable it |
| 21:48.00 | DJAnonimo | unload driver or how it goes |
| 21:48.05 | DJAnonimo | maybe blacklist it? |
| 21:48.18 | DJAnonimo | I already blacklisted onboard soundcard |
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| 21:51.57 | jelly | DJAnonimo, which debian release is this? |
| 21:52.03 | jelly | ,v tvservice |
| 21:52.04 | judd | No package named 'tvservice' was found in amd64. |
| 21:52.13 | DJAnonimo | debian 11 image on raspberry pi 4 |
| 21:52.21 | jelly | actual debian? |
| 21:52.32 | DJAnonimo | debian 11 |
| 21:52.46 | DJAnonimo | debian 10 has too old Network Manager |
| 21:53.06 | jelly | DJAnonimo, and you got the image from debian.org or raspi.debian.net ? |
| 21:53.18 | DJAnonimo | second |
| 21:53.20 | greycat | DJAnonimo: you *really* need to talk to a Pi or ARM channel. This is incredibly specialized stuff that we don't know. |
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| 21:53.40 | unixbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.42 | DJAnonimo | there people usually use raspbian |
| 21:53.52 | jelly | DJAnonimo, see if there's a specific snd-* module in lsmod to blacklist |
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| 21:54.37 | DJAnonimo | jelly: youre right. good idea |
| 21:54.38 | greycat | jelly: he's convinced (because he saw it on the web) that if he runs some magic command to disable the HDMI port it will reduce power consumption even though he's not doing X11 and I have no idea whether he's doing audio or not. |
| 21:54.58 | greycat | So he has this magic command from a third-party repository, and now he's BACK asking MORE questions about it... |
| 21:56.04 | unixbsd | well you can use debootstrap and run debian, clean debian. you just need to have clean /boot config to see the msdos2 ie. ext4. |
| 21:56.25 | jelly | DJAnonimo, actually powering off hdmi out would probably either be done with a custom device tree, or indeed a platform-specific tool |
| 21:56.31 | jelly | !debian-arm |
| 21:56.40 | unixbsd | i already ran ubuntu and devuan for testing by using debootstrap. it is smaller. it works also. |
| 21:56.52 | jelly | DJAnonimo, ask in #debian-arm over on OFTC |
| 21:57.05 | pcercuei | disabling HDMI should be as easy as plugging off the cable |
| 21:57.06 | DJAnonimo | jelly: I powered off HDMI, just it do not turned off hdmi audio |
| 21:57.15 | pcercuei | If the driver isn't stupid it'll put the hardware in low-power state |
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| 21:57.56 | jelly | pcercuei, do you know whethere drivers for r.pi 4 are stupid? |
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| 21:58.10 | pcercuei | jelly: I don't know. I work on MIPS, not ARM |
| 21:58.30 | DJAnonimo | https://paste.debian.net/1196180/ |
| 21:58.33 | jelly | neither do I |
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| 22:00.51 | jelly | DJAnonimo, isn't it kind of impossible to have just audio over hdmi but no video? |
| 22:01.13 | jelly | if hdmi video is off audio will not work |
| 22:02.00 | unixbsd | maybe recompile or blacklist modules |
| 22:02.55 | DJAnonimo | there is a snd called vc4 |
| 22:03.00 | DJAnonimo | and vc4 are hdmis |
| 22:03.05 | DJAnonimo | goin to blacklist itr |
| 22:03.08 | DJAnonimo | *it |
| 22:03.54 | jelly | DJAnonimo, drivers for sound start with snd in the name. |
| 22:04.24 | pcercuei | ok, looks like my laptop is stable on 5.10 if I just blacklist nouveau. That works for me in the meantime |
| 22:04.50 | jelly | does the sr0 issue also go away? |
| 22:05.05 | pcercuei | no, but I don't really care about that :) |
| 22:05.14 | jelly | fair enough |
| 22:05.31 | DJAnonimo | tried with snd_soc_core |
| 22:05.31 | pcercuei | I mean, I can't remember when I last used a DVD |
| 22:05.38 | DJAnonimo | soc is usually onboard stuff |
| 22:06.08 | pcercuei | Thanks for the help, good night! |
| 22:06.31 | dubbie | check out rpi-hdmi.sh on github |
| 22:07.27 | DJAnonimo | whats this.... snd_pcm 114688 4 snd_usb_audio,vc4,snd_soc_core,snd_pcm_dmaengine |
| 22:07.35 | DJAnonimo | there is also vc4 listed |
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| 22:09.00 | DJAnonimo | I disabled video out like is in rpi-hdmi.sh |
| 22:09.12 | DJAnonimo | audio is in alsamixer |
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| 22:13.49 | jelly | DJAnonimo, left side is the module name. Right side are its dependencies. |
| 22:15.34 | jelly | vc4 is an r.pi thing, IIRC that's the video engine and the whole SOC is created around it |
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| 22:16.27 | DJAnonimo | i see |
| 22:18.05 | jelly | DJAnonimo, really, ask #raspberrypi here, or #debian-arm or maybe #debian-raspberrypi on irc.oftc.net |
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