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| 00:21.58 | segamain | possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8125b-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 00:22.12 | segamain | how can I install the firmware ? |
| 00:23.04 | segamain | kjashd |
| 00:24.00 | themill | that one is in firmware-realtek |
| 00:25.27 | segamain | why can't I paste and send ? |
| 00:25.56 | segamain | am I muted |
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| 00:27.57 | segamain | can I somehow automatically install all missing firmware ? |
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| 00:32.26 | abrotman | do you have other messages about missing firmware? |
| 00:32.59 | segamain | yes like 20 or more |
| 00:33.27 | segamain | I ran apt upgrade that's how I found out |
| 00:33.36 | segamain | about the missing firmware |
| 00:34.59 | abrotman | you can put them in paste.debian.net and we can help you. I'm not aware of a utility that matches those warnings to packages |
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| 00:36.18 | abrotman | I guess you could feed them all to apt-file, and install like that |
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| 00:39.04 | segamain | abortman: https://pastebin.com/tbhYyDT4 |
| 00:41.10 | jmcnaught | segamain: you will have better success typing people's nicks if you use <tab> completion. Type the first character or two of a nick, then press <tab> to complete, <tab> also cycles through the options available. |
| 00:41.43 | abrotman | also, I can't open pastebin.com OMG ad blocker .. |
| 00:41.54 | abrotman | (hence why I said paste.debian.net) |
| 00:47.12 | segamain | jmcnaught: what do you mean by nicks ? more detailed pls |
| 00:47.20 | segamain | ahhh |
| 00:47.21 | segamain | ok |
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| 00:48.47 | segamain | abortman: https://paste.debian.net/1196493/ |
| 00:48.52 | segamain | there you go |
| 00:49.30 | abrotman | I mean, I'd guess those all belong to firmware-amd-graphics |
| 00:50.21 | segamain | jmcnaught: How did you know that I'm not using <tab> completion ? |
| 00:50.47 | abrotman | you're still not using it |
| 00:51.27 | jmcnaught | segamain: because you consistently get abrótman wrong |
| 00:51.50 | abrotman | oh, now I'm fancy :) |
| 00:51.53 | segamain | jmcnaught: :D:D:D oofff |
| 00:52.42 | segamain | jmcnaught: you're really aware |
| 00:53.36 | r00tobo | Hi |
| 00:53.48 | segamain | abrotman: ok so when I run 'apt install firmware-amd-graphics' it say's that it's already the newest version |
| 00:54.04 | abrotman | you can try to use apt-file |
| 00:54.08 | r00tobo | do we have a way to fix qt themeing under gnome wayland on debian ? |
| 00:54.17 | abrotman | or your package doesn't have those firmwares |
| 00:55.06 | abrotman | And if all your hardware works, maybe they're not required for proper functionality |
| 00:55.21 | segamain | how do I use apt-file it say's command not found |
| 00:55.36 | abrotman | dpkg: tell segamain about apt-file |
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| 00:56.14 | segamain | dpkg: ? |
| 00:56.14 | dpkg | segamain: are you using Windows? |
| 00:56.25 | segamain | dpkg: no |
| 00:56.25 | dpkg | No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users. |
| 00:59.36 | segamain | dpkg: are you using windows ? |
| 00:59.38 | dpkg | segamain: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:59.54 | segamain | dpkg: whats RTFM |
| 00:59.56 | dpkg | wish i knew, segamain |
| 01:00.24 | jmcnaught | segamain: dpkg is a bot |
| 01:00.33 | segamain | I konw :D |
| 01:00.42 | segamain | somebody get this robot |
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| 01:02.31 | bancroft | is there a way to know what signal was used to terminate a process after the fact? |
| 01:06.32 | sussudio | maybe it was logged. |
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| 01:09.23 | segamain | bancroft: damn in what dilemma are you in ? |
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| 01:21.05 | sussudio | must be a school vacation again, with IRC networks getting DDoSed... |
| 01:23.58 | r00tobo | I fixed the issue by putting QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct in /etc/environment |
| 01:24.16 | r00tobo | and installing qt5ct and modify the themeing |
| 01:24.38 | r00tobo | sussudio: ddosed by kiddies ? |
| 01:25.54 | sussudio | bored ones. happens every time. |
| 01:26.22 | sussudio | christmas vacation is worst. |
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| 01:36.23 | Sevenhill | sussudio: we are in covid19 times, all schools,universities , and other things are closed in most of countries right now , so it is normal for them to get bored :D |
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| 02:00.34 | sappheiros | Should I search any other sites in addition to http://forums.debian.net and StackExchange before asking here? |
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| 02:06.46 | brizz | is anyone familiar with haproxy? (i know there is a channel). I've been trying to figure something out for past 4 hours now |
| 02:07.32 | dvs | !anyone |
| 02:07.32 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 02:11.03 | brizz | I am trying to use HAProxy as a forward proxy for PowerMTA. I've searched all over the net and can't find anything to help. PowerMTA connects to HAProxy and HAProxy connects to mx servers and delivers from the IP HaProxy is served on. It is NOT a reverse or balanced proxy setup |
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| 02:12.58 | sappheiros | For partitioning the disk during installation, does the following imply that if I use the whole volume group then I _cannot_ grow logical volumes later using the LVM tools? "If you use only part of it, or if you add more disks later, then you will be able to grow logical volumes later using the LVM tools". Are logical volumes 'outside of' the volume group used for guided partitioning? |
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| 02:13.51 | sappheiros | For greatest flexibility should I use 50% of the volume group (i.e. my hard drive) for guided partitioning? |
| 02:16.56 | ryouma | (my totally subjective opinjion: lvm shold not be shown to new users. it is just too much extra stuff for them to hav eto learn if they ever hav eto deal with it.) |
| 02:19.15 | sappheiros | I agree. This would bother my mother, who is at least a little interested in switch from macOS to linux. It would be good to ask if the user is complete novice and wants all recommended setups, and if so then to pick reasonable stuff for him. (I went with 50% of my drive, and took a screenshot planning to learn more later.) |
| 02:20.31 | sappheiros | Where is the deb.debian.org mirror located? |
| 02:20.47 | sappheiros | "You should use a mirror in your region" |
| 02:20.56 | ryouma | i am not a complete novice and i do not use lvm precisely because it just adds 3 ;layers and potential edge and corner cases |
| 02:21.32 | sappheiros | https://www.debian.org/mirror/list -- does deb.debian.org pick a mirror for you? |
| 02:21.41 | sappheiros | rather than being a mirror per se |
| 02:22.58 | sappheiros | "geographic proximity often isn't the most important factor for determining which machine will serve you best." then maybe i shouldn't try picking one nearby? :/ |
| 02:23.34 | themill | deb.debian.org is a cdn and makes a good choice for most users |
| 02:24.18 | kwilczynski | Oh indeed. Fastly. I had no idea. :) |
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| 02:40.44 | ASDX | would you say debian supports OS downgrades (of point releases)? |
| 02:41.10 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 02:41.10 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 02:41.37 | ASDX | dvs: thanks |
| 02:41.42 | dvs | np |
| 02:42.06 | oxek | ASDX: not supported does not mean impossible though. |
| 02:42.13 | oxek | you can do it easily |
| 02:42.21 | oxek | it just isn't officially supported |
| 02:42.24 | dvs | ??? |
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| 02:52.45 | ryouma | i tried downgrading x once. took 3mo but i did it. |
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| 03:51.11 | McErroneous | Hi, cant find "ntp-server" in debian squeeze repository, but its beeing referenced by websites.... (apt-get update ; apt-cache search ntp-server .. is not successfull ) Have those packages been removed from the repository ? |
| 03:51.15 | McErroneous | http://www.debianadmin.com/ntp-server-and-client-configuration-in-debian.html |
| 03:52.17 | McErroneous | http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/ |
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| 06:11.57 | McErroneous | Hi, i installed some progams using apt-get..., and a packet lockfile-progs_0.1.15+squeeze got installed..., how do i verfiy which program requieres it in order to run ? |
| 06:12.39 | oxek | `aptitude why <package name>` |
| 06:12.58 | McErroneous | sorry.., not familiar with aptitude... |
| 06:13.15 | McErroneous | i use apt-tools, and dpkg... |
| 06:13.47 | oxek | I don't know what apt-tools is |
| 06:14.02 | oxek | nothing is preventing you from installing aptitude |
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| 06:15.49 | McErroneous | E: no package XXXX, exists..., but it is in /var/cache/apt/archives...., so it must have been downloaded... |
| 06:16.14 | oxek | what's the exact command you ran? |
| 06:16.36 | McErroneous | aptitude why <deb-filename> |
| 06:16.46 | oxek | I didn't say filename, I said package name |
| 06:17.02 | McErroneous | it was.. packet.deb... |
| 06:17.27 | oxek | you probably want to run `aptitude why lockfile-progs` |
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| 06:18.03 | McErroneous | yup.., that worked.... |
| 06:18.15 | McErroneous | it was downloaded with ntpdate... |
| 06:18.25 | oxek | anyway, you really shouldn't be running squeeze for anything |
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| 06:19.10 | oxek | especially if you're using it for ntp, because it has lots of unfixed remote code execution vulnerabilities |
| 06:19.32 | McErroneous | what about the ntp-server packet ? was it removed from the archive-repository ? |
| 06:19.51 | McErroneous | Dr. oxed, is that dangerous like corona is ? |
| 06:20.07 | oxek | are you a troll? |
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| 06:21.07 | McErroneous | oxek: you better dont get close to other people breathing their breath..., because thats dangerous..., thank ou. |
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| 06:23.04 | alex11 | squeeze?! dear god |
| 06:23.12 | alex11 | and some people *complain* debian is too slow! |
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| 06:23.50 | McErroneous | i need the server for my local machines..., dont want to hook them all up to the i-net..... |
| 06:25.42 | McErroneous | should be enough if a single machines get the i-net time..., and the rest of the local net could get the time then , from my local server... |
| 06:26.56 | McErroneous | BBL ( be back later).. |
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| 06:36.03 | McErroneous | Where do i get "ntp-server" to download, IF it has been removed from the archive-repo ? |
| 06:36.29 | somiaj | McErroneous: ntpd? |
| 06:36.31 | somiaj | ,i ntpd |
| 06:36.32 | judd | No package named 'ntpd' was found in buster/amd64. |
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| 06:36.59 | somiaj | ,i openntpd |
| 06:37.01 | judd | Package openntpd (net, optional) in buster/amd64: OpenBSD NTP daemon. Version: 1:6.2p3-4; Size: 57.4k; Installed: 243k; Homepage: http://www.openntpd.org; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/openntpd |
| 06:37.22 | somiaj | McErroneous: note systemd already as an internal service to keep your system up to date with ntp |
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| 06:40.35 | McErroneous | ack. before introducing new stuff by upgrading/updating , i would like to get comfortable with my current system.., i am buffled by all the changes... |
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| 06:41.46 | wowas | Hello! |
| 06:41.53 | wowas | did somthing in Debian 10 change? https://pastebin.com/mRbzaJ2Q |
| 06:42.05 | wowas | i cant ifup the virtual ip?! |
| 06:43.01 | Onepamopa | Hey guys... any ideas on why dhclient would fail to renew IP on reboot (/sbin/dhclient -4 -v -i -pf /run/dhclient.ens18.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.ens18.leases -I -df /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient6.ens18.leases ens18) - it does DHCPOFFER w/o actually binding, but if I kill it and just run dhclient -v (w/o specifying any of the interface and so forth) - it'll start working immediately ? |
| 06:43.29 | Unit193 | ,i chrony |
| 06:43.30 | judd | Package chrony (net, optional) in buster/amd64: Versatile implementation of the Network Time Protocol. Version: 3.4-4+deb10u1; Size: 228.9k; Installed: 498k; Homepage: https://chrony.tuxfamily.org |
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| 06:47.41 | Onepamopa | correction - it receives DHCPOFFER, sends DHCPREQUEST but ... nothing more, just loops offer/request endlessly |
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| 08:21.15 | jelly | wowas, that's an old-style alias, and it works for me on Debian 10, just added an entry for eth0:50 and ifup eth0:50 did the job |
| 08:21.52 | jelly | wowas, pastebin the output of "ip a" and your complete /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 08:23.20 | wowas | jelly, whats the new style? |
| 08:25.09 | jelly | wowas, there ain't one, unless you count "post-up ip a add 10.10.70.200 dev ens19" as "syntax" |
| 08:25.38 | jelly | sorry, ip a add 10.10.70.200/24 dev ens19 |
| 08:25.51 | wowas | well, thats the manual way :-) |
| 08:26.17 | McErroneous | Is there an older version of this Debian-Apt documentation ? (https://buch.dpmb.org/debian-paketmanagement.pdf ) |
| 08:26.19 | wowas | in my pastebin is the part for the networ/interface file, thats correct, right? |
| 08:27.01 | jelly | wowas, the post-up line is a part of /e/n/interfaces iface ... stanza, too, you just put it in the main iface |
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| 08:27.46 | jelly | McErroneous, what do you need old docs for? |
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| 08:29.29 | jelly | you can grab apt-doc package for an old release and have official documentation. Dunno about that German book. |
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| 08:37.03 | McErroneous | how would i do "dpkg -l linux-headers*" , in order to show all installed linux-headers with a single command ? |
| 08:38.11 | lupulo | dpkg --get-selections | grep -i linux-header |
| 08:38.11 | dpkg | selects lupulo's family photos collection |
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| 08:38.32 | Franciman | Hi, I am trying to install nginx |
| 08:38.44 | Franciman | but I get an error that says that the server can't be started |
| 08:38.53 | Franciman | during package configuration, because the porta 80 is already bound |
| 08:39.06 | Franciman | the port* |
| 08:39.14 | lupulo | McErroneous, dpkg --get-selections | grep -i linux-header |
| 08:40.09 | ratrace | Franciman: what else is running on port 80? Run `ss -6lnp` to see |
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| 08:43.43 | Franciman | ratrace, https://paste.debian.net/1196504/ here's the output |
| 08:44.03 | Franciman | a bit uninformative |
| 08:44.09 | lupulo | Franciman, fuser -k -n tcp 80 |
| 08:44.20 | lupulo | and try again |
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| 08:44.47 | Franciman | nothing changed |
| 08:44.54 | Franciman | the output of ss is the same |
| 08:45.05 | ratrace | Franciman: run that ss as root to see the users of the process |
| 08:45.14 | Franciman | oh |
| 08:45.27 | Franciman | uh |
| 08:45.30 | Franciman | looks like I have apache2 |
| 08:45.34 | Franciman | what the hell |
| 08:45.43 | Franciman | thanks |
| 08:46.23 | ratrace | you _can_ have both running. it's not unusual to use nginx as first web server, then apache behind it as some kind of application server, though there's better ways to use such setups |
| 08:47.05 | Franciman | hmm I installed the php package |
| 08:47.05 | Franciman | well if I have apache, I can use apache |
| 08:47.19 | Franciman | I just want to get started with a small env to develop a stupid website in php |
| 08:47.31 | ratrace | "start small", then I'd recommend nginx + php-fpm |
| 08:47.40 | ratrace | whatever you do, do NOT run apache with mod-php |
| 08:47.48 | Franciman | ok :) |
| 08:47.49 | Franciman | thanks |
| 08:47.56 | lupulo | Franciman, apache is robust |
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| 08:54.23 | lupulo | Franciman, do you have tried node.js? |
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| 08:56.05 | Franciman | lupulo, no |
| 08:56.21 | Franciman | I must use php |
| 08:56.25 | Franciman | btw |
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| 08:57.24 | lupulo | php has lost zend company |
| 08:57.25 | lupulo | i think |
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| 08:59.47 | lupulo | Franciman, see apache vs nginx https://symfony.com/doc/current/setup/web_server_configuration.html |
| 08:59.54 | Franciman | thank you |
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| 09:05.41 | ratrace | nodejs is a steaming turdpile. we have a company-wide nodejs ban policy. you're caught using it, you'r fired. |
| 09:06.33 | Franciman | at my company we have a company-wide ban on everything that is not dependently typed |
| 09:07.17 | Franciman | if it does not have dependent function types, it is OUT |
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| 09:48.48 | McErroneous | Hi, is there a way of viewing csync documentation offline with out install csync ? (man-page or similar) |
| 09:49.04 | McErroneous | without installing csync |
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| 10:11.04 | ratrace | McErroneous: there's https://linux.die.net with manpages |
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| 10:11.31 | ratrace | and there's likely an upstream website/repo for each software package |
| 10:12.20 | ratrace | like this one: https://github.com/LINBIT/csync2/blob/master/doc/csync2.adoc |
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| 12:30.21 | sappheiros | Must I unlock my disk with its password every time I boot up the computer, since the drive is encrypted? How often should the computer be turned off or restarted? |
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| 12:31.55 | jelly | sappheiros, with LUKS, yes, you have to unlock on each bootup |
| 12:32.42 | jelly | power cycle, hibernation, reboot = have to unlock |
| 12:33.08 | jelly | ideally you'd have to do it even after sleep, but the infrastucture isn't quite there yet |
| 12:35.29 | EdePopede | https://uk.pcmag.com/old-news/117386/most-sleeping-laptops-vulnerable-to-cold-boot-attacks |
| 12:35.30 | EdePopede | you name it |
| 12:37.35 | McErroneous | Is there a way of closing only the last tab in firefox , from a tty ? |
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| 12:53.09 | McErroneous | Hi, i know there have been some reports on "debian squeeze" about hidden mouse pointer. I have observed this only if a internet connection is active... . Offline i have never experienced this, i think.. |
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| 12:54.27 | McErroneous | but i could be wrong.. |
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| 13:06.37 | EdePopede | "i could be wrong now. but i don't think so." |
| 13:06.41 | EdePopede | looks like kernel http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=61447 |
| 13:07.18 | sappheiros | Instead of "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free" should I enter "deb ftp.us.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free" if in the USA? |
| 13:07.25 | oxek | sappheiros: no |
| 13:07.36 | jelly | sappheiros, you shouldn't |
| 13:07.43 | jelly | !buster sources.list |
| 13:07.43 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 13:08.08 | sappheiros | lol, great, thanks ... "Step 1. Install Debian." "Step 2. Promptly break it." ...... |
| 13:08.18 | sappheiros | i'll just execute the line as is then ... |
| 13:08.21 | oxek | sappheiros: Step 0. read the documentation |
| 13:08.30 | oxek | especially the installation guide |
| 13:08.34 | EdePopede | Step -1. get some coffee. |
| 13:08.35 | sappheiros | I'm trying >_o that's why I asked for confirmation to see if my understanding of the documentation was correct ... |
| 13:08.35 | jelly | noone reads the documentation |
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| 13:08.48 | EdePopede | /nick noone |
| 13:08.49 | oxek | I read it |
| 13:08.50 | sappheiros | I read that using ftp rather than http would be faster during the installation |
| 13:09.06 | jelly | sappheiros, that's very, very out of date |
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| 13:09.09 | EdePopede | even spent half of the night with my new cable box xD |
| 13:09.10 | oxek | are the ftp mirrors even working anymore? |
| 13:09.31 | jelly | I've switched off mine a couple years back |
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| 13:09.46 | jelly | just http now. And https but it's not advertised |
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| 13:10.24 | jelly | hostnames might still have ftp.COUNTRY.debian.org tho |
| 13:10.28 | oxek | sappheiros: another good rule to follow is "Don't change what you don't need to change" |
| 13:10.53 | sappheiros | I can't even paste into XTerm. -_- right clicking doesn't give me a menu to click Paste, and control+v, option+v, command+v doesn't paste ...... quickly getting my "i shouldn't use linux i suck at linux" hairs standing on end |
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| 13:11.13 | oxek | why are you even using xterm? |
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| 13:11.31 | oxek | xterm is not for beginners |
| 13:11.34 | sappheiros | i searched term and it was the result so i thought it was the terminal for debian ....... |
| 13:11.52 | oxek | what desktop environment are you on? |
| 13:12.02 | oxek | (gnome/kde/xfce/lxde/...) |
| 13:13.03 | sappheiros | I'm trying to install the GPU firmware via https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo right now ... might be default desktop, or might be cinnamon. i installed both |
| 13:13.03 | oxek | if you left everything on default, then you're likely on gnome, which means you have gnome-terminal installed |
| 13:14.50 | sappheiros | gnome-terminal appears not to be installed according to Synaptic Package Manager |
| 13:15.14 | sappheiros | instead under Menu > Administration I have UXTerm and XTerm. |
| 13:15.36 | oxek | I don't know how cinnamon is setup on debian |
| 13:16.03 | oxek | if you want to paste, it will either be mouse middle-click, or shift-insert, or ctrl-shift-v |
| 13:16.10 | oxek | but that might be just my custom config for xterm |
| 13:16.54 | sappheiros | .... yeah middle click made xterm unhappy |
| 13:17.44 | sappheiros | ugh there is no ability to paste into XTerm or UXTerm whatsoever |
| 13:18.04 | oxek | there is, it works for me, but I have a custom configuration |
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| 13:19.03 | sappheiros | bash: deb: command not found |
| 13:19.06 | sappheiros | flips the table |
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| 13:19.13 | oxek | deb isn't a command |
| 13:19.27 | EdePopede | C-Ins works here OOTB |
| 13:19.32 | EdePopede | er... S-Ins |
| 13:19.38 | sappheiros | What is Step 2 of https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo saying then? |
| 13:19.47 | sappheiros | oh |
| 13:19.49 | sappheiros | man |
| 13:19.54 | sappheiros | -_- |
| 13:19.57 | oxek | read it carefully |
| 13:19.59 | sappheiros | yep |
| 13:20.15 | oxek | don't just copy paste random things you don't read fully nor understand |
| 13:20.31 | sappheiros | lol i really do suck at linux. i just didn't sleep well, that's my excuse -- was up all night with hip pain |
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| 13:20.59 | oxek | take a step back, and perhaps explain what you're trying to do, and *why* you're trying to do it |
| 13:21.07 | oxek | adding non-free firmware to debian is a single command |
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| 13:23.36 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 13:23.37 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 13:23.40 | sappheiros | how do i open sources.list with saving privileges? ... i'm just trying to install the GPU firmware |
| 13:23.45 | sappheiros | it won't let me save the new line to it |
| 13:24.07 | jelly | sappheiros, either run an editor as root, or sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:24.15 | oxek | `apt edit-sources` |
| 13:24.19 | oxek | `sudo apt edit-sources` |
| 13:24.39 | jelly | E: Could not open lock file /etc/apt/sources.list - open (13: Permission denied) |
| 13:24.46 | jelly | for the first one, oxek |
| 13:24.57 | oxek | yeah, that's why I added sudo |
| 13:25.29 | jelly | sudoedit will let you use a GUI editor if that's your thing |
| 13:25.31 | sappheiros | "[username] is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." |
| 13:25.46 | sappheiros | debian is more difficult than ubuntu |
| 13:25.56 | jelly | you do need permissions to use sudo in the first place, yes |
| 13:25.59 | useless-eater | 0.o |
| 13:26.03 | oxek | sappheiros: you've done some non-standard things during installation |
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| 13:26.23 | sappheiros | all i did was install cinnamon and a few extra package sets in addition to the default packages selected |
| 13:26.44 | jelly | sappheiros, yes, it's more difficult. Ubuntu ships all sorts of non-free firmware by default |
| 13:26.59 | sappheiros | i.e. checking options the installer gave me to add additional things like web server packages |
| 13:27.06 | wintersky | ubuntu provides default preconfiguration |
| 13:27.13 | sappheiros | jelly, but to not even be able to perform sudo ... |
| 13:27.16 | oxek | sappheiros: you also opted to enable root user instead of giving yourself root privileges |
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| 13:27.42 | oxek | it was explained on the installation screen, and in the installation guide |
| 13:27.44 | sappheiros | oxek, oh. i thought i was doing what the installer recommended |
| 13:28.11 | jelly | sappheiros, that's an implicit setting in the installer. If you omit root password, you get sudo rights fom the start. If you enter a root password, you don't get sudo for the first user |
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| 13:28.39 | jelly | if you want those, run "adduser yourusername sudo" as root, then log off and log back on |
| 13:28.49 | sappheiros | i guess i'll just reinstall the darn thing without cinnamon ... i thought it was saying if i didn't put in a root password i'd be running the computer always in sudo mode |
| 13:29.19 | oxek | you don't need to reinstall a debian system ever, unless you want to |
| 13:29.22 | sappheiros | bash: adduser: command not found |
| 13:29.31 | oxek | you can add yourself to the sudo group |
| 13:29.32 | sappheiros | well literally nothing is working right now |
| 13:29.36 | oxek | first you need to login as root |
| 13:29.37 | sappheiros | even commands you tell me are not working |
| 13:29.39 | jelly | sappheiros, open a root shell by doing "su -" |
| 13:29.39 | sappheiros | oh |
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| 13:35.19 | sappheiros | thanks |
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| 13:35.53 | sappheiros | https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo does not clearly say whether to add the entire new line 'contribute non-free' or whether I am to only add those words to the existing line. Could you please clarify which it is? |
| 13:36.13 | oxek | !non-free sources |
| 13:36.13 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 13:36.18 | oxek | read that ^ |
| 13:36.24 | sappheiros | and it appears the accessibility screen Zoom feature is causing HexChat to drop words from lines |
| 13:36.49 | sappheiros | maybe because I'm rendering graphics from CPU rather than GPU |
| 13:37.10 | sappheiros | oh it was the Large Text feature that was causing the HexChat glitch |
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| 13:38.05 | oxek | I don't think cinnamon is known for good accessibility |
| 13:38.37 | sappheiros | yeah after GPU firmware i will try to learn how to switch back from cinnamon to gnome default. the resolution is too small and there's only one setting for it in the Display options |
| 13:39.26 | sappheiros | editing in xterm, must I control+o to save before control+x? |
| 13:39.35 | sappheiros | i will search online for an xterm vim manual i guess |
| 13:39.41 | oxek | that's probably the `nano` text editor |
| 13:39.49 | sappheiros | oh, right, the easier one i selected |
| 13:39.52 | oxek | so yes, need to Ctrl-o |
| 13:40.19 | oxek | once you've done that, run `sudo apt update` |
| 13:40.41 | oxek | and then run `sudo apt install firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree` |
| 13:40.42 | sappheiros | "File to insert [from ./]: " it's expecting me to type in the location of some file whose text to insert?! ... |
| 13:41.08 | sappheiros | i guess i'll try putting the /etc/apt/sources.list location, seems probable i'll screw something up |
| 13:41.33 | sappheiros | control+G to get help |
| 13:42.05 | sappheiros | yeah the write out Control+G apparently inserts text from another file, not a means to save the currently edited file |
| 13:42.08 | jelly | maybe don't insert /etc/apt/sources.list into /etc/apt/sources.list ! |
| 13:42.14 | sappheiros | Control+O. not having slept sucks |
| 13:42.28 | sappheiros | exactly jelly, glad I caught myself and realized Control+O was not save |
| 13:42.29 | oxek | you didn't start nano with sudo |
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| 13:43.00 | sappheiros | says ... oh. i thought because i was still in the root shell from su - |
| 13:43.11 | sappheiros | you have to sudo even when entering commands as root? |
| 13:43.14 | oxek | no |
| 13:43.25 | oxek | but nano shouldn't ask you where to save the file, if you have the rights to edit the file |
| 13:43.48 | oxek | what command, exactly, did you run? |
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| 13:44.17 | oxek | also, maybe consider doing this on another day, when you've rested. You seem to be making a lot of mistakes. |
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| 13:44.22 | sappheiros | I ^X and it asked me to save at that time. I ran 'apt edit-sources' while inside su - ('root&PCname') |
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| 13:44.54 | sappheiros | checking in the 'Finder' (is it Nautilus?) i successfully added 'contribute not-free' to the end of those two lines |
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| 13:45.08 | oxek | good, now run `sudo apt update` |
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| 13:46.17 | jelly | sappheiros, it's " contrib non-free" not "contribute not-free", I will assume your autocorrect is messing with irc |
| 13:46.27 | oxek | or maybe run `cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999` and give us the resulting link |
| 13:46.38 | jelly | make sure it's also not messing with sources.list |
| 13:46.42 | sappheiros | :( ;_; my brain autocorrected it because i didn't sleep |
| 13:46.59 | oxek | sappheiros: I strongly advise you stop what you're doing and come to this another time. |
| 13:47.04 | jelly | ^ |
| 13:47.23 | oxek | being *that* tired, and running root commands rarely ends well |
| 13:47.32 | sappheiros | thank you for catching that |
| 13:47.49 | sappheiros | jelly, what do you mean 'make sure it's not messing with sources.list'? |
| 13:48.10 | jelly | did you make the same two typos in sources.list? |
| 13:48.35 | sappheiros | yes, sources.list is the only file i edited. you explained the error messages I was getting before I mentioned them |
| 13:48.40 | oxek | sappheiros: can you paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list somewhere, so we can verify it? |
| 13:49.34 | sappheiros | I've got it now: https://bpa.st/QVTQ |
| 13:50.31 | sappheiros | "If you have a 3-button mouse, the easiest way is to use the standard Unix/Linux shortcut: select the text you want to copy (drag the mouse over it, or double-click to select a word, or triple-click to select a line). Then middle-click to paste the text." This does not work. :( |
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| 13:51.08 | sappheiros | yes it does |
| 13:51.18 | sappheiros | i just had to literally do it, instead of trying to control+c then middle-click |
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| 13:51.51 | sappheiros | executing apt-get install firmware-amd-graphics libgl1-mesa-dri libglx-mesa0 mesa-vulkan-drivers xserver-xorg-video-all now |
| 13:51.59 | oxek | I wouldn't |
| 13:52.03 | sappheiros | not sure if i need all of those -- i thought i only needed firmware-amd-graphics but .... darn. |
| 13:52.19 | sappheiros | that's what https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo said to do |
| 13:52.21 | jelly | sd 2:0:9:20: Attached scsi disk sdfm ... so. many. scsi. disks. |
| 13:52.25 | oxek | I'd run this instead `sudo apt install firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree` |
| 13:52.39 | oxek | jelly: nice, it rolls over |
| 13:52.51 | oxek | I wonder if the tooling around all that can handle it |
| 13:53.23 | jelly | it doesn't help that this controller presents 12 paths for each disk (LUN) |
| 13:53.32 | sappheiros | oxek, that includes firmware-amd-graphics? i'd assume so, but i shouldn't assume today |
| 13:53.33 | oxek | so much documentation has a line like "/dev/sdX, X being a single letter" |
| 13:53.43 | jelly | 3 disks and you're already over sdz into sdaa, sdab |
| 13:53.45 | oxek | sappheiros: it does, it pulls it as a dependency |
| 13:54.50 | sappheiros | jelly, that longer command had "37.5 MB of additional disk space will be used", whereas oxek's has "46.7 MB" |
| 13:55.02 | sappheiros | oxek, are you basically helping me install other stuff like YouTube video playing firmware etc? |
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| 13:55.19 | sappheiros | mp3 or mp4 codecs etc? |
| 13:55.20 | oxek | "youtube video playing firmware"? |
| 13:55.35 | sappheiros | i'm giving a rough example of other things people like to do with their computers that requires non-free stuff |
| 13:55.49 | oxek | those two packages have 'firmware' in the name |
| 13:55.57 | sappheiros | i.e. it looks like you're having me install more than the AMD graphics and i wondered oh okay fine |
| 13:56.13 | sappheiros | the controversy over all this non-free stuff is only that we don't have permission to modify it, right? |
| 13:56.28 | oxek | it means it does not follow dfsg |
| 13:56.30 | oxek | !dfsg |
| 13:56.30 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 13:56.42 | sappheiros | thanks |
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| 13:58.11 | sappheiros | setupcon is missing. Please install the 'console-setup' package. |
| 13:58.11 | sappheiros | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/vega20_asd.bin for module amdgpu |
| 13:58.25 | sappheiros | I installed console-setup; how do i verify this vega20 firmware is installed? |
| 13:58.42 | sappheiros | i ran oxek's code a second time but it says 0 upgraded etc (i.e. nothing more was installed) |
| 13:59.07 | sappheiros | about 15 vega20 bin's |
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| 14:00.42 | jelly | judd, file amdgpu/vega20_asd.bin |
| 14:00.48 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 14:00.53 | jelly | judd, file amdgpu/vega20_asd.bin --release buster-backports |
| 14:00.55 | judd | Search for amdgpu/vega20_asd.bin in buster-backports/amd64: firmware-amd-graphics: lib/firmware/amdgpu/vega20_asd.bin |
| 14:01.17 | jelly | sappheiros, if you're using a kernel from backports, you need to use firmware from backports as well |
| 14:01.35 | jelly | versions of drivers (= kernel) and firmware need to roughly match |
| 14:01.42 | sappheiros | i followed the easy standard install for the most part, unless installing 'web server' and other such optional packages changed it? |
| 14:01.52 | jelly | sappheiros, what does "uname -a" say? |
| 14:02.24 | sappheiros | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.40 | sappheiros | preceeded by Linux PCname |
| 14:02.43 | jelly | that's a regular buster kernel |
| 14:02.57 | oxek | regular buster kernel can use the firmware files from backports |
| 14:02.58 | jelly | unusual that some fw is missing from the fw packages |
| 14:03.16 | oxek | not unusual, quite common in fact |
| 14:03.18 | jelly | sappheiros, eh. Reboot and see whether this is enough |
| 14:03.20 | sappheiros | i suppose i should log out and log back in to see if the graphics will switch over to my GPU now? or should i turn off computer again and boot back on? |
| 14:03.31 | sappheiros | you're saying i should reboot, rather than log out and in. okay ... |
| 14:03.40 | sappheiros | i'm already sick of entering my long decryption password -_- |
| 14:03.47 | sappheiros | i didn't know it would make me type it every time the computer turns on |
| 14:04.09 | jelly | keep typing it in, you're going to learn it by rote soon |
| 14:04.29 | oxek | reboot and come back, I know how to fix your problem afterwards |
| 14:04.30 | jelly | I know my 25 character one. |
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| 14:05.27 | oxek | it already sounds like a very unusual installation, if console-setup is not installed... |
| 14:05.40 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 14:05.53 | oxek | yeah |
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| 14:08.57 | sappheiros | it's prettier now, and didn't give me the CPU-because-firmware-missing warning in top right corner |
| 14:09.08 | sappheiros | any idea why HexChat is failing to identify my nick with SASL? |
| 14:09.18 | oxek | ask in #freenode |
| 14:09.28 | oxek | you're still missing the right gpu firmware |
| 14:09.32 | sappheiros | :( |
| 14:09.44 | oxek | ideally, you'll change your /etc/apt/sources.list to have these 4 lines https://0x0.st/-BcY.txt |
| 14:09.53 | oxek | you really don't need anything else in sources.list |
| 14:09.58 | oxek | then run `sudo apt update` |
| 14:10.08 | jelly | oxek, you can't know whether they're missing firmware until you see their new dmesg |
| 14:10.16 | oxek | then run `sudo apt -t buster-backports install firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree` |
| 14:10.27 | jelly | that might not be needed. |
| 14:10.30 | oxek | jelly: the buster package does not contain the file they need |
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| 14:10.44 | oxek | the buster-backports package does |
| 14:10.49 | jelly | oxek, that W: isn't necessarily a file they need |
| 14:11.00 | jelly | that's a generic check from update-initramfs. |
| 14:11.34 | sappheiros | lol i feel like a dog looking anxiously between the adults wondering what to do |
| 14:11.41 | jelly | the check looks for ALL the possible firmware bits for ALL THE CARDS |
| 14:11.49 | sappheiros | "what are they talking about" "they seem to be disagreeing" "what should i do" |
| 14:12.08 | jelly | sappheiros, do things work well now? |
| 14:12.22 | oxek | sappheiros: we're not really disagreeing, I'm just skipping a few steps whereas jelly is doing it one step at a time and being more careful |
| 14:13.03 | jelly | no no, we're duking it out |
| 14:13.10 | oxek | bring it on! |
| 14:13.27 | sappheiros | sudo apt install firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree -- should I run this again to see if any firmware for this sapphire pulse Radeon RX580 is missing? |
| 14:13.56 | oxek | sappheiros: ideally, you'd look through the output of `sudo dmesg -H` now and try to spot if it says anything about missing firmware |
| 14:14.18 | jelly | sappheiros, no, look at "dmesg" output to see if the actually running driver is still missing firmware for your actually present card |
| 14:14.20 | sappheiros | yay, first i'ma "man dmesg" and look for -H because i RTFM >_> |
| 14:15.06 | oxek | the -H makes error messages red and has a few other nice things for humans |
| 14:15.30 | sappheiros | DMI: To Be Filled By O.E.M. To Be Filled By O.E.M./X570 Phantom Gaming 4, BIOS P3.40 10/21/2020 |
| 14:15.34 | sappheiros | ^ am I missing DMI? |
| 14:15.36 | sappheiros | what is DMI ... |
| 14:16.01 | oxek | you can ignore that one |
| 14:16.03 | sappheiros | [ +0.000002] MTRR default type: uncachable -- i dunno what this is but 'uncachable' seems not good |
| 14:16.24 | oxek | you can ignore that one too. try to search for firmware |
| 14:16.25 | sappheiros | [ +0.000008] ACPI: Early table checksum verification disabled -- i dunno if that should be like that ... |
| 14:16.59 | sappheiros | [ +0.000080] No NUMA configuration found |
| 14:17.12 | sappheiros | [ +0.000200] Zeroed struct page in unavailable ranges: 19033 pages |
| 14:17.21 | oxek | none of those have 'firmware' in it... |
| 14:17.40 | sappheiros | should I execute 'sudo dmesg -H | grep firmware'? |
| 14:17.42 | ksk | sappheiros: https://paste.debian.net also, take a look at https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/x86/mtrr.txt |
| 14:18.04 | ksk | nevermind the latter, if you already did ask a meaningful question already.. |
| 14:18.59 | sappheiros | Oh! I was meaning to ask about this on the debian forums later, but I'm still getting this error when booting up the PC, and it appears here in dmesg -H also: |
| 14:19.08 | sappheiros | [ +0.000000] do_IRQ: 1.55 No irq handler for vector |
| 14:19.35 | ksk | sappheiros: Do you actually have a problem / question? "things I dont understand in dmesg" is not a bad thing, per se. |
| 14:19.37 | oxek | you could spend an entire university course going through each line of dmesg output... |
| 14:20.47 | sappheiros | sudo dmesg -H | grep firmware doesn't report any clear errors, though it only shows polaris10 stuff, not the vega lines from earlier |
| 14:20.47 | jelly | there's all sorts of crap in there |
| 14:21.21 | jelly | sappheiros, that's because your card is a polaris thing, so it doesn't need missing firmware for the vrga thing |
| 14:21.24 | jelly | vega* |
| 14:21.29 | sappheiros | i dunno if vega is even relevant for me though. i dunno what the Radeon RX580 or Ryzen 7 3700X needs to work well with debian |
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| 14:21.40 | jelly | so it does not matter TO YOU that the firmware for vega is missing |
| 14:21.45 | sappheiros | cool |
| 14:22.04 | sappheiros | but oxek says i'm still missing something from a backport? |
| 14:22.13 | jelly | but the driver is the same for like 5-6 generations of AMD GPUs, it needs to know about all the firmwares |
| 14:22.24 | oxek | sappheiros: ignore me then, there are no relevant errors in your dmesg |
| 14:22.38 | jelly | you'll get that W: warning every time you get a new kernel |
| 14:22.58 | jelly | but now you know you may ignore it, it does not apply to your hardwawre |
| 14:23.14 | sappheiros | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib non-free -- do i need to install security firmware? ... |
| 14:23.40 | jelly | if there was a security release of the firmware, you would have already installed that |
| 14:23.58 | oxek | jelly: they didn't have 'contrib non-free' in their original sources.list for the debian-security line |
| 14:24.00 | jelly | keep that repo line with contrib and non-free, yes |
| 14:24.38 | jelly | I'd go as far to say to add " contrib non-free" to ALL the repos from debian.org |
| 14:24.47 | oxek | ^ agreed |
| 14:24.59 | oxek | if you add it to one, you should add it to all |
| 14:25.19 | sappheiros | would that make everything "a bit nicer" like Win/Mac users are accustomed to? |
| 14:25.26 | sappheiros | i wonder what i'm missing, in other words |
| 14:25.36 | oxek | you're missing a good sleep |
| 14:25.52 | sappheiros | maybe i should drink coffee |
| 14:26.39 | oxek | heh, I already brew my coffee with redbull instead of water and add ground caffeine pills to it |
| 14:26.55 | oxek | I do not recommend it |
| 14:27.31 | sappheiros | o_o you serious? |
| 14:27.38 | sappheiros | you're joking >_> |
| 14:28.27 | jelly | you need a consult with Oneiros, sappheiros |
| 14:28.52 | sappheiros | okay, so putting contrib non-free on all six lines of sources.list instead of only the first two ones |
| 14:28.58 | sappheiros | then sudo apt update after i save this |
| 14:29.42 | sappheiros | also reads https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneiros |
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| 14:30.49 | sappheiros | sudo apt-get update = sudo apt update? |
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| 14:31.01 | jelly | they're equivalent yes |
| 14:31.57 | jelly | get equals 0 |
| 14:33.12 | sappheiros | lol |
| 14:33.16 | sappheiros | "why not apt+get then?!" |
| 14:34.39 | oxek | `apt` is for interactive use, it gives friendlier output for humans. `apt-get` is for use non-interactively, usually in scripts. |
| 14:34.44 | sappheiros | oh |
| 14:34.45 | oxek | but they both do the same |
| 14:35.00 | sappheiros | thanks ... |
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| 14:58.34 | jhutchins | Same operations, different internals. |
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| 15:12.54 | Azlux | Hi all, I'm maintain a debian repository and I'm aslink myself when I do server update and I need to cut my repo server few time, is there are a http error code I can send to avoid client to have a time-out ? |
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| 15:14.29 | oxek | can you try to rephrase that? |
| 15:16.16 | imMute | Azlux: are you mirroring the official debian repo, are you running your own repo with your own packages? |
| 15:16.26 | Azlux | it's my own |
| 15:17.04 | imMute | okay, what software are you using to manage the repo? |
| 15:17.18 | Azlux | oxek: I have a repo server, and sometime I need to shut the web server. Is there are a better http error for maintenance than timeout. |
| 15:17.23 | Azlux | imMute: reprepro |
| 15:17.37 | imMute | okay, that's the one I've used before. what problem are you having? |
| 15:17.55 | oxek | Azlux: if the server is down, it will not reply with any error codes, the user will just get a timeout |
| 15:18.36 | Azlux | oxek: I have a proxy front of the server, So I can send a http error If I want. |
| 15:18.37 | imMute | oxek: it would be a connection refused if the server is fully down (and there's no DROP-style firewall rule somewhere) |
| 15:18.53 | Azlux | but I didn't find any http error manual on apt. |
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| 15:19.07 | Azlux | hihi apt is a user here :D |
| 15:19.09 | imMute | based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTTP_status_codes#5xx_server_errors 503 seems like the right one |
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| 15:19.41 | imMute | I think just about any error code is going to cause apt to fail the request, so it probably doesn't matter much. |
| 15:20.07 | Azlux | imMute: indeed. 503 look the best. |
| 15:20.08 | oxek | imMute: 'connection refused' requires some device to refuse the connection. You're not gonna get that if things are powered down. |
| 15:20.29 | imMute | oxek: true, I was thinking "down" as in the HTTP server was stopped, not the whole system powered off. |
| 15:20.37 | Azlux | I feel the same, apt will not care of the http error. only print a failure |
| 15:21.33 | Azlux | oxek: I have a very small server as backup with a simple http page in case I stop my main one (vrrp protocol) |
| 15:21.43 | Azlux | That why I'm asking the question :D |
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| 15:38.48 | sappheiros | how do i change from cinnamon back to default debian desktop? |
| 15:39.02 | sappheiros | i'm still searching duckduckgo trying to find a webpage answering it |
| 15:39.20 | oxek | tasksel |
| 15:39.46 | greycat | There isn't a "default desktop". If you have more than one installed, there should be a dropdown menu widget on your login screen (Display Manager) that lets you select a different X session type. |
| 15:40.02 | sappheiros | thanks greycat i'll go look |
| 15:40.04 | greycat | If you want GNOME, then choose GNOME. If it's not installed, see oxek's answer. |
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| 15:40.34 | oxek | they don't have gnome installed, only cinnamon |
| 15:41.22 | oxek | (I know because they were here earlier, and didn't have gnome-terminal installed, nor any other term than xterm & uxterm) |
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| 15:44.41 | jhutchins | cinnamon doesn't have a terminal? |
| 15:45.27 | sappheiros | jhutchins, is it XTerm? |
| 15:45.46 | sappheiros | i selected default packages + optional packages + cinnamon and instead of gnome-terminal I have XTerm and UXTerm |
| 15:46.41 | sney | cinnamon recommends gnome-terminal. did you disable recommends? |
| 15:47.39 | oxek | sney: it's 'gnome-terminal | x-terminal-emulator' |
| 15:47.57 | oxek | and xterm is pulled from something else, probably, hence it already satisfies that recommends |
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| 15:48.44 | sney | that's how that would work, but isn't this a fresh install? |
| 15:49.15 | greycat | not if they've already got cinnamon |
| 15:49.20 | oxek | I don't know how it happened, but that's the best explanation I've come up with |
| 15:50.08 | oxek | greycat: cinnamon is offered in installer during a fresh installation |
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| 15:50.33 | sappheiros | It was a fresh installation and I selected additional things to install including cinnamon, but I did not uncheck any of the default options. |
| 15:51.13 | greycat | We don't know which things were the "defaults" in your particular installer. |
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| 15:51.25 | sappheiros | where are screenshots saved? i thought somewhere in /var |
| 15:51.30 | sappheiros | i took some during the installation |
| 15:51.36 | greycat | The official netinst NOT LIVE for example has GNOME as the default. |
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| 15:53.16 | oxek | something else struck me as odd with that installation - console-setup was not installed by default |
| 15:53.33 | sappheiros | > If you complete the installation, the screenshots can also be found in the directory /var/log/installer/ (after the reboot into the installed system). |
| 15:54.11 | sappheiros | > Could not load image âpartman-auto-lvm_guided_size_0.pngâ. / failed to load input stream for file .... |
| 15:54.34 | sappheiros | is this because my user account doesn't have root privileges by default? |
| 15:54.57 | sappheiros | looks like it |
| 15:55.01 | imMute | sappheiros: what does 'file /var/log/installer/partman-auto-lvm_guided_size_0.png' say about the file? (assuming I got the filename right) |
| 15:55.21 | sappheiros | that it's a screenshot i took of the partitioning process that doesn't apply to the conversation about packages installed |
| 15:55.47 | sappheiros | i was just wondering how i can access files outside of my user folder, like if i need to XTerm 'sudo nautilus' or something (thinking back to Ubuntu) |
| 15:56.07 | sappheiros | Nemo, not nautilus, perhaps ... |
| 15:56.16 | oxek | you really wouldn't run `sudo nautilus` even on ubuntu |
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| 15:57.12 | imMute | sappheiros: give your user permission to those files? or copy them into your user dir and change perms on the copy? |
| 15:57.34 | sappheiros | imMute, yeah, was searching online to see how to do that |
| 15:57.39 | oxek | if `file /var/log/installer/...png` correctly says it's a PNG, then the user has read permission already |
| 15:57.58 | sney | any user should still have read permissions in that dir, yeah |
| 15:58.19 | sappheiros | weird, it's saying i don't oxek -- i can see some of the files in that folder but not those two PNG |
| 15:58.34 | sappheiros | partman, syslog, and Xorg.0.log also have X's on them in addition to those two PNG |
| 15:59.17 | sappheiros | but the installer folder > Properties says "You are not the owner, so you cannot change these permissions." |
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| 16:00.42 | sney | sappheiros: gui file managers are fine for some things, but for troubleshooting and irc help it's best to just use the terminal. |
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| 16:13.05 | jelly | sappheiros, sudo chmod go+r /var/log/installer/* |
| 16:13.35 | jelly | (is what I.M.Mute said already) |
| 16:14.32 | imMute | finds it interesting how people mutilate IRC nicks sometimes... |
| 16:15.07 | sappheiros | imMute, i'd ask you what you mean in #debian-offtopic |
| 16:15.46 | imMute | points at jelly's I.M.Mute people doing "inMute" is also common. do people not have tab complete in IRC? |
| 16:16.19 | oxek | points out that there are so many who don't know about Tab completion anywhere, not even in terminal... |
| 16:17.07 | imMute | hah. true that. |
| 16:17.08 | sappheiros | is glad to see HexChat supports tab-complete |
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| 16:17.35 | EdePopede | as long as you don't map capslock to ctrl and tab to esc |
| 16:18.03 | sappheiros | jelly, that fixed it (i can open the PNG now) thanks. |
| 16:18.43 | jelly | imMute, maybe those also intentionally avoid highlighting you? |
| 16:19.53 | imMute | jelly: ah, I hadn't considered that. the "inMute" ones are always people talking to me though. |
| 16:21.31 | sappheiros | crap. i think i lack bluetooth on this PC. (i.e. no bluetooth M.2 module) |
| 16:21.44 | sappheiros | ... i want to ask you for the UXTerm command but i'll search first ... |
| 16:22.25 | oxek | uxterm command for what? |
| 16:22.38 | sappheiros | "list my PC parts so i can see if bluetooth is installed" |
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| 16:22.52 | sappheiros | might be sudo hcitool -a |
| 16:22.59 | jelly | !what's my hardware |
| 16:22.59 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>. |
| 16:23.15 | dob1 | I don't remember how to kill a python script with killall |
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| 16:23.41 | sappheiros | o_o |
| 16:23.57 | oxek | dob1: pkill? |
| 16:24.01 | jelly | dob1, use pkill -f |
| 16:24.38 | jelly | before that, use pgrep -f until you figure out how to match just the right process |
| 16:25.20 | sigint | htop is really good for killing processes, just highlight the process, press k and select the signal to send |
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| 16:25.28 | sigint | my favorite one is sigint |
| 16:25.59 | oxek | what a surprise |
| 16:26.03 | sappheiros | do i need to look out for anything in particular when buying a wifi/bluetooth card for linux compatibility? |
| 16:26.09 | oxek | sappheiros: yes |
| 16:26.22 | sappheiros | debian specifically in this channel i mean to ask |
| 16:26.24 | dob1 | pkill -f seems to work, so giving the script a unique name can be helpful |
| 16:26.31 | oxek | sappheiros: also yes |
| 16:26.34 | sappheiros | lol |
| 16:27.27 | sappheiros | instead of asking here, would it help people searching online if i first made a thread in the debian forums, and then post answers i get here to that thread, so it can be archived by search engines? |
| 16:27.42 | sappheiros | (and changed it to [Resolved] in the subject after posting the answer) |
| 16:27.47 | oxek | https://www.thinkpenguin.com/ should have things that are guaranteed to work in debian |
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| 16:27.53 | sappheiros | thanks |
| 16:28.05 | sappheiros | ("first" -- i mean after searching the forums and stackexchange) |
| 16:30.29 | oxek | btw the debian forums are not in any way official forums, and not in any way connected to this channel either |
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| 16:32.43 | sappheiros | It was linked from the main debian.org site. :< would it be better to prefer stackexchange to the debian forums? |
| 16:33.21 | greycat | wherever you find correct answers is fine |
| 16:33.51 | sney | stackexchange has some good advice and some bad advice. don't trust them 100%, and don't blindly run any commands from there, but they are a good source of clues |
| 16:33.52 | sappheiros | wondering which has more info on it |
| 16:34.05 | sney | really, manuals are better than forums in general |
| 16:34.06 | oxek | what info are you looking for? |
| 16:35.29 | sney | if you're buying a wifi card, buy intel. they are supported best and there's only 1 driver, so it's not a random nightmare like some cheaper stuff. |
| 16:36.17 | oxek | but firmware... |
| 16:36.27 | oxek | and especially non-free firmware |
| 16:36.30 | sney | there's no choice with wifi anymore |
| 16:36.37 | sney | ath9k is too old to be considered |
| 16:36.44 | oxek | old but works |
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| 16:36.59 | oxek | I don't know what the thinkpenguin devices use nowadays |
| 16:37.16 | sney | hard to find new. if you have one and it still works, great, but nobody is retailing ath9k cards in 2021 |
| 16:37.28 | oxek | wifi is problematic anyway, the spectrum is saturated to you won't get better speeds than ~100Mbps anyway, unless you're somewhere far from a city |
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| 16:44.37 | sappheiros | I was thinking to buy a bluetooth keyboard, but a wired one may be better. and I've got loads of 'how do I ____' questions, being new to debian and still generally sucky with linux |
| 16:45.19 | EdePopede | a lot of them can be answered by reading or just playing already. |
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| 17:22.58 | shtrb | sappheiros, bluetooth works^TM in linux. I personally hate wireless keyboards because of the annoying default auto sleep in them |
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| 17:26.31 | jhutchins | sappheiros: Most wireless keyboards aren't bluetooth. Logitech has some decent ones with a USB adapter, and they just work. |
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| 17:27.05 | jhutchins | shtrb: They don't all do that, but most do. |
| 17:27.28 | jhutchins | Some may detect a sleep state and sleep. |
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| 17:28.56 | shtrb | And that feature is annoying ! |
| 17:31.06 | jhutchins | shtrb: So one extra keystroke to wake it up. |
| 17:31.43 | jhutchins | I never had any lag with my workstation at work. |
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| 17:32.07 | EdePopede | just press your thumb against the control key when picking it up |
| 17:32.30 | shtrb | it's frustrating, it also have annoying wakeup lag |
| 17:32.31 | oxek | you pick up keyboards? |
| 17:32.35 | oxek | that must be exhausting |
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| 17:33.31 | EdePopede | on a desk in front of the monitor there's no need for a wireless keyboard, but when i'm not there i don't want to hold it all the time |
| 17:33.57 | shtrb | A good feature with I think Logitech it would alert you the battery charge level (bluetooth ?) and plasma even had a popup alert once |
| 17:34.16 | EdePopede | the really annoying thing for me is the compact keyboard design, i really would appreciate some more of the usual gaps |
| 17:34.27 | shtrb | imagine EdePopede go around his office with his keyboard in one hand and a PC in the other |
| 17:34.57 | shtrb | EdePopede, there are sane keyboard with space for fingers and not sales designer chopsticks |
| 17:35.02 | EdePopede | is this even still a thing? batteries dying all the time were a reason not to get one until maybe 2 years ago, but i'm still using the 1st set i think |
| 17:35.26 | shtrb | It's my luck |
| 17:35.33 | EdePopede | shtrb, it's a logitech set, nothing special |
| 17:35.47 | shtrb | at least they are recharable |
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| 17:47.10 | ikus060 | I ask the question on #net-snmp, but I see little activity in the channel. So asking here too. Is it possible using command line to get the trap name from a oid ? |
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| 18:32.20 | deadrom | hi |
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| 18:33.29 | deadrom | what's the situation with .11ac and .11ax adapters at the moment? most working, some working, forget all..? |
| 18:34.05 | oxek | deadrom: bad |
| 18:36.11 | jhutchins | ikus060: I think that specialised a question is more likely to be answereed on an smpt mailing list, or possibly the mailing list for your mailer. |
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| 19:06.41 | varaindemian | is kde more stable than gnome? |
| 19:07.01 | jhutchins | varaindemian: No. |
| 19:07.17 | oxek | stable = unchanging? In that case yes, kde is more stable. |
| 19:07.20 | varaindemian | so gnome rmains the most stable |
| 19:07.25 | varaindemian | jhutchins: ^ |
| 19:07.39 | EdePopede | that's not how logic works ;) |
| 19:07.46 | EdePopede | xfce is neat |
| 19:07.50 | oxek | gnome relesed 37 major versions in a few years, they are on gnome 40 now! |
| 19:07.51 | greycat | Just use whichever one you like bst. |
| 19:08.18 | varaindemian | meanwhile I am facing some difficulties in updating it :D |
| 19:08.20 | jhutchins | varaindemian: KDE may not change major versions the same way gnome does. |
| 19:08.22 | oxek | !start a de war |
| 19:08.22 | dpkg | Emacs blows goats! |
| 19:08.23 | varaindemian | https://paste.debian.net/1196571/ |
| 19:08.24 | greycat | And remember that you do not HAVE to use a Desktop Environment. Many of us don't. |
| 19:08.27 | oxek | !start a de war |
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| 19:09.19 | varaindemian | do I face conflicts if I use multiple desktop environemnts? |
| 19:09.23 | somiaj | varaindemian: what do you mean by updating it? Are you trying to install kde from outsdie of debian? |
| 19:09.32 | ValeraRozuvan | greycat: What do you use instead of a DE? |
| 19:09.35 | EdePopede | you can install many, you just use one at the same time |
| 19:09.37 | varaindemian | just sudo apt update |
| 19:09.41 | varaindemian | somiaj: ^ |
| 19:09.43 | somiaj | varaindemian: if you use the debian packages, they can all be installed side/side without conflicts. |
| 19:09.44 | jhutchins | varaindemian: Why aren't you updating from an on-line repo? |
| 19:09.47 | greycat | I use fvwm. Lots of people use either a plain window manager like that one, or the console. |
| 19:09.47 | somiaj | varaindemian: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:10.02 | varaindemian | latest buster |
| 19:10.02 | somiaj | varaindemian: well apt update won't do much, did you mean apt upgrade? |
| 19:10.21 | varaindemian | somiaj: just update, I am trying to perform an update for it |
| 19:10.26 | jhutchins | varaindemian: Did you checksum the iso you downloaded? |
| 19:10.44 | somiaj | varaindemian: the DE's in buster don't get upgrades (outside of some targeted security/bug fixes) |
| 19:10.48 | greycat | 'apt update' only downloads the changes to the list of available packages |
| 19:10.54 | varaindemian | did you see the link I pasted? |
| 19:11.02 | somiaj | varaindemian: all apt update does is just download the package list files, it doesn't actually upgrade anything on your machine. |
| 19:11.03 | jhutchins | Does the concept of "update" mean anything with a disk? |
| 19:11.07 | varaindemian | Yeah, but as you can see it fails.. |
| 19:11.22 | varaindemian | somiaj: I know |
| 19:11.39 | somiaj | varaindemian: oh yea, sorry missed your link, do you really need to use the cdrom sources? |
| 19:11.45 | ValeraRozuvan | What's the future of aptitude? Will apt slowly faze it out? |
| 19:11.48 | greycat | So is this problem COMPLETELY unrelated to your original question about which DE other people should tell you to use? |
| 19:11.52 | varaindemian | somiaj: I don't |
| 19:11.59 | varaindemian | greycat: yes, |
| 19:12.15 | somiaj | varaindemian: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and commentout remove the lines about the cdroms and only use internet sources. |
| 19:12.33 | varaindemian | somiaj: thank you! I'll try it |
| 19:12.41 | somiaj | ValeraRozuvan: afiak they will both be avilable, one isn't going to phase out the other (Debian still has dselect for those who want to use it) |
| 19:13.08 | ValeraRozuvan | dselect -> apt-get -> aptitude -> apt ... right? |
| 19:13.08 | dselect | no idea, ValeraRozuvan |
| 19:13.30 | somiaj | ValeraRozuvan: not really, there isn't a clear chain. |
| 19:14.06 | greycat | dselect and aptitude and synaptic are all "big-ass monolithic administrative tools" with lots going on |
| 19:14.18 | greycat | apt-get and apt are simple command-line tools |
| 19:14.26 | somiaj | ValeraRozuvan: aptitude and apt (via various binaries apt-get, apt-cache) were kinda created in parallell, and apt is mearly another binary for the same apt package that can allow changes to its output which apt-get cannot due to used in so many scripts. |
| 19:14.29 | varaindemian | somiaj: so that was all? |
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| 19:15.00 | varaindemian | somiaj: looks like it is up to date already |
| 19:15.11 | somiaj | varaindemian: In the future, you should start out asking about your actual problem. But yes, you had those in your soruces.list from your install and since you didn't have the cd available when you ran update, it couldn't find it. |
| 19:15.37 | somiaj | varaindemian: yea, debian stable only gets security and sever bug fixes. |
| 19:16.05 | varaindemian | somiaj: Sure. I saw on the web page that there were 2 more cds/dvs. Do I need to just download thoese and complete the update? |
| 19:16.15 | greycat | No. |
| 19:16.19 | varaindemian | Okay |
| 19:16.44 | greycat | If your machine is on the Internet, at least part time, you should just remove all CD or DVD lines from sources.list. You'll never use them. |
| 19:16.47 | somiaj | varaindemian: no, in general I only ever use the 'netinstall' cd, since I download and update all my packages online. Those are only if you want an offline copy, and even then the first dvd ismore than enough. |
| 19:17.18 | somiaj | well more than enough for most people, the packages on the later dvds are not used nearly as often |
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| 19:17.35 | varaindemian | my computer labeled ubuntu compatible (dell) fails miserably with ubuntu 18.04 and 20.04 |
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| 19:17.43 | varaindemian | It just works with debian |
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| 19:18.31 | varaindemian | probably because of the kernel? No idea. Also, how is it debian with nvidia? |
| 19:18.47 | sney | nvidia setup can be annoying the first time but after that it just works |
| 19:18.58 | somiaj | hardware support between them should basically be the same, I would suspect some other issue. |
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| 19:19.19 | somiaj | varaindemian: debian uses free nouveau by default, if you need non-free drivers this requires a bit more work in debian due to debian's stance on non-free |
| 19:19.32 | varaindemian | somiaj: then it's the kernel. Debian is on kernel 4, ubuntu is on kernel 5 |
| 19:20.29 | somiaj | varaindemian: it is most likely something else, unless your computer is acient, a newer kernel should still work on it. |
| 19:20.43 | varaindemian | it's quite new |
| 19:21.08 | varaindemian | i7 9750h |
| 19:21.13 | varaindemian | dell laptop |
| 19:21.48 | somiaj | But this isn't really a ubuntu channel, if you wanted to debug what ubunutu was doing differently. But I dont' think it was at the kernel/hardware support level. |
| 19:22.02 | varaindemian | yeah, true |
| 19:22.07 | varaindemian | just wondering |
| 19:22.15 | varaindemian | since they are both debian |
| 19:22.39 | somiaj | no they are not both debian. |
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| 19:23.13 | somiaj | ubuntu is based on debian, but its core has diverged quite a long ways that outside of using common packages, there is a lot of differences. |
| 19:23.54 | varaindemian | `yeah |
| 19:24.03 | varaindemian | Thank you so much anyway! |
| 19:24.05 | format_c | Exim got reported severe security vulnerabilities. Version 4.94.2 should be fixed. I just upgraded my Debian Server and it shows upgrade to Exim verison 4.94.2 . I chcked packages.debian.org bug the Changelog and Patch-History doesn't really work. How do I know that the security patches are really included in the Debian verison of the package? |
| 19:24.26 | somiaj | format_c: do you have a CVE for this issue? |
| 19:25.24 | format_c | multiple |
| 19:25.57 | somiaj | format_c: well debian clearly tracks them, the most recent CVE I could find from 2021 says debian buster is not effected https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2021-27216 |
| 19:25.58 | sney | it's DSA 4912-1 and there was a d-s-a email about it 2 days ago |
| 19:26.10 | greycat | format_c: you appear to be looking only at the upstream part of the package version number. Debian backports security fixes. |
| 19:26.59 | sney | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/DSA-4912-1 |
| 19:27.00 | somiaj | format_c: https://www.debian.org/security/2021/dsa-4912 (ahh missed this) |
| 19:27.21 | greycat | format_c: also, you appear to be using a non-stable release on your server. This is not advised, and testing does NOT receive security support. |
| 19:27.49 | greycat | (that said, https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2021-27216 claims that the bullseye package is "fixed", so you got lucky) |
| 19:28.08 | format_c | Thanks. Will check out this resource... |
| 19:29.00 | format_c | What does bullseye pakage mean. |
| 19:29.33 | sney | bullseye is the codename for the next debian release |
| 19:29.48 | somiaj | format_c: Debian's security tracker will let you know the status of any know CVEs, this way you can clearly track any CVEs and there current state in debian. |
| 19:29.50 | sney | it's not out yet. if you're running it on a production server, that's somewhat risky |
| 19:30.55 | somiaj | format_c: are you running exim4 from backports? |
| 19:31.14 | format_c | I guess not. let me check |
| 19:31.32 | somiaj | format_c: what is the output of 'apt policy exim4' if you care to share at paste.debian.net |
| 19:33.34 | format_c | http://paste.debian.net/1196574/ |
| 19:34.42 | greycat | So when you said you were using 4.94.2 that was just made up? |
| 19:34.43 | sney | I wonder where you saw 4.94.2 then, but that's debian 10 and it has the security fix according to https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/DSA-4912-1 |
| 19:34.56 | sney | you should remove those stretch sources, too. |
| 19:34.59 | somiaj | format_c: you aren't running 4.92.2, so that is why we were confused. You are running the stable version, which as we showed you is fully patched against those issues. |
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| 19:35.45 | greycat | maybe they've got 2 or more machine, and they mixed them up... |
| 19:36.15 | format_c | Sorry paste error. Version got upgraded to Debian version 4.92-8+deb10u6 |
| 19:36.38 | greycat | !security faq |
| 19:36.39 | dpkg | "The most important guideline when making a new package that fixes a security problem is to make as few changes as possible. ... moving to a new upstream version is not a good solution, instead the relevant changes should be backported." https://www.debian.org/security/faq |
| 19:36.56 | format_c | Just read that the upstream version is 4.94.2 where the issues are fixed |
| 19:38.34 | somiaj | hence why the CVE is more vaulable, track the issue, not the version in debian since debian is a mostly frozen relerase |
| 19:38.45 | greycat | The Debian security team backports fixes to the Debian stable version. |
| 19:39.09 | format_c | OK thanks for the hint. I'll checkout the security tracker. |
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| 19:41.56 | format_c | I see 17 of the affected CVE's being fixed in the Debian version |
| 19:42.00 | format_c | 21 have been reported |
| 19:42.08 | format_c | see which are missing |
| 19:42.47 | somiaj | format_c: the one I shared with your originally didn't effect debian so thus it wasn't needed to be fixed, so you'll either find that debian wasn't affected or due to the threat decided a fix wasn't needed. |
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| 19:50.07 | format_c | ok. good to hear |
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| 19:56.27 | format_c | This is what isn't addressed (I know maybe because Debian isn't affected): |
| 19:57.36 | format_c | https://paste.gnome.org/p5smzvx9s |
| 19:58.27 | sney | you can look those up on the tracker of doom, e.g. https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2021-27216 |
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| 20:08.13 | format_c | Great. Checked all. All are fixed. Interesstingly CVE-2020-28018 is not mentioned under https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/DSA-4912-1 however it's fixed since the latest security update 4.92-8+deb10u6 |
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| 21:07.00 | Hash | So if stable is frozen, and dovecot has seurity issue, dire, which needs fix, go from 2.2 to 2.3, does stable still force an update on you in Debian? |
| 21:07.26 | Hash | I imagine stable to be frozen, and it shouldn't upgrade my dovecot even if it discovered to be insecure. |
| 21:07.37 | Hash | My logic is, Stable is frozen. Frozen means frozen. |
| 21:07.50 | Hash | Am I correct in my thinking/assumption? |
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| 21:12.47 | Mister00X | Hash: no you will receive security fixes |
| 21:13.31 | Mister00X | but the update will be something like 2.2 -> 2.2-dsfg1 |
| 21:13.43 | Mister00X | propably |
| 21:16.07 | Mister00X | but in generel if you dont have unattended-upgrades installed/configured/activated debian will not force upgrades on you |
| 21:16.52 | Mister00X | so you will get the fix when you issue apt update && apt upgrade but not because debian does it unasked |
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| 21:18.12 | sney | Hash: it is *extremely* rare for stable to get full version upgrades. if it's required due to a dire security issue, then it could happen, but it's much more likely that the debian package will receive a cherry-picked patch from the upstream release, rather than the whole thing |
| 21:18.16 | sney | !security faq |
| 21:18.16 | dpkg | "The most important guideline when making a new package that fixes a security problem is to make as few changes as possible. ... moving to a new upstream version is not a good solution, instead the relevant changes should be backported." https://www.debian.org/security/faq |
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| 21:26.39 | ryouma | there are a few packages whose purpose is to get the latest. and only a couple of packages that upgrade instead of backporting security issues. |
| 21:28.11 | ryouma | i am not sure but e.g. w3m-el-snapshot, firefox-esr might meet those criteria. idk what firefox does about its companion add-on packages. |
| 21:28.55 | Hash | Hang on guys, brb. Thanks for info |
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| 21:32.40 | ryouma | but to answer your security question, debian is big on security so you will get upgrades for those. usually in the backport form that preserves your version. |
| 21:34.07 | longshot | Is it possible to pass a preseed file to debootstrap? |
| 21:34.42 | ryouma | (oh Mister00X said that) |
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| 23:39.17 | doubletwist | Is there a way in dpkg or apt to install a local file but only if it is newer? ie. an upgrade-only option but where it will install if it's not installed at all? |
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| 23:42.54 | sussudio | !confuse doubletwist |
| 23:42.54 | dpkg | Yes, them is your snake yesterday, doubletwist? Shirts of the People's Republic of Swaziland with extra crabpaste. |
| 23:43.46 | dvs | Sounds like a configuration file problem. |
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| 23:46.47 | mutante | apt-get install --only-upgrade <packagename> ? |
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| 23:50.12 | doubletwist | mutante: does that work for local files (not from a repo) |
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| 23:59.01 | mutante | doubletwist: apt install works with a path to a local file at least |