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| 02:37.26 | KNERD | I did "apt source xfce4" and all I got is a total of 9 files and two directories. Where is the source? |
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| 02:39.49 | sney | in one of the packages that it depends on, likely xfce4-session. see also tracker.debian.org/xfce4 |
| 02:41.28 | somiaj | note most likely xfce4 isn't the source package you want, that is just the source for the meta package |
| 02:42.27 | somiaj | yea, looks like that source is going to split into multiple source packages for all the xfce4 components |
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| 02:46.30 | wlxmhls | hello! Anyone knows which package contains cc++ in Debian? I got error message "cc++/thread.h: No such file or directory" |
| 02:49.26 | sney | !headers |
| 02:49.26 | dpkg | Trying to compile something from source, and the build script says it can't find a dependency you are sure you have installed? You need header packages, which have the -dev suffix. For instance, if it thinks python3 is missing, install 'python3-dev'. See <build-essential>. |
| 02:49.26 | dvs | wlxmhls: looks like libboost-thread-dev |
| 02:49.37 | sney | !apt-file |
| 02:49.37 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "apt install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 02:51.12 | KNERD | Okay, thanks. Odd they woudl split it up like that for XFCE4 |
| 02:52.26 | somiaj | KNERD: I think that is fairly standard with DEs, they are often built from vairous components. |
| 02:52.56 | somiaj | KNERD: https://github.com/xfce-mirror -- xfce splits them up like that, so each source needs its own source package |
| 02:53.34 | KNERD | oh, okay. thansk for the explanation |
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| 02:53.59 | somiaj | this is why DEs aren't backported, they are a pain (if that is what you are trying to do) |
| 02:54.04 | somiaj | KNERD: btw, what is your goal here? |
| 02:54.45 | KNERD | I want to learn to build various .deb packages then customize them |
| 02:55.09 | somiaj | good goal, have you read the matainers guide? Though I would suggest starting with something less complicated than a DE. |
| 02:55.10 | wlxmhls | dpkg dvs apt-file works fine. Thank you! |
| 02:55.11 | dpkg | wlxmhls: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:55.16 | somiaj | !nmg |
| 02:55.16 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (https://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (https://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. https://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 02:55.43 | somiaj | wlxmhls: dpkg is our friendly bot that contains factoids for people to save us having to type them out again (: |
| 02:55.46 | KNERD | somiaj: started on it. I guess I shoulf read it more |
| 02:56.23 | somiaj | KNERD: just sharing it in case you haevn't seen it, but here I think you just picked a far to complicated system to work with at the start since it is at least a dozen innerconnected packages. I personally started by complinging my window manager |
| 02:57.28 | KNERD | Yeah it is. I tried cinnamon the other day, and it compiled everythign except the cinnamon-desktop main package |
| 02:57.57 | somiaj | still a big desktop, though might not be as split apart as xfce is |
| 02:59.44 | Unit193 | Xfce is also not as tightly connected, you can basically pick up any of the plugins and backport them to buster. |
| 03:00.04 | Unit193 | thunar plugins a little less so, but panel plugins are pretty safe. |
| 03:01.36 | KNERD | I really don;t like that idea of "backport" but I guess you gotta do it sometimes |
| 03:04.54 | somiaj | KNERD: It is only needed if your desire is to run newer software on debian stable. |
| 03:05.28 | somiaj | KNERD: backporting is just a very common reason to want to take a debian source and rebuild it (though changing configuration options, adding patches, is also a good use) |
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| 03:06.00 | somiaj | though my experience here is far more wanting to backport vs wanting to change build time options. |
| 03:07.04 | KNERD | yeah, thanks |
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| 03:09.19 | Unit193 | I kind of do both, or updating packages. |
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| 03:17.06 | KNERD | Maybe I will try playing around with pastbininit and have it include a paste site of myu own |
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| 03:21.30 | KNERD | Seem more simple than a DE? |
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| 03:23.28 | somiaj | KNERD: that should be a straight forward project and wont' require to much since it a far simpler source |
| 03:24.11 | s3a | ectospasm, I asked there too, but no one answered. :( |
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| 04:07.26 | longshot | systemctl status says "starting". How can I tell what it's waiting for? |
| 04:12.02 | somiaj | longshot: you don't see any other information beyond that? Where does it say starting (in the output log?) |
| 04:12.24 | longshot | it has a big list of processes |
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| 04:12.39 | longshot | which output log? |
| 04:15.06 | somiaj | oh I thought you were looking at a particular unit. |
| 04:15.33 | longshot | no, just `systemctl status` |
| 04:15.41 | somiaj | so systemctl status says your state is still starting? |
| 04:15.49 | longshot | yeah |
| 04:16.06 | longshot | it says jobs 8 queued, failed 1 units |
| 04:16.09 | somiaj | systemd-analyze blame does that list some unit with a very long start time? |
| 04:16.14 | longshot | I know what failed, but I don't know what's queued |
| 04:16.36 | somiaj | could it be the queued services depend on the failed one, so they won't start until the failed one starts correctly? |
| 04:16.43 | longshot | systemd-analyze says bootup is not finished and won't tell me anything. |
| 04:17.07 | somiaj | what service failed? |
| 04:17.54 | longshot | it's a custom one that I made and I know why it fails...that's an entirely separate conversation. |
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| 04:19.51 | somiaj | do you see anything with 'systemctl list-jobs'? |
| 04:20.58 | longshot | ok, it says systemd-time-wait-sync.service is running... |
| 04:21.07 | longshot | how can I see the list of processes that are part of that service? |
| 04:21.39 | somiaj | just systemctl show that service or go check its unit file. That service is waiting for some action and maybe other services won't start until that one is done |
| 04:21.57 | somiaj | or just systemctl status that service to see what is up with it at this moment |
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| 04:25.02 | longshot | checking the unit file would show the command it runs, but that's not the same thing as the processes it's running. |
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| 04:25.27 | longshot | how can I tell/change which ntp server systemd is using? |
| 04:25.27 | somiaj | well that could help you find the process, or just check systemctl status unit and see where it is at |
| 04:25.42 | somiaj | you can also use journalctl -u unit, to get any current logs |
| 04:27.56 | jmcnaught | /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf |
| 04:28.08 | longshot | jounralctl just says the log is incomplete and "adjtime state 5 status 40" |
| 04:28.11 | longshot | jmcnaught: thanks |
| 04:31.22 | ihclark | I just bought a Blue Snowball Ice, hooked it up for the first time and went to start a voice call, and nothing, no audio recorded, no audio played backonly seems to happen when I have the snowball Mic active as the same time as my USB DAC, if I switch to onboard audio everything is fine, and when the issue occurs DMESG is flodded with 'cannot submit urb 0, error -28: not enough bandwidth' |
| 04:32.30 | ihclark | nothing popped up in Google for that error, but I am seeing grumblings of using multiple USB soundcards at once being a headache, any advice? |
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| 05:30.30 | cluelessperson | is there a better way to handle updating servers? |
| 05:30.44 | cluelessperson | rather than just ansible/ssh loop apt update and apt upgrade ? |
| 05:30.56 | cluelessperson | preferably less work than managing the version of each apt package. |
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| 06:09.38 | oxek | cluelessperson: you can keep the services in docker containers, and just move updated containers around |
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| 06:25.05 | truthr | cant get realtek wifi to work with debian install |
| 06:25.19 | truthr | where does debian look in the usb key for the firmware |
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| 06:27.37 | truthr | rtlwifi/rtl8821aefw_29.bin |
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| 06:48.50 | umnor | Hello |
| 06:51.49 | umnor | I am using nginx on debian to do ssl pass-through load balancer and there is no limit_req for stream block so how the server could prevent flood ? |
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| 06:54.33 | probo | hello all |
| 06:55.01 | probo | i have problem with my pendrive |
| 06:55.44 | probo | ls /dev/disk showing /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Phison_2309_PRAM-0:0 -> ../../sdb |
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| 06:56.52 | probo | but when i try fdisk /dev/sdb show fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdb : no medium |
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| 07:00.44 | probo | ls -l /dev/sd* shows sdb |
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| 07:02.30 | alkisg | probo: run `dmesg`, the pendrive may be broken |
| 07:02.37 | alkisg | If you see read/write errors, you'll know |
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| 07:09.36 | probo | dmesg not show errors |
| 07:10.37 | alkisg | !paste |
| 07:10.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 07:10.45 | alkisg | Would you mind pasting it? |
| 07:14.08 | probo | https://paste.debian.net/1197101/ |
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| 07:15.28 | alkisg | True, only some unrelated segfaults there |
| 07:18.56 | probo | can i repair this? I only under windows use transmac to write dmg file and then dont wont up |
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| 07:27.33 | imp | Any good guides to compile/run gnome40 in debian-testing? |
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| 07:29.07 | nkuttler | ,v gnome |
| 07:29.08 | judd | Package: gnome on amd64 -- jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; buster: 1:3.30+1; bullseye: 1:3.38+3; sid: 1:3.38+3 |
| 07:29.25 | nkuttler | imp: you should read the upstream docs |
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| 07:30.01 | imp | nkuttler: could not find one regarding this. Do you know any? |
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| 07:30.32 | nkuttler | imp: no, you probably want to ask gnome support |
| 07:30.41 | imp | nkuttler: thanks =) |
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| 07:45.45 | somiaj | imp: DE's do take a lot of work, once bullseye is released in the next 1-2 months, you'll start seeing new stuff make its way into sid again. |
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| 10:22.56 | deadrom | hi |
| 10:28.32 | deadrom | gparted as root from xfce terminal - gksu does not exist anymore? I xhost+ and export'ed DISPLAY=:0 on the root shell , still tells me cannot open display :0 |
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| 10:29.18 | ratrace | deadrom: exported how? |
| 10:30.27 | deadrom | export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 10:30.33 | ratrace | deadrom: and then? |
| 10:30.39 | deadrom | run gparted |
| 10:30.49 | ratrace | from the same (root) shell? |
| 10:31.15 | deadrom | yup |
| 10:33.08 | gateway2000 | Also could use: pkexec gparted |
| 10:33.54 | ratrace | pkexec wouldn't solve the xorg permission part tho, it's just "sudo-like" executor based on polkit |
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| 10:34.09 | deadrom | what happened to gksu? |
| 10:34.12 | ratrace | but, speaking of, pkexec is now "recommended" instead of long gone gksu, yes |
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| 10:34.55 | ratrace | deadrom: gone. under gnome (and I dunno if this applies to gtk based xfce), one must use admin:// URL, but no idea how that works for starting a program with no specific path in mind |
| 10:34.56 | deadrom | same result. |
| 10:36.24 | deadrom | pkexec /usr/sbin/gparted worked |
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| 11:05.38 | xormor | this is my MATE desktop in Debian: https://shelli.pw/~pamipetteri/blogi.html#MATE_desktop |
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| 11:22.44 | oosk | Hello what should I do with these errors please ?https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HjvrbNSjKv/ |
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| 11:23.19 | alkisg | Woah, ok, that's a lot of spamming oosk :) |
| 11:23.24 | mtcdood | I've got a web server behind a reverse proxy and I'm trying to minimize the possibilities of that web server's IP being exposed. |
| 11:23.24 | alkisg | !ubuntu |
| 11:23.25 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 11:23.56 | mtcdood | I have an SSL certificate installed so naturally if you go to the server's IP directly it exposes the hostname. |
| 11:24.08 | oosk | Sorry yall |
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| 11:24.13 | mtcdood | How can I undo this? The snakeoil cert exposes the hostname as well. |
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| 11:25.10 | jelly | mtcdood, make your reverse proxy terminate SSL itself, and establish a new connection to the backend (your server) |
| 11:25.25 | mtcdood | I don't think you're understanding the issue. |
| 11:25.49 | mtcdood | If people visit the IP address directly (randomly or through a good guess) they see the hostname in the certificate details. |
| 11:25.55 | mtcdood | That's what I'm trying to undo. |
| 11:26.29 | jelly | why is the backend visible from the internet? |
| 11:26.30 | ratrace | or use cloudflare |
| 11:26.51 | mtcdood | How do I make the backend not available from the Internet? |
| 11:27.05 | ratrace | firewall it |
| 11:27.07 | mtcdood | Block everything except Cloudflare IPs? |
| 11:27.23 | ratrace | also, you can have a dumb name self signed cert as _default_ for the IP, and use proper for publicly accessible hostnames |
| 11:27.33 | ratrace | the snakeoil thing is just something debian packaging autocreates |
| 11:27.35 | mtcdood | How do I rename the SSL certificate for the IP? |
| 11:27.37 | jelly | mtcdood, if you have a public frontend, simply firewall all the access and let only the requests from frontend pass |
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| 11:28.29 | jelly | also, you can have multiple VirtualHosts on the server and only the default one will be exposed to SSL requests with incorrect SNI |
| 11:28.36 | jelly | (= IP address, for example) |
| 11:29.00 | jelly | but... if you have a frontend, let only the frontend access the backend |
| 11:29.18 | mtcdood | My understanding is the first configured one (lexographically sorted) is exposed, so in this case 000-default-ssl.conf which is default-ssl.conf |
| 11:29.40 | mtcdood | Firewalling it is probably the correct choice but it's a lot of work and I don't really know how to automate it. |
| 11:29.48 | ratrace | only if you use the default setup which includes from a dir |
| 11:30.13 | jelly | you can configure apache however you like, with 1 or more VirtualHosts |
| 11:30.31 | jelly | (assuming this is apache based on that file name) |
| 11:30.39 | ratrace | and force whichever config to be _first_ and defualt or whatev |
| 11:30.52 | jelly | I keep the first vhost an empty one. |
| 11:30.55 | ratrace | afk's to lunch |
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| 11:31.11 | jelly | noone's home, no services here (unless you guess the right hostname!) |
| 11:31.39 | mtcdood | I figured I'd just throw up the default shipped HTML file on the default virtual host |
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| 11:32.02 | mtcdood | I'd like to do both, firewall and dummy SSL certificate |
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| 11:35.06 | mtcdood | https://wiki.debian.org/Self-Signed_Certificate |
| 11:35.21 | mtcdood | I generated a new certificate and am using that atm |
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| 11:47.08 | mtcdood | https://github.com/Paul-Reed/cloudflare-ufw |
| 11:47.20 | mtcdood | I'm using this to disallow all but CloudFlare IPs |
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| 13:02.12 | hegemoOn | hello, |
| 13:02.25 | hegemoOn | my apt is stuck on dpkge --configure -a |
| 13:02.32 | hegemoOn | about apt 1.8.2.3 install |
| 13:02.41 | hegemoOn | how can i remove this ? |
| 13:02.50 | hegemoOn | since then i cannot install any package |
| 13:03.03 | hegemoOn | forcing me to dpkg -configure -a which hangs |
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| 13:06.31 | oxek | hegemoOn: what led to this? |
| 13:10.33 | jelly | hegemoOn, can you strace that stcuk dpkg process |
| 13:10.51 | jelly | strace -ff -p pid-of-dpkg |
| 13:11.59 | jelly | or see if it has any children, pstree -pa pid-of-dpkg |
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| 13:20.25 | j`ey | i thought 'dpkg-buildpackage -b'.. would build a .deb, but I dont have one? |
| 13:21.37 | j`ey | ok weird, it puts it in the dir above the current one.. |
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| 13:25.54 | hegemoOn | jelly: |
| 13:26.09 | hegemoOn | stat /var/lib/dpkg/info/apt.postinst |
| 13:26.51 | hegemoOn | and as subprocess sh on test /usr/lib/needrestart/dpkg-status |
| 13:27.22 | jelly | hanging on stat() would mean filesystem issues |
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| 13:28.07 | jelly | look at dmesg |
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| 13:34.54 | hegemoOn | i have on repo on an nfs share |
| 13:34.57 | hegemoOn | which is hanging |
| 13:35.02 | hegemoOn | would it be this ? |
| 13:38.54 | hegemoOn | isn't a infinite loop to update apt which is broken and dpkg -configure -a ? |
| 13:39.13 | hegemoOn | and if i remove apt ... |
| 13:39.18 | hegemoOn | im quite lost too |
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| 13:54.04 | hegemoOn | dman |
| 13:54.15 | hegemoOn | apt install -y is ok ? |
| 13:54.16 | apt | hegemoOn: okay |
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| 13:59.59 | jelly | unless those exact paths are on nfs, no |
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| 14:00.24 | jelly | do not remove apt, either |
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| 14:01.11 | jelly | hegemoOn, are you able to kill those sstuck processes, do they die? |
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| 14:14.20 | hegemoOn | yes |
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| 14:25.58 | jelly | no idea then. maybe pastebin complete output of strace dpkg --configure -a, until it starts looping/hanging |
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| 15:15.01 | Lope | ratrace, do you remember some months ago I had trouble with a USB3 hub with gigabit ethernet port, it would die during extended file transfers or iperf runs? |
| 15:15.48 | Lope | Previously I theorized that maybe it had a voltage drop problem, along the lines of stuff heating up as it did work, and eventually the voltage dropped too low etc. |
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| 15:16.09 | Lope | But at the time I even backpowered it with a solid 5.1v and the issue persisted. |
| 15:17.37 | Lope | So my remaining theory was overheating. So I've tested that now, did a long file transfer at gigabit speed with the PCB removed from the case. It turns out that the USB3 network chip gets quite hot, within a minute it gets to about 60C with the case off. So after like 15 mins with the case on and in close proximity to the chip and zero airflow, it must have been getting too hot. |
| 15:18.39 | Lope | In my testing previously, I could for example only do a 40GB transfer if it was stone cold from being off all night, and then only do one such transfer, thereafter it was too hot or whatever to do even like 7GiB worth of transfer. |
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| 15:22.27 | digitalD | @Lope s/must/may ... overheating might be your issue - but your haven't proven it - its just your working theory right now. You should be able to test by measuring the ambient temperature and getting it to fail - then add a fan or other heat dissipation method - and see if the behavior changes. |
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| 15:23.43 | Lope | digitalD, yeah, I could stick some foam on the chip to insulate it, and stress test to confirm it fails. |
| 15:23.52 | Lope | Then put a fan on it and repeat |
| 15:24.04 | digitalD | there you go. I like it. |
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| 15:24.30 | Lope | I mean 60C doesn't seem like a failure temp for a network chip |
| 15:24.42 | Lope | But perhaps it was reaching 100C with the case on, no idea. |
| 15:24.59 | digitalD | right - more work to be done to prove the theory. But it |
| 15:25.00 | Lope | I know going over 80C a lot of oldschool CPUs would crash. |
| 15:25.11 | digitalD | is a good theory |
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| 15:26.11 | digitalD | you measured 60c max? without the case. a near 50% increase in temperature with the case would be ... embarassing. |
| 15:26.26 | digitalD | but ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 15:27.05 | sney | it's probably just cheap junk with less heat tolerance than something better quality |
| 15:27.18 | digitalD | party pooper ;) |
| 15:27.19 | sney | could always try one of those lil rpi heatsinks |
| 15:27.35 | Lope | sney, sure, I'll probably epoxy on some metal |
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| 15:27.55 | Lope | it's got to be thin because there's only a few mm of clearance under the PCB |
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| 15:29.38 | Lope | digitalD, the network chip has no heatsink, open air provides much more cooling than being 3mm from a flat plastic surface inside a sealed box. |
| 15:29.53 | Lope | air is an insulator |
| 15:30.28 | Lope | And also with such little volume of air trapped between the PCB and the bottom of the plastic case, that air will heat up quickly. |
| 15:31.17 | digitalD | fair enough |
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| 15:34.36 | Lope | gotta reboot |
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| 15:47.00 | JordiGH | Apparently installing ibus made it so that now I have an XMODIFIERS environment variable in my current X session. |
| 15:47.04 | JordiGH | How do I clear this variable? |
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| 15:47.19 | JordiGH | I purged ibus and I want to get rid of this variable too. |
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| 15:47.30 | JordiGH | Hopefully without restarting X. |
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| 15:49.02 | somiaj | JordiGH: unset XMODIFIERS |
| 15:50.04 | JordiGH | somiaj: That only works in the current bash session. |
| 15:50.12 | JordiGH | Every new process that starts in X has the thing in there. |
| 15:50.41 | JordiGH | Wait, let me make sure I'm not lying. I'm pretty sure the variable was set for X. |
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| 15:51.11 | JordiGH | Yep, I'm not lying. |
| 15:51.12 | somiaj | JordiGH: then you'll have to run that in the shell X/window manager is running in, maybe just 'run' that command vs doing it in a shell |
| 15:51.24 | somiaj | since yes, a terminal will launch a new shell |
| 15:52.11 | JordiGH | You think it's the window manager? |
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| 15:52.33 | somiaj | yes, at least here I could tell fvwm to unset enviorment variables for the shell it is running in |
| 15:53.01 | somiaj | you still have a shell, it is just launching a terinal creates a new shell that inherits the eniviorment of the shell your wm/de/xorg is running in |
| 15:54.39 | somiaj | also you don't still have any files in /etc/enviorment.d/ that need to be purged with ibus? |
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| 15:55.52 | JordiGH | No, those are gone. |
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| 15:56.11 | JordiGH | I don't think it's compiz that has the envvar set. |
| 15:56.27 | JordiGH | If I run Emacs from Mate's launch thingy, it still has the envvar set. |
| 15:56.51 | somiaj | what if you run unset from mate's launchy thingy? |
| 15:57.05 | JordiGH | That doesn't work because mate's launch thingy only runs executables. |
| 15:57.32 | JordiGH | It's not a shell. |
| 15:58.48 | JordiGH | Hm, so I guess I could use gdb. |
| 15:59.10 | JordiGH | Dang, the things I'm doing to avoid rebooting X. |
| 15:59.31 | greycat | write a wrapper script, and have it run that |
| 15:59.42 | alkisg | JordiGH: I think it's mate-panel |
| 16:00.00 | alkisg | So you'd need to run a terminal, then unset the env var, then `setsid mate-panel --replace` |
| 16:00.22 | alkisg | AFTER that, try alt+f2 => xterm, and see if it's gone |
| 16:01.07 | JordiGH | I think a bunch of processes have inherited the dumb envvar. |
| 16:01.21 | alkisg | True, all existing processes would have it |
| 16:01.25 | JordiGH | I'd have to track them down. |
| 16:01.27 | alkisg | (except the system-user ones) |
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| 16:01.38 | JordiGH | FINE I'll reboot X. |
| 16:01.40 | JordiGH | brb |
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| 16:02.47 | infinite_recursi | I need help using quilt |
| 16:03.52 | infinite_recursi | I go to fluxbox-1.3.5 directory. Within it I have downloaded debian patches from https://sources.debian.org/patches/fluxbox/1.3.5-2/ within patches directory |
| 16:04.24 | infinite_recursi | In series file in fluxbox-1.3.5, I have named the 2 patches. |
| 16:04.51 | infinite_recursi | When I execute quilt -av , I get "No file to patch. Skipping patch" |
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| 16:09.00 | JordiGH | There, it's gone. |
| 16:09.07 | JordiGH | All that to be able to input dead keys in Emacs in peace. |
| 16:10.33 | infinite_recursi | ? |
| 16:11.51 | JordiGH | <JordiGH> FINE I'll reboot X. |
| 16:11.51 | JordiGH | <JordiGH> brb |
| 16:11.57 | JordiGH | I am now b |
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| 16:13.06 | ceux | i am looking for a bit of help with reprepo. I have a reprepo setup already but I wanted to create a different component. Fine, that's documented |
| 16:14.09 | ceux | but reprepro -b path/ includedeb osrelease debname.deb only seems to do it by osrelease, not by component. eg: "buster main" vs "buster extra" how do i add something only to the extra component |
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| 16:24.21 | alkisg | ceux: out of hand, it should be -C component, see the man page to make sure |
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| 16:42.57 | domovoy | hi |
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| 16:43.04 | sney | hi |
| 16:45.39 | domovoy | trying to setup https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi . i don't have an hdmi screen available rn, and hdmi->vga adapter seems to not be working. i don't have a serial cable available either. so i'm trying to add a normal user by customizing the .yaml created by https://salsa.debian.org/raspi-team/image-specs, but can't seem to make it work. any advice? |
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| 16:47.34 | Whyvn | hello, I am trying to update my system, but I am getting this http://paste.debian.net/1197175/ I removed the ppa.launchpad.net/onedrej/php/ubuntu from my /ect/apt/sources.list.d but it still doesnt want to allow me to update |
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| 16:48.51 | sney | Whyvn: it must still be configured somewhere else, check in sources.list, or just 'grep -R ondrej /etc/apt' |
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| 16:50.18 | sney | domovoy: maybe try ssh key auth for root, as described at https://raspi.debian.net/faq/ |
| 16:50.33 | Whyvn | sney: thank you grep worked. |
| 16:50.42 | domovoy | i tried both of these: http://paste.debian.net/1197177/ first one: image creation gets stuck, can't see anything relevant in the log, my guess would be adduser is asking for something interactively. second one: image creation works, rpi won't even get to the point where it asks for an ip to my dhcp server |
| 16:50.44 | sney | Whyvn: np, it's a great tool |
| 16:51.48 | domovoy | sney: hmmm, that would work |
| 16:52.39 | jhutchins | Whyvn: Also check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 16:52.52 | jhutchins | Oops, I see you got it. |
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| 17:01.05 | domovoy | how come getting a working debian on rpi is so not user friendly? that thing is quite old now... i would have thought it would be easier |
| 17:02.23 | sney | non-free components mainly, plus raspbian/rpiOS |
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| 17:02.35 | somiaj | lots of rpi's require non-free firmware with a custom kernel, and setting up a bootloader for them is also a bit of a pain |
| 17:04.13 | domovoy | yeah i get that, still, isn't the whole point of creating something like https://salsa.debian.org/raspi-team/image-specs to make creating rpi images easier? |
| 17:04.50 | oxek | aren't there already some debian images for rpi? |
| 17:05.18 | oxek | https://raspi.debian.net/ |
| 17:05.18 | domovoy | there are, none that helps if you don't have serial or hdmi |
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| 17:05.41 | oxek | but you flash it, and then you can mount it before you insert it into the rpi |
| 17:05.52 | oxek | and that way you can edit the filesystem or chroot into it and do whatever |
| 17:05.59 | oxek | set up ssh, vnc, ... |
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| 17:06.15 | sney | as designed, those images are supposed to work headless, it's in the faq even |
| 17:06.22 | sney | if yours isn't, there may be a different problem. |
| 17:06.54 | sney | power is a common one with rpi hardware, ignore the manual and make sure your wall wart is 5V/2A |
| 17:08.43 | domovoy | from https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPiImages: 'The built images are shipped with a *passwordless root*, which means, you can log in as root as long as you do it locally (either via a serial console or using a USB keyboard).' |
| 17:09.17 | domovoy | so no, they are _not_ made to work headless, quite the opposite actually |
| 17:09.42 | alkisg | Eh, it's easy to add a /root/.ssh/authorized_keys without using qemu/chroot |
| 17:09.43 | sney | I am referring to item #4 on this page, which is more authoritative than the wiki. https://raspi.debian.net/faq/ |
| 17:10.32 | domovoy | as stated earlier, i tried modifying the way images are built to either setup a root password, or create a unprivileged user, that was my question when i came in. |
| 17:11.32 | domovoy | using an ssh key will do for now, but as you may have guessed, if i'm trying to customize image _creation_ instead of modifying an already existing image, it's because i want to automate the stuff |
| 17:11.51 | alkisg | Add your authorized_keys in the creation step :) |
| 17:12.08 | domovoy | _my_ authorized_keys? |
| 17:12.26 | alkisg | How would you get the "root pass" in your automated creation steps? |
| 17:12.35 | alkisg | Is it a static pass? Do you ask the user for it? |
| 17:13.22 | domovoy | why would i do thet? i don't want to be the one who can ssh to any rpi installed by my script, the user using the script should be the able to do that. and he shouldn't have to learn about creating ssh keys either |
| 17:13.41 | alkisg | You can script keys creation |
| 17:13.53 | domovoy | alkisg: work in progress :) |
| 17:13.56 | alkisg | How would you automate "root pass" in your scenario? It's similar to automate "keys" |
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| 17:14.50 | alkisg | E.g. if the user has ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub, you can use that one for authorized_keys; if not, you may run ssh-keygen for him; it depends on how you want to automate it |
| 17:15.23 | domovoy | it is, but much easier to understand for end user, he need a password, simple enough, i don't have to explain him he need a copy of that particular ssh rivate key on every computer he wants to ssh to the pi from |
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| 17:15.50 | alkisg | The usual password policy for ssh is "root can login only with keys; it's unsafe to use passwords" |
| 17:15.54 | jolt | not sure if needed, but you could also use ssh with certificates and just generate a cert for the user, no need to update it for root |
| 17:15.57 | alkisg | So i think there, you need to educate them |
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| 17:16.25 | domovoy | i can also ask him to setup a kerberos server and... |
| 17:17.00 | alkisg | He'll be able to run `ssh root@pi` from his user account, without a password. It's even easier than using a password... |
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| 17:17.24 | domovoy | the idea is KISS. how much simpler that "what user/password do you want to setup on your raspi image?" |
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| 17:17.58 | alkisg | Sure, if you prefer that, it's also doable without chrooting |
| 17:18.31 | domovoy | alkisg: what if he then want to access the raspi from another machine? you then have to explain him "you need the private key we generated earlier" |
| 17:19.24 | alkisg | domovoy: I've seen enough schools use 1234 for the root password, and get hacked by botnets, to use root ssh passwords |
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| 17:19.28 | alkisg | But whatever suits you |
| 17:19.37 | domovoy | alkisg: creating a user/password was what i was asking about when i came in |
| 17:19.43 | alkisg | It's just about which file to edit, no big deal |
| 17:20.03 | alkisg | domovoy: man useradd, see the --root option |
| 17:20.10 | alkisg | And also enable root login in sshd_config |
| 17:20.53 | domovoy | no it's not, useradd doesn't follow debian policy about adding users, adduser does, using adduser didn't work for me, i came here to ask if anybody could help me about that |
| 17:21.22 | domovoy | did you guys read my original request? |
| 17:21.26 | alkisg | Indeed, but you can force it to follow debian policy using parameters, and it has the --root option |
| 17:22.04 | alkisg | Personally I didn't, I only thought to mention the authorized_keys idea, and then got involved more than I originally planned :) |
| 17:22.57 | domovoy | yeah i can also write code to control my coffee machine. what's the point of having tools like adduser if in the end the answer is "you can use whatever it was made to replace"? |
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| 17:23.10 | sney | logging in with ssh keys is not the permanent solution, it is duct tape to get you to a working rpi card with debian on it, then you can have more information for tinkering with your own homebuilt images. |
| 17:23.37 | sney | the debian wiki is not always the most up-to-date thing, so it helps to have something irl to refer to. |
| 17:24.11 | domovoy | sney: agreed, that's the only reason i said "ssh keys will do for now" |
| 17:24.56 | alkisg | domovoy: another idea is to push a startup script/service that will read your settings, and apply them on boot. I.e. it will create the user using the provided pass/hash/whatever, and then delete the settings file. |
| 17:25.12 | alkisg | Not sure if I should be mentioning ideas; sometimes they help; sometimes they just anger people... |
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| 17:25.50 | domovoy | alkisg: i was thinking about that, but it seemed a bit overkill. still, maybe it's still the best solution... |
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| 19:03.36 | deadrom | hi |
| 19:04.57 | deadrom | pulled a disk from a deb10 box that holds no crucial data, sheer storage. boots to maintenance prompt. knowing I don't need that disk to run the show I press ctrl+D. "Starting default target". couple moments later back at emergency. why? |
| 19:05.37 | greycat | perhaps because the line in /etc/fstab is still there for the missing file system(s) |
| 19:06.06 | deadrom | can I make it timeout? |
| 19:06.07 | karlpinc | deadrom: Ctrl-D just means exit what you're doing. |
| 19:06.42 | greycat | when you're in the "emergency" shell, comment out the lines in /etc/fstab before exiting and asking it to move on |
| 19:06.44 | karlpinc | deadrom: You need to do something at the maintenance prompt to say that it's ok to have a degraded system. |
| 19:06.47 | deadrom | karlpinc: if the prompt says "press ctrl+D to start deafult target" I expect it to start the default target. It sounds reasonable. |
| 19:07.13 | greycat | so fix the issue before asking it to start the default target |
| 19:07.19 | deadrom | I edited fstab and returned to a kernel panic. |
| 19:07.20 | karlpinc | deadrom: I agree that the prompt text is not optimal. |
| 19:07.28 | deadrom | karlpinc: ok. |
| 19:07.49 | deadrom | I'll see if that stuck now or I'll boot from live and edit from there... |
| 19:08.44 | karlpinc | deadrom: Coming up with "the right thing to say" at that point is non-trivial. (In my experience, writing good sentences is hard.) If you've a suggestion file a bug report. Your hard work will pay off when bullseye's successor is released. :) |
| 19:08.56 | deadrom | "XZ-compressed data is corrupt -- system halted". ok, that's new. |
| 19:12.25 | digitalD | just wondering whether you tried putting that HD back and boot the system - figure out the dependency, then try again? |
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| 19:21.01 | deadrom | right now I am at "does not boot at all after sudden crash" |
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| 19:28.54 | deadrom | ah! faulty RAM :) my luck. |
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| 19:38.52 | DHE | this is probably a bad idea but... I think I've run into a glibc bug affecting a closed-source 32 bit application I'm trying to run on buster 64 bit. It has libc6-i386 version 2.28-10 and the upstream glibc 2.29 changelog mentions something that looks like the crash I'm encountering. there's no safe+fast way to upgrade it here is there? |
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| 19:40.15 | nkuttler | DHE: you should probably ask the vendor for a static build, or one that matches your os.. |
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| 19:40.26 | deadrom | can I grow an mdadm raid5 "live"? it exports mounted fs on NFS |
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| 19:41.07 | DHE | nkuttler: ideally yes. static link not happening for sure though. I'd be happy with a 64 bit version. but that's not happening "fast"... |
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| 19:42.32 | DHE | deadrom: yes it can be done realtime. but you'll have to wait for the procedure to finish before you can resize the filesystem for more storage space. also I'd make sure to specify a backup-file properly |
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| 19:55.46 | deadrom | DHE: yes, I stated the backup file. could unmount everything, too. 51 hours, phew. |
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| 20:08.58 | jelly | DHE, set up a bullseye chroot and run the app there. Might as well make it a clean i386 chroot |
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| 20:12.24 | DHE | jelly: this is the debootstrap method? |
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| 20:14.39 | jelly | DHE, deboostrap is the tool to create such a chroot, yes. There are other wrappers around it to make life easier, like maybe schroot |
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| 20:54.30 | buu | Is there a clever way to get netstat -lt without netstat (or ss) |
| 20:55.45 | DHE | the information you seek is under /proc/net (linux) but it's not very user-friendly to read |
| 20:56.11 | greycat | Debian includes ss in the package iproute2 which is "important" and *should* definitely be there. |
| 20:57.40 | buu | greycat: I am in the sad and unhappy world of docker |
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| 20:59.34 | buu | so /proc/net/tcp says 00000000:1538 which means 0.0.0.0:5432 ? |
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| 21:27.18 | [Kraken | i have this strange problem where some I have dual monitors, and some apps I am unable to use the drop down menus, 1 is portrait 1 is landscape |
| 21:27.33 | [Kraken | different resolutions on each |
| 21:29.08 | [Kraken | hmm even with both in landscape doesn't help, this is xfce |
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| 21:30.56 | [Kraken | firefox works but quassel does Not |
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| 22:01.34 | jesse1010 | is zfs safe for a debian boot drive? |
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| 22:06.24 | ratrace | jesse1010: if by "boot drive" you mean root fs, yes it is |
| 22:07.01 | ratrace | as long as you keep in mind that ZFS is DKMS and that there are some situations in which kernel upgrade + zfs upgrade at the same time must be done carefully and step by step. |
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| 22:16.28 | deadrom | in other words: no |
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| 22:18.54 | ratrace | in other words yes. if your system is critical and has to come back up on boot if at all possible, there's always precautions you need to take, ZFS or not |
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| 22:32.00 | jhutchins | !su |
| 22:32.01 | dpkg | extra, extra read all about it, su is switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain super user access. Since Debian Buster, "su -" or "su -l" is needed to access programs located in /sbin (see <buster su>). It provides an root environment as if the superuser had logged in directly. See "man su". |
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| 22:55.08 | JordiGH | !buster su |
| 22:55.09 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
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| 22:56.08 | JordiGH | Btw, why is /sbin not in the default $PATH? I gotta type out `/sbin/ifconfig` if I want some simple diagnostic output. |
| 22:58.59 | jmcnaught | You could use ip instead |
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| 23:05.47 | JordiGH | jmcnaught: Yes, but that's not my question. |
| 23:06.01 | JordiGH | I asked, "why is /sbin not in the default $PATH"? |
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| 23:06.46 | Waxhead | Howdy. Is it possible for me to use apt / apt-get / aptitude to install any package in a way that it gets locally compiled and optmized for my CPU ? e.g. a custom built package just for me and my computer ? |
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| 23:10.16 | JordiGH | No, apt doesn't compile. |
| 23:10.19 | JordiGH | It just downloads. |
| 23:10.35 | Waxhead | JordiGH: Alrighty thanks. |
| 23:11.11 | JordiGH | I mean, there are some exceptions. Some packages like the nvidia blob are actually configured to download and compile things from nvidia. But those are rare. |
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| 23:12.35 | Waxhead | JordiGH: yeah I know. I was just curious if it was possible somehow to "order" a locally compiled blender / gimp / whatever for example. I assume most packages are compiled for older CPU's and do for example utilize all the registers in my CPU. |
| 23:12.45 | Waxhead | (which is a shame ;) ) |
| 23:13.58 | JordiGH | I don't think that's true, but if you wanna funroll loops like it's 2005, you can download source packages with `apt-get source` and use `dpkg-buildpackage` with your favourite Gentoo-like flags. |
| 23:15.02 | Waxhead | Probably... I never used Gentoo , but I know it builds from source ;)... Actually I would like to unroll loops like it was 1986 if I could :P |
| 23:16.11 | JordiGH | You're probably better off disabling linux mitigations for spectre and meltdown. |
| 23:16.21 | JordiGH | Like speeding without a seat belt. |
| 23:16.58 | Waxhead | JordiGH: If I ... hypotetically speaking ... already did. I would have... told you... yes, that sounds good. I would have told you! :D |
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