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| 00:40.20 | imMute | JordiGH: sbin is typically for things that regular users can't really use and only root can, so it's not in their PATH by default |
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| 00:53.36 | somiaj | JordiGH: ifconfig is one of the weird ones, since it can be used by a normal user for informational things, but not for other things. Though in general as metnioned most binaries in sbin/ aren't useful to a normal user due to normal user lacking permissions. |
| 00:54.17 | sney | I symlink a couple of them to /usr/local/bin on my systems, ifconfig and modinfo in particular |
| 00:54.28 | somiaj | In my limited experience that has been the one binary I have had to type out the full path as a normal issue, though since it has been depricated and I've moved to using ip, I rarely notice this anymore |
| 00:56.27 | somiaj | if really desired you could add sbin/ to your $PATH, but for the most part it just gives access to binaries you can't make use of unless you had root permissions |
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| 01:05.09 | JordiGH | somiaj: There's a few others in /sbin that can be used for informational things, like lsmod or modinfo. |
| 01:05.52 | sney | lsmod is in /bin |
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| 01:09.04 | somiaj | yes ifconfig was the only one I noticed in the past, but due to ip don't anymore, though as sney pointed out you can create links or add sbin/ to your users $PATH. |
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| 01:37.51 | buu | Ok so |
| 01:38.16 | buu | ls /dev/nvme? tells me I have 3 nvme disks |
| 01:38.28 | buu | lspci | grep nvme tells me I have 4 |
| 01:39.26 | sney | pastebin that so we can see it, but I bet one of those pci entries is a controller or similar |
| 01:41.47 | buu | https://clbin.com/bH338 |
| 01:42.03 | somiaj | some m.2 slots can use the sata interface as well |
| 01:42.05 | buu | That would make me sad |
| 01:42.14 | buu | I am using a u.2 slot |
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| 01:42.57 | somiaj | to me that looks like 3 controllers and one disk |
| 01:43.07 | buu | https://clbin.com/SXp5t |
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| 01:43.16 | buu | somiaj: Well, there's 4 disks plugged in =] |
| 01:43.22 | somiaj | on wait sorry they are four controllers |
| 01:43.54 | somiaj | check your firmware/bios, I know on my mobo some of my controlers can either be nvme or sata and it is configurable in the firmware |
| 01:47.39 | buu | I don't understand the relevance |
| 01:48.12 | buu | nvme nvme3: Removing after probe failure status: -19 |
| 01:48.27 | buu | It detects it but it's not in /dev/ |
| 01:52.07 | buu | =[ |
| 01:52.12 | buu | infinite sadness |
| 01:52.18 | somiaj | does your firmware see it? |
| 01:52.31 | buu | the what? |
| 01:52.51 | sney | 'removing after probe failure' could just be a bad connection, re-seat the nvme and make sure it's at right angles with the slot |
| 01:53.22 | somiaj | the bios/firmware of your mobo? |
| 01:53.33 | sney | (if you never did hardware support, re-seat means take it all the way out, inspect, and re-insert. wiggling it in place does not count) |
| 01:53.37 | buu | I mean, I'd have to reboot |
| 01:53.40 | somiaj | but yea, I would double check the connection, I was just trying to see if your firmware sees it but the os doens't |
| 01:54.05 | buu | I do get a lovely green led though |
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| 02:52.57 | forgotmynick | does /dev/shm have an inode limit? |
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| 02:54.15 | sney | according to df -i it does |
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| 03:29.25 | yanmaani | finally solved my RAM problem |
| 03:29.30 | yanmaani | turns out I had /var/log mounted as tmpfs |
| 03:29.39 | yanmaani | and this didn't show up anywhere when I looked for ram usage |
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| 04:22.50 | brizz | i ran out of inodes space but had only used 50% of the partition (dont know if im using right words). since i only used 50% of the space, is there anything I can do to increase inodes w/out increasing partition size? |
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| 04:25.37 | unixbsd | where to find the Debian stable for amd64, with a kernel freebsd? |
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| 04:41.20 | somiaj | unixbsd: its an unoffical port it seems https://www.ports.debian.org/ |
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| 04:45.17 | unixbsd | somiaj: do you know a cdrom hybrid to test on amd64? |
| 04:48.15 | somiaj | unixbsd: I haven't tested that, but the links seem to suggest there is an unoffical netinstall image, but don't think there are any live images. https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD |
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| 06:32.21 | EdePopede | yanmaani: that's odd, there are some more tmpfs, are they listed by `mount`? |
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| 06:55.48 | unixbsd | systemd allows users for complete depresssion. At boot, if the systemd/networking layer does not find lan/wifi, then it will take hours. same at reboot. complete madness to put systemd in all linux distros |
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| 06:58.38 | cosimone | hello, anybody know when this is going to be ported? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=986839 |
| 06:58.39 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/986839 in mpv (closed, patch, upstream, fixed-upstream, security): «mpv: CVE-2021-30145 - demux_mf: improve format string processing»; severity: grave; opened: 2021-04-12; last modified: 2021-04-26. |
| 06:59.00 | ratrace | unixbsd: that's not systemd's fault, but whoever did the bad configuration of services on those machines |
| 06:59.32 | ratrace | is systemd more sensitive to certain error conditions? yes, and RIGHTLY so. sysv hid those. Is it configurable and tunable for the admin to say what is or isn't critical for boot? ABSO LUTELY. |
| 06:59.37 | unixbsd | unplugg the cable, and systemd willl take 5 to 10 min to boot ! bravooooo linux ! |
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| 07:00.08 | themill | yeah, you might like to fix your config |
| 07:00.12 | ratrace | cosimone: it's not |
| 07:00.31 | ratrace | !cve lookup CVE-2021-30145 |
| 07:00.31 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2021-30145 may be found at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2021-30145 |
| 07:00.34 | ratrace | cosimone: ^^^^ |
| 07:00.43 | cosimone | ah, that's too bad |
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| 07:01.08 | ratrace | cosimone: why? it's apparently not an issue deemed important for buster |
| 07:01.31 | cosimone | i don't need to justify fixing a known issue |
| 07:01.38 | ratrace | unixbsd: unplug the power cable and the machine won't boot at all !!!! BRAVOOOO! |
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| 07:02.19 | ratrace | cosimone: not all issues are the same. so I was wondering why you thought this was particularly improtant as you asked this already few weeks ago (and had the same answer). if I mistook you for someone else, my apologies. |
| 07:02.20 | TheBigK | :D |
| 07:02.34 | unixbsd | ratrace: best solution to avoid to wait... I forgot the 10 min to find out that the disk is healthy also time to time.. maybe linux people have lot of time to play around. |
| 07:02.41 | ratrace | unixbsd: then configure it so |
| 07:03.07 | ratrace | unixbsd: you are, again, as usual, not listening and you're talking to yourself. this is not linux or systemd issue but whoever configured those services badly. |
| 07:03.58 | TheBigK | my system runs just fine without network at boot... i have some trouble with e1000e kernel module... and whenever i have no network... i have no 10 mins to wait... |
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| 07:05.19 | unixbsd | TheBigK: maybe you have only exp. with windows and linux, try BSD you will see the diff |
| 07:05.25 | ratrace | one of most common reasons for boot to fail due to no network is because the ADMIN of that system told it to fail if there's no network for a network filesystem which is deemed critical for boot |
| 07:05.41 | ratrace | unixbsd: excellent! Delete debian and go back to a BSD. Byeeeee. |
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| 07:06.04 | somiaj | TheBigK: do you have services that depend on the network being up? My system boots justfine without networking. |
| 07:06.06 | TheBigK | lol... someone got triggered :D |
| 07:06.22 | ratrace | totally.... been listening to this bsd crap here for months now |
| 07:06.30 | unixbsd | I have to use Linux. well, companies using linux is cool anyhow |
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| 07:06.58 | ratrace | it's fine if you don't like linux or systemd. go use devuan or bsd and gtfo. |
| 07:07.20 | TheBigK | is the bsd kernel of debian ment here? or is it really an openbsd making the trouble ?! im confused |
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| 07:07.33 | somiaj | TheBigK: systemd has a network-online.target that uses various -wait services that will wait for the network to come online before moving on to any services which depend on having the network up and running. You could disable these services and manually run them at the times you have a network. |
| 07:08.17 | TheBigK | somiaj: i dont have any trouble. so u may be wanna talk to unixbsd xD |
| 07:08.30 | somiaj | TheBigK: debian does have an unoffical port with the freebsd kernel, though this is just more offtopic rambling |
| 07:08.34 | somiaj | TheBigK: ahh sorry, missunderstood |
| 07:08.41 | unixbsd | somiaj: so, finally, you have to wait all your life long waiting with systemd. do mention also about the memory waste in >20 MB |
| 07:09.05 | TheBigK | i had that issue in a similar way with an encrypted drive. but i just deactivated all services and start them with cryptdisk_start |
| 07:10.17 | ratrace | TheBigK: cryptdisk_start? |
| 07:10.51 | ratrace | unixbsd: install Devuan. It's a linux, based on Debian so probably most of programs are the same. And enjoy systemd-free, error-free booting! |
| 07:10.53 | TheBigK | its a script which can be used to mount a crypted drive |
| 07:10.58 | themill | unixbsd: that's enough thanks, you're talking utter bollocks at this stage |
| 07:11.06 | ratrace | TheBigK: oh a crypttab keyscript? |
| 07:11.21 | TheBigK | ratrace: yeah... i have that drive as noauto in my crypttab |
| 07:11.30 | TheBigK | and then i say cryptdisk_start pidrive... |
| 07:11.50 | TheBigK | and then it asks for pw... and then it automatically runs a shell script which starts all related services for me |
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| 07:12.32 | TheBigK | its part of cryptsetup i believe ? let me check |
| 07:12.52 | TheBigK | yes it is |
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| 07:18.00 | ratrace | TheBigK: nice! |
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| 08:08.04 | azonenberg | Hi folks |
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| 08:08.46 | azonenberg | I'm the original author and one of the core developers of glscopeclient, a BSD-licensed tool for remote control of oscilloscopes/logic analyzers and analyzing data from them |
| 08:09.20 | azonenberg | We're working on getting a v0.1 release out the door some time this summer and would love for someone to help us get it packaged up in .deb format |
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| 08:16.50 | nkuttler | !tell azonenberg about wnpp |
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| 08:55.18 | Lope | anyone here into bcache? |
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| 09:01.54 | AL13N_lappy | hey, so i have a client with an old debian (5 or 6 or something) (from a 3rd party), minimal setup, and i put a progam i wrote on it, which has a segfault, and so i wanted the coredump to debug, but it seems not to create a core dump, even though i set ulimit -c to unlimited and i change core_pattern to something in /tmp/; anyone know any other idea/setting that might affect it? |
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| 09:06.56 | sussudio | AL13N_lappy: incompatible libs, like libc, maybe? |
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| 09:08.53 | petn-randall | AL13N_lappy: Is that program compiled against the libs from that system? |
| 09:09.05 | petn-randall | AL13N_lappy: Also, can you check which OS release you're running? |
| 09:11.00 | AL13N_lappy | petn-randall: i don't really have an idea except that the layout is debian like, there is no package manager and issue is overwritten, but it is true that i did a static build with a different libc |
| 09:11.29 | jelly | AL13N_lappy, is the current working directory writable for the user the app is started as? |
| 09:11.38 | AL13N_lappy | it's completely static (took me a while), so it shouldn't have anything in common (or conflicting) with the system |
| 09:11.56 | AL13N_lappy | jelly: i already set the core pattern to something i /tmp/ |
| 09:12.08 | jelly | that may or may not work at all |
| 09:12.42 | jelly | also, uname -a ? |
| 09:12.50 | AL13N_lappy | how so? it's completely static, i even built it against musl, so it wouldn't conflict on the target system |
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| 09:13.16 | jelly | I mean the kernel may be ignoring or be buggy with core pattern |
| 09:13.19 | AL13N_lappy | jelly: 2.6.37-R5 #1 SMP PREEMPT 0 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:13.27 | jelly | so a custom kernel |
| 09:13.30 | AL13N_lappy | 2.6.37 might be deb6 |
| 09:13.41 | AL13N_lappy | oic |
| 09:13.57 | AL13N_lappy | so it might be disabled in the kernel itself, wow |
| 09:14.04 | AL13N_lappy | jelly: that's pretty special |
| 09:14.17 | AL13N_lappy | i'm gonna check the config.gz if it's there |
| 09:14.19 | jelly | 2.6.26 would have been default for debian 5, I _think_ it was 2.6.32 for debian 6 but I don't remember |
| 09:14.58 | jelly | look in /boot/ for a config-* |
| 09:15.10 | AL13N_lappy | OMG: # CONFIG_ELF_CORE is not set |
| 09:15.15 | jelly | there ya go |
| 09:15.22 | AL13N_lappy | goddamnit |
| 09:15.28 | AL13N_lappy | ugh |
| 09:15.57 | AL13N_lappy | now i have to build a test system specifically to test this out... grrrr |
| 09:16.05 | AL13N_lappy | jelly: thx a lot |
| 09:16.14 | jelly | interesting that it has a /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern at all |
| 09:16.31 | AL13N_lappy | i've asked this everywhere, you're the first person to point to it |
| 09:16.56 | AL13N_lappy | maybe due to: CONFIG_WEXT_CORE=y |
| 09:17.14 | jelly | old kernels had weirdness around that feature |
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| 09:31.17 | eoli3n_ | Hi |
| 09:31.25 | eoli3n_ | i'm settting up unattended upgrades for a server |
| 09:31.37 | eoli3n_ | defaultly, two sources are enabled |
| 09:32.10 | eoli3n_ | "Debian" and "Debian-security", is that ok to only use "Debian-security" ? |
| 09:33.25 | Lope | If I use bcache with NVME as the cache drive and SATA SSD as the backing drive, will TRIM be sent to both SSD's? |
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| 09:34.58 | jelly | eoli3n_, sounds like that would miss non-security updates that come with a point release |
| 09:35.33 | jelly | Lope, there's a #bcache channel over on OFTC |
| 09:35.46 | eoli3n_ | a "point release" ? |
| 09:35.52 | jelly | aand you've already found it |
| 09:36.01 | jelly | !point release |
| 09:36.01 | dpkg | Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, fixing security and grave bug fixes. If you track security updates regularly (as you should!) there will often be no updates for you in the point release. You can upgrade to the latest point release with "apt update && apt full-upgrade". Ask me about <9.13>, <10.5>.. https://release.debian.org/ for a schedule |
| 09:36.50 | eoli3n_ | thanks jelly |
| 09:37.03 | eoli3n_ | that's on proxmox |
| 09:37.06 | ratrace | Lope: for ZFS? |
| 09:38.03 | jelly | eoli3n_, proxmox makes too many changes to the OS that we can't provide support for it in here, and some of the best practices for Debian might not apply, or could even break things. Tread with care. |
| 09:38.08 | jelly | !proxmox |
| 09:38.08 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 09:38.48 | jelly | assuming you're talking about a proxmox host, not Debian guest inside a proxmox platform |
| 09:39.46 | Lope | jelly, I found it, thanks. The channel is a bit dead. |
| 09:39.59 | Lope | ratrace, nah, I'm looking into using bcache for current project. |
| 09:40.31 | jelly | patience is advised, that's mostly a dev channel |
| 09:41.11 | eoli3n_ | jelly proxmox host yes, i asked on ##proxmox too, lets check what they say about this |
| 09:41.17 | eoli3n_ | thanks for your answer |
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| 09:48.30 | jelly | not sure unattended-upgraded are best practice even for Debian |
| 09:53.38 | ratrace | it's not. it's terrible practice promoted by ubuntu |
| 09:55.51 | oxek | I'd say promoted by MS |
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| 09:58.57 | petn-randall | If you have a fleet of machines you don't want to update them all by hand. |
| 10:01.01 | ratrace | petn-randall: correct, so you use proper automation. ansible, saltstack, puppet, chef, ... |
| 10:01.40 | ratrace | which you already have in place because you don't want to configure and maintain the fleet by hand :) |
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| 10:18.25 | Razva | Hi. Can you let me know what should I `tail` in order to see the NFS logs? I have troubles connecting to a share and I can't really understand what's going on, so I need to debug this. |
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| 10:48.49 | petn-randall | ratrace: TBH I use unattended-upgrades because I just install it on the machines (via ansible) and don't have to touch it after that. |
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| 10:52.14 | ratrace | petn-randall: so you never reboot for kernel upgrades or restart services for dependent library upgrades? |
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| 10:54.52 | tcurdt | I have some cron script that should go in /etc/cron.d ... but they are multi line scripts (and using && is too much) ... so I need to point to a script from their /etc/cron.d files |
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| 10:55.09 | tcurdt | is there a "standard" place for where to place cron scripts? |
| 10:55.16 | themill | ratrace: ansible can do those bits for you too |
| 10:55.32 | tcurdt | (other thatn /etc/cron.daily etc) |
| 10:56.31 | tcurdt | themill: I would still have to put the file somewhere. or wdym? |
| 10:56.53 | tcurdt | (I am using ansbile already) |
| 10:56.58 | themill | tcurdt â ratrace |
| 10:58.18 | themill | tcurdt: /usr/local/sbin is a reasonable place for those scripts. You could put them somewhere outside of PATH if that made you feel better |
| 10:59.08 | ratrace | themill: which is my point exactly. you already are using automation for things that unattended-upgrades doesn't complete, because it half asses the job. |
| 10:59.22 | themill | ratrace: eh? |
| 10:59.43 | ratrace | "< themill> ratrace: ansible can do those bits for you too" |
| 10:59.52 | petn-randall | ratrace: I use needrestart to restart services that use changed libs. Btw, I'm not arguing against your way, just pointing out that you /can/ do those things differently, too. |
| 11:00.20 | petn-randall | Using ansible to orchestrate rolling upgrades is a great way to do it. |
| 11:00.45 | ratrace | yes but my point is that unattended-upgrades doesn't do the complete job. you need automation _anyway_ so why bother risking unattened breakage, instead of testing and consciously applying an upgrae since you have to write that play anyway |
| 11:00.51 | themill | unattended-upgrades also integrates with needrestart |
| 11:01.47 | ratrace | if I had a nickel every time I had to salvage a server borked by unattended-upgrades .... I'd have a few dollahs now :) |
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| 11:03.12 | ratrace | and speaking of needrestart integration, that doesn't orchestrate. for example... restarting postgresql because libss upgrded would wreak havoc on our servers because it requires carefuly coordination between postgres restart and consumers of its apis |
| 11:03.23 | ratrace | *libssl |
| 11:04.25 | jelly | how could needrestart possibly know about that |
| 11:05.04 | ratrace | exactly, which is why it's insufficient. |
| 11:05.08 | jelly | it's a script with some heuristics and works better than it has any right to |
| 11:05.19 | jelly | you want hooks? Implement hooks |
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| 11:06.11 | jelly | that's probably the only sane way to have unattended-upgrades and/or needrestart work in a nontrivial environment |
| 11:06.24 | ratrace | I don't tho. I test upgrades on a set of test VMs for each role and then I write an upgrade rollout saltstack task |
| 11:06.37 | jelly | right |
| 11:07.01 | ratrace | then again I don't have toy systems.... except the one I literally toy on, but that's a mission critical machine because I also work on it, so... :) |
| 11:07.03 | jelly | so you do upgrades on a level above each host |
| 11:08.06 | petn-randall | ratrace: So you're saying the consumers of said APIs can't gracefully recover when it's not available? |
| 11:08.47 | jelly | petn-randall, you're funny |
| 11:08.48 | ratrace | petn-randall: none can do that fully |
| 11:09.13 | ratrace | if the backend disappears mid transaction, not even penguing god can gracefully recover from taht |
| 11:09.45 | jelly | each time I restart a db at $work things break for hours-weeks |
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| 11:09.55 | ratrace | so we have "maintenance mode" where we put the apps into that, and each http request sits and waits for the flag to clear before proceeding. thats' as graceful as it gets for full OLTP consistency without interruption |
| 11:10.04 | jelly | what are dependencies? /me cries |
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| 11:17.14 | petn-randall | jelly: I'm not saying any names, but $company has a load-balancer setup that I built that takes out machines responding with HTTP 500, so they can gracefully recover the occasional hiccup. Today I found out they deprecated some endpoints by removing some code that makes the endpoint return a HTTP 500 error. |
| 11:20.00 | petn-randall | Just crap I've been coping with this week. ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 11:21.00 | ratrace | maybe unattended-upgrades did that? :)))) |
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| 11:22.17 | petn-randall | No, that's just crappy code they're writing. |
| 11:24.17 | ratrace | how do you know? it's unattended. you didn't attend. you didn't pay attention :) /stick-poke |
| 11:25.40 | petn-randall | They removed PHP code, and now their endpoint returns a HTTP 500 error due to missing code. No underlying libraries are involved. |
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| 12:33.55 | jelly | petn-randall, works as designed? :-) |
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| 12:36.00 | jelly | things I do: grab docker image from internal $group vendor; unpack, grab the springboot .jar file named .war, put it behind systemd, java-service-wrapper and haproxy instead of running @#$% docker on a public frontend |
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| 12:38.34 | jelly | to do today: hardcode detection of autoreply from a specific source into Mailman to make it stop responding with its own autoreply |
| 12:39.09 | ratrace | I lost you after "grab docker..." |
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| 13:04.28 | hegemoOn | @jelly issue was apt-daily.timers and apt-daily-upgrade-timers to disable in order to get apt 1.8.2.3 installed |
| 13:04.58 | hegemoOn | (get the dpkg --configure -a, apt --fix-broken and then apt install apt) |
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| 13:09.22 | ratrace | hegemoOn: don't use @, this ain't twitter and some people's clients might not pick up the nick to highlight it d-.-b |
| 13:09.42 | jelly | hegemoOn, that's interesting, thanks |
| 13:10.13 | jelly | I've noticed _something_ starting apt at inopportune times but never bothered to investigate |
| 13:12.12 | hegemoOn | ratrace:yes sorry :) |
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| 13:16.49 | hegemoOn | in fact the issue was at apt postinstall |
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| 13:17.47 | hegemoOn | starting apt-daily.timer which was hanging |
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| 13:41.58 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world. After reading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian I am a bit confused what I should do so I am turning here for help. I am using debian stable. the ffmpeg package (4.1.6) is leaking memory when doing x11grab, capturing audio from alsa and encoding to mpeg or h264. I would like to see if this problem still occurs with the version from testing before opening a bug report. What would be |
| 13:42.04 | Klaus_Dieter | the best way doing that, short of setting up an entirely new system? |
| 13:42.50 | deltreey | is there a debian server distro? I like debian cinnamon for day to day stuff, but I keep falling back to ubuntu server to run my servers and I'd like a desktop-less debian server instead as it doesn't come with all the extras |
| 13:42.52 | ksk | Mhhhm, it might be a changeroot could suffice here |
| 13:42.55 | ksk | !changeroot |
| 13:42.59 | ksk | !chroot |
| 13:43.00 | dpkg | To chroot into a Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem with "mount /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target". |
| 13:43.26 | ksk | you would be using debootstrap to get a copy of eg. debian testing, and then "chroot into". |
| 13:43.33 | ksk | !tell Klaus_Dieter about debootstrap |
| 13:43.57 | Klaus_Dieter | ksk: thanks, I will do that. This should also take care of the many dependencies of ffmpeg. |
| 13:44.32 | ksk | deltreey: There is one Debian (more or less..). Just do not choose "desktop" when ask by the installer. You get a non-GUI install then |
| 13:45.06 | Klaus_Dieter | deltreey: why not use vanilla debian? you can set it up in automated fashin, script the installer, do tftp boot and have it remain a cli only system. |
| 13:45.33 | ratrace | deltreey: Debian is universal and very efficient as a server. why are you falling back to ubuntu for servers? ubuntu has not a single advatage (other than canonical's paid offerings) for teh server, over debian. |
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| 13:46.32 | avu | once you realize you don't get security updates for stuff in universe and multiverse, Ubuntu actually has severe downsides on the server IMO |
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| 13:46.50 | ratrace | indeed |
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| 13:56.06 | Klaus_Dieter | following the instructions from https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap in the "full process to set up debian usntalbe inside a chroot" there is no mount for /dev which however is required when using apt from inside the chroot. My suggestion would be to add somiething like mount --bind /dev $MY_CHROOT/dev/ but I am a bit hesitant to edit a wiki page that is that prominent.... Is there a review process in |
| 13:56.12 | Klaus_Dieter | place? |
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| 14:04.07 | hegemoOn | for an ansible playbook i call apt isntall localpack.deb |
| 14:04.31 | hegemoOn | which argument can i pass for noninterractiveness ? |
| 14:04.36 | hegemoOn | apt install -y ? |
| 14:04.36 | apt | methinks install -y is ok ? |
| 14:05.32 | imMute | hegemoOn: redirecting stdin to /dev/null does a pretty good job too. there's some env variables you can set but I forget what they're called |
| 14:05.36 | ratrace | hegemoOn: iirc the ansible's apt module already does it |
| 14:05.50 | ratrace | if you're using the apt module and not invoking apt via the shell or command modules |
| 14:06.07 | hegemoOn | ratrace: last time i tried to install a local package with apt module it failed :) |
| 14:06.34 | ratrace | hegemoOn: how did you supply the path? |
| 14:07.20 | ratrace | it has to be clearly a path, or else apt would confuse it for a package from repos, even if the .dev is physically in teh CWD |
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| 14:08.26 | jelly | hegemoOn, ansible has a module for apt. |
| 14:08.37 | jelly | slow |
| 14:08.57 | ratrace | hegemoOn: also, the parameter for the module is "deb", not "name", which is for repo packages. are you using that? |
| 14:09.16 | hegemoOn | i will test again (just pushed to git repo, now lauching a machine build) |
| 14:09.22 | jelly | hegemoOn, note that "apt install ./blah_1.0_all.deb" makes apt do a different thing than "apt install blah_1.0_all.deb" |
| 14:09.58 | jelly | in general, "apt" tool does not have a stable API and isn't meant to be used noninteractively |
| 14:10.49 | jelly | I'd go with "dpkg -i /path/to/deb" and "apt-get -f install" in case the first command fails, probably |
| 14:11.16 | ratrace | slow again... :) |
| 14:11.23 | hegemoOn | and is there a way to install a .deb without all dependancies ? |
| 14:11.37 | hegemoOn | i just want the files on the file system from a .deb package |
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| 14:12.01 | ratrace | unzip it :) |
| 14:12.14 | EdePopede | ar x $debfile |
| 14:12.20 | EdePopede | and the rest should be obvious ;) |
| 14:12.33 | hegemoOn | from / ? |
| 14:13.03 | EdePopede | seems that at least official packages all have filepathes with ./ |
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| 14:13.41 | EdePopede | the ar command can happen wherever you want |
| 14:13.58 | EdePopede | i just don't want to spoiler ;) |
| 14:15.46 | ratrace | no spoiler, no rice! |
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| 14:17.36 | hegemoOn | im solid enough to not be scared by spoiled |
| 14:17.43 | hegemoOn | s/spoiled/spoiler/ |
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| 14:24.46 | Surfer2011 | hello i have a problem with accessing a mounted usb device |
| 14:25.04 | EdePopede | hegemoOn, a variant of this one? https://static2.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Peter-Davisons-Fifth-Doctor-who-meme-2-1.jpg |
| 14:25.18 | EdePopede | Surfer2011: what kind of access? |
| 14:25.34 | Surfer2011 | samba access ... but also by ssh |
| 14:25.56 | Surfer2011 | /dev/disk/by-label/Datenplatte /srv/dev-disk-by-label-Datenplatte ext4 defaults,nofail,user_xattr,usrjquota=aquota.user,grpjquota=aquota.group,jqfmt=vfsv0,acl 0 2 |
| 14:26.02 | Surfer2011 | this is the fstab entry |
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| 14:26.27 | Surfer2011 | drwxr-sr--+ 13 frank familie 4096 Mär 2 21:00 Mediafiles |
| 14:26.27 | Surfer2011 | the folder |
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| 14:27.06 | Surfer2011 | and this the /etc/group --> familie:x:1000:frank,admin,dom,bene,basti,minidlna |
| 14:27.06 | Surfer2011 | want to access it as "dom" |
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| 14:30.03 | jelly | Surfer2011, if you just added dom to group familie, they have to log off, then log back on again via ssh |
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| 14:30.33 | Surfer2011 | it is ... as you can see above |
| 14:31.02 | jelly | I can't see whether they've logged off and on from the above output |
| 14:31.19 | Surfer2011 | /etc/group --> familie:x:1000:frank,admin,dom,bene,basti,minidlna |
| 14:31.28 | Surfer2011 | it has been ever since |
| 14:31.55 | jelly | that only says they're member of group |
| 14:32.01 | Surfer2011 | oh sry missread ... dom always has been member of the group ... logged in/out several times |
| 14:32.07 | jelly | okay, good |
| 14:32.57 | jelly | and what happens when they log in any try to "ls -la /srv/dev-disk-by-label-Datenplatte/Mediafiles/" ? |
| 14:33.01 | Surfer2011 | i'm guessing the fstab above has some whatever strange limitation |
| 14:33.22 | Surfer2011 | ls: Ãffnen von Verzeichnis '/srv/dev-disk-by-label-Datenplatte/Mediafiles/' nicht möglich: Keine Berechtigung |
| 14:33.30 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 14:33.30 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
| 14:33.36 | Surfer2011 | not possible: no permission (at the ende) |
| 14:33.54 | jelly | mmm. what does "id -a" say as that user |
| 14:34.11 | Surfer2011 | id -a |
| 14:34.11 | Surfer2011 | uid=1001(dom) gid=100(users) Gruppen=100(users),4(adm),119(minidlna),1000(familie),1001(famadmin) |
| 14:34.16 | jelly | good |
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| 14:34.50 | jelly | pastebin the output of "LC_ALL=C ls -ld / /srv /srv/dev-disk-by-label-Datenplatte /srv/dev-disk-by-label-Datenplatte/Mediafiles" as that user |
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| 14:35.16 | jelly | they need effective x permission for all the directories above, up to / |
| 14:36.00 | Surfer2011 | https://pastebin.com/Lxu2tVT9 |
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| 14:36.57 | jelly | well that looks fine, as far as basic permissions are concerned, but that + means there's also some ACL set |
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| 14:37.10 | jelly | getfacl /srv/dev-disk-by-label-Datenplatte/Mediafiles |
| 14:37.38 | jelly | install acl package if you don't have the command |
| 14:38.03 | Surfer2011 | https://pastebin.com/3tVc4Z3j |
| 14:38.36 | jelly | you've forbidden group familie access via ACL, I think |
| 14:38.55 | jelly | do you need those ACL? |
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| 14:39.24 | Surfer2011 | mh the entire debian system is running with openmediavault ... so i assume that's where it came from |
| 14:39.26 | Surfer2011 | so not sure |
| 14:40.25 | jelly | at the very least set group mask to r-x |
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| 14:40.49 | jelly | I... have no idea how that's done, haven't used ACLs in a while |
| 14:41.35 | Surfer2011 | i just checked the GUI of openmediavault and it has Mediafiles read/write for family group |
| 14:41.40 | jelly | !openmediavault |
| 14:41.40 | dpkg | OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system with a web-based control panel. It is <based on Debian> but not supported in #debian. Support can be found at http://wiki.openmediavault.org/ and #openmediavault on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:41.53 | Surfer2011 | /dev/disk/by-label/Datenplatte /srv/dev-disk-by-label-Datenplatte ext4 defaults,nofail,user_xattr,usrjquota=aquota.user,grpjquota=aquota.group,jqfmt=vfsv0,acl 0 2 |
| 14:41.53 | Surfer2011 | is this ok as fstab? |
| 14:42.20 | jelly | it seems okay if you want xattr and acl and quotas. |
| 14:42.21 | Surfer2011 | because if I chown the entire folder by a different user ... and reboot ... it is "frank - familie" again as owner |
| 14:42.37 | Surfer2011 | folder = Mediafiels |
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| 14:43.41 | jelly | I have no idea what OMV does with ACL and why. I wouldn't change ownership, as ownership and basic unix permissions seem fine. Fix or remove the ACLs, esp. group ACLs. |
| 14:45.21 | deltreey | Klaus_Dieter: so you mean the "standard" iso then? Because there's cinnamon, gnome, kde, lxde, lkqt, mate, standard, and xfce on the downloads page is why I was confused |
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| 14:52.02 | Klaus_Dieter | deltreey: I always start from the minimal image |
| 14:52.09 | Klaus_Dieter | which is called netboot, I think |
| 14:52.17 | Klaus_Dieter | let me verify |
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| 14:52.57 | jelly | netinst ftw |
| 14:52.59 | Klaus_Dieter | the netinst image is what I always use deltreey |
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| 14:53.20 | deltreey | yes, on the netinst page, those are the available images |
| 14:54.34 | Klaus_Dieter | that one: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-10.9.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 14:54.38 | jelly | deltreey, all the images behave exactly the same except for the default DE. If you uncheck the desktop environment in the task selection, they all result in the same installation |
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| 14:54.59 | jelly | there is no special server installer |
| 14:55.01 | deltreey | jelly: sweet, that's exactly what I didn't catch |
| 14:55.11 | deltreey | thank you all so much! |
| 14:56.33 | jelly | so uncheck DE, probably check ssh server, and standard tools enabled. Or disable everything and then use apt to only install what you want |
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| 15:02.39 | Surfer2011 | jelly: thanks i found the problem at the ACLs .. which i never set but somehow blocked it thanks for your help :-) |
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| 15:05.12 | eoli3n_ | is debian unstable really a bad idea for a home nas ? |
| 15:05.26 | eoli3n_ | i like the fact that it is rolling, and it has ZFS 2+ |
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| 15:11.02 | Klaus_Dieter | eoli3n_: I use stable for my home nas with zfs |
| 15:11.11 | eoli3n_ | but you use 0.8 |
| 15:11.14 | eoli3n_ | so no zstd |
| 15:11.20 | eoli3n_ | ? |
| 15:11.47 | eoli3n_ | stable is too stable for me, i don't know if i go with testing or unstable |
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| 15:12.15 | eoli3n_ | if this is not so much different, as unstable is rolling i will choose it |
| 15:12.55 | eoli3n_ | i use archlinux/voidlinux as desktop, which are on the edge, in debian testing as one the edge or a bit less/more ? |
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| 15:13.08 | eoli3n_ | as on* |
| 15:13.15 | Klaus_Dieter | yes. I am not using a feature that could be available. Of course it is a matter of personal preference. For me a NAS should be reliable and debian stable meets that need. |
| 15:13.38 | eoli3n_ | i understand that, it will not be only a home nas for me |
| 15:13.43 | mtn | eoli3n_: neither testing or unstable are meant to be used as a release. they are for making the next stable debian release |
| 15:13.53 | eoli3n_ | qemu/kvm+nas+some containers |
| 15:14.04 | greycat | Debian is not a rolling release, and does not try to be. Even unstable is more of a playground than anything else, where developers put whatever they feel like putting, whenever they feel like it, *except* for when a freeze is on, as it is now. |
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| 15:14.13 | pflanze | (karlpinc, FWIW, I implemented with-X as discussed 2d ago here (works fine so far): https://github.com/pflanze/chj-bin/blob/master/with-X ) |
| 15:14.15 | mtn | eoli3n_: neither of them are rolling in the true meaning of the term |
| 15:14.26 | eoli3n_ | hm ok |
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| 15:14.45 | eoli3n_ | zfs 2+ will only be available in the next release or it could be integrated before ? |
| 15:15.03 | greycat | If it's not in testing right now, it won't be in bullseye when it releases, which will be Soon. |
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| 15:15.11 | eoli3n_ | it is in testing |
| 15:15.29 | eoli3n_ | lets check when bullseye come |
| 15:15.42 | kats99 | is it possible to stream the contents of your screen to the webcam? |
| 15:16.13 | greycat | !rc bugs |
| 15:16.14 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=bullseye&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 15:16.33 | eoli3n_ | thanks |
| 15:16.48 | eoli3n_ | maybe i could go with testing then switch automatically to stable when it releases |
| 15:16.50 | Klaus_Dieter | kats99: not sure what you mean by "the webcam" |
| 15:17.13 | kats99 | if I switch on my webcam then my screen should be shown to the other party instead of what's in front of the webcam |
| 15:17.35 | Klaus_Dieter | then you might be looking for virtual webcams with v4l2. |
| 15:17.44 | Klaus_Dieter | with the v4l2-loopback kernel module |
| 15:18.07 | kats99 | alright thank you |
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| 15:18.22 | Klaus_Dieter | share the loopback device as if it were your webcam and then feed the data to it - maybe similar to https://superuser.com/questions/1330959/what-is-the-right-ffmpeg-output-format-for-a-v4l2-loopback-device |
| 15:18.42 | kats99 | okay |
| 15:19.48 | Klaus_Dieter | there are a few python tools that attempt to remove background from webcam iamges that sit between the actual webcam and the virtual webcam being shared. the only reason I am not using that is... well my machine is too slow ;) |
| 15:19.53 | Klaus_Dieter | but sharing desktop is possible as well |
| 15:20.47 | somiaj | could also just depend on the software you are using, many already have a share screen feature and don't need some virtual webcam |
| 15:21.47 | eoli3n_ | or debian stable with backports for zfs-dkms |
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| 15:23.00 | kats99 | ah it works |
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| 15:34.49 | rgammans | I'm trying to install debian with a recent deb10u3 debian-installer disk. But the mass storage device show in /dev, and is accessible from dd, but the partition manager in the installer doesn't offer it (/dev/nvme0n1 btw). Is there a trick to make it visible there? |
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| 15:40.09 | Klaus_Dieter | you can always manually partition and manually execute the steps that happen afterwards |
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| 15:43.35 | rgammans | Oh, yeah, But I can never remember how to set encrypted-disks up manually. I've had a look, and it seems to have a Intel raid super block ,so I might just zero that see.... |
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| 16:07.18 | rgammans | Hmm. Well if anyones interesting. I deleted a pertition with fdisk (nvme0n1p3 to be exact - the one windows shipped on) and rebooted into the installer and it worked the way I expected.. |
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| 16:09.36 | oxek | rgammans: I would have tested with an uptodate debian installer cd instead |
| 16:10.18 | sappheiros | can Mac .numbers files be opened with something in Debian? |
| 16:10.30 | sappheiros | they're appearing as an archive folder |
| 16:10.48 | oxek | what does `file` report for those files? |
| 16:10.51 | sney | those are spreadsheets, right? try libreoffice calc |
| 16:12.11 | sappheiros | wow, it works! |
| 16:12.26 | sappheiros | i tried opening it two other ways outside of LibreOffice Calc, but opening from within LibreOffice Calc worked. |
| 16:12.36 | sappheiros | thanks |
| 16:12.49 | sney | np |
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| 16:13.05 | sney | you can change the file association in your DE now that you know it works. |
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| 16:16.28 | sappheiros | i will search how to do this |
| 16:16.48 | sappheiros | or i can figure it out by right-clicking as an experiment :D |
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| 18:13.02 | eoli3n_ | I added debian backport repo, apt update |
| 18:13.13 | eoli3n_ | then apt install zfs-dkms/buster-backports -> no package found |
| 18:13.17 | eoli3n_ | but https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=zfs-dkms&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=buster-backports |
| 18:13.20 | eoli3n_ | what do i miss ? |
| 18:14.05 | sney | if you 'apt policy zfs-dkms' do you see the backport version? |
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| 18:14.27 | eoli3n_ | https://x0.at/U9l.txt |
| 18:14.38 | eoli3n_ | nop |
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| 18:14.48 | eoli3n_ | even with apt search |
| 18:15.13 | sney | zfs-dkms is not in main, it's in contrib. |
| 18:15.38 | eoli3n_ | ahh ok :) |
| 18:15.39 | eoli3n_ | thanks |
| 18:15.44 | sney | np |
| 18:15.51 | sney | if zfs was allowed in main, we wouldn't need dkms :) |
| 18:16.24 | sney | !contrib |
| 18:16.24 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ [stretch|buster|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «apt update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
| 18:16.56 | eoli3n_ | working now :) yep |
| 18:18.07 | eoli3n_ | but not with ansible |
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| 20:59.37 | jelly | sney, that's not exactly true, we have lots of things in main with mutually incompatible licenses |
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| 21:02.21 | sney | jelly: alright, it'd be far less likely. |
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| 21:25.11 | swift110 | I would like to remove the whitelist on my t420 thinkpad. How do I do this in debian |
| 21:25.47 | sney | whitelist for what? |
| 21:26.12 | PonyBlocks | whitelist for hardware i think hes talking about |
| 21:26.23 | sney | best if they tell us, rather than we guess |
| 21:26.27 | swift110 | whitelist for wifi to be more specifc |
| 21:26.32 | PonyBlocks | so he can use hardware that is not in toshibas "whitelist" |
| 21:26.42 | swift110 | correct |
| 21:26.52 | PonyBlocks | swift110 well then u need to fix the bios |
| 21:26.58 | PonyBlocks | whitelist is in bios |
| 21:27.00 | PonyBlocks | not in OS |
| 21:27.02 | sney | thinkpads are lenovo. I think thinkwiki covers this, you will need to reflash the bios and it's possible to brick your laptop this way |
| 21:27.15 | PonyBlocks | sney thoshiba lenovo same same |
| 21:27.18 | sney | lol |
| 21:27.34 | PonyBlocks | atleast when i was young^^ |
| 21:27.43 | swift110 | sney, I am aware of that but i am not understanding the proces, plus the instructions are geared towards people using windows |
| 21:27.47 | sney | here we go, https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Custom_BIOS |
| 21:27.55 | PonyBlocks | thinkpads 4evva thoshiba |
| 21:27.56 | PonyBlocks | :P |
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| 21:28.01 | swift110 | thanks sney |
| 21:28.25 | sney | PonyBlocks: you may be thinking of IBM |
| 21:28.42 | PonyBlocks | yeah can be |
| 21:28.44 | PonyBlocks | its late |
| 21:28.44 | PonyBlocks | now |
| 21:28.45 | PonyBlocks | lol |
| 21:29.24 | PonyBlocks | but had simmilar problem when making a hackintosh back in the day, so i needed to find same wifi as in one of the macbooks, stupid mac |
| 21:29.26 | sney | swift110: windows may still be needed, but you can use a PE rescue environment rather than a full install. do a web search for "windows pe rescue", there are a few options out there. |
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| 21:31.36 | swift110 | awesome |
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| 22:39.24 | KNERD | somiaj Using the guide https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html#pbuilder I was able to make a pastebininit package using pbuilder |
| 22:49.08 | alexrelis[m] | Why is VLC included in the default repositories in Debian, but not in the default repository in Fedora? Does VLC use non-free codecs? Or is it a matter of paying royalties? |
| 22:49.49 | alexrelis[m] | More or less a Fedora question, but I'd like to see the differences in how the projects view free and nonfree software. |
| 22:51.42 | abrotman | not less, definitely a #fedora question |
| 22:53.39 | alexrelis[m] | abrotman: Sorry. I just like you guys too much that I ask here first. |
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| 23:03.58 | somiaj | KNERD: good work |
| 23:05.24 | somiaj | alexrelis[m]: vlc is debian main, so it meets the DFSG, this of course means non-free codecs are not included and royalities aren't being paid. |
| 23:05.42 | somiaj | alexrelis[m]: though as for why fedora doesn't include it, yea not a question for here. |
| 23:05.47 | abrotman | alexrelis[m]: a quick google didn't turn up much .. has it been part of previous releases? |
| 23:05.57 | abrotman | or perhaps they're focused on another player |
| 23:06.17 | somiaj | could be just like debian, without someone to volunteer their time to matain/package the software it won't be included |
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| 23:07.45 | abrotman | not in EPEL either |
| 23:09.49 | KNERD | abrotman: That's why you don't use Goolag |
| 23:10.45 | KNERD | I do beleive Debian labels "non-free" as those apps/drives which are closed source but free to use, which is why I wonder about the name itself |
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| 23:28.00 | jhutchins | KNERD: It's a long running discussion, that "free" can mean "free as in beer" or "free as in speech". |
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| 23:32.54 | ratrace | or Free Willy! |
| 23:33.16 | KNERD | but what about "non-free"? |
| 23:33.32 | KNERD | non free to use? |
| 23:34.19 | jhutchins | KNERD: Obviously, no, but not free to see the source code and modify it. |
| 23:34.59 | jhutchins | Cannonical does some commercial not-free-to-use software, Debian does not. |
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