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| 00:33.38 | ASDX | we've had a secondary interface not come up on restart (have to manually 'ifup' it). it's in /etc/network/interfaces and in the same subnet as the primary one. does anything special need to be done to ensure it comes up on restart in debian 10? |
| 00:35.58 | ASDX | or is that 'ifup' requirement by design? https://serverfault.com/questions/66901/adding-a-second-ip-to-debian-server seems to discuss not actually specificing a second *interface* but rather to combine in the one errr stanza? |
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| 04:36.26 | mtcdood | I'm trying to rewrite incoming HTTP requests for / to /index.php?page=1 but the following isn't having any effect: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d10b92e2/ |
| 04:36.33 | mtcdood | Does anyone have advice on what to do? |
| 04:38.57 | PMT | It has been awhile, but I think you want a condition like RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^/$ then RewriteRule ^(.*)$ [...] |
| 04:39.41 | mtcdood | I'll look into it. btw 'RewriteRule ^home$ /index.php?page=1' works for /home requests |
| 04:40.23 | PMT | I believe it. Like I said, it's been awhile, I could be totally off. :) |
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| 04:42.03 | PMT | Alternate observation: won't matching on "not a directory or a file" never match on /? |
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| 04:42.40 | mtcdood | It's possible |
| 04:43.10 | PMT | Again, IANA expert on mod_rewrite, just some random person trying to think about what might be going awry. |
| 04:43.34 | mtcdood | Hmm... well removing those directives did resolve the problem but I wonder what the cost is. |
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| 04:45.22 | mtcdood | Now '/?page=2' is rewritten to '/?page=1' unfortunately. |
| 04:45.25 | PMT | I'd probably try just dropping the "not a file" condition and replace it with something like what I suggested |
| 04:46.48 | mtcdood | I think what I've got is potentially functional |
| 04:47.03 | mtcdood | If enough people use the site I'll find out! |
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| 04:48.09 | PMT | I mean, isn't redirecting page=2 to page=1 problematic? |
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| 04:49.55 | mtcdood | It doesn't redirect /?page=2 to /?page=1 |
| 04:50.04 | mtcdood | Er |
| 04:50.13 | mtcdood | It doesn't redirect /index.php?page=2 to /index.php?page=1 |
| 04:50.29 | mtcdood | index.php will always be present in my rewrite rules so I think it's ok |
| 04:51.06 | Deyaa | 6:49 AM <Deyaa> I want to run my python script without setting Environment in my . service file |
| 04:51.06 | PMT | as you wish |
| 04:51.27 | Deyaa | I want it to be installable |
| 04:52.17 | Deyaa | I've a python package I want to to ship my . service file with the package |
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| 05:59.05 | wlxmhls | hello! Does anyone use openscenegraph? I've installed libopenscenegraph. But it does not contain osgProducer. What else should I install for osgProducer? |
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| 06:06.30 | wlxmhls | It seems I should compile the openscenegraph from the source. |
| 06:13.13 | EdePopede | dpkg: magic smoke |
| 06:13.13 | dpkg | Did you know computers run on smoke? You can tell because if the smoke escapes, they stop working. |
| 06:16.26 | EdePopede | wlxmhls: judd knows about openscenegraph, but not about the lib. os osgProducer a filename? |
| 06:17.24 | wlxmhls | osgProducer is part of component in OpenSceneGraph. EdePopede |
| 06:17.49 | wlxmhls | The official document is not update. |
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| 06:26.48 | EdePopede | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=openscenegraph |
| 06:27.05 | EdePopede | anthoer lib with the version number as part of the package name Oo |
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| 06:29.33 | PMT | well, I finally resolved my problem with an absolutely terrible wrapper to gpgv. |
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| 06:41.26 | PMT | https://pastebin.com/GqTPvg1z if anyone else has very good reason to want to circumvent EXPKEYSIG messages from apt. |
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| 06:46.25 | jelly | PMT, last time I wanted to do that I used faketime / libfaketime |
| 06:47.43 | jelly | there was a squeeze box involved |
| 06:47.54 | PMT | that probably would have been a reasonable solution to try. if only I'd thought to look for such a tool first. |
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| 06:48.50 | PMT | In this case, it's a sid box, I just need sid from 2018 for investigating a kernel bug, since installing ancient kernel packages on modern systems results in a mess (if you want to compile modules against it), and actually recompiling on this system is painful. |
| 06:51.24 | PMT | (And if you want to know why "painful", https://pastebin.com/iLN4TK76 ) |
| 06:51.28 | nkuttler | !snapshot |
| 06:51.28 | dpkg | https://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. https://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 06:52.18 | PMT | nkuttler: yes, the whole reason for this discussion was using snapshot, but the GPG signatures on the repo I wanted to use were with expired keys. |
| 06:52.52 | jelly | a fancy sparc not 20 years old! |
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| 06:53.36 | PMT | That's not how time works. ;) |
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| 07:07.46 | kish` | remember when irix machines were sexy |
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| 07:10.55 | PMT | When, for 5 minutes when they showed up in jurassic Park? :P |
| 07:11.22 | kish` | my favorite movie |
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| 07:51.15 | g0zzy | I set up a headless minimal buster using the wireless interface. That is not connecting and so i thought i'd use Ethernet. The docs say ifup should do it but ifup enp2s0 simply results in an unknown interface message. How do i do it manually? |
| 07:55.19 | BenNZ | gozz |
| 07:55.27 | jmcnaught | g0zzy: edit /etc/network/interfaces this page has some examples: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 07:55.32 | BenNZ | g0zzy: whats in your /etc/interfaces/network |
| 07:56.27 | g0zzy | I'll look. Hang on |
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| 07:58.32 | g0zzy | It's 'empty'. "auto lo" followed by "iface lo inet loopbak" |
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| 07:59.39 | g0zzy | I'll try a fixed IP config in there. I wasn't sure whether /etc/network/interfaces was defunct nowadays |
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| 08:00.07 | PMT | you could also just tell it to dhcp |
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| 08:00.42 | g0zzy | Yes. Why is it not recognizing enp2s0 though? |
| 08:00.54 | PMT | You said there's no entry in there for it. |
| 08:01.41 | g0zzy | Yes but i thought ifup might still know about it |
| 08:01.46 | PMT | How? |
| 08:02.00 | g0zzy | Dunno :) |
| 08:02.18 | PMT | Fair enough. |
| 08:02.25 | jmcnaught | ifup knows about interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:02.46 | g0zzy | So do i use enp2s0 in interfaces instead of eth0? |
| 08:02.58 | jmcnaught | yes |
| 08:03.03 | g0zzy | Right |
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| 08:05.16 | epsilon | if you configure manually, make sure network-manager-* packages are uninstalled |
| 08:05.51 | jmcnaught | By default network-manager will ignore interfaces listed in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 08:07.05 | g0zzy | RIght |
| 08:07.19 | wyre | is there some article about how to set the root fs in read only mode with overlayfs? |
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| 08:18.28 | g0zzy | Thanks people. Interface is up |
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| 08:28.48 | g0zzy | Esoteric one: i did know once how to address in awk "all fields after field N". Anyone here remember that? |
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| 08:41.36 | TheBigK | g0zzy: u can print all columns by $0, and to remove one coloumn u can then replace it with $1=""; |
| 08:41.39 | TheBigK | does that help? |
| 08:41.58 | TheBigK | or did i understand wrong, g0zzy? |
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| 08:45.41 | jelly | g0zzy, no, but there's an #awk channel here on freenode |
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| 08:50.40 | g0zzy | Thanks folks, i'll ask on #awk |
| 08:54.59 | TheBigK | i assum i understood wrong then :D |
| 08:55.03 | TheBigK | +e |
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| 11:28.26 | solrize | if you're trying to implement a somewhat complicated processing chain, is there wisdom on whether it's preferable to use python scripts vs bash scripts? right now i'm using bash but python seems more precise, if that means anything |
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| 11:40.32 | otisolsen70 | I have just installed kvm and am trying to create a kvm VM and I get this error: ERROR Host does not support domain type kvm for virtualization type 'hvm' arch 'x86_64' |
| 11:40.33 | otisolsen70 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.38 | otisolsen70 | Do I need to reboot after installing kvm for it to work? |
| 11:45.03 | otisolsen70 | Hmm.... Reboot did not help |
| 11:47.58 | Walex | solrize: Shell and Python are not similar languages: Shells have scripting languages, Python is a programming language. |
| 11:48.21 | solrize | yeah i know that, i wonder if complicated bash scripts shouldn't really exist |
| 11:48.44 | Walex | solrize: the main entities in shell language are processes, pipes, process statuses, files; Python's are lists, strings, dictionaries. |
| 11:48.45 | solrize | i've written a lot of python and not that much bash |
| 11:49.06 | solrize | well it's not too hard to set up pipes and stuff in python |
| 11:49.07 | petn-randall | solrize: bash is fairly limited if you want more than simple if/then constructs. Really depends on what your goal is. What is your "somewhat complicated processing chain"? |
| 11:49.21 | Walex | solrize: so if your task is mostly process scripting, use shell; if your task is mostly data structures, use Python |
| 11:49.48 | solrize | well i'm using bash and i keep running into stuff that seem real clunky and would be easier in python |
| 11:50.00 | Walex | solrize: put another way, if data processing in your case is done by chains of processes, and not by the shell, use shell. |
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| 11:50.21 | solrize | like i can say "if -f filename" to check if a file exists, but i want to handle it differently if its size is > 1MB and there's not a real simple way to do that afaict |
| 11:50.26 | petn-randall | bash, or rather POSIX shell, has the advantage that it'll run pretty much on any OS in the last 20 years. |
| 11:50.37 | solrize | there is that, true petn-randall |
| 11:50.54 | Walex | solrize: you are then using it wrong as your example shows. |
| 11:51.02 | petn-randall | solrize: Can you tell us about your specific case you're working on? |
| 11:51.13 | solrize | i'm trying to convert a huge pile of epub files to text files |
| 11:51.24 | Walex | solrize: to check the size of a file you can use a command that does that. |
| 11:51.46 | Walex | solrize: where the epub conversion is done by a tool? |
| 11:51.47 | petn-randall | solrize: If it's your personal use, go with whatever is more comfortable for you, in that case Python. |
| 11:52.18 | petn-randall | I'd only pick sh if I'd have to support Mac OS X, Redhat 6, and Debian 10 with it. |
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| 11:52.43 | solrize | Walex, is there a convenient command to get the size of the file? i mean other than parsing ls -l output through awk or sth awful like that. yea, epub conversion is by pandoc |
| 11:53.20 | solrize | well i thought i would expand my horizons a little by using bash but now i'm wondering if it's worth it |
| 11:54.15 | Walex | solrize: 'stat' |
| 11:55.31 | Walex | stat -c '%s" "..." |
| 11:56.10 | Walex | solrize: but that is probably not the way to do it in shell language. |
| 11:57.03 | solrize | walex ah interesting thanks i didn't know about that |
| 11:57.16 | Walex | solrize: probably the right way is not to check the size of each file individually, but to use 'find' to generate lists of files below or above a size |
| 11:57.48 | solrize | yeah i thought of that but that's a little messy too |
| 11:58.14 | solrize | anyway thanks i have to sign off for now, might ask some more about this later |
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| 12:03.51 | Walex | another way to check the size of a single file is: case $(find "$FNAME" -size -10M) in ?*) ...;; '') ...;; esac |
| 12:03.54 | otisolsen70 | When I use virt-isntall to install a vm with kvm it fails if I am a regular user and works if I am root. What do I need to make it work for a regular user? Should I add the user to group 'kvm'? |
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| 12:05.17 | Walex | otisolsen70: yes. BTW there is also #Virt (and #Debian) on OFTC |
| 12:05.40 | otisolsen70 | Walex, thanks |
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| 12:06.03 | Walex | otisolsen70: if you don't want to you can run virtual machines fully in user mode by using QEmu without the KVM accelerator (but things will be slow) |
| 12:06.07 | otisolsen70 | Walex, it is just that https://wiki.debian.org/KVM fails to mention adding user to kvm group |
| 12:06.23 | otisolsen70 | Walex, I want kvm accel |
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| 12:07.11 | Walex | otisolsen70: 'libvirt' is a layer above QEmu(KVM |
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| 12:08.12 | Walex | otisolsen70: look also at 'man libvirtd' |
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| 12:09.31 | Walex | otisolsen70: also look a the mentions of "root" in 'man virsh' |
| 12:10.07 | Walex | otisolsen70: also at 'ls -ld /dev/kvm' |
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| 13:16.13 | bodqhrohro | How is autoclean supposed to work? I have 3 versions of teamviewer in /var/cache/apt/archives/: teamviewer_14.4.2669_amd64.deb teamviewer_15.10.5_amd64.deb teamviewer_15.17.6_amd64.deb, shouldn't autoremove delete at least two of them? All seem to share the same name "teamviewer", not "teamviewer14"/"teamviewer15" or so. |
| 13:16.22 | wknapik | hi |
| 13:17.26 | wknapik | just registered at salsa.debian.org, but can't log in - "Your account is pending approval from your GitLab administrator and hence blocked". anyone here that could approve? |
| 13:17.50 | bodqhrohro | *shouldn't autoclean delete at least two of them |
| 13:19.44 | tarzeau_ | bodqhrohro: what does dpkg -l |grep teamviewer say? |
| 13:20.12 | tarzeau_ | just teamviewer and then the version separate it appears, just checking to be sure though |
| 13:20.22 | bodqhrohro | tarzeau_: ii teamviewer 15.17.6 amd64 Remote control and meeting solution. |
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| 13:21.14 | tarzeau_ | does apt-get clean clean it up? |
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| 13:44.19 | bodqhrohro | tarzeau_: yes. |
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| 14:23.24 | elios | is there a way to get reminded when there are packages that are ready to be upgraded? |
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| 14:24.36 | sigint | elios, there is apticron to notify you by email |
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| 14:26.24 | bodqhrohro | tarzeau_: so what about autoclean? I already restored /var/cache/apt/archives from a backup :) |
| 14:26.28 | elios | i was thinking about a trayicon, but thanks for the suggestion. |
| 14:27.10 | deadrom | elios: have apticron mail to a local mail account on the machine and make a systray motifier for local mails |
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| 14:28.37 | sigint | elios, on desktop I have notifications "Software Update Available" coming from time to time but I'm not sure how this got setup, it was there by default |
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| 14:54.59 | deadrom | Hi. raid5, 3 disks, /dev/md0p1 with xfs. added one disk. ran a full reshape. ok. partition is still size of 3 disks. gparted updated GPT to reflect new size but I can't get it to expand the p1 partition. help? |
| 14:55.32 | factor | Does anyone know of a joystick mapping program that will map an AXIS value to a button. Say negative value to Left and positive value to right? |
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| 14:56.23 | Walex | deadrom: #mdadm or #Linux-RAID |
| 14:56.52 | deadrom | Walex: thanks |
| 14:57.13 | Walex | deadrom: but what you said makes no sense to me, so perhaps it is my issue or perhaps your imagination has been a bit too wild |
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| 14:57.57 | Walex | factor: that would be game dependent... |
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| 15:00.09 | deadrom | Walex: umm, raid reshape from 3 disks to 4 disks, then expand partitions... that is a thing |
| 15:01.14 | Walex | deadrom: perhaps it is just my limitations, but are your sure you have a good conceptual model of block devices? |
| 15:01.29 | deadrom | Walex: yes. |
| 15:01.55 | Walex | deadrom: then it is must be my own limited understanding :-) |
| 15:03.01 | deadrom | Walex, well, it does ntohing more than reshape the pattern of the checksum stripe distribution, so that's not the issue. I think it's more about the xfs filesyystem on it and the tooling around xfs that are troublesome |
| 15:04.03 | Walex | deadrom: remember you said that you are sure you understand block devices... |
| 15:04.39 | deadrom | Walex: yes. if what I say makes you think otherwise stop the innuendos and please tell me. |
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| 15:06.59 | Walex | deadrom: what are the sizes fo the '/dev/md0' and the '/dev/md01p' block devices? To check by looking at '/sys/block/.../size' |
| 15:07.11 | factor | Walex, not really I am trying to play DIRT4 which only accepts buttons for left or right , while the wheel I have is analog. I just want to convert a positive or negative number to left or right. |
| 15:08.46 | factor | Walex, Would be cool to write my own program to do this for the joystick and send a specific positive value or negative value as left button or right button. |
| 15:09.25 | Walex | factor: sorry no idea whether that is possible at the input subsystem level, I'd buy a gamepad, as to writing a little daemon there are some potential examples |
| 15:09.37 | factor | Walex, Can I pragmatically enable a joystick button vi /sys/input or /dev/input/js0 |
| 15:10.02 | deadrom | Walex: md0 size 70312510464 blocks, md0p1 46875004895 |
| 15:10.13 | cybrNaut | is it a bad time to install Buster? I heard the next release will happen quite soon. |
| 15:11.15 | Walex | factor: check packages 'jstest-gtk', 'joystick', 'joy2key', 'qjoypad', 'triggerhappy' |
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| 15:11.33 | factor | ok |
| 15:11.40 | cybrNaut | would it make more sense to install bullseye now? |
| 15:11.42 | deadrom | cybrNaut: install 10 and dist-upgrade to 11 once it's out - why not? |
| 15:11.49 | Walex | deadrom: Those values might say something to you, I have no idea whether those are the expected values. |
| 15:13.17 | cybrNaut | deadrom: i've been burnt by dist upgrade. I prefer to do fresh installs. My situation is quite complex.. i have a few abandoned fragile pkgs that I keep on life support |
| 15:13.18 | deadrom | Walex: it's 4x12TB in raid5 so the the 70.... number refelcts a usable capacity of 35TB from 4x12TB/R5 quite well, and the 46.... is pretty much the old capacity of 22-23TB from before |
| 15:13.59 | Walex | deadrom: there is your answer. |
| 15:14.05 | deadrom | cybrNaut: relatable. I don't upgrade my other desktop distor because it would break my antique Wacom tablet. |
| 15:14.21 | deadrom | Walex: how so? |
| 15:14.48 | deadrom | Walex: the problem is that I cannot get any tool to grow the p1 partition |
| 15:14.52 | Walex | deadrom: the 'md0p1' block device has not been resized yet. |
| 15:15.26 | deadrom | gparted won't do it, that' my problem. sorry if that wasn't clear. |
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| 15:15.46 | Walex | deadrom: you cannot "grow" partitions, you can delete the partition table entry, recreate it larger being careful to have it start at the same offset, and then resync the partition tables. |
| 15:16.01 | deadrom | if you know another tool to grow it I'd appreciate a hint. |
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| 15:16.45 | Walex | deadrom: that applies to partitions on all block devices, whether physical disks or virtual disks like 'md0'. |
| 15:16.48 | deadrom | well, yes, that is what happens under the bonnet, I'd still like to have a tool do it than manually. where is why I look at gparted, but it won't offer the option. |
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| 15:18.25 | Walex | deadrom: you have too look "under the bonnet", e.g. with 'gdisk' of 'cfdisk'. |
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| 15:19.52 | Walex | deadrom: as I wrote, one cannot "grow" partitions, because "partitions" don't exit, they are not "entities", it is partition table entries that must be redefined in place |
| 15:20.32 | alkisg | gparted has an option to "grow partitions" (which of course means to rewrite the partition table), but I've no idea if it can handle md |
| 15:20.37 | Walex | deadrom: after that is done you can resize the filesystem to the new larger size of the block device. |
| 15:20.44 | alkisg | It works fine for ext4, ntfs etc though |
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| 15:23.51 | deadrom | how do I get gparted in the user's X session again? pkexec won't let me |
| 15:26.46 | Walex | alkisg: that depends on the version of 'gparted'; the one I got here has "Resize/Move" which is basically the same as 'gdisk |
| 15:26.53 | Walex | alkisg: that depends on the version of 'gparted'; the one I got here has "Resize/Move" which is basically the same as 'gdisk' or 'cfdisk' |
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| 15:27.39 | Walex | deadrom: also note the restrictions on the kernel re-syncing/re-reading an updated partition table. |
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| 15:28.38 | heydrickx | Hello all |
| 15:29.15 | heydrickx | I'm having an issue with my router and I really need some help. If someone is available I would be grateful :) |
| 15:29.21 | deadrom | cfdisk did it. |
| 15:29.29 | Walex | deadrom: good good. |
| 15:29.35 | deadrom | reboot now... |
| 15:29.40 | Walex | heydrickx: ##networking ? |
| 15:29.52 | heydrickx | Walex, wifi issue actually |
| 15:29.56 | avu | heydrickx: if the router is running Debian, you're right here, ask away |
| 15:30.01 | Walex | heydrickx: unless the router is Debian related |
| 15:30.05 | heydrickx | My router is a mini-pc with debian. It has two lan interfaces and wifi |
| 15:30.06 | deadrom | heydrickx: and just describe the issue right away, no need to ask if it's ok to ask |
| 15:30.18 | heydrickx | deadrom, Sorry |
| 15:30.58 | heydrickx | So I've installed everything from scratch, starting with debian, then configured everything I needed and installed hostapd for wifi |
| 15:31.58 | deadrom | and? |
| 15:31.58 | heydrickx | Everything works, but the wifi just stops from time to time. When it happens, the lan network keeps working and can access the internet. But the wifi is unavailable and the router is not responding to SSH. It still continue to route the lan network |
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| 15:32.36 | deadrom | heydrickx: what wifi adapter? |
| 15:32.44 | Walex | heydrickx: that happens to me too with flakey WiFi chipsets or drivers. |
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| 15:33.01 | heydrickx | My only solution is a hard reboot of the router. I don't really know where to look. After some searches I thought it was due to transmission-daemon running on an other machine. But even when it's stopped, it keeps happening |
| 15:33.07 | Walex | heydrickx: unloading and reloading the driver usually fixes it for me. |
| 15:34.11 | Walex | heydrickx: sometimes there is some indication in 'dmesg', but sometimes it just "stops working". |
| 15:34.30 | heydrickx | Walex, and the router wasn't responding to SSH neither when it happened to you ? |
| 15:34.51 | deadrom | heydrickx: is adding another rj45 interface an option? in that case I'd actually recommend to get an AP and let the firmware do it's proprietery firmware shenanigans in it's Shenzen box and let you do something better with your precious lifetime. that's how I tackle wifi issues and it works a charm. |
| 15:35.08 | Walex | heydrickx: SSH over WiFi or Ethernet? |
| 15:35.16 | heydrickx | Walex, Ethernet |
| 15:35.42 | heydrickx | deadrom, sorry but what is an AP ? |
| 15:35.53 | Walex | heydrickx: if SSH over Ethernet stops working, there is some kernel bug (probably within the WiFi driver) that causes the kernel to get "stuck". |
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| 15:36.58 | Walex | heydrickx: Either get a dedicatd AP as "deadrom" suggests, or change the WiFi chipset, or change the setup parameters until the bug is no longer triggered. |
| 15:36.58 | heydrickx | Walex, so re-installing the driver may work ? |
| 15:37.30 | heydrickx | Walex, What is an AP ? |
| 15:37.31 | Walex | heydrickx: it could be also a problem with the filesystem/storage driver, or overheating, etc. |
| 15:37.36 | Walex | Access Point |
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| 15:38.37 | Walex | heydrickx: I have found that many USB WiFi sticks have a fairly well debugged "generic" driver. Most Intel WiFi chips seem fairly reliable. |
| 15:38.55 | deadrom | heydrickx: which wifi type, 11ac, 11ax..? |
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| 15:39.33 | heydrickx | deadrom, PC is this one : http://ww1.awow-tech.com/product/awow-ak34-dual-lan-ports-mini-pc/ ... It has11b/g/n/ac |
| 15:39.44 | deadrom | heydrickx: what does lsusb oder lspci tell you about the hardware ID and hat does google tell you from the hardware ID what chipset maker and model it is? |
| 15:39.46 | Walex | heydrickx: in my current laptop, which I use as an AP too with 'hostapd', the Realtek RTL8822BE seems fairly reliable. |
| 15:40.40 | heydrickx | deadrom, in hostapd, I specify hw_mode=g so that's what I actually use |
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| 15:40.47 | Walex | heydrickx: welcome to the realization that drivers, firmwares, etc. are not bug free, and system integration is a difficult task. |
| 15:41.17 | deadrom | "WI-FI: IEEE 802. 11b/g/n/ac 2. 4G+5G" that can be anythign and nothing. look in lspci or lsusb and see what it says there |
| 15:41.47 | heydrickx | deadrom, I'm using 802. 11b/g and 2.4G only |
| 15:42.03 | deadrom | it's fairly possible that debian loads the best fitting module to drive it but the chip still new. |
| 15:42.19 | heydrickx | Walex, I get : Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 (rev 59) |
| 15:42.55 | deadrom | heydrickx: the mode you use is not the issue: it's an 11ac chip and ac chips are not that well docuemtend these days, so no matter what .11 mode you drive, it could still be a fundamental code issu in how the chip talks to the system |
| 15:43.16 | deadrom | Walex: xfs grown to new size, all fine now |
| 15:43.22 | heydrickx | deadrom, so there's nothing I can do except replacing the chipset ? |
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| 15:46.15 | Walex | deadrom: good indeed! |
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| 15:46.56 | deadrom | heydrickx: well, the 7265 is officially supported, the internet says but wifi comes with a grain of lback magic. even if the driver is out there it's possible that the firmware has issues that we don't know about or this NUC based motherboard has some whacky chipset. I saw soem strange issues on NUC form factor boards, even those by intel. since it is intel's spanking newest chip I'd say have a look at what /var/log might hold regarding error |
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| 15:46.58 | deadrom | messages and feed them to you favorite search engine, see if something comes up, and in a pinch... try a newer kernel series |
| 15:47.04 | deadrom | heydrickx: debian 10? |
| 15:47.45 | Walex | heydrickx: eventually the Intel guys get to debug the driver for newer chipsets, but it is not a huge priority for them. Intel also maintains the Linux GPU drivers for their chipsets, but those are fairly buggy too, even if much improved over the past few years. |
| 15:47.49 | heydrickx | deadrom, yes |
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| 15:48.02 | Walex | heydrickx: you could also try backported kernel |
| 15:48.22 | deadrom | Walex: I didn't expect cfdisk to offer the reisze feature, in the past it did not. would have gone there straight away. everyday's a school day... |
| 15:48.47 | heydrickx | Walex, In order to get the driver I installed firmware-iwlwifi. Is it correct or do I miss something ? |
| 15:49.28 | deadrom | heydrickx: debian 10 comes with a 4.19 kernel out of the box and I know there have been *huge* wifi improvements in the 5. kernel series, so yes, backported kernel as Walex suggested |
| 15:49.38 | Walex | heydrickx: that's also needed. But the driver is in one of the kernel packages. |
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| 15:49.54 | deadrom | heydrickx: how new/not new are you to linux? |
| 15:50.41 | heydrickx | deadrom, I used it for several years now. But using debian as a router is new for me |
| 15:51.41 | heydrickx | I'm going to try what you said. But "backported kernel" doesn't mean anyting to me. I'm not familiar with kernel manipulations |
| 15:52.11 | epsilon | heydrickx: do you want to run wifi on that box as client or access point? |
| 15:52.17 | deadrom | heydrickx: the distinction between formware and driver is somewhat tricky. firmware is a dreaded blackbox, always has been, reason we don't like it. you could have the latest driver and all and still firmware is flaky, but still, the kernel module plays a large part, and with wifi issues my first go-to is "latest kernel", in this case a 5 series backpported from debian/testing |
| 15:52.24 | heydrickx | epsilon, as an access point |
| 15:52.48 | deadrom | heydrickx: google debian 10 backports kernel, that should find you a nice howto in no time |
| 15:53.04 | heydrickx | deadrom, I'm on it :) |
| 15:53.20 | heydrickx | https://backports.debian.org/ this looks like a nice place to start |
| 15:54.01 | deadrom | the bot here will tell you, too, I forgot how to invoke it |
| 15:54.21 | heydrickx | I understand I will get more up-to-date kernel but I may lose in stability... right ? |
| 15:54.38 | avu | !bpo kernel |
| 15:54.38 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <buster-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «apt update». To install the current backported kernel: «apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 15:55.37 | heydrickx | I need to go now. Thanks a lot for your help :) I'll definitely try the solution you gave me |
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| 15:56.04 | epsilon | hm, does current intel with closed driver even support hostapd? Haven't used it for years... |
| 15:58.15 | neirac | I need libssl.1.0.0 as some game requires it, is there a package than provides that in buster? |
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| 15:59.32 | Walex | neirac: in general that type of question can be answered with 'apt-file'. |
| 15:59.53 | Walex | neirac: anyhow most likely you can use a package from an earlier release. |
| 16:00.26 | shtrb | Does anyone see my typo in ip route change command ? http://paste.debian.net/1197608/ |
| 16:01.24 | neirac | Walex thanks! |
| 16:01.50 | shtrb | ,file libssl.1.0.0 |
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| 16:01.55 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 16:02.11 | Walex | looks at the sad news from the bot |
| 16:02.42 | shtrb | neirac, are you sure that is the exact name ? maybe you have some typo there ? |
| 16:02.45 | phogg | Walex: surely you mean libssl.so.1.0.0 |
| 16:03.05 | Walex | shtrb: not necessarily a typo |
| 16:03.16 | Walex | ,file libssl.so.1.0.0 |
| 16:03.22 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 16:03.31 | Walex | ,file libssl.so.1. |
| 16:03.37 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 16:04.20 | shtrb | ,file libssl.so.1.1 |
| 16:04.26 | judd | Search for libssl.so.1.1 in buster/amd64: libssl1.1: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.1 |
| 16:04.34 | shtrb | we have a newer version :) |
| 16:04.44 | neirac | yes, but the game needs 1.0.0 |
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| 16:04.57 | Walex | shtrb: try to *add* the route with the different metric, and then delete the one with the previous metric |
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| 16:05.00 | shtrb | Good time to rebild it |
| 16:05.03 | phogg | neirac: can it link to a newer version anyway? Sometimes it is possible |
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| 16:05.22 | shtrb | Walex, that's work for me (that what I do ) I just don't see why the change does not do the job for me |
| 16:05.31 | Walex | phogg: editing SONAMEs is a great crime :-) |
| 16:05.54 | patroxos | hey. i will get debian 10 netinstaller. should i pick the free or non-free (with firmware) iso? my laptop needs firmware for a couple of hardware so i am going to install firmware anyway in the end |
| 16:05.56 | shtrb | Walex, I'm little bit hazed so there might be some incorrect thing I do there |
| 16:06.04 | patroxos | does the non-free install every firmware by default? |
| 16:06.05 | phogg | Walex: I just meant by way of a symlink. Pretend it's the same, see what happens (probably a link error) |
| 16:06.10 | patroxos | or only ones i use |
| 16:06.20 | shtrb | patroxos, it depends if you wish that hardware to work or not :p |
| 16:06.28 | Walex | phogg: the SONAMEs have to match :-) |
| 16:06.38 | patroxos | i will install firmware after installation (if i get the free iso) |
| 16:06.39 | phogg | Walex: you make a compelling argument |
| 16:06.57 | patroxos | but isn't that the same as getting non-free? or non-free installs every other firmware i will also not use |
| 16:07.13 | Walex | bah! That SONAME business is very hard to get around |
| 16:07.40 | Walex | shtrb: not all route changes are allowed, some are ambiguous and are disallowed. |
| 16:07.46 | phogg | time to build your own, old openssl! And then dump it in a place the rest of the system can't find it |
| 16:08.05 | patroxos | does anyone know if the non-free iso installs every available firmware? (which i don't desire) |
| 16:08.12 | Walex | shtrb: ambiguous or whatever the 'iproute2' authors decided was not going to be supported |
| 16:08.19 | shtrb | lol |
| 16:08.20 | shtrb | thanks |
| 16:08.25 | patroxos | and in that case i should go with the free iso and manually install the firmware i need only? |
| 16:08.28 | shtrb | patroxos, it does not infact install everything |
| 16:08.46 | petn-randall | patroxos: If you install with the libre iso, I'd use that. |
| 16:08.50 | petn-randall | *can |
| 16:09.03 | patroxos | petn-randall, i then have to install firmware manually |
| 16:09.10 | petn-randall | patroxos: But most wifi needs non-free firmware, and if you need to use the wifi to access the internet you'll be stuck. |
| 16:09.17 | patroxos | if non-free autodetects firmware missing, and installs ONLY that it would be ideal |
| 16:09.32 | patroxos | i can install with the libre one |
| 16:09.32 | petn-randall | patroxos: Then just use the non-free installer and install/remove only the firmware you want. |
| 16:09.38 | Walex | BTW as to proprietary, I am very impressed with how many games are supported by Steam on Linux, and IIRC Debian Developers get it for free. |
| 16:10.10 | Walex | or at least all the Valve games for free. |
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| 16:11.40 | shtrb | Walex, DD get free steam games ?! |
| 16:13.24 | patroxos | shtrb, the non-free installs only what i need? |
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| 16:13.40 | patroxos | are you certain? |
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| 16:13.55 | shtrb | patroxos, from what I remember |
| 16:14.15 | patroxos | is there a way if i do the installation with the free iso to see what is missing? |
| 16:14.16 | shtrb | There a default set of packages |
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| 16:15.23 | patroxos | ok i will install it |
| 16:15.32 | petn-randall | patroxos: Maybe if you explain what you fear from the non-free installer we might be able to guide you better. |
| 16:15.53 | patroxos | i fear that the non-free installer will install firmware for a myriad devices i dont actually need |
| 16:16.25 | patroxos | while the libre installs nothing and i can pick manually after installation the 3 packages i need. linux-firmware, amd64-microcode, and another firmware for wifi |
| 16:16.26 | petn-randall | patroxos: but you can remove all those quite easily, even if it were the case. |
| 16:16.46 | patroxos | yeah i would rather having just enough |
| 16:16.56 | petn-randall | AFAIR there's some heuristics that it will only install some of those. |
| 16:17.56 | patroxos | https://www.linux.com/training-tutorials/how-install-firmware-debian-enable-wireless-video-or-sound/ |
| 16:18.00 | shtrb | patroxos, at most you can put some extra deb files on a usb get the libre one , and plug and manually install missing packages during process |
| 16:18.24 | patroxos | i read this. he says instead of installing debian non-free and getting every firmware, just get the libre iso, and install the missing firmware from usb stick |
| 16:18.30 | patroxos | or after installation |
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| 16:19.32 | petn-randall | Seems like a lot of extra steps with little benefit. |
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| 16:20.43 | patroxos | yeah never done that before |
| 16:20.49 | patroxos | usually get non-free iso for laptops |
| 16:21.13 | patroxos | (which i have to add isnt so easy to find on the debian ftp server) |
| 16:21.13 | sney | patroxos: the non-free iso will install extra firmware files, yes. they sit in /lib/firmware and if you don't have the associated hardware, the drivers will not load, and the files will simply be on your disk doing nothing |
| 16:22.05 | patroxos | sney, i see |
| 16:22.18 | patroxos | so i might use them in the future with some external device maybe |
| 16:22.31 | patroxos | so its plug and play |
| 16:22.50 | sney | yes, that's a side benefit as well, if you ever have to use some wifi dongle etc |
| 16:23.00 | patroxos | yes thats what i thought |
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| 16:23.47 | patroxos | by the way, the non-free iso of the normal netinstaller , isn't so easy to find |
| 16:23.56 | sney | yes, that's a known issue |
| 16:24.05 | sney | !firmware image |
| 16:24.05 | dpkg | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
| 16:24.09 | sney | the bot knows where it is ^ |
| 16:24.21 | patroxos | i had to go through a maze of links, and i have done that again 4-5 times, so i am not new to debian or the ftp servef |
| 16:25.14 | patroxos | oh so the isos are made by debian devs |
| 16:25.19 | patroxos | the unofficial had be worried |
| 16:25.40 | sney | it's as official as non-free can be. |
| 16:26.10 | patroxos | i see thanks for help |
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| 16:30.20 | hid3 | Greetings everyone. Before I start a certain service, I need to prepare configuration files and start multiple instances. For example, I need to prepare X configs, where X is the number of /dev/ttyACMX devices. Is there any guidance achieving sth similar using systemd? |
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| 16:30.51 | hid3 | Basically I need to spawn X instances with X different config files. A "pre-start" script needs to be launched I guess |
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| 16:45.55 | imMute | hid3: templated service units will be useful. and you can write udev rules that match each device node and cause systemd to start a unit for each. |
| 16:46.33 | imMute | hid3: SYSTEMD_WANTS in the udev rule |
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| 17:01.02 | Battaglin | 11 release eta ? |
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| 17:02.55 | wintersky | they're saying end of the year |
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| 17:05.12 | Battaglin | thnx |
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| 17:08.10 | petn-randall | !wwbr |
| 17:08.10 | dpkg | Now Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released "when it's ready." |
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| 17:23.54 | deadrom | set smbpasswd -a -U joe on deb10. other client machine: smbclient -L server asks for password then says tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 17:24.26 | deadrom | what am I missing? no domain controller, just want a simple share with simple passowrd protection that I can access from other windows and linux machines |
| 17:25.14 | epsilon | does the user exist on the host, not just in smbpasswd? |
| 17:25.27 | deadrom | that user does exist |
| 17:26.30 | epsilon | you have cifs-utils installed? mount.cifs //serverpath /localpath -o user=username |
| 17:27.21 | epsilon | and there must be a share fmatching or that user in etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 17:27.29 | epsilon | *for |
| 17:28.59 | deadrom | epsilon: mount... : "mount error 13: permission denied" |
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| 17:29.21 | deadrom | I created a subdir in the target users home dir and created an entry for that in smb.conf |
| 17:29.22 | epsilon | are you root? |
| 17:29.26 | deadrom | yes |
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| 17:30.15 | epsilon | then probably some misconfiguration in smb, check the logs |
| 17:31.25 | sney | the samba wiki has the best examples for this stuff, https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setting_up_Samba_as_a_Standalone_Server |
| 17:31.46 | sney | also remember that "access denied" is a catchall error for CIFS, it can mean any number of things. |
| 17:32.17 | deadrom | when making changes to smb.conf, restart smbd? not? anything else? |
| 17:32.33 | sney | yes, restart smbd |
| 17:33.23 | epsilon | yea, this [demo] example is fine, short and simple. replace it with joe and it should work |
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| 17:36.18 | jason234 | Dear users, I would like to kindly ask, how is it possible to play the game Roblox under Linux, Debian ? |
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| 17:38.20 | deadrom | jason234: Linux not officially supported. Wine might work. Might. |
| 17:38.59 | sney | look it up on appdb.winehq.org and follow recent examples if present |
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| 17:40.23 | deadrom | in 99 I asked Epic Games if they will be porting more games to Linux since they did with Unreal Tournament, and they even replied: no, easier to port the entire game than just extract the server part for multiplayer hosting |
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| 17:41.46 | [Kraken | so if I'm seeing kernel panic in normal boot And recovery mode (4.19.0-16-amd64) ; though -14 boots fine ; what would be suggested |
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| 17:42.51 | sney | [Kraken: follow https://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug to narrow down when the panic happens. though it is probably safe to just stay with -14. |
| 17:44.52 | deadrom | now this is strange deluxe: I tried the old passwd from a long running samba server on my network that will decomission once all transfers are complete, and that worked. I nowhere told samba to ask other servers for anything. do they sync once they see each other..? |
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| 17:51.59 | [Kraken | sney: the panic message, says 'try passing init= option to kernel' |
| 17:52.28 | [Kraken | maybe If I wait long enough the next kernel will work, and I can just remove -16 for now ? |
| 17:52.46 | sney | [Kraken: init= takes /bin/bash as an option, but the initramfs debug will tell you more. |
| 17:52.50 | sney | [Kraken: sure, that's an option. |
| 17:53.45 | sappheiros | Firefox is resuming, perhaps from sleep or restoring after shutdown, with window offset in the wrong position unable to click-drag to change ... |
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| 17:54.23 | sney | [Kraken: you can 'zless /usr/share/doc/linux-image-4.19.0-16-amd64/changelog.gz' to see if any of the changes/fixes in -16 are relevant to your system. they may not be. |
| 17:54.38 | [Kraken | when and where would I enter ; rootfstype=<rootfstype> |
| 17:55.00 | [Kraken | i'm on a 2nd machine now |
| 17:55.24 | sney | [Kraken: you need to read the description and instructions, not just the code blocks. that says "to fix wrong fs recognition" and is probably not what you need. start at the part that says "rescue shell" |
| 17:56.33 | sney | [Kraken: you can see the same changelog at https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/l/linux-signed-amd64/changelog-4.19.1811 |
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| 18:22.15 | [Kraken | all a bit over my head sney, can't even figure out how to get a rescue shell |
| 18:23.08 | sney | [Kraken: then refer to the part about "it is probably safe to just stay with -14" - the wiki page was merely an option for if you want to investigate the cause of the panic. |
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| 18:27.46 | happy_potato | Hi everybody! One question: do you guys know if I can find a specific channel for the setup of Secure Boot within debian stable? |
| 18:27.58 | Delf | Tried to install nvtop, then there were dependency problems. Now dpkg gets stuck on "Setting up nvidia-installer-cleanup (20151021+9)" |
| 18:28.32 | sney | Delf: pastebin apt's whole output and link here |
| 18:29.10 | sney | happy_potato: most documentation is here, https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot though if you are not building any extra drivers it is generally plug-and-play. |
| 18:29.39 | rr123 | not really debian specific, for priorities, i have realtime 1~99 mapped to -2~-100 under /proc/pid/stat, then I have 0~39 for non-real-time processes, what about -1? |
| 18:29.42 | sney | happy_potato: some EFIs, particularly early revisions, are buggy with non-windows OSes though, so make sure yours is up to date before trying debian. |
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| 18:30.15 | Delf | sney: https://termbin.com/00d1 |
| 18:30.29 | rr123 | process scheduling processes are now from -100...-2, then 0...39, but no -1, does not make sense to me |
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| 18:32.01 | happy_potato | @sney, right, the problem is that after enrolling the certificate into MOK, and so, the system boots (SB validation is still disabled) and I get messages like "PKCS#7 signature not signed with a trusted key" |
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| 18:33.03 | sney | Delf: this only appears if you have used the nvidia installer, rather than the debian packages. nvidia-installer-cleanup is a specialized package to undo the damage it does to a debian system. if you enter N here, what happens? |
| 18:33.07 | happy_potato | This is coming from the modules (zfs-related) that I have built via DKMS. Seems I need to register my private key, the one used to sign those modules, in the kernel? |
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| 18:34.37 | Delf | sney: That's what I did, entered N. Nothing happens, it just gets stuck there, does not consume cpu either |
| 18:35.30 | Delf | So now I cannot install/remove anything because it cannot complete this |
| 18:36.29 | sney | happy_potato: aiui the 4 steps on that wiki page are comprehensive, you generate a key, enrol it, sign the kernel, and then sign the modules. if you did all 4 steps and there are still problems, maybe just do them again to make sure and watch for specific error output during that process |
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| 18:37.36 | [Kraken | w'ok gracias |
| 18:39.05 | sney | Delf: ctrl-c out of that and try running 'nvidia-installer --uninstall' directly, the script is supposed to run it non-interactively with '--no-questions --no-runlevel-check --no-x-check --ui=none' but maybe nvidia changed the command line options |
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| 18:42.43 | [Kraken | as a backup kernel maybe install -13 then apt remove -16 headerss and image ? |
| 18:42.57 | sney | sure. |
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| 19:01.17 | happy_potato | @sney, I have just repeated (a number of times) the process, and I get the same situation. Something weird is that I see my certificate if I do mokutil --list-enrolled... but if I run "dmesg | grep cert", I do not see any mention to it (and in the wiki from debian says I should see something) |
| 19:03.18 | [Kraken | so do I need both the headers and the image packages? |
| 19:03.36 | sney | [Kraken: header packages are for out-of-tree drivers, like nvidia or zfs, are you using any of those? |
| 19:04.47 | sney | happy_potato: and you used your MOK to sign the kernel with sbsign? |
| 19:05.10 | [Kraken | not to my knowledge no :) |
| 19:05.25 | sney | [Kraken: then you do not need headers. |
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| 19:06.24 | sney | you can check if /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates exists to make sure. |
| 19:08.29 | [Kraken | sorry and -common , can remove that presumably |
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| 19:08.43 | [Kraken | oh nvm those are headers |
| 19:11.02 | [Kraken | hmm dpkg -l still shows -16-amd64 installed though I removed and rebooted |
| 19:11.27 | [Kraken | nvm Iol |
| 19:13.29 | happy_potato | @sney, yes |
| 19:13.48 | happy_potato | it reports that the image is already signed, and that the signature will be appended |
| 19:15.09 | [Kraken | better leave headers alone seems to incl. a generic headers package |
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| 19:36.11 | happy_potato | @sney, also: if I use sbverify --list, I see that the kernel has been successfully signed.... But I still get those PKCS warnings about signature not signed with a trusted key |
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| 19:55.19 | happy_potato | @sney, got it: I was getting that error because I had still not enabled secure boot in the EFI. Once enabled, there are no warnings and the system successfully boots. Thank you! |
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| 21:41.29 | deadrom | ext4 cannot shrink? |
| 21:42.38 | deadrom | ah, it's mounted, that's why |
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| 21:57.03 | ndroftheline | what's the most minimal gui i can install on a server |
| 21:57.27 | ndroftheline | sorry |
| 21:57.30 | ndroftheline | desktop environment |
| 21:59.29 | ratrace | well, if you just want a clicky-clicky gui, then a WM like openbox maybe. if you want a bit more elaborate environment, xfce or mate |
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| 22:01.05 | ndroftheline | yeah the diff b/w openbox and xfce looks like about 10mb and a half dozen packages...i think i'll go with xfce for now. thanks |
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| 22:15.56 | deadrom | my NAS box just crashed and I have no idea why. syslog has nothing. any idea where to start investigating? I ran memtest86+ after recetnly bad ram bit me, temperaturewise the system should be ok, power supply is stable... no clue where to look |
| 22:17.27 | ratrace | retroactively nowhere. but you can prime the system for a future crash. export the log to another machine, re-run memtest for at least a day if you haven't, check disks |
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| 22:18.15 | deadrom | ratrace: syslog to loghost? |
| 22:18.42 | ratrace | yea |
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| 22:19.37 | ratrace | also use some kind of graphable monitoring ala munin or zabbix, so you can see trends and changes leading up to the crash |
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| 22:25.58 | Chunkyz | what's a good screen recording software? that's on buster? |
| 22:26.27 | nkuttler | recordmydesktop? |
| 22:26.36 | Chunkyz | name of package? |
| 22:26.42 | nkuttler | guess |
| 22:26.50 | Chunkyz | :/ |
| 22:27.19 | Chunkyz | gtk-recordmydesktop thanks lol |
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| 22:49.17 | kingsley | Can you suggest a nice, user friendly package, with a GUI tool, that reveals the contents of all sessions recorded to a multisession DVD? |
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| 22:52.57 | deadrom | what's a DVD? |
| 22:53.29 | deadrom | tries to remember when last using a DVD |
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| 22:57.28 | deadrom | ratrace: hm, rsyslogd: cannot connect to 192.168.0.14:514: Connection refused [v8.1901.0 try https://www.rsyslog.com/e/2027 ] |
| 22:57.48 | deadrom | that link then says "yeah that's a generic error, look at the error message." well, where is it...? |
| 22:58.02 | deadrom | systems are on same subnet, not firewalled |
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| 23:26.42 | kingsley | deadrom: "DVD" is an abbreviation of "Digital Video Disk". It's like a big CD. |
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| 23:28.37 | deadrom | kingsley: I was pulling your leg. I am surprised that soemone still uses them at all, and then such a fancy features such as multisession. I wasn't even aware DVD does muti-session, thoguht that was for DVD-RAM. But to aid you in your quest, I'd expect writer programs for optical media to give you the information on the sessions |
| 23:29.12 | deadrom | last time I wrote a DVD is years ago so I don't know what's hot right now |
| 23:30.26 | deadrom | (btw it's Digital Versatile Disc, but that's just me being fun at parties :) ) |
| 23:32.44 | deadrom | seriously though, a 64GB thumbdrive is under 10 bucks, why? |
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| 23:43.17 | deadrom | ratrace: machine capsized again. I'm starting to suspect a power supply issue, but no telling like that. will hook a monitor on and see. |
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