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| 00:28.48 | echoSMILE | Is there any know issue(s) with Teams that puts CPU load crazy? |
| 00:29.21 | wyoung | Teams as in the app written by Microsoft? |
| 00:29.34 | echoSMILE | wyoung: yes |
| 00:29.36 | wyoung | That's a Slack clone? |
| 00:29.45 | cybrNaut | i'm struggling to find a torrent for a full Bullseye DVD |
| 00:29.45 | wyoung | Which is a skin ontop of IRC? |
| 00:30.26 | wyoung | echoSMILE: ummmm, well it's a Microsoft product so enough said. VSCode CPU usage goes through the roof for me too. |
| 00:30.36 | cybrNaut | i only find 10.9 => https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 00:31.07 | wyoung | I thought most ISPs limit torrent traffic or even block it. |
| 00:31.16 | echoSMILE | wyoung: well, teams put cpu crazy especially if vscode is running at the same time |
| 00:32.35 | wyoung | If it's based off that node JS platform with an embedded web browser? |
| 00:32.46 | wyoung | s/?// |
| 00:32.56 | wyoung | Then yes, that platform usages a lot of resource |
| 00:32.57 | wyoung | s |
| 00:33.49 | echoSMILE | wyoung: sometimes at my laptop, both work with cpu under 1%, but at random times, teams goes crazy and start using 100% |
| 00:34.05 | echoSMILE | and no way to stop it |
| 00:36.52 | cybrNaut | Bullseye should be here, no? http://mirror.siena.edu/debian/dists/bullseye/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ |
| 00:37.28 | cybrNaut | i see no ISO image |
| 00:37.36 | cybrNaut | ..or torrent file |
| 00:39.35 | cybrNaut | torrent files are small. Why would they be so scarce? It's the one way Debian can cheaply distribute |
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| 00:44.09 | cybrNaut | you would think they would want Bullseye to be easy to get so that the whole world doesn't wait until release then all download it at the same time |
| 00:45.28 | cybrNaut | found it (had to search outside of Debian to find it) https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/bullseye_di_rc1/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 00:46.49 | epsilon | you only want DVD if the machine has no or slow internet |
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| 00:49.33 | cybrNaut | epsilon: or if multiple targets, or if everything must happen over Tor, in which case netinst is a non-starter |
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| 00:52.42 | cybrNaut | in fact, how might I find out if the DVD includes apt-transport-tor? |
| 00:52.47 | epsilon | for multiple target, I'd run a local debian mirror |
| 00:53.41 | cybrNaut | maybe i should grab the blu-ray version just to be sure tor & apt-transport-tor is included |
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| 03:03.49 | alkisg | Grobo: I've noticed that when I put some entries under sshd_config.d/blah.conf, they don't work (while others do), yet when I put them directly in sshd_config, they do work. Can you test if the same settings in the main configuration file work? (do restart sshd to test) |
| 03:04.21 | Grobo | That's my suspicion. I'll check |
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| 03:09.05 | somiaj | could this be the sshd_config is read after sshd_config.d, thus things there would overwrite previous settings? |
| 03:09.54 | somiaj | hmm, I notice here that I don't have sshd_config.d by default, did you have to add a read line to sshd_config for that to work? |
| 03:10.46 | somiaj | Grobo: in sshd_config, do you have the line, "Include /etc/ssh/sshd_config.d/*.conf", if so where is it in relation to other settings? |
| 03:11.28 | somiaj | I just notice that none of my systems here have that |
| 03:12.05 | alkisg | somiaj: e.g. this is on top of bullseye's config: Include /etc/ssh/sshd_config.d/*.conf |
| 03:12.21 | alkisg | Maybe it wasn't there in buster, and it's in testing only |
| 03:13.29 | Grobo | Include /etc/ssh/sshd_config.d/*.conf -- it's at the beginning |
| 03:15.53 | somiaj | so that means configuration options in sshd_config will override options in sshd_config.d |
| 03:16.04 | Grobo | oh? |
| 03:16.08 | somiaj | alkisg: ahh nice, yea it isn't here in buster |
| 03:16.30 | somiaj | Grobo: yea, since it is at the top, those are all read first, then sshd_config is read second, so if there is ever a conflict, the second read will take presedence (my guess) |
| 03:16.55 | Grobo | hmm |
| 03:16.55 | alkisg | Good guess, Grobo if you want, try to put that include at the bottom... |
| 03:17.25 | alkisg | (or put the settings at the end of the main file to check that one first) |
| 03:17.31 | somiaj | this would also explain alkisg observation that some things work and others don't |
| 03:18.21 | alkisg | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=961007 |
| 03:18.22 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/961007 in openssh-server (open): «Some directives are ignored under sshd_config.d»; severity: normal; opened: 2020-05-19; last modified: 2020-05-20. |
| 03:18.39 | alkisg | I had reported a bug about that... |
| 03:19.13 | Grobo | alkisg: Confirmed that it works in sshd_config but not the include |
| 03:19.23 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=961007 |
| 03:19.33 | somiaj | Grobo: if you put the Include at the bottom of the sshd_config file does it then work? |
| 03:19.57 | Grobo | No |
| 03:20.26 | somiaj | Okay, guess my guess was wrong, but look at that bug, aperentally this was a bug in upstream, https://bugzilla.mindrot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3122 |
| 03:21.37 | somiaj | hmm, well that bug report says this was supose to be fixed in 8.4 which is the bullseye version, but it appears the issue is still somewhat present. |
| 03:21.45 | somiaj | There really isn't much info on the debian bug though. |
| 03:21.56 | alkisg | Grobo: which sshd version do you have? |
| 03:22.17 | somiaj | well 8.4p1, wonder what the p1 means in the upstream version |
| 03:23.01 | Grobo | OpenSSH_8.2p1 |
| 03:23.11 | somiaj | Grobo: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 03:23.29 | somiaj | that version of ssh is not really in any debian version |
| 03:23.30 | Grobo | bullseye/sid |
| 03:23.37 | Grobo | on Arm |
| 03:23.38 | somiaj | ,v openssh-server |
| 03:23.39 | judd | Package: openssh-server on amd64 -- jessie: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u8; stretch-security: 1:7.4p1-10+deb9u6; stretch: 1:7.4p1-10+deb9u7; buster-security: 1:7.9p1-10+deb10u1; buster: 1:7.9p1-10+deb10u2; buster-backports: 1:8.4p1-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1:8.4p1-5; sid: 1:8.4p1-5 |
| 03:23.43 | Grobo | aarch64 |
| 03:23.59 | alkisg | My ubuntu 20.04 has 8.2, my debian aarch64 has 8.4p1-5 |
| 03:24.09 | somiaj | ,v openssh-server --arch aarch64 |
| 03:24.10 | judd | Package: openssh-server on amd64 -- jessie: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u8; stretch-security: 1:7.4p1-10+deb9u6; stretch: 1:7.4p1-10+deb9u7; buster-security: 1:7.9p1-10+deb10u1; buster: 1:7.9p1-10+deb10u2; buster-backports: 1:8.4p1-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1:8.4p1-5; sid: 1:8.4p1-5 |
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| 03:24.46 | somiaj | Grobo: aarch64? not arm64? |
| 03:24.47 | Grobo | I see there's an upgrade available for me |
| 03:25.00 | Grobo | aarch64 |
| 03:25.27 | alkisg | dpkg --print-architecture vs uname -m |
| 03:25.27 | dpkg | i don't know, alkisg |
| 03:25.34 | alkisg | It's the first one that matters |
| 03:26.04 | Grobo | $ dpkg --print-architecture \n arm64 |
| 03:26.50 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/ports/ -- I do not see aarch64 as a supported arch. Okay so it is arm64 |
| 03:27.01 | somiaj | ,v --arch arm64 openssh-server |
| 03:27.03 | judd | No package named '--arch' was found in arm64. |
| 03:27.13 | somiaj | ,v openssh-server --arch arm64 |
| 03:27.14 | judd | Package: openssh-server on arm64 -- stretch-security: 1:7.4p1-10+deb9u6; stretch: 1:7.4p1-10+deb9u7; buster-security: 1:7.9p1-10+deb10u1; buster: 1:7.9p1-10+deb10u2; buster-backports: 1:8.4p1-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1:8.4p1-5; sid: 1:8.4p1-5 |
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| 03:27.35 | somiaj | anyways, your system is out dated, It appears the bug you have should be fixed in 8.4 |
| 03:28.10 | somiaj | alkisg: well hopefully on your 8.4 system you don't run into that bug anymore either. |
| 03:28.23 | somiaj | at least if the upstream bugreport is correct that it was fixed |
| 03:29.27 | alkisg | somiaj: yeah possibly; unfortunately I reported the bug for a software I develop, ltsp, not for my local configuration, so I can't use it in ltsp until it's supported in all debian releases, i.e. in 6 years or so :) |
| 03:30.02 | alkisg | I wanted to drop a conffile at sshd_config.d from the ltsp package |
| 03:30.27 | Grobo | Yeah, I'll do an upgrade |
| 03:33.01 | somiaj | Grobo: if running testing you should try to keep up to date as much as possible, makes bug testing far more useful. |
| 03:33.13 | somiaj | and if running stable keep updated for security fixes |
| 03:34.03 | somiaj | and upgarde has been available since 2020-06-09, so for almost a year. |
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| 04:07.38 | boubou | network_broadcast=`echo "$ip_address" | cut -d"." -f1,2,3` |
| 04:07.38 | boubou | echo $network_broadcast |
| 04:08.12 | boubou | read -t 30 -p "What is the gateway ? : " gateway; |
| 04:08.13 | boubou | $network_broadcast.1 |
| 04:08.13 | boubou | export $gateway |
| 04:08.33 | boubou | what is wrong with that ? |
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| 04:15.10 | boubou | is it a way to pt a variable in a read ? |
| 04:15.35 | boubou | if I do gateway=$network_broadcast.1, it works fine |
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| 04:17.50 | boubou | `erase |
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| 07:05.40 | jim | can I search for all uninstalled packages whose packagename starts with a specific string/ |
| 07:05.41 | jim | ? |
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| 07:08.42 | somiaj | not directly, but the --names-only may help limit the results you get from apt search |
| 07:09.38 | somiaj | though if you really want starts with, pipe the output of apt-cache search --names-only string | grep ^string |
| 07:09.58 | somiaj | but in many cases the --names-only flag will limit your matches enough |
| 07:11.18 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html#searchTermName seems aptitude search has some regular expression capability, so aptitude search "?name(^string)" |
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| 07:11.54 | somiaj | jim: ^^ |
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| 07:21.25 | jim | lessee if I still have aptitude |
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| 07:24.05 | jim | somiaj, thanks |
| 07:24.13 | shtrb | Is there a better option to check the current loaded nvidia driver info than "grep -i "NVIDIA GLX Module" /var/log/Xorg.0.log " ? tried modinfo nvidia but it failed |
| 07:24.14 | jim | that worked fine :) |
| 07:24.53 | jim | shtrb, maybe grep the output of lsmod? |
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| 07:25.11 | somiaj | shtrb: you want to know if the nvidia module is loaded or the version of the loaded module? |
| 07:25.31 | shtrb | somiaj, the version of the nvidia module loaded |
| 07:25.51 | somiaj | shtrb: dmesg | grep -i nvidia is another option to see the kernel output |
| 07:25.53 | shtrb | jim, I do not see how I can see module version in lsmod (I know it's loaded) |
| 07:26.04 | somiaj | probably a bit easier than looking at Xorg.0.log which says what xorg is doing |
| 07:26.20 | shtrb | thanks somiaj didn't think about dmesg, sorry |
| 07:26.37 | shtrb | is hazed , and should have think better |
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| 07:28.05 | shtrb | is modinfo simply don't work for non GPL modules ? |
| 07:28.40 | somiaj | I don't see why it won't work, but it more likely gives you info about the module on the disk vs the one loaded in memeory (if there is a version difference) |
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| 07:31.07 | shtrb | somiaj, because if I do modinfo nvidia it fails :-( http://paste.debian.net/1197671/ |
| 07:34.56 | somiaj | shtrb: You can use the full path to the module, so modinfo /lib/modules/..../nvidia.ko (though don't know the actual path) |
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| 07:40.08 | shtrb | yeh , with path it works :) |
| 07:41.03 | somiaj | it is probably depmod (or some other thing) that puts all the module information in a location modinfo can find the module without a full path isn't being updated for that module |
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| 07:42.19 | shtrb | I guess |
| 07:42.41 | somiaj | though that only gives you info about the module on the disk, not the one loaded in memeory, so I think dmesg is probably better for that |
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| 07:44.48 | shtrb | yeh , dmesg if faster :) and easier it's a pitty I didn't think about it first thing |
| 07:45.23 | antto | hm, one of my debians froze during upgrades.. at the "apt-list changes: Reading changelogs" in synaptic |
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| 07:46.08 | antto | i can move the mouse cursor around, but the graphics are frozen including the clock on the panel, cpu meters.. |
| 07:46.28 | shtrb | antto , try to move to tty1 and back to tty7 |
| 07:46.47 | antto | ctrl+alt+F1? |
| 07:47.02 | shtrb | followed by by ctrl+alt+f7 |
| 07:47.10 | antto | no reaction |
| 07:47.17 | antto | also no reaction to pressing numlock |
| 07:47.54 | shtrb | Can you ssh into it or do you see the hdd led blinking ? |
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| 07:48.35 | somiaj | and if ssh isn't running, you can try ping, almost sounds like xorg has crashed, or it could be that you are running low on memeory and everythign is beign swapped, that can make things appear to come to a halt |
| 07:49.08 | antto | just before it froze, it started thinking intensively for a bit (i heard fans spinning up) and then it stopped thinking, now the red LED periodically blinks on |
| 07:49.29 | shtrb | could be X missbehaving |
| 07:50.38 | antto | i *think* there's ping to it |
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| 07:51.19 | antto | oh, i logged into ssh |
| 07:52.02 | shtrb | antto, if you can login into ssh you can check the hogging processes (just don't kill parent process of the update) |
| 07:52.16 | antto | how? |
| 07:52.55 | antto | (it's been frozen for 10 minutes now, i don't think it's RAM/swap) |
| 07:53.10 | shtrb | top or ps aux |
| 07:53.46 | antto | in top i see 99.0% CPU for Xorg |
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| 07:54.06 | antto | yet i don't hear intensive fans spinning anymore |
| 07:55.52 | antto | so, should i pkill Xorg or something? |
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| 07:58.06 | somiaj | antto: what is the output of free -h (this can help decide if it is ram/swap) |
| 07:59.10 | antto | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e3128efa/ |
| 08:00.03 | somiaj | okay, yea memeory is fine, guess something else has caused your xorg to crash. What type of upgrade where you doing? |
| 08:01.06 | shtrb | how much free disk space do you have ? xorg can crash or lock if there is no disk space for the current logged in user |
| 08:01.18 | antto | hadn't booted this debian since a long time, i Reloaded and Marked all upgrades.. there were many new versions of things, firefox v68 to 78 or so, for example, also, new versions of the kernel, grub, etc.. |
| 08:01.33 | antto | not sure about disk space :/ |
| 08:01.51 | somiaj | antto: what version of debian do you run? |
| 08:01.58 | antto | 10 |
| 08:02.09 | somiaj | do you mean firefox-esr? |
| 08:02.15 | antto | yes |
| 08:02.23 | antto | the one from synaptic |
| 08:02.35 | somiaj | I guess there have been a point release, just making sure you weren't trying to say mix stable/testing |
| 08:02.59 | antto | no, it's debian stable |
| 08:03.16 | somiaj | anyways, you might just need to reboot the machine and then see if you can fix the upgrade using apt (generally better to use for this anyways) |
| 08:04.04 | antto | somiaj, from last time i had upgrades to be interrupted, i remembered that this will break my grub at least |
| 08:04.09 | somiaj | It could be that maybe some xorg packages and various things were upgraded, and the upgrade caused a problem while running xorg. It is often suggested you at a minimum run upgrades in screen/tmux just in case xorg crashes during the upgrade (as you see it can happen) |
| 08:04.10 | antto | i wanna avoid this |
| 08:04.29 | antto | hm |
| 08:04.58 | somiaj | since you didn't run the upgrade in screen/tmux and it is stuck in a crashed xorg, I don't know of a way to recover it. I guess you could try to kill xorg and all the offending processes then see if you can finish the upgrade from over ssh (I just suggested a reboot since it was the easiet to get back to a nice clean state) |
| 08:06.09 | antto | i don't know about this screen/tmux, isn't that h4x0r-grade stuff? |
| 08:06.17 | somiaj | !screen |
| 08:06.17 | dpkg | screen is a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add key bindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and ask about <screen tutorial>, <byobu>. See http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnuScreen to keep ctrl-a unbroken. http://www.gnu.org/software/screen #screen on irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:07.00 | antto | i'm more a GUI click-clackz0r :/ |
| 08:07.08 | somiaj | basically it just lets you run a terminal that isn't attached to a specifc tty/pty, so if say in this case xorg crashed, you could reattach yourself to the running screen/tmux session in the same state. |
| 08:07.42 | antto | but i upgraded via synaptic |
| 08:07.42 | somiaj | I would suggest in the future trying to learn a little bit about the cli, as doing these types of upgrades from apt inside a screen/tmux session could avoid some of these issues in the future. |
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| 08:08.02 | somiaj | yea in this case, since it appears your xorg has crashed, it took synaptic with it. |
| 08:08.19 | somiaj | I don't know of any way to recover that (it might be possible but I don't think so) |
| 08:08.48 | antto | if i just press the reset button, grub is gonna be broken, isn't it? |
| 08:09.14 | somiaj | hard to say, it really depends on where during the upgrade it crashed. |
| 08:09.26 | somiaj | there is a good chance it will be fine, but again it depends. |
| 08:09.27 | antto | it froze in the middle of "reading changelogs" |
| 08:09.53 | somiaj | It might just have been waiting for you to hit okay, so that is probably a decent place as it wasn't in the middle of doing things, but waiting to start doing things. |
| 08:09.54 | antto | with progress bar at about 60-70% |
| 08:11.04 | antto | i think this dialog comes before the actual unpacking and such |
| 08:11.37 | antto | usually there are no messages in it, so after it "thinks" it goes away.. sometimes i've seen text come up in it which i have to read first |
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| 08:13.18 | antto | my uneducated nose tells me to try to kill xorg and try to complete the upgrade before rebooting |
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| 08:13.56 | antto | accentuates on "uneducated" |
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| 08:35.04 | antto | pkill Xorg - nothing happens |
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| 09:14.10 | antto | okay, i did the REISUB thing and then grub/systemd was okay, i did "apt upgrade" from textmode |
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| 09:58.37 | Botyuba | Hi Debianis, how can I cut the generic internet connection when my vpn becomes disconnect? |
| 09:59.01 | Botyuba | My goal: not use fireforx or buttorrent or irc with my true IP exposed |
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| 10:13.21 | shtrb | drop the default gw and dns records , have a static route to your vpn |
| 10:13.28 | shtrb | Botyuba, ^ |
| 10:14.35 | Botyuba | shtrb: so i can only connect to one of the vpn's servers? |
| 10:14.39 | shtrb | yep |
| 10:15.10 | shtrb | you can even add a rule in your firwall to drop any outgoing connection to anything other than your vpn server ip |
| 10:17.25 | Botyuba | so i could in theory put a DROP policy for in and outgoing, and then only have exceptions for each and every vpn server as well as my lan? |
| 10:18.12 | Botyuba | i think lan is just 0.0.0.0 and then i add additional exceptions for each and every vpn server i want to add |
| 10:18.32 | Botyuba | i am using the classical iptables directly as a firewall |
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| 10:25.41 | shtrb | Botyuba, yes, lock everything allow only a specific set , do not set 0.0.0.0 (it's everything) |
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| 10:26.34 | shtrb | If your vpn provide you routes and a tap access it's even easier to block everything and allow traffic only via the tap device |
| 10:27.43 | Botyuba | Ah, i understand now, so tap, so i i understand the penultimate statement correctly, i should use 192.168.1.0/24 to refere to lan instead |
| 10:28.35 | shtrb | (*) If that's your network, you can also ask at ##networking if you don't get answers here fast enough |
| 10:28.40 | Botyuba | wouldn't 192.168.1.0/24 still refer to EVERYTHING as the router is incluided there too? |
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| 10:34.49 | shtrb | no , it just talk about 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.255 |
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| 12:12.20 | EdePopede | fritzbox seems to be problematic with its DNS? |
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| 12:13.52 | EdePopede | couldn't use youtube-dl for maybe an hour now (the open programs all are running on a .fritz.box host though), lsof showed me it was running on a weird numbered hostname? |
| 12:14.20 | kirk781 | maybe youtube changed the API again and youtube-dl needs to be updated |
| 12:14.31 | EdePopede | no, works now again |
| 12:15.59 | EdePopede | i also tried different versions i still have here and some other sites (which were working yesterday), and nothing changed since |
| 12:16.09 | EdePopede | it's definitely the dns thing |
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| 12:39.24 | EdePopede | connected to irc with telnet, used the "normal" hostname (i still have to get used to all of it, new provider, new router) |
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| 12:39.52 | EdePopede | what *could* add "-5" (like it did before) or maybe some other number to the hostname? and who decides what hosts a program uses when it's started? |
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| 12:46.57 | EdePopede | avahi was running amok 1.5 hrs ago, some more entries 1h later |
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| 12:51.21 | EdePopede | OMG avahi is Poettering. what else Oo |
| 12:52.15 | ratrace | systemd! pulseaudio! |
| 12:52.26 | wyoung | pulseaudio is the worst |
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| 12:52.50 | ratrace | however, avahi wasn't LP's original project, he joined his mdns implementation with it later |
| 12:53.26 | phogg | he works on other stuff, but those are the big headline items |
| 12:53.35 | ratrace | pulseaudio is dead. long live pipewire and 10 more years of half-assed half-buggy audio server until it matures and we can kill it and start writing NodeAudio from scratch! |
| 12:53.38 | EdePopede | is avahi even NEEDED? |
| 12:54.01 | ratrace | EdePopede: it's a linux zeroconf client. if you need zeroconf client, avahi is needed. |
| 12:54.03 | EdePopede | in wikipedia it sounds like something you'd need in a company network |
| 12:54.27 | ratrace | but the REAL gem is when you learn that Digital Ocean are so noob, the use Avahi to setup network on VMs! |
| 12:54.27 | EdePopede | i have ONE computer which was connected to a cable modem until recently and now to a fritz box |
| 12:54.33 | phogg | EdePopede: avahi is not needed by most people, IMO |
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| 12:54.56 | EdePopede | fine, then i'll drop it after the upgrade |
| 12:55.21 | ratrace | but then your printer won't announce itself to windozes and osxes! |
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| 12:55.43 | EdePopede | i feel like i wanna cry already seeing what's running in the background already. |
| 12:55.54 | EdePopede | do i have a printer? |
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| 12:56.05 | EdePopede | technicalle i even have 2, i just don't use them |
| 12:56.13 | ratrace | been there, done that. two box of tissues later, I switched to i3-wm and carefully crafted UI environment. |
| 12:56.13 | phogg | EdePopede: Does this sound familiar? "$a was working, then it stopped. I found that $b was running, so I removed it. Now $a works again." You can use "name resolution" or "playing audio" for $a, and "avahi" or "pulse" for $b. |
| 12:56.23 | EdePopede | don't print for just 2 weeks and you can buy new ink |
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| 12:56.36 | phogg | For his third attempt he was cleverer and made the fix much harder. |
| 12:57.49 | EdePopede | the thing is firefox/hexchat are using host.fritz.box for their connections, youtube-dl suddenly was running on host-5.fritz.box. then suddenly it was ok again. i suppose that's the 2 blocks of entries i found in syslog. |
| 12:57.56 | ratrace | good thing IBM nixed it and is now reinventing all the bugs via PipeWire |
| 12:58.06 | phogg | In all seriousness I think pipewire is here to stay, unless something fundamentally changes in the demands of the audio world. I don't see any fundamental problems with it that can't be solved. |
| 12:58.21 | ratrace | that was said for pulseaudio |
| 12:58.23 | EdePopede | ping and traceroute on host-5 didn't even work btw. |
| 12:58.28 | phogg | ratrace: never by me |
| 12:58.34 | ratrace | I was there when lenny said it, on a conference. and all I got was a lousy t-shirt! |
| 12:58.43 | ratrace | *at a conference |
| 12:58.48 | phogg | ratrace: pulseaudio had some pretty obvious deficiencies from the very start |
| 12:59.05 | ratrace | yeah |
| 12:59.15 | ratrace | it got all the hate because distros pushed it out before it was ready |
| 12:59.18 | phogg | ratrace: you have to take what he says as marketing speak. I think he gets paid for every install or something. |
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| 12:59.34 | EdePopede | with alsa i could have active speakers and phones at the same time. no more since pulse. |
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| 12:59.49 | ratrace | phogg: think of it this way. systemd is then going to be replaced Soon(tm) :) |
| 13:00.02 | ratrace | with whatever IBM finds as a better replacement :) win-win! |
| 13:00.07 | phogg | ratrace: I have absolutely no doubt, but the timeline is more like "eventually(tm)" |
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| 13:00.27 | EdePopede | i understand that it doesn't work on my 80s hifi, since it's a simple mechanical solution there. so i was surprised to see it's possible on linux. and then there came pulseaudio. |
| 13:00.35 | ratrace | when the BadThings start overtaking GoodThings in systemd and people will have had enough. |
| 13:00.50 | phogg | ratrace: there are without a doubt fundamental flaws and an appetite for a better-designed system which accomplishes some of the same technical feats without the politics and drama. In that way it is much like pulse. |
| 13:01.04 | EdePopede | like with dropping MS Office in the gov after 20 years? |
| 13:01.14 | ratrace | EdePopede: the joke is that Alsa later got the ability to multichannel so (one of the) initial premise for PA was busted shortly later |
| 13:01.27 | EdePopede | nice |
| 13:01.31 | phogg | EdePopede: which government is doing that? |
| 13:01.58 | phogg | ratrace: it's hard to say that wasn't hastened by the competition |
| 13:02.08 | EdePopede | phogg: just a situation. won't work. though Munich seems to return to at least OSS, even if ignoring the F for now. |
| 13:02.37 | ratrace | EdePopede: Munich is flipping between Win and FOSS so frequently, you can't even use those news as PRNG any more :) |
| 13:02.49 | phogg | EdePopede: it's still good to hear. Governments certainly should be striving in that direction by policy, however little they succeed. |
| 13:03.03 | EdePopede | their excuse to return to MS was "our office workers were not able to use LibreOffice" or something that stupid |
| 13:03.20 | EdePopede | phogg: data protection. MS never will be able to guarantee it. |
| 13:04.02 | EdePopede | and then the problems using old files. i should still have something around from word 4. i doubt their newest product will be able to open them :) |
| 13:04.34 | EdePopede | ratrace: don't forget, their prefered place to do even politics is in a beer tent ;) |
| 13:04.36 | phogg | EdePopede: MS Office is actually a lot like Unix. A collection of generic utilities that the end user can combine in useful ways to solve a much larger number of problems. |
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| 13:04.46 | ratrace | EdePopede: har har har! :) |
| 13:04.57 | shtrb | phogg, flipping to FOSS is not always really in FOSS favor, I know of a certain municipally department that had Open Source activists code for them to develop a system that was used only by that department and the activists didn't get payed (the code should still be at github or something like that) |
| 13:04.58 | phogg | EdePopede: It's just too bad that they forgot "do one thing well" and "operate on streams of text." |
| 13:05.45 | ratrace | but it wasn't a tent originally, 'twas a beer hall. Bürgerbräukeller. :) |
| 13:05.46 | phogg | shtrb: I still call it a good thing. In the long run governments must move away from closed software, or nationalize the companies they buy it from. |
| 13:05.56 | shtrb | Also a curse on docx and xlsx |
| 13:06.01 | EdePopede | a lot of bug fixes which never happened, a lot of features (read: code) implemented in the core. |
| 13:06.20 | EdePopede | ratrace: politischer Aschermittwoch ;) |
| 13:06.41 | ratrace | lol |
| 13:06.43 | shtrb | phogg, the problem is it's a project that will not be used by anyone and is no more than a hobby project that the devs did not get payed for it |
| 13:07.25 | EdePopede | important FOSS projects should definitely get tax support. |
| 13:07.41 | shtrb | tax support ? people need to pay rent and pay for food |
| 13:07.47 | phogg | shtrb: sounds like most software to me |
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| 13:08.16 | EdePopede | there's a *need* for software meeting certain criteria and commercial software won't be able to fulfill them all. never ever. |
| 13:08.40 | EdePopede | like proved GDPR compliance and no hidden costs and backdoors and what not. |
| 13:09.27 | shtrb | let start they all drop all links to CDNs ,google ,amazon,micrsoft and facebook from all sites |
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| 13:10.17 | phogg | If you are a major government and you are not paying a retainer to an active openssl developer you're a fool. |
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| 13:10.35 | EdePopede | how about a button in the browser which sends a mail complaining about such connections whenever an official site implements something shady? |
| 13:10.47 | Delf | Thanks you, sney |
| 13:11.12 | EdePopede | phogg: even more if as a government you want to keep backdoors alive to get around privacy tools |
| 13:11.53 | EdePopede | phogg: backdoors which work only for yourself ofc. because the dealer on the darknet promised you to not sell it to anybody else. |
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| 13:17.47 | Na_Klar | I have to do some piping. I mkfifo a pipe and then "tail -n 1 -f /pipe | someprog". which works fine. then I tried "someprog | otherprog" which worked fine as well. but when I "tail -n 1 -f /pipe | someprog | otherprog" and then write something to /pipe, the "otherprog" does not catch any stdout from "someprog". what am I missing? |
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| 13:26.23 | EdePopede | nothing, not even later? |
| 13:26.33 | Na_Klar | never |
| 13:26.51 | EdePopede | there was something with caching iirc |
| 13:27.11 | Na_Klar | who caches? tail? |
| 13:27.29 | EdePopede | from SE: unbuffer x | unbuffer -p y | z |
| 13:27.33 | EdePopede | the pipe in bash |
| 13:27.58 | EdePopede | you could try with grep ^ so it just passes it through |
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| 13:29.07 | Na_Klar | why should the pipe not pass to tail just because it buffers smth? |
| 13:29.09 | EdePopede | or `stdbuff`: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/25378 |
| 13:29.27 | EdePopede | iirc this was the one i used long ago, its gnu coreutils. |
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| 13:32.16 | Na_Klar | "stdbuf -i0 -o0 -e0 tail -n1 -f /pipe | someprog | otherprog" did not change the behavior |
| 13:32.23 | EdePopede | works: tail -n 1 -f pipe | stdbuf -oL -eL grep ^ | grep ^ |
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| 13:34.03 | chilversc | Is there a limit of 255 block devices for a single hard drive? When running partprobe I get "Error: Partition(s) 256 on /dev/sdb have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change" |
| 13:34.22 | EdePopede | Na_Klar: tail -n 1 -f pipe | stdbuf -oL -eL grep ^ | stdbuf -oL -eL grep ^ | grep ^ |
| 13:34.23 | Na_Klar | EdePopede: yes |
| 13:34.29 | Na_Klar | first one worked |
| 13:34.45 | EdePopede | Na_Klar: both are needed. so in chains it seems the output is buffered |
| 13:36.01 | Na_Klar | EdePopede: why line buffering instead of switching buffering off? |
| 13:36.14 | xand | chilversc: 256 partitions is the limit for GPT... you have that many?! |
| 13:36.27 | EdePopede | Na_Klar, to bring in the usual source ;) https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/009 |
| 13:36.39 | EdePopede | Na_Klar: because text in my testcase |
| 13:38.10 | Na_Klar | EdePopede: thanks a lot, that is very helpful |
| 13:38.17 | EdePopede | fine :) |
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| 13:39.18 | chilversc | I have 1000, I increased the table size for GPT so it's created the volumes I just can't address more than 255 |
| 13:39.40 | xand | chilversc: linux does not support that, why on earth would you have so many? |
| 13:39.43 | chilversc | and yes, I have that many, I'm running some tests to stress the limits for re-exporting NFS mounts |
| 13:39.49 | xand | I see |
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| 14:28.00 | Peyam | has anyone used hblock? |
| 14:28.20 | EdePopede | at least the developers i hope |
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| 14:35.01 | ratrace | badum-tss! |
| 14:35.11 | ratrace | !anyone |
| 14:35.11 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 14:38.46 | petn-randall | Peyam: It's best if you ask your actual question. That saves at least one round trip. |
| 14:39.12 | Peyam | How good is Hblock? |
| 14:41.43 | petn-randall | Peyam: <-------> this good. |
| 14:42.26 | Peyam | awesome |
| 14:42.57 | petn-randall | Peyam: In all seriousness: What are you trying to accomplish? hblock seems to have a very specific use case. |
| 14:43.17 | EdePopede | unclear questions need long answers, something that fits better into a blog (like someone writing software tests) |
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| 14:49.14 | unixbsd | shreeka: I have made your live mem usb pendrive |
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| 15:36.31 | Peyam | petn-randall, I want to be able to block ads without using adblock extensions in FF |
| 15:37.39 | petn-randall | Peyam: You're essentially trusting your DNS to a 3rd party, so I'd rather install adblock in FF than allow someone else to control my name resolution of my whole system. |
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| 15:38.10 | Peyam | petn-randall, no . I fear nothing |
| 15:39.03 | wintersky | nothing is impressed |
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| 15:44.39 | EdePopede | Peyam: once i had some /etc/hosts redirects which blocked already a lot of ads. and then a script blocker, never used a "real" adblocker. |
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| 16:02.20 | unixbsd | somiaj: it seems that he is not there today, anyhow, here the amd64 edition that would give him a fix for his LVM: https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/pcmedkit/-/blob/master/release-v3/pcmedkit-memstick-release-v3-ramdisk-devuan-4.9.0-11-amd64.img.gz |
| 16:03.14 | blackroot | i chmod'ed a file to 444, not i cant chmod, chown or delete the file. what do i do? |
| 16:03.32 | Peyam | petn-randall, I was not satisfied with that thing and now I can not remove it |
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| 16:04.04 | jelly | blackroot, what is the complete path to that file and does the user have write permissions for the _directory_ where that file is? |
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| 16:04.43 | petn-randall | Peyam: I guess you fear something then. |
| 16:04.49 | Peyam | petn-randall, yes. |
| 16:05.00 | blackroot | jelly: it's wp-config.php for a wordpress installation, and yes root has access to the parent folder |
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| 16:08.02 | Peyam | petn-randall, help me to remove it? |
| 16:11.10 | ratrace | apt remove doesn't work? |
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| 16:13.45 | Peyam | no |
| 16:13.54 | Peyam | :( |
| 16:14.09 | ratrace | why not, what error do you get? |
| 16:15.40 | Peyam | E: Unable to locate package hblock |
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| 16:16.22 | jelly | ,v hblock |
| 16:16.23 | judd | No package named 'hblock' was found in amd64. |
| 16:16.37 | jelly | Peyam, how did you install it? |
| 16:16.45 | Peyam | https://github.com/hectorm/hblock |
| 16:16.50 | jelly | fears "git clone ..." |
| 16:16.59 | jelly | that's an URL not an installation method, Peyam |
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| 16:17.37 | Peyam | the command is there `hblock` |
| 16:17.49 | Peyam | but i want to remove everything |
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| 16:19.34 | jelly | Peyam, if they don't have uninstallation instructions, you'll probably have to restore the original /etc/hosts file manually and remove the directory with the code, and the files their installation method placed on your system |
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| 16:20.42 | jelly | if you installed stuff circumenting the package system, you also have to remove them without the package system helping hand |
| 16:22.32 | jelly | Peyam, do you understand what the commands used for installation did? |
| 16:22.42 | Peyam | ye |
| 16:23.28 | jelly | then remove all the files they created, and all the services they installed, and restore changed files from backup |
| 16:23.50 | Peyam | jelly, I don't know how to kill it. |
| 16:23.56 | Peyam | htop shows nothing |
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| 16:25.39 | Peyam | what is the default /etc/hosts for debian? |
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| 16:27.45 | somiaj | Peyam: it is fairly minimial, contains basically localhost for ipv4 and ipv6 also see ip6-allnodes and ip6-allrouters |
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| 16:28.48 | somiaj | though unsure if it adds your domain name if you ahve internet durning the install, but fairly minimial and easy to edit if you nee to change it |
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| 17:47.11 | cybrNaut | i just downloaded the 6 gig ISO image for bullseye, and the sha256sum doesn't match |
| 17:47.38 | cybrNaut | that fucking sucks.. not just for me but for the debian server |
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| 17:48.30 | cybrNaut | they really need to fix whatever is wrong with the .torrent, which ensures that the hash matches for every piece as it goes |
| 17:48.45 | somiaj | why don't you just download the netinstall? |
| 17:49.02 | cybrNaut | somiaj: netinst can't do Tor |
| 17:49.22 | cybrNaut | (presumably) |
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| 17:51.29 | cybrNaut | the filename slightly differs. I downloaded "debian-edu-testing-amd64-BD-1.iso", but the SHA256SUMS file gives the hash for "debian-edu-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-BD-1.iso" |
| 17:51.48 | petn-randall | They're not the same contents, either. |
| 17:52.08 | petn-randall | cybrNaut: Doesn't the torrent come with it's own SHA256SUM and signature? |
| 17:52.18 | cybrNaut | obviously. this is the bad file => https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-bd/debian-edu-testing-amd64-BD-1.iso |
| 17:52.51 | cybrNaut | petn-randall: the torrent is broken |
| 17:54.35 | somiaj | why are you using the weekly builds and not rc1? |
| 17:56.29 | cybrNaut | not sure.. i think i was unable to find the rc1 file. it was quite a search just to find a Bullseye ISO. |
| 17:56.46 | sney | !testing installer |
| 17:56.46 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:57.04 | sney | it's pretty reliable atm, but expecting release quality from a pre-release installer is only setting yourself up |
| 17:57.05 | somiaj | You might want to wait for the release, it could be the issue you are running into is just due to these weekly builds |
| 17:57.07 | cybrNaut | i think i found it |
| 17:57.39 | sney | if you can reproduce the same checksum issue with a buster installer then please file a bug, otherwise it'll most likely come out in the wash |
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| 18:01.16 | jhutchins | Torrent density is not going to be very good for a version that hasn't officially releasedyet. |
| 18:01.40 | sney | particularly the specialized edu image at that |
| 18:01.46 | jhutchins | Why would you need to be clandestine about downloading a linux iso? |
| 18:02.05 | sney | that is irrelevant though |
| 18:03.18 | alkisg | Works for me: $ sha256sum debian-edu-testing-amd64-BD-1.iso |
| 18:03.19 | alkisg | 6a025f780897a37db60853c9d4ea1da4a7a1b5fb1136cef9696bf3c7a22f7f43 debian-edu-testing-amd64-BD-1.iso |
| 18:03.53 | alkisg | Maybe some local region server was getting updated at that time |
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| 18:23.19 | RoyK | hm - what's the manual that describes zfs compression? I tried a few. Just wondered what was default now |
| 18:25.10 | Reviziis | Hey guys.. Just installed Debian 10 XFCE using the non-free iso. I noticed in synaptic that there's a ton of hunspell stuff installed. What's the easiest way to completely remove all hunspell stuff without having to manually select everything in synaptic.... |
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| 18:26.34 | sney | no idea how to do it in synaptic, but 'aptitude remove ~ihunspell' would remove any installed packages with that in the name |
| 18:27.00 | unixbsd | Reviziis: basically all packages can look like this. the only way would be to recompiel it your own |
| 18:27.08 | ratrace | RoyK: Checked the ZFS Github? that's pretty much the base ops and docs for the filesystem |
| 18:27.18 | petn-randall | Reviziis: `apt purge 'hunspell*'` also works. |
| 18:27.23 | Reviziis | Ok thanks for the heads up :) |
| 18:27.23 | ratrace | RoyK: default is lz4 iirc, and lately zstd is available |
| 18:27.33 | sney | they were likely pulled in by your desktop metapackages though, so you may also see some packages you want to keep being removed |
| 18:27.55 | sney | if you aren't short on disk space, it may be wiser to just disable spell checking in whatever application you're using where it bothers you |
| 18:28.06 | unixbsd | Reviziis: apt-get install --no-install-recommends example-package-name |
| 18:29.40 | Reviziis | Thanks for the tips :) Might just leave it installed. Was only going to uninstall it because the system will mainly be used for gaming, YouTube & discord.... |
| 18:29.48 | RoyK | ratrace: I just wondered why that wasn't in the manual, really |
| 18:30.08 | ratrace | RoyK: it should be. Are you reffering to the new, 2.0+ manual, or the old one? |
| 18:30.13 | RoyK | lz4 has been default for years, so I thought it would still be that, but after splitting up the manpages, I can't find it |
| 18:30.27 | RoyK | this is buster |
| 18:30.34 | RoyK | nothing fancy |
| 18:31.05 | ratrace | RoyK: yes the split up manpages are a damned shame, nothing can be found now |
| 18:31.30 | ratrace | I have ZERO clue where the properties are documented, and iirc the default should be mentioned for the dataset property "compression" |
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| 18:32.00 | RoyK | I guess some smartass found that they were too long and just split them without adding hints on where to find the stuff |
| 18:32.16 | ratrace | indeed. systemd at least has the grep'able systemd.directives(5) |
| 18:32.42 | ratrace | and to think ZFS originated in the BSD land that laughed at linux for lack of good manpages. TROLOLO merry had a little lamb and what goes around comes around. |
| 18:32.55 | ratrace | (yea yeah, solaris ain't bsd, I know) |
| 18:33.44 | RoyK | ratrace: zfs came from opensolaris and was adopted by freebsd and is now more or less the same across platforms |
| 18:33.50 | ratrace | AH! here we go. zfsprops(8) |
| 18:34.00 | ratrace | RoyK: I know, I've been there at the beginning ;) |
| 18:34.37 | RoyK | hm current default compression algorithm is either lzjb or, if the lz4_compress feature is enabled, lz4. |
| 18:34.50 | ratrace | and that one's enabled since v5000 iirc |
| 18:35.24 | RoyK | but zfs get compression only shows on, without saying anything about whether lz4 is enabled or not |
| 18:35.31 | RoyK | I guess it's lz4, though |
| 18:35.34 | ratrace | check zpool properties |
| 18:36.49 | ratrace | zpool get feature@lz4_compress <pool> |
| 18:36.58 | RoyK | extern feature@lz4_compress active local |
| 18:36.58 | RoyK | extern feature@zstd_compress enabled local |
| 18:37.11 | RoyK | that's from zpool get all |
| 18:37.12 | ratrace | yah zstd is now a thing with zfs |
| 18:37.36 | ratrace | BUT it's underwhelming. ZSTD is good only if you want to beat GZ compressratio at the price of some speed |
| 18:37.43 | ratrace | if speed is neeed, lz4 still is the king |
| 18:37.53 | ratrace | zstd is at lz4 speed but at much lower compressratio |
| 18:38.13 | RoyK | I've used lz4 for about a decade and I know it works ;) |
| 18:38.18 | ratrace | same here |
| 18:38.52 | RoyK | I guess 'active' is the one activated and 'enabled' is just 'hanging arund'? |
| 18:38.59 | unixbsd | cd |
| 18:39.09 | RoyK | ~> |
| 18:39.09 | apt | > is, like, redirection of stdout to a file. |
| 18:40.10 | ratrace | RoyK: yes |
| 18:40.49 | ratrace | RoyK: enabled also implies versioning. eg, a pool with that enabled cannot be imported with the .ko versio that doesn't support it |
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| 18:56.30 | RoyK | ratrace: I doubt I'll need to import this pool to something older anyway |
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| 21:00.04 | Diagon | Anyone have experience with btrbk? In particular privilege separation with btrfs-progs-btrbk? |
| 21:00.54 | Diagon | This is a patch-set for btrfs-progs. I'm wondering why not just write a bunch of scripts for eg btrfs-subvolume-show and the like. |
| 21:02.09 | sney | binary tools can be faster and have fewer runtime dependencies than scripts. |
| 21:02.33 | sney | but for btrfs internals/development discussion, you might have better results in #btrfs. #debian is more of an existing usage/support channel. |
| 21:03.11 | Diagon | Well, btrbk is actually just a script, so ... ? |
| 21:03.45 | Diagon | Not sure if #btrfs has much connection to btrbk, but ... I suppose I could try there, thanks. |
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| 21:25.12 | azur12 | Hi, I try to install few packages but get problems https://bpa.st/STFQ. Any ideas how to resolve that? |
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| 21:32.08 | sney | azur12: what debian version is this? please pastebin your sources.list as well as 'apt policy libglib2.0-dev' |
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| 21:45.27 | azur12 | sney: it's 10.9. The sources.list https://bpa.st/YMXA. apt policy https://bpa.st/SRIA |
| 21:46.15 | Mister00X | stretch + stable sources are propably a bad idea |
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| 21:49.12 | azur12 | I see, how to fix that? |
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| 21:50.46 | Mister00X | at this point in time probably by upgrading to buster..... but maybe someone else here has a better idea. The switch from oldstable to stable should be save though |
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| 22:11.14 | sney | azur12: delete all lines from sources.list, add one line 'deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free', save, apt update, apt full-upgrade, try installing your packages again. |
| 22:12.02 | sney | azur12: it looks like this system was probably installed as stretch (debian 9) and accidentally upgraded to buster (10) in the background because you had 'stable' in sources.list. you need to be careful about using the codename so you don't get upgraded without your knowledge. |
| 22:12.37 | sney | the only way forward is to finish the upgrade. |
| 22:14.09 | azur12 | hmm I see, ok thanks |
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| 22:34.28 | queip | 2021 |
| 22:34.39 | queip | humanity plans to one day conquer Mars and other planets |
| 22:34.55 | queip | still, Debian's version of Firefox can't be made to not quit by accidental pressing ctrl+Q |
| 22:34.57 | queip | why? |
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| 22:36.57 | sney | "debian's version of firefox" is intended to be functionally identical to mozilla's release. so, ask mozilla. (and if it's possible in the same version from mozilla, file a bug.) |
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| 22:37.57 | tomg | queip, there's a firefox extension for disabling ctrl+q |
| 22:38.01 | tomg | it seemed to work forme |
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| 23:49.03 | awal1 | in gnome i see a few stuff about privacy like geolocalization. so one can disable that. what about if running just a window manager? |
| 23:50.09 | awal1 | not sure what gnome does exactly |
| 23:52.57 | kline | what happens to packages maintained in freenode where the upstream has gone bust |
| 23:53.28 | kline | cowsay appears to be one such package - the original developer released it as a toy, its since ended up in debian, and seems to be maintained here with no upstream |
| 23:56.06 | Unit193 | Maybe try https://github.com/cowsay-org/cowsay |
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