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| 00:05.15 | petn-randall | queip: Does that happen that often? |
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| 00:07.29 | queip | petn-randall: each time you press it |
| 00:07.51 | queip | being right next to ctrl+W is not helping |
| 00:08.11 | queip | tomg: it's external code, not from repo, can contain exploits, right? |
| 00:10.20 | petn-randall | queip: It comes with source. |
| 00:10.54 | petn-randall | queip: I'm just wondering how often you accidentally press ^Q, this happens to me at most once a year. |
| 00:11.08 | queip | petn-randall: maybe few times a year. even once is too much |
| 00:11.49 | tomg | queip, the extension? i don't know |
| 00:12.16 | queip | I mean, that is probly how all extensions work |
| 00:12.25 | queip | with exception of like that adblock thing that is in repo |
| 00:12.31 | queip | perhaps fixCtrlQ should be moved into repo |
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| 00:18.16 | kline | Unit193, thanks for that |
| 00:18.31 | kline | is it possible to identify where debian stuff in salsa pulls its upstream? |
| 00:18.35 | kline | i dont know much about packaging |
| 00:19.18 | Unit193 | kline: It seems to have new releases, so may be worth filing a bug to point the maintainer to that. Debian also seems to be missing the last release of the old maintainer when he moved from cvs to git(hub). |
| 00:19.22 | kline | basically i want to patch cowsay, but ideally id do it upstream of debian rather than at the packager level |
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| 00:48.30 | craigevil | .v deluge-gtk |
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| 01:23.17 | somiaj | kline: I wonder if that github source could be packaged as a new package like cowsay-ng (since it is a fork and not the original) |
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| 01:24.08 | Unit193 | somiaj: https://github.com/tnalpgge/rank-amateur-cowsay appears to be it, but clearly states that it's discontinued and to feel free to continue on. |
| 01:24.41 | somiaj | yea, the debian package only has an archive as its upstream, https://web.archive.org/web/20120527202447/http://www.nog.net/~tony/warez/cowsay.shtml |
| 01:25.36 | kline | somiaj, havent other projects with clear successors and a shared codebase been seamlessly updated? |
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| 01:26.10 | kline | its not a competitive fork, its a continuation of a clearly and uncontroversially ended project |
| 01:28.32 | somiaj | kline: there it might be up to the matainer, if they want to honor the original and keep it in debian and so froth. I would at a minimum file a bug and mention this fork to provide a clear upstream that can be used. |
| 01:29.20 | somiaj | so providing a new package such as cowsay-ng would allow people to use the original or the updated version. Unsure which is best |
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| 01:29.47 | somiaj | #debian-mentors in irc.oftc.net would be able to provide more details on actual debian policy in a case like this, but it also might just be what the current matainer wants to do as well. |
| 01:29.50 | kline | "-ng" is a strict superset of "classic", including some debian specific patches |
| 01:30.01 | kline | but i think what matters is we agree its a point that should be raised |
| 01:30.14 | kline | is there a quick howto for debian bugs? i know there is specific tooling |
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| 01:31.17 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting -- something like that? |
| 01:33.31 | somiaj | but it does appear thte fork Unit193 found just continuned on the releases at the point the original author stopped, though it might be up to the matainer if they want to move to this new source (seems added some new features) or create a new package for this. Seems the author was calling it cowsay-apj |
| 01:36.35 | somiaj | also might want to point out the other source Unit193 found as a github location, this might be useful to at least update the package to point there for upstream vs what is on webarchive. |
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| 01:43.01 | kline | that page is exactly what i was hoping for, thanks |
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| 01:59.35 | Diagon | Is this the correct format for a line in sudoers to allow user btrbk to run various btrfs X commands? |
| 01:59.41 | Diagon | btrbk ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/btrfs subvolume show, /usr/bin/btrfs subvolume list, /usr/bin/btrfs subvolume snapshot, /usr/bin/btrfs subvolume delete, /usr/bin/btrfs filesystem usage, /usr/bin/btrfs send, /usr/bin/btrfs receive |
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| 02:04.01 | somiaj | Diagon: are you editing using visudo? |
| 02:04.25 | Diagon | sure, but ... I'm just trying to get the line right first. |
| 02:05.33 | Diagon | This man page is extremely long and *abstract*. There are very few (so far, no) examples. |
| 02:06.42 | somiaj | Diagon: just checking, that will at least check for syntax errors, but it looks I'm usnure if you need a space so user ALL = NOPASSWD: cmd_list |
| 02:07.03 | somiaj | but it looks correct to me, I was just noting the visudo will let you know of syntax issues |
| 02:07.59 | Diagon | Ah, I.C. Alright, thanks. Can I restrict to a specific directly like so: /usr/bin/btrfs subvolume show /.snapshots/*/ |
| 02:08.47 | Diagon | *directory |
| 02:09.53 | somiaj | yea, you can use normal shell style glob wildcards *, ?, [..], [!..] |
| 02:10.11 | Diagon | :thumbs-up: Thanks for your input, smiaj. |
| 02:10.17 | Diagon | *somiaj |
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| 05:34.45 | mtcdood | I have a website that uses PHP and MySQL as a backend. I've got the basic database structure down for posts (containing things like the post ID, title, author, and HTML content.) |
| 05:35.46 | mtcdood | I'm currently running individual PHP functions to obtain and display the post fields, like the following snippet: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4ec0011d/ |
| 05:36.32 | mtcdood | I'm trying to brainstorm ways to reduce the number of database queries I'm running per page load. |
| 05:37.30 | mtcdood | I know I can cache the HTML but don't know if there are things I can do when the page is first generated too. Does anyone have any concept ideas I can explore? |
| 05:41.50 | mtcdood | Also if anyone has suggestions for a better place to discuss this I'm all ears. It doesn't really fit directly in any of the major channels that I could think of (#html, #javascript, #php, #mysql, etc). |
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| 06:31.03 | unixbsd | Hello How to open an InDesign Document using Debian? |
| 06:31.09 | RoyK | mtcdood: I guess #php would be the place to start. Btw, remember this one ;) https://xkcd.com/327/ |
| 06:31.46 | mtcdood | Yeah eventually I'll get there |
| 06:32.08 | mtcdood | So far everything "user-generated" is being manually created in the database, not through the web interface. |
| 06:32.20 | mtcdood | I'm in read-only mode atm. |
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| 06:37.45 | RoyK | mtcdood: have you logged in with nickserv? |
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| 06:38.22 | mtcdood | Yeah |
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| 07:13.22 | RoyK | mtcdood: it's ##php, btw |
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| 07:34.50 | xormor | is Bullseye now stable? |
| 07:35.17 | ratrace | not yet |
| 07:35.30 | xormor | I did a sudo apt upgrade and now the version in /etc/debian_version is 11.0, not 11.0/sid |
| 07:35.55 | ratrace | !debian-next |
| 07:35.56 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 07:41.49 | somiaj | xormor: it is very close to release, so everything is in place for the release including the version |
| 07:42.27 | xormor | somiaj: thank you. |
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| 09:20.46 | tecdroid | thi there. hi |
| 09:21.02 | tecdroid | hum.. if i only could do one thing at a time.. |
| 09:22.16 | tecdroid | can someone tell me how to patch cdc_acm using dkms? i want to apply this patch: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/a8b3b519618f30a87a304c4e120267ce6f8dc68a?branch=a8b3b519618f30a87a304c4e120267ce6f8dc68a&diff=unified |
| 09:22.52 | tecdroid | hoped for a new kernel patch release in debian for some weeks but it didn't come yet. |
| 09:24.05 | ratrace | that's a kernel source patch, nothing to do with dkms. to apply this you can either alter the main kernel package or ... which I'd do, use the upstream tarball, patch the source, and run the deb-binpkg target to build the kernel, then install the .deb you get |
| 09:26.39 | tecdroid | okay... i'll try |
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| 09:27.11 | ratrace | bindeb-pkg btw, I always confuzzle those targets, stupid names |
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| 09:30.51 | shtrb | .gm |
| 09:31.31 | shtrb | !.gm |
| 09:31.31 | dpkg | i heard .gm is good morning |
| 09:31.39 | shtrb | at least that :) |
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| 09:34.26 | ratrace | good afterevening. |
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| 09:38.09 | echoSMILE | good beforeafternoon |
| 09:38.10 | tecdroid | okay, applying the patch worked so far. building now using oldconfig.. is there any chance to test the kernel? |
| 09:38.27 | tecdroid | i mean before installing it XD |
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| 09:41.20 | ratrace | tecdroid: if you install the .deb, then the kernel behaves regularly, meaning there's a grub menu, meaning you can revert to previous kernel via grub menu of this fails. |
| 09:41.32 | ratrace | alternatively, whip up a VM and test the kernel there. |
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| 09:47.04 | tecdroid | grub menu seems enough.. i really have to start getting more into system internals.. |
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| 09:47.18 | tecdroid | btw. thanks for helping |
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| 10:17.22 | shtrb | supp ratrace ? |
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| 10:23.21 | ratrace | whazzaaaap! |
| 10:23.53 | shtrb|work | That was apropriate as I just got a hardware lock in :D |
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| 10:25.23 | ratrace | oh! hope you don't allow your hardware to drink beer! :) |
| 10:26.11 | shtrb|work | It get's it root beverage ;-) |
| 10:34.13 | shtrb|work | Is there a simple way to close all critical notification popup s I got on my screen ? I just got ~200 different messages and I'm sick of manually clicking on the X buttons ? |
| 10:34.26 | shtrb|work | *which had been sent by notify-send |
| 10:34.37 | ratrace | is taht gnome? |
| 10:34.42 | shtrb|work | no plasma (kde) |
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| 10:35.10 | ratrace | quick google: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/8cpuxx/clear_all_notifications/ |
| 10:35.21 | shtrb|work | I remember it was enough to click on the "notifications" to hide all , but it don't do that |
| 10:35.22 | ratrace | also.... why you have 200 active notifications! o.O |
| 10:35.53 | shtrb|work | have a notify-send script that notify me on a compile error :D |
| 10:36.23 | shtrb|work | The suggestion in that thread is litterally what I did before asking (clicking on the notification) |
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| 10:37.41 | ratrace | shtrb|work: right click + Delete notifications? |
| 10:38.31 | shtrb|work | The closest that exist is clear history , but even that does not do the job |
| 10:38.48 | ratrace | maybe that's not the same widget then? |
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| 10:56.04 | tecdroid | yay, always forget -j when i run make.. now i got 6 parallel jobs.. means, 2 cpus for other stuff o.O |
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| 11:01.48 | ratrace | tecdroid: you can export the MAKEOPTS env var in your shell rc |
| 11:02.39 | ratrace | oh wait, MAKEOPTS is gentoo specific lol.... so then alias it |
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| 11:09.54 | tecdroid | think there is some environment variable for debian, too.. but i don't really use make often.. |
| 11:10.58 | tecdroid | hum.. where can i find the options used for debian standard kernel? |
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| 11:12.42 | tecdroid | /usr/src/linux-config-[version] ? |
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| 11:16.16 | ratrace | tecdroid: /boot/config-.... |
| 11:16.32 | ratrace | use the one belonging to the repo packaged kernel |
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| 11:24.19 | tecdroid | learned much today.. |
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| 12:39.44 | tecdroid | well, this seemed to work pretty good. |
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| 13:57.16 | deadrom | hi |
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| 14:02.29 | deadrom | NAS system that worked fine for 2 days moving over data from disk a to b and otherwise has been stable crashes after an hour or so when under heavy network load. main suspect is the onboard Realtek "8111/8168/8411". upgraded to backports 5.10, not better. known issues with these NICs recently? |
| 14:02.58 | deadrom | right now popped in an intel Desktop CT pcie card to see if the issue stops |
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| 14:16.18 | filePeter | I have a program writing filepaths to stdout and all non Ascii-encodings seem fine one stdout. But if I pipe them to a file, they end up ugly gibberish. Does anyone have an idea to triage this problme? |
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| 15:01.16 | EdePopede | filePeter: how do you look into the file? also, you could filter out one of the problematic lines or only produce that one and instead of writing it to the file tee it to hexdump and into a file. and then hexdump the file with that single line and compare. |
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| 15:14.15 | Klaus_Dieter | well... I learned that the ffmpeg in testing does not leak memory when capturing with x11grab and -f pulse. ffmpeg is a fairly involved package with many dependencies. I would not want to turn my desktop into a frankendebian. chroot does not work well due the requirement to connect to pulse and x11 - what else could I try in the situation where I want to use a more recent ffmpeg on my otherwise |
| 15:14.20 | Klaus_Dieter | debian stable? Wait for 2 more months for the next stable release? |
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| 15:21.17 | gateway2000 | Klaus_Dieter you may be able to backport it yourself using something like this: https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 15:21.36 | GNU\colossus | Klaus_Dieter, that is an option. another option is to use an ffmpeg binary release that you hand-feed in /opt/ |
| 15:22.51 | GNU\colossus | ffmpeg.org itself links to https://johnvansickle.com/ffmpeg/ - I have used builds from there on Debian without trouble. |
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| 15:36.16 | filePeter | EdePopede: That was the hint. _Vim_ was wrong guessing the encoding! The file itself was fine. |
| 15:36.27 | filePeter | Thanks! |
| 15:37.25 | EdePopede | filePeter: the other option would have been a translating mount option on the fs |
| 15:37.39 | EdePopede | !next |
| 15:37.39 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 15:37.48 | EdePopede | always wanted to do this |
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| 15:38.27 | phogg | viewing files with vim was your first mistake (use less for that) |
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| 15:39.44 | filePeter | phogg: But I love it so much!!! ;-) |
| 15:40.03 | mentor | less doesn't have syntax colouring |
| 15:40.22 | phogg | Never draw a sword unless you intend to attack someone, never open a file in an editor unless you intend to write out a changed version. |
| 15:40.34 | phogg | mentor: it can have syntax highlighting |
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| 15:41.08 | mentor | Also, vim has a readonly mode |
| 15:41.21 | phogg | not the point |
| 15:41.22 | Klaus_Dieter | lol phogg |
| 15:41.27 | Klaus_Dieter | I love the analogy |
| 15:41.48 | mentor | It is commonly acknowledged that vim must taste blood every time it is invoked. |
| 15:42.14 | filePeter | phogg, mentor: I was editing the file actually⦠|
| 15:42.23 | filePeter | though that was not mentioned. |
| 15:42.28 | phogg | filePeter: then I withdraw my comment |
| 15:43.08 | filePeter | Letâs not worry all too much. â I made a mistake and with some help triaged the problem. |
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| 15:43.24 | filePeter | ⦠which is nice. |
| 15:43.43 | Klaus_Dieter | GNU\colossus: so your suggestion would be to untar one of those static builds to /opt and use that? |
| 15:44.01 | phogg | pro tip, you can transition from viewing in less to editing with $EDITOR using a single keystroke |
| 15:44.37 | mentor | Words of praise for fishfood |
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| 15:49.46 | filePeter | phogg: That sounds crazy! |
| 15:50.02 | phogg | filePeter: try it some time: hit v |
| 15:50.14 | GNU\colossus | Klaus_Dieter, I did that in the past when I needed fresher standalone ffmpeg on Debian |
| 15:50.15 | phogg | I assume it is meant to launch vi, but it respects $EDITOR |
| 15:51.44 | xand | phogg: mind blown |
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| 15:54.49 | Klaus_Dieter | I have been using linux and BSD for more than 20 years and had never until now bothered to look at the manpage of less. Thank you phogg |
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| 15:56.17 | phogg | Klaus_Dieter: there are a lot of other goodies in less that are little known |
| 15:56.54 | phogg | Klaus_Dieter: presuming less is your man pager, try this: LESS=+/^INVOCATION man bash |
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| 15:57.39 | phogg | which is in the man page but not documented in a way as to make it obvious that you can do that |
| 15:58.17 | Klaus_Dieter | GNU\colossus: unfortunately those builds do not support pulseaudio. But creating a static build on my debiantesting might be helpful it is a good idea |
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| 15:59.48 | phogg | this is of course just an application of the fact that you can pass a command line arg starting with + and then any less command you would run interactively, so you can say less +v any-file as a long way of starting your editor on the file (but when you quit you go back to less) |
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| 16:02.24 | filePeter | phogg: very nice! |
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| 16:05.08 | AquaL1te | i'm trying to build this: https://github.com/LINBIT/drbd/tree/drbd-9.1.2 for that i use this: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html so in other words, i install the build deps and then run `dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc`. this indeed builds a deb file. but i cannot install it because it has build errors :/ here is the error: https://paste.centos.org/view/9e98c7b9 am i missing a step |
| 16:05.14 | AquaL1te | here? |
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| 16:34.27 | uso | when I upgrade from stretch to buster should I accept the downgrade of debian-security-support or better keep the version from stretch? |
| 16:35.18 | uso | s/stretch/stretch-security/ |
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| 16:49.02 | sney | uso: what downgrade? are you looking at a specific package? |
| 16:49.22 | uso | sney: yes, package debian-security-support |
| 16:50.29 | sney | interesting, I see what you mean |
| 16:50.32 | uso | the version in stretch-security is higher than the version in buster, there's already a bug report about it #988321 |
| 16:50.34 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/988321 in debian-security-support (open): «debian-security-support: bump version to 1:10+<date>»; severity: normal; opened: 2021-05-10; last modified: 2021-05-10. |
| 16:51.22 | sney | well, the changelog for the stretch 2021.01.23 package explicitly says " * Release for stretch only containing changes relevant to stretch." |
| 16:51.38 | sney | so I would err towards using the buster version on buster, even though it's a few months older. |
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| 16:52.47 | uso | I've purged tha package for now to avoid the downgrade, but my preference also was to switch to the buster version |
| 16:53.12 | uso | thanks for confirmation |
| 16:53.21 | sney | np |
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