| 00:02.05 | Caesar_NayKid | Hey guys and gals. Thank you SO MUCH |
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| 00:02.16 | ryouma | Caesar_NayKid: lsblk is configurable |
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| 00:08.46 | Caesar_NayKid | One of the i re-enabled the last entry in fstab and rebooted and it worked |
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| 00:11.15 | Caesar_NayKid | The mount point is back now. The folder is empty though it appears now |
| 00:11.26 | Caesar_NayKid | I see a lost+found folder |
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| 00:11.42 | Caesar_NayKid | It fine if i lost the data, just curious what happened to it. |
| 00:12.46 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: maybe the data is on the other, NTFS, mountpoint |
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| 00:12.57 | Caesar_NayKid | Mmm |
| 00:14.06 | Caesar_NayKid | The ntfs should be a pass through hard drive for a win10 vm |
| 00:14.13 | Caesar_NayKid | Which is working |
| 00:14.31 | Caesar_NayKid | Not it primary drive but a secondary drive |
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| 00:15.24 | Caesar_NayKid | The one i remounted is ext4 |
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| 00:16.35 | Caesar_NayKid | The nvme0 is my debian drive |
| 00:17.06 | Caesar_NayKid | With separate partitions for /var /tmp /home |
| 00:17.12 | factor | I found the error that I get with Steam ./MarsSteam: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.29' not found. Can make a sym link from debian glibc 2.28 |
| 00:17.33 | factor | being this close I would imagine I can fake a lib version |
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| 00:18.36 | ratrace | factor: why do you even have to fiddle. apt install steam suffices, works |
| 00:19.12 | factor | Survivinig mars is not working |
| 00:19.23 | factor | I had to hack Batteltech as well |
| 00:20.37 | Caesar_NayKid | Is it normal to lose the data on a mount point after you comment it out from fstab? |
| 00:20.43 | ratrace | it's a linux native game. it definitely should work. what's the error or symptom you get? |
| 00:20.48 | ratrace | factor: ^ |
| 00:21.01 | Caesar_NayKid | I have a cron job that will run in 10 mins and try to sync a folder to that location |
| 00:21.07 | factor | The error from Steam client |
| 00:21.14 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: no . but I'm suspecting you're looking at the empty dir and not the mounted disk? |
| 00:21.26 | Caesar_NayKid | Hmm |
| 00:21.27 | ratrace | factor: yes |
| 00:21.41 | factor | ubuntu uses globc 2.29 and debian 2.28 |
| 00:21.50 | Caesar_NayKid | Sounds like it. How do i make those the same thing again? |
| 00:22.00 | ratrace | factor: so? steam coems with its own runtime, doesn't use debian's glibc |
| 00:22.19 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: I suppose you need to mount it |
| 00:22.31 | factor | Appearntley its using debians |
| 00:22.37 | Caesar_NayKid | So like mount -a? |
| 00:22.57 | ratrace | factor: no, steam comes with its own runtime .. assuming you apt install'ed it from regular debian repos |
| 00:23.08 | ratrace | it _is_ possible to modify steam to use local system runtime |
| 00:23.12 | factor | ahh ok |
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| 00:23.49 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: you can do that; that will just try to mount _all_ entries defined in fstab |
| 00:23.57 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: I'd suggest you ratehr tried to mount just that one |
| 00:24.18 | Caesar_NayKid | Can you walk me through that? |
| 00:24.28 | Caesar_NayKid | In terminal? |
| 00:24.29 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: BackupINT? just run `mount /home/paul/BackupINT` or what was teh mountpoint. with a fstab entry in place, you don't need full mount invocation |
| 00:24.54 | factor | Now steam does ot work at all |
| 00:25.01 | ratrace | factor: what did you do to it? |
| 00:25.19 | factor | sudo apt-get install steam |
| 00:25.29 | ratrace | factor: and what did you have _before_ that? |
| 00:25.36 | factor | Downloaded steam |
| 00:25.47 | ratrace | if you already had steam installed somehow, chances are your ~/.steam is polluted |
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| 00:26.14 | Caesar_NayKid | Says /dev/sda1 already mounted on /home/paul/BackupINT |
| 00:26.25 | ratrace | debian has a bit different setup, with "debian-installation" subdirectory under ~/.steam/ |
| 00:26.53 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: then if it's mounted, and `ls -la` /home/paul/BackupINT shows empty dir, that's it then |
| 00:26.57 | factor | okay moved it and its loading the lcient now |
| 00:27.23 | Caesar_NayKid | That's what? The data's gone you mean? |
| 00:27.47 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: yes. |
| 00:27.52 | Caesar_NayKid | Gotcha |
| 00:28.01 | Caesar_NayKid | Wow. |
| 00:28.22 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: or, to be precise, if /dev/sda1 is mounted on /home/paul/BackupINT, and you ls -l that directory, and it shows nothing, it shows the contents of /dev/sda1 filesystem |
| 00:28.46 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: now, try to umount /home/paul/BackupINT ... and run ls -l /home/paul/BackupINT |
| 00:29.24 | ratrace | it's possible, and happens sometimes, that a mount was borked, and user copies files thinking it's copying to the mounted drive |
| 00:29.27 | Caesar_NayKid | Well,.. crontab runs in like 30 seconds |
| 00:29.42 | ratrace | while in reality it's copying just into the directory that's supposed to be the mount-POINT, but on the local fs |
| 00:30.13 | Caesar_NayKid | The user meaning my linux username? |
| 00:30.24 | ratrace | I mean a user in general |
| 00:30.31 | Caesar_NayKid | Because only rsync copies files there |
| 00:30.34 | ratrace | a person |
| 00:30.40 | ratrace | or, okay, an automated script |
| 00:31.09 | ratrace | again, point is, broken mount and the copy is into the directory on the local system instead of a drive attached to that particular directory, aka "mounted" |
| 00:31.17 | Caesar_NayKid | So, what likely happened then, was two UUIDs attempted to mount in the same location and broke the mount. |
| 00:31.32 | Caesar_NayKid | After that, it was broked and likely would never work again |
| 00:31.39 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: right, so check if the files are actualyl there, UNDER the mount points |
| 00:32.04 | Caesar_NayKid | Not sure how to do that. Linux file system is still super new to me. |
| 00:32.42 | Caesar_NayKid | Like cd /dev/ |
| 00:33.19 | Caesar_NayKid | Sda1 is not a directory |
| 00:33.23 | Caesar_NayKid | It says |
| 00:34.04 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: yes, it's not. |
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| 00:34.22 | ratrace | I meant check /home/paul/BackupINT, when nothing is mounted on it |
| 00:34.31 | Caesar_NayKid | So unmount |
| 00:35.12 | Caesar_NayKid | Unmount /home/paul/BackupINT? Or unmount/dev/sda1 |
| 00:35.35 | ratrace | same thing, if sda1 is mounted there |
| 00:36.17 | Caesar_NayKid | Unmount command not found |
| 00:36.24 | dvs | umount |
| 00:36.58 | Caesar_NayKid | Ok yes |
| 00:37.05 | Caesar_NayKid | There's a bunch of files in there |
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| 00:37.43 | ratrace | there you go |
| 00:37.53 | Caesar_NayKid | Where are those saved? |
| 00:38.28 | ratrace | on whatever filesystem that directory is part of, when nothing is mounted on it. rootfs I suppose unless you have /home/ on another partition |
| 00:38.50 | ratrace | oh wait, you do, btrfs right? |
| 00:39.00 | Caesar_NayKid | Yes just for that |
| 00:39.13 | mutante | I think this is part of the reason why there is /mnt for mount points |
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| 00:39.38 | Caesar_NayKid | Yeah i can kind of see what you mean with /mnt |
| 00:40.45 | Caesar_NayKid | Ok but i need to make sure those files are not stored on my primary drive |
| 00:41.01 | Caesar_NayKid | They're dupes of a smb shared folder |
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| 00:42.00 | Caesar_NayKid | So, you're saying the files got moved off of this drive and moved into my other drive? Or they never were on the seccondary drive in the first place? |
| 00:42.13 | Caesar_NayKid | Linux drives and partitions confuse me. |
| 00:42.31 | Caesar_NayKid | Too many years being a DOS/WinN00b |
| 00:42.59 | Caesar_NayKid | My disk will fill up fast this way if it's wrong |
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| 00:44.24 | Caesar_NayKid | GParted still shows /dev/sda1 Mount Point as /home/paul/BackupINT |
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| 00:44.34 | Caesar_NayKid | Even though i did umount in terminal |
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| 00:47.32 | Caesar_NayKid | Looking in the debian manual but I've been at this building for 13 hours. |
| 00:48.09 | Caesar_NayKid | How do i know which disk those files are on? |
| 00:49.09 | Caesar_NayKid | So the "filesystem" is the "partitions"? |
| 00:49.25 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: you look at the output of `mount` and see where in the path to your files is a mount point |
| 00:49.46 | ratrace | I'm assuming /home/ with btrfs, so taht's the drive the files are on |
| 00:50.17 | Caesar_NayKid | How can i properly set up this secondary drive |
| 00:50.29 | ratrace | The UID=dad622... drive if your screenshot is authoritative |
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| 00:51.06 | factor | ratrace, now Battletach is not working. |
| 00:51.19 | factor | I think I have to hack it again. |
| 00:51.31 | factor | will try Surviving Mars again |
| 00:52.06 | ratrace | BATTLETECH is also a linux native game. It _should_ be workin |
| 00:52.25 | Caesar_NayKid | Uuid/65fce9e6 is the one i want them to go on. |
| 00:52.32 | Caesar_NayKid | Bottom entry |
| 00:52.49 | factor | ratrace, I had to hack one of the libs last time. |
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| 00:52.51 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: then mount that to, say, /mnt/backups (and stay within /mnt/ dir for future mounts, it's cleanest) |
| 00:52.53 | factor | redownloading everything |
| 00:53.14 | factor | I only buy native games. |
| 00:53.39 | ratrace | factor: chances are you don't have to do that. The reason Steam is __still__ using ubuntu 12.04 runtime is that it's so damn API stable by now, all the linux native games are almost guaranteed to run |
| 00:53.41 | Caesar_NayKid | So sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/backups |
| 00:53.57 | ratrace | factor: however ... it's possible your gpu drivers aren't fully compliant |
| 00:54.06 | factor | ahh okay |
| 00:54.08 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: yes, assuming you want sda1 mounted |
| 00:54.18 | somiaj | factor: what gpu/drivers are you using? |
| 00:54.28 | Caesar_NayKid | Oh wow. It doesn't really need to be mounted? |
| 00:54.44 | ratrace | factor: if that's nvidia, make sure you're using the latest driver from buster-backports. the buster native 418 is having issues |
| 00:54.48 | Caesar_NayKid | What's the point of mounting if it doesn't need to be? |
| 00:54.59 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: what do you mean? |
| 00:55.09 | Caesar_NayKid | Oh you said if i wanted it mounted |
| 00:55.17 | factor | I download and compile my own. to lng term kernel currentl 5.10.32 |
| 00:55.25 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: yes, I don't know WHICH drive you want moutned. if that's sda1, then that's teh command you run, yes. |
| 00:55.37 | ratrace | it's better to use UUIDs so you're sure. EVEN BETTER.... use LABELS |
| 00:55.43 | somiaj | factor: you manually install nvidia drivers from nvidia.com? |
| 00:55.53 | factor | somiaj, yes |
| 00:55.59 | ratrace | ugh |
| 00:56.23 | Caesar_NayKid | I may have to stop for the night. |
| 00:56.24 | factor | Yes Surviving mars is not working either. |
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| 00:57.01 | ratrace | factor: tehre's stuff in ~/.steam/debian-installation/logs/ see if there's hints as to what's not working |
| 00:57.04 | Caesar_NayKid | The drives/mounting/directory concept on this seems amazingly flexible but it mindblowing for me at this point still. |
| 00:57.06 | somiaj | factor: that could be the issue, debian will conflict with those. Why not use the 5.10 kernel from backports and the nvidia drivers from backports? |
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| 00:57.48 | Caesar_NayKid | I guess i thought i was mounting folders to drives but maybe im mounting drives to directories |
| 00:57.49 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: you can also do that on windows these days, use arbitrary directories as moount points, instead of drive letters |
| 00:57.51 | somiaj | factor: debian can't really support that setup, since dpkg packages will conflict with what nvidia.com's self installer does, and due to that you could have strange conflicts (if this is actually your issue is hard to say) |
| 00:58.25 | factor | somiaj, oh okay will see will remove this version for now and put my version back in |
| 00:58.27 | ratrace | Caesar_NayKid: on unix/linux you _always_ mount block devices (Drives, partitions, mapped devices, ....) to _directories_ |
| 00:59.18 | ratrace | factor: the conflict is possibly in xorg's opengl modules. nvidia installs its own liblg files, but the packages manage all that transparently |
| 00:59.35 | ratrace | I'd recommend purging your manual driver, and apt install it from backports. it's relatively latest |
| 00:59.36 | somiaj | factor: debian does include a nvidia-installer-cleanup package to help clean up what the nvidia package does. My experience is you get intersting issues if you try to use nvidia.com's installer and not debian's package with nvidia's non-free binaries. And this is due to debian's package do a bunch of other thigns to make the driver play nicely with other gl systems (such as masa) |
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| 00:59.43 | ratrace | 460.73 at the moment |
| 00:59.52 | Caesar_NayKid | Ok. Thank you for your time. I will read some about that. Help that guy with his game stuff. I may return later this week after i do a little research on the drives/filesystem stuff. Certainly there is endless articles and videos about that. You guys saved me to get booted again. i really thank you |
| 01:00.25 | dvs | Caesar_NayKid: not necessarily filesystems as it is mounting. |
| 01:00.50 | Caesar_NayKid | Well. All of the above i need to do a refresher course. |
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| 01:18.59 | uxfi | hi there I have a issue with debian where when I try to upgrade my system I see "dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
| 01:18.59 | uxfi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.11 | uxfi | Why is this happening and how do I fix ti |
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| 01:20.03 | somiaj | ,v openjdk-11-jre-headless |
| 01:20.04 | judd | Package: openjdk-11-jre-headless on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 11.0.6+10-1~bpo9+1; buster: 11.0.9.1+1-1~deb10u2; bullseye: 11.0.11+4-1; buster-proposed-updates: 11.0.11+9-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 11.0.11+9-1~deb10u1; sid: 11.0.11+9-1 |
| 01:20.17 | somiaj | uxfi: are you running buster? |
| 01:20.24 | uxfi | yeah |
| 01:20.26 | uxfi | the latest debian |
| 01:20.26 | dD__ | I am trying to set an environment variable on a server I have. The server has a log in banner and I want to remove it. It's bitnami so I can't just remover it the normal way, but I need to set the environment variable before the log in prompt. How could I do this? |
| 01:20.28 | somiaj | uxfi: and this is just a stndard secuirty/regular upgrade. |
| 01:20.29 | uxfi | it never happened before |
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| 01:20.42 | uxfi | ah |
| 01:20.46 | uxfi | so do I need to do a dist upgrade or? |
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| 01:21.50 | uxfi | somiaj; hwo do I fix it? |
| 01:22.17 | somiaj | uxfi: unsure here, I'm not quite sure where the problem would be. Wonder if something in /var/lib/dpkg/info/openjdk-11-jre-headless\:amd64* is corrupt causing this usse. |
| 01:22.18 | mutante | uxfi: I wonder what you get when you run 'apt-cache policy openjdk-11-jre-headless' |
| 01:23.12 | somiaj | uxfi: arg my system is amd64, but hopefully you see those files, maybe you can just add the final new line to any of those files if one is missing |
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| 01:23.56 | uxfi | N: Unable to locate package openjdk-11-jre-headle |
| 01:24.15 | uxfi | ah mine is a arm system |
| 01:24.21 | uxfi | well the one im testing debian on |
| 01:25.33 | mutante | uxfi: do you know how it got installed in the first place? |
| 01:25.35 | somiaj | uxfi: you are missing two ss, it should be openjdk-11-jre-headless |
| 01:26.12 | uxfi | I assume with a update |
| 01:26.25 | uxfi | so |
| 01:26.28 | uxfi | should I pruge openjdk-11-jre-headles? |
| 01:27.11 | somiaj | uxfi: in buster openjdk-11-jre-headless is in the armhf repository, so the fact it isn't seeing it says something |
| 01:27.30 | mutante | an update should not pull new packages |
| 01:27.39 | somiaj | uxfi: according to your error you didn't state the name of the package correctly, if it can't see the package, maybe just share the output of 'apt cache policy' with us. But it should see that package. |
| 01:27.54 | mutante | was it installed with a manual dpkg -i or something? |
| 01:28.41 | uxfi | according to your error you didn't state the name of the package correctly, if it can't see the package, maybe just share the output of 'apt cache policy' with us. But it should see that package. |
| 01:28.44 | uxfi | the output |
| 01:28.55 | uxfi | oops |
| 01:29.10 | uxfi | "openjdk-11-jdk-headless: |
| 01:29.10 | uxfi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.10 | uxfi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.10 | uxfi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.10 | uxfi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:29.30 | uxfi | sorry |
| 01:29.33 | dvs | !flood |
| 01:29.33 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, ask me about <paste> |
| 01:29.43 | uxfi | Sorry |
| 01:29.47 | uxfi | I will use a paste site next time |
| 01:29.49 | uxfi | apologies |
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| 01:30.35 | uxfi | https://pastebin.com/CRfm8Dr7 |
| 01:30.37 | uxfi | here is the output |
| 01:30.49 | uxfi | Soliton; |
| 01:30.51 | somiaj | uxfi: You could try to purge that package then reinstall it, but if dpkg is breaking and not allowing that, you may have to go look at the files I pasted. |
| 01:31.09 | somiaj | !raspbian |
| 01:31.09 | dpkg | Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 01:31.10 | uxfi | My apache is also otu of whack |
| 01:31.25 | somiaj | uxfi: also we don't really support raspbian here, it isn't debian, and uses their own packages/repos. |
| 01:32.00 | uxfi | its pruging |
| 01:32.37 | uxfi | somiaj; pkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
| 01:32.37 | uxfi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.37 | somiaj | I hope you are able to get your system back into a usable state, but since you are choosing raspbian to run, you should use their support community. |
| 01:32.40 | uxfi | weird |
| 01:32.59 | uxfi | I know |
| 01:33.06 | uxfi | I didnt do anything wrong |
| 01:33.12 | somiaj | yea, sounds like something in your dpkg database is missing a new line, might go manually look at the files I pointed you at. |
| 01:33.16 | uxfi | Im jsut askign from a debian... and in genenral why woudl this happen? |
| 01:33.20 | somiaj | uxfi: it could be a file got corrupted. |
| 01:33.27 | uxfi | well |
| 01:33.30 | uxfi | also anotehr thing |
| 01:33.37 | uxfi | my apache 2 is screwed up and web server wont spin up |
| 01:33.49 | uxfi | I tried cehckign the access.log in/var/logs... Nothing in the lgo at alll |
| 01:33.53 | somiaj | It is hard to say, but you aren't running debian, maybe there was a bug in one of raspbian's packages, maybe some corruption on the disk, but here we don't like to guess what debian derivaives have done. |
| 01:34.42 | uxfi | ah |
| 01:34.46 | uxfi | ok |
| 01:34.51 | uxfi | fair enuff |
| 01:34.55 | mutante | uxfi: #raspbian is quite an active channel though |
| 01:35.39 | uxfi | ill try on my own |
| 01:35.39 | uxfi | sec |
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| 01:53.36 | factor | ratrace, I pinned and installed libc from testing and everything is working fine. As my stuff is compiled from my own I guess that is where I needed to be. |
| 01:53.42 | factor | thanks for the help |
| 01:56.38 | somiaj | factor: are you running debian stable? |
| 01:57.03 | factor | mostly still but yes |
| 01:57.04 | somiaj | mixing stable/testing is strongly not supported and is most likely not the best solution to a problem. |
| 01:57.09 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 01:57.09 | dpkg | it has been said that dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 01:57.20 | factor | :) |
| 01:57.24 | somiaj | factor: don't do that, at this point you might as well just finish the upgrade to bullseye and run that instead (it is going to be released soon) |
| 01:57.38 | somiaj | !buster->bullseye |
| 01:57.56 | factor | somiaj, I may , seems where I need to be, but stable has some good points |
| 01:58.19 | somiaj | yea, bullseye is really close to being ready for the next stable release (could be a month or so until release). |
| 01:58.30 | factor | Oh nice |
| 01:58.37 | somiaj | Right now its biggest draw back is slow security support and a few rc-bugs, but not many |
| 01:59.02 | somiaj | I think it is fine for a desktop. But running bullseye is way better than what you have done. Don't mix debian releases, this is just asking for trouble. |
| 02:00.26 | factor | Compiling my own kenrel and nvidia driver is the same warning. |
| 02:01.00 | somiaj | I think it is worth learning how to deal with things 'the debian way', overall what you are doing is not supported by #debian. |
| 02:01.15 | somiaj | I am using the debian nvidia drivers just fine and haven't had any issues with steam for multiple releases |
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| 02:02.01 | factor | Im also using compiled thrustmaster driver. Which works , but have to hack some stuff. |
| 02:02.19 | dvs | shudders at the number of ops |
| 02:02.23 | factor | Driver was just official 5.13 |
| 02:03.19 | somiaj | just sounds like #debian cannot reasonablly support your setup since you are mix/matching things, my suggestion is try to stick to debian packages, things actually are well tested and work nice together. |
| 02:06.40 | uxfi | still having issues |
| 02:06.55 | somiaj | uxfi: Head over to #raspbian |
| 02:07.06 | uxfi | I did |
| 02:07.07 | uxfi | waiting |
| 02:07.27 | somiaj | You might just need to be paitent, but we cannot resonablly support debian derivatives here. |
| 02:07.43 | uxfi | somiaj; can i jsut dod a system image restore? |
| 02:08.06 | somiaj | That is up to you, I was going to suggest, that maybe backup/restore might be useful if you have corruptedy our dpkg database to the point dpkg is broken. |
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| 02:08.30 | uxfi | yeah |
| 02:08.34 | uxfi | seems to be |
| 02:09.39 | somiaj | Anyways, best of luck, but you should try to stick to raspbian support if that is the distro of choice. Note on some pi's you can run pure debian, https://raspi.debian.net/ |
| 02:10.27 | uxfi | sure |
| 02:10.27 | uxfi | thanks |
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| 02:11.01 | somiaj | One advantage of the pi is you can just get another sd card, and start fo scratch adn have all your data backuped on the previous one |
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| 03:04.43 | outoftime | https://packages.debian.org/ is down |
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| 03:08.54 | somiaj | outoftime: is working for me here |
| 03:09.25 | outoftime | somiaj: it was down for several minutes |
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| 03:30.07 | outoftime | I'm writing sh script that needs to ask for sudo password but I have no /etc/sudo.conf file. May I mess up with some configs if I'll just make it exactly as example in `man sudo.conf` shows? |
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| 03:33.35 | outoftime | Example from manpage enables some plugin, that is why I'm a bit confused |
| 03:36.22 | somiaj | what are you wanting to put in the sudo.conf file? |
| 03:36.57 | outoftime | askpass path |
| 03:37.53 | somiaj | Yes, if a configuration file is not present, you can create it. Would setting up NOPASS in sudoers for the command needed to run also be an option? |
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| 03:44.18 | outoftime | I have bunch of regular command in a script and want to prompt a password for mounting partition, that is all. sudo have `--askpass` option but it needs to know what program should handle it. I wanted to add path to /etc/sudo.conf but there is not such file at all and I'm wondering is it safe to make it empty with only one line specifying path for askpass program. |
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| 03:49.35 | outoftime | somiaj: I suppose NOPASS will give you rights to execute potentially dangerous command without asking for permisions. That is not exactly what I want to achieve. |
| 03:49.39 | somiaj | outoftime: is all you need sudo for is mounting a partition? Is it the same partition? |
| 03:49.54 | somiaj | i.e. is what they are mounting have a UUID on the filesystem? |
| 03:50.40 | somiaj | outoftime: you can be very spicific in the sudoers file and only allow exact commands to be run via sudo without a password. |
| 03:50.47 | outoftime | somiaj: I know about fstab |
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| 03:51.14 | somiaj | To me if they are mounting a file system that already has permissions on it, such as ext4, adding this to /etc/fstab maybe a nice solution |
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| 03:52.11 | outoftime | somiaj: fstab mounts it during init, what I want to do is to mount it on request. |
| 03:55.18 | somiaj | add the option 'noauto' |
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| 03:55.25 | somiaj | well 'noauto,user' |
| 03:55.35 | somiaj | noauto makes it not mount during boot, and user allows user to mount |
| 03:55.56 | somiaj | anyways, I'm not exactly sure the goal of your script, just suggesting things that maybe more apporpriate than asking for a password. |
| 04:00.18 | outoftime | somiaj: no, this is actually a good suggestion. I have tried "default,auto" but it ends with readonly partition. The only way I managed to mount it is via `mount` command. That is why I do stick with writing a script. If something will faild I'll know exactly what and will be able to fix it. |
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| 04:00.36 | somiaj | outoftime: what options do you have to send to the mount command? |
| 04:00.50 | somiaj | and I blive it is defaults (not default) |
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| 04:01.17 | somiaj | yea it is defaults (not default) |
| 04:01.23 | outoftime | UUID=e5e3ced6-9448-4617-984c-13e4fe584eff /mnt/Games ext4 defaults,user 0 2 |
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| 04:02.06 | somiaj | that should not be mounting things read-only |
| 04:04.15 | somiaj | and add noauto to keep it from mounting at boot time, so defaults,user,noauto |
| 04:07.51 | outoftime | somiaj: how to correctly reload fstab ? Maybe I have messed up with that last time. |
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| 04:09.53 | somiaj | you don't need to do anything, just umount /mnt/Games, the mount /mnt/Games to see it work |
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| 04:13.43 | outoftime | somiaj: so when it is in the fstab, you do not need sudo rights, right? |
| 04:14.03 | somiaj | if you have the 'user' option |
| 04:14.13 | somiaj | you can test this as your user if you want |
| 04:14.33 | outoftime | somiaj: I did and it worked. Thank you. |
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| 05:07.55 | outoftime | somiaj: actually there is a difference. If I'm addding line to fstab and mounting `mount /mnt/Games`, executable sh says "line 38: ... Permission denied" but when I do `sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/Games` it works fine |
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| 05:28.37 | TheBigK | outoftime: in ur fstab is user set as options? if not thats probably the problem |
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| 05:52.10 | outoftime | TheBigK: didn't get what you mean by "user set as options" |
| 05:53.03 | outoftime | TheBigK: mounting line in fstab has "defaults,user" |
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| 05:54.39 | TheBigK | outoftime: then u should be fine now? still permission denied? |
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| 05:58.32 | outoftime | TheBigK: yes, but I'm fine with using wrapper script to mount partition. |
| 06:00.17 | TheBigK | oki... then whatever :) |
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| 06:06.04 | outoftime | I'd like to find out why it is not working with just fstab, but I'd rather invest my time in studing shell scripting than figuring out what went wrong with fstab. Which sounds strange when I "spell" it. |
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| 06:29.22 | terr | This is going to appear to be a Krazy question. And I am not necessarily planning to even try this. 1) can Linux boot and run in an NTFS partition (I need to be able to run damn windows and even windows NT. 2) when I set up multiboot before I recall using dd to lift the mbr. But its been years. I should be able to install more than one operating system in a single bootable partition and select which O/S simply by coping the correct MBR form a group st |
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| 06:30.24 | nkuttler | terr: why don't you run windows in a vm? |
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| 06:33.24 | diogenes_ | terr, you can't run Linux on NTFS it doesn't do the file permissions. |
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| 06:34.28 | somiaj | terr: with UEFI, it is really easy to put multiple OSes to boot in the same EFI partition. So dual boot is possible to setup (Though I still use grub to handel the dual booting) |
| 06:35.11 | somiaj | terr: it sounds like you didn't setup multiboot correctly in the past, dual booting with windows is a common thing (Though I would also consier nkuttler suggestion, and run the os you use less often in a VM) |
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| 06:35.48 | diogenes_ | terr, https://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ |
| 06:36.21 | outoftime | somiaj: vm consumes significant CPU time |
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| 06:36.43 | somiaj | outoftime: not with virtualization in the cpu enabled. |
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| 06:37.42 | somiaj | Yes since you are basically running two oses at once, it will be more cpu intensive than just running one, but my windows VMs work just fine and don't take that much cpu ussage overall |
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| 06:45.04 | outoftime | terr: in the past I had several windows versions on ntfs partition and linux on separate ext. grub allowed to switch between windows\linux and windows' loader allowed to select which version you want. |
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| 06:46.00 | somiaj | biggest problem use to be install linux second because windows destroys the MBR, though with UEFI, this is far less of an issue, just make sure your EFI partition is big enough. |
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| 06:47.55 | outoftime | somiaj: I usually do repair by chroot (ubuntu has boot repair with live iso, do not know why debian doesn't) |
| 06:48.18 | somiaj | debian's installer has a rescue mode, and one of the options is to reinstall grub |
| 06:49.50 | somiaj | Though again, I just suggest using uefi on modern hardware, avoid the whole issue. |
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| 07:07.30 | backupluis | Hi ppl, I have a new internet provider with no access to admin page of the router, also I have all the inbound ports closed and no public IP4, its something called cgnat, but I have a public ip6 address, my problem is with my linux box, on windows I can download torrents, maybe using the ip6 because I see some peers with ip6 but on linux nothing happens, on both system got ip4&6 from dhcp, tested many torrent clients and |
| 07:07.30 | backupluis | all the same, not even connect with trackers, any clue? |
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| 07:09.45 | terr | WOW. Like I said. Its been a while since I did any of this. Seems since 1998 that some things have changed! |
| 07:10.48 | terr | Does an I5 2450M have virtualization? |
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| 07:11.18 | somiaj | yea, that is a modern enough cpu to have virtualization, just make sure you turn it on in the firmware/bios |
| 07:11.57 | terr | Okay! I know what to look for. |
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| 07:13.24 | terr | The machine is supposed to be HP PROBOOK 45306. Google does not seem to know of it |
| 07:16.13 | terr | The configuration you set up sounds perfect for me. On an internal drive I need nt, 7 and 10 64 bit. Possibly a 32 bit version but I am scratching my head on that one because these a very low power machines with 2 GB. |
| 07:17.22 | terr | On an external which I will use as a backup probably a copy of every os I use which includes for a Raspberry Pi |
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| 07:52.16 | wrksx | Damn, did #httpd closed? |
| 07:54.53 | ratrace | no. are you registered? you need to be registered. |
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| 07:58.14 | wrksx | I thiink I am |
| 07:58.57 | wrksx | Had a deconection earlier, maybe need to reauth |
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| 08:01.48 | wrksx | I'm authed, and typing /join #httpd sends me to ##checkyourconnection, wth is happening to me? |
| 08:01.52 | wrksx | so sad |
| 08:02.14 | ratrace | wrksx: well, it's offtopic here in #debian. if you have a question about apache on Debian, ask :) |
| 08:02.29 | wrksx | haha |
| 08:02.48 | ratrace | also, everyone is leaving freenode for libera.chat, so there could be closed channels, channel modes changes, and no ops around to help. |
| 08:03.00 | wrksx | oh really? |
| 08:03.15 | wrksx | is it still irc though? |
| 08:03.19 | ratrace | yes |
| 08:03.27 | wrksx | noïce |
| 08:03.39 | ratrace | https://kline.sh for a summary of what happened |
| 08:03.53 | wrksx | thanks ratrace |
| 08:04.10 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | foss is fragile |
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| 08:05.06 | wrksx | wow that intro, tears in my eyes |
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| 08:07.07 | wrksx | Damn freenode goin away |
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| 08:07.45 | jelly | all the same people are just going to be managing under a new name, that's basically what irc.libera.chat is about |
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| 08:08.27 | jelly | there's going to be a rough period of migration an adjustment, and hopefully back to BAU soon |
| 08:08.36 | jelly | business as usual |
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| 08:09.05 | wrksx | Yeah but freenode has been there nearly since I got access internet. |
| 08:10.11 | outoftime | home is not a place it is people (c) |
| 08:10.41 | wrksx | =) right |
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| 08:11.38 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | for what's it's worth i haven't been entirely happy with freenode's management |
| 08:11.44 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I'm curious what this new change will bring |
| 08:11.55 | ratrace | guys, offtopic. |
| 08:12.18 | jelly | I think we can allow for SOME offtopic during these interesting times. |
| 08:12.18 | wrksx | hudgely offtopic |
| 08:12.38 | wrksx | Irc is so much fun |
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| 08:13.26 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | XMPP is better |
| 08:13.34 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | irc is meh |
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| 08:13.55 | TheBigK | who gives a fuck about the protocol... the ppl is what counts |
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| 08:14.40 | ratrace | well I give a f. "I just have it set up the way I want, okay?!" -- xkcd #1782 |
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| 08:15.38 | wrksx | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:15.51 | alkisg | To be honest, the ability to start with text chat, and then selectively use voice or screen sharing, is great for support. But I don't like the fragmentation of slack/discord/matrix/whatever, it was nice that all developers were on IRC for a decade and more |
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| 08:17.19 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | their fragmented because there is a very real need for something better than irc |
| 08:17.38 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | which old farts keep ignoring and brushing off |
| 08:17.45 | ratrace | go ahead and use that, but leave britn^W IRC alone! |
| 08:17.55 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | nah |
| 08:18.07 | wrksx | Irc feels so much like chatting compared to others |
| 08:18.12 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I'm connected right now on XMPP via the biboumi network transport |
| 08:18.33 | TheBigK | ur real professional CAPTCHA_REQUIRED :D |
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| 08:19.54 | jelly | I'd accept whatever protocol as long as the UI looked like irc, dense text for easy reading. All the chat apps waste space and are making it hard to follow conversation. Slack and Discord are somewhat close but still horrible |
| 08:20.16 | terr | Hey if you new boots want something better than IRC, try ZOOM |
| 08:20.45 | jelly | !slap terr |
| 08:20.45 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across terr's face |
| 08:20.49 | wrksx | Well said jelly. And images and vieos don't help |
| 08:20.53 | terr | Ouch |
| 08:21.09 | jelly | wrksx, they help, other people like them, just not me |
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| 08:21.21 | TheBigK | some distance between ur chat partners is welcomed when it comes to support |
| 08:21.33 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | jelly: poezio |
| 08:21.34 | TheBigK | especially when u spend ur free time doing so |
| 08:21.36 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | psi+ |
| 08:21.40 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | profanity |
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| 08:24.43 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | even.. oddly enough |
| 08:24.51 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I've seen bitlbee as a useragent |
| 08:25.00 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | but that's far from a native experience |
| 08:25.26 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | with networks transports and the biboumi network transport, you get a free irc bouncer |
| 08:25.29 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | it's quite nice |
| 08:25.49 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | https://biboumi.louiz.org/ |
| 08:26.03 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | you don't even have to set it up yourself if your server provider already has it |
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| 08:26.11 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | or a friend runs one |
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| 08:28.39 | jelly | personally I plan to stick around until most of freenode #debian users, so about 500 at least, appear on either irc.debian.org or irc.libera.chat channel by the same name |
| 08:29.45 | jelly | this channel has been technically "unofficial" since |
| 08:29.47 | jelly | !irc move |
| 08:29.47 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 08:30.06 | ratrace | welp, I finally planted my derriere into OFTC/#debian |
| 08:30.11 | TheBigK | will do same then... i guess |
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| 08:36.22 | EdePopede | jelly: you really plan to check ~1k nicks in the manually? |
| 08:36.32 | EdePopede | s/the/the channel/ |
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| 08:40.35 | jelly | EdePopede, no, just look at the total |
| 08:41.19 | EdePopede | ah, because you said "by the same name". referring to the channel then? |
| 08:41.21 | wrksx | what if everyone do the samer |
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| 08:43.51 | ratrace | then someone would have to resolve the gordian knot that binds catch-22 into the infinite loop :) |
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| 09:25.39 | PMT | Hi all, I've got a slightly odd issue - I'm playing with an HPPA VM in qemu, and in qemu-system-hppa, networking works fine, but if I shut down that VM, mount its root filesystem, and chroot in using qemu-hppa-static, networking works fine...for everything except apt, which hangs forever on "0% [Working]" if I try apt update or install. wget -O /dev/null http://www.google.com/ works, so it's not obviously |
| 09:25.45 | PMT | DNS, and -o'Debug::Acquire::http=true' doesn't output anything. Anyone have any thoughts on what to try next? |
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| 09:27.52 | petn-randall | PMT: Broken IPv6 in the machine is my first guess. |
| 09:28.03 | Razva | Hi. Is this correct for forwarding port `65432` on eth0 to port `65432` on eth1 to 192.168.1.2 : `ufw route allow in on eth0 out on eth1 to 192.168.1.2 port 65432 from any port 65432 comment "SSH Sea"` ? |
| 09:28.04 | PMT | petn-randall: I tried -o [...]forceipv4=true, no change. |
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| 09:28.58 | PMT | (It is correct that I do not have working IPv6 connectivity here, though.) |
| 09:29.03 | petn-randall | PMT: -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true, and case matters. |
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| 09:29.39 | PMT | petn-randall: just tried with precisely that case, no change, unfortunately. |
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| 09:29.55 | petn-randall | PMT: What happens if you let it timeout? |
| 09:30.14 | PMT | I've tried leaving it for over 5 minutes and it doesn't seem to. |
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| 09:33.54 | petn-randall | PMT: `apt -o Debug::pkgAcquire=true update`? |
| 09:34.37 | PMT | https://pastebin.com/ikKQDYUt (it's not that exciting) |
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| 09:37.26 | petn-randall | PMT: There are also other debug options mentioned in `man apt.conf`. I'd try Debug::Acquire::http. What is the output of `host ftp.kr.debian.org`, and can you connect to it via curl/wget? |
| 09:37.44 | PMT | The latter, yes; the former, as I said, never outputs anything. |
| 09:38.17 | petn-randall | Oh right, we tried that. |
| 09:40.00 | petn-randall | PMT: just to clarify, wget -O /dev/null http://ftp.kr.debian.org works fine and return 200 OK? |
| 09:40.49 | PMT | Fascinatingly, though that wget does work and report 200 OK, "host" and "nslookup" both hang requiring a kill -9 to stop. Finding out on what may be slightly annoying, sec. |
| 09:41.21 | petn-randall | a simple `kill` should be enough, or not? |
| 09:41.38 | PMT | One would think, and yet. |
| 09:42.02 | petn-randall | Very weird. |
| 09:43.05 | PMT | Let's see what the strace says. |
| 09:43.20 | ratrace | `getent hosts ftp.kr.debian.org` returns an ip too? |
| 09:43.42 | petn-randall | Oh right, that might be an important detail. ^ |
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| 09:44.44 | PMT | getent hosts ftp.kr.debian.org returns multiple IPs and does not hang. |
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| 09:45.48 | ratrace | so the issue is very much specific to what APT does. could it be an ipv6 issue? |
| 09:46.40 | PMT | -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true does not change behavior. |
| 09:47.09 | ratrace | I'm now curious about that strace... |
| 09:47.35 | PMT | I can share it. |
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| 09:47.46 | ratrace | Please |
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| 09:47.54 | jelly | qemu-hppa-{user,static} might be buggy |
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| 09:48.25 | PMT | Certainly. But in what way, is the interesting question. |
| 09:48.34 | ratrace | but why would apt fail only |
| 09:49.25 | PMT | Since "host" and "nslookup" also block, I would assume they're all making a call that's not behaving well. |
| 09:50.04 | ratrace | oh I missed that part |
| 09:50.13 | PMT | https://pastebin.com/iwJp13fN |
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| 09:51.14 | ratrace | PMT: you have dig in that VM? |
| 09:52.02 | PMT | If not, I can eventually correct it. |
| 09:52.27 | PMT | dig behaves as nslookup and host. |
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| 09:52.40 | jelly | #mfw there's a zillion SIGSEGV and I just can't tell if that's normal for qemu-user |
| 09:52.58 | PMT | Yeah, me either. |
| 09:53.02 | ratrace | PMT: yes but it can do tcp vs udp queries, which is a hunch I'm having about that strace you posted |
| 09:54.18 | PMT | from dig www.google.com +tcp: |
| 09:54.19 | PMT | ;; communications error to 8.8.8.8#53: end of file |
| 09:54.24 | jelly | it might be nice to do a strace inside the emulated system, qemu-user strace command instead of strace qemu-user command |
| 09:54.43 | PMT | jelly: that horfs with EOPNOTSUPP, IIRC; I'll try it again and get the exact error. |
| 09:54.52 | jelly | nod |
| 09:54.58 | PMT | /usr/bin/strace: test_ptrace_get_syscall_info: PTRACE_TRACEME: Function not implemented |
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| 09:56.29 | PMT | My bad, ENOSYS. Oh well, point remains. |
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| 09:58.15 | PMT | I suppose I could always try working around this terribly... |
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| 10:08.39 | PMT | Rats, even setting up a local forwarding DNS server on the qemu host and pointing the qemu-static chroot to 127.0.0.1 doesn't help. |
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| 10:53.22 | jelly | PMT, at this point you could try and upgrade qemu blindly and hope for the best, or ask in #qemu over on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org), that's the official channel |
| 10:53.26 | jelly | ,v qemu |
| 10:53.27 | judd | Package: qemu on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u15; stretch: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u9; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u9; stretch-security: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u9; buster: 1:3.1+dfsg-8+deb10u8; buster-security: 1:3.1+dfsg-8+deb10u8; buster-backports: 1:5.2+dfsg-9~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1:5.2+dfsg-10; sid: 1:5.2+dfsg-10; experimental: |
| 10:53.28 | judd | 1:6.0+dfsg-1~exp0 |
| 10:53.33 | PMT | jelly: I already tried 6.0, it's even more broken |
| 10:53.37 | jelly | :-D |
| 10:53.52 | PMT | (attempting to do $FOO $BAR0 $BAR1 ... acts like you just did $FOO) |
| 10:54.20 | PMT | (e.g. "apt update" acts like you just tried "apt") |
| 10:54.21 | jelly | if you want a sparc64 machine instead I can send a couple over! |
| 10:54.25 | jelly | hides |
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| 10:54.28 | PMT | I already have two. |
| 10:54.31 | PMT | One is even real. |
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| 10:55.07 | PMT | (...though, ironically, the exact same sparc64 CPU qemu emulates by default.) |
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| 10:58.24 | PMT | Also, I think #qemu will just tell me to f off if I'm not running vanilla tarball qemu. |
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| 13:17.20 | cybrNaut | sfdisk refuses to allow a BIOS BOOT partition to be placed in the 1st 2048 blocks of the table. It says "/dev/sdb1: Sector 34 already used. Failed to add #1 partition: Numerical result out of range. Leaving." |
| 13:18.29 | cybrNaut | but it's actually a feasible place for BIOS BOOT, according to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#BIOS_systems |
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| 13:29.40 | queip | (cross ##linux) how to copy from folderA/ into folderB/ while chanigng symlinks into real copies? the target is VFAT32 |
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| 13:31.18 | petn-randall | !crosspost |
| 13:31.18 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
| 13:31.34 | queip | lol last time it was said to mention where it's crossed |
| 13:31.42 | H4ndy | use rsync with -LK flags |
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| 13:32.19 | queip | oki. I find it a bit odd it's not the default when cant copy.. but come to think yeah its better that way |
| 13:32.34 | queip | anyway progra mc also helped in more noobfriendly way |
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| 13:32.52 | queip | program mc |
| 13:33.50 | petn-randall | queip: It's not default because I'd *want* cp to fail when it can't copy the symlinks as is. Because there's a huge difference between a symlink and the real file. |
| 13:33.52 | deadrom | hi. is there an package that gives me a NAS web gui for debian? I know there are NAS distros, but can I have this with "regular" debian? |
| 13:34.47 | petn-randall | queip: Imagine 1000 symlinks to a 1 GB file. If you copy that to FAT32 that would all of a sudden use 1001 GB of disk space instead of 1 GB. |
| 13:35.07 | petn-randall | deadrom: What do you want the NAS GUI to do? |
| 13:35.17 | qman__ | deadrom: not specifically as far as I know, what whould this NAS GUI do, exactly? |
| 13:35.37 | qman__ | there are lots of web packages that do various things that you might install |
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| 13:40.26 | deadrom | qman__, well, actually just NAS but NAS distros have not the community support like large dists. probably will boil down to that after all, then |
| 13:41.43 | qman__ | define "just NAS" |
| 13:42.25 | qman__ | various hardware NASes and NAS distros do all sorts of different things in their web GUIs, so you need to define what functionality you're looking for |
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| 13:43.13 | deadrom | have an ol' smb share to the network that everyone with simple crdentials, not domain, can write backups to |
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| 13:43.51 | qman__ | ok, but what would the web GUI do in that scenario? that's easily accomplished by installing samba and filling out the smb.conf |
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| 13:50.38 | deadrom | qman__, you know what, you're right. I was thinking people need to be able to check online status and usage on a web gui and possibly drw logs, but then again - they never do |
| 13:51.19 | qman__ | if you want usage stats and monitoring, I'd use prometheus and grafana |
| 13:51.30 | qman__ | and there are lots of other options |
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| 14:12.28 | jamea77 | hi all |
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| 14:13.48 | jamea77 | i acces my web server as: http://192.168.104.87:8090/jinv/login.jsp how to do a internal name server for acces without ip? http://sysprod1:8090/jinv/login.jsp need install a dns? or? |
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| 14:14.58 | H4ndy | either via hostname or a local DNS server that does it for you (or even just a host file entry) |
| 14:15.31 | somiaj | jamea77: just use /etc/hosts would be my suggestion |
| 14:16.08 | jamea77 | test |
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| 14:18.03 | jamea77 | somiaj, is possible, have 2 names? sample, actually my server is named dbserver also i want name sysprod1 ? |
| 14:19.26 | imMute | jamea77: a server can only have a single canonical hostname, but you can have multiple DNS hostnames point to it just fine. |
| 14:20.01 | jamea77 | i am think if is possible in hosts: '192.168.104.87 <hostname> <hostname2>' ? |
| 14:20.07 | jamea77 | imMute thanks |
| 14:20.31 | somiaj | jamea77: you can either list the ip in /etc/hosts multiple times, or include multiple names on the same line |
| 14:21.12 | jamea77 | thanks |
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| 14:22.14 | ychaouche | hello #debian |
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| 14:22.31 | ychaouche | I just found out that start-stop-daemon is part of the dpkg package |
| 14:22.45 | ychaouche | so, this means it's debian-specific right ? |
| 14:23.51 | imMute | ychaouche: probably. it might be pulled into other distros, or reimplemented in other distros. |
| 14:24.10 | ychaouche | if that's the case, then this means init.d scripts are distro and init dependent ? |
| 14:24.25 | imMute | of course. |
| 14:24.34 | imMute | init scripts have always depended on sysvinit AFAIK |
| 14:24.35 | ychaouche | oh, unless reimplmented in other distros with same name |
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| 14:25.38 | ychaouche | Yes I knew that init.d was for sysvinit, and other init systems automagically import / run them, more or less. |
| 14:25.50 | ychaouche | but I didn't know that start-stop-daemon was dpkg sepcific. |
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| 14:26.05 | jamea77 | somiaj: changed (only for test purposes in 1 test server: 192.168.104.87 sysprodtest1 sysprodtest11, restarted the server, after, form windows pc: (first ping 192.168.104.87) answered correctly, but not when do ping sysprodtest1 The ping request could not find the host sysprodtest1. Check the name and |
| 14:26.06 | jamea77 | try again. |
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| 14:26.32 | imMute | jamea77: /etc/hosts only applies to DNS queries on the host it exists on, not other PCs. |
| 14:27.03 | somiaj | windows has its own hosts file (though it is hidden in the file system somewhere) |
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| 14:27.20 | somiaj | if you want a network wide local DNS, you'll have to set up a full DNS |
| 14:28.28 | jamea77 | ok understod and worked.. thanks friends.... |
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| 15:18.50 | jamea2 | hi all |
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| 15:20.16 | jamea2 | anyone have the lines of apt-list i have version Debian Gnu 10 |
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| 15:21.34 | imMute | jamea2: what? |
| 15:21.52 | imMute | jamea2: apt-list isn't a command... so what are you talking about? |
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| 15:24.22 | jamea2 | sorry sources.list |
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| 15:25.39 | imMute | !sources.list |
| 15:25.39 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 15:26.51 | jamea2 | thanks |
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| 15:27.55 | monsterco | I have a system that has storage filled up |
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| 15:28.22 | monsterco | trying to delete file I get this: |
| 15:28.22 | monsterco | rm -rf file-011219-0105.tar.gz |
| 15:28.22 | monsterco | rm: cannot remove âfile-011219-0105.tar.gzâ: Read-only file system |
| 15:28.27 | monsterco | what can I do to delete this? |
| 15:29.02 | jamea2 | arghh apt install openssh-server E: Unable to locate package openssh-server |
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| 15:29.23 | somiaj | monsterco: your filesystem is mounted read only for some reason, you'll have to remount it as read/write |
| 15:29.35 | monsterco | what is the command? |
| 15:29.41 | somiaj | jamea2: please provide the output of 'apt cache policy' at paste.debian.net |
| 15:29.50 | monsterco | probably because it is full it has mounted readonly? |
| 15:29.52 | somiaj | monsterco: it depends on what filesystem and where it is mounted, but there is a remount option |
| 15:29.55 | jamea2 | i can access only via chrome |
| 15:29.59 | jamea2 | cant copy text arghh |
| 15:30.05 | monsterco | somiaj, where can I find that info? |
| 15:30.05 | somiaj | !termbin |
| 15:30.07 | dpkg | you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: nc termbin.com 9999 < /path/to/file |
| 15:30.10 | somiaj | jamea2: ^^ |
| 15:30.29 | somiaj | monsterco: various ways, df, or mount should list the filesystem, and look up how to remount read-write |
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| 15:31.04 | somiaj | monsterco: though often times a filesystem is mounted read-only if it has errors, you may want to get onto a live system, fsck the file system and make sure there aren't any errors before doing this, otherwise there is a chance you destory the file system. |
| 15:31.16 | monsterco | somiaj, I have this with df -h |
| 15:31.21 | monsterco | ---- /dev/mapper/pve-vm--20015--disk--1 256G 243G 8.0K 100% / |
| 15:31.22 | jamea2 | ok... i know part of problem no internet.. soving first... thanks |
| 15:31.23 | somiaj | monsterco: https://askubuntu.com/questions/175739/how-do-i-remount-a-filesystem-as-read-write |
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| 15:32.59 | jelly | monsterco, kernel remounts a filesystem in read-only mode if a filesystem error occurs, to prevent further corruption |
| 15:33.33 | jelly | monsterco, inspect "dmesg" output to confirm that happened. You will have to reboot and let the boot-time filesystem check fix things |
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| 15:34.26 | jelly | avoid forcibly remounting rw a fs with known errors |
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| 15:36.53 | monsterco | somiaj, this is a container in proxmox |
| 15:36.58 | monsterco | this has happened before |
| 15:37.06 | monsterco | when storage fills up it umounts |
| 15:37.15 | monsterco | is there a way I can empty some files first? |
| 15:37.28 | jelly | monsterco, no, not in a safe way |
| 15:37.38 | somiaj | well you may want to ask proxmox support for how to deal with containers when this happens |
| 15:37.38 | jelly | first reboot and fsck, then delete files |
| 15:38.12 | somiaj | but yes, be careful, mounting a corrupted filesysstem read/write and writing to it can destroy data |
| 15:38.18 | jelly | long term, set up monitoring for your host and don't let the _host_ side of the storage fill up when you're using thin provisioned storage |
| 15:38.29 | monsterco | why deleting files before fsck is not a good practice/ |
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| 15:38.46 | jelly | because the filesystem state is BROKEN |
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| 15:39.02 | monsterco | and if it corrupts it is never retrievable? |
| 15:39.16 | monsterco | problem is that I can't add more storage so I don't know if fsck would work at all |
| 15:39.19 | jelly | there are errors that might be compounded if you write some mroe on it |
| 15:39.34 | jelly | and deleting files means writing metadata. |
| 15:40.11 | jelly | reboot, fsck, then delete. Alternatively, if you can, access the disk from outside the guest and fsck it from there. |
| 15:40.23 | jelly | while the guest is down |
| 15:40.24 | monsterco | it's a vm environment not sure how to get to fsck |
| 15:40.37 | jelly | just reboot it |
| 15:40.39 | monsterco | while guest is down? this is an issue of guest not mother |
| 15:40.43 | monsterco | I turned off guest |
| 15:40.47 | monsterco | now can't turn it on |
| 15:41.03 | jelly | "can't turn VM on" is a host issue |
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| 15:42.09 | somiaj | !proxmox |
| 15:42.10 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 15:42.26 | somiaj | monsterco: ^^ you might try their support, might find users more familar with proxmox tools that could help out. |
| 15:42.37 | jelly | monsterco, did you at least look at dmesg before you turned it off? |
| 15:45.11 | monsterco | jelly no |
| 15:46.18 | monsterco | jelly, actually I did I see. This is exactly what I got last time it filled up: https://pastebin.com/vddR2JAY |
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| 15:46.33 | monsterco | I was able to delete last time by mounting or some other way I forgot |
| 15:47.11 | monsterco | it is an LXC, can I not get to it's files from mother? |
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| 15:51.50 | jelly | I have no idea how lxc works. |
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| 15:52.45 | jsync | Hello. |
| 15:53.05 | wyoung | hi |
| 15:53.07 | wyoung | h5 |
| 15:53.14 | jelly | monsterco, that output implies the host backend blocked the writes, not the guest, but you'll want to ask someone who know more about lxc and proxmox to confirm |
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| 15:54.09 | jsync | I'm trying to find instructions for setting up lvm for use with numerous hdds that have var folders for a webserver. |
| 15:54.23 | jelly | monsterco, it's possible you have set limits from the host side that are lower than what the guest needs. It is NOT normal for IO errors to happen when the filesystem is full or close to full. |
| 15:54.33 | monsterco | jelly, I see |
| 15:54.41 | monsterco | I did pct mount ID there which is from proxmox |
| 15:54.42 | monsterco | but got |
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| 15:54.59 | monsterco | mount: /dev/mapper/pve-vm--20015--disk--1: can't read superblock |
| 15:55.01 | monsterco | so working that now |
| 15:55.08 | monsterco | mounting container failed |
| 15:55.15 | monsterco | command 'mount /dev/dm-9 /var/lib/lxc/20015/rootfs//' failed: exit code 32 |
| 15:55.20 | monsterco | this is 100% filling storage I know that |
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| 15:55.54 | karlpinc | I'm trying to self-backport guacamole. Judd says no problem, but I get an error with "apt -b source guacamole". It does not like -Werror. There's a patch that turns -Werror off in debian/, but apparently it does not do enough. What does "apt -b source guacamole" actually do? (How do I add another patch to the package so that I can make it compile?) |
| 15:56.22 | karlpinc | "man apt" and "apt -h" are no help. |
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| 15:56.55 | sussudio | try it without the -b. |
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| 15:57.15 | jelly | karlpinc, separate apt source ... from building; omit -b, the go to the source direcitory and do the build bit there, something like "dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us" |
| 15:57.44 | jelly | then when it fails, you can inspect the remains and try to fix things |
| 15:57.55 | karlpinc | Thanks. Will do. |
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| 15:58.19 | jelly | are you backporting from sid to buster, or are you using a newer upstream version than what's in debian, or ewhat? |
| 15:58.29 | jelly | ,v guacamole |
| 15:58.30 | judd | Package: guacamole on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8.3-1.1; sid: 0.9.9+dfsg-1; stretch: 0.9.9+dfsg-1 |
| 15:58.39 | jelly | wow, what |
| 15:58.48 | jelly | ,bug rm guacamole |
| 15:58.52 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/810040 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: guacamole -- ROM; Replaced by guacamole-client»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-01-05; last modified: 2016-02-05. |
| 15:59.07 | jelly | ,v guacamole-client |
| 15:59.08 | judd | No package named 'guacamole-client' was found in amd64. |
| 15:59.17 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 15:59.29 | Piggy | :-B |
| 15:59.32 | karlpinc | _Somebody_ in here was telling me why it was omitted for so long, but I forget.... |
| 15:59.47 | jelly | https://wiki.debian.org/Guacamole#Guacamole_server.2C_from_sources_.28v_0.9.14.29 |
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| 16:00.42 | jelly | you know it's not good when debian's own wiki tells you to just install crap from sources |
| 16:02.17 | karlpinc | Apparently though, it is in bullseye.... |
| 16:02.44 | karlpinc | (According to sources.debian.org) |
| 16:03.00 | jelly | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/guacamole-client |
| 16:03.04 | jelly | nope |
| 16:03.28 | jelly | hasn't been in testing since buster was testing |
| 16:03.58 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=866704 -- seems that some build/build-test failed and the matainers haven't had the time/desire to fix it |
| 16:04.00 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/866704 in libmaven-assembly-plugin-java (closed, ftbfs, sid, buster, bullseye): «guacamole-client FTBFS: guacamole-common-js failure»; severity: serious; opened: 2017-07-01; last modified: 2019-10-15. |
| 16:04.10 | karlpinc | Humm. Yes. It's guacamole-server that's in bullseye. |
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| 16:04.50 | jelly | karlpinc, #926276 SunWeaver promised to give it some love in March 2021, too late for bullseye however |
| 16:04.52 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/926276 in src:guacamole-client (open, bullseye, sid): «Should guacamole-client be removed?»; severity: serious; opened: 2019-04-02; last modified: 2021-03-08. |
| 16:05.27 | jelly | are they not same source code? |
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| 16:05.50 | jelly | ... nope |
| 16:06.01 | jelly | karlpinc, which one do you need, both? |
| 16:06.30 | sussudio | this whole discussion seems like repeat from the beginning of february, when karlpinc was last in here with the same thing. |
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| 16:07.51 | jelly | all of this has happened before |
| 16:08.47 | karlpinc | sussudio: Last feburary I was curious. Now I'm actually trying to make it run. |
| 16:08.49 | sussudio | and it will all happen again |
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| 16:09.06 | karlpinc | jelly: Yah. Both. |
| 16:09.32 | jsync | All of the lvm instruction pages act |
| 16:10.00 | somiaj | karlpinc: seems upstream source might be a better starting point that the what appears to be broken debian package. |
| 16:10.52 | jhutchins | It seems like it would be a good idea to check out other remote desktop options that are better known and supported. |
| 16:11.12 | karlpinc | somiaj: I'm starting to think so. I'll try following the apache.org instructions. |
| 16:11.26 | jsync | All of the lvm instruction pages seem poorly written. Misspelled words in various site pages that are typically reliable. It's difficult to find instructions that seem to make sense within an applied context. |
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| 16:11.48 | karlpinc | jhutchins: Mebbie. But I like the idea of granting access via a browser. |
| 16:12.21 | somiaj | karlpinc: I would start with the wiki jelly linked |
| 16:14.02 | karlpinc | Humm. Apache says: "Normally, you don't need to build guacamole-client, as it is written in Java and is cross-platform.". Maybe I'll try backporting the server and just "use" the client. |
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| 16:42.18 | jsync | I'm really uncomfortable with these instructions. It's not clear in any instructions I've found as to what drive has how much of what logical volume, not actually. It's like, various drives comprise one volume group, & I'm resizing a logical volume for the var folder? |
| 16:42.25 | cybrNaut | i plan to partition a target drive manually, since the Bullseye installer apparently can't handle BIOS BOOT partitions |
| 16:43.05 | cybrNaut | question is, when i'm in expert mode and I ask for a shell, how do I handle dm-crypt stuff? |
| 16:43.10 | PMT | jsync: /win 18 |
| 16:43.14 | PMT | sorry, m/t |
| 16:43.18 | cybrNaut | there is no "cryptsetup" command |
| 16:43.49 | jsync | PMT, what? |
| 16:43.59 | PMT | It was a mistype. |
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| 16:45.05 | somiaj | cybrNaut: Did you boot in UEFI or Legacy mode with the bullseye installer? |
| 16:45.18 | jhutchins | cybrNaut: Remember, the testing installer is for the purpose of testing/developing the installer, not for installing testing. It will be one of the last components updated before the release, to accomadate any last-minute changes. |
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| 16:45.58 | cybrNaut | somiaj: my hardware is BIOS-only |
| 16:46.01 | somiaj | cybrNaut: afiak if you use UEFI, it assumes gpt, and if you use legacy is assumes MBR, since those are the prefered situation for each method. |
| 16:46.10 | karlpinc | jsync: Read the first paragraph of "man lvm". |
| 16:46.11 | somiaj | cybrNaut: If you think you have found a bug/issue, you should report it. |
| 16:46.15 | jhutchins | jsync: It might be time to back up the content of the volumes and re-map the system. |
| 16:46.35 | somiaj | I haven't tested the installer on legacy hardware, so have no experience if this has changed with bullseye |
| 16:47.23 | cybrNaut | somiaj: yeah, those assumptions may simplify things for many users, but I need to partition manually as I will have a GPT-BIOS (thus bios boot) |
| 16:48.03 | jsync | jhutchins, I'm just starting to setup lvm, & I haven't found any reasonable instructions, not actually. |
| 16:48.26 | somiaj | cybrNaut: ahh so you are trying to use GPT with MBR compadability? I missunderstood, I thought you were using leagcy boot and not giving the mbr option. Yea, you may have to load some of the aditional installer componenets and do this manually. |
| 16:48.39 | somiaj | I'm unsure how sophoiscated the partition manager in the installer is for these edge casese. |
| 16:48.39 | jhutchins | !lvm |
| 16:48.40 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:49.31 | cybrNaut | jhutchins: I'm booting the Bullseye blu-ray release disc of april 14th (from USB). Does that come with the correct installer for installing bullseye? |
| 16:49.39 | jsync | Some guy writes that I run commands & format hdds, & he can't spell the difference between where & were, or to & too, not actually. Instructions aren't reliable & there are things not explained. |
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| 16:51.15 | somiaj | cybrNaut: the testing installer is in the rc1 canidate, but it still may have some issues to work out, providing bug reports and feedback will be useful. |
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| 16:51.54 | karlpinc | Well, looks like guacamole-server builds, using the instructions at apache.org. But for some reason the backported package of the same version does not. (Something to do with permissions for '_apt'.) |
| 16:53.06 | cybrNaut | somiaj: the installer's partition tool is indeed too limiting for my case, so i must partition manually. My LUKS is also going to be more sophisticated than that installer can handle too. So I will setup the crypto manually in advance too. My problem: when i jump to a shell in the installer, it gives a busybox environment that lacks cryptsetup. So how can I get my LUKS volumes mounted before the |
| 16:53.12 | cybrNaut | installer proceeds? |
| 16:53.44 | somiaj | cybrNaut: in the expert mode there is an option to load extra componenets, is cryptsetup one of those extra componenets? |
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| 16:54.14 | cybrNaut | somiaj: i'll try that |
| 16:55.51 | cybrNaut | hmm.. i loaded the extra components (it did not give a choice of what components), and then went to a shell and "cryptsetup" is still unrecognized |
| 16:57.03 | somiaj | cybrNaut: there should be a lit of things you can load like cfdisk and various other components. |
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| 16:57.56 | cybrNaut | the thing is labeled: "load installer components from installation media", and when I trigger that it goes off and loads a bunch of stuff non-interactively |
| 16:58.07 | somiaj | no not that |
| 16:58.23 | somiaj | that loads the default componenets, there is an option to load additional compoents. |
| 16:59.52 | cybrNaut | i don't see that option. this is the non-graphical expert install. Do I need to do the graphical expert install? |
| 17:00.58 | somiaj | no it is there, maybe I'm not recalling its name correctly, but I can't find a screenshot of the main expert menu |
| 17:01.02 | somiaj | I know I saw it recentally |
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| 17:04.24 | cybrNaut | after i "load installer components", the menu about doubles, but still i see no option that suggests loading more |
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| 17:05.16 | somiaj | cybrNaut: actually that is it, after you select "Load isnatller components from installation media" it detects the media then gives me a list of additional things I can load. I see crypto-dm-modules-5.10.0-6-amd64-di as an option, but I don't see one for cryptsetup, maybe you'll be better doing a manual install from a live system using debootstrap |
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| 17:07.13 | cybrNaut | crypto-dm-modules-5.10.0-6-amd64-di probably includes cryptsetup. but i'm not given any options after triggering "load installer components from installation media" |
| 17:07.36 | cybrNaut | did bullseye change that? |
| 17:07.39 | somiaj | hmm, it was clearly available to me from the bullseye installer -rc1 |
| 17:07.56 | somiaj | no that has been available for a long time, I just tested my bullseye netinstall, it was there |
| 17:08.24 | cybrNaut | i'm using RC1 as well. it's "debian-edu" (what's edu?) |
| 17:08.33 | somiaj | oh I'm using the offical debian one |
| 17:08.36 | somiaj | debian-edu is a pure blend |
| 17:08.39 | somiaj | !debian pure blend |
| 17:08.39 | dpkg | A Debian Pure Blend (formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends http://blends.debian.org/ #debian-blends on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:09.26 | somiaj | here edu = education, so it is a specific set of packages designed for education/school labs, etc, I don't know eactly what is on it, but I wouldn't use the -edu pure blend unless you know you need it |
| 17:09.54 | somiaj | I don't know if they change the installer (that would seem weird though), so I wouldn't expect that is the issue of why your isntaller is behaving differently than mine |
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| 17:10.37 | cybrNaut | shit.. it was hard enough just to find that. the bullseye blu-ray install ISOs are scarce |
| 17:10.57 | somiaj | why do you want the blu-ray and not just a netinstall? |
| 17:11.22 | somiaj | again I doubt that is the issue, but it could be your setup would be best done from a full live system (like maybe grml) and do a manual install with debootstrap |
| 17:11.59 | jsync | jhutchins, thanks for the urls. |
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| 17:12.08 | cybrNaut | netinstall can't happen over tor and it requires a network, and if i have multiple machines then it's redundant downloading |
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| 17:12.28 | jsync | That instructional makes sense to me. |
| 17:12.50 | cybrNaut | maybe i'll have to see how debootstrap works then |
| 17:13.17 | somiaj | cybrNaut: debootstrap requires a network, but with apt-cacher-ng you can create a caching proxy easy enough and thus only download from the network once |
| 17:13.29 | cybrNaut | i'm migrating from Stretch to Bullseye. I'm not interested in dist-upgrades and looking to skip Buster |
| 17:13.56 | somiaj | if you are doing a lot of local installs apt-cacher-ng gives you a nice way to have access to the newest packages and download things only once. |
| 17:14.07 | jsync | So, after I extend my var folder to 4tb with the additional drive, & I want to copy data out of a separate drive, I just copy all that data to the var folder? |
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| 17:14.40 | somiaj | jsync: well '/var directory', but yes, once you have the filesystem setup on lvm, you can just copy to it using normal tools. |
| 17:15.11 | jsync | somiaj, alright. Thanks. |
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| 17:15.34 | somiaj | though resizing/adding new disks to the lvm/etc I'm not that familar with, but that is a different layer/setup |
| 17:15.47 | cybrNaut | i just wonder why the crypto-dm-modules-5.10.0-6-amd64-di option was omitted. do schools not need crypto? |
| 17:16.45 | somiaj | Unsure, and I highly doubt the pure-blends are changing the installer outside of providing a different set of packages by default. |
| 17:17.46 | somiaj | but downloading a full blue-ray before a release (since there is still going to be various updates) may not be the best method. If you want to go with a full blue-ray/dvd/whatever installer, you may want to wait until the release. |
| 17:18.01 | somiaj | this way you get all the fixes that will be done before the release in the next month or two |
| 17:18.33 | cybrNaut | somiaj: won't i get all the fixes by doing "aptitude update"? |
| 17:19.09 | somiaj | Sure, but then you have to do that on each and every machine, and are now in the downloading stuff which I thought you wanted to avoid. |
| 17:20.01 | somiaj | hence why maybe apt-cacher-ng might suit your needs a bit better. Also note you don't need the internet to use the netinstall. The netinstall contains a fully functional base system. Once you finish the install, you can then set up your sources however you want/configure tor/etc, then install the rest of your packages. |
| 17:20.26 | somiaj | I think many get confused by that name, and don't realize you can do minimual base system offline installs with the netinstaller. |
| 17:20.30 | karlpinc | Ok... debian/rules needs --enable-allow-freerdp-snapshots added to the end of the dh_auto_configure lines. Then guacamole-server backports. |
| 17:21.03 | karlpinc | But I need UTF-8 in my debootstrap chroot. What package do I install for that? |
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| 17:22.21 | somiaj | karlpinc: locales |
| 17:22.31 | karlpinc | Thanks. |
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| 17:24.32 | jsync | Uhh, nautilus suggests there's not enough space within var to copy files. |
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| 17:25.22 | jsync | The Disk utility suggests var consists of 4tb of space. |
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| 17:27.30 | cybrNaut | i want the official (non-edu) version of this: debian-edu-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-BD-1.iso.torrent |
| 17:27.40 | cybrNaut | it's really hard to find |
| 17:29.09 | cybrNaut | i've been all over that file tree. regardless of whether the high level branch is "unofficial" or "bullseye_di_rc1", either way it leads to *edu* builds |
| 17:29.39 | somiaj | it could be the installer/dvd team hasn't started to making images until the actual release |
| 17:29.51 | cybrNaut | this should not have the edu version => https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/bullseye_di_rc1/amd64/iso-bd/ |
| 17:29.56 | somiaj | usually once the release hits, they go start creating all those images |
| 17:30.12 | cybrNaut | any idea when that is? |
| 17:30.15 | somiaj | !wir |
| 17:30.16 | dpkg | well, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 17:30.27 | somiaj | anyways, next 1-2 months is the current goal from what I hear. |
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| 17:30.41 | somiaj | jsync: have you actually mounted this new filesystem on /var ? |
| 17:30.54 | somiaj | jsync: it could be you can see the disk, but until you mount it, you cant copy to it in that location. |
| 17:31.24 | jsync | somiaj, I'll check that. Thanks. |
| 17:32.31 | cybrNaut | i don't want to wait that long. What are the consequences of the edu build (besides the dm-crypt issue)? |
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| 17:33.15 | somiaj | I think what you see isn't an issue, but all the edu is is a different set of packages by default, they all use the same main repo |
| 17:36.40 | karlpinc | What's a good vnc server? (x11vnc, tigervnc-standalone-server, something else?) |
| 17:37.11 | jsync | somiaj, I'm not certain how to mount the new drive, not actually. |
| 17:37.13 | oxek | none of them are good, but I use tiger |
| 17:37.28 | sney | x11vnc is specifically for sharing an existing X session |
| 17:37.48 | jsync | The Disk utility says that the dev/sde1 is mounted. |
| 17:37.50 | karlpinc | oxek: That's what the "vnc-server" virtual package uses. |
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| 17:38.08 | sney | and yeah, it's the vnc protocol that is kind of crappy so the software doesn't make much of a difference. try xrdp for a slightly more modern approach |
| 17:38.09 | karlpinc | sney: Humm. I _do_ want to share an existing X session. |
| 17:38.49 | karlpinc | sney: I'm open to rdp. I'll see if xrdp works. |
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| 17:43.33 | jsync | Ohh. I found it. I had to run resize2fs /dev/named-vg/var |
| 17:45.15 | somiaj | jsync: where is it mounted? |
| 17:46.19 | jsync | Uhh, I'm thinking it's mounted at var. This actually is my first lvm setup. |
| 17:47.52 | cybrNaut | somiaj: glad you mentioned debootstrap. After looking more into that, it seems like the ultimate expert of all expert install options. The big blu-ray ISO i already downloaded can be mounted and debootstrap can grab pkgs from it locally. It's seems to give the power & flexibility of a scratch install, but still Debian in the end |
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| 17:47.58 | somiaj | here lvm isn't anything special here, the same issue would appear if you didn't use lvm and traditional paritions, you need things to be setup where they are. |
| 17:48.00 | jsync | I followed these instructions: https://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/extendlv.html |
| 17:48.39 | jhutchins | karlpinc: The correct answer is ssh |
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| 17:49.47 | buu | Freaking debian |
| 17:50.13 | buu | My system has the wrong root=/dev/foo argument and it's dropping me into initramfs |
| 17:50.35 | buu | How do I either continue booting from initramfs prompt or fix the root arg from there? |
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| 17:52.16 | karlpinc | jhutchins: The correct answer is always ssh. ;) |
| 17:53.18 | karlpinc | jhutchins: Unfortunately I'm using rdp to frob a MS Windows box, and somebody needs to be able to watch what I'm doing -- they want to watch my desktop. |
| 17:54.05 | sussudio | buu: boot rescue disk. there are a few varities out there. |
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| 17:54.12 | buu | sussudio: seriously? |
| 17:54.19 | buu | What's even the point of having this shell then |
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| 17:55.00 | buu | I mean, why can't I run 'linux64 /foo/bar baz |
| 17:55.00 | PMT | I imagine you could mount the appropriate partition and edit the boot line, probably, from the initramfs prompt. |
| 17:55.10 | PMT | buu: because you're already in the linux kernel. |
| 17:55.16 | buu | PMT: I actually tried that first |
| 17:55.33 | karlpinc | buu: You can mount your partitions, edit /etc/default/grub, run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 17:56.08 | PMT | buu: what happens instead of working? |
| 17:56.28 | buu | Mounting any disk says "no such file or directory" |
| 17:56.54 | buu | "mounting /dev/sda1 on /mnt failed: no suchfile or directory" |
| 17:56.58 | buu | And yes /mnt exists, I just made it |
| 17:57.29 | PMT | I wonder if it's spitting that up because it needs a module for the filesystem and it's not autoloading? Random-ass guess, I haven't been in that situation in an age. |
| 17:57.43 | karlpinc | buu: And does /dev/sda1 exist? |
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| 17:59.28 | buu | Well |
| 17:59.33 | buu | It turns out it needed -t ext4 |
| 17:59.43 | buu | A+ error message |
| 18:00.26 | buu | Do I need to like |
| 18:00.34 | karlpinc | buu: The busybox mount command is, well, minimal. |
| 18:00.35 | buu | chroot and run grub update or something or can I just update the file |
| 18:01.20 | PMT | I would edit the file. |
| 18:01.50 | karlpinc | buu: chroot, edit /etc/default/grub, and run grub-update to generate the actual grub config file. (Or, you could go into the interactive grub prompt and dynamically modify the kernel command line for one-time use. And then fix it once booted.) |
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| 18:02.31 | cybrNaut | what's "S/390"? |
| 18:02.49 | karlpinc | !s390 |
| 18:02.49 | dpkg | s390 is a port of Debian, which uses the Linux kernel on IBM System/390 (aka S/390, zSeries) mainframe hardware. It was previously a supported architecture from Debian 3.0 "Woody" until Debian 7 "Wheezy". It has been replaced by the <s390x> port. http://www.debian.org/ports/s390/ |
| 18:03.12 | buu | karlpinc: I couldn't convince it to give me a grub prompt =[ |
| 18:03.31 | buu | PMT: I just edited grub/grub.cfg |
| 18:04.00 | karlpinc | buu: You can edit that, but it will go away when you upgrade the kernel etc unless you edit /etc/default/grub. |
| 18:04.01 | cybrNaut | thanks. |
| 18:04.22 | PMT | Yeah, the above is the important caveat to hand-editing grub config files. |
| 18:04.58 | buu | karlpinc: Well, the offending argument isn't in etc/default/grub so I'm slightly confused |
| 18:05.06 | buu | But I just rebooted, lets see what happens |
| 18:05.22 | buu | I assume I got myself into this mess in the first place by specifying a /dev/sdX as my root= device |
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| 18:05.51 | buu | (I rewired things and surprise! root disk has a different dev number!) |
| 18:07.00 | buu | <gump>Rebootin' linux is lahk a box of chocolates..</gump> |
| 18:07.35 | buu | Hurray, we have liftoff |
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| 18:09.48 | cybrNaut | the "debootstrap" install method is documented in "Appendix D. Random Bits", which gives a feeling of incompleteness. Shouldn't it get a chapter of its own? |
| 18:09.55 | cybrNaut | https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/arm64/index.en.html |
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| 18:15.31 | cybrNaut | i'll follow it and see what happens. I hope it's not just random bits and bobs |
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| 18:35.36 | cybrNaut | after cloning a debian installation to another drive, the clone cannot install stuff. "aptitude install <anything>" gives "[ ERR] Writing extended state information" \n "[ ERR] Building tag database" \n "E: Failed to execute process to save dpkg selections, dpkg or trying to execute it exited with status/errno: 2" \n "E: failed to save selections to dpkg database" |
| 18:36.35 | cybrNaut | is root supposed to own /var/lib/apt/extended_states? |
| 18:37.01 | cybrNaut | i wonder if rsync didn't preserve ownership, which may be causing this |
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| 18:37.14 | PMT | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 176715 May 20 07:30 /var/lib/apt/extended_states |
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| 18:38.10 | cybrNaut | thanks. I have the same perms so i guess that's not the issue |
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| 18:39.57 | cybrNaut | this was my rsync command => "rsync -vahHAXSi --delete --numeric-ids --prune-empty-dirs / /mnt/clone" |
| 18:40.23 | cybrNaut | i wonder if aptitude relies on any empty dirs |
| 18:42.54 | cybrNaut | figured it out |
| 18:43.54 | PMT | what was it |
| 18:43.58 | cybrNaut | aptitude leaves no further clue about the problem, so then i tried apt-get instead, which said "dpkg: error: cannot scan updates directory '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/': No such file or directory" |
| 18:44.21 | PMT | was it the --prune-empty-dirs |
| 18:44.27 | cybrNaut | mkdir /var/lib/dpkg/updates/ <= fixes it for both aptitude and apt-get |
| 18:44.34 | PMT | what about "apt" |
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| 18:44.49 | cybrNaut | yeah, --prune-empty-dirs rm'd /var/lib/dpkg/updates |
| 18:45.26 | cybrNaut | i've never used "apt" |
| 18:45.37 | cybrNaut | normally just aptitude |
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| 18:46.15 | cybrNaut | anyway, that's a bit fragile, no? Shouldn't aptitude create /var/lib/dpkg/updates if it needs it? |
| 18:46.20 | PMT | I haven't used aptitude in...lord. |
| 18:46.24 | PMT | Some time. |
| 18:47.04 | cybrNaut | well apt-get has the same dependency on that empty dir, but at least it says what the problem is |
| 18:47.19 | PMT | I would imagine apt did too, because I suspect they were all using the same libraries. |
| 18:47.47 | PMT | Just a guess, though, I have not looked at how the sausage is made. |
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| 19:00.56 | cybrNaut | i just realized that if i compensate for the issue by doing "mkdir /var/lib/dpkg/updates", i risk creating it with the wrong perms. So it's perhaps smarter to "touch /var/lib/dpkg/updates/dummyfile" before doing an rsync |
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| 19:02.59 | PMT | ...or just don't prune empty dirs? |
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| 19:16.14 | cybrNaut | feature request: add a SOCKS4a proxy option to debootstrap |
| 19:16.47 | abrotman | cybrNaut: you can file a bug to request that. |
| 19:17.39 | PMT | why not SOCKS5? |
| 19:17.44 | cybrNaut | maybe i will. is email the only way to file bug reports? |
| 19:17.54 | sney | it doesn't accept the PROXY= env variable? odd |
| 19:18.02 | PMT | reportbug still functions, as of a few hours ago. |
| 19:18.20 | sney | yes, the bts uses email. if you're concerned about privacy, use a free address from some public service, plenty of people do |
| 19:18.41 | abrotman | cybrNaut: Yes .. Unless you count email-via-irc-as-a-proxy .. but we aren't inclined to file bugs on other's behalf :) |
| 19:20.26 | cybrNaut | PMT> why not SOCKS5? <= 4a is better because it's inherently resistant to DNS leaks |
| 19:20.52 | cybrNaut | sney> it doesn't accept the PROXY= env variable? odd <= or if it does, it's undocumented |
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| 19:21.56 | abrotman | either would be a bug-ish thing |
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| 19:25.21 | cybrNaut | used to use mixmaster to file debian bug reports, right up until the mixmaster pkg was terminated on debian |
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| 19:29.20 | cybrNaut | PMT: i used to use reportbug to form the bug report msg, which mixmaster could then send. I think the mixmaster network still runs, and hopefully one day i'll scrap together a client |
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| 19:32.37 | cybrNaut | is the debian mail server persnickety about whether reports come from a dynamic IP address? |
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| 19:33.17 | cybrNaut | i don't recall why i stopped submitting bugs, but that would be one likely reason |
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| 19:39.44 | cybrNaut | i should say the bugs don't get lost.. i just report them against ubuntu instead so at least they have a chance of making it upstream |
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| 19:44.30 | jhutchins | cybrNaut: What keeps Debian bug reports from making it upstream? |
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| 19:47.19 | PMT | I've been told to report bugs upstream and CC the Debian bug multiple times. |
| 19:48.41 | jhutchins | PMT: Well, if it's an upstream bug, then yeah, it needs to get reported upstream, but that's something the Debian people shold do after triaging them. |
| 19:48.45 | sney | package maintainers are typically in touch with their software's upstream, so as long as the maintainer is active, relevant non-pebcak issues usually get passed along. but a cc never hurts. |
| 19:49.07 | cybrNaut | jhutchins: i suppose it's down to people's motivation. I post the bug report on Ubuntu. From there, a developer might mirror partially upstream to debian, or fully upstream to the top level. |
| 19:49.10 | sney | having a public record of the communication is arguably better than the maintainer just pinging someone on irc, e.g. |
| 19:50.12 | jhutchins | When I was working with Mandrake, the upstream folks took reports from the Mandrake people much more seriously than users. I was often told to install from source and check for the bug. |
| 19:50.44 | cybrNaut | it's a sad state of affairs because the top of the stream is often MS Github and many users won't go there |
| 19:51.13 | jhutchins | On the other hand, I just got blown off for reporting a bug from buster backports because the version was too old to be relevant. So much for supporting stable. |
| 19:52.18 | PMT | On a Debian bug? |
| 19:52.48 | sney | bpo is more of a convenience than anything, it can't be prioritized higher than the testing cycle. were you able to reproduce that issue in bullseye? |
| 19:54.03 | jhutchins | PMT: Yeah, Calibre on Buster can't open a DB that's on a network share (CIFS), the version on Stretch does just fine. |
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| 19:54.50 | jhutchins | I suspect the actual bug is within Python. |
| 19:56.32 | PMT | Ah, and you're being bitten because Calibre has migrated Python versions and doesn't gaf any more about pre-migration versions? |
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| 20:03.35 | cybrNaut | both sfdisk and gdisk are incapable of writing to sector 34. What other tools can I try on a GPT? |
| 20:04.09 | ratrace | cybrNaut: writing what? |
| 20:04.24 | PMT | I do not know of anything that can reproduce a Windows partition layout like that (IIRC the last time I saw this was Windows doing it, and being frustrated nothing would do it) |
| 20:04.42 | cybrNaut | a bios boot partition, following this guide: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#BIOS_systems |
| 20:05.01 | cybrNaut | it says " In fdisk or gdisk create a new partition starting at sector 34 and spanning to 2047 and set the type" |
| 20:06.27 | ratrace | you don't have to do exactly that. I run bios_grub partitions at 1 MiB offset, 1MiB in size |
| 20:07.01 | ratrace | the _first_ 34 sectors have meaning for MBR, but there's no rule taht you have to place the bios_grub one right after taht |
| 20:07.23 | cybrNaut | right, i know i have a choice |
| 20:07.33 | ratrace | BUT ... if you insist... parted can start partitions at sector granularity |
| 20:07.58 | PMT | IIRC parted complains if you try this, but I'd love to be wrong! |
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| 20:08.15 | ratrace | it warns about misalignments |
| 20:08.25 | cybrNaut | thanks i'll try it |
| 20:08.33 | ratrace | but you can switch to "s" units (Sectors) and it won't matter, it's always aligned |
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| 20:10.52 | cybrNaut | parted doesn't seem to support the BIOS BOOT "filesystem" type |
| 20:12.32 | ratrace | cybrNaut: it's a flag, not fs type |
| 20:13.13 | ratrace | like, set # bios_grub on where # is the partition number |
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| 20:15.40 | cybrNaut | so i issued these commands: "unit s" then "mkpart primary 34 2047" and it came back with "Error: Unable to satisfy all constraints on the partition." |
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| 20:17.28 | ratrace | cybrNaut: with "mklabel gpt" first? |
| 20:17.43 | ratrace | also that "primary" is actually partition LABEL, not type |
| 20:18.11 | ratrace | the help/manpage is a bit misleading |
| 20:18.15 | cybrNaut | ratrace: it already has GPT partitions |
| 20:18.33 | ratrace | so maybe you can't add it there post-hoc. what's the current layout? |
| 20:18.43 | cybrNaut | the help specifies the syntax as "mkpart PART-TYPE [FS-TYPE] START END make a partition" (no label) |
| 20:18.58 | ratrace | I know what the help specifies, but that "primary" is actually PARTLABEL |
| 20:19.08 | funabashi | Hi, my time stap in /var/log/syslog is incorrect, any idea how to fix it? |
| 20:19.13 | cybrNaut | the current layout is 6 partitions, GPT, starting from 2048 |
| 20:19.34 | ratrace | cybrNaut: 2048th sector? |
| 20:20.07 | ratrace | cybrNaut: can you pastebin the output of parted's "print"? I'm having hard time visualizing it |
| 20:20.12 | ratrace | run "print" after setting "unit s" |
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| 20:21.56 | cybrNaut | apparently parted cannot place a partition above others. even though it already had a GPT label, i did a "mklabel gpt" and that wiped out the existing table |
| 20:22.16 | cybrNaut | after that, it accepted my "mkpart primary 34 2047" command |
| 20:22.18 | ratrace | after it warned you it'll do so |
| 20:23.26 | cybrNaut | well the warning is kind of vague. This is what it said: "Warning: The existing disk label on /dev/sdb will be destroyed and all data on this disk will be lost. Do you want to continue?" |
| 20:24.01 | PMT | how is "all data lost" vague? |
| 20:24.01 | ratrace | well, the label will be destroyed, but not data. it's possible to recreate it manually as those are just offsets in the GPT table sectors |
| 20:24.21 | cybrNaut | well, perhaps not vague.. i just would have thought that the label change would not be destructive if going from gpt to gpt |
| 20:24.29 | ratrace | the _tables_ will be destroyed. GPT keeps them at the beginning and end of the physical device |
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| 20:24.51 | PMT | I thought GPT kept them solely at the end with a fake one at the front? |
| 20:24.58 | ratrace | if you remember, or have in the screen scroll buffer, the offsets before you mklabel'ed, you can recreate the layout |
| 20:25.16 | ratrace | PMT: no it has two copies, so if one's corrupted, it can restore from the backup copy |
| 20:25.34 | PMT | Huh. That makes sense, I just didn't know it did it. |
| 20:25.59 | cybrNaut | okay.. bit annoying though. I'd like to use sfdisk to write all the partitions except BIOS BOOT, then use parted to just add BIOS BOOT. that seems impossible |
| 20:26.25 | ratrace | why don't you use parted for everything |
| 20:26.53 | ratrace | also, sfdisk is pretty versatile, it CAN do what you want. lemme re-check the manpage |
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| 20:27.00 | cybrNaut | maybe that's a decent option.. can I pipe these commands into parted? |
| 20:27.17 | cybrNaut | to be non-interactive? |
| 20:27.20 | ratrace | oh wait... that was sgdisk I was thinking of |
| 20:28.02 | ratrace | but, bios_grub is type 0xEF02, so pretty much any GPT layout tool that can set these flags, can do it |
| 20:28.28 | ratrace | cybrNaut: sgdisk is the best tool for scripts, imho |
| 20:28.45 | ratrace | but yeah you can use parted that way too, it's a bit more verbose |
| 20:29.05 | cybrNaut | i'll have a look at sgdisk then. |
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| 20:30.02 | cybrNaut | i'm going this hands-on interactive, but i prefer setting it up non-interatively so my logs of what I did are simpler |
| 20:31.28 | mspe | didn't try sgdisk but parted is nice for cli usage/scripting |
| 20:32.39 | ratrace | what I like about sgdisk is that you can set relative sizes/offsets. with parted you have to calculate the start of the next partition based on size of previous |
| 20:33.03 | ratrace | with sgdisk you can just 0:+<size> and it adds them at the end of last one |
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| 20:38.03 | mspe | you don't have to calculate the starting offset, cause the final offsets of existing partitions are displayed; but you have indeed to calculate ending offsets of new partitions you create |
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| 20:40.25 | cybrNaut | i found that for my drive, if i let the last partition I create use the rest of the disk space, it's not aligned on a 4k boundary which supposedly hinders performance. |
| 20:40.31 | ratrace | mspe: you have to calculate the starting offset in scripted, noninteractive situations |
| 20:40.54 | cybrNaut | so i sacrifice a couple k to ensure alignment |
| 20:41.08 | ratrace | cybrNaut: the _beginning_ misalignment hinders performance, not the ending |
| 20:41.31 | ratrace | it barks about that because it's dumb. misaligned ending affects the _next_ partition but if that's the end of the drive it doesn' matter |
| 20:41.59 | ratrace | that said .... I always partition shorter. I've been bitten by disk replacements that claimed same byte size but weren't really in sector count |
| 20:42.02 | cybrNaut | interesting.. that will make things easier then |
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| 20:45.54 | cybrNaut | parted makes no mention of stdin.. guess the commands must be all on the CLI? does parted need to be invoked for each command then? |
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| 20:46.46 | ratrace | cybrNaut: yes, that's teh "verbose" part I mentioned earlier. |
| 20:47.10 | ratrace | cybrNaut: you can chain them up. parted /dev/sda unit mib mklabel gpt mkpart somename 1 2 mkpart 2 5 ... |
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| 20:48.56 | cybrNaut | ah, bad manpage then. According to the manpage it's one parted invocation per command |
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| 20:50.41 | ratrace | well I could be wrong, I seem to recall you could chain them; but it's been a while since I used parted that way. sgdisk is what I use these days |
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| 20:51.58 | mspe | yeah you can do both |
| 20:52.52 | mspe | but if you do multiple commands, you have to specify unit everytime if you don't use the default one |
| 20:53.39 | mspe | I think that's the main reason why they did chain commands in one invocation |
| 20:53.54 | mspe | parted unit ??? operation1 operation2⦠|
| 20:54.05 | ratrace | yeah |
| 20:56.57 | cybrNaut | it rejects this => parted -s /dev/sdb unit s mklabel gpt mkpart primary 34 2047 name 1 "bios boot" set 1 legacy_boot |
| 20:57.50 | cybrNaut | it's the name apparently.. can't have a space |
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| 20:59.40 | ratrace | cybrNaut: mkpart bios_boot 34 2047 |
| 20:59.54 | ratrace | the first param for mkpart is the (PARTLABEL) name |
| 21:00.19 | ratrace | ALSO set flag. set 1 bios_grub on |
| 21:00.39 | cybrNaut | ratrace: that's not what the man page or the interactive docs say.. i think we have a version difference |
| 21:01.07 | ratrace | I know what the manpage says and it's wrong. I've been doing this for many years with parted :) also TIAS. check /dev/disk/by-partlabel/ after you've created it that way |
| 21:01.28 | ratrace | actualyl it's not wrong, it's incomplete. I think that "PART_TYPE" refers to MBR layouts specifically |
| 21:01.37 | ratrace | "primary" is meaningless for GPT |
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| 21:03.08 | cybrNaut | "PART-TYPE is one of: primary, logical, extended" <= and part-type is a mandatory 1st arg. So if that's not the case, the docs must be wrong |
| 21:03.46 | ratrace | TRY IT and see for yourself :) mkpart bios_boot 34 2047 and then see that /dev/disk/by-partlabel/bios_boot has been created |
| 21:03.47 | cybrNaut | switches to sgdisk |
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| 21:09.39 | cybrNaut | how do i tell sgdisk to create a GPT table after doing --clear? |
| 21:10.45 | ratrace | you don't. just use -n to add partitions it'll implicitly create the table |
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| 21:12.06 | ratrace | but if that's scripting, perhaps you should use -Z and compeltely wipe out the tables before new layout. check the manpage for differences |
| 21:13.02 | cybrNaut | -Z is apparently for a damage drive, and it also quits after executing |
| 21:13.28 | ratrace | -Z does a wipe and doesn't bother to check if existing tables are okay or not |
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| 21:31.37 | cybrNaut | sgdisk docs suck too |
| 21:32.05 | ratrace | now what :) |
| 21:32.38 | cybrNaut | "For example, type sgdisk -A 4:set:2 /dev/sdc to set the bit 2 attribute (legacy IOS bootable) on partition 4", but if i do sgdisk --list, BIOS boot partition is "ef02" |
| 21:33.47 | cybrNaut | so the "2" in "4:set:2" is undocumented |
| 21:34.13 | ratrace | 0xef02 is BIOS_GRUB type for Grub's GPT stage 2 loader . it's not the same thing as "bootable" flag for MBR |
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| 21:35.14 | cybrNaut | well it says "Use list to see defined (known) attribute values." what list? i can only imagine it means --list |
| 21:35.46 | ratrace | sgdisk -A=list |
| 21:36.42 | ratrace | the options is explained as: -A, --attributes=list|[....] |
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| 21:37.20 | cybrNaut | ah |
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| 21:38.32 | ratrace | so if you're looking to define the Grub's GPT "bios_grub" type 0xEF02 partition, that's not the "bit 2; legacy BIOS bootable" flag |
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| 22:13.14 | cybrNaut | right.. and in fact i was thinking maybe i don't need to set a partition as active/bootable if it's a GPT table |
| 22:13.41 | somiaj | that flag did very little even in mbr days for linux |
| 22:14.23 | somiaj | basically that flag was the partition the mbr would try to boot second if there wasn't a boot loader on the main mbr, which there usually was (most install grub on /dev/sda vs /dev/sda3 for instance) |
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| 22:16.35 | ComCat | IMPORTANT NOTICE: Hi Ops. Please update the topic to point to the new server (libera.chat). Thank you. Current situation: crown prince of korea and co-founder of MtGox (bitcoin exit-scam) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Lee_(entrepreneur) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mt._Gox#Bankruptcy;_stolen_bitcoin_(2014%E2%80%93ongoing) - has now full control over Freenode and has destaffed ALL the staffers you knew. The staffers have founded and |
| 22:16.40 | ComCat | moved to Libera.chat. Sponsors of Freenode are beginning to pull out, it is unknown for how long the freenode will be stable. Most channels, projects and users are now migrating to Libera. Libera is a registered non-profit organization with mitigations against this disaster happening ever again. Leaked chats showing disgusting intents and former devs that have worked with Mr.Lee before says that he's disorganized, dishonest and that they wish to |
| 22:16.45 | ComCat | never work with him again (he managed to scam freenode out of our hands and he lied to the staffers). All officiall freenode channels are now currently under complete censorship. https://distfiles.dereferenced.org/stuff/nirvana-log.txt - https://paste.sr.ht/~ircwright/7e751d2162e4eb27cba25f6f8893c1f38930f7c4 - Please update your topic to point to the new server if you haven't done so already. This message is to inform the users about the |
| 22:16.50 | ComCat | situation if the topic is set already. Spread this message too. |
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| 22:20.18 | cybrNaut | would be nice if they would say *where* Libera.chat is registered. freenode is in the UK, under UK law. what's the new jurisdiction |
| 22:20.55 | petn-randall | Duh, Liberia. |
| 22:21.01 | petn-randall | ;) |
| 22:21.20 | sussudio | i think i saw sweden mentioned. |
| 22:21.22 | jelly | I don't like when people mix truths and lies to promote an agenda |
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| 22:21.43 | jelly | even if I might agree with 90% that idiot wrote |
| 22:21.46 | sussudio | jelly: sounds like politics. |
| 22:22.07 | somiaj | Although intersting, just a reminder that debian's irc network is irc.oftc.net = irc.debian.org, and if you are intersted about things you should join #libera on their network to talk about such things. |
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| 22:23.03 | jelly | new staff has joined here, and hasn't made ANY move that might be construed as "censorship" at all |
| 22:30.49 | troyt | cyberNaut: according to https://libera.chat, they incorporated in Sweden. |
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| 22:33.25 | troyt | No idea really about "why" though. |
| 22:34.39 | ratrace | jelly: yet :) |
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| 22:41.40 | ratrace | speaking of ... time to give this place a laugh. see ya on OFTC and Libera! |
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| 22:50.31 | ryouma | i just got "grub-install: error: attempt to install to encrypted disk without cryptodisk enabled. Set `GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y' in file `/etc/default/grub'." what can cause this error? i have a plaintext boot partition and an encrypted root. why does grub think the DISK is encrypted? |
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| 22:57.59 | Hash | troyt: kids. |
| 22:58.18 | Hash | https://twitter.com/HashBorgir/status/1395512643381698560 <- my latest tweet on the matter. |
| 22:58.22 | Hash | \o/ |
| 22:58.31 | Hash | But anywhoo |
| 23:00.02 | jelly | ryouma, mm, is your /boot in fstab? |
| 23:00.12 | jelly | and mounted? |
| 23:00.47 | jelly | scratch that, it has to be mounted for grub-install to read /boot/grub/device.map and friends |
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| 23:07.00 | ryouma | jelly: thanks for confirming. i found a thing on the web that hinted at that. i am trying to move root to another partition on the same drive. for some reason /boot is not mounted, so grub must not have found it. |
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| 23:10.54 | ryouma | i will try booting to make sure everything works, then mount newroot and newroot/boot, populate the latter, and then do the dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc again. |
| 23:11.14 | ryouma | or maybe i don't need the rebooting step,hmm |
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| 23:12.50 | terr | Somiaj, my admin set up multiboot for me. 350 GB drive. About 100 in partition 1, windows 7 pro. About 100 in partition 2, windows 10 pro. These will be C & D both NTFS. About 100 partition 3 for ext4 (probably) and Debian. Looks pretty good to me. I can use dd and drop this on a terabyte drive and the rest is an extended partition for anything |
| 23:13.50 | somiaj | I don't do much with disk imaging (mostly cause I don't mess with windows that much). I peronsally prefer to just crate a new partition table/file system and then copy things, though unsure how well this works with NTFS |
| 23:14.24 | somiaj | But if you dd the smaller drive onto the bigger drive, you'll have to extend the partition table, then you can use the reamining space as a new partition (or extend partitions) |
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| 23:20.44 | terr | Likely this is what I will do. My intention is to not use windows. I dropped it completely around 1998 an swore never again. |
| 23:21.35 | somiaj | I just prefer to mess with coppying files vs mirrioring the whole filesystem/partition table. Each has its advantanges though. |
| 23:22.34 | terr | I have 3 external 1TB drives. 2 empty and 1 in testing. |
| 23:23.00 | terr | Its snowing here. |
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| 23:23.17 | terr | I pick up the machine tomorrow. |
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| 23:25.17 | terr | Over the weekend I should be able to get to a Debian install. Finally. I was ready to do this almost a year ago and had to drop the project. |
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| 23:38.52 | solrize | i need to temporarily create a single directory with about 500,000 files in it. with ext4 this is quite painful, does anyone know if xfs can handle it? e.g. by using a hashed dir structure instead of a linear one. it would be on an SSD based virtual disk if that matters |
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