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| 01:38.03 | urk | Just wondering if anyone has experience adjusting the color temperature in a Dell XPS 15 7590? My screen is bluish white instead of true white so I would like to lower the color temperature. Online, I found a tool called sct which seems to allow you to adjust the color temperature, and I am wondering if this tool also tells you what your existing color temperature is so that I get a comparison. |
| 01:38.35 | urk | sct is in the repos, and I have installed it, but wanted to find out other people's experiences before trying it out. |
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| 01:42.02 | cybrNaut | i suspect the bug i hit may be 10 years old. someone noticed that /etc/apt/apt.conf was never updated to have 'Acquire::cdrom::mount "/media/apt/";' https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/problems-with-apt-cdrom-add-command-866761/ |
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| 01:48.06 | cybrNaut | fuck me. the april 14 RC1 release is expired and even after hacking on shit to make it progress further, "apt update" falls over with => E: Release file for file:/media/debian_install_bd/dists/bullseye/Release is expired (invalid since 29d 11h 35min 26s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 01:49.14 | sney | use Acquire::check_valid_until=no in your sources.list or apt commands |
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| 01:54.18 | cybrNaut | E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (type) <= guess it can't go in sources.list |
| 01:54.40 | cybrNaut | or is it supposed to be an option for an existing deb line? |
| 01:55.16 | sney | an option, yeah, in [] between deb and the url. snapshot.debian.org relies on it to work, so they have instructions on the main page |
| 01:56.53 | urk | well, I just ran sct and lowered the temperature a bit, and also turned up brightness. Seems to be better already. 6500k is just too bright, and bothers my eyes. I never had a problem when running an older LG LED desktop screen, but LG doesn't make the desktop screens as good as it used to. |
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| 01:58.06 | cybrNaut | this is not working => deb [trusted=yes, check-valid-until=no] file:/media/debian_install_bd/ bullseye main contrib |
| 01:58.19 | cybrNaut | are options supposed to be comma separated? |
| 01:58.39 | cybrNaut | ah, no comma |
| 01:58.45 | cybrNaut | works now. Thanks! |
| 01:58.50 | sney | np |
| 02:03.34 | somiaj | urk: you don't have a hardware brigthenss tool, some laptops ahve these under the fn + key |
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| 02:11.09 | urk | somiaj: I do have a hardware brightness tool. Brightness isn't the problem. Its the color temperature that I objected to. I looked up tools online, and found sct. It is in the repos, and extremely easy to use. All you have to do is type sct and the temperature you want, and it is instantly changed. However, having a tool that tells you your current color temperature would be nice as well. If a value isn't entered after sct then it default to |
| 02:11.09 | urk | 6500k. |
| 02:11.20 | ryouma | i get asked a password twice for the root fs. this seems strange to me and i wasn't asked twice before. some arch resource says that grub doesn't hand off the unlocking to initramfs (in their os at least) and so you have to change the latter to be asked only once. as it didn't occur to me before, idk if this is the same issue. i am not concerned about being asked twice, but i'd be interested in knowing why, just |
| 02:11.21 | ryouma | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.32 | somiaj | urk: does the monintor not have color settings too, this of course varies on the monintor. Eitherway sounds like you found a solution. |
| 02:14.49 | urk | somiaj: I'm on a laptop. |
| 02:15.01 | urk | somiaj: I'm running a Dell XPS 15 7590 |
| 02:15.08 | somiaj | ryouma: are you using an encrypted /boot? |
| 02:15.23 | ryouma | somiaj: /boot is plaintext; / is luks |
| 02:15.34 | urk | Dell has been highly responsive to questions and features about concerns so I am likely to buy another one when the time comes for upgrading. |
| 02:15.44 | somiaj | ryouma: hmm, unsure what is going on then, since grub shouldn't need to get into LUKES at all and only the initramfs should be asking. |
| 02:15.45 | ryouma | (i have not looked into the whole encrypted boot thing and don't understand what would make it possible) |
| 02:16.51 | somiaj | ryouma: grub has the ability to read encrypted partitions, and that is all that is needed to make it work. The issue you found online sounds like someone was using encrypted boot because they talk about grub needing to pass the passphrase to the initramfs. |
| 02:16.55 | somiaj | hence why I asked |
| 02:17.11 | ryouma | ok |
| 02:18.09 | somiaj | ryouma: to me you have some issue with your initramfs which is asking for your password twice. Did you chagne anything before you notice this change? |
| 02:18.45 | somiaj | weren't you making a copy of your file system to a new disk? |
| 02:19.10 | ryouma | this issue started a year or more ago |
| 02:19.27 | ryouma | i think it started when i moved to a new computer |
| 02:19.31 | ryouma | (not a reinstall) |
| 02:19.49 | somiaj | sounds like you may have some duplication in the initramfs, and probably need to start looking there. |
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| 02:20.22 | somiaj | it maybe the duplication occured when copying/moving over to the new computer |
| 02:21.25 | ryouma | when i move a boot and root fs, i do a chroot and update-initramfs -t -u -k all and grub stuff. idk if those are the right options for initramfs. |
| 02:22.08 | ryouma | does the non-initramfs kernel try to unlock the root fs at all? |
| 02:22.47 | somiaj | what do you mean by non-initramfs kernel? |
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| 02:27.14 | ryouma | i mean, idk what occurs in the boot process precisely. i was referring to the kernel as we know it when debian is no longer running the initramfs. |
| 02:27.33 | somiaj | the kernel doesn't change |
| 02:27.49 | somiaj | all initramfs does is provide a filesystem the kernel can have access to before it mounts / |
| 02:27.59 | ryouma | but it changes from the initramfs fs to the main root fs or so right? |
| 02:28.43 | somiaj | Well it mounts the rootfs, and since there are so many different filesystems/raids/lvm/encryption setups, initramfs provides the modules and tools needed to mount rootfs basically (it can do other things) |
| 02:29.18 | somiaj | this way all you have to do is compile into the kernel is the ability to read initramfs, you don't have to compile all the different filesystems, etc into the kernel and can use them as modules |
| 02:29.43 | somiaj | I use to not use an initramfs at all back when I built my own kernels, but I had to compile both the sata/ide and ext? modules into the kernel so the computer could access my rootfs |
| 02:30.04 | ryouma | after the initramfs is not being used, presumably it would make no sense to unlock root again right? if so then your hypothesis is the most likely i presume. |
| 02:30.29 | ryouma | ok |
| 02:30.32 | somiaj | no |
| 02:30.50 | somiaj | because it is already mounted and unlocked, it would be impossible otherwise |
| 02:31.18 | somiaj | it is somewhere in the initramfs somewhere that is duplicating this I belive |
| 02:31.28 | ryouma | ok |
| 02:31.59 | somiaj | do you happen to have two different lukes that just use the same password? |
| 02:32.14 | ryouma | just one more question then. there is a program called cryptdisks or something like that that reads crypttab, so it can unlock various partitions. root is in there. when is that line used? |
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| 02:34.43 | ryouma | i have a randomly generated binary key for each partition, stored in a file on root. each can be unlocked with a password, but i guess the only one that needs unlocking with a password is root, in initramfs. |
| 02:34.56 | ryouma | should one have a different password for each partition? |
| 02:34.58 | somiaj | in the initramfs |
| 02:36.10 | ryouma | (oh right there aws some file called cryptdisks or something that has the root partition uuid in it or so. but i was referring to whatever reads crypttab and that can only occur after root is unlocked.) |
| 02:37.57 | ryouma | s/some file/some file in the initramfs/ |
| 02:38.40 | ryouma | ok so initramfs has some program that reads crypttab. is the root line used for much then (as it is already unlocked) |
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| 02:39.53 | somiaj | I'm unsure of the minute details, but basically the initrams needs all tools/drives/modules to read the disk, unlock the encrypted data, read the lvm under it, and then mount the filesystem at /, once / is mounted it is usually safe to no longer need initramfs |
| 02:40.23 | somiaj | but I don't know where in this process (usually it is fairly early) that it tries to unlock your encyprted keys via a password. |
| 02:40.42 | somiaj | I would start by looking in /etc/ in the initramfs configuration, in the lukes configuration, and see if you just happen to have something duplicated |
| 02:40.57 | somiaj | I don't use encryption or lvm, so outside of theory, don't know much about this |
| 02:41.09 | somiaj | (I don't like to many layers between me and my data) |
| 02:42.32 | ryouma | thanks. agreed about layers. i do not use lvm precisely for that reason. |
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| 02:46.28 | ryouma | huh i have practically nothing in /etc/{cryptsetup-initramfs,initramfs-tools}. just config files commented out and the resume file. |
| 02:48.46 | ryouma | there is /usr/share/cryptsetup/initramfs/bin/cryptroot-unlock which i will look at |
| 02:49.43 | ryouma | oh, another thing is, the second password prompt is obscured by other output that is apparently async. |
| 02:52.43 | foul_owl | Does Debian officially support arm64 + rpi or is experimental? I would prefer to stick with Debian if possible |
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| 02:53.22 | somiaj | arm64 is an offical debian port, and is supported. |
| 02:53.52 | somiaj | Though due to pi's, non-free firmware to make work, specific hardware can sometimes require tweaks and here is where my knowledge is fairly low |
| 02:53.58 | sney | there are prebuilt rpi images (debian only officially distributes installers) on raspi.debian.net as well, and may work out of the box on your devices |
| 02:55.27 | somiaj | And unsure if it is possible to run the pi without some non-free firmware, and anything not in main is not offically supported (though doens't mean debian dosen't try to ensure it meets debian quality standards) |
| 02:55.56 | sney | usually it needs a boot blob as well as driver firmware for the nic(s), because broadcom |
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| 02:57.32 | sney | but if anything was going to eventually get reverse-engineered and not need those firmware files, it'd probably be some series of rpi, because they're everywhere and hacking is encouraged |
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| 03:25.25 | warsoul | was using chrome and for some reason system freeze and restart by itself |
| 03:25.30 | warsoul | how can i check what happen? |
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| 03:27.02 | somiaj | is your system heating up (chrome can take a lot of cpu ussage) and hardware will restart if it gets too hot? |
| 03:27.33 | somiaj | Bad memeory can also cause such a thing (though usually more a hard freeze than a reboot, usually when my machine would reboot underload, it was overheating. Blowing out dust, better airflow helps) |
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| 03:30.48 | warsoul | is super cold in the room |
| 03:30.56 | warsoul | and i have really good cooling in pc |
| 03:31.39 | somiaj | power supply going bad? There are various hardware issues that can cause a hard-reset. |
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| 03:34.38 | ryouma | in my experience electric power can stop momentarily and cause a reboot. which hypothesis can be more or less falsified by other devices acting normally. |
| 03:34.54 | ryouma | or by a ups |
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| 05:04.24 | willow | is there a bullseye install image that works with efi? |
| 05:05.40 | somiaj | they all do |
| 05:06.41 | willow | i try the netinst iso and am getting "no compatible bootloader found" in vmware with firmware type set to uefi and secure boot not enabled |
| 05:07.26 | somiaj | the netinstall image is hybrid and will boot either efi or legacy, either work. Unsure what vmware is doing, so can't directly help with vmware |
| 05:08.41 | willow | ok. yes i thought it was hybrid. i've created debian live images before that were hybrid |
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| 05:09.51 | somiaj | maybe a misconfiguration on the vmware end? Are you treating the image as a cdrom? |
| 05:10.31 | somiaj | the netinstall image should boot similar to the live images, so don't know what the issue could be |
| 05:13.37 | somiaj | A quick scan of known bugs didn't show any that match your situation. |
| 05:14.15 | willow | some issue with vmware. i just set to bios mode. not worth it |
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| 05:20.01 | willow | kvm/qemu works a lot better with efi boot |
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| 06:32.16 | Rodon | i am just getting this error ... something changed in debian ? ***W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/buster/updates/InRelease Connection failed [IP: 199.232.46.132 80] |
| 06:33.23 | Rodon | it sounds we are about to upgrade soon to bullseye ...!! ð |
| 06:34.49 | Rodon | "All packages are up to date." "W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.** |
| 06:35.03 | Rodon | dont know what exactly is this.. |
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| 06:39.59 | terr | Somiaj, I picked up the HP PROBOOK 4530s. Tech was GOOD. I've got W7 pro, W10 pro, and an empty partition for Debian. Sizes: W10 97.5GB, W7 99.9GB, LINUX 99.9GB (currently empty) also System Reserved 49.9GB (what is this for) |
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| 07:09.48 | foul_owl | somiaj: sney: thank you! |
| 07:10.08 | somiaj | terr: ##windows might be more appropriate, but it seems modern windows and some OEM version put a backup copy on the drive or recovery mode. Exactly what it is can vary and out of the scope of #debian |
| 07:11.00 | somiaj | Rodon: maybe some connection issue with that paticular secuirty mirror, I'd just try again. |
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| 07:12.33 | Rodon | ok.. |
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| 07:14.15 | Rodon | would this channel go to libera? |
| 07:14.48 | Rodon | i see lots of news about freenode becoming a sinking ship ! |
| 07:14.53 | somiaj | the offical debian irc network is irc.debian.org = irc.oftc.net, you can find all whole bunch of debian channels there. |
| 07:15.05 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/IRC |
| 07:15.13 | Rodon | thanks. |
| 07:15.32 | somiaj | I encourage users to use oftc for debian support (Though at the moment we have a single channel on libera and freenode) |
| 07:17.45 | foul_owl | Having a strange issue with lxc. I have it installed on a 32 bit arm debian 9 system, and I get normal output like "Destroyed container foo" |
| 07:18.05 | foul_owl | On a recent install of a 64 bit arm system with Debian 10, I get output like this |
| 07:18.08 | foul_owl | tools/lxc_destroy.c: main: 271 Destroyed container |
| 07:18.25 | somiaj | foul_owl: can't help with that, if you don't get a response here, sometimes more targeted support cahnnels for lxc can help |
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| 07:18.54 | foul_owl | I'm just wondering if some regression happened with the build of the lxc package from Debian 9 to 10 |
| 07:19.03 | somiaj | there is #debian-lxc on irc.oftc.net, but it appears to be more about lxc packaging than support for it. |
| 07:19.19 | somiaj | foul_owl: you could check the bugs if you think this is a bug vs a configuration issue |
| 07:19.30 | somiaj | known issues should be all recorded and public in the bts |
| 07:19.37 | foul_owl | Thank you! I will look |
| 07:20.42 | somiaj | I'm not getting any hits on that error in google |
| 07:21.01 | somiaj | what are you doing to get this message? you aren't running lxc-destory? |
| 07:21.28 | foul_owl | It's not even an error, it's just weird seeing the output formatting change from a "sane output" ie "Container destroyed" to an output that references it's own source code |
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| 07:21.54 | somiaj | oh I see, the actual output has changed not behavior. |
| 07:22.02 | foul_owl | Yes |
| 07:22.17 | terr | Somiaj, I am glad I didn't have to do this. I intend to run windows only if necessary |
| 07:22.21 | foul_owl | It seems like it was compiled in debug mode or something |
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| 07:23.50 | terr | My next step is getting a Debian install. I was well on my way and had to drop it a year ago. |
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| 07:23.58 | foul_owl | That package hasn't been flagged for anything on arm64 has it? That's all I was wondering |
| 07:24.02 | somiaj | foul_owl: maybe #debian-lxc could answer if there was a change or OFTC, though be paitent with that channel |
| 07:24.10 | foul_owl | Understood, thank you! |
| 07:24.25 | somiaj | It might just have been an upstream change, unknown, but I'm getting not hits or bug reports about it in the debian package in my quick search |
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| 07:29.56 | foul_owl | I'm sure lxc works just fine, it's just paranoia on my part |
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| 07:43.08 | terr | Somiaj, how do I turn this machine off? I press the power button and its blinking at me |
| 07:44.15 | somiaj | sometimes you have to hold the power button down for 5seconds or so for it to turn off if using the hardware |
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| 07:45.16 | EdePopede | to REALLY power it of it may be necessary to use the PSU switch. if available. |
| 07:46.51 | terr | Okay. Let me try 5 seconds |
| 07:47.15 | terr | PhD. Worked |
| 07:47.56 | terr | Nice machine. Says 500GB. BUT I only see 350? |
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| 07:48.42 | EdePopede | fdisk/gdisk vs df? |
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| 07:49.46 | somiaj | yea can depend on what you are looking at, first machines report GB as powers of 1000, but it should really be powers of 1024, (different uints) |
| 07:49.55 | terr | I will check this out when I get Debian installed. |
| 07:50.44 | somiaj | so you often see less due to the fact that compute byites using powers of 1024 for kilo,mega,giga,tera, do not match manufactures who do this in powers of 1000 |
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| 07:50.49 | somiaj | second, due to reserved space, overhead of file systems and the likes you end up taking up some space for that. ext4 will use 5% reserved by default, so there are various reasons why the size you see is not the stated value on the hardware |
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| 07:51.55 | EdePopede | mc running as root displays the whole free space. would be nice sometimes it would (optionally|additionally) ignore the 5%. |
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| 07:53.22 | EdePopede | i started switching to 1% btw with these insanely big disks of today. never had anny issues. for a 1TB partition that's 40GB what i save, half of the size of my sysdisk :D |
| 07:54.01 | somiaj | It really depends, if your disk starts to get full, that 5% can really help it keep from getting fraggmented |
| 07:54.09 | somiaj | if your disk never gets that full, it won't matter much anyways |
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| 07:54.39 | somiaj | though I do a similar thing, but my disks never really are that full, so I don't think it makes any difference in the end |
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| 07:55.18 | somiaj | but part of why ext? file systems don't get fraggemented is having those reserved blocks, this also helps you if you ever fill up your filesystem on accident. |
| 07:55.39 | somiaj | (also might depend on if you read/write lots of data to the disk or use it mostly as a unchanging collection of data) |
| 08:00.21 | terr | Well... Its a 150GB difference. I run external drives also. Just picked up another 1TB for CDN$40 bux |
| 08:00.57 | terr | My pron collection is very small. |
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| 08:03.54 | somiaj | You aren't tell us what is telling you this info |
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| 08:05.27 | terr | I just clicked on computer. First time I turned it on. The most important thing for me is USB 3.0 |
| 08:05.57 | EdePopede | "clicked on computer" sounds like windows |
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| 08:06.40 | EdePopede | yep, fast USB is nice. had a cheap IDE2USB adaptor which switched back to USB2 sometimes during copy sessions, meh |
| 08:07.10 | terr | So far. It will end up triple boot. |
| 08:07.30 | EdePopede | and on my old PC the USB2 also back to 1. not fun copying even a floppy disk with that speed :> |
| 08:07.32 | terr | Uggh |
| 08:08.08 | EdePopede | ended up with startup problems. had to pump the power button and keep it pressed for some time. |
| 08:08.29 | EdePopede | just like automobiles before the invention of ignition xD |
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| 08:10.11 | terr | HP says the PROBOOK 4530s has 4x USB 2.0. This one has 3x USB 2.0 + 1x USB 3.0... they must have done a special mod for one of their big clients. Any other ideas? |
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| 08:11.56 | PMT | https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebooks-Archive-Read-Only/What-about-USB-3-0-HP-ProBook-4530s-Do-this-product-actually/td-p/1229445 says that it used to be documented. |
| 08:12.31 | somiaj | of course we can't support windows here, but most windows installs from manufactures don't use all the space, they have a backup/recovery partiton, which is probably why the my computer only sees the avialble space and not the full drive size. |
| 08:17.27 | terr | Oh. Well I don't care about windows. I switched to Debian before 1998 and never looked back. Machine died and I was too swamped to deal with it so I picked up a couple $50 machines for email. Now I am getting back into hard core stuff |
| 08:18.57 | somiaj | you keep saying that, but you keep giving us info about windows, "I just clicked on computer" that is windows. |
| 08:20.15 | terr | Because I picked up the computer this afternoon and haven't installed anything in it. I just turned it on. I had to ask for help to turn it off |
| 08:20.41 | f00 | why not format it? |
| 08:20.54 | f00 | get rid of the any preinstalled bloatware |
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| 08:21.04 | f00 | make own partitions |
| 08:21.23 | somiaj | That's fine, but recall in order to understand why a windows install is only showing 350gb when it the hardware reporst 500gb, you need to understand what windows is doing, or get a tool that looks at the actual drive and not just one partiion. |
| 08:22.16 | terr | F00, because I likely will need it. |
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| 08:23.30 | terr | Somiaj, no. The bill and the sticker say 500GB. I think the bill and sticker are wrong. |
| 08:23.34 | f00 | in that case use this: https://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html |
| 08:23.46 | somiaj | terr: they are not |
| 08:23.59 | terr | No. Partitions are just fine. |
| 08:24.07 | f00 | 50GB recovery isnt fine |
| 08:24.21 | f00 | all it needs is a 500MB |
| 08:24.57 | somiaj | terr: but until you say get a disk manager and look at the full disk (not the C: partition) you can't see what the manufacture chose to do |
| 08:25.02 | terr | Well It doesn't matter because I have lots of space for Linux and external 1TB spare drives |
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| 08:25.38 | terr | I'll find that out soon |
| 08:26.04 | terr | I just need to know where is kaka is |
| 08:26.25 | f00 | what's the actual problem? |
| 08:27.31 | terr | F00. There is no problem. I'm just figuring out what this machine has installed. So far it looks great |
| 08:28.16 | f00 | if it's new, do yourself a f avor and format it and start fresh |
| 08:28.21 | EdePopede | terr: first thing i do is not to boot into the preinstalled windows, but into the bios. after reading the brochure. and check what options i have during boot. and the first OS boot ideally is a live system and not the preinstalled one ;) |
| 08:29.00 | EdePopede | using linux for such things already is better because it doesn't cheat at you. |
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| 08:31.43 | terr | I think first thing is prepare an external USB boot drive and don't even touch the internal drive. I need this to install Debian anyways |
| 08:32.07 | EdePopede | f00: depends on the manufacturer/seller really. when i bought this one i had them install my old XP and also SP3 which i didn't have yet for a few extra bucks. wanted to make me a C: of 150GB. when i said 50 is more than enough he looked at me as if i would have told him i want DOS5 installed. MCSE of course, just knew what he had learned in his courses. |
| 08:32.08 | f00 | sorry, but first thing you need to do is get rid of bloatware |
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| 08:33.16 | f00 | lol, yea my C is also 50. doesnt need more |
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| 08:33.39 | f00 | windows itself is bloatware. cant wait for a day i get rid of it completely |
| 08:33.41 | terr | 2:30 am. I am goingvto try for some sleep. Machine is turned off until tomorrow. |
| 08:33.59 | terr | .w calgary |
| 08:34.17 | EdePopede | it *may* be a good idea to be able to return to the initial state, depending on the state of the system now a full backup may be the way or shrinking the bloatware as much as possible if it's affordable. unless there's a reset ISO on a backup partition (the original XP PC came with such a thing). |
| 08:34.37 | EdePopede | wc, terr ;) |
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| 08:35.14 | terr | .wc calgary |
| 08:35.19 | EdePopede | not here ;) |
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| 08:35.54 | f00 | question: i know that debian is officially on oftc, however, are there any plans to migrate from freenode to libera? |
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| 08:36.38 | terr | I guess I can open the back door to see what the weather is like. It showed today. Apples are in bloom and it snowed. |
| 08:37.03 | EdePopede | f00: after using linux for some time i started implementing at least some of the directory structure on my DOS/WIN PC. kind of. C:\BIN in the path, start scripts for bigger programs, even got some order in WIN. i still don't understand why they produced such a horrible mess. |
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| 08:38.08 | EdePopede | 250 users are there already, and at least one op available (hopefully with a stable connection) |
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| 08:39.40 | EdePopede | -ChanServ- The #debian namespace is registered to the debian project |
| 08:40.09 | EdePopede | looks like at least libera doesn't get ignored |
| 08:41.09 | f00 | wonderful, final push is approaching. hopefully :) |
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| 08:57.40 | terr | EdePopede, what of irc.debian? |
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| 09:04.33 | EdePopede | that's oftc |
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| 10:51.34 | mirak | hi |
| 10:51.42 | mirak | does anyone understands how grub uefi works ? |
| 10:52.27 | niak | depends on the question |
| 10:53.06 | mirak | "efibootmgr -v" shows what *.efi image is booted |
| 10:53.59 | mirak | then it's unclear what exactly does the .efi image |
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| 10:54.17 | mirak | it's supposed to load grub.cfg |
| 10:54.23 | mirak | then run what is inside it |
| 10:55.34 | niak | efibootmgr just adds boot entries with the uefi firmware |
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| 10:55.44 | niak | grub is the actual bootloader |
| 10:55.50 | mirak | yes |
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| 10:56.26 | mirak | what I want is to have a main grub, that will chainload the other grubs |
| 10:56.40 | mirak | that's what I did easily with grub bios |
| 10:56.48 | niak | it's suppose add the entry to load the grub.efi file |
| 10:56.58 | niak | then you edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 10:57.16 | niak | most of the time the automated way is using grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 10:57.29 | mirak | when you are in /boot/grub/grub.cfg you are already in an installed OS |
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| 10:58.10 | niak | I am really not understanding your question |
| 10:58.40 | mirak | what I did with grub bios, was having a dedicated partition with a grub, and then I chainloaded grubs in /os1/boot/grub/core.img /os2/boot/grub/core.img |
| 10:59.18 | mirak | that way if default OS is trashed for some reason, I could still boot others |
| 10:59.53 | niak | usually the boot partition rest on its own partition anyway |
| 11:00.10 | mirak | what you suggest is having a master grub that can run kernel of other OS, but I want a master grub that can run other grubs of other OS |
| 11:00.29 | niak | you only should need one version of grub |
| 11:00.34 | niak | You're over complicating it. |
| 11:00.40 | mirak | no I do not |
| 11:00.44 | mirak | it makes things safer |
| 11:00.57 | mirak | it makes the OS independents |
| 11:01.02 | niak | grub lives on its own partition and usually doesn't get trashed |
| 11:01.37 | mirak | that's not what I want to do |
| 11:01.45 | mirak | I want to chainload grubs |
| 11:01.58 | niak | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/343632/uefi-chainloading-grub-from-grub |
| 11:02.06 | niak | this is probably what you want. |
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| 11:03.33 | mirak | great thanks |
| 11:03.34 | mirak | :p |
| 11:04.00 | mirak | didn't think of searching chainloading directly |
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| 11:05.10 | mirak | I didn't think it would be necessary, since uefi is supposed to offer you to choose what os to boot, but I fail to do it beside windows and linux, it seems the different linux os installed always default to the same one |
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| 11:06.04 | mirak | it's like the linux distributions didn't think of the multiboot install use case |
| 11:06.21 | mirak | with a choice in the uefi |
| 11:08.30 | mirak | niak, thanks, it's exactly that answer chainloader (hd0,gpt7)/path/to/bootloader/on/myOS/core.efi |
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| 11:10.14 | mirak | I am using "root=(lvm/hcpc-linux); multiboot /@fossa/boot/grub/i386-pc/core.img" on another grub bios install |
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| 11:27.14 | Hash | what for do you need to chainlaod another bootlaoder from grub alredy? |
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| 11:28.22 | Hash | Since grub to windows makes sense, to boot windows, but grub to load grub, can't you just put the same entries in the first grub? |
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| 11:28.34 | Hash | Thanks |
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| 11:33.01 | niak | that was my question but he insist |
| 11:33.06 | niak | I am not arguing |
| 11:33.10 | niak | or debating |
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| 11:50.47 | Paulo | Hi everyone. I am new to Ledger. I am running Ledger on Debian. I am trying to use the report command but I don´t know how to install the scrip. Can someone guide me? |
| 11:50.56 | Paulo | I am getting -bash: report: command not found |
| 11:51.03 | Paulo | Ledger documentation says to ¨install the ´report´ anywhere along your PATH¨ which I don´t know how to do |
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| 11:53.33 | niak | https://www.ledger-cli.org/ |
| 11:54.41 | Paulo | niak, I have looked at the Ledger documentation which says that I need to ¨install the ´report´ anywhere along your PATH¨ |
| 11:54.51 | Aebian | what could be the reason that apt complains like this: libc-dev-bin : Depends: libc6 (< 2.29) but 2.31-12 is to be installed (I'm on buster, stable release). Already tried apt clean. Should I just use the version flag to install a lower version? |
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| 11:55.11 | niak | it's talking about the .dat file |
| 11:55.16 | niak | i believe |
| 11:55.21 | niak | report isn't a ledger command |
| 11:56.09 | Paulo | ¨ The script to do this is included in the ledger distribution, and is named contrib/report. Install report anywhere along your PATH, and then use report instead of ledger when doing a register report.¨ |
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| 11:56.50 | Paulo | I was not able to locate contrib/report |
| 11:57.30 | Paulo | nor I was able to locate Ledger distribution directory in my system |
| 11:57.44 | niak | so where did you put the script then |
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| 12:00.47 | Paulo | niak, sorry I think I am missing something. I have not put the script anywhere because I don´t where to look for it in my system. I am assuming it should be somewhere because I have installed ledger |
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| 12:02.46 | niak | seems script needs to be in your path |
| 12:08.07 | Paulo | exactly, my question is how do I do that |
| 12:08.38 | niak | when they mean path I think it's whatever your $PATH is |
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| 12:08.57 | niak | you can either copy to one of your path directories or set the path to it |
| 12:09.21 | niak | for example my path is |
| 12:09.22 | niak | [dbrown@phoenix ~]$ echo $PATH |
| 12:09.31 | Paulo | where do I copy it from? I can´t locate it |
| 12:09.43 | niak | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/lib/jvm/default/bin:/usr/bin/site_perl:/usr/bin/vendor_perl:/usr/bin/core_perl |
| 12:10.07 | niak | ummm |
| 12:11.42 | niak | I don't know where report installs to |
| 12:12.42 | niak | did you install a package with this script? |
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| 12:28.28 | Paulo | niak, yes, I believe so. I´ve installed ledger |
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| 13:10.35 | neo4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKQi3bBA1y8 |
| 13:11.26 | neo4 | And I will end with a quote from Morpheus: âWhat is reality? How do you determine this? The whole spectrum of sensations: visual, tactile, olfactory - these are receptor signals, electrical impulses perceived by the brain. " |
| 13:11.50 | neo4 | so we are the artificial beings and unreal :) |
| 13:12.23 | neo4 | We are in the Matrix |
| 13:12.36 | neo4 | World is unreal |
| 13:13.12 | neo4 | we were created by the creator :) |
| 13:13.39 | neo4 | you have to choose the blue pill or the red one to understand |
| 13:14.13 | neo4 | I'm Neo, I'm here to enlighten you |
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| 13:18.51 | neo4 | Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself :) |
| 13:20.01 | Deknos | hey, i have serious problems with my firefox 78.10 on debian stable... i often do not reach youtube and get timeouts. any idea? a keyword for google would be also okay, i have no idea what's this problem |
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| 13:24.41 | Deknos | funnily, when i loaded youtube and open youtube with a new tab, i ALSO get timeouts. but in a VM with kubuntu for example i do not have this problem |
| 13:25.03 | Deknos | firefox ist from buster security |
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| 14:04.45 | Angs | Is there any reason why Debian mirror sites don't use https? as an example, would it cause any issue if it was using https for http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/ ? |
| 14:06.41 | PMT | I believe you want to have apt-transport-https to do that. |
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| 14:07.07 | PMT | Oh, my knowledge is old, that's a dummy package now, and you can just do it. :) |
| 14:09.17 | Angs | I would like to fetch some files from the repo without using apt (writing my own code). I was wondering what would be the best practice in terms of security to fetch content from a Debian mirror site. Both http and ftp are insecure and not encrypted. Is there a better way to do it? |
| 14:10.05 | PMT | Why would https not be a reasonable choice? |
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| 14:11.04 | Angs | when I look at the options on https://www.debian.org/mirror/list they are all based on http |
| 14:11.48 | Angs | I looked at Arc, their repos are the same (without "s"). There is probably a good reason, but I couldn't understand it. Does anyone know why? |
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| 14:15.47 | somiaj | Angs: partly historical, partly apt already has checksums and secuirty methods in it, party you won't gain much using https, partly due to the amount of debian mirrors, and being shared by volunteers, many of them haven't upgraded to https. |
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| 14:16.25 | somiaj | The biggest argument I hear for https is privacy, people can't see what packages you download, but anyone could just look at the size of the files you downloaded and figure out what packages they were |
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| 14:17.05 | somiaj | but as mentioned since buster, https now works by default with apt, the problem is if the mirror supports it or not |
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| 14:23.27 | Angs | sorry for my stupid question, but I can't find out where is the secure Debian mirror: they are all in http here https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 14:23.52 | Angs | when I do sudo apt update, I also see the apt uses bunch of http url |
| 14:25.05 | somiaj | I think you might just have to try, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change http to https |
| 14:28.11 | Angs | if I add https on http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ it doesn't work (ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID) and I think it will not work as the server doesn't have ssl set-up |
| 14:28.33 | somiaj | correct, many mirrors just don't support https. |
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| 14:29.02 | somiaj | You could try https://deb.debian.org (you should really be using that over ftp.us.debian.org anyways, and see if deb.debian.org is smart enough to only redirect you to mirrors that support it |
| 14:29.15 | somiaj | otherwise you will have to find an actual mirror (ftp.us.debian.org is just a round robbin of multiple mirrors) |
| 14:30.11 | zmotaj | Angs: I used this python script to get a list of all mirrors that support https: https://gist.github.com/eighthave/7285154 |
| 14:31.11 | zmotaj | then I ran the list through ping, measuring latency and picked one that's close to me. |
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| 14:33.53 | Angs | great work! Thanks. |
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| 14:37.36 | Angs | what would be the security issue if one uses unencrypted repo? Intuitively, I'd go for an encrypted version rather than a plain-text version, but I am not able to think what can go wrong to use a source without the encryption? Would data integrity be the only concern? |
| 14:37.41 | SubOptimal | Angs: For an HTTPS mirror you could try as described at https://cloudfront.debian.net/ |
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| 14:39.54 | Mazhive | hi guys i wander if some one can guide me to get bridge working on virtmanager i cant get virt manager to show the bridge in the network details of virt manager there fore it does not work i am having this issue a long time , cause i dont bother fixing it because i end up not using it but at sometime it worke all just worked. what i have done , used nm-editor settings to get a bridge0 to work i have a 4.19.0-16-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.181-1 , so it may |
| 14:39.54 | Mazhive | be a debian 10 issue or a virtmanager issue i dont know for sure. |
| 14:40.14 | Angs | Great thanks. |
| 14:40.28 | zmotaj | Angs: data integrity isn't really a problem, because apt already uses checksums etc |
| 14:40.36 | zmotaj | it's mostly a privacy thing |
| 14:41.18 | Angs | I see, thanks. |
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| 14:57.32 | f00 | https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse |
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| 15:17.44 | jelly | f00, there's no need to spam freenode/libera issues everywhere, even if it seems current staff is not following their own policies |
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| 15:31.08 | f00 | jelly: 3 unrelated channels isnt really spam, is it? anyway apologies, thought it might be of interest |
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| 15:38.03 | tigryss | Hi I installed the new kali version on my laptop but I can't connect my second display over HDMI-1-0 |
| 15:38.04 | tigryss | xrandr shows only edp-1 nut not the HDMI |
| 15:38.04 | tigryss | but if I check nvidia x server settings then I can see that the hdmi 1-0 appears in config but not in display settings |
| 15:38.04 | tigryss | https://paste.ofcode.org/4j2rqWbdBPTtm9FdGZXjvM |
| 15:38.47 | tigryss | can someone help me please? |
| 15:39.28 | PMT | what is "kali" in this context? |
| 15:39.50 | tigryss | kali linux |
| 15:41.44 | antto | !kali |
| 15:41.44 | dpkg | Kali Linux https://kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but is different enough that we don't provide support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html |
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| 15:43.18 | tigryss | on this part is the same and you know that 2... :D |
| 15:43.49 | antto | me? i know nothing about kali |
| 15:44.35 | tigryss | and about X11? |
| 15:44.51 | tigryss | or xfce? |
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| 15:44.56 | antto | not much.. |
| 15:45.09 | Deknos | didn't they even patch cryptsetup? though not x11, i think, but changed default behaviour for sure. |
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| 15:47.17 | tigryss | no clue from my side |
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| 15:50.23 | tigryss | so can someone help me on thi x11/lightdm/xfce problem? |
| 15:51.24 | unixbsd | sure |
| 15:53.20 | tigryss | thanks that would be great |
| 15:54.42 | unixbsd | you may describe the issue |
| 15:57.45 | tigryss | if I connect the hdmi xrand show only my edp-1 |
| 15:58.22 | tigryss | xrandr | grep 'connected'                                                                                  2 ⨯ |
| 15:58.23 | tigryss | eDP-1 connected primary 1920x1080+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 344mm x 193mm |
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| 16:00.30 | tigryss | so in display setting appears only 1 of the monitors so I can't activate the second |
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| 16:01.23 | unixbsd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:03.07 | antto | i don't use 2 monitors, and i kinda avoid nvidias |
| 16:03.18 | mirak | in debian with uefi and grub, there is a file EFI/debian/grub.cfg ? |
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| 16:03.34 | mirak | I don't have debian installed right now, so I am asking |
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| 16:06.01 | tigryss | unixbsd: https://termbin.com/ce3j |
| 16:06.02 | mirak | I wanted to know if the path of /boot/efi/EFI/debian/grub.cfg is hardcoded in /boot/efi/EFI/debian/grubx64.efi , like it is in Ubuntu |
| 16:06.58 | unixbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.16 | unixbsd | vfat. you need EFI/BOOT or alike to run |
| 16:07.40 | mirak | ? |
| 16:07.57 | mirak | I know that |
| 16:08.02 | unixbsd | tigryss: eDP-1 only |
| 16:08.09 | mirak | I want to multiboot, but have some problems |
| 16:08.12 | unixbsd | is your other monitor plugged? seems not seen |
| 16:08.51 | unixbsd | mirak: I made a new multiboot, study my source code, how that works: https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/linux-devuan-voip I use 3 partitions |
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| 16:10.42 | tigryss | unixbsd: thats my problem xrand seen only edp-1 |
| 16:11.01 | unixbsd | tigryss: i see only a single one., is your kernel old? |
| 16:11.33 | tigryss | Linux tigkalib 5.10.0-kali7-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.28-1kali1 (2021-04-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:12.29 | mirak | can anyone ban unixbsd ? |
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| 16:15.20 | tigryss | unixbsd: the HDMI is connectad and in the nvidia xdriver setting appears as HDMI-1- |
| 16:15.24 | tigryss | 0 |
| 16:17.50 | unixbsd | very good |
| 16:17.52 | tigryss | https://termbin.com/sylb |
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| 16:17.58 | unixbsd | HDMI-1- sounds good |
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| 16:18.10 | unixbsd | eDP is notebook and HDMI the hdmi one. you can use |
| 16:18.29 | unixbsd | xrandr and tell which one is on the left and other on the right |
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| 16:18.53 | unixbsd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:19.16 | tigryss | but I don't understand why xrandr cant seen the hdmi |
| 16:19.37 | unixbsd | if xrandr dont see, then the kernel is old |
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| 16:19.53 | unixbsd | it needs beter driver, like 5.x or higher linux kernel |
| 16:20.07 | tigryss | 5.10.0-kali7-amd64 |
| 16:20.15 | unixbsd | good one already |
| 16:20.17 | unixbsd | try dmesg |
| 16:20.31 | unixbsd | does dmesg tells something about screen edp and hdmi? |
| 16:20.42 | tigryss | https://termbin.com/sylb |
| 16:21.24 | unixbsd | oh man, messing with booting kernel ... ro quiet splash video=HDMI-A-1:e |
| 16:21.34 | unixbsd | ah, that sometimes from from video card driver |
| 16:21.53 | tigryss | should I remove? |
| 16:21.54 | unixbsd | anyhow it is usually kernel and video drivers |
| 16:22.11 | unixbsd | doese your two edp and hdmi work in ubuntu groovy or higher? |
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| 16:22.41 | unixbsd | usually ubuntu has more more modern softs, that helps sometimes. debian is bit outdated with versions. ... |
| 16:23.41 | tigryss | I use kali because I'm working as pentester, and I need the tools |
| 16:25.25 | tigryss | but as you see dmesg show thet the hdmi is connected |
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| 16:30.17 | unixbsd | tigryss: it depends if the video card driver does see it.. |
| 16:30.56 | tigryss | the question is which videocard |
| 16:31.17 | tigryss | https://paste.ofcode.org/4j2rqWbdBPTtm9FdGZXjvM |
| 16:31.24 | tigryss | there is 2 |
| 16:31.33 | tigryss | intel and nvidia |
| 16:31.38 | unixbsd | xrandr is pretty acturate |
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| 16:32.04 | unixbsd | if xrandr does not see, it comse from something else. xrandr shall tell hwmi and edp |
| 16:32.19 | unixbsd | I had taht on older kernel 3.x or 4.x tha my notebook hdmi wasnt seen. |
| 16:33.21 | tigryss | but here is a 5.x kernel :D |
| 16:33.41 | unixbsd | yeah bit strange |
| 16:33.58 | unixbsd | what about ubuntu live? |
| 16:34.06 | unixbsd | I guess I made a live at some day. |
| 16:35.15 | unixbsd | tigryss: try a live to check this kernel of groovy or this one https://openbsdtai123.guava.ircnow.org/ubuntu-live-memstick.html |
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| 16:40.11 | tigryss | but I need to solve this problem on my own system and not on ubuntu |
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| 16:41.15 | unixbsd | you would know then where it comes |
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| 16:48.16 | tigryss | that's strange the nvidia settings doesn't see edp-1 but hdmi and xrandr doesn't see hdmi but edp-1 |
| 16:48.31 | tigryss | wtf |
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| 17:18.45 | hramrach | hello, is there some packaging solution for #@$@#% software that uses frameworks like npm or cargo? |
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| 17:27.34 | sussudio | hramrach: there is a package npm. |
| 17:27.50 | sussudio | also, cargo. |
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| 17:30.13 | hramrach | but that does not solve packaging a piece of software that downloads 100 libraries using one of them during build |
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| 17:31.55 | hramrach | those libraries are not meant to be installed on the system, ever. Only downloaded at random from the internet without any verification whatsoever |
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| 18:20.11 | Abarrat | Hi, if a root user did chroot /mnt for whatever reason, as root, how can they get out of it. ischroot is showing "1" even after using exit |
| 18:21.00 | somiaj | Abarrat: why not just kill the shell that did that? |
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| 18:21.37 | somiaj | note from the manpage, "1 if currently not running in a chroot" |
| 18:21.46 | somiaj | so what makes you think you are still in the chroot? |
| 18:21.46 | Abarrat | oh |
| 18:22.09 | Abarrat | sorry, my mistake |
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| 18:23.12 | somiaj | usually exit 0; is considered sucessful, so makes sense that 0 = ischroot ran with sucess, and error codes if it didn't. |
| 18:23.43 | Abarrat | thanks somiaj |
| 18:23.47 | Abarrat | appreciate the help |
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| 18:40.31 | narutowaifu | is there an expected timeframe for the release of bullseye? |
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| 18:56.54 | somiaj | !wir |
| 18:56.54 | dpkg | well, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 18:57.33 | somiaj | narutowaifu: I know the above isn't that useful, but that is the time frame debian works on (kinda). The rumor mill thinks in the next month or two. There are still rc bugs left (follow those) and a few issues with the installer they are working on |
| 18:57.37 | somiaj | !rc bugs |
| 18:57.37 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=bullseye&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 19:00.16 | narutowaifu | ok thanks somiaj. Anyway I wasn't expecting any precise date, I was just curious since I knew it's expected to release this year |
| 19:01.05 | somiaj | I have heard June by a few people I trust, but as always, it can varry |
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| 19:02.05 | antto | there are bets here |
| 19:02.05 | somiaj | I know the release team is a bit more agressive since the one release in which the freeze was over a year. So once they installer gets to a good point and they want to push it out, they will start agressivally removing packages or ignoring rc-bugs if they deem the package should be in debian. |
| 19:02.33 | n4dir | perhaps i recall one release wrong, but i think since ~2005 something like release ~half a year after freeze happened all the time |
| 19:02.37 | somiaj | So my guess is in the next month or two they will get a bit more agressive about pushing out the release if matainers haven't made any progress on their rc bugs. |
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| 19:03.03 | somiaj | 6 month freeze seems fairly common the last two releases (note this includes starting at the transition freeze) |
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| 19:04.10 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBullseye -- June will be about 6 months from the Transition freeze, which I think is a rough point the release team has tried to target recentally |
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| 19:05.09 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster -- for comparision, buster transition freeze 01/2019, and release 07/2019, I suspect a simiar timeline |
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| 19:07.18 | huhuhu | I am looking for advice. I would like to write a program that recognizes the words I am speaking and, upon recognition, executes a command on the system. |
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| 19:10.09 | somiaj | huhuhu: Personally I would look for a speach to text program (I didn't find any in my quick search in debian so far), then most likely have a confirmation that prints out the command and asks are you sure you want to run this, then execute it in a shell |
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| 19:16.42 | huhuhu | I could compare two audio files and do something like that based on it. But how? After all, I have to recognize if the audio data is a word. When does it begin and when it ends. |
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| 19:18.46 | somiaj | hence best to find some software that already does this |
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| 19:19.53 | somiaj | https://github.com/alphacep/vosk-api/ -- I did run across this and you can feed it .wav files |
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| 19:20.39 | Piggy | feed me truffles. |
| 19:20.40 | huhuhu | somiaj, thank You :) I will check it |
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| 19:21.17 | somiaj | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/256138/is-there-any-decent-speech-recognition-software-for-linux -- scroll down, that is where I found that solution, it ahs a case study that shows it can recongize some things |
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| 19:53.32 | alexrelis[m] | Will Debian move away from freenode? |
| 19:54.15 | sney | alexrelis[m]: official debian channels have been on OFTC since 2006. |
| 19:54.40 | alexrelis[m] | sney: But isn't this chat on freenode? Is this really an unofficial chat? |
| 19:54.40 | sney | some unofficial #debian channels are maintained on other networks for user convenience, and there's one on libera now as well |
| 19:54.55 | sney | IMO it's unlikely that this channel will go away as long as people come here with questions |
| 19:54.56 | alexrelis[m] | OH! It's a mirror! |
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| 19:55.21 | sney | not really a mirror because there are no relay bots, but |
| 19:55.23 | sney | !fact sharing |
| 19:55.23 | dpkg | I show the same facts on both <freenode> and <OFTC>. If you update a fact on one network, it will show up on the other network. |
| 19:56.23 | sney | freenode #debian is not *strictly* official, but pre-2006 it was the official one, and it's just a legacy thing really |
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| 19:57.27 | alexrelis[m] | Mind. Friggin. Blown. 𤯠|
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| 20:16.40 | velix | Does `apt-key add` really need gnupg and its huge dependencies to add a new key? |
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| 20:22.40 | velix | Has this channel moved already or is it just silent? |
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| 20:23.46 | Arrowmaster | this isnt an official channel, debian is officially on oftc not freenode |
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| 20:24.07 | sney | quiet because it's the weekend, natch |
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| 20:25.27 | sney | velix: apt-key is deprecated, put your new keys in /etc/trusted.gpg.d (but yes it's a gpg tool) |
| 20:25.40 | sney | er, /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d |
| 20:25.54 | velix | Sorry, ZNC crashed after update. |
| 20:26.12 | velix | sney: "gpg.d" sounds like it *needs* gpg ;) |
| 20:29.10 | velix | sney: could you please repeat what you said before "er" ? |
| 20:29.40 | sney | apt uses gpgv for the minimal signature verification it does, it doesn't need all of "gnupg and its huge dependencies" for its own internal mojo. |
| 20:30.07 | sney | velix: I said apt-key is deprecated and new keys should go in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d. this is also in the apt-key man page. |
| 20:30.27 | velix | sney: thanks |
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| 20:31.18 | velix | sney: https://www.linuxuprising.com/2021/01/apt-key-is-deprecated-how-to-add.html |
| 20:31.37 | velix | `apt-key will last be available in Debian 11` :-) |
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| 20:32.03 | velix | isn't Debian 11 LTS? So it will be here for a looong tim |
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| 20:32.04 | velix | time* |
| 20:32.09 | sney | velix: yes, debian doesn't delete deprecated things right away. you should still get used to doing things the new way. |
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| 20:32.40 | velix | yep, I've just changed my howtos. |
| 20:33.31 | sney | velix: also, you asked if this channel has moved - official debian channels have been on OFTC since 2006. imo it's unlikely that freenode #debian will go away as long as the server is up and people come here with questions, but it's not strictly official either |
| 20:33.58 | sney | apparently there is also a #debian on libera, and other networks as well |
| 20:34.13 | velix | sney: Okay. Since many channels are about to move to Libera. |
| 20:36.05 | sney | as you noticed with apt-key, debian does not make big changes quickly ;) |
| 20:36.29 | jhutchins | The new network is not ready for prime time yet. Nobody's answering help messages on #libera |
| 20:36.50 | PMT | I believe they said something about dealing with a DDoS, so they may be busy. |
| 20:37.00 | velix | sney: Hmm... The apt-key stuff doesn't seem to be so easy, according to the website i've just posted. |
| 20:37.17 | EdePopede | maybe staff have collapsed all at the same time ;) |
| 20:37.31 | sney | velix: what's not easy about downloading an .asc signature and sticking it in a specific location on your disk? |
| 20:37.57 | velix | sney: because there seems to be ascii-armored files, which can be ".gpg, .asc, .key, and probably others" |
| 20:38.02 | sney | ah, I see that website thinks you need to dearmor it |
| 20:38.24 | somiaj | though the bullseye relasenotes say it will be removed by bookworm, and the biggest thing they need to provide is apt-key list funcationliaty |
| 20:38.51 | sney | as you can see in the apt-key man page describing the change, .gpg and .asc files are both fine. you can just download the file and stick it in that dir and it will generally work. I haven't found one yet that doesn't. |
| 20:39.17 | velix | sney: My man page doesn't say this, but let me look up the latest one :D |
| 20:40.03 | sney | buster and bullseye both have this note under the 'add' command in apt-key's man page: |
| 20:40.04 | sney | Note: Instead of using this command a keyring should be placed directly in the /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ directory with a descriptive name and either "gpg" or "asc" as file extension. |
| 20:40.51 | sney | I think some of these online howtos overcomplicate things for SEO reasons, like they need a minimum word count to be searchable |
| 20:41.11 | somiaj | !debian irc |
| 20:41.12 | dpkg | The offical Debian IRC network is OFTC (irc.debian.org or irc.oftc.net). Please join OFTC to connect with debian support and development communities. See https://wiki.debian.org/IRC for a list of channels. See also <oftc>, <oftc move>, <libera>, and <freenode>. |
| 20:41.34 | somiaj | For those interested, I would suggest using OFTC for debian support due to the wide variety of channels it has beyond just #debian |
| 20:41.42 | tater | !debian libera |
| 20:42.04 | somiaj | We have a #debian on libera, and will set it up to for fact sharing |
| 20:42.06 | somiaj | !fact sharing |
| 20:42.06 | dpkg | I show the same facts on both <freenode> and <OFTC>. If you update a fact on one network, it will show up on the other network. |
| 20:42.15 | somiaj | hmm, I should update that to include Libera |
| 20:42.34 | sney | I was going to add it yesterday but wasn't sure what the plan was for bots |
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| 20:43.13 | somiaj | still a work in progress. Just due to so many networks, OFTC is where prefered support should be, but we'll try to manage channels on networks in which there is a demand. |
| 20:43.15 | velix | sney: Thanks, I've updated my notes again :) |
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| 20:43.32 | sney | velix: np |
| 20:43.49 | somiaj | As we do understand that not all users will want to join different networks just for debian support. |
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| 20:50.00 | velix | sney: works fine! `curl -kLR "https://packages.sury.org/php/apt.gpg" -o /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/apt-sury.gpg` |
| 20:50.36 | ryouma | somiaj: fwiw /usr/share/cryptsetup/initramfs/bin/cryptroot-unlock has nothing obviously duplicated. is there a place where i might find this file as it is typically installed by installer? perhaps it is some 1-char fie corruption or something. |
| 20:51.00 | somiaj | ryouma: yea unsure, I don't deal with crypt enough to understand why initramfs is needing to ask for your password twice. |
| 20:51.55 | ryouma | also wondering the reason for this question? ohhhhhhhhh you are saying possibly one is for root and another is for another drive? the prompt names the drive. --- 19:31 <somiaj> do you happen to have two different lukes that just use the same password? |
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| 20:52.56 | somiaj | yea, I was wondering if maybe you have (since you don't use lvm) two encrypted partition, I was thinking maybe / and /home, but something along those lines |
| 20:53.05 | ryouma | it would be interesting in any case to find a typical debian stretch (luks-using but non-lvm-using if that matters) initramfs that i can compare to mine |
| 20:53.32 | ryouma | good idea. i think not the case here. |
| 20:53.45 | ryouma | will confirm though |
| 20:53.55 | somiaj | I went with lukes/lvm on my laptop just to test it out, but the debian installer made everything so seamless, I really don't know how it works, I just have to type a single password in each time I boot |
| 20:54.49 | ryouma | i also assume initramfs will read crypttab and thus read thekey file for home. ohhhhhhhhh btw, sometimes, intermittently, home does not get mounted. |
| 20:54.52 | somiaj | Might want to reask your question, others may actually know better where to look. |
| 20:54.54 | ryouma | so there is som aync issue |
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| 20:55.05 | somiaj | ryouma: so your / and /home are different partitions? |
| 20:55.09 | ryouma | yes |
| 20:55.21 | somiaj | and each of them are encyprted indvudially? |
| 20:55.27 | ryouma | yes |
| 20:55.55 | ryouma | and key files for them are on / |
| 20:55.57 | somiaj | that could explain needing two passwords, maybe it doens't use a single password to unlock the keys for both partitions at once, and something changed to require this |
| 20:56.32 | somiaj | though here my knowledge of how this all works is very limited, but that could possibly be why initramfs is asking for two passwords, one to unlock / and another to unlock /home (despite the same password should unlock both keys) |
| 20:56.50 | ryouma | but, to me at least, it should read crypttab and fstab. and it should unlock home after /. and reading crypttab will locate the key file in /. |
| 20:57.23 | somiaj | here my knowledge is not enough to say why this is happening of anything special needs to be done so it unlocks both keyfiles with the same password. |
| 20:58.08 | ryouma | unlocking is actually always done with a key. the password is to unlock the key that is in the luks header. but i also have that key on / so that no password is necessary. |
| 20:58.53 | somiaj | well I think your setup has something to do with this, and maybe someone who actually knows the details can help you figure out why a single entery of the password won't give you access to both keys |
| 20:58.55 | ryouma | and cli experiments such as cryptsetup luksopen on stuff confirm this. i will double check that the requests are both for / next time i boot though. |
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| 21:01.30 | ryouma | yes it i in principle plssible hat when home is not mounted, it is because the second passwrod is not entered correctly. and i didn't check to see that it was --- actually no, it would ask for the password again in such a case. so idk. |
| 21:04.41 | ryouma | (anyway for anybody curious who is listening, i have these issues 1 i get asked for password twice upon boot 2 other boot messages are printed after the second prompt i.e. async 3 home is sometimes not mounted. i have keys on /, and cryptsetup is set up to point to those keys, thus no password should be necessary for anything except boot. i have boot plaintext. everything else luks.) |
| 21:06.32 | ryouma | also in general i'd be interested in a pointer to something tha would be similar to a just-installed initramfs that has luks but no lvm for amd64. |
| 21:07.26 | jhutchins | ryouma: What I would suggest is a default install, possibly bypassing lvm, and learning how linux works before adding complicating layers. |
| 21:07.59 | jhutchins | ryouma: Use a simple single partition + swap, and learn what's there before you start customising. |
| 21:09.13 | ryouma | i didn't customize anything other than through the installer |
| 21:09.29 | ryouma | i.e. making the choices it presented to me |
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| 21:11.39 | ryouma | well, i pointed to the keys files in crypttab, but tested that, since years ago, many times |
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| 21:19.50 | lenswipe | hey folks. quick question |
| 21:20.11 | lenswipe | i have a device plugged into a USB 3.0 port. I want to check if the device itself is USB3.0 |
| 21:21.34 | PMT | If it were me, I'd ask lsusb -t. |
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| 21:23.08 | jhutchins | Or look at dmesg when you plug it in. |
| 21:23.22 | lenswipe | PMT, perfect, thanks! |
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| 21:24.44 | lenswipe | jhutchins, actually...im looking at at dmesg right now |
| 21:24.54 | lenswipe | what am i looking for? |
| 21:24.58 | lenswipe | im not seeing anything about usb version |
| 21:25.13 | jhutchins | usb device connected or something like that. |
| 21:25.23 | lenswipe | oh, there's a bunch of stuff in there from the device |
| 21:25.31 | lenswipe | just nothing that i can immediately see as being related to usb version |
| 21:25.50 | PMT | One such line that I can get that information from in my log is "usb 3-2: new SuperSpeed Gen 1 USB device number 2 using xhci_hcd" |
| 21:26.32 | PMT | (I believe; as I previously stated, I do this another way. ;)) |
| 21:27.01 | lenswipe | PMT, i looked at lsusb -t and it gave me a bunch of interesting info, but nothing much about USB version that i could see |
| 21:27.25 | PMT | lenswipe: for me, the last entry in the line looks like: |__ Port 2: Dev 2, If 0, Class=Hub, Driver=hub/4p, 480M |
| 21:27.39 | lenswipe | |__ Port 2: Dev 3, If 2, Class=Human Interface Device, Driver=usbhid, 480M |
| 21:27.39 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.45 | lenswipe | |__ Port 2: Dev 3, If 2, Class=Human Interface Device, Driver=usbhid, 480M |
| 21:27.57 | lenswipe | https://termbin.com/u465 <--- that's what i meant to paste |
| 21:28.11 | PMT | yes, and there it is, the last column in the output. |
| 21:28.59 | lenswipe | right, but none of those mean much to me |
| 21:29.07 | PMT | what is the speed of USB 2? |
| 21:29.11 | lenswipe | no idea |
| 21:29.21 | lenswipe | according to google 480M |
| 21:29.23 | somiaj | I don't think dmesg clearly states usb2/3 but it does state the module that is used, and I belive that is a sign of usb2/3 |
| 21:29.26 | lenswipe | so, i guess that means it's a USB2 device? |
| 21:29.34 | PMT | somiaj: not any more, unfortunately |
| 21:29.42 | lenswipe | bugger. |
| 21:29.44 | somiaj | PMT: hmm, must have been a while since I've last cared to do this |
| 21:29.52 | PMT | somiaj: consider: kernel: usb 2-4.1: new low-speed USB device number 5 using xhci_hcd |
| 21:30.12 | somiaj | ahh so the xhci module now supports both usb2 and 3? |
| 21:30.22 | jhutchins | Who put that S key there.the line before that may something like "low speed usb device connected" |
| 21:30.24 | somiaj | or maybe I'm just getting old it was the usb1/2 switch this mattered |
| 21:30.27 | lenswipe | Well...this is kind of an XY problem |
| 21:30.39 | lenswipe | I'm trying to find out the USB speed because I want to stream video from a USB 2 camera. |
| 21:30.41 | PMT | I want to say it always did but old devices used to swap which controller things connected to? I could be wrong. |
| 21:31.04 | lenswipe | I'm trying to stream rawvideo because I'm doing this on a pi and the act of transcoding drops the framerate to the point of it being unusable. |
| 21:31.13 | PMT | Because I definitely also remember seeing {e,o,x}hci as an indicator. |
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| 21:33.13 | PMT | lenswipe: so why were you checking the USB speed, in this case? |
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| 21:35.42 | velix | Oh, seems like PostgreSQL is leaving Freenode? |
| 21:36.00 | jelly | velix, well who isn't |
| 21:36.22 | PMT | The current staff, probably. |
| 21:36.30 | jelly | they just came in |
| 21:36.44 | PMT | And so are unlikely to leave. |
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| 22:47.15 | mirak | why don't just copy /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/core.efi to /EFI/ubuntu/core.efi then tel efibootmgr to add it as an entry in the uefi ? |
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