| 00:07.47 | arcady | so has anyone tried 2.6.0-ben1 on an ibook or similar? and does sleep work? |
| 00:09.56 | Curalton | yes it does, and it even goes to sleep faster |
| 00:10.04 | arcady | oh, great |
| 00:10.49 | Curalton | but get the patch via rsync -avz --delete source.mvista.com::linuxppc-2.5-benh <linux-2.6-dir> |
| 00:11.09 | Curalton | i don't think the plain 2.6 works that well |
| 00:11.37 | arcady | more like not at all |
| 00:11.57 | arcady | anyway, I will reboot and see for myself |
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| 00:16.05 | arcady | so it does work |
| 00:16.20 | Curalton | plain? also sleep? |
| 00:16.31 | arcady | no, plain is known to not work |
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| 00:16.36 | arcady | ben1 does work |
| 00:18.09 | arcady | and it prints out the status messages to an unused tty |
| 00:18.27 | Curalton | yes indeed |
| 00:19.16 | arcady | I didn't really want to end my 8 day uptime to find all this out |
| 00:19.44 | arcady | but I rather have to, since I'm going to be travelling with the ibook tomorrow anyway |
| 00:19.57 | Curalton | lol :) |
| 00:20.15 | Curalton | just getting benh2 which is out for 16 hrs now |
| 00:20.20 | Curalton | no, compiling it already |
| 00:21.12 | arcady | hopefully all of this will get merged into mainline soon |
| 00:23.03 | arcady | interestingly enough not only does GL work again, it's even faster now |
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| 00:59.20 | TheBonsai | doh! |
| 00:59.44 | TheBonsai | now i got the kernel make not to bring compiler errors... |
| 01:00.37 | TheBonsai | i get a "no rule to make target" doh! |
| 01:07.26 | {xmb} | might it be your system fucking with the kernel compilation? |
| 01:07.38 | {xmb} | i can try to compile whatever kernel u have on my imac, just need the .config |
| 01:08.19 | simonrvn | 2.6.0-ben1 |
| 01:08.26 | simonrvn | Linux nuit.ca 2.6.0-ben1 #2 Mon Dec 22 22:35:27 UTC 2003 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 01:08.59 | TheBonsai | {xmb}: still trying to cross compile for an ibm ppc403gcx oak board |
| 01:09.11 | {xmb} | ah |
| 01:11.06 | TheBonsai | eval $(echo -en "\145\143\150\157\040\047\115\145\162\162\171\040\130\115\141\163\041\n\047") xmb, btw |
| 01:11.36 | {xmb} | hehe |
| 01:12.41 | {xmb} | marry xmas too :) |
| 01:12.50 | TheBonsai | ;) |
| 01:13.17 | TheBonsai | seems there is the oak.c file missing |
| 01:13.34 | TheBonsai | {xmb}: do you have an oak.c unter arch/ tree? |
| 01:13.41 | TheBonsai | under even |
| 01:13.42 | TheBonsai | :) |
| 01:14.29 | {xmb} | imac's HD is too small to store kernel sources on it |
| 01:15.08 | TheBonsai | ic :) |
| 01:16.27 | dloer | merry xmas all :-) |
| 01:17.14 | {xmb} | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.57 | TheBonsai | {xmb}: yeah, that's for oak's scsi hardware :) |
| 01:19.10 | TheBonsai | i need the file for the oak platform |
| 01:19.14 | {xmb} | heh |
| 01:19.39 | TheBonsai | perhaps this netstation is compatible to the scsi host adapter lol |
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| 01:25.21 | robertj_ | hey all, does anyone here have any experience with sbp2 on ppc? |
| 01:26.42 | arcady | I tried it some time ago, but it didn't really work |
| 01:27.20 | robertj_ | I've got a via ohci-compliant pci card and have a device plugged in but seem to be getting general weirdness |
| 01:27.36 | robertj_ | ieee1394: sbp2: Error logging into SBP-2 device - login timed-out |
| 01:29.06 | arcady | I really have no idea |
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| 01:30.56 | Q-FUNK | hopefuly that wasn't a long paste you did there, robertj_ ? |
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| 01:32.27 | robertj_ | long paste, nope |
| 01:32.35 | robertj_ | that's the only error I get really |
| 01:32.46 | robertj_ | ieee1394: unsolicited response packet received - np |
| 01:32.46 | robertj_ | ieee1394: contents: ffc11960 ffc00000 00000000 04045830 |
| 01:32.48 | robertj_ | I get that after a while |
| 01:38.03 | arcady | what version kernel are you using? |
| 01:38.04 | Q-FUNK | ok, doesn't sound familiar. i recall that some ieee1394 were reported though, so maybe it's one of those known bugs |
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| 03:12.33 | local_X | are there any howto's out there on partitioning for ppc? |
| 03:13.59 | simonrvn | yes |
| 03:14.19 | simonrvn | go to www.penguinppc.org, and click on projects |
| 03:15.56 | local_X | okay, ty |
| 03:16.49 | simonrvn | np |
| 03:21.33 | simonrvn | local_X: btw, look for mac-fdisk tutorial or some such |
| 03:21.50 | local_X | simonrvn: yea i got that much :) |
| 03:21.56 | simonrvn | ok |
| 03:31.17 | local_X | under mac-fdisk, i just use the "i" command, (i want macos gone) |
| 03:31.29 | local_X | then make partitions like any other linux system? |
| 03:32.17 | simonrvn | poretty much yeh |
| 03:32.19 | simonrvn | -o |
| 03:32.47 | local_X | oo, and i have to make the apple bootstrap partition with "b" for yaboot... |
| 03:32.55 | simonrvn | yup |
| 03:33.39 | simonrvn | and if ever you get your hand on an oldworld ppc mac, do that anyway (the 'b') since yaboot2 will support some of those |
| 03:34.25 | local_X | okay. im doing it on an imac now |
| 03:38.15 | local_X | :( what's my first block? |
| 03:38.54 | simonrvn | do XXp, it's easier. e.g., 3p |
| 03:39.12 | local_X | okay |
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| 04:01.23 | CygnusElf | Hello, does anyone know how to get the motorized PCMCIA eject button on a Wallstreet Powerbook to work on Debian Unstable? |
| 04:02.22 | simonrvn | try with ikeyd or pbbuttonsd or something |
| 04:03.19 | CygnusElf | pbbuttonsd had nothing about the pcmcia button, will look at ikeyd. |
| 04:04.15 | CygnusElf | Neither does ikeyd. |
| 04:04.54 | CygnusElf | There is a patch for the standalone pcmcia modules for 3.1.22, but when I try using the standalong modules in pcmcia-source, I get kernel panics. |
| 04:05.27 | simonrvn | try the kernel.org stuff (if they have any) |
| 04:06.10 | CygnusElf | I'll look, thanks. |
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| 13:13.11 | jc-denton | question |
| 13:13.28 | jc-denton | netstat show me that pmud is listening on 879 |
| 13:13.43 | jc-denton | does it accept connections from outside by default? |
| 13:21.44 | jc-denton | ah man is helpful :P |
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| 15:30.33 | TheBonsai | damn |
| 15:31.11 | TheBonsai | just found a mail on mvista's pipermail, someone says, these oak related files are only here, cause he had't time to purge them :( |
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| 15:57.52 | simonrvn | oh crap |
| 15:58.05 | simonrvn | @comfort TheBonsai |
| 15:58.07 | ravenbird | There, there, TheBonsai. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 16:17.29 | TheBonsai | heh |
| 16:17.31 | TheBonsai | :) |
| 16:17.56 | TheBonsai | well, 2 options: 1) take a revolver, 2) wait for a netBSD port |
| 16:18.01 | TheBonsai | i prefer 2 |
| 16:18.10 | TheBonsai | more healthy for me |
| 16:18.10 | simonrvn | much saner imo |
| 16:18.15 | simonrvn | :) |
| 16:19.05 | simonrvn | debian/*bsd i hear is starting to make progess again. nice to hear, i'd like to try it out sometime. |
| 16:20.33 | TheBonsai | NetBSD sounds interesting in general, perhaps i'll rape an old pentium for that |
| 16:22.24 | simonrvn | can't remember which port is making progress, the net or free bsd.. |
| 17:15.40 | {xmb} | mooorning |
| 17:16.07 | simonrvn | hi |
| 17:20.48 | TheBonsai | uh |
| 17:20.49 | TheBonsai | new hope |
| 17:20.57 | simonrvn | good |
| 17:21.05 | TheBonsai | this thing is hardware identical with ncd explora 450/451 |
| 17:21.18 | simonrvn | O_O. never heard of that |
| 17:21.59 | simonrvn | is it like a ppc sub-arch or something? who makes them? |
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| 17:23.00 | spacecowboy | MERRY X-MAS ;) |
| 17:23.05 | simonrvn | hi |
| 17:23.08 | spacecowboy | simonrvn hey dude |
| 17:23.10 | spacecowboy | how are you |
| 17:23.14 | simonrvn | ok. you? |
| 17:23.15 | spacecowboy | question... |
| 17:23.19 | spacecowboy | i'm doing well |
| 17:23.22 | simonrvn | oh no :P |
| 17:23.25 | spacecowboy | lol |
| 17:23.26 | spacecowboy | well |
| 17:23.33 | spacecowboy | i just got a plextor dvd-rw |
| 17:23.35 | simonrvn | the 'question...'. j/k BTW |
| 17:23.42 | spacecowboy | yea its chill |
| 17:23.44 | simonrvn | ok |
| 17:23.44 | spacecowboy | ;) |
| 17:23.52 | spacecowboy | and.... i figured it wouldn't work with linux |
| 17:23.53 | spacecowboy | but |
| 17:23.59 | spacecowboy | i thought i would ask |
| 17:24.08 | spacecowboy | ieee1394 |
| 17:24.19 | spacecowboy | simonrvn what kernel version are you on now btw :p |
| 17:24.21 | simonrvn | i hear they do. fw? yeh i don't see why not |
| 17:24.27 | simonrvn | Linux nuit.ca 2.6.0-ben1 #2 Mon Dec 22 22:35:27 UTC 2003 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 17:24.42 | spacecowboy | is the cursor and underscore? |
| 17:24.49 | spacecowboy | so its not just me ;p |
| 17:24.51 | spacecowboy | lol |
| 17:24.55 | simonrvn | yup |
| 17:24.57 | spacecowboy | hmmm so with the fw |
| 17:24.59 | spacecowboy | the thing is |
| 17:25.01 | simonrvn | it is an underscore |
| 17:25.04 | spacecowboy | i have all of the modules |
| 17:25.07 | spacecowboy | ieee1394 |
| 17:25.10 | spacecowboy | ohci1394 |
| 17:25.16 | spacecowboy | i figured i should put sbp2 |
| 17:25.21 | spacecowboy | but thats for hd's |
| 17:25.23 | simonrvn | try mounting it as a scsi device |
| 17:25.41 | simonrvn | no, try sbp2 anyway. dunno if it'll work, but it might |
| 17:25.52 | spacecowboy | yea i put it on as well |
| 17:25.53 | simonrvn | it is a fw device after all |
| 17:26.01 | spacecowboy | can you join flood |
| 17:26.08 | simonrvn | there already |
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| 17:26.57 | simonrvn | woops :) |
| 17:27.10 | simonrvn | you need to get your client to throttle the output |
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| 17:29.02 | simonrvn | re |
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| 17:37.44 | spacecowboy | simonrvn well.. yea |
| 17:37.52 | spacecowboy | simonrvn it seems it must be a particular fs |
| 17:38.05 | spacecowboy | because hfs with itunes it kind of weird |
| 17:38.18 | simonrvn | afaik, it's supposed to hfs. at least when it gets to you from the shop. some folks put other FSes on it |
| 17:38.53 | simonrvn | like JimButton put FAT on his |
| 17:39.03 | spacecowboy | well yea |
| 17:39.08 | spacecowboy | but the thing is... |
| 17:39.10 | spacecowboy | i can mount my ipod |
| 17:39.13 | spacecowboy | and stuff |
| 17:39.26 | spacecowboy | cept the only problem is its sorted differently than gtkpod works with |
| 17:39.30 | simonrvn | i'd backup the stuff on it, and then do the changes to it you want. |
| 17:39.36 | spacecowboy | i think i need to put hfs |
| 17:39.47 | simonrvn | yeh that's why JimButton reformatted his, some gtkpod would work with it |
| 17:39.55 | simonrvn | s/some/so/ |
| 17:40.03 | spacecowboy | hrm... |
| 17:40.13 | simonrvn | thte's a howto |
| 17:40.18 | simonrvn | there* |
| 17:40.18 | spacecowboy | really? |
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| 17:40.25 | spacecowboy | where? |
| 17:40.25 | simonrvn | that's what he said |
| 17:40.35 | simonrvn | try the project homepage |
| 17:41.19 | simonrvn | nusse: had any progress with your machine ? |
| 17:42.24 | spacecowboy | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 17:46.01 | nusse | simonrvn: no, i didnt tried anything since yesterday |
| 17:46.12 | simonrvn | *nods* ok |
| 17:46.56 | nusse | another idea would be booting the kernel from a bootdisk, but the installers says it doesnt know how to create a boot disk, and i do not know it too. |
| 17:47.24 | nusse | wenn i try to set the root device for the kernel on the hfs-bootfloppy the kernel wont boot anymore |
| 17:48.09 | nusse | hm, why wont the freenode ircd resolv my leet hostname? |
| 17:49.27 | simonrvn | hmm, do you have it installed at all? cuz then you could chroot to your install, and then dd a boot floppy |
| 17:49.44 | simonrvn | (and fix your boot-device and the drive maybe) |
| 17:51.42 | nusse | how do i create a hfs boot floppy? |
| 17:52.15 | nusse | i cant boot the normal rescue disk... |
| 17:52.17 | simonrvn | ok, so we need to figure out what your options are. |
| 17:52.21 | simonrvn | how come? |
| 17:52.43 | nusse | dunno, i can boot only boot-floppy-hfs.img |
| 17:52.53 | simonrvn | yes that'S part 1 |
| 17:53.05 | nusse | im not able to boot rescue.bin |
| 17:53.13 | simonrvn | no, you insert root.bin |
| 17:54.14 | nusse | usually on my x86 machines, i booted rescue.bin and then inserted root.bin. on the powermac i boot boot-floppy-hfs.img and insert then root.bin |
| 17:54.36 | simonrvn | yes |
| 17:54.54 | spacecowboy | simonrvn so in order to get this to work with gtkpod i have to convert it over? |
| 17:54.59 | simonrvn | you don't boot rescue.bin. it's boot-floppy-hfs, then root.bin |
| 17:55.10 | nusse | yes |
| 17:55.14 | simonrvn | spacecowboy: AFAIK. go read the howto |
| 17:55.17 | nusse | (i think i understand something wrong) |
| 17:55.25 | simonrvn | @+ig |
| 17:55.25 | ravenbird | i guess install guide is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ or http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst or if you're totally clueless read http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016&page=1 too |
| 17:55.28 | spacecowboy | simonrvn: there isn't really one :) |
| 17:55.32 | simonrvn | oh |
| 17:55.35 | spacecowboy | simonrvn: but i'll hunt :) |
| 17:55.38 | simonrvn | google for it then? |
| 17:55.40 | simonrvn | :) |
| 17:55.46 | spacecowboy | yep |
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| 18:04.12 | spacecowboy | simonrvn ok... |
| 18:04.15 | spacecowboy | ive figure something |
| 18:04.21 | simonrvn | ok |
| 18:04.26 | spacecowboy | -thfsplus should be hfs+ yea? |
| 18:04.29 | spacecowboy | for mounting? |
| 18:04.34 | simonrvn | yup |
| 18:04.37 | simonrvn | -t hfsplus |
| 18:04.41 | spacecowboy | how do i build it? |
| 18:04.44 | spacecowboy | make that work |
| 18:04.52 | spacecowboy | apt-get install hfsplus doesn't work |
| 18:04.58 | spacecowboy | thor:/home/jt# mount /dev/sda /ipod/ -thfsplus |
| 18:04.58 | spacecowboy | mount: fs type hfsplus not supported by kernel |
| 18:05.00 | spacecowboy | thor:/home/jt# |
| 18:05.04 | simonrvn | oh mount -t hfsplus /dev/foo /mnt/bar |
| 18:05.19 | spacecowboy | simonrvn: shouldn't matter |
| 18:05.23 | simonrvn | you either need hfsplus modprobed, or compile it from ardis |
| 18:05.43 | spacecowboy | ? |
| 18:06.08 | bighawk | simonrvn: did you hear what was the cause of that hfsplus issue? |
| 18:06.10 | simonrvn | d/l the source from ardis, and build the module, or recompile a benh 2.4 kernel for it |
| 18:06.15 | bighawk | simonrvn: it was indeed a "bug" in du |
| 18:06.16 | simonrvn | bighawk: no idea. |
| 18:06.21 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 18:06.36 | spacecowboy | simonrvn: ? why in the 2.4 not the 2.6? |
| 18:06.40 | spacecowboy | i have the 2.6 |
| 18:06.44 | spacecowboy | Linux thor 2.6.0-ben1 #1 Thu Dec 18 21:36:42 EST 2003 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 18:06.46 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 18:06.51 | spacecowboy | am i just being dumb? |
| 18:06.58 | bighawk | simonrvn: linux reports with a blocksize of 1kbyte |
| 18:07.06 | simonrvn | mmm, the hfsplus in benh 2.6 is goofy. it froze my box when i loaded it |
| 18:07.08 | bighawk | simonrvn: and du assumes that |
| 18:07.14 | simonrvn | i see |
| 18:07.17 | bighawk | simonrvn: but hfsplus blocksize is 8kbyte |
| 18:07.27 | bighawk | simonrvn: that's why it's a factor 8 off |
| 18:07.30 | simonrvn | can be lower, but yes |
| 18:07.35 | spacecowboy | hrm... |
| 18:07.40 | spacecowboy | so what should i do? |
| 18:07.54 | spacecowboy | should i get that package hfsplus |
| 18:07.58 | spacecowboy | or is that useless |
| 18:08.23 | simonrvn | either way, you still need hfsplus support |
| 18:08.36 | spacecowboy | yes i do |
| 18:08.43 | spacecowboy | but can i get it via the hfsplus package? |
| 18:09.01 | simonrvn | no, that only provides means to interact with hfs+ fs |
| 18:09.07 | spacecowboy | hrm |
| 18:09.15 | spacecowboy | but should i have that package anyways |
| 18:09.20 | spacecowboy | or should i bag it |
| 18:09.21 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 18:09.27 | simonrvn | i can tell you're avoiding compiling stuff ;) |
| 18:09.32 | bighawk | simonrvn: but perhaps it is actually a bug in hfsplus |
| 18:09.37 | spacecowboy | yea |
| 18:09.38 | spacecowboy | :p |
| 18:09.41 | simonrvn | it's not installed by default |
| 18:09.42 | spacecowboy | but i'll go get it |
| 18:09.51 | simonrvn | bighawk: there are many. i have no idea |
| 18:10.09 | spacecowboy | simonrvn i think i built the one in 2.6 |
| 18:10.23 | bighawk | simonrnv: i just checked the du source code, and it makes it computations by doing stat() on the file, and multiplying st_blocks * st_blksize |
| 18:10.24 | spacecowboy | was that a bad idea? |
| 18:10.39 | bighawk | simonrvn: so that would imply that hfsplus reports st_blksize erroneously |
| 18:11.32 | spacecowboy | well simonrvn i'm rebuilding my kernel right now...(2.6) that is |
| 18:11.36 | simonrvn | spacecowboy: no it's a good idea, just that it's quite buggy, and pretty useless right now. |
| 18:11.36 | spacecowboy | with hfsplus support |
| 18:11.45 | spacecowboy | :( |
| 18:11.46 | simonrvn | i'd trythe ardis one |
| 18:12.05 | simonrvn | but i think the ardis one is the one in benh... not sure though |
| 18:12.06 | spacecowboy | which would be where? |
| 18:12.15 | simonrvn | their web site :) |
| 18:12.16 | spacecowboy | well is this a 2.4 benh? |
| 18:12.21 | bighawk | www.ardis.com/hfsplus |
| 18:12.23 | simonrvn | bighawk: possibly yes |
| 18:12.38 | simonrvn | wow, mol booting in 2.6 :) |
| 18:12.57 | spacecowboy | wtf thats not a site |
| 18:13.14 | spacecowboy | www.ardis.com isn't even a site |
| 18:13.32 | simonrvn | eeew -> Dec 25 18:10:33 nuit kernel: mol: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted. |
| 18:14.06 | malik_ | spacecowboy: 2.6 on what machine (and hi everybody btw. ;-) ) |
| 18:15.10 | simonrvn | hi |
| 18:15.38 | spacecowboy | malik_: tibook 1ghz |
| 18:15.49 | spacecowboy | simonrvn: icky :( |
| 18:16.57 | malik | who hilights me? :) |
| 18:17.34 | spacecowboy | ? |
| 18:17.47 | spacecowboy | malik_: you asked me... |
| 18:18.49 | malik | spacecowboy: i am a other malik ;)O |
| 18:18.49 | malik_ | spacecowboy: yep, the one with the underscore ... |
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| 18:19.10 | spacecowboy | ok wtf is going on |
| 18:19.22 | malik | hihi |
| 18:19.31 | spacecowboy | wow |
| 18:19.43 | spacecowboy | one of you needs to switch :) |
| 18:20.20 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:20.20 | dude | for a start ... ;-) |
| 18:21.44 | spacecowboy | lol |
| 18:21.49 | malik | hey, theres nothing wrong with that name ;) |
| 18:21.52 | spacecowboy | dude you need 2.6 help ? |
| 18:23.33 | dude | spacecowboy: nope, was asking to see if it might be helpful to direct you to the ibook with 2.6 minihowto I wrote |
| 18:23.36 | spacecowboy | simonrvn ! IT LOADED! |
| 18:23.38 | spacecowboy | WHEEEE |
| 18:23.42 | spacecowboy | 2.6 just built btw |
| 18:23.46 | spacecowboy | yea... that quick :D |
| 18:24.08 | dude | spacecowboy: w/ or w/o preempt ? |
| 18:24.26 | spacecowboy | dude preempt is broken at high memory usage |
| 18:24.32 | spacecowboy | i wouldn't recommend it |
| 18:24.50 | dude | spacecowboy: exactly ;-) so I don't need to tell ya that |
| 18:24.51 | spacecowboy | simonrvn high five homie |
| 18:25.03 | simonrvn | cool |
| 18:25.13 | spacecowboy | yea yea |
| 18:25.14 | bighawk | spacecowboy: "high memory usage" ? |
| 18:25.15 | spacecowboy | gangsta |
| 18:25.21 | simonrvn | HIMEM |
| 18:25.37 | bighawk | what exactly does that do? |
| 18:25.47 | bighawk | HIMEM? |
| 18:26.02 | simonrvn | enables access to RAM higher than 768 MB (or is it 868MB) |
| 18:26.06 | dude | causes race conditions to be precise (no matter w/ highmem or without) |
| 18:26.39 | simonrvn | yeh, i think it was causing my freezes in the previous version of a 2.6 i had |
| 18:26.39 | dude | simonrvn: ~868 |
| 18:26.40 | bighawk | simonrvn: really? |
| 18:26.53 | bighawk | simonrvn: you need to specifically enable HIMEM for as low as 768mb? |
| 18:26.55 | simonrvn | yes really :) |
| 18:26.59 | bighawk | on ppc |
| 18:27.10 | dude | on x86 too |
| 18:27.12 | simonrvn | x86 too |
| 18:27.14 | simonrvn | heh |
| 18:27.17 | spacecowboy | hmmmm |
| 18:27.35 | bighawk | on x86 it's 1gb i think |
| 18:27.40 | spacecowboy | yep |
| 18:27.42 | simonrvn | no it isn't |
| 18:27.49 | bighawk | i just checked, it is |
| 18:27.56 | bighawk | 1-4gb requires himem to be set to 4gb |
| 18:28.16 | simonrvn | +s |
| 18:28.25 | bighawk | anyway, i only have 640mb ram anyway, so preempt would be save then? |
| 18:28.32 | dude | bighawk: not with ppc |
| 18:28.42 | simonrvn | no. see dude/malik's thing above. race conditions |
| 18:28.47 | bighawk | ah |
| 18:28.52 | bighawk | help says the races are only with smp though |
| 18:29.08 | dude | bighawk: tried it, segfaults, floating point exceptions with everything. no fun at all |
| 18:29.18 | bighawk | i'm running it with preempt now |
| 18:29.20 | simonrvn | i wouldn't touch preempt anyway, even if it was ok. 2.6 doesn,t need it |
| 18:29.22 | bighawk | didnt notice anything yet |
| 18:29.46 | bighawk | preempt should be nice for systems without real time constraints |
| 18:29.58 | bighawk | why "doesnt it need it" ? |
| 18:30.10 | simonrvn | scheduler is much better in 2.6 |
| 18:30.12 | dude | bighawk: without smp too, tried it on ibook2.2; |
| 18:30.29 | dude | bighawk: got mplayer ? |
| 18:30.30 | bighawk | simonrvn: a good scheduler doesnt make up for a fully preemptible kernel |
| 18:30.35 | simonrvn | i didn't even notice loads of 4-6, in x |
| 18:30.40 | bighawk | simonrvn: they aren't mutually exclusive |
| 18:30.43 | bighawk | dude: yes |
| 18:30.55 | bighawk | dude: actually mplayer results looked fucked up, but i blaimed that on the compiler |
| 18:31.01 | bighawk | dude: would that be related to preempt? :) |
| 18:31.03 | dude | bighawk: crashed on every second attempt with preempt |
| 18:31.03 | simonrvn | usually i notice very readily with loads 3+ |
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| 18:31.23 | bighawk | dude: oh, didnt have that here |
| 18:31.31 | dude | bighawk: ben currently disencourages any use of preempt with this 2.6-kernels, btw |
| 18:31.40 | bighawk | well, i ll disable it then |
| 18:31.53 | bighawk | i've just been using a preemptibe kernel for years on my main workstation |
| 18:32.00 | bighawk | (fully preemptive i mean) |
| 18:32.00 | simonrvn | many of the ppc kernel hackers do actually |
| 18:32.11 | dude | bighawk: wks -> x86 ? |
| 18:32.19 | bighawk | dude: no solaris/sparc |
| 18:32.32 | dude | dude: /me knows nothing 'bout that |
| 18:32.42 | dude | damn it |
| 18:32.46 | bighawk | solaris has been fully preemptive for 6 years or so |
| 18:32.53 | dude | bighawk: /me knows nothing 'bout that arch |
| 18:33.58 | bighawk | anyway, building mplayer with debian unstable gave me internal compiler errors |
| 18:34.09 | bighawk | the current gcc in unstable is definately broken |
| 18:34.09 | simonrvn | now i know it's my video that's slow ;) |
| 18:34.20 | bighawk | nah, it's not that |
| 18:34.31 | dude | bighawk: I had gcc crash internally - also due to preempt |
| 18:34.33 | bighawk | my video should be fast :) i think gcc generated pretty fucked up code |
| 18:34.55 | bighawk | simonrvn: ati radeon mobility 9200 shouldn't be slow at all |
| 18:35.00 | bighawk | dude: ah |
| 18:35.12 | simonrvn | bighawk: i said *my*, not yours |
| 18:35.15 | bighawk | dude: exactly reproducable? |
| 18:35.26 | dude | bighawk: yep |
| 18:35.27 | bighawk | simonrvn: ah, i thought you meant that as me thinking that |
| 18:35.45 | bighawk | dude: ah, well, time to disable it then i guess |
| 18:36.02 | dude | bighawk: to quote ben : Do no use CONFIG_PREEMPT if you want some |
| 18:36.05 | dude | thing that works ;) |
| 18:36.18 | dude | bighawk: I'd second that |
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| 18:36.44 | bighawk | dude: funny that it's still so borked, the preemptive kernel feature is what linux zealots use most often in their arguments on how well linux 2.6 keeps up with the other enterprise operating systems |
| 18:37.06 | bighawk | dude: doesnt sound like something you would even think of using in a business environment then |
| 18:37.35 | dude | bighawk: definately not now |
| 18:38.15 | bighawk | it's pretty bad that the warning in the help isnt better then |
| 18:38.27 | bighawk | it only mentions races with smp, so i disabled smp support and thought to be safe |
| 18:38.53 | simonrvn | yeh, my gcc 3.3 works really well |
| 18:39.17 | bighawk | simonrvn: can you buld mplayer with it? |
| 18:39.24 | bighawk | it kept crashing on mpeg_altivec.c |
| 18:39.32 | dude | bighawk: guess help focuses on x86 |
| 18:39.33 | spacecowboy | simonrvn hmm |
| 18:39.38 | simonrvn | i dont want to :) |
| 18:39.40 | spacecowboy | simonrvn ... couple of things |
| 18:39.47 | spacecowboy | simonrvn:? |
| 18:39.55 | simonrvn | build mplayer |
| 18:40.03 | dude | bighawk: thats mplayer - use --disable-altivec, mplayer falsly detect a nonexistenc altivec unit |
| 18:40.10 | spacecowboy | simonrvn: well anyways... it says some of the stuff that i have it can't write to |
| 18:40.16 | bighawk | dude: i have an altivec unit. |
| 18:40.21 | dude | bighawk: oh |
| 18:40.21 | simonrvn | spacecowboy: context? |
| 18:40.24 | bighawk | dude: this is a g4 |
| 18:40.40 | bighawk | dude: and again, it's gcc which crashes |
| 18:40.42 | bighawk | dude: not mplayer |
| 18:40.44 | dude | bighawk: hmm, should be irrelevant at compile time though |
| 18:40.58 | bighawk | gcc crashes on scheduling some altivec ops |
| 18:41.15 | dude | bighawk: right, now that you mention it. gcc gives the 'please send full bug report'-msg |
| 18:41.24 | bighawk | did you just try it? |
| 18:41.29 | dude | bighawk: gcc-bug then |
| 18:41.36 | bighawk | so you get the same? |
| 18:41.49 | dude | bighawk: compiled mplayer yesterday for real-support and got that very same error |
| 18:41.58 | bighawk | aha |
| 18:42.08 | bighawk | so i guess it's not preempt then :) |
| 18:42.43 | dude | bighawk: not this time ;-) |
| 18:43.06 | simonrvn | mplayer is fucked IMO |
| 18:43.11 | spacecowboy | simonrvn well... it seems it can import... read the stuff however it cannot write to it |
| 18:43.12 | bighawk | anyway, i did get very bad video |
| 18:43.14 | spacecowboy | simonrvn amen |
| 18:43.20 | spacecowboy | using xine as we speak |
| 18:43.20 | bighawk | colors were messed up, it was slow as hell |
| 18:43.51 | bighawk | dude: does mplayer work fine for you though? :) |
| 18:44.00 | spacecowboy | works fine for me |
| 18:44.04 | spacecowboy | i just don't like it ;p |
| 18:44.08 | bighawk | why not? |
| 18:44.11 | dude | bighawk: gotta use --disable-vidix |
| 18:44.20 | bighawk | dude: i tried -vo xv |
| 18:44.20 | dude | spacecowboy: what do you like then ? |
| 18:44.23 | bighawk | dude: no change |
| 18:44.35 | dude | bighawk: no change concerning what ? |
| 18:44.38 | spacecowboy | dude: i run xine |
| 18:44.39 | spacecowboy | dunno |
| 18:44.42 | spacecowboy | just like it better |
| 18:44.42 | bighawk | dude: quality |
| 18:44.43 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 18:44.48 | simonrvn | spacecowboy: you mean gtkpod? |
| 18:45.12 | spacecowboy | simonrvn: yes |
| 18:45.15 | dude | spacecowboy: xine gives me shit telling me I'm not allowed to watch dvd in this country (stupid css-crap-commercial-**sd*****) |
| 18:45.19 | spacecowboy | simonrvn: see i am running it as root |
| 18:45.32 | spacecowboy | dude: thats your dvd code... |
| 18:45.32 | bighawk | haha |
| 18:45.44 | bighawk | mplayer just uses libdecss to crack it |
| 18:45.44 | spacecowboy | dude: you can only switch a couple times... 5 i think |
| 18:45.48 | bighawk | and plays it without a problem |
| 18:45.50 | spacecowboy | yea |
| 18:45.51 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 18:45.55 | dude | bighawk: were you hoping for a speed improvemnt ? gcc alsmost can't optimize for ppc |
| 18:46.08 | bighawk | dude: no |
| 18:46.12 | bighawk | dude: i just build it for the first time |
| 18:46.25 | dude | spacecowboy: under macos=true, mplayer gives a shit about region-code, but just playes whatever I put in |
| 18:46.37 | bighawk | yep |
| 18:46.45 | spacecowboy | yep |
| 18:46.46 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 18:46.46 | bighawk | and it technically can, why shouldn't it? |
| 18:47.02 | bighawk | it takes 2 secs to crack with decss |
| 18:47.04 | dude | spacecowboy: I'd switch rc to please xine but I'm too lazy to install macosx |
| 18:47.06 | spacecowboy | yep |
| 18:47.09 | spacecowboy | simonrvn: any idea? |
| 18:47.34 | simonrvn | spacecowboy: backup te ipod, mkfs.fat /dev/ipod or whatever |
| 18:47.44 | spacecowboy | lol |
| 18:47.50 | spacecowboy | simonrvn no... its fine hfs plus works |
| 18:47.54 | spacecowboy | it imported it all fine |
| 18:47.55 | dude | bighawk: guess xine tries to be ethical or something ... |
| 18:48.03 | bighawk | dude: yeah, i dont like that for this stuff |
| 18:48.22 | bighawk | dude: mplayer does support a lot more though, gives much mroe control, and better performance too |
| 18:48.24 | bighawk | (on x86 at least) |
| 18:49.11 | bighawk | dude: anyway, i ll rebuild the kernel, and rebuild mplayer with gcc-3.2 |
| 18:49.19 | bighawk | see if it helps |
| 18:49.22 | dude | bighawk: you on ibook g4 ? |
| 18:49.26 | bighawk | dude: yes |
| 18:49.48 | dude | bighawk: got alsa/drm and stuff runing with 2.6 ? |
| 18:49.50 | bighawk | dude:can you get full screen playback with mplayer on your ppc box? |
| 18:49.54 | bighawk | dude: yes |
| 18:49.56 | spacecowboy | dude: i do :) |
| 18:50.01 | spacecowboy | just saying |
| 18:50.03 | dude | bighawk: fullscreen=yes |
| 18:50.06 | spacecowboy | not bragging or anything :( |
| 18:50.16 | bighawk | dude: ah well, guess my mplayer build was just completely fucked up then |
| 18:50.21 | bighawk | dude: what system do you have? |
| 18:50.46 | dude | bighawk: ibook g3, running 2.6.0 since test11 |
| 18:50.56 | simonrvn | spacecowboy: i don,t know what you're trying to do. i haven't even used an ipod.. |
| 18:51.28 | spacecowboy | simonrvn well |
| 18:51.31 | bighawk | dude: can you do something for me? |
| 18:51.41 | bighawk | dude: run 'xvinfo' in X11 and send me the output? |
| 18:51.43 | spacecowboy | simonrvn the ipod is essentially an hd |
| 18:51.49 | dude | bighawk: sure |
| 18:52.19 | bighawk | i wonder if the fucked up mplayer is thanks to preempt |
| 18:52.21 | bighawk | i somewhat hope it :P |
| 18:52.27 | spacecowboy | simonrvn however... and also... it contains many dirs in which it is organized |
| 18:53.46 | dude | bighawk: here ya go: www.daniel-zimmermann.com@www.daniel-zimmermann.com:/joe/ibook/xvinfo.stdout |
| 18:53.51 | spacecowboy | well i'll deal with this later |
| 18:53.53 | bighawk | dude: thanks |
| 18:54.28 | dude | bighawk: cut the first part |
| 18:54.32 | bighawk | dude: yea, that's the same as i have |
| 18:54.43 | bighawk | dude: so something must be wrong with my mplayer then :) |
| 18:55.02 | bighawk | dude: i was thinking for a sec, that perhaps the mobility 9200 wasn't completely supported yet in xf86 (not with proper xv support yet) |
| 18:55.36 | dude | bighawk: did ya use the patch against that graficchip ? |
| 18:55.44 | bighawk | what patch? |
| 18:55.52 | dude | bighawk: sec |
| 18:56.00 | bighawk | i just used plain 2.6.0-ben1 |
| 18:56.05 | bighawk | without any patches |
| 18:56.54 | dude | bighawk: http://geekounet.org/powerbook/files/9200.diff |
| 18:57.10 | dude | bighawk: was applied to 2.4 on 17 dec, dunno 'bout 2. |
| 18:57.12 | dude | bighawk: g |
| 18:57.19 | dude | bighawk: damn it; 2.6 |
| 18:57.43 | bighawk | ah |
| 18:57.46 | bighawk | +#define PCI_DEVICE_ID_ATI_RADEON_Lh0x5C63 |
| 18:57.52 | bighawk | hmm, i think, mine used a diff chip-id |
| 18:57.54 | bighawk | lemme check |
| 18:58.14 | malik | is it possible to play realmedia videos with mplayer on my ibook? i configured it with --with-libdir=... and so on but it doesnt work... |
| 18:58.58 | dude | malik: yes it is; ya got the ppc-specific codecs from mplayerhq.hu ? |
| 18:59.30 | bighawk | ah right |
| 18:59.32 | bighawk | i use the same chip id |
| 18:59.37 | bighawk | dude: didnt apply it, i might add it |
| 18:59.58 | malik | dude: ya... |
| 19:00.23 | bighawk | dude: but i think the only thing this patch does is print a nice "M9 Lh" message |
| 19:00.29 | bighawk | dude: but i ll apply it anyway :) |
| 19:01.17 | dude | malik: what does mplayer say ? (configure doesn't actually check if the supplied dir is correct, might be a typo) |
| 19:01.43 | dude | malik: /me ran into this, mplayer gives messages it couldn't find codec-file |
| 19:02.14 | bighawk | dude: the most annoying thing now is that i can't get sleep to work |
| 19:02.14 | dude | dude: or (bad case) you're trying to play a file that requires real9 |
| 19:03.32 | dude | bighawk: that's my favourite feature. afaik (reading debianppc-ml) sleep support for g4 hasn't arrived yet :-( (the reason why I got a g3) |
| 19:05.46 | dude | bighawk: way: whats your xfree version ? |
| 19:06.34 | malik | dude: ehm it just says it doesnt know the codec... configure gives no error |
| 19:07.21 | bighawk | dude: 4.3.99 |
| 19:07.50 | bighawk | dude: the thing is, some people on the gentoolinux-ppc forum claim that they got sleep working on theibook g4 |
| 19:08.28 | malik | dude: i just copied the files to /usr/local/lib/codecs/ and passed that to the --with-reallibdir option |
| 19:09.04 | malik | dude: is there something else to do? |
| 19:09.05 | dude | bighawk: squeeze 'em till they tell you how they did it ;-) |
| 19:09.11 | bighawk | dude: i'm trying :) |
| 19:09.17 | bighawk | dude: i mailed one of those guys |
| 19:09.46 | bighawk | anyway, right now if i try apm-suspend i get a EINVAL error on some rtc ioctl |
| 19:09.56 | bighawk | so i'm building with extended rtc support now too, maybe that fixes that |
| 19:11.11 | dude | malik: nope, that should do it; could you give me the codec-name/no mplayer gives ? |
| 19:11.52 | dude | bighawk: sdiff against http://www.daniel-zimmermann.com/joe/ibook/config-2.6.0-test11joe6 |
| 19:11.56 | bighawk | it's annoying that building the 2.6.0 kernel takes so much time |
| 19:12.21 | bighawk | dude: hmm? |
| 19:12.27 | dude | bighawk: rtc is a bit troublesome as well (like don't use ppc_rtc but generic_rtc and not extented_rtc ...) |
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| 19:13.08 | bighawk | what bad can extended rtc do? |
| 19:13.48 | dude | bighawk: 'bout sleep: the troublepart is the sequence to reintalize the ati-chip; thus the change has to occur in the kernel; so as long as ben's changelog doesn't mention it, it shouldn't work |
| 19:14.11 | bighawk | but what bad can extended dev rtc do? |
| 19:14.16 | bighawk | i'm just building a kernel with that enabled now |
| 19:14.54 | dude | bighawk: rtc: dunno if it was 2.4 or 2.6, but it made gcc abort the kernel-compilation |
| 19:14.59 | bighawk | i really dislike linux new build script |
| 19:15.06 | bighawk | is there any way i can see the actual compile commands? |
| 19:15.14 | bighawk | with 2.6 |
| 19:15.20 | dude | bighawk: yep, should be VERBOSE=1 |
| 19:15.23 | sk1p | VERBOSE=1 or something |
| 19:15.23 | bighawk | aha |
| 19:15.38 | malik | ah i did something wrong... its a problem with the streaming... there is rtsp or pnm... with pnm it sais it cant connect... rtsp says it needs some extra libraries |
| 19:15.41 | bighawk | cuz, i'm worried it's using the borked gcc |
| 19:15.43 | bighawk | heh |
| 19:15.52 | dude | bighawk: there's something about thousand of lines scrolling down the screen ;-) |
| 19:15.55 | bighawk | dude: do you compile the kernel with gcc3 yet? |
| 19:16.05 | malik | dude: is this live.com lib available? |
| 19:16.21 | dude | bighawk: gcc 3.3.2, < 3 is higly disencuraged |
| 19:16.33 | dude | bighawk: are you building the kernel with your preempt kernel ? |
| 19:16.36 | bighawk | no |
| 19:16.37 | bighawk | disabledit |
| 19:16.45 | bighawk | why discouraged? |
| 19:16.52 | bighawk | the README says that it *should* be compiled with 2.95 |
| 19:17.01 | dude | bighawk: good - I didn't got a sincle kernel compiled with preempt |
| 19:17.05 | dude | bighawk: for the 2.6 = |
| 19:17.08 | dude | bighawk: ? |
| 19:17.10 | bighawk | yes |
| 19:17.10 | dude | malik: sec |
| 19:17.14 | bighawk | dude: sec |
| 19:17.47 | bighawk | "Make sure you have gcc 2.95.3 available" |
| 19:17.56 | bighawk | that's from the 2.6.0 README file |
| 19:18.33 | dude | bighawk: indeed; though I strongly remember that 2.6 + 2.95 is no good |
| 19:19.20 | bighawk | i build linux on ia32 always with gcc3 |
| 19:19.32 | dude | malik: live.com is afaik n/a; just real8+xanim (the two to be found on mplayer hp) |
| 19:19.33 | bighawk | but i just realised that building it with that borked gcc3.3.2 isnt a good idea |
| 19:19.37 | bighawk | dude: dont you think? |
| 19:19.43 | malik | dude: damn... |
| 19:19.44 | bighawk | btw, it's KBUILD_VERBOSE |
| 19:19.56 | malik | dude: should i be able to play .ram s? |
| 19:20.01 | malik | dude: doesnt work either... |
| 19:20.20 | bighawk | gcc3.3.3 i mean |
| 19:20.33 | bighawk | dude: do you still have a proper gcc3.3.2? :) |
| 19:20.51 | dude | malik: needed it for daria (.rm) only so far. I probably should install macosx within mol for this propriartory crap |
| 19:21.16 | dude | bighawk: got testing gcc ... |
| 19:21.30 | bighawk | what does gcc -v show for you? |
| 19:21.33 | malik | dude: some of my lectures (dont know if this is the correct word) in university are availble via rtsp... |
| 19:21.46 | bighawk | wow |
| 19:21.48 | dude | bighawk: 3.3.2 (Debian) |
| 19:21.53 | bighawk | that's the first time i see somebody use rtsp |
| 19:22.09 | bighawk | dude: ah, and you had the same issues with mpeg_altivec? |
| 19:22.17 | bighawk | i'm on unstable here.. with 3.3.3 prerelease, heh |
| 19:22.21 | dude | malik: I was able to watch that ... |
| 19:22.49 | malik | dude: hm? i thought it's not available? |
| 19:23.11 | dude | malik: live.com is streaming real ? |
| 19:23.32 | dude | bighawk: yep, gcc internal crash |
| 19:23.56 | malik | dude: mplayer says that it needs live.com libraries to play this rtsp stream... |
| 19:24.19 | malik | dude: the extension from the file is .rm... i thought... |
| 19:24.44 | dude | malik: guess my memory failed me then, sorry :-( |
| 19:24.57 | bighawk | dude: and do you recommend building the kernel with that version? |
| 19:25.00 | bighawk | dude: or shall i use 3.2.3 |
| 19:26.57 | dude | bighawk: as I don't have altivec I just told the configurescript not to build altivec-support |
| 19:27.46 | bighawk | but aren't you worried that it has more bugs? :) |
| 19:28.06 | bighawk | well, i picked 3.2.3 now |
| 19:28.07 | bighawk | as 3.2.3 compiled mpeg_altivec.c flawlessly |
| 19:28.17 | dude | hmmm |
| 19:28.47 | bighawk | 3.2.3 should be very recent too anyway |
| 19:28.57 | bighawk | i bet there's practically no difference further |
| 19:29.47 | bighawk | dude: why do you have prep/chrp enabled? |
| 19:31.29 | dude | bighawk: what's that ? |
| 19:31.43 | dude | bighawk: so, no ;-) |
| 19:31.54 | bighawk | you have it enabled in your config |
| 19:32.03 | dude | bighawk: sorry, I read 'do you' instead of 'why do' |
| 19:32.14 | bighawk | chrp is for ibm power machines i think, and prep for something else |
| 19:33.29 | dude | bighawk: was default ... |
| 19:33.51 | bighawk | yeah, i disabled it every time |
| 19:33.59 | bighawk | but i noticed literally every config i've seen has it enabled |
| 19:34.29 | dude | bighawk: you might be about to find out ;-) |
| 19:35.00 | bighawk | doubtful |
| 19:35.02 | bighawk | the help is clear |
| 19:35.11 | bighawk | it's not for apple pmac systems |
| 19:36.42 | dude | bighawk: menuconfig doesn't let me select pmac solely :-( |
| 19:36.50 | bighawk | odd |
| 19:36.58 | dude | bighawk: nevermind, my systems running like a charm :-) |
| 19:37.08 | bighawk | yeah |
| 19:37.16 | bighawk | i just like to remove all unnecessary code :) |
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| 19:40.22 | dude | btw. how's 2.6 on x86 ? I need to update the kernel on my router anyway |
| 19:41.09 | bighawk | didnt try it on x86 |
| 19:41.19 | bighawk | only running 2.4 on x86, and intended to do that for a long time |
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| 19:52.30 | bighawk | this is awesome |
| 19:52.35 | bighawk | yaboot fucked itself up again it seems |
| 20:05.51 | bighawk | but it was easily fixed from cdrom at least |
| 20:33.07 | bighawk | wow, detected a big bug in hfsplus |
| 20:33.12 | bighawk | i can enter normal files as directory |
| 20:34.38 | farruinn | are you sure it's a "normal file"? |
| 20:35.20 | bighawk | yes |
| 20:35.31 | farruinn | hm, that's funny |
| 20:35.32 | bighawk | i can enter every file |
| 20:35.43 | bighawk | but i get 'ENODIR' if i try to list any files in it then |
| 20:36.26 | bighawk | ENOTDIR excuse me |
| 20:36.43 | bighawk | dude: are you there? |
| 20:37.02 | bighawk | dude: i think i know what makes my movies choppy |
| 20:39.41 | dude | bighawk: gits2 trailer just ended ;-) (can't what) |
| 20:40.37 | bighawk | dude: do you have /proc/sys/dev/rtc ? |
| 20:40.56 | dude | bighawk: yes |
| 20:41.03 | bighawk | with 2.6? |
| 20:41.09 | dude | yep |
| 20:41.12 | bighawk | damn, i dont |
| 20:41.17 | bighawk | mplayer is complaining about not having rtc |
| 20:41.23 | bighawk | i think that causes the timing to be fucked up |
| 20:41.31 | bighawk | sounds very plausible at least :) |
| 20:41.43 | bighawk | dude: any idea how you got it there? |
| 20:41.47 | dude | what kind of file do you play for a test ? |
| 20:42.30 | bighawk | a xvid file |
| 20:42.43 | dude | should ran flawlessly with and without rtc |
| 20:43.14 | dude | afaik rtc is something closely related to x86 and the rtc-device on ppc is an emulation |
| 20:43.15 | bighawk | well, the movie isnt fluent right now |
| 20:43.36 | bighawk | and it's not the cpu which is the problem |
| 20:43.42 | bighawk | it uses only 18% cpu or so, there'splenty left |
| 20:43.45 | dude | -vo xv -ao null |
| 20:43.48 | dude | ? |
| 20:43.55 | bighawk | sec |
| 20:44.24 | bighawk | heh |
| 20:44.27 | bighawk | that fixed it, amazing |
| 20:44.33 | bighawk | i guess it's thanks to slow audio output |
| 20:44.39 | bighawk | what audio driver do you use then? |
| 20:44.50 | bighawk | definately got to find something better then :) |
| 20:44.57 | bighawk | it's really smooth now :) |
| 20:45.01 | dude | oss emulation of alsa as native also produces shit |
| 20:45.06 | dude | -ao oss |
| 20:45.33 | dude | you _did_ compile alsa-oss, didn't ya ? |
| 20:46.01 | dude | -rtc / -nortc doesn't make a difference here btw. |
| 20:46.16 | bighawk | really? how much? |
| 20:46.24 | bighawk | i'm still wondering why i dont have that /proc/sys/dev/rtc |
| 20:46.31 | bighawk | i'm sure i enabled all that rtc crap |
| 20:46.47 | dude | all ? |
| 20:46.51 | bighawk | well, just 2 options |
| 20:46.54 | bighawk | rtc + extended rtc |
| 20:47.11 | bighawk | gonna check dmesg |
| 20:47.20 | dude | malik@ibook ~ (1) $ grep -i rtc /boot/config-2.6.0-ben2joe1 |
| 20:47.20 | dude | CONFIG_GEN_RTC=y |
| 20:47.21 | dude | # CONFIG_GEN_RTC_X is not set |
| 20:47.48 | bighawk | i have that _X too |
| 20:48.03 | bighawk | dude: can you do: dmesg | grep -i rtc |
| 20:51.01 | dude | bighawk: sec |
| 20:53.53 | dude | grep -i rtc /var/log/ibook kernel: Generic RTC Driver v1.07 |
| 20:53.54 | dude | ups |
| 20:53.57 | dude | ibook kernel: Generic RTC Driver v1.07 |
| 20:54.05 | bighawk | i see the same |
| 20:54.38 | bighawk | hmm, i also have some sound problems it seems |
| 20:55.03 | dude | I played with rtc settings with 2.4 and rtc got screwed as I activated too much; just set generic_rtc |
| 20:55.29 | bighawk | ok |
| 20:55.48 | bighawk | when kde starts up, it gives me some EINVAL error for some sound ioctl |
| 20:56.02 | bighawk | anyway, when i play a .avi file with mplayer with the default audio output |
| 20:56.18 | bighawk | i can hear some sound, very very quietly |
| 20:56.24 | bighawk | so something is working at least |
| 20:56.28 | dude | know prob |
| 20:56.36 | dude | http://www.daniel-zimmermann.com/joe/ibook/ibook-2.6.html |
| 20:56.56 | dude | thats 'known prob' |
| 20:57.28 | bighawk | aha |
| 20:57.33 | bighawk | i build it into the kernel |
| 20:57.38 | bighawk | building it as modules would fix this? :) |
| 20:58.05 | dude | yep; |
| 20:58.13 | bighawk | hehe, thanks |
| 20:58.16 | bighawk | this is helpful :) |
| 20:58.22 | bighawk | guess i ll have to recompile my kernel again |
| 20:59.11 | dude | 2.4 took me up to -joe10 and 2.6 up to -joe6 ;-) |
| 21:00.10 | bighawk | what did you actually modify that you added -joe? :) |
| 21:00.14 | bighawk | or you just like to add this :) |
| 21:01.15 | dude | didn't modify the source, just my personal numbering to make the different compiles distinctive ;-) |
| 21:01.57 | dude | so I don't get in trouble installing modules into the same /lib/modules-dir |
| 21:02.21 | dude | (make-kpg kernel_image --append-to-version=<joex>) |
| 21:02.49 | bighawk | can i build the i2c stuff in my kernel though? |
| 21:02.55 | bighawk | or does that have to be as module too |
| 21:02.55 | dude | so it's basically just the number of compiles I did |
| 21:03.48 | dude | modules, please ;-) |
| 21:04.11 | dude | the keywest-module needs to be reloaded |
| 21:04.56 | dude | if mplayer is running with everything check out the (5min version) of the gits2 trailer ;-) nice shit that is |
| 21:05.18 | bighawk | hehe |
| 21:08.29 | dude | k, page updated :-) |
| 21:11.54 | bighawk | what sound stuff did i need as module? |
| 21:12.03 | bighawk | CONFIG_DMASOUND_PMAC? |
| 21:13.03 | dude | dunno, I use to compile most stuff as modules; for alsa I got everything as a module |
| 21:13.35 | bighawk | but it would be OK compiling it in the kernel? |
| 21:13.41 | bighawk | i wouldn't know when i wouldn't want sound so.. |
| 21:14.49 | bighawk | i mean, can i still properly reload keywest then? |
| 21:15.53 | dude | install snd-powermac /sbin/modprobe -i snd-powermac ; ( /sbin/modprobe -ir i2c-keywest && /sbin/modprobe -i i2c-keywest ) |
| 21:16.48 | dude | so you need snd-powermac & i2c-keywest as modules (and maybe ones that are loading in conjunctiono ?) |
| 21:17.10 | bighawk | hmm |
| 21:17.42 | dude | wait, that _re_loads only keywest ... |
| 21:18.22 | dude | build as modules to be safe or don't and risk another kernel-compile ;-) |
| 21:18.53 | dude | s/safe/save/ |
| 21:18.55 | bighawk | i build KEYWEST, DMASOUND_PMAC and SND_POWERMAC as modules now |
| 21:19.03 | bighawk | but i built audio, and alsa stuff in the kernel |
| 21:19.37 | dude | should be a save bet ... (I guess) |
| 21:20.06 | bighawk | but now i got to set up that the right modules are autoloaded each time |
| 21:21.08 | dude | alsa's init script takes care of loading modules; you just need to put the modprobe-line into a file and run update-modules |
| 21:21.25 | dude | btw. /etc/modules loads modules during boot |
| 21:21.52 | bighawk | alsa's init script? |
| 21:22.01 | bighawk | do i have to install anything in userspace for alsa? |
| 21:22.06 | bighawk | any debian package? |
| 21:22.48 | dude | alsa-base, alsa-utils |
| 21:23.02 | bighawk | aha |
| 21:23.11 | bighawk | didnthave those installed either first :) |
| 21:24.11 | bighawk | /etc/modprobe.d/alsa < when is this executed exactly? |
| 21:24.26 | dude | do I have to spell everything out for you ;-) |
| 21:24.29 | dude | just kidding |
| 21:24.48 | dude | do a update-modules; |
| 21:25.15 | dude | /etc/modprobe.d/* is used by modprobe to determine howto load modules |
| 21:25.27 | dude | so when alsa-modules are loaded |
| 21:25.29 | bighawk | well, the thing is |
| 21:25.42 | simonrvn | btw, i did that install snd-powermac /sbin/modprobe -i snd-powermac ;.... thing and i still get Dec 25 21:25:34 nuit kernel: IN from bad port 61 at c01af684 |
| 21:25.42 | bighawk | as i compiled also in the kernel, i obviously can't call that script alsa :) |
| 21:25.45 | simonrvn | Dec 25 21:25:34 nuit kernel: IN from bad port 61 at c01af700 |
| 21:27.03 | dude | why not ? you still need to load modules and restore sound settings/levels |
| 21:27.29 | bighawk | well, isn't that alsa script only consuled when modprobe alsa is executed? |
| 21:27.41 | bighawk | consulted even |
| 21:28.14 | dude | nope |
| 21:28.26 | dude | /etc/init.d/alsa |
| 21:28.34 | dude | /etc/rc2.d/Sxxalsa |
| 21:28.38 | bighawk | ah |
| 21:30.01 | simonrvn | do i need DMASOUND_PMAC for alsa too? |
| 21:30.33 | simonrvn | every time i beep, i get that "IN from bad port" crap |
| 21:31.55 | dude | simonrvn: beep-related stuff not yet ported to 2.6 |
| 21:32.17 | simonrvn | oh yeh... forgot. does the sound work otherwise? |
| 21:32.33 | dude | simonrvn: otherwise ? |
| 21:32.52 | dude | watch it everybody! |
| 21:32.53 | dude | snd_pcm_oss 69220 0 |
| 21:32.53 | dude | snd_mixer_oss 22368 2 snd_pcm_oss |
| 21:32.53 | dude | snd_powermac 42832 1 |
| 21:32.53 | dude | snd_pcm 121112 2 snd_pcm_oss,snd_powermac |
| 21:32.55 | dude | snd_page_alloc 13924 1 snd_pcm |
| 21:32.55 | simonrvn | as in other than the beep, does it work? |
| 21:32.58 | dude | snd_timer 28292 1 snd_pcm |
| 21:33.01 | dude | snd 60344 5 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_powermac,snd_pcm,snd_timer |
| 21:33.03 | dude | soundcore 10528 2 snd |
| 21:33.06 | simonrvn | i have that |
| 21:33.06 | dude | i2c_core 29320 2 snd_powermac,i2c_keywest |
| 21:33.24 | dude | apart from the beep sounds works like with 2.4 |
| 21:33.47 | simonrvn | ok. thank you :) |
| 21:34.38 | simonrvn | hm /me tries |
| 21:35.41 | dude | try 2.6 ? |
| 21:36.08 | simonrvn | Linux nuit.ca 2.6.0-ben1 #2 Mon Dec 22 22:35:27 UTC 2003 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 21:36.29 | dude | I'm surround by french men ;-) |
| 21:36.37 | simonrvn | it works :) |
| 21:36.49 | simonrvn | yay |
| 21:36.50 | dude | simonrvn: what works ? |
| 21:36.54 | simonrvn | sound |
| 21:37.48 | dude | did you do anything that should be added to the page ? |
| 21:38.02 | simonrvn | i thought i fucked up my kernel build somehow. *phew* |
| 21:38.11 | simonrvn | wha? |
| 21:38.33 | dude | what did you change that made sound work ? |
| 21:39.30 | simonrvn | oh nothing. i thought it wouldn't work because of the beep not working... but then i read that thing about the beep needing porting to 2.6. then i forgot, and i still had it in my head that sound was fux0red |
| 21:39.47 | simonrvn | that's why my confusion =0 |
| 21:39.53 | simonrvn | s/0/)/ |
| 21:40.20 | {xmb} | \) |
| 21:40.22 | {xmb} | :) |
| 21:40.29 | simonrvn | bah :P |
| 21:40.35 | {xmb} | a 16 led flashlight, original present heh |
| 21:40.50 | simonrvn | wow |
| 21:40.58 | {xmb} | http://www.trends-and-more-online.de/cgi-bin/shop/iboshop.pl?showd930!,3490334500,20007460 - like that |
| 21:41.26 | {xmb} | very robust, supposed to work for 100 hours with one pack batteries |
| 21:41.40 | dude | {xmb}: german, ey ? |
| 21:41.42 | simonrvn | nice |
| 21:41.53 | {xmb} | didnt find any non german page for that |
| 21:42.40 | {xmb} | and that thing lightens that hard that u cant really look in the led's |
| 21:42.51 | {xmb} | i can even see the smoke in the root clear with it, heh |
| 21:43.06 | simonrvn | they've been putting leds in street lights over here, in some cities. quite cool actually. less power consumptino |
| 21:43.32 | {xmb} | yeah, mmm |
| 21:47.23 | {xmb} | i think this flashlight is water resistant too |
| 21:47.48 | simonrvn | that would be cool |
| 21:49.26 | {xmb} | it has serval serval parts that should prevent water from coming in, dunno how they're called in english |
| 21:49.30 | {xmb} | gotta check the server |
| 21:52.08 | {xmb} | is 'led lenser' some english term? |
| 21:53.54 | bighawk | dude: one more question, do ihave to add those sound modules to /etc/modules too? as you said that they had to be reloaded? |
| 21:56.16 | bighawk | damn |
| 21:56.22 | bighawk | i'm now in a stage, where yaboot fucks up every time |
| 21:56.24 | bighawk | on ybin |
| 21:56.40 | dude | bighawk: nope; /etc/init.d/alsa loads the modules and the sequence to load snd-powermac automatically reloads i2c-keyswest (the line in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa) |
| 21:56.50 | bighawk | ok |
| 21:57.02 | bighawk | but now i got another problem :) running ybin fucks up yaboot now each time |
| 21:57.17 | bighawk | i wonder wtf is wrong with thatnow :( |
| 21:58.07 | dude | out of the blue: run ybin on runlevel 1 |
| 21:58.27 | dude | thats supposed to mean: from top of my head ;-) |
| 21:59.21 | simonrvn | {xmb}: probably more like 'led lens' |
| 21:59.33 | simonrvn | (wow it's so cool, an underscore cursor :)) |
| 22:00.58 | bighawk | no |
| 22:00.59 | bighawk | i'ts not ybin |
| 22:01.03 | bighawk | i think it's the kernel |
| 22:01.17 | bighawk | or the system, just before it restarts, i see some line 'resetting nvramrc' |
| 22:01.24 | bighawk | i suspect it has to do with that |
| 22:02.43 | simonrvn | 'resetting SCSI bus'? :P |
| 22:02.47 | simonrvn | j/k |
| 22:03.03 | {xmb} | OS X has the original awk from 98 or earlier, but it contains something called 'states', 'awk alike text processing language' |
| 22:03.04 | {xmb} | weird |
| 22:03.17 | simonrvn | ? |
| 22:04.27 | {xmb} | im a small awk hacker, and i havent heard anything from this states thing, http://www.sunsite.ualberta.ca/Documentation/Gnu/enscript-1.6.2/man/states.1.html |
| 22:04.51 | {xmb} | gnu enscript, hmm |
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| 22:09.59 | bighawk | dude: sound works, thanks! |
| 22:12.42 | bighawk | dude: also, by recompiling mplayer with 3.2 all the fucked up colors are gone |
| 22:12.49 | bighawk | seems that 3.3.3 prerelease really is buggy |
| 22:15.17 | comar | Hi I try to mount a hfs+ firewire disk. when plugin : ieee1394: Node added: ID:BUS[0-00:1023] GUID[00d04b391d0a3829] |
| 22:15.34 | comar | but now what is the device to mount ? |
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| 22:24.23 | simonrvn | it'll be a scsi device. probably /dev/sda |
| 22:25.36 | dude | bighawk: sounds good :-) |
| 22:26.02 | comar | not sda... not sdb ... :-( |
| 22:28.01 | simonrvn | there are like 16 of them :P |
| 22:28.19 | comar | I tried all of them ! ;) |
| 22:28.20 | simonrvn | dunno otherwise... ;/ |
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| 22:40.47 | comar | what the hell is doing kde ? when I lauch it ,I test everything I can found ;), there is something that access the HD almost 2 times/s |
| 22:41.15 | simonrvn | ick |
| 22:42.11 | comar | there is the noisy fan and now kde !! |
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| 23:02.01 | dude | comar: do a 'cat /dev/{scd,sg}*' and look for something != No such device or adress |
| 23:02.54 | threepwood | 00:02 < dude> comar: do a 'cat /dev/{scd,sg}*' and look for something != No such device or adress |
| 23:03.36 | threepwood | ups sorry |
| 23:04.05 | threepwood | the touchpad of the ibook is so close to the keyboard ... |
| 23:07.29 | comar | thanks dude but... there is only scd0 and that is my cdrom... and there is no sg device. is there a prob ? |
| 23:10.07 | dude | no, more a guess, the device should show up as sda ... |
| 23:10.46 | dude | did you load the _two_ modules for fw ? |
| 23:11.09 | comar | sbp2 18680 0 (unused) |
| 23:11.09 | comar | ohci1394 29736 0 (unused) |
| 23:11.09 | comar | ieee1394 197584 0 [sbp2 ohci1394] |
| 23:11.32 | dude | should do |
| 23:11.54 | comar | http://www.linux1394.org/view_device.php?id=466 :/ |
| 23:12.39 | dude | what machine ya got ? |
| 23:12.45 | comar | g4 |
| 23:13.56 | dude | ibook ? |
| 23:14.04 | comar | no tower |
| 23:17.25 | comar | it's not a laptop. |
| 23:17.47 | dude | you don't say ;-) |
| 23:18.32 | comar | scuse ;) |
| 23:21.01 | comar | the other problem is about the fan... |
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