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| 00:14.56 | vico | can someone help me with a pismo/kernel upgrade issue? |
| 00:16.01 | vico | the keyboard is all messed yp in the newer kernels. |
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| 00:18.27 | LarstiQ | vico: messed up how? |
| 00:19.49 | vico | the mappings are completly off |
| 00:20.55 | LarstiQ | changed CONFIG_MAC_ADBKEYCODES? |
| 00:21.16 | vico | LarstiQ:I found 1 post in google groups w/ the same prob, no answer. |
| 00:21.52 | vico | no |
| 00:22.02 | vico | im not using adb |
| 00:23.27 | LarstiQ | good, you shouldn't :) |
| 00:23.45 | LarstiQ | vico: what exactly did you change? You mention a newer kernel. |
| 00:26.16 | vico | ext3 tun adb both on and off, |
| 00:27.20 | vico | I tried about 5 times now |
| 00:27.32 | vico | with less and less changes |
| 00:29.19 | vico | would CONFIG_PMAC_PBOOK do anything like this? |
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| 01:48.06 | comar | is there a mysql guru here ?? |
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| 01:59.00 | spacecowboy | back |
| 01:59.04 | spacecowboy | howdy folks |
| 01:59.24 | jholt | wb |
| 01:59.29 | simonrvn | re |
| 01:59.30 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 01:59.36 | spacecowboy | hmm |
| 01:59.47 | simonrvn | well, there goes 2.6.0-ben2... i'll see it done in a few hours.... |
| 02:00.01 | jholt | hours? |
| 02:00.10 | simonrvn | more like 2 |
| 02:00.20 | spacecowboy | simonrvn: mine was done in 10 mins :p nah nah na boo boo |
| 02:00.26 | simonrvn | takes longer to compile than 2.4 |
| 02:00.30 | spacecowboy | simonrvn want me to build it for you? |
| 02:00.40 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 02:00.42 | spacecowboy | really |
| 02:00.57 | simonrvn | not everyone has a g4 |
| 02:01.01 | spacecowboy | i know |
| 02:01.03 | jholt | I cross compiled mine on my x86 |
| 02:01.03 | spacecowboy | you all hate me |
| 02:01.09 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 02:01.09 | spacecowboy | cool |
| 02:01.12 | simonrvn | nah, i don't hate you |
| 02:01.29 | spacecowboy | good |
| 02:01.33 | spacecowboy | well either way i have to go again |
| 02:01.35 | simonrvn | i'll just get my tom cat to pee in your boots j/k |
| 02:01.41 | spacecowboy | fruity loops conference |
| 02:01.48 | simonrvn | have fun |
| 02:01.48 | spacecowboy | and then wrestling tournament tomorrow |
| 02:01.53 | spacecowboy | will do |
| 02:01.54 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 02:01.55 | spacecowboy | peace |
| 02:01.58 | simonrvn | wrassling? |
| 02:02.00 | simonrvn | heh |
| 02:02.55 | jholt | simonrvn, is there huge diffence between benh's 2.6 and the stock source from kernel.org? |
| 02:03.29 | simonrvn | there are differences... mostly that benh's is very very much devel, in-progress stuff |
| 02:03.55 | simonrvn | it'S the stuff that gets into mainline, so debugging is helpful |
| 02:04.15 | simonrvn | not bad, uptime of |
| 02:04.20 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.51 | jholt | if mesh would behave i'd have better uptime's lol |
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| 02:06.47 | simonrvn | yeh, that's weird you getting such bad behaviour. only thing i can think of at this point is some h/w issue. maybe even on the mobo itself (*gasp*) |
| 02:07.14 | jholt | simonrvn, I think the G3 is OC'ing the bus |
| 02:07.38 | simonrvn | there's a fix for that. sec, i'll get you the link |
| 02:08.01 | jholt | not by much its running at 50.6mhz specs say my board should be at 60mhz |
| 02:08.18 | jholt | err 50mhz |
| 02:08.26 | simonrvn | http://www.cpu.lu/~mlan/linux/dev/g3upgrade.html |
| 02:12.47 | jholt | simonrvn, thanks alot I wish apple would've did OF right in the first place |
| 02:13.04 | simonrvn | me too |
| 02:13.22 | jholt | 1.0.5 is so horribly broken |
| 02:13.50 | simonrvn | not as bad as the 2.0.x betas though |
| 02:14.00 | simonrvn | (beige g3s have that) |
| 02:14.22 | jholt | they should've made OF reflashible |
| 02:14.53 | simonrvn | yeh, stick it on an EEPROM or something.. but they only did that later.. FFS |
| 02:15.19 | simonrvn | which is why there's NW, and OW |
| 02:15.40 | jholt | and OW with no OF |
| 02:15.58 | simonrvn | that's not oldworld, that's nubus pmacs |
| 02:16.07 | simonrvn | no pci, no OF |
| 02:16.44 | simonrvn | they have a quasi-legacy MacOS ROM |
| 02:17.13 | simonrvn | the OWs have a slightly newer ROM |
| 02:17.19 | jholt | ahh so they are m68k macs with a PPC on the board |
| 02:17.23 | simonrvn | and the NWs have a flashable ROM |
| 02:17.35 | simonrvn | kinda |
| 02:17.51 | simonrvn | they're PPC, but with nubus busses, and not pci |
| 02:18.19 | simonrvn | but they're all like early 1st gen PPCs |
| 02:18.35 | simonrvn | 6100, 7100, etc. |
| 02:19.04 | jholt | sso anything with a 1 for the second number runaway from |
| 02:19.45 | simonrvn | works out that way, but there are other true lemons, like 6360 IIRC (which you can get fixed) |
| 02:20.18 | jholt | the worst I heard were the 52xx AIO's |
| 02:20.26 | simonrvn | oh, won't take so long i think. i'm in 2.6, compiling a 2.6 - should be a little quicker ;) |
| 02:20.49 | simonrvn | yeh. i think the 5260 or something like that are fucked |
| 02:21.50 | jholt | untill I get a new mac I pass all compiling off on to my Celeron |
| 02:22.20 | simonrvn | this one has the most RAM, and the most horsepower, so this one does the compiling |
| 02:23.10 | jholt | the celeron has 256MB of RAM but a higher clock speed and a faster bus |
| 02:24.01 | simonrvn | here they're all the same bus speed. it don't matta ;) |
| 02:24.18 | jholt | and cross compiles the kernel about 20-30mins sooner than the G3 compiling natively |
| 02:25.37 | jholt | I got that number from time make all |
| 02:26.56 | simonrvn | cool |
| 02:26.58 | jholt | OW machine once they reboot into mac are suppose to reset the OF parmeters to default |
| 02:27.13 | simonrvn | it'S mac os that does that |
| 02:27.25 | simonrvn | $%&?(&)*?*&?# |
| 02:27.28 | jholt | but for so reason my machine is saving them accrossed OS changes |
| 02:27.45 | simonrvn | which settings? |
| 02:27.55 | jholt | all of them |
| 02:28.05 | simonrvn | what machine is this? |
| 02:28.14 | jholt | 9600 |
| 02:28.36 | jholt | running OS9.1 |
| 02:29.15 | simonrvn | which settings you setting? |
| 02:29.50 | jholt | boot-device output-device input-device |
| 02:30.35 | jholt | I used the latest version of apple system disk when I orignally set them |
| 02:30.53 | simonrvn | i'm not all that surprised about (in|out)-device, but boot-device hmm.. are you booting completely into macos, or just seeing the grey screen? |
| 02:31.07 | simonrvn | interesting.. |
| 02:31.32 | jholt | all the way into OS9 |
| 02:32.06 | simonrvn | IIRC the 9600 was the last with that OF version.. |
| 02:32.27 | jholt | maybe system disk's preferences auto set's them |
| 02:32.46 | simonrvn | and i've noticed better behaviour with this 8500 than with the 7500, and OF playing together |
| 02:33.03 | simonrvn | you loading it at boot of macos? |
| 02:33.22 | simonrvn | it = system disk |
| 02:33.43 | simonrvn | (i.e., system disk extension in extensions f.) |
| 02:34.02 | jholt | hrmm it might have installed it |
| 02:34.14 | jholt | let hmount my os9 partition |
| 02:34.16 | simonrvn | that could explain it |
| 02:34.27 | simonrvn | yes, please check :) |
| 02:38.07 | jholt | yeah it's in there |
| 02:38.27 | jholt | so it must fix what OS9 does to OF |
| 02:38.48 | simonrvn | that explains that. can you see where the 'My OpenFirmware Config' is? |
| 02:39.37 | jholt | i'll try |
| 02:40.03 | jholt | on a side note why did the hfsplus filesystem support disappear in 2.6 |
| 02:41.27 | simonrvn | dunno. i guess it hadn't gotten ported ... probably reappear later |
| 02:42.06 | jholt | I hope so i so dislike hpmount and friends |
| 02:43.20 | simonrvn | me too. a lot of people do =) |
| 02:45.03 | jholt | well the only file I found beside System Disk Prefs is the file I saved the settings to when I ran to the first time with the save settings to file button |
| 02:45.40 | jholt | which is in the root of my OS9 disk |
| 02:45.42 | simonrvn | yeh, that's the one i meant. where is it located in the System\ Folder? |
| 02:45.45 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 02:45.53 | simonrvn | so at / |
| 02:46.17 | jholt | well : in mac terms but yeah |
| 02:46.22 | simonrvn | yeh :) |
| 02:47.12 | simonrvn | already into the crypto stuff, then the modules |
| 02:47.38 | simonrvn | (i'm using make-kpkg, which does the kernel first, then the modules) |
| 02:48.26 | jholt | I got toasted in #debian earier lol |
| 02:48.54 | simonrvn | about? |
| 02:50.03 | jholt | apparently OSX doesn't support md5 passwords so passwords anything after 8 characters is ignored and mistakenly thought the same was true abvout debian |
| 02:50.50 | jholt | someone had a password problem where debian was ignoring all characters after the first 8 |
| 02:51.22 | simonrvn | oh, yeh, crypt is 8 or less. add md5 to pam stuff, and you get 8+ |
| 02:51.48 | simonrvn | i'm moving all my LDAP passwds to SHA and friends |
| 02:51.52 | simonrvn | :) |
| 02:52.30 | jholt | strange apple would just use crypt for passwords |
| 02:53.24 | simonrvn | very crappy. and uses DES as a hash... |
| 02:53.52 | kimo_no_sabe | bah, just set an ACL denying any access to the password attribute and don't worry about how it's hashed ;) |
| 02:54.08 | simonrvn | did that a long time ago ;) |
| 02:54.21 | jholt | DES as in the encryption that the NSA has the key too? |
| 02:54.36 | simonrvn | as in it's very crackable |
| 02:55.14 | jholt | well its better than win9x's cleartext passwords |
| 02:55.52 | simonrvn | *shudder* too true. and you can make yourself random passwds, to strengthen it |
| 02:56.18 | simonrvn | and SSL/TLS everything, etc. (should anyway) |
| 02:56.44 | simonrvn | and have good security policy.. audit stuff.. |
| 02:57.33 | jholt | nothing is completely secure on the net the latest kernel hole showed us |
| 02:57.59 | simonrvn | well, quik no longer has that weird 4 MB limit (sid's anyway), so it can boot thee monster 2.6.x kernels |
| 02:58.13 | simonrvn | oh yeh, the most you can do is slow people down |
| 02:58.46 | simonrvn | i don't believe in 100% secure shit. never existed |
| 02:59.37 | simonrvn | people who say that are either lying, or joking around |
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| 03:00.32 | jholt | I run fakeidentd on the telnet port just to see how many times it gets hit and every 10 second's someone was connected to it untill I shut it down |
| 03:00.59 | sourdough | telnet gets hit by all kinds of stupid crap |
| 03:01.02 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:01.09 | sourdough | like this irc server looking for telnet proxies |
| 03:02.19 | simonrvn | hey, looks like mesh got fixed (it was getting wanings before) |
| 03:02.21 | simonrvn | +r |
| 03:02.23 | jholt | I admit I run telnet on my internal network for the simple fact that ssh will not no matter how I try will not forward X |
| 03:02.30 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.31 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.05 | kimo_no_sabe | jholt: uh, turn it on, it's off by default. |
| 03:03.10 | simonrvn | i don't. i don't trust it. only thing i run is telnet client |
| 03:03.38 | simonrvn | and nothing with passwords, just network diags |
| 03:04.04 | sourdough | telnet won't forward X either |
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| 03:04.12 | jholt | one day I'll get around to properly setting up XDMCP |
| 03:05.29 | jholt | or buying a new mac so I don't have to have most of my system on a remote nfs mount |
| 03:05.31 | simonrvn | X11Forwarding yes |
| 03:06.11 | simonrvn | i jsut wish there still was a clasic mock os xserver still |
| 03:06.15 | simonrvn | +s |
| 03:06.45 | jholt | /home /tmp /var and /usr are all on the nfs server |
| 03:06.57 | sourdough | neat |
| 03:07.06 | sourdough | do / too |
| 03:07.10 | simonrvn | nfsv4 ;) |
| 03:07.17 | jholt | I should just figure out how to netboot |
| 03:07.25 | kimo_no_sabe | jholt: hmm, why not have / too? |
| 03:08.01 | jholt | kimo_no_sabe, I wasn't aware you could remotely mount / |
| 03:08.06 | simonrvn | i should try netbooting the 7500 for kicks |
| 03:08.43 | jholt | I thought unless netbooting / had to be a local device |
| 03:09.03 | simonrvn | netboot / on down is mounted remotely |
| 03:09.17 | simonrvn | from remote* |
| 03:09.31 | kimo_no_sabe | jholt: bootloader and kernel don't know, or care, about that eachother do |
| 03:10.36 | jholt | doesn't quik have to see the kerenl to be able to boot it? |
| 03:11.11 | jholt | and quik isn't network aware as far as I know |
| 03:11.56 | simonrvn | OF does that. if it sees a tftpd and a bootp/dhcpd on the netowrk, an you tell it to, it'll boot from that |
| 03:13.57 | jholt | ahh |
| 03:14.09 | sourdough | jholt nfs / is orthognal to netboot |
| 03:14.14 | sourdough | its just a bootloader arg |
| 03:14.18 | simonrvn | yup |
| 03:14.24 | sourdough | but naturally netboot makes sense if you nfsroot |
| 03:14.30 | sourdough | if you have capable enough firmware |
| 03:14.38 | sourdough | which x86 usually lacks |
| 03:15.20 | sourdough | oldworld are hard to netboot too |
| 03:15.28 | sourdough | since oldworld tftp/bootp are usually broken |
| 03:15.34 | sourdough | and coff images don't work |
| 03:15.46 | sourdough | and quik doesn't work for network images afaik |
| 03:15.54 | simonrvn | so how come some folks can netboot them? |
| 03:16.15 | sourdough | simonrvn well benh seems to use coff images |
| 03:16.18 | sourdough | but i can't get them to work |
| 03:16.21 | sourdough | even from his tree |
| 03:16.50 | jholt | I could use nfsroot but have a small /boot partition on the mac |
| 03:17.09 | sourdough | yup |
| 03:17.15 | simonrvn | http://sdb.suse.de/sdb/en/html/olh_ppc_netboot.html |
| 03:17.19 | sourdough | if its oldworld thats probably the most hassle free |
| 03:18.16 | simonrvn | # oldworld pmac: |
| 03:18.16 | simonrvn | vmlinux.coff old pmacs can only handle coff |
| 03:18.16 | simonrvn | # newworld macs: |
| 03:18.16 | simonrvn | yaboot new worlds can load the yaboot bootloader which loads its config from the same place |
| 03:18.19 | simonrvn | vmlinux.pmac-elf that is the plain kernel which is bootable without yaboot yaboot can not boot that file. |
| 03:18.42 | simonrvn | oldworld: |
| 03:18.42 | simonrvn | boot enet root=/dev/.. console=... |
| 03:18.42 | simonrvn | newworld: |
| 03:18.42 | simonrvn | boot enet:0 root=/... |
| 03:19.03 | sourdough | that doc is not helpful |
| 03:19.07 | sourdough | you will get |
| 03:19.14 | sourdough | clearing bssCLAIM failed |
| 03:19.31 | sourdough | coff images don't work on anything but benh's box |
| 03:19.33 | simonrvn | how about an OW that has the patched OF? |
| 03:19.43 | simonrvn | (like mine) |
| 03:19.45 | sourdough | dunno |
| 03:19.52 | sourdough | apple does patch the coff loader |
| 03:19.59 | simonrvn | there are some obp-tftp patches |
| 03:20.05 | sourdough | i don't use apples patches since they break other things |
| 03:20.17 | simonrvn | it gets loaded with the default set up from system disk |
| 03:20.27 | sourdough | yes, that pile of patches is broken |
| 03:20.30 | simonrvn | (and i add to that) |
| 03:20.53 | sourdough | we need to develop our own set of patches which fix the right things, and fix it for us, not BloatOX |
| 03:21.15 | simonrvn | agreed |
| 03:21.20 | sourdough | and we can use my restore floppy to install them and not macos |
| 03:21.42 | sourdough | the ones in system disk are not distributable eiher |
| 03:21.50 | simonrvn | true |
| 03:21.54 | sourdough | since afaik systemdisk has full proprietary EULA |
| 03:22.34 | sourdough | just extracting them from the binary is a violation of the EULA (its reverse engineering and/or decompiling and/or disassembling) |
| 03:22.38 | simonrvn | yes.. :( |
| 03:22.50 | sourdough | so if i were you i wouldn't be distributing them on your page.. |
| 03:22.53 | simonrvn | oh yeh, in full view of resedit ;) |
| 03:23.01 | sourdough | the ones in Alans mail on the other hand should be ok |
| 03:23.11 | simonrvn | alright |
| 03:23.14 | sourdough | he wrote those independently and stated they are available for free use |
| 03:23.36 | simonrvn | says so in the email, and michel lanner's page |
| 03:23.38 | sourdough | but alan only fixes disk boot and the cuda bug |
| 03:23.54 | sourdough | i improved the disk boot word |
| 03:23.58 | sourdough | mine is nicer |
| 03:24.10 | sourdough | cleaner output and cleaned screen/colors |
| 03:24.12 | simonrvn | seems to not choke at all |
| 03:24.30 | sourdough | and longer timeout so you get less `waiting' messages |
| 03:24.38 | simonrvn | yeh :) |
| 03:24.52 | sourdough | 1500 ms is a reasonble medium |
| 03:25.02 | sourdough | even 2000 would be fine, albeit slower to wait for |
| 03:25.14 | simonrvn | when i was using a long boot-command, that'S what i was setting it to |
| 03:25.21 | sourdough | with 1500 i get the message once or twice |
| 03:25.22 | simonrvn | 1500 |
| 03:25.31 | sourdough | boot-command is ugly |
| 03:25.37 | sourdough | as is plain wBoot |
| 03:25.40 | simonrvn | quite |
| 03:25.46 | sourdough | get all that CAN"T OPEN shit spewed over and over |
| 03:26.17 | jholt | mine are cause by a stuck jumper on awake on attention |
| 03:27.16 | simonrvn | woohoo man sysfs works :) |
| 03:27.29 | sourdough | ill eventually be compiling/writing just the right set of OF patches for version 1.0.5 |
| 03:27.35 | sourdough | as yaboot gets going |
| 03:27.36 | jholt | yeah too bad udev sucks worse than devfs |
| 03:27.43 | sourdough | jholt it won't |
| 03:27.44 | simonrvn | oh, not the one i thought :( |
| 03:27.47 | sourdough | jholt its still WIP |
| 03:28.00 | sourdough | jholt don't bitch about alpha level code |
| 03:28.03 | simonrvn | WTF is WIP? |
| 03:28.18 | sourdough | jholt and its optional anyway, you can use static dev as i do and will |
| 03:28.20 | simonrvn | oh work in progress.. |
| 03:28.25 | sourdough | simonrvn yup |
| 03:28.26 | simonrvn | duh |
| 03:28.39 | simonrvn | <- duh |
| 03:28.53 | jholt | well i don't use either I think the static /dev tree and MAKEDEV is a good design |
| 03:29.07 | sourdough | simonrvn you got that obscure sysfs() syscall man page |
| 03:29.13 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 03:29.14 | sourdough | jholt so do i |
| 03:29.32 | sourdough | jholt so long as dynamically assigned maj/min remains we can stick with that |
| 03:29.44 | sourdough | rather so long as dynamically assigned does NOT happen ... |
| 03:30.10 | sourdough | if they move to dynamic maj/min were screwed and we will have to run udev in initramfs or some shit |
| 03:30.22 | jholt | and devfs for all its faults works |
| 03:30.28 | sourdough | i hope that never happens, dynamic maj/min is insanity |
| 03:30.36 | sourdough | jholt no devfs is fundemntally broken |
| 03:31.04 | sourdough | its full of unfixable races |
| 03:31.18 | sourdough | it forces naming policy into the kernel (and a horribly unusable one at that) |
| 03:31.31 | kimo_no_sabe | and crappy driver-level implementations. |
| 03:31.37 | sourdough | and other unfixable flaws, viro et al have discussed them |
| 03:31.42 | sourdough | yup |
| 03:31.49 | kimo_no_sabe | There are still a few drivers that allocate 256 devices when the module is loaded |
| 03:31.52 | sourdough | udev is good design for a auto-maintained /dev |
| 03:32.05 | sourdough | i just don't want auto-maintained /dev |
| 03:32.18 | simonrvn | it certainly is a start. i was thinking of playing with it maybe |
| 03:32.33 | simonrvn | just to see.. curiousity etc. |
| 03:32.38 | jholt | if I could've figured out how to get udev working i would be playing if aswell |
| 03:32.56 | kimo_no_sabe | udev provides some useful information to manually maintaining a static /dev too, if you don't want to go dynamic. |
| 03:33.26 | sourdough | kimo_no_sabe does it let you leave most of it static and untouched, while automataining some stuff like say usb crap? |
| 03:33.31 | sourdough | thats something i could go for |
| 03:33.43 | sourdough | but i don't want it fucking with things like /dev/hda* and /dev/sda* et al |
| 03:33.47 | simonrvn | heheh, funny rpm borked on 2.6 kernels |
| 03:33.56 | kimo_no_sabe | sourdough: with proper userland tools it should. Or, for the more paranoid, "what am I missing" |
| 03:33.56 | sourdough | rpm is such shit |
| 03:34.07 | sourdough | it breaks in every possible way on a regular basis |
| 03:34.53 | kimo_no_sabe | or "What is the device for this funny new thing I plugged in?" "Add: Y/N?" |
| 03:35.08 | simonrvn | heh |
| 03:36.08 | simonrvn | oh good, here comes my kernel. now for the mods |
| 03:38.13 | jholt | brb |
| 03:39.06 | simonrvn | kimo_no_sabe: that would cool. i'm with SD on the disk device /dev files not getting touched. what a PITA devfs was with that |
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| 03:45.56 | simonrvn | re |
| 03:46.58 | jholt | I can seem to figure out where this error in dmesg coming from |
| 03:47.12 | jholt | IN from bad port 64 at c014075c |
| 03:47.21 | jholt | dmesg is filled with them |
| 03:47.46 | simonrvn | that'S the beep that's fucked. ignore it. hasn't been ported |
| 03:47.53 | simonrvn | yet |
| 03:50.23 | jholt | ahh figures been spending a good amount of time trying to chase it down lol |
| 03:52.00 | simonrvn | i just error messages in google and trim it down until i start coming up with results |
| 03:52.06 | simonrvn | *stick error |
| 03:56.38 | jholt | you know whats funny moving / over to a network drive connected via 100baset will be faster than the onboard scsi |
| 03:56.53 | simonrvn | probably |
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| 04:22.58 | jholt | hrmm I may have a problem the mac which I am mving / to network drive is the networks gateway |
| 04:24.35 | simonrvn | hm |
| 04:24.37 | jholt | the mac is 192.168.0.1 and the nfs server is 192.168.0.2 will it still work? |
| 04:24.59 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 04:25.03 | simonrvn | same network |
| 04:26.49 | comar | there was a soft for playing songs, his name was xtune. but apple make them change the name of the soft. does someone know what is his name now ? |
| 04:27.12 | jholt | comar, rhythmbox? |
| 04:27.25 | simonrvn | try rhythmbox |
| 04:27.52 | chris` | If you want something near identical listen to them, go rhythmbox |
| 04:28.49 | comar | hehe. thanks |
| 04:29.44 | comar | I'm looking for something that works tonight ;) |
| 04:30.09 | chris` | I've been using it for a long time, works fine |
| 04:30.32 | comar | it'sn't packaged !!? |
| 04:30.45 | simonrvn | yes it is |
| 04:30.52 | chris` | I don't know, Apple stole my laptop 3 weeks ago |
| 04:30.58 | chris` | I haven't even gotten debian on it yet |
| 04:32.32 | jholt | how do I allow nfs to be mountible anywhere? |
| 04:33.02 | comar | apt-cache search rythmnbox doesn't show anything :-( |
| 04:33.28 | chris` | comar: "rythmbox" |
| 04:33.33 | chris` | You have to spell it correctly :) |
| 04:34.04 | comar | scuse but not more |
| 04:34.14 | comar | I tried with rythm |
| 04:34.16 | comar | ryth |
| 04:34.19 | comar | ryt... |
| 04:34.33 | chris` | oops |
| 04:34.35 | chris` | I can't spell either |
| 04:34.37 | chris` | Rhythmbox |
| 04:34.44 | jholt | rhythmbox |
| 04:35.10 | jholt | man /usr/share has alot of stuff in it |
| 04:35.19 | comar | YES ! |
| 04:36.04 | jholt | umask 000 preserves permissions when copying correct |
| 04:36.36 | simonrvn | i think so. check the docs for sure |
| 04:36.57 | sourdough | eh? |
| 04:37.05 | sourdough | no fiddling with umask isn't the way |
| 04:37.08 | sourdough | cp -a |
| 04:37.09 | sourdough | tar -p |
| 04:37.42 | jholt | I am using cp -av |
| 04:38.00 | chris` | That should preserve everything (iirc) |
| 04:39.30 | jholt | how do I set a nfs mount to be mounable anywhere? |
| 04:39.37 | jholt | +t |
| 04:41.39 | comar | WOW ! rhythmbox IS exactly what I was looking for !! thanks one more time ! |
| 04:41.57 | chris` | comar: they have a channel on gimpnet |
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| 06:48.01 | xLobeznox | hi |
| 06:48.26 | xLobeznox | 2-6 is not disponible true? |
| 06:50.24 | simonrvn | yes it is |
| 06:50.37 | xLobeznox | where can I download it |
| 06:50.57 | simonrvn | www.kernel.org, see section on mirrors |
| 06:51.06 | xLobeznox | for ppc? |
| 06:51.35 | simonrvn | there are several supported architectures in the linux kernel. ppc being one them |
| 06:51.49 | xLobeznox | mmmm |
| 06:51.56 | xLobeznox | but not behn kernel... |
| 06:52.18 | simonrvn | you'll have to rsync that. see www.penguinppc.org to see how to do that |
| 06:56.35 | xLobeznox | simonrvn: not 2.6 behn kernel |
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| 08:56.41 | tarzeau | did anyone get this on powerpc with music123: libao - OSS cannot set channels to 2, Error: Cannot open device oss. |
| 08:58.08 | sourdough | try strace and see what exactly its doing that fails |
| 09:04.05 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/people/sourdough/strace.txt |
| 09:04.23 | tarzeau | there's also nostrace.txt |
| 09:05.25 | sourdough | tarzeau it fork()s do strace -f and repost |
| 09:05.53 | tarzeau | reload |
| 09:06.17 | tarzeau | i've got debian sid with benh kernel if that helps |
| 09:06.23 | tarzeau | i know it used to work |
| 09:06.34 | tarzeau | probably it stopped working with the later libao2 driver |
| 09:06.37 | tarzeau | err library |
| 09:06.51 | sourdough | benh broke dmasound in his tree on many models |
| 09:07.00 | tarzeau | oh i haven't updated benh kernel |
| 09:07.07 | tarzeau | since i got it working long ago |
| 09:07.13 | tarzeau | Linux ibook 2.4.21-ben2 #6 Tue Jul 29 15:54:54 CEST 2003 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 09:07.21 | tarzeau | this one works very good, and i never changed it |
| 09:07.37 | tarzeau | i only updated software |
| 09:08.00 | sourdough | [pid 995] ioctl(3, SNDCTL_DSP_GETBLKSIZE, 0x1001f708) = 0 |
| 09:08.00 | sourdough | [pid 995] ioctl(3, SNDCTL_DSP_STEREO, 0x7fffd268) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
| 09:08.01 | sourdough | [pid 995] write(2, "libao - OSS cannot set channels "..., 37libao - OSS cannot set channels to 2 |
| 09:08.16 | sourdough | there is the problem, that second ioctl fails |
| 09:08.28 | tarzeau | and the software music123 doen'st check it, right? |
| 09:08.33 | tarzeau | the return codes |
| 09:08.36 | sourdough | either its botching the ioctl (doubt that) or dmasound isn't supporting it |
| 09:08.45 | sourdough | no it is |
| 09:08.46 | tarzeau | but it worked! |
| 09:08.54 | sourdough | thats why that last write() is done |
| 09:08.57 | tarzeau | true it's giving and error and returining nice |
| 09:09.00 | sourdough | when? |
| 09:09.02 | sourdough | did you change kernel? |
| 09:09.08 | tarzeau | but the same thing happens with also ogg123 |
| 09:09.17 | tarzeau | and both used to work, really i did not change the kernel |
| 09:09.19 | sourdough | yes, they both probably do the same ioctl |
| 09:09.21 | tarzeau | see it was built 29 jul |
| 09:09.32 | tarzeau | however madplay (the mp3 player) works fine |
| 09:09.40 | tarzeau | (it's not doing that ioctl, nice) |
| 09:09.41 | sourdough | well on my blue g3 there was abug in dmasound where it would randomly return crap out of ioctl |
| 09:09.58 | sourdough | sometimes it would work, others it would return bizare errors (like network errno) |
| 09:10.01 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.06 | tarzeau | the problem is this one, right? |
| 09:10.10 | sourdough | yup |
| 09:10.18 | sourdough | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.21 | sourdough | thats your return |
| 09:10.24 | sourdough | -1 == fail |
| 09:11.03 | sourdough | you run esoundd? |
| 09:11.12 | tarzeau | nope |
| 09:11.18 | tarzeau | i think i have OSS |
| 09:11.27 | sourdough | ewww your running as root? |
| 09:11.28 | sourdough | stop that |
| 09:11.35 | tarzeau | i usually run it as user |
| 09:11.43 | tarzeau | i just run it as root now |
| 09:11.51 | sourdough | getuid() = 0 |
| 09:11.53 | sourdough | bad bad bad |
| 09:11.55 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/modplugplay/ runs fine too |
| 09:12.04 | tarzeau | sourdough: i am a user usually |
| 09:12.16 | tarzeau | i just used root now, for be able to write into that directory you have access to by web |
| 09:12.20 | tarzeau | it's an nfs share |
| 09:12.29 | sourdough | groups are your friend |
| 09:12.37 | tarzeau | ok that is not my problem |
| 09:12.51 | tarzeau | it doesn't run as user, either |
| 09:12.57 | sourdough | im not sure what would make that ioctl suddlent start failing |
| 09:13.13 | sourdough | perhaps the driver corrupted itself or so.. tried removing the module and reload? |
| 09:13.37 | sourdough | or did userspace update recently? |
| 09:13.40 | tarzeau | no it started to be like this since one month or so, and today i thought i'd ask for help, maybe others have the same problem |
| 09:14.09 | sourdough | and your SURE nothing in the system changed? |
| 09:14.15 | tarzeau | only the software |
| 09:14.20 | sourdough | no kernel upgrade, no library upgrade, no upgrade of this prog? |
| 09:14.23 | tarzeau | i've done some apt-get update/ updates |
| 09:14.28 | sourdough | does the old version work? |
| 09:14.30 | tarzeau | yes sure i did upgrade software and libraries |
| 09:14.35 | tarzeau | i don't have the old versions anymore |
| 09:14.43 | sourdough | maybe it started doing this ioctl recently and that ioctl never worked |
| 09:14.52 | tarzeau | yes that is pretty much possible |
| 09:14.56 | tarzeau | i think it's that |
| 09:15.01 | sourdough | most likely |
| 09:15.05 | sourdough | try a newer kernel |
| 09:15.13 | tarzeau | which do you have? |
| 09:15.14 | sourdough | 21 is very old |
| 09:15.18 | sourdough | 2.4.23 mainline |
| 09:15.21 | sourdough | but i never use sound really |
| 09:15.23 | tarzeau | not benh? |
| 09:15.45 | sourdough | no need |
| 09:15.47 | tarzeau | when i tried to compile mainline (myself) not much worked |
| 09:15.56 | sourdough | mainline works very well |
| 09:16.01 | tarzeau | i can only compile mainline on sparc... |
| 09:16.04 | sourdough | what hardware? |
| 09:16.07 | tarzeau | ibook2 |
| 09:16.13 | tarzeau | g3 700 |
| 09:16.19 | sourdough | you might still need benh for sleep to work |
| 09:16.20 | tarzeau | x works too for you? |
| 09:16.27 | sourdough | yes |
| 09:16.31 | sourdough | i don't have laptops though |
| 09:16.52 | sourdough | i run mainline on a quicksilver g4, blue g3, and old pci g4 (penguinppc) |
| 09:16.55 | sourdough | also a 9600 |
| 09:17.16 | tarzeau | i'm not very familiar , these names don't tell me much |
| 09:17.21 | tarzeau | well i know what's g3 and g4 |
| 09:17.29 | sourdough | but benh changed dmasound after your kernel i think |
| 09:17.36 | sourdough | the fixes help some machines, but break others |
| 09:17.53 | sourdough | so i run benh dmasound on my blue g3, but mainline on the silver g4 |
| 09:18.23 | sourdough | quicksilver g4 is late 2002 model iirc |
| 09:18.24 | tarzeau | aha ok i'll try the latest benh then |
| 09:18.40 | sourdough | benh dmasound doesn't work on the quicksilver |
| 09:19.05 | sourdough | nobody understands dmasound, it crap code, nobody will work on it anymore |
| 09:19.36 | tarzeau | but sound will be supported? |
| 09:20.05 | sourdough | depends on the model |
| 09:20.20 | sourdough | benh dmasound might be better for you, or might not work, if it doesn't work swap in mainline dmasound |
| 09:20.30 | tarzeau | ok thank you |
| 09:20.31 | sourdough | its trivial drivers/sound/dmasound |
| 09:20.54 | sourdough | i suspect current benh dmasound will be better on yours |
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| 09:58.07 | tarzeau | i'm configuring benh 2.4.23-ben1 now |
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| 10:03.12 | tarzeau | how does /proc/cpufreq work? |
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| 10:34.17 | sourdough | tarzeau you can use it to control the cpu speed |
| 10:34.19 | sourdough | im not sure how |
| 10:41.46 | bighawk | hey sourdough |
| 10:43.38 | bighawk | sourdough: ybin is generating faulty bootloader code now, repeatedly |
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| 12:37.24 | Bor_Ed | No font for displaying text in encoding 'Western European with Euro (ISO8859-15)' found, but an alternative encoding 'Western European (ISO8859-1)' is available. |
| 12:37.29 | Bor_Ed | how to fix ^ ? |
| 12:42.39 | sourdough | bighawk i need more info then that |
| 12:47.50 | bighawk | sourdough: yes |
| 12:48.23 | bighawk | well, if i run ybin from the installed linux it fucks up, but i can restore it from the cdrom quite easily it seems |
| 12:48.39 | bighawk | i can perhaps get you both the working and broken scripts |
| 12:48.46 | bighawk | so you can diff them and see what's changed |
| 12:49.19 | sourdough | bighawk send me the entire bootstrap partition, the working and non-working version, preferably using mkofboot -f for each |
| 12:49.34 | bighawk | well, how do i get that? |
| 12:49.49 | sourdough | dd if=/dev/whatever of=boot.img1 |
| 12:49.57 | bighawk | yes, thought so |
| 12:49.59 | sourdough | gzip boot.img1 and send it |
| 12:50.03 | bighawk | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.08 | bighawk | ok, well, give me a few min |
| 12:50.08 | sourdough | yup |
| 12:50.13 | sourdough | your not the same guy on yaboot-users are you? |
| 12:50.18 | bighawk | no |
| 12:50.27 | bighawk | it are the same problems as before btw |
| 12:50.41 | sourdough | that guy has his fail unles he puts ofboot=hd:2 in yaboot.conf, when ofpath returns hd:2 anyway |
| 12:50.43 | sourdough | i don't get that |
| 12:50.53 | bighawk | anyway |
| 12:50.57 | bighawk | getting you the data now |
| 12:51.10 | sourdough | and what happens again? i forget |
| 12:51.12 | bighawk | first generating a broke bootstrap |
| 12:51.19 | bighawk | brb |
| 12:51.22 | sourdough | you run sid? |
| 12:52.09 | bighawk | unstable |
| 12:52.15 | bighawk | so yes |
| 12:53.28 | bighawk | ok |
| 12:53.34 | bighawk | i got a broken one now |
| 12:53.38 | bighawk | this happens: |
| 12:53.54 | bighawk | if i select any of linux/osx i get a white screen and it just hangs |
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| 12:54.06 | bighawk | i also see the ?/macos map at startup again |
| 12:54.24 | bighawk | getting you the image now, brb |
| 12:55.18 | sourdough | thats similar to what the other guy is reporting |
| 12:55.30 | sourdough | except his problem is only when selecting l |
| 12:55.36 | sourdough | he gets a white screen and nothing |
| 12:55.45 | bighawk | also |
| 12:55.52 | bighawk | this is how i restore, which always works: |
| 12:55.58 | bighawk | insert your xfs iso, boot it |
| 12:56.10 | bighawk | get into a terminal, mount my on disk linux filesystem |
| 12:56.23 | bighawk | chroot to that mountpoint |
| 12:56.27 | bighawk | mount proc |
| 12:56.32 | bighawk | run ybin -v |
| 12:56.33 | bighawk | and reboot |
| 12:56.43 | sourdough | ok thats bizzare |
| 12:56.52 | bighawk | if i do that, it works again |
| 12:56.57 | bighawk | but i still see the ?/macos map |
| 12:57.01 | sourdough | i was just going to ash what your /bin/sh was in the possiblity that Xu is breaking dash again or something |
| 12:57.13 | sourdough | but that means your userspace is identical |
| 12:57.15 | sourdough | only the kernel is different |
| 12:57.29 | bighawk | ok |
| 12:57.39 | bighawk | created the broken .img file |
| 12:57.45 | sourdough | which could only mean one of two things afaict a) your kernel is corrupting data written to /dev/hdc2 (scary) |
| 12:57.51 | sourdough | or b) its corrupting /dev/nvram |
| 12:58.33 | sourdough | and benh DOES have a bunch of nvram driver changes in his 2.4.23 tree |
| 12:59.36 | bighawk | ok |
| 12:59.45 | bighawk | generated new bootstrap stuff |
| 12:59.47 | bighawk | and getting you the working image |
| 12:59.53 | sourdough | k |
| 13:00.20 | sourdough | now try something, in normal boot if you were to run ybin -v it would break it right? |
| 13:00.31 | sourdough | try ybin -v --nonvram and see if that still breaks it |
| 13:01.02 | LarstiQ | sourdough: need more testing of ybin? |
| 13:01.06 | bighawk | right |
| 13:01.10 | bighawk | in normal boot it breaks |
| 13:01.19 | sourdough | LarstiQ i haven't touched its code in ages, its been very stable |
| 13:01.28 | sourdough | LarstiQ which is why i think something else is going on here |
| 13:01.35 | LarstiQ | k |
| 13:01.58 | sourdough | or perhaps really new OF is not liking something about the first stage script |
| 13:02.40 | sourdough | but if it were that then we wouldn't see this sometimes works sometimes not situation like this |
| 13:03.04 | bighawk | ok |
| 13:03.09 | bighawk | do you want the 2 image files now? |
| 13:03.37 | bighawk | btw |
| 13:03.54 | bighawk | need any extra info? /etc/yaboot.conf perhaps? |
| 13:04.36 | sourdough | ill have it already in these images |
| 13:04.51 | sourdough | hrm i don't have them yet no |
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| 13:05.39 | bighawk | you ll have to accept messages from non-registered users |
| 13:06.13 | bighawk | else i can't send you it |
| 13:06.18 | sourdough | umode -CE |
| 13:06.23 | sourdough | i thought you were emailing |
| 13:06.24 | sourdough | heh |
| 13:06.29 | sourdough | try now |
| 13:07.50 | jogchem | accept the broken one too :) |
| 13:09.00 | bighawk | so, what else do you need? |
| 13:10.23 | sourdough | no i see it |
| 13:10.35 | bighawk | what's wrong? |
| 13:10.39 | sourdough | what kernel version do you run on the brokenizer |
| 13:10.47 | bighawk | 2.6.0-ben1 |
| 13:10.54 | bighawk | but it happened on 2.6.0-test11-ben0 too |
| 13:11.10 | sourdough | do you get warnings from ofpath? |
| 13:11.13 | bighawk | it happened after i did a apt-get upgrade |
| 13:11.20 | bighawk | no, i dont |
| 13:11.28 | bighawk | everything looks fine |
| 13:11.44 | sourdough | do me a favor and cat /proc/device-tree/aliases/ultra1 |
| 13:11.51 | bighawk | second |
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| 13:14.14 | jogchem | damn, why doesnt bitchx have /exec -o :/ |
| 13:14.20 | sourdough | heh |
| 13:14.23 | sourdough | odd |
| 13:14.25 | jogchem | now i got to type it over |
| 13:14.35 | sourdough | try dcc that file |
| 13:14.41 | jogchem | heh |
| 13:14.45 | LarstiQ | jogchem: irssi! irssi! |
| 13:15.00 | LarstiQ | hmm, I know someone named jogchem |
| 13:15.45 | jogchem | LarstiQ: that would be possible, although there aren't too many jogchem's |
| 13:15.53 | jogchem | LarstiQ: with the g there though |
| 13:16.03 | sourdough | yes i know the problem now |
| 13:16.09 | LarstiQ | I think his last name is Poodt |
| 13:16.12 | jogchem | ah, that's nice |
| 13:16.15 | sourdough | 2.6 lacks information ofpath requires to accuratly work on your hardware |
| 13:16.35 | jogchem | well, that's odd |
| 13:16.41 | jogchem | because it used to work on 2.6.0 too |
| 13:16.52 | jogchem | with 2.6.0-test11 before the dist-upgrade i didnt have any problems |
| 13:16.53 | sourdough | 2.4 has a devspec file in /proc/ide/ |
| 13:16.57 | jholt | is it wrong to SYN Flood port scanners if you watching the logs live? |
| 13:16.59 | sourdough | yours doesn't it would seem |
| 13:17.13 | sourdough | ofpath2 will use sysfs, but thats too much to try messing with in 1.x |
| 13:17.14 | jogchem | jholt: it's pointless |
| 13:17.21 | jogchem | aha |
| 13:17.25 | jogchem | i dont have sysfs mounted |
| 13:17.45 | sourdough | that might prevent ofpath from warning you properly.. |
| 13:17.57 | jogchem | so, is there a workaround? |
| 13:18.03 | sourdough | yes |
| 13:18.19 | sourdough | mount sysfs and see if ofpath still gives ultra1 as the path, and if it still fails to warn you about it |
| 13:18.31 | jogchem | ok |
| 13:18.39 | jogchem | got to figure out how to mount sysfs though, sec |
| 13:19.20 | jogchem | ok |
| 13:19.25 | jogchem | so what do i need to run now? |
| 13:19.30 | jogchem | ofpath what? |
| 13:19.46 | sourdough | bootstra partition |
| 13:19.51 | sourdough | no i see why it doesn't warn.. |
| 13:20.05 | jogchem | shows: |
| 13:20.08 | jogchem | ultra1:2 |
| 13:20.09 | sourdough | if your disk was /dev/hda it would work |
| 13:20.13 | sourdough | which is wrong |
| 13:20.17 | sourdough | your disk is ultra0 not ultra1 |
| 13:20.25 | jogchem | ofpath /dev/hdc2 |
| 13:20.28 | sourdough | but ofpath can't tell because oyur kernel lacks necessary info in /proc/ide |
| 13:20.29 | jogchem | that's what i ran |
| 13:20.44 | sourdough | do you have an hda? |
| 13:20.47 | jogchem | no |
| 13:20.49 | {xmb} | bx does have /exec -o |
| 13:20.59 | jogchem | {xmb}: it gave no output |
| 13:21.27 | sourdough | anyway you can work around this by adding ofboot=/pci@f4000000/ata-6@d/disk@0:2 |
| 13:21.30 | {xmb} | hmmh |
| 13:21.42 | sourdough | and using OF pathes in macos* lines instead of /dev nodes |
| 13:21.58 | sourdough | macosx=/pci@f4000000/ata-6@d/disk@0:4 |
| 13:22.01 | jogchem | brb |
| 13:23.21 | jogchem | ok, changed that |
| 13:23.27 | jogchem | and reran ybin -v |
| 13:23.30 | jogchem | shall i try it out? |
| 13:25.16 | jogchem | sourdough? |
| 13:25.24 | sourdough | yup |
| 13:25.28 | jogchem | ok, brb |
| 13:26.48 | bighawk | didnt work |
| 13:26.54 | bighawk | but there is a notable difference |
| 13:27.01 | bighawk | the screenit hangs on is light gray now |
| 13:27.03 | bighawk | instead of white |
| 13:27.16 | bighawk | let me try if osx does work |
| 13:27.43 | sourdough | sure you transcribed those correctly? |
| 13:28.07 | bighawk | yes |
| 13:28.10 | bighawk | osx does boot |
| 13:28.20 | bighawk | but it wont get to the 2nd stage linux bootloader |
| 13:28.57 | bighawk | anyway |
| 13:29.01 | bighawk | are you sure it had to be :2? |
| 13:29.03 | sourdough | hmm, ill need to see the current image to se what it is |
| 13:29.03 | bighawk | not :5 ? |
| 13:29.14 | bighawk | :2 would be my bootstrap partition and :5 my linux filesystem |
| 13:29.23 | sourdough | +: bootyaboot " Loading second stage bootstrap..." .printf 100 ms load-base release-load-area " /pci@f4000000/ata-6@d/disk@0:2,\\yaboot" $boot ; |
| 13:29.30 | sourdough | thats from your working version |
| 13:29.52 | bighawk | anyway |
| 13:29.56 | bighawk | i can send you that image |
| 13:30.04 | sourdough | i think you mistyped ofboot= |
| 13:30.08 | bighawk | i ll check |
| 13:30.11 | bighawk | give me a few min |
| 13:30.43 | sourdough | what machine is this again? |
| 13:31.19 | bighawk | hmm |
| 13:31.23 | bighawk | i'm getting unstable lcd lines now |
| 13:31.31 | bighawk | with your xfsenabled cdrom |
| 13:31.34 | bighawk | didnt get that before |
| 13:32.10 | sourdough | hrm |
| 13:33.55 | bighawk | much like i got with 2.6.0-test11 before |
| 13:35.36 | bighawk | i think it's working now |
| 13:35.46 | bighawk | i indeed mistyped, i mistook device= for ofboot= |
| 13:36.16 | bighawk | yep, verified it, it's working |
| 13:37.33 | bighawk | sourdough: well, i hope the info was of any use to you then |
| 13:39.03 | sourdough | yes, ive asked benh about getting the 2.4 compat into his tree for the time being |
| 13:39.15 | sourdough | until sysfs can get fully sorted out and i can write a new ofpath |
| 13:39.46 | bighawk | but i dont understand why it used to work with 2.6.0-test11 then |
| 13:39.51 | sourdough | it would also help if he could get the devices assigned correctly.. is it hdc in 2.4 too? |
| 13:39.57 | bighawk | yes |
| 13:40.06 | sourdough | bighawk maybe he had the compat in there but removed it.. |
| 13:40.16 | bighawk | the kernel config has an option to probe for harddisks first |
| 13:40.25 | sourdough | oh wait |
| 13:40.28 | bighawk | which would assign /dev/hda to the harddrive |
| 13:40.28 | sourdough | hmm |
| 13:40.38 | sourdough | do you have /proc/ide on your current 2.6? |
| 13:40.40 | bighawk | but your kernel in the xfs image didnt have that option set |
| 13:40.49 | bighawk | and now it's too much mess to change |
| 13:40.59 | bighawk | yes i have /proc/ide |
| 13:41.58 | sourdough | where does /proc/ide/hdc point to (should be a symlink) |
| 13:42.11 | bighawk | hmm |
| 13:42.12 | bighawk | sec |
| 13:42.52 | bighawk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.17 | sourdough | ok is there a file called /proc/ide/ide1/devspec |
| 13:43.45 | bighawk | no |
| 13:43.56 | sourdough | can you find out if there was in test11 ? |
| 13:44.02 | sourdough | the lack of that file is why ofpath doesn't work |
| 13:44.11 | sourdough | it has to fall back on guessing based on /dev name |
| 13:44.12 | bighawk | not without rebuilding that kernel |
| 13:44.20 | bighawk | i dont have it anymore |
| 13:44.25 | sourdough | which won't work since your disk is not being numbered the way it should |
| 13:44.30 | sourdough | ah |
| 13:44.30 | bighawk | well |
| 13:44.35 | bighawk | you should fix your iso image then |
| 13:44.44 | bighawk | cuz that's what caused it to be wrong in the first place :P |
| 13:44.51 | sourdough | im not planning on doing more revs to that iso |
| 13:45.09 | sourdough | longterm plan is rewrite ofpath right |
| 13:45.17 | sourdough | its a huge horrible hack right now |
| 13:46.28 | bighawk | hehe |
| 13:48.06 | sourdough | 2.6 and sysfs should make it considerably easier to implement, if sysfs is sorted out yet (it wasn't recnetly) |
| 13:48.16 | sourdough | but that leaves the dilemna of what to do with 2.4 |
| 13:48.39 | sourdough | most likly ill just exec the old 1.x ofpath on 2.4 systems |
| 13:48.46 | sourdough | until nobody uses 2.4 then drop it |
| 13:49.04 | sourdough | at least initially, depends how things go |
| 13:50.29 | bighawk | heh |
| 13:50.31 | bighawk | nobody uses 2.4? |
| 13:50.40 | bighawk | you're planning 5+ years forward? |
| 13:50.46 | bighawk | (probably more) |
| 13:51.21 | sourdough | it didn't take long at all for 2.2 to get abandoned on powerpc |
| 13:51.29 | sourdough | i was the longest holdout i think |
| 13:52.50 | sourdough | most likly what will happen is ill write a quick 2.6 ofpath using sysfs, on 2.4 it will just exec the current one, that will end up in yaboot 1.x |
| 13:53.20 | sourdough | yaboot 2 will get a more complete ofpath2 which works on modern 2.4, and is roughly as compatible as current ofpath |
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| 13:54.10 | sourdough | getting a rewritten ofpath working on 2.4 as well as the current one will be quite tricky, which is something i don't want to get into with the 1.x branch |
| 13:54.44 | bighawk | isn't there a library to operate on the device tree in linux? |
| 13:54.57 | sourdough | sysfs ? |
| 13:54.59 | sourdough | yes libsysfs |
| 13:55.02 | bighawk | no idea |
| 13:55.08 | sourdough | being developed for udev |
| 13:55.12 | bighawk | solaris comes with a complete interface to work with the device tree |
| 13:55.16 | sourdough | but generally useful, ill probably end up using it |
| 13:55.23 | sourdough | OF device tree no, nothing |
| 13:55.36 | bighawk | to resolve canonical devices against open boot device pathes etc.. |
| 13:55.40 | sourdough | but really our version of the device-tree in /proc isn't terribly helpful to me anyway |
| 13:56.05 | sourdough | in SunOS they basically have the openboot device tree mounted on /devices |
| 13:56.10 | bighawk | yes |
| 13:56.30 | sourdough | and /pci@f4000000/ata-6@d/disk@0:2 would actually BE a unix device node |
| 13:56.43 | sourdough | then they run an awful script at boot that fills /dev with symlinks to /devices |
| 13:56.57 | sourdough | linxu will not ever work this way |
| 13:57.22 | sourdough | we instead export the OF device path to various devices in the sysfs nodes |
| 13:57.47 | sourdough | so your pci node in sysfs would have a devspec file containing /pci@f4000000 or so |
| 13:58.01 | bighawk | solaris has libdevinfo |
| 13:58.07 | sourdough | so it becomes a matter of mapping /dev nodes into sysfs device tree hierarchy and reading the right devspec file |
| 13:58.51 | sourdough | unfortunatly all this tends ot require driver support to get/publish OF stuff, and many kenrel hackers don't care about OF because its not the advanced x86 BIOS |
| 13:59.17 | bighawk | what's wrong with that script? |
| 13:59.26 | bighawk | which links /dev to /devices? |
| 13:59.38 | sourdough | that concept is just gross |
| 13:59.43 | sourdough | same problems as devfs |
| 13:59.46 | bighawk | i dont see why |
| 14:00.01 | sourdough | lack of persistence and such |
| 14:00.05 | bighawk | it works flawlessly and fine |
| 14:00.08 | sourdough | no abiity to control permissions etc |
| 14:00.09 | bighawk | no it's persistent |
| 14:00.20 | sourdough | also its quite OF specific, which is why it will never work/happen in linux |
| 14:00.22 | bighawk | only if you do a reconfiguring reboot it will rebuild /dev |
| 14:00.25 | sourdough | linux runs on non-OF systems |
| 14:00.26 | bighawk | ie: |
| 14:00.30 | bighawk | touch /reconfigure; reboot |
| 14:00.39 | bighawk | or reboot -- -r |
| 14:00.47 | sourdough | /devices is not a real filesystem |
| 14:00.53 | sourdough | so changing permissions there won't stick |
| 14:01.03 | sourdough | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.25 | sourdough | its moot anyway, linux will NEVER do it that way |
| 14:01.42 | bighawk | hmm, actually i think permissions to devices are done differently in solaris |
| 14:02.10 | bighawk | i'm not saying that linux should do it like that :) |
| 14:02.55 | sourdough | sysfs with devspec info in it will work quite nicely |
| 14:03.17 | sourdough | that will largly remove the need for /proc/device-tree at all |
| 14:03.24 | sourdough | ofpath will likely not need it |
| 14:03.40 | sourdough | but it would still be useful for info gathering for other purposes |
| 14:03.59 | sourdough | i want to see /proc/device-tree get the hell out of /proc though |
| 14:04.06 | sourdough | some want to see it gone altoether |
| 14:04.14 | sourdough | get all the equiv info into sysfs |
| 14:05.50 | bighawk | heh, well, as long as it works though |
| 14:05.59 | sourdough | yeah |
| 14:06.05 | bighawk | anyway, i still dont see what's wrong the solaris way :) it has been like that for ages |
| 14:06.17 | bighawk | and it always worked fine, never heard people complain about it |
| 14:06.20 | sourdough | i still need to get 2.6 running on a box to see what the situation is with sysfs atm |
| 14:06.35 | sourdough | i have heard many people complain about solaris dev |
| 14:06.55 | bighawk | i should dig into that permission issue |
| 14:07.05 | bighawk | i'm sure you can make device permissions persistent in solaris |
| 14:07.16 | sourdough | probably through some gross tar hack |
| 14:07.19 | sourdough | like linux devilfs |
| 14:07.47 | bighawk | well, even if the /devices stuff in solaris isnt as nice as it could be |
| 14:07.55 | bighawk | i'm not gonna like solaris any less because of that |
| 14:08.08 | sourdough | heh |
| 14:08.13 | bighawk | it's just rock solid and reliable, that's what counts :) |
| 14:08.15 | sourdough | i dn't know many who like solaris |
| 14:08.19 | sourdough | most like to hate it |
| 14:08.25 | bighawk | for what reasons? |
| 14:08.35 | sourdough | its userspace mainly |
| 14:08.39 | bighawk | i'ts the same with irix, most people who diss solaris or irix, just have no clue what they're talking about |
| 14:08.45 | bighawk | or it are people |
| 14:08.48 | sourdough | debian GNU/Solaris might be a hit |
| 14:08.50 | bighawk | who ran solaris 7 x86 on their old pentium 166 |
| 14:08.55 | bighawk | and complained that if felt slow |
| 14:09.00 | bighawk | and decided based on that that solaris sucks |
| 14:09.10 | sourdough | well no ive seen irix in action, its neat in ways but insane in others |
| 14:09.20 | sourdough | running X in single luser mode.. .ahem |
| 14:09.34 | bighawk | irix is pretty amazing, it's definately not great in everything |
| 14:09.42 | bighawk | but it got absolutely impressive scalability |
| 14:10.09 | sourdough | it seems to like to run every service ever invented in the entire history of unix by default too |
| 14:10.10 | bighawk | not many operating systems can drive single-kernel 1024+ processor systems efficiently |
| 14:10.23 | sourdough | sprayd, who the fuck uses that anymore? |
| 14:10.35 | bighawk | it's mostly there for backward compatability |
| 14:10.40 | bighawk | you can just disable it |
| 14:10.47 | sourdough | yeah but most don't bother |
| 14:10.57 | bighawk | dont forget that these systems often run software |
| 14:11.02 | sourdough | and get rooted seven ways to sunday |
| 14:11.02 | bighawk | from way old |
| 14:11.13 | bighawk | it's the same with many banking systems and transaction processing systems from the 70s which are still in use |
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| 14:11.42 | bighawk | they dont get replaced because they work, and because it's terribly risky, costly and time consuming to replace them |
| 14:11.50 | sourdough | yup |
| 14:11.52 | bighawk | actually |
| 14:11.56 | bighawk | irix 6.5 improved a lot |
| 14:12.05 | bighawk | security on irix pre 6.5 was pretty sad |
| 14:12.24 | bighawk | also, solaris is pretty secure |
| 14:12.42 | sourdough | a friend of mine got a irix box once, and the first thing tha~t ammused him was hte compilers inability to produce executables |
| 14:12.54 | bighawk | irix doesnt come with a compiler |
| 14:12.59 | bighawk | you have to install gcc or buy mipspro |
| 14:13.05 | sourdough | it had one |
| 14:13.07 | sourdough | but it was broken |
| 14:13.21 | bighawk | well, probably some incomplete frontend |
| 14:13.32 | bighawk | i believe my 6.5 had that too |
| 14:13.40 | sourdough | yeah isn't it irix that has that phony cc that only knows how to relink the kernel? |
| 14:13.48 | bighawk | you're supposed to buy mipspro :) |
| 14:14.03 | sourdough | he managed to get gcc on it somehow |
| 14:14.20 | bighawk | it's not hard to get gcc on it |
| 14:14.23 | bighawk | freeware.sgi.com |
| 14:14.28 | sourdough | i can't stand OSes without compilers |
| 14:14.32 | bighawk | it got lots of precompiledpackages |
| 14:14.36 | bighawk | solaris comes withut a compiler too |
| 14:14.37 | sourdough | like osx, bleahrd |
| 14:14.45 | bighawk | you ll have to install gcc |
| 14:14.47 | bighawk | or buy sun forte |
| 14:15.00 | sourdough | why /me doesn't use proprietary oses anymore |
| 14:15.05 | bighawk | both irix and solaris do come with an assembler and linker though |
| 14:15.15 | sourdough | loing ago got fed up with being told i had to pay for a damned text editor that works |
| 14:15.20 | sourdough | (macos land..) |
| 14:15.23 | bighawk | heh |
| 14:15.29 | bighawk | well, i'm not paying for anything with solaris |
| 14:15.39 | bighawk | i got a free license, and i use mostly open source software on it |
| 14:15.47 | bighawk | works great |
| 14:15.48 | sourdough | i also simply can't stand not having Free sources to everything |
| 14:15.56 | bighawk | wel |
| 14:15.59 | bighawk | i have solaris sources (legally) |
| 14:16.05 | bighawk | solaris 8 fcs |
| 14:16.10 | sourdough | but what can you do with them? |
| 14:16.18 | bighawk | look at them, rebuild the system |
| 14:16.22 | bighawk | make modifications |
| 14:16.24 | bighawk | whatever |
| 14:16.26 | sourdough | but not distribute |
| 14:16.30 | bighawk | nope |
| 14:16.40 | bighawk | but they provided very valuable |
| 14:16.44 | bighawk | in debugging code |
| 14:16.49 | sourdough | thats a totally foreign concept to me now |
| 14:16.51 | bighawk | erm, s/provided/proofed/ |
| 14:17.07 | bighawk | i dont mind it that much |
| 14:17.33 | bighawk | solaris is just a very solid system and linux just can't meet it at most points yet |
| 14:17.47 | sourdough | its good enough for me |
| 14:17.51 | bighawk | for me too |
| 14:18.08 | bighawk | but not for many enterprises |
| 14:18.20 | bighawk | did you look at solaris dtrace btw? |
| 14:18.35 | bighawk | dtrace is pretty amazing stuff |
| 14:18.41 | sourdough | dtrace, don't think so |
| 14:18.43 | bighawk | as developer you will definately like it |
| 14:18.45 | sourdough | sounds vaguly familier |
| 14:18.55 | bighawk | it's solaris dynamic tracing |
| 14:19.19 | bighawk | let me get you some example |
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| 14:20.23 | itamar | hi |
| 14:20.35 | itamar | any suggestions on how to run a java 1.4 app? |
| 14:21.02 | bighawk | http://groups.google.com/groups?q=lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=bp4fa1%24civ%241%40news1nwk.SFbay.Sun.COM&rnum=1 |
| 14:21.06 | bighawk | sourdough: take a look at that |
| 14:22.25 | bighawk | sourdough: haven't seen any system before which gives developers and system administrators such powerful system tracing in such an easy way before |
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| 14:22.48 | itamar | ooh |
| 14:22.59 | itamar | looks like IBM may have release 1.4 jdk for linuxppc |
| 14:23.16 | sourdough | bleah i hate urls that look like line noise |
| 14:23.43 | bighawk | yeah can't help it |
| 14:23.45 | bighawk | that's google |
| 14:25.13 | sourdough | interesting |
| 14:25.47 | itamar | yep |
| 14:25.50 | bighawk | also solaris new tcp/ip stack is also impressive |
| 14:25.53 | itamar | yay java 1.4 |
| 14:26.02 | bighawk | it has been rewritten to be ready for 100gbit ethernet |
| 14:26.03 | itamar | shame I can't use gcj for it though |
| 14:26.33 | bighawk | it outperforms linux tcp/ip stack significantly on exactly the same hardware and with similar loads tests showed |
| 14:27.10 | bighawk | sun "fireengine" tcp/ip stack |
| 14:27.38 | bighawk | haha |
| 14:27.44 | sourdough | thats because much of it was done in eth hardware |
| 14:27.47 | bighawk | no no |
| 14:28.00 | sourdough | thats what fireengine is |
| 14:28.00 | bighawk | well, of course, 100gbit without much in hardware is impossible |
| 14:28.08 | bighawk | but the software tcp/ip stack was drastically rewritten |
| 14:29.00 | sourdough | hrm, bbl |
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| 14:29.16 | bighawk | 100gbit ethernet with an average frame size of 1500 bytes interrupts the processor 66 million times second |
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| 15:00.35 | liiwi | bighawk: read about interrupt mitigation and NAPI |
| 15:02.00 | liiwi | linux has been doing 10gbit/s for a while already and will be doing 100gbit/s without much in hardware |
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| 15:25.44 | JimButton | hi, yesterday my kernel (2.4.23-pre5-ben0) was suddenly going crazy and i had things in the syslog like |
| 15:25.46 | JimButton | Dec 27 03:19:12 lgeyermac kernel: SysRq : HELP : loglevel0-8 reBoot tErm kIll saK showMem showPc unRaw Sync showTasks Unmount Xmon |
| 15:25.47 | JimButton | Dec 27 03:19:43 lgeyermac last message repeated 135 times |
| 15:25.59 | JimButton | shortly after that i ended up in xmon |
| 15:26.10 | JimButton | and it was dead |
| 15:26.20 | JimButton | has anybody seen that before? |
| 15:26.37 | JimButton | it is not that i pressed SysRq, or that i even know which key it is :) |
| 15:28.39 | dude | sysrq is alt+power imho |
| 15:36.37 | dude | JimButton: where you doing anything that involes hfs ? |
| 15:40.18 | JimButton | dude: no |
| 15:40.24 | JimButton | dude: i was ripping CDs |
| 15:40.29 | JimButton | and running mldonkey |
| 15:40.37 | JimButton | so the load was high and all |
| 15:40.48 | JimButton | but nothing with HFS |
| 15:41.32 | JimButton | the CD drive is external, connected with firewire |
| 15:42.15 | dude | hmm, I think it's unlikely that the kernel produces that message on it's own ... |
| 15:42.31 | JimButton | yeah, it is very strange |
| 15:42.48 | JimButton | but then, sometimes here the NumLock goes on when i play xgalaga |
| 15:42.57 | JimButton | and i never press the NumLock key |
| 15:43.02 | dude | you can't send sysreq-cmds when remotely logged in, can you ? |
| 15:43.04 | JimButton | except to turn it off again... |
| 15:43.11 | JimButton | dude: i don't think so |
| 15:43.50 | JimButton | of course it could be some kind of hardware problem |
| 15:43.53 | JimButton | with the keyboard |
| 15:44.08 | JimButton | but how can i find out? |
| 15:44.21 | dude | so the kernel probably receives some keycodes he can't handle |
| 15:45.13 | dude | did you modify your xmodmap or do you use a shipped one ? |
| 15:45.55 | dude | for hardware: you might check the connection between the keyboard and the mainboard |
| 15:46.31 | JimButton | i did not modify xmodmap, no |
| 15:46.44 | LarstiQ | does anyone have a ppc qt2-desinger binary for me? |
| 15:46.45 | JimButton | and yes, i will check the connection |
| 15:46.51 | LarstiQ | package is empty |
| 15:47.21 | JimButton | dude: my old keyboard broke when i poured beer over the laptop, and it looked quite ok after i cleaned it, visually :) |
| 15:47.43 | LarstiQ | cola does more damage |
| 15:47.48 | JimButton | dude: i think keyboard breakage can be hard to detect visually :) |
| 15:47.58 | JimButton | LarstiQ: it still was completely unusable |
| 15:48.06 | dude | note to self: don't pour beer or any fluid for that matter over my loved ibook |
| 15:48.18 | JimButton | dude: yeah, don't do it :) |
| 15:48.23 | LarstiQ | Take special care with orange juice and monitors. |
| 15:48.38 | dude | JimButton: there might be some beer left on the contacts ... |
| 15:48.42 | JimButton | dude: and if you do it, get a new keyboard from apple, don't go to computer stores, they are greedy suckers |
| 15:48.48 | LarstiQ | Unless you like to see those 'melting' screensavers irl. |
| 15:49.03 | JimButton | they wanted to charge me $200 or such for changing the keyboard |
| 15:49.13 | JimButton | and told me that the hardware is already $150 or such |
| 15:49.26 | JimButton | liars, the keyboard directly from apple was $80 or $90 |
| 15:49.34 | JimButton | and work was about 5 minutes |
| 15:49.52 | dude | eighty bucks is still alot of many for a keyboard though |
| 15:50.08 | JimButton | yes |
| 15:50.11 | JimButton | that's apple :) |
| 15:50.21 | JimButton | it is this crappy plastic ibook keyboard |
| 15:50.22 | dude | LarstiQ: there's no backspace on the tibook ? or just incorrectly mapped ? |
| 15:50.27 | JimButton | but where else would you get it? |
| 15:51.18 | dude | usual crap, no alternative to buying it from original vendor so they raise the price as they like. nevermind. capitalism i guess |
| 15:51.49 | LarstiQ | dude: the physical key broke off :) |
| 15:52.24 | dude | LarstiQ: that's too bad :-( how 'bout mapping F11 or something ? |
| 15:52.43 | LarstiQ | oh no, I'm using it fine |
| 15:52.50 | LarstiQ | the pad thingy underneath still is there |
| 15:52.55 | LarstiQ | just no covering, no big space |
| 15:54.15 | dude | apropo mapping: anybody like above average with xmodmap ? |
| 15:56.10 | LarstiQ | dude: eh? |
| 15:57.06 | dude | rephrase: I've got a question regarding xmodmap |
| 16:10.20 | LarstiQ | go ahead :) |
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| 16:17.46 | dude | on german keyboards tilde,at etc. are accessed via the meta_switch key which usually is altgr; |
| 16:18.20 | dude | I want to access those characters with the alt key |
| 16:18.38 | Bor_Ed | keycode 0x73 = Mode_switch <<-- gets apple keys to function as altgr |
| 16:19.28 | dude | I know, but then I got a tiny alt-key I need to hit far too often, so I assigned alt to the apple keys and altgr to the former alt |
| 16:19.53 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 16:20.33 | dude | so basically I need to bind alt+altgr to a single keycode |
| 16:20.58 | Bor_Ed | that oughta be interesting solution :o |
| 16:21.28 | dude | but just saying "keycode 115 = Meta_switch Alt_L" doesn't work, only the first parameter is taken (this is correct syntax, just meta_swtich,modifier etc. doesn't seem to like it) |
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| 16:22.25 | dude | easiest would be if there was a way to simply take the definitions from /etc/console/boottime.keymap.gz as I managed to get that file straight |
| 16:23.03 | dude | is there a way to tell X just to take the current (console) mappings over ? |
| 16:23.13 | Bor_Ed | not that I know ... |
| 16:23.48 | dude | well, would have been to easy I guess ;-) |
| 16:24.02 | Bor_Ed | yea :) |
| 16:24.26 | edgordon | i know this is pretty basic, but is there a trick to getting a new aluminum powerbook to boot from yaboot? i have done this a hundred times with other laptops and never had any trouble. |
| 16:24.28 | Bor_Ed | don't know wtf hosed my mailserver/client settings here, can't friggin login to service :I |
| 16:26.33 | dude | edgordon: whats the difference to the other hundred machines ? |
| 16:27.28 | edgordon | that is what I am having trouble figuring out. open firmware doesn't recognize it as a valid bootable partition. |
| 16:30.39 | dude | latest yaboot (1.3.11) ? |
| 16:31.01 | edgordon | yeah |
| 16:46.37 | dude | Bor_Ed: gimme a clue where I could get some help on xmodmap (x11-ml ?) |
| 16:47.15 | Bor_Ed | google a bit or debian online docs ? |
| 16:47.36 | dude | google I tried; where do I find the later ? |
| 16:47.44 | Bor_Ed | www.debian.org |
| 16:47.59 | Bor_Ed | you checked google groups by any change ? |
| 16:48.20 | dude | yep groups I checked |
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| 17:46.39 | jholt | well that was a nightmare but it works |
| 17:47.16 | jholt | I had reconfigure my entire network but I got nfsroot to work |
| 17:51.11 | Bor_Ed | hmm, is tbird on sid hosed or have I messed up something important (uw-imapd, exim4 and tbird)... whines that login to server failed :o |
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| 20:56.38 | ` | hi |
| 20:56.44 | ` | somebody using 2.6 kernel? |
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| 21:08.35 | dude | backtick: yep |
| 21:12.46 | dude | `: so ... ? |
| 21:22.19 | ` | dude: what kernel are you using? |
| 21:22.50 | dude | 2.6.0-ben2 on ibook 2.2 |
| 21:22.54 | bighawk | ben2? |
| 21:23.07 | dude | yep, out for 'bout 2 days now |
| 21:23.13 | bighawk | lol |
| 21:23.23 | bighawk | 2 days ago i compiled that ben1 with your help :P |
| 21:23.27 | bighawk | you should have warned me :P |
| 21:23.38 | ` | dude: where did you got it? |
| 21:23.39 | ` | please |
| 21:23.58 | dude | rsync -avz --delete source.mvista.com::linuxppc-2.5-benh <dir> |
| 21:24.11 | dude | bighawk: -ben1 works doesn't it ? |
| 21:24.16 | ` | but is 2.6 ? |
| 21:24.23 | ` | why the name is 2.6? |
| 21:24.30 | bighawk | dude: yep |
| 21:24.31 | dude | `: is 2.6 |
| 21:24.36 | bighawk | dude: works fine for evertyhing except sleep |
| 21:24.48 | bighawk | actually, i think sleep works too |
| 21:24.49 | ` | 2.6 dont sleep? |
| 21:24.59 | bighawk | dude: right now my notebook looks completely dead |
| 21:25.01 | dude | `: not with ibook g4 |
| 21:25.15 | bighawk | dude: when i start typing, it revives within 2 seconds, i actually think it's sleeping |
| 21:25.18 | ` | my ibook is G3 900mhz |
| 21:25.31 | bighawk | ah nevermind, it's not sleeping |
| 21:25.33 | dude | `: same as mine, working like a charm with 2.6 |
| 21:25.35 | bighawk | i can ping it |
| 21:25.47 | bighawk | if i can ping it, then it's certainly not sleeping |
| 21:26.09 | dude | `: ya switching 2.4 -> 2.6 ? |
| 21:26.18 | ` | dude: do you found it better than 2.4? |
| 21:26.30 | bighawk | i wonder what state it's in now |
| 21:26.54 | dude | `: scheduler is real nice: burning (without ide-scsi) while watching a movie (no skips) and everything |
| 21:27.12 | dude | `: stable as a rock too, not a single crash |
| 21:27.21 | ` | can you seeDVD with good performance ? |
| 21:27.30 | ` | I use totem but it is not perfect |
| 21:27.51 | dude | `: depends on the dvd, I still need to do some optimization |
| 21:29.00 | dude | `: 2.6 seems faster to me, I like it over 2.4 (to answer your question) |
| 21:29.14 | ` | dont understand |
| 21:29.27 | ` | too fast for you? |
| 21:29.45 | dude | what ? |
| 21:30.38 | dude | what don't you understand; 2.6 / dvd ? |
| 21:31.03 | ` | you say that with 2.6 dvd is too fast? |
| 21:31.20 | dude | no, 2.6 seems to be faster in general (my impression) |
| 21:31.32 | ` | ok |
| 21:31.45 | dude | dvd is slightly better but still not perfect (event horizon ie is nice while heat is totaly choppy) |
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| 21:52.23 | dude | bighawk: you don't do programming stuff with python by any chance ? |
| 21:53.23 | bighawk | nope |
| 21:53.39 | bighawk | C and java |
| 21:54.16 | dude | bighawk: assembly(s390),cobol,c,(python) ;-) |
| 21:54.35 | bighawk | eh? you write s390 assembly? |
| 21:54.37 | bighawk | for what? :) |
| 21:54.48 | dude | more like trying to read |
| 21:54.55 | bighawk | why would you? |
| 21:55.23 | dude | I'm working on zseries during jobs hours ... |
| 21:55.32 | dude | s/jobs/job/ |
| 21:55.46 | bighawk | doing what? |
| 21:56.09 | bighawk | what's your job? :) |
| 21:58.44 | dude | making sure people working for public services get their money; as in producing tapes that tell the bank to transfer money |
| 22:04.46 | bighawk | aha |
| 22:05.06 | bighawk | you're a payroll clerk |
| 22:05.19 | bighawk | well, or a payroll process operator :) |
| 22:05.43 | dude | kinda |
| 22:05.59 | bighawk | yep |
| 22:06.12 | bighawk | i had all that payroll stuff at univ just 2 months ago |
| 22:06.41 | bighawk | we had to make REA diagrams of payroll systems and such :) |
| 22:07.28 | bighawk | rea and dfd actually |
| 22:07.46 | bighawk | you ever work with that? |
| 22:08.15 | dude | not that I'd recall |
| 22:08.58 | bighawk | ah well, rea's are pretty relevant to payroll information systems |
| 22:09.04 | bighawk | you know what it is? |
| 22:09.19 | dude | no ... |
| 22:09.39 | bighawk | it's an ais modelling tool, resource-event-agent |
| 22:09.45 | bighawk | (ais = accounting information systems) |
| 22:10.04 | bighawk | and payroll processing is about as ais as you can go :) |
| 22:10.40 | dude | well, diff topic if you don't mind, it's weekend and I currently don't love my job like crazy ... |
| 22:10.47 | bighawk | haha |
| 22:10.51 | bighawk | i can imagine |
| 22:10.54 | bighawk | it was boring stuff :) |
| 22:11.04 | bighawk | it was for the course 'business function support' |
| 22:11.41 | dude | so you're fine with it if I blame you ? neat >:-) |
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| 22:12.31 | bighawk | ah, i remember what we had to do |
| 22:13.23 | bighawk | we had to make a redesign of a payroll information system, (one with lots of paper flow, error-prone operations and redundant data storage) into a better one :P |
| 22:13.31 | bighawk | but i ll shut up |
| 22:14.39 | bighawk | dude: but at least you get to work with interesting hardware huh? :) |
| 22:16.32 | dude | nevermind, gotta go on learning python; prep for a that job that ain't totaly demotivating |
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| 22:17.57 | bighawk | dude: heh ok, but do you like python? |
| 22:18.15 | bighawk | languages which do not allow free formatting are evil. |
| 22:18.43 | dude | well the discrepance between what compilers reads and what the human reads is gone |
| 22:19.10 | dude | you're not gone tell me you give shit 'bout intendation ? |
| 22:19.51 | dude | yep, I like python - as much as I know 'bout it so far |
| 22:21.22 | bighawk | of course i do |
| 22:21.27 | bighawk | but i like my *own* indentation |
| 22:21.44 | bighawk | and i dont like a language to push that through my throat |
| 22:22.10 | dude | python just forces you do use intendation, where's the pb with that ? |
| 22:25.46 | dude | well, it's nice not to have to allocate memory and to return strings without pointers and malloc&free 'n stuff |
| 22:29.45 | dude | that should read: and be able to return strings |
| 22:32.47 | bighawk | it's just horrible ;) |
| 22:32.56 | bighawk | languages shouldnt force you with _anything_ |
| 22:33.02 | bighawk | language should give you ultimate freedome |
| 22:33.04 | bighawk | freedom even |
| 22:33.09 | bighawk | that's why i like c so much |
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| 22:38.01 | lex | Anything particularly broken in SID? |
| 22:38.27 | lex | um...i see the topic got cut up though.... |
| 22:38.34 | Bor_Ed | thunderbird seems to be currently :I |
| 22:38.57 | lex | Im an evolution fanatic, so i can live with that |
| 22:39.14 | Bor_Ed | :) |
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