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| 00:29.22 | deathbyrice | hey sourdough |
| 00:29.53 | deathbyrice | a while ago you gave me the link to XFS stuff |
| 00:29.56 | deathbyrice | http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/XFS-debian-README.txt |
| 00:30.15 | deathbyrice | what exactly am I supposed to do with it? |
| 00:30.22 | deathbyrice | I have basedebs.tar |
| 00:30.45 | deathbyrice | I have boot-new-powermac-xfs.iso |
| 00:31.06 | deathbyrice | do I burn them both to one cd and boot from it? |
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| 00:38.53 | sourdough | deathbyrice you don't need basedebs.tar, its already on my cd |
| 00:39.10 | sourdough | burn boot-new-powermac-xfs.iso as a CD put it in and hold the C key at boot |
| 00:39.50 | deathbyrice | ok |
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| 00:58.08 | Justin_ | is there a nice place to get java? |
| 01:26.56 | Curalton | Justin_: blackdown (.com) sometimes compiles for ppc linux |
| 01:27.38 | Justin_ | yeah, i found a 1.3.x build which worked, but not the plugin |
| 01:28.01 | Justin_ | need one compiled with gcc3 and stuff, easy to find for !ppc |
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| 04:51.09 | deathbyrice | how can I install a desktop or run X windows? |
| 04:51.50 | deathbyrice | I messed around with apt but I couldn't download anymore packages |
| 04:54.11 | farruinn | what do you mean by couldn't? you've downloaded everything known to man or apt isn't working? |
| 04:54.58 | sourdough | i think apt-get install gnome kde would work |
| 04:55.43 | deathbyrice | where can I find documentation? |
| 04:55.58 | deathbyrice | would penguinppc have it? |
| 04:56.39 | sourdough | not so much on debian specifically |
| 04:56.44 | sourdough | debian.org has debian docs |
| 05:01.13 | deathbyrice | soon enough, I will have my debian cd set back from a friend. how can I take packages off of that and install them? |
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| 05:29.28 | pietvw | Howdy Guys |
| 05:29.51 | pietvw | Anybody home? |
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| 07:11.55 | skel | does apple make a tablet pc? |
| 07:12.19 | bddebppc | Yeah if you have a spare $10K laying around.. ;-P |
| 07:12.31 | bddebppc | j/k |
| 07:13.47 | skel | heh |
| 07:14.24 | skel | well for as sleek as they make their other stuff.. i'd really like to see what kind of tablet product they put out.. |
| 07:14.31 | skel | I want to get one for my wife |
| 07:14.50 | skel | she does medical research and is taking notes all day long |
| 07:15.01 | skel | a tablet pc would kick ass.. |
| 07:20.32 | bddebppc | Aye |
| 07:25.10 | skel | k night all =] |
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| 07:38.20 | CygnusElf | Hello, does anyone here know of a wireless 802.11g card that I can use under Linux on a G3? |
| 07:39.10 | sourdough | i don't think any exist |
| 07:39.21 | sourdough | the makers of that chipset refuse to release docs |
| 07:39.33 | sourdough | 802.11b will work |
| 07:39.53 | bddebppc | Heya sourdough! |
| 07:40.07 | bddebppc | Know anything about mesh giving me an error about a double DMA start?? |
| 07:41.48 | CygnusElf | That's my back-up plan, getting a prism2 card, but I wanted to know if I could get a g card first. |
| 07:42.41 | sourdough | bddebppc not that i recall |
| 07:42.51 | CygnusElf | I know there is a driver called madwifi for Atheros chipsets, and one called prism54 for some other chipset. |
| 07:43.18 | CygnusElf | I wasn't sure if these were wrappers for binary drivers though. |
| 07:44.09 | kimo_sabe | CygnusElf: madwifi is a binary goo wrapper, but Linux native. I think the guy with the NDA is willing to compile/cross-compile for whatever he can |
| 07:44.50 | CygnusElf | kimo_sabe: I guess I'll track down this guy and email him, thanks. |
| 07:53.39 | sourdough | CygnusElf your better off only using hardware with Free drivers |
| 07:54.18 | CygnusElf | If I could find any. |
| 07:55.13 | CygnusElf | I'm happy enough getting some b card with wireless drivers if that's what I end up needing. |
| 07:55.42 | bddebppc | I have an Orinoco working in my PowerBook G3 |
| 07:55.47 | CygnusElf | Incidentally, if I get a card with a prism2 chipset, would I be able to use it in Debian/ppc, OS X and OS 9? |
| 07:56.20 | CygnusElf | The only prism card I can recall seeing in local stores is the Microsoft b card. |
| 07:57.23 | CygnusElf | And a Roamabout, but I'd have to wait until I'm back in the University store for that one. |
| 07:57.35 | CygnusElf | Cabletron Roamabout, I believe. |
| 08:29.24 | CygnusElf | Does anyone know what eabi means when it comes to powerpcs? I'm looking at a list of binaries, and the only choices I have for PowerPCs are little and big-endian eabi formats. |
| 08:35.33 | sourdough | CygnusElf for what? |
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| 08:41.58 | CygnusElf | Same thing, heh. |
| 08:42.00 | simonrvn | eabi? what are talking about? |
| 08:42.07 | CygnusElf | I'm not sure. |
| 08:42.17 | CygnusElf | As far as I know, linux binaries are in ELF format, right? |
| 08:42.26 | simonrvn | so how can we try to answer you then? :) |
| 08:42.29 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:42.42 | simonrvn | nowadays.. |
| 08:43.01 | CygnusElf | Yeah, and I've heard of XCOFF, a.out and all that. |
| 08:43.12 | CygnusElf | but never eabi. |
| 08:43.35 | simonrvn | you know, that rings a bell. but in relation to what, i can't remember... |
| 08:43.43 | CygnusElf | I googled for powerpc eabi, and I'm getting a whole bunch of "How to build cross-compuiler for..." stuff. |
| 08:44.00 | simonrvn | yeh.. |
| 08:44.27 | CygnusElf | But I figure that if everything else (arm,i386,etc...) that is offered is in ELF, PowerPC should be as well. |
| 08:44.44 | simonrvn | of course =) |
| 08:45.04 | CygnusElf | G3s are little or big-endian? |
| 08:45.41 | simonrvn | i know you probably don't think this, but the other day a ignoramus said that PPC arch was dead. i went, WTF are talking about? |
| 08:45.51 | simonrvn | s/a/an/ |
| 08:46.07 | simonrvn | big, like any other PPC |
| 08:46.12 | CygnusElf | Ok. |
| 08:46.31 | CygnusElf | These binaries seem to offer eabi binaries for little-ended PPCs as well. |
| 08:46.35 | simonrvn | a lot of arches are big-endian |
| 08:46.43 | CygnusElf | I thought most RISCS were Big-endian. |
| 08:46.56 | simonrvn | afaik, all riscs are big- |
| 08:47.21 | simonrvn | thogh you get stuff like sparc-x86 and mipsel |
| 08:47.37 | CygnusElf | Anyway, I emailed the author of these binaries, hopefully he'll set me straight. |
| 08:48.18 | simonrvn | no, my bad, not sparc-x86, solaris-x86.. duh |
| 08:48.42 | CygnusElf | Are any of the embedded PPCs little-endian? |
| 08:51.25 | simonrvn | ^^ |
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| 08:53.47 | pietvw | Hi guys... |
| 08:54.06 | pietvw | Anybody Awake currently? |
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| 08:54.23 | hellish | yah |
| 08:54.50 | hellish | for some reason gdb thinks xpdf isn't an executable |
| 08:54.50 | CygnusElf | yep |
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| 08:56.13 | CygnusElf | GDB doesn't require frame-pointers and other debugging stuff in the executable, does it? |
| 08:56.41 | gpciceri | hi all, any user of iBook G4 12" (with Radeon 9200) here ? |
| 08:57.07 | gpciceri | I've to ask *specific* question on this HW |
| 08:57.15 | gpciceri | well, I'd like... |
| 08:57.52 | simonrvn | CygnusElf: no, but it certainly helps :) |
| 08:58.02 | hellish | CygnusElf: It should run, but it won't be much help |
| 08:58.44 | simonrvn | damn he's not patient.. |
| 08:58.59 | simonrvn | that pietvw dude.. |
| 08:59.14 | simonrvn | stays all of 15-20 seconds |
| 08:59.40 | hellish | he'll learn |
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| 09:00.34 | simonrvn | probably will, but it's damned annoying, you're all ready to answer the question, or get him/her to ask the question, and they leave.. |
| 09:00.56 | simonrvn | oh well |
| 09:03.33 | CygnusElf | Another, unrelated question ... what's the difference between using VARIABLE=something and export VARIABLE=something in bash? Is the first for shell scripts while the second is what I'd use interactively? |
| 09:04.41 | hellish | CygnusElf: variable=something doesn't carry beyond the current line interactively |
| 09:04.58 | CygnusElf | Okay, thanks. |
| 09:05.02 | hellish | CygnusElf: variable=something doesn't carry beyond the current script |
| 09:05.25 | CygnusElf | What is the gcc target if I'm on a PPC linux box, compiling for PPC linux? |
| 09:05.42 | CygnusElf | I know for x86 it is something like x86-linux-pc-gnu. |
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| 09:06.03 | CygnusElf | err where x is i3 ... i6 |
| 09:06.12 | simonrvn | yes, we know |
| 09:07.06 | simonrvn | powerpc-linux-gnu or some such |
| 09:07.40 | CygnusElf | Thanks |
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| 09:12.35 | CygnusElf | Hey, I figured it out. |
| 09:12.57 | CygnusElf | I got the binary driver for the wireless card I wanted working. |
| 09:13.18 | CygnusElf | That eabi seems to work under ppc, maybe it's elf under another name. |
| 09:13.49 | CygnusElf | I just had to edit a few makefiles to get the driver to run the native gcc and binutil set. |
| 09:17.54 | CygnusElf | Thanks for everything, guys. |
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| 09:40.37 | sourdough | CygnusElf i think thats just the ABI type used |
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| 11:27.48 | sourdough | simonrvn nugg got to be a pain in the ass again? |
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| 11:30.40 | simonrvn | yup |
| 11:32.31 | RQ | heya |
| 11:32.50 | RQ | MC&HNY |
| 11:33.30 | drbyte | anyone have gnome 2.5 debs out there? |
| 11:34.04 | drbyte | or is the best way to build it install gargnome and continue (to let my iBook be unusable for a long period of time) |
| 11:36.04 | RQ | drbyte: what's wrong with 2.4? |
| 11:36.36 | simonrvn | he wants to be 733+ |
| 11:37.35 | RQ | ho |
| 11:37.37 | RQ | oh |
| 11:38.50 | simonrvn | ohohohoho |
| 11:38.52 | simonrvn | :P |
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| 11:41.23 | RQ | ;))))) |
| 11:41.27 | RQ | sclaus |
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| 12:01.03 | simonrvn | * Undocument the restriction on loading both freetype and xtt modules in |
| 12:01.03 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.06 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.08 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:47.56 | sourdough | simonrvn 4.3 in sid? |
| 13:02.37 | liiwi | not just yet |
| 13:02.58 | liiwi | little birds say that next upload will go to sid |
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| 13:24.40 | sourdough | thats good |
| 13:24.56 | sourdough | too bad 4.3 still isn't enough for most of the current apple stuff |
| 13:25.10 | bighawk | nope :/ |
| 13:25.26 | bighawk | why is debian being so terribly slow with xfree anyway? |
| 13:25.29 | bighawk | it's kinda annoying |
| 13:25.45 | bighawk | i mean, for stable i can imagine.. but that sid only gets 4.3 now.. |
| 13:26.51 | sk1p_ | bighawk: xfree upstream development only effectly supports x86, they port it to all the other archs... |
| 13:27.27 | bighawk | xfree86 runs natively on osx |
| 13:28.07 | sourdough | bighawk not from xfree.org tarballs i bet |
| 13:28.17 | bighawk | yes those |
| 13:28.25 | bighawk | xfree86 from xfree86.org runs natively on osx/ppc |
| 13:28.30 | sourdough | well that still doesn't help the other 11 archs debian has ot support |
| 13:28.53 | bighawk | but how come that for other linux distributions |
| 13:29.03 | bighawk | do get much newer xfree versions in their non-x86 trees? |
| 13:29.38 | sourdough | because they don't have 11 archs |
| 13:29.52 | sourdough | name one other linux dist wiht 11 archs that gets xfree faster then debian |
| 13:30.09 | bighawk | dunno |
| 13:30.16 | sourdough | there are none |
| 13:30.26 | bighawk | doesnt make it less annoying |
| 13:32.46 | sourdough | does make it immune to bitching though |
| 13:32.56 | bighawk | heh |
| 13:33.20 | sourdough | im not sure what netbsd does, they are hte only other thing supporting as many archs as debian i think, my guess is they don't bother to support X on most of them |
| 13:33.31 | bighawk | they support more than debian |
| 13:33.34 | bighawk | more archs |
| 13:33.44 | bighawk | i think they dont support xfree on everything |
| 13:33.54 | bighawk | netbsd ports aren't identical |
| 13:35.11 | sourdough | theres the difference, debian ports are identical |
| 13:35.26 | sourdough | asside from arch specific programs like bootloaders |
| 13:35.29 | bighawk | yes |
| 13:35.43 | bighawk | maybe they should allow ports to be different |
| 13:35.51 | sourdough | i think thats a big advantage to debian, the ports are the same |
| 13:36.09 | bighawk | x86 is by far the biggest port for debian, and i think many x86 users would be annoyed by having to wait so long |
| 13:36.24 | bighawk | for the last 3 obscure architectures only a very small minority uses debian on |
| 13:36.27 | sourdough | if you allow them to be different then the whole lot of archs won't be supported in a reasonable way anymore |
| 13:36.36 | sourdough | since lazy ass developers will just say `screw all !x86' |
| 13:36.38 | bighawk | well, you can keep them very much the same |
| 13:36.53 | bighawk | as in, there wont be substantial differences in usage for aving xfree 4.3 in most ports |
| 13:36.55 | bighawk | and xfree 4.1 in some |
| 13:36.58 | bighawk | would there? |
| 13:37.12 | sourdough | yes |
| 13:37.24 | bighawk | like? |
| 13:37.26 | sourdough | it would be a massive can of worms |
| 13:37.39 | sourdough | library differences, build-time dependency differences etc |
| 13:37.46 | sourdough | configuration differences |
| 13:38.16 | sourdough | the biggest reason not to do that would be that debian would rapidly become effectivly x86 only |
| 13:38.24 | sourdough | since the other ports would be broken and useless |
| 13:38.33 | sourdough | by forcing them the same you keep them useful |
| 13:39.01 | bighawk | hmm, well |
| 13:39.06 | sourdough | and there are plenty of x86 only forks of debian to use if you don't like that |
| 13:39.12 | bighawk | the problem with debian is, that you're kinda stuck with it |
| 13:39.37 | bighawk | as, you can not easily replace the standard xfree package and install your own newer xfree |
| 13:43.14 | sourdough | you can't easily do that on any system |
| 13:43.21 | simonrvn | see, that's why we use debian, it's the best IOO, and there's all those arches in it. so we could install debian woody on an imac say, and a IIci, and get pretty much the same thing (almost exactly), and not have to worry about whether or not the software for the IIci is going t be as up to date as for the imac |
| 13:43.30 | sourdough | oh and debian does a fuckload more bug fixing then anyone else does on it |
| 13:43.38 | sourdough | just look at all the patches in debian/ |
| 13:43.45 | simonrvn | oh yeh hehe |
| 13:44.08 | sourdough | and as i recall one of the major architecture changes of X4 was driver modules |
| 13:44.15 | simonrvn | yup |
| 13:44.21 | sourdough | so you didn't NEED to upgrade the whole fucker to get new drivers |
| 13:44.41 | sourdough | and someone already has backported the 4.4 drivers to 4.3, just not for !x86 |
| 13:48.05 | simonrvn | later folks |
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| 14:08.23 | drbyte | RQ: just wanna try 2.5. well, i guess i'll just gargnome it |
| 14:10.17 | RQ | :) |
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| 14:28.40 | Bor_Ed | hmm, everyone has read the /. opteron/g5 comparasion(sp) already ? |
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| 14:33.23 | bighawk | what was the outcome? |
| 14:33.56 | Bor_Ed | g5 beats in all but photoshop |
| 14:34.20 | Bor_Ed | and g5 was $600 cheaper on total :) |
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| 14:36.01 | dude | opteron faster with ut2k though |
| 14:36.01 | bighawk | well |
| 14:36.05 | bighawk | opteron is a server processor |
| 14:36.16 | bighawk | also g5 is only sold by apple |
| 14:36.17 | Bor_Ed | so is 970... |
| 14:36.20 | bighawk | and apple makes no real servers |
| 14:36.36 | Bor_Ed | xserve ? |
| 14:36.38 | bighawk | if you want a 8-way 64bit server in the cheap/affordable price range |
| 14:36.49 | bighawk | you're stuck with opteron |
| 14:36.53 | bighawk | (or ultrasparc3i) |
| 14:37.05 | Bor_Ed | how about ibm pseries or sun systems ? |
| 14:37.08 | bighawk | oh that's not 8 way, just 4 way :) |
| 14:37.20 | bighawk | highend ibm and sun is more expensive than opteron |
| 14:37.40 | bighawk | g5 and opteron are both "low end" 64bit processors |
| 14:37.50 | Bor_Ed | dunno when you check bang for a buck on ready sys |
| 14:38.05 | Bor_Ed | yea |
| 14:38.20 | Bor_Ed | power4 would be something on desktop :P |
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| 15:25.18 | deathbyrice | can someone help me out with installing packages through apt-get? |
| 15:25.29 | deathbyrice | where can I find a list of available packages? |
| 15:25.46 | Bor_Ed | apt-cache search <appname or description>|less |
| 15:26.00 | Bor_Ed | or http://packages.debian.org for browser interface |
| 15:27.01 | deathbyrice | I tried to use "|less" earlier, bash returned that it wasn't recognized |
| 15:27.15 | deathbyrice | I only have 'more' |
| 15:27.26 | deathbyrice | can I get 'less' with apt-get? |
| 15:27.29 | Bor_Ed | apt-get install less |
| 15:27.33 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 15:28.37 | deathbyrice | do you know the name of the package for X Windows? |
| 15:29.04 | Bor_Ed | x-window-system on sid |
| 15:29.45 | Bor_Ed | on woody you need to install several packages, xserver-xfree86 , xserver-common, xserver-clients or so |
| 15:31.35 | deathbyrice | is there an online list where I can find a list of recommended packages for woody? |
| 15:32.18 | Bor_Ed | packages.debian.org should give some pointers |
| 15:32.34 | deathbyrice | it was down when I checked a few minutes ago |
| 15:33.19 | Bor_Ed | hmm, try apt-cache show xserver-xfree86 (it shows recommended packages) |
| 15:34.49 | deathbyrice | another thing, how can I install from cd? |
| 15:35.30 | deathbyrice | I bought the cd set but the installer wouldn't work so I dled the xfs boot floppies |
| 15:35.31 | Bor_Ed | apt-get should ask you for right cd(s) |
| 15:35.40 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 15:35.57 | Bor_Ed | you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list to enable the cds |
| 15:36.44 | deathbyrice | how would I do that? |
| 15:37.00 | deathbyrice | I'm guessing I wouldn't just add the line "enable cd" |
| 15:37.14 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 15:37.23 | dude | apt-cdrom add |
| 15:37.34 | Bor_Ed | thanks :P |
| 15:37.45 | deathbyrice | thanks |
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| 15:58.36 | RQ | :)) |
| 15:58.53 | RQ | that was a good approach |
| 16:04.08 | dolphy | lol |
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| 17:27.04 | spacecowboy | whaddup playas |
| 17:27.06 | spacecowboy | lol |
| 17:30.13 | dude | spacecowboy: how come you always lol when entering. I find that very suspecious ;-) |
| 17:30.41 | spacecowboy | i crack myself up |
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| 17:34.01 | deathbyrice | I need some help with X. Every time I run startx, it tells me that there was a fatal error |
| 17:34.20 | deathbyrice | the error was "no screens detected" |
| 17:34.53 | deathbyrice | what should I do about this? |
| 17:34.56 | bddebppc | Have you checked the log to see what is failing? |
| 17:35.07 | deathbyrice | yes |
| 17:35.21 | bddebppc | So what is failing? :-) |
| 17:35.39 | deathbyrice | the only thing I could really understand was that no screens were detected |
| 17:35.57 | dude | grep \(EE\) /var/log/XFree* |
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| 17:46.27 | tarzeau | who did i talk to about my ogg/sound problem with benh 2.4.21? |
| 17:46.40 | tarzeau | the same problem did not disappear with 2.4.23 benh1 |
| 18:00.16 | Bor_Ed | demon: seems that even woody has x-window-system metapackage, just install that |
| 18:00.25 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 18:00.27 | Bor_Ed | nm |
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| 18:13.38 | spacecowboy | hmm |
| 18:14.18 | spacecowboy | tarzeau do you have 2.4.23-ben1? |
| 18:14.27 | tarzeau | yep |
| 18:14.33 | spacecowboy | is xfs merged ? |
| 18:14.35 | tarzeau | Linux ibook 2.4.23-ben1 #7 Sat Dec 27 11:20:38 CET 2003 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 18:14.43 | tarzeau | i have no idea |
| 18:14.49 | spacecowboy | can you check..? |
| 18:14.53 | tarzeau | how? |
| 18:15.02 | spacecowboy | tarzeau do a make menuconfig and look under teh FS |
| 18:15.04 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 18:15.21 | tarzeau | one moment |
| 18:15.49 | spacecowboy | ok :) |
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| 18:16.18 | tarzeau | nope i couldn't find it |
| 18:16.26 | spacecow1oy | hrm... |
| 18:16.32 | spacecowboy | thats not cool |
| 18:16.47 | spacecowboy | tarzeau well nevermind then |
| 18:16.48 | spacecowboy | anyways |
| 18:16.55 | spacecowboy | you had a problem? |
| 18:17.03 | tarzeau | spacecowboy: not so far |
| 18:17.11 | tarzeau | spacecowboy: well my sound, music123/ogg123 don't work anymore |
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| 20:14.05 | spacecowboy | tarzeau what happened? |
| 20:14.20 | spacecowboy | tarzeau what happened? |
| 20:16.13 | tarzeau | where? |
| 20:16.17 | tarzeau | no idea |
| 20:16.24 | tarzeau | ogg123 just doens't work see here |
| 20:16.47 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/people/sourdough/ |
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| 20:46.46 | spacecowboy | x/quit |
| 20:54.08 | ` | http://dri.freedesktop.org/~daenzer/debian/dri-trunk-sid/ <-- is posible to download freedesktop from here? |
| 20:54.36 | simonrvn | that's for DRI, for some video cards |
| 20:54.52 | ` | for some videocards? |
| 20:55.12 | ` | well, I upgraded xserver from there, I use dri too |
| 20:55.16 | ` | for my ATI |
| 20:56.32 | simonrvn | yeh, you can use that for atis |
| 20:56.44 | ` | I use xserver fri.. |
| 20:56.48 | ` | dri |
| 20:57.01 | ` | but I dont understand why is in freedesktop.org |
| 20:57.12 | sk1p | they mirror his work |
| 20:57.31 | sk1p | as the people.debian.org server was down for some time, after the compromise |
| 20:58.04 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 20:59.49 | ` | :-) |
| 20:59.50 | ` | ok |
| 21:32.58 | jc|ibook | dudes i need a ppc assembler tutorials |
| 21:33.10 | jc|ibook | dummy proof pleez :D |
| 21:33.46 | dude | jc|ibook: www.programmingtutorials.com ? |
| 21:34.07 | jc|ibook | heh |
| 21:35.20 | dude | it's supposed to be tmp |
| 21:38.01 | ` | somebody is using ALSA in the ibook? |
| 21:39.27 | dude | yes ... |
| 21:39.40 | simonrvn | @polls |
| 21:39.41 | ravenbird | "Does anyone have X or Y?" is taking a a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or our army of rabid weasels will hurt you. |
| 21:40.53 | ` | dude: you are using alsa? |
| 21:41.01 | dude | no |
| 21:41.05 | dude | scnr |
| 21:41.13 | dude | oh my god |
| 21:41.46 | jc|ibook | umm and there is also no nasm on ppc |
| 21:41.49 | jc|ibook | what to use then |
| 21:42.01 | sk1p | gas |
| 21:42.03 | jc|ibook | anybody has asm knowledge on ppc here |
| 21:43.46 | bighawk | masm = x86 only |
| 21:43.56 | bighawk | there's as |
| 21:50.45 | jc|ibook | humm |
| 21:50.48 | jc|ibook | i dont get as |
| 21:50.49 | jc|ibook | :P |
| 21:52.08 | dude | as is the gnu compiler, gcc produces asm output and feeds it to as |
| 21:52.50 | sk1p | jc|ibook: just do gcc -o test test.S and gcc will assemble&link for you ;) |
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| 21:53.19 | jc|ibook | how do i compile an as program? |
| 21:53.41 | jc|ibook | i know that gcc produces asm files |
| 21:54.12 | jc|ibook | http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-ppc/ |
| 21:54.30 | sk1p | gcc invokes as for you, so put your assembly into a file like test.S and run gcc, and you're done ;) |
| 21:54.55 | jc|ibook | ah |
| 21:56.37 | dude | think of gcc as a wrapper (kinda); it looks at the input and calls the apropriate app (compile=gcc,asm=as,link=ld) |
| 22:13.56 | simonrvn | iow, gcc calls binutils binaries as need be |
| 22:16.01 | jc|ibook | yes |
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| 22:19.45 | ` | hi |
| 22:19.55 | ` | can I paste an error that i have compiling kernel |
| 22:19.58 | simonrvn | get a real nick :) |
| 22:20.37 | ` | simonrvn: can you help me with the error please |
| 22:22.26 | simonrvn | just ask the question :) |
| 22:23.02 | ` | is not posible without pasting the error |
| 22:23.17 | simonrvn | paste it in #flood |
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| 22:50.17 | xLobeznox | simonrvn: I dont know why I must enable i20 |
| 22:50.33 | simonrvn | i20 isn't i2c |
| 22:53.28 | xLobeznox | where is i2c? |
| 22:54.44 | simonrvn | in the character devices -> i2c support |
| 22:55.25 | xLobeznox | oh |
| 22:55.26 | xLobeznox | ok |
| 23:00.45 | jc|ibook | humm i only found 2 tutorials so far |
| 23:00.51 | jc|ibook | there are not soo easy |
| 23:00.59 | jc|ibook | s/there/they |
| 23:01.20 | simonrvn | asm is opaque, at least to me. it's really low-level stuff |
| 23:02.02 | jc|ibook | i dont want to use it for serious work |
| 23:02.41 | sk1p | jc|ibook: you can learn it by compiling c programs and disassembling them using objbump |
| 23:06.55 | jc|ibook | ah thx |
| 23:06.59 | jc|ibook | i didnt know this tool |
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