| 00:02.07 | drwarner | any suggestions? |
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| 01:48.50 | jjbenham | is anything special needed to play dvd |
| 01:49.00 | jjbenham | dvd's in debian |
| 01:51.22 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: just the css-bit that isn't in the dist |
| 01:53.53 | jjbenham | I ran that script I believe but I still can't seem to play dvd. I have the 2.6 kernel. I don't need ide-scsi do I? Can I do it with normal atapi? |
| 01:57.06 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: what are you using? |
| 01:57.52 | jjbenham | atapi |
| 01:58.04 | jjbenham | I do not have ide-scsi loaded or in use |
| 01:58.06 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: what program |
| 01:58.15 | jjbenham | I tried xine and ogle |
| 01:58.51 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: what does xine say? |
| 01:59.55 | jjbenham | source can't be read. maybe you don't have the rights or there is no data on the disk |
| 02:00.10 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: do you have read-write access to /dev/dvd? |
| 02:00.25 | jjbenham | I was running it as su |
| 02:00.46 | jjbenham | in plugin is listen various .so files that were missing. |
| 02:01.05 | jjbenham | where is xine-dvdnav plugin? I did apt-cache search xine and it was not listed |
| 02:02.18 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: it's not separate anymore |
| 02:03.55 | jjbenham | oh. so its now merged into xine? Has it been disabled in debian? |
| 02:04.21 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: yes, no |
| 02:06.46 | jjbenham | Error cracking CSS key for /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.VOB (0x00007440) |
| 02:06.53 | jjbenham | this one of the errors I get |
| 02:07.19 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: and did that magic script actually do anything? |
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| 02:07.44 | jjbenham | no, I dont' think so. I should rerun it if I new where it was |
| 02:14.11 | jjbenham | I found the script I will try to rerun it to see if that helps |
| 02:14.15 | jjbenham | usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh |
| 02:15.37 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: hmm, looks like there are ppc packages. Good |
| 02:20.08 | myXtie | what I want to know is why libggi depends on xwindows...where is svgalib .deb for direct rendering and with mplayer ( if the mplayer bums would get off their high horse ) it would be great |
| 02:22.39 | jjbenham | kimo_sabe: it did not seem to help though. It complained that it cound not decrypt the cd. |
| 02:22.51 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: try another dvd |
| 02:24.59 | jjbenham | ok |
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| 02:33.07 | jjbenham | when I run xine it the plugin trace says it cant fine all these files i/usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.0/n |
| 02:33.13 | jjbenham | which I know they are in there |
| 02:35.32 | zorton | who is most activly working onubus machines? |
| 02:35.44 | zorton | is mklinux even viable anymore? |
| 02:36.57 | jjbenham | I don't think those .so files are related though. I realize that most of the were visualization plugins |
| 02:39.25 | myXtie | zorton: I'm on newbus 601 ppc 6116cd performa mac |
| 02:39.59 | myXtie | It is a monolithic kernel here with mach headers mixed with linux |
| 02:40.30 | myXtie | you need the mach patch to compile |
| 02:40.40 | zorton | interesting |
| 02:40.48 | zorton | i've got a whole closet full of 7100's that I would like to fire up with linux |
| 02:41.24 | myXtie | zorton they would screem ...(fast) |
| 02:43.32 | zorton | myXtie: any good pages on nfo? |
| 02:44.27 | jjbenham | kimo_sabe: I found dvd that will play. It takes like 100% of my cpu at 533 mhz. I need to juice it to 867. |
| 02:44.46 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: nFunk video? |
| 02:44.53 | jjbenham | I wonder how do I get more dvd's to play |
| 02:45.17 | jjbenham | kimo_sabe: nFunk video? It was Final Fantasy the spirit within |
| 02:45.30 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: the video chip |
| 02:46.23 | kimo_sabe | had at least... |
| 02:47.04 | myXtie | zorton : http://nubus-pmac.sourceforge.net/ will get you started |
| 02:49.13 | zorton | got it |
| 02:49.28 | zorton | so I would just patch a ppc kernel with a mach patch? |
| 02:49.43 | zorton | is it binary compatable with the other ppc binaries out there? |
| 02:50.24 | jjbenham | kimo_sabe: nFunk == 'nVidia' |
| 02:50.26 | jjbenham | ? |
| 02:50.28 | myXtie | yes it is binary compatible i'm on debian |
| 02:50.49 | myXtie | the same debs run on my G-4 cube too |
| 02:50.56 | zorton | cool |
| 02:52.08 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: yes |
| 02:52.25 | jjbenham | kime_sabe: then yep I have a nFunk |
| 02:52.36 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: that's not helping the playback speed |
| 02:53.16 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: xvinfo say anything? |
| 02:54.08 | jjbenham | kimo_sabe: since you also have an nFunk card. is that why I see rings on image files of high color depth. I am running x in 24 bit color but I still see funny rings on many images that appear crystall clear in osX and other computers |
| 02:54.46 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: I have no such abomination. I've got a Radeon in here and a Rage128 in my iBook |
| 02:55.55 | jjbenham | kimo_sabe: you asked what xvinfo reads. It reads a bunch of stuff what in paticular are you asking for? |
| 02:57.07 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: well, it's not nothing. It shouldn't be hurting the playback speed too much |
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| 04:01.56 | myXtie | zorton : I would use sourdough's http://www.penguinppc.org/~eb/files/ new iso's you still need the special kernel and installer from nubus-pmac site but sourdough's base is better than the standard woody debian install iso |
| 04:03.46 | myXtie | netinstall cd iso that is |
| 04:04.30 | simonrvn | agreed |
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| 04:05.12 | vash_ | any alsa experts here? |
| 04:05.36 | vash_ | can anyone help me setup a G3 with alsa? |
| 04:05.48 | simonrvn | @tell vash_ about ask |
| 04:06.15 | vash_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.36 | vash_ | how do i reconfigure alsa for the PowerPC G3 soundcard? |
| 04:06.44 | simonrvn | as in, read what the bot told you. guidelines on how to ask so people don't look at you funny |
| 04:06.48 | vash_ | it appears that i selected the wrong card and cannot reconfigure alsa |
| 04:06.57 | vash_ | also, which card should i select for the G3? |
| 04:07.02 | simonrvn | powermac |
| 04:07.17 | vash_ | how do i reconfigure alsa |
| 04:07.19 | vash_ | ? |
| 04:07.29 | simonrvn | that driver is a 'meta-driver'. contains several chipsets |
| 04:07.45 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure alsa maybe |
| 04:07.58 | simonrvn | or alsa-base, pick one |
| 04:13.54 | sourdough | myXtie all the sources for it are availble there too, as are binary floppy images |
| 04:15.08 | myXtie | sourdough : you want me to make you a newbus-kernel to put on one ;) |
| 04:15.39 | myXtie | j/k |
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| 04:16.40 | vash_ | alsa continually fails to load the powermac driver for my g3 |
| 04:17.33 | vash_ | i've apt-get installed everything alsa related |
| 04:17.40 | vash_ | selected powermac as the module to load at boot |
| 04:17.48 | vash_ | and it still fails to load |
| 04:19.28 | sourdough | myXtie heh |
| 04:19.44 | sourdough | myXtie im not terribly interested in doing much more with that installer |
| 04:20.10 | sourdough | main reason for that last one was SCrOtum |
| 04:21.36 | vash_ | does anyone have a PowerPC G3 here? |
| 04:21.41 | sourdough | a blue one |
| 04:21.52 | sourdough | but i don't use alsa |
| 04:21.58 | sourdough | because i don't use 2.6 yet |
| 04:21.59 | vash_ | how do you obtain sound? |
| 04:22.05 | vash_ | i'm on 2.4 sarge |
| 04:22.07 | sourdough | yes from external speakers only |
| 04:22.08 | vash_ | not 2.6 |
| 04:22.19 | vash_ | ALSA seems to fail to load the module |
| 04:22.38 | sourdough | don't know about alsa, except that its really for 2.6, not 2.4 |
| 04:22.54 | vash_ | i've used alsa and 2.4, but on x86 not PPC |
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| 04:34.06 | myXtie | vash : I see that 2.6 kernel is oss api emulation in other words you think you are running oss but you are running alsa ( i know your on 2.4 ) anyway |
| 04:34.36 | myXtie | i run 2.6 with alsa .. |
| 04:35.03 | vash_ | so my best chance of getting sound working with alsa is to upgrade to 2.6? |
| 04:35.20 | sourdough | or just use dmasound |
| 04:35.32 | vash_ | dmasound is a module in alsasound? |
| 04:35.36 | sourdough | no |
| 04:35.40 | vash_ | or is that a module in the kernel? |
| 04:35.42 | sourdough | its the standard driver in 2.4 |
| 04:35.43 | myXtie | well the plugins for like alsaplayer would be oss plugins |
| 04:35.46 | sourdough | not alsa |
| 04:36.26 | sourdough | it sucks and on blue g3s you need some patches from benh's tree to keep the ioctls from randomly returing garbage |
| 04:36.30 | sourdough | but it does work |
| 04:37.01 | myXtie | use dmasound vash I don't see an impovement to 2.4 |
| 04:37.33 | vash_ | how do i load the dmasound driver? |
| 04:37.34 | vash_ | insmod? |
| 04:37.38 | simonrvn | modprobe |
| 04:38.41 | sourdough | on blue its dmasound_awacs i think |
| 04:39.21 | vash_ | shoot, i don't even know the color of this box |
| 04:39.23 | vash_ | i'm a bit color blind |
| 04:39.32 | vash_ | this g3 was a freebit with os 8.6 |
| 04:39.38 | vash_ | that thing crashed like win95 |
| 04:41.40 | simonrvn | dmasound_pmac, _core |
| 04:41.46 | vash_ | yay |
| 04:41.49 | vash_ | dmasound worked |
| 04:41.56 | vash_ | now i need to get that working with my normal user, not root |
| 04:42.04 | vash_ | and load it at runtime |
| 04:42.06 | simonrvn | adduser user audio |
| 04:42.11 | vash_ | and remove alsa |
| 04:42.14 | simonrvn | log out completely |
| 04:42.32 | vash_ | how do i get it to load on runtime? |
| 04:42.35 | simonrvn | speaking of which.. |
| 04:42.39 | vash_ | add the names to modules.conf |
| 04:44.09 | vash_ | how do i load modules at boot? |
| 04:44.16 | simonrvn | ...and logs back in |
| 04:44.20 | simonrvn | /etc/modules |
| 04:44.25 | comar | vash_: you can use modconf |
| 04:44.44 | simonrvn | one per line, no .o |
| 04:45.30 | vash_ | with modconf, i see what's installed |
| 04:45.36 | vash_ | the necessary g3 stuff is there |
| 04:45.41 | vash_ | is that loaded on boot? |
| 04:45.42 | comar | with lsmod too ;) |
| 04:46.03 | comar | yoou have to try |
| 04:46.12 | comar | I think so ;) |
| 04:46.36 | sourdough | unfortunatly editing /etc/modules.conf is a waste of time, debian scribbles it on every boot |
| 04:46.51 | sourdough | you must edit files in /etc/modutils/ |
| 04:47.35 | vash_ | what do i mod in modutils? |
| 04:47.55 | sourdough | vash_ if the box has handles on all for corners (a tower type box) its a blue g3 |
| 04:48.09 | sourdough | vash_ there are several files in /etc/modutiles |
| 04:48.25 | sourdough | they are all concatentated together in some manner to create /etc/modules.conf |
| 04:48.35 | sourdough | you probably want the aliases file in there |
| 04:48.35 | simonrvn | update-modules edits modules.conf |
| 04:48.44 | sourdough | s/edits/overwrites/ |
| 04:48.54 | sourdough | its a longstanding debian policy violation |
| 04:49.06 | comar | I always use modconf without problems |
| 04:49.13 | comar | in 2.4 |
| 04:49.33 | sourdough | comar modconf doesn't have much, if anything, to do wiht modules.conf, it edits /etc/modules |
| 04:49.40 | vash_ | i'm in the alias file |
| 04:49.50 | vash_ | i don't see any reference to the sound modules |
| 04:49.59 | sourdough | vash_ you shoudn't need to mess with it |
| 04:50.03 | vash_ | ok |
| 04:50.09 | sourdough | vash_ just add the module name you loaded to /etc/modules |
| 04:50.09 | vash_ | i'll try to reboot and see what happens |
| 04:50.11 | sourdough | without the .o |
| 04:50.14 | sourdough | and it will load on boot |
| 04:50.15 | comar | sourdough: vash just want some modules to be charged at boot no? |
| 04:50.22 | sourdough | yup |
| 04:50.28 | sourdough | but he is confused by modconf |
| 04:50.41 | sourdough | it contains too many options |
| 04:50.52 | comar | waw ;) |
| 04:51.16 | vash_ | ok |
| 04:51.20 | vash_ | added the lines to /etc/modules |
| 04:51.23 | vash_ | brb |
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| 04:57.06 | vash_ | yay |
| 04:57.08 | vash_ | sounds works |
| 04:57.12 | vash_ | thanks for the help |
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| 04:58.51 | skel | should my config from my 2.6 test9 work ok with 2.6.0-ben3? |
| 05:00.51 | sourdough | skel should, does 2.6 still have make oldconfig ? |
| 05:03.12 | skel | im not sure what oldconfig is.. are you reffering to /proc/config.gz? |
| 05:04.16 | skel | i mean from test9 to official release.. wasn't it mainly bug fixes? no new features where allowed after test5 i thought.. |
| 05:05.47 | skel | anytime I have my laptop unplugged.. instead of going into suspend mode.. it completely powers off.. doesn't even boot down.. just ZAP and its off.. =[ |
| 05:05.54 | skel | hoping it was a kernel thing.. |
| 05:05.55 | myXtie | sourdough yes 2.6 has make oldconfig and it works |
| 05:06.43 | sourdough | skel no |
| 05:07.02 | sourdough | make oldconfig uses the existing .confg and only asks you about new options |
| 05:07.36 | skel | sourdough: can you use that with menuconfig? |
| 05:08.32 | skel | i guess there's not really a man page for oldconfig options |
| 05:08.46 | skel | thats cool though.. neat option |
| 05:12.07 | skel | hmm there is no way to combine menuconfig and oldconfig is there? |
| 05:12.38 | myXtie | do oldconfig first then menuconfig |
| 05:12.46 | myXtie | skel : I guess if you have any form of 2.6 running you have module-init-tools |
| 05:13.32 | skel | ok |
| 05:13.33 | sourdough | skel you can run menuconfig and look at every option to see if you think its new |
| 05:13.40 | sourdough | but thats harder then just using make oldconfig |
| 05:13.49 | sourdough | whcih will only ask you about maybe half a dozen options |
| 05:13.53 | sourdough | if that |
| 05:14.24 | sourdough | what is module-init-tools? |
| 05:14.39 | sourdough | and why is it different from modutils |
| 05:14.40 | malik_ | module-tools for 2.6 |
| 05:14.51 | myXtie | new module tools for 2.6 |
| 05:15.08 | sourdough | so basically instead of just upgrading modutils they made a redundent package? |
| 05:15.13 | sourdough | how lovely |
| 05:15.17 | myXtie | 2.4 stuff no worky |
| 05:15.42 | sourdough | thats always been the case with new kernels, you upgrade modutils and they work on prev and new kernels |
| 05:15.45 | myXtie | and no memo too |
| 05:15.56 | sourdough | potato modutils didn't work with 2.4, woody modutils works with both |
| 05:16.09 | sourdough | why now redundant packages? |
| 05:16.41 | myXtie | someone forgot to send out a memo i guess ;) |
| 05:16.50 | myXtie | heh |
| 05:16.53 | sourdough | retards |
| 05:17.03 | sourdough | just what we need, more redundant crfut |
| 05:17.12 | skel | is there much point in compiling support for ipv6 if I don't use it on my lan and my ISP doesn't support it yet? |
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| 05:17.23 | sourdough | myXtie so i suppose they changes all the userspace commands too? |
| 05:17.37 | sourdough | skel nope |
| 05:17.47 | skel | sourdough: k thnx =] |
| 05:17.50 | vash_ | anyone know a bit upgrading |
| 05:18.00 | myXtie | nah it is a dropin replacement |
| 05:18.02 | sourdough | vash_ upgrading what |
| 05:18.18 | sourdough | myXtie so why are modutils and module-init-tools both installed in sarge? |
| 05:18.19 | vash_ | i have a g3 400mhz |
| 05:18.23 | vash_ | i'd like to drop in some more ram |
| 05:18.30 | vash_ | i'm betting i need pc100 dimms |
| 05:18.41 | vash_ | but do i need ECC/registered, or the cheapo stuff? |
| 05:18.45 | sourdough | vash_ blue g3 uses pc100 as i recall yes |
| 05:18.47 | myXtie | retarded memos hehe |
| 05:18.52 | vash_ | thanks |
| 05:19.05 | vash_ | the pc100 stuff is uber cheap now, another 512 would be niice |
| 05:19.06 | sourdough | i don't know about the ECC crap, check with apple |
| 05:19.10 | vash_ | what about the HD? |
| 05:19.13 | vash_ | i think this has a 9 giger |
| 05:19.19 | vash_ | what is the max this system can take? |
| 05:19.20 | sourdough | vash_ any standard ATA disk will work |
| 05:19.24 | vash_ | how large? |
| 05:19.33 | vash_ | for PC, some motherboards have a 130gb limitation |
| 05:19.36 | sourdough | whatever era 1999 ATA can handle |
| 05:19.48 | vash_ | for the age of this box, i'm betting no more than 80 and not higher than ata66 in speed |
| 05:19.51 | sourdough | vash_ we use OpenFirmware not 16 bit 8086 asm kludges |
| 05:20.08 | vash_ | well then, that's nice~! |
| 05:20.18 | vash_ | ok, i can do the upgrades myself, but one last question |
| 05:20.22 | vash_ | if i drop a new disk in here.. |
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| 05:20.27 | sourdough | vash_ don't apply broken x86 standards to apple hardware, apple hardware doesn't have those sorts of retard problems |
| 05:20.28 | vash_ | how do i rebuild the systemap? |
| 05:20.35 | vash_ | the first partition |
| 05:20.49 | vash_ | the one partition that i couldn't remove with mac-fdisk |
| 05:20.49 | sourdough | vash_ you need to run mac-fdisk on the disk |
| 05:20.55 | sourdough | then enter the `i' command to create apartition table |
| 05:21.03 | vash_ | mac-fdisk would rebuild that, with a new disk? |
| 05:21.04 | sourdough | then teh `b' command to create the bootblock |
| 05:21.13 | sourdough | then `c' to create the rest of your parittions |
| 05:21.17 | drbyte | hmm.. wondering... has anyone gotten a .deb of evolution 1.5 ? |
| 05:21.17 | vash_ | i used 'i' and 'b' to build this box, i am familiar with that. |
| 05:21.26 | sourdough | vash_ it just creates partititon tables like x86 fdisk would, just in apple format |
| 05:21.33 | drbyte | even tracking Sid, i'm still on 1.4.5 (which is a good thing!). |
| 05:21.39 | vash_ | _and_ it will rebuild the apple system map? |
| 05:21.46 | sourdough | what system map? |
| 05:21.49 | sourdough | there is no ssytem map |
| 05:21.53 | vash_ | the first, necessary partition |
| 05:21.55 | sourdough | partition 1 IS the partition table |
| 05:22.00 | vash_ | ah, ok |
| 05:22.07 | vash_ | i'm coming frrom x86, a few things are diff for me here |
| 05:22.24 | vash_ | i'm *very* familiar with the x86 stuff, this g3 is all new |
| 05:22.27 | sourdough | apple keeps its partiton table in a partiton defined in the partition table defined in that partition |
| 05:22.30 | sourdough | its recursive |
| 05:22.41 | vash_ | i'm sure i'll be back, but the amount of help already is excellent |
| 05:22.48 | vash_ | this is why i stick with debian |
| 05:22.50 | sourdough | vash_ man ybin for bootloader install |
| 05:22.57 | vash_ | the help is good, you just have to know where to askk |
| 05:23.08 | vash_ | ttyl |
| 05:23.11 | vash_ | oyasumi |
| 05:24.24 | zorton | sourdough: want a 7100? i'l be back into FBX on the3rd |
| 05:25.09 | sourdough | i already have one |
| 05:25.14 | zorton | k |
| 05:25.19 | zorton | think i'll leave them down here |
| 05:25.29 | sourdough | its sitting in a corner doing nothing |
| 05:25.36 | sourdough | nubus == PITA |
| 05:25.40 | zorton | might bring one back up if I can find another network card |
| 05:25.52 | zorton | yeah i'm reading up on it now |
| 05:26.01 | zorton | at least I don't have to run mklinux anyumore :) |
| 05:26.02 | sourdough | a nubus NIC? heh |
| 05:26.05 | sourdough | gooooood luck |
| 05:26.10 | zorton | ::) |
| 05:26.19 | sourdough | ebay maybe |
| 05:26.24 | zorton | perhaps |
| 05:26.29 | sourdough | other then that i seriously doubt anyone sells them |
| 05:26.45 | zorton | yeah eb-ay would be the only option |
| 05:26.52 | zorton | very lagged connection |
| 05:26.53 | sourdough | even apple quite some time ago dropped support for 7100 |
| 05:26.57 | zorton | going over sat. |
| 05:27.03 | sourdough | bleah |
| 05:27.10 | zorton | high latency |
| 05:27.29 | zorton | pulled 100k/sec a bit ago though, not too bad considering all the atmosphere it has to shooot through |
| 05:27.47 | skel | anyone want a Siemens Nixdorf Targon-31? |
| 05:27.58 | skel | you pay shipping.. you can have it |
| 05:28.02 | skel | =] |
| 05:28.25 | skel | it weighs probably 150lbs.. at least |
| 05:28.34 | sourdough | skel dunno, wtf is it? |
| 05:29.09 | skel | heheh OLD data entry server.. has a m68k processor in it.. maybe more than one.. not sure.. can't figure out how to get into it.. |
| 05:30.03 | sourdough | mmm nah |
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| 05:30.59 | skel | heheh yeah.. its sitting in storage at my other house right now.. |
| 05:31.15 | skel | it was a bitch to get into the car.. when I took it from work |
| 05:31.38 | sourdough | old relics can be fun |
| 05:31.42 | sourdough | but usually just waste space |
| 05:38.13 | skel | ok. lets hope that my battery's not flaking out and that it was some fluke in either my power management config or perhaps a kernel bug |
| 05:38.18 | skel | we'll see |
| 05:53.47 | JimButton | i found this in a debian/rules file... |
| 05:53.53 | JimButton | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.53 | JimButton | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.11 | JimButton | who told those people that all powerpc is altivec?! |
| 05:54.25 | sourdough | mo ons |
| 05:54.29 | myXtie | moto |
| 05:54.31 | JimButton | of course it generates illegal instructions then |
| 05:54.41 | sourdough | ooh fun |
| 05:54.49 | JimButton | well, it is fftw3 |
| 05:54.53 | sourdough | can't altivec be detected and enabled at runtime? |
| 05:54.55 | JimButton | was holding up lots of stuff |
| 05:55.11 | JimButton | but it still fails the testsuite on ARM |
| 05:55.19 | JimButton | that must have a different reason |
| 05:55.22 | JimButton | sourdough: don't know |
| 05:55.29 | sourdough | whats fftw3 |
| 05:55.35 | JimButton | fourier transform |
| 05:55.43 | skel | I thought processors that didn't use altivec weren't harmed by it? |
| 05:55.44 | sourdough | JimButton im pretty sure it can, thought i saw an exmaple on how to do so on linuxppc-dev once |
| 05:55.49 | JimButton | "fastest fourier transform in the west", i think |
| 05:56.10 | sourdough | skel they are if your `enable-altivec' means run a bunch of altivec asm |
| 05:56.11 | JimButton | skel: well, apparently they are, or fftw3 is doing it the wrong way |
| 05:56.22 | skel | oh |
| 05:56.35 | sourdough | skel the kernel altivec option is harmless on non-altivec |
| 05:56.39 | sourdough | but not all userspaces ones are |
| 05:56.42 | JimButton | i tested it, removing the --enable-altivec makes it build perfectly and pass the test suite |
| 05:57.00 | skel | ok thats what I read.. and was thinking about.. kernel support for altivec |
| 05:57.09 | sourdough | really all the kernel option does is set a flag in the processor to permit altivec instrcutions (if the proc supports them) |
| 05:57.14 | sourdough | otherwise you still get SIGILL |
| 05:57.17 | sourdough | iirc |
| 05:57.46 | sourdough | JimButton just without the optimizations, but until they are fixed to detect and enable on runtime, thats just how it has to be |
| 05:59.00 | JimButton | yep |
| 05:59.32 | skel | undefined reference to `i2c_smbus_write_block_data |
| 05:59.35 | skel | =/ |
| 05:59.59 | JimButton | i would like to track down the ARM failure, too, but all ARM machines are still down |
| 06:00.11 | JimButton | kind of sucks |
| 06:03.12 | sourdough | still? |
| 06:03.20 | sourdough | how many machines are still down from the rooting? |
| 06:03.38 | JimButton | haven't counted |
| 06:04.42 | JimButton | https://db.debian.org/machines.cgi |
| 06:04.49 | JimButton | that is still far too many |
| 06:05.29 | skel | 8 |
| 06:08.55 | sourdough | wow thats a lot of machines |
| 06:09.40 | sourdough | wonder if thats why they have been ignoring most security vulnerablities lately |
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| 06:26.33 | *** topic/#debianppc is Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test || Install Debian on new (2003) PowerMacs with XFS: http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/XFS-debian-README.txt || yaboot 1.3.11 released || Cisco VPN and Linux/PPC works! - http://www.goelug.de/texte/vpnc.en.html || http://dri.freedesktop.org/~daenzer/debian/dri-trunk-sid/ || XFS merged in 2.4.24-pre || 2.6.0 is out, but rsync -avz source.mvista.com::linuxppc-2.5-benh linuxppc-2.5-benh if you're |
| 06:29.07 | simonrvn | ~test |
| 06:29.10 | | Failed |
| 06:29.28 | simonrvn | ~fart |
| 06:29.30 | | ACTION farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" |
| 06:29.39 | simonrvn | ok, it works |
| 06:30.37 | bddebian | heh |
| 06:31.14 | simonrvn | well, that's done |
| 06:31.17 | simonrvn | 2.6.0-ben3 |
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| 08:09.09 | DarioT | hi all, anyone have the sources to upgrade woddy ppc to sarge ppc? |
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| 08:25.21 | Sahneschnitter | DarioT: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:26.44 | DarioT | ok |
| 08:26.50 | DarioT | but with sources? |
| 08:27.31 | DarioT | I dont' have the sources for sarge or sid |
| 08:32.24 | Sahneschnitter | put the correct lines into you sources.list |
| 08:34.24 | DarioT | i don't know the correct lines.... |
| 08:39.47 | sourdough | DarioT yes you do |
| 08:40.01 | sourdough | DarioT look at the current ones, notice either `stable' or `woody' |
| 08:40.15 | sourdough | notice sarge is `testing' or `sarge' |
| 08:40.25 | sourdough | ostensibly what do you think the sarge sources will be? |
| 08:47.46 | DarioT | ok now' I've understood, and for sid i change ti with sid |
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| 08:51.21 | burntash | hello |
| 09:00.13 | DarioT | hello |
| 09:02.06 | burntash | im looking to install debian on my new IBook G4, since yellowdog didnt work and gentoo is being difficult as usual |
| 09:03.28 | burntash | i have 5 partitions left over from mac-fdisk,... 1. partition map, 2. bootstrap (whichi think still has yellowdogs yaboot on it since i still get that boot up), 3. linux parition /, 4. linux swap, 5. mac os x 10.3.2 which i just finished installing |
| 09:03.44 | burntash | i imagine the next step is downloading the debian generic ppc iso? |
| 09:04.23 | sourdough | burntash see topic, the XFS iso works better then debians |
| 09:04.46 | sourdough | DarioT only thing with sid is it will always be == unstable |
| 09:05.04 | sourdough | DarioT when sarge becomes stable, there will be something new to replace sarge, but sid will stay as it is |
| 09:06.05 | DarioT | ok! |
| 09:06.26 | DarioT | a question how to configure kde to start with kdm? |
| 09:06.38 | DarioT | the computer to start with kdm sorry |
| 09:06.38 | sourdough | first install kdm |
| 09:06.41 | burntash | ok im downloading the ftp://penguinppc.org/users/eb/boot-new-powermac-xfs.iso |
| 09:06.50 | sourdough | then it will on next boot |
| 09:07.05 | sourdough | or by /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 09:07.15 | burntash | why is XFS better? |
| 09:07.32 | sourdough | burntash its well designed from the start |
| 09:07.44 | burntash | so i should use XFS instead of ext3 |
| 09:07.47 | sourdough | ext3 is a hack on a hack on a hack |
| 09:07.53 | sourdough | yup |
| 09:07.56 | sourdough | its faster |
| 09:08.03 | sourdough | and more reliable IME |
| 09:08.05 | burntash | have you heard of debian on the new ibook g4 |
| 09:08.11 | sourdough | yup |
| 09:08.13 | burntash | how does it work? |
| 09:08.19 | sourdough | pretty well |
| 09:08.22 | burntash | is it easy to get working? because i really want linux on this thing |
| 09:08.24 | sourdough | X in debian still doesn't support it |
| 09:08.27 | burntash | and my ppc distro choices are limited |
| 09:08.34 | burntash | and gentoo is too hard to install right now |
| 09:08.39 | sourdough | so you have to get experimental 4.3.99 stuff |
| 09:09.09 | burntash | sourdough: shouldnt i use the benh kernel? that will make everything work? |
| 09:09.26 | sourdough | no it won't make everything work, but you will need it to make sleep work on that model |
| 09:09.29 | DarioT | where can i find benh kernel? |
| 09:09.47 | sourdough | DarioT ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/benh/ |
| 09:09.47 | burntash | doesnt the benh kernel give me the radeon 9200 mobility support though so X works |
| 09:09.50 | sourdough | there are patches there |
| 09:10.02 | sourdough | burntash it will give you console framebuffer |
| 09:10.14 | burntash | well ill screw with that stuff later, right now im just getting the ISO, hopefully it works |
| 09:10.16 | sourdough | it won't make X work, you can run X in slow framebuffer mode, but thats it |
| 09:10.20 | sourdough | real X support is later |
| 09:10.36 | burntash | ive never used debian, want to try it though so i figure this is the best time |
| 09:13.15 | burntash | does it matter that yellowdog's bootloader is still on there? |
| 09:13.46 | sourdough | no, debian's installer will overwrite it |
| 09:14.02 | burntash | cool, is debian easy to install? |
| 09:14.05 | burntash | on ppc |
| 09:14.05 | sourdough | my xfs iso installs yaboot 1.3.11 which is required on your model |
| 09:14.19 | sourdough | burntash a chicken could install debian |
| 09:14.48 | MacPlusG3 | although it would be a rather intelligent chicken :) |
| 09:14.51 | sourdough | esp on yours as its already partitioned |
| 09:15.07 | sourdough | keep pecking the Enter key and it will probably all be fine |
| 09:15.18 | burntash | hehe |
| 09:15.21 | burntash | alright |
| 09:15.36 | MacPlusG3 | (although laying an egg or pooping on it is probably the wrong idea :) |
| 09:15.41 | sourdough | couple places where non-default is good |
| 09:15.46 | sourdough | such as xfs instead of ext2 |
| 09:16.17 | burntash | heh if i get debian on this ibook its gonna be bad ass |
| 09:16.18 | burntash | :) |
| 09:16.24 | burntash | bad ass i say! |
| 09:16.29 | sourdough | debian is quite nice |
| 09:16.38 | burntash | i use slackware on my x86 |
| 09:16.42 | sourdough | not perfect, but a damn lot closer then anything else |
| 09:16.54 | sourdough | slackware is fun |
| 09:17.08 | burntash | ya its worked great so far, cept 9.1 doesnt like alsa |
| 09:17.11 | burntash | always whines and shit |
| 09:17.30 | sourdough | slackware can be a bit more of apain to take care of |
| 09:17.48 | burntash | but its probably the best distro ive used so far, gentoo i think i now have strong hate for since it never wants to install itself correctly no matter how much i follow their "fool-proof" instructions |
| 09:18.30 | sourdough | heh |
| 09:18.47 | sourdough | gentoo has a lot of erm.. substandard developers |
| 09:18.55 | sourdough | particularly the ones involved with thier kernel |
| 09:19.01 | burntash | debian is where the real support is at |
| 09:19.07 | burntash | :P |
| 09:19.08 | sourdough | yes it is |
| 09:19.17 | burntash | its where the real community is, gnu |
| 09:19.22 | burntash | thats what i like boutz it |
| 09:19.31 | sourdough | well gnu and debian are definitly distinct.. |
| 09:19.45 | sourdough | and rather don't agree with each other quite a bit |
| 09:19.56 | burntash | really, i always thought they had |
| 09:20.27 | sourdough | well its a long story |
| 09:20.42 | sourdough | way back when GNU funded debian's start |
| 09:20.50 | burntash | is this debian XFS iso gonna install 3.0 r2 |
| 09:20.55 | sourdough | and debian was quite GNUish |
| 09:20.58 | sourdough | burntash yup |
| 09:21.01 | burntash | cool |
| 09:21.29 | sourdough | later on debian wanted to have a non-free section, which GNU of course didn't agree with and a split occured |
| 09:21.33 | burntash | good thing i have the next 2 days off from work so i can play with my ibook if i get debian on it |
| 09:21.36 | sourdough | they stayed on good terms but debian lost the funding |
| 09:21.53 | burntash | ah i see, whyd they want a non-free section |
| 09:21.57 | sourdough | and recently debian has thier whole fit about the FDL |
| 09:22.19 | sourdough | burntash well at the time there was a lot of non-free stuff which was difficult to do without |
| 09:22.22 | sourdough | like netscape |
| 09:22.31 | sourdough | today a non-free section really isn't needed anymore |
| 09:22.38 | burntash | is it like that now with video drivers and such? |
| 09:22.38 | sourdough | i think debian should droip it now |
| 09:22.47 | sourdough | someone else can always maintain a repo of non-free cruft |
| 09:22.47 | burntash | arent they propietary |
| 09:22.58 | sourdough | burntash debian' can't distribute those anyway |
| 09:23.26 | burntash | which medium should i install from |
| 09:23.28 | burntash | network? |
| 09:23.29 | sourdough | and there is plenty of hardware which is supported |
| 09:23.35 | sourdough | just don't buy nvidia crap |
| 09:23.41 | sourdough | burntash read the readme in the topic |
| 09:23.48 | sourdough | burntash you must install the kernel and base system from my cd |
| 09:23.55 | sourdough | the rest (after first reboot) you get from network |
| 09:24.04 | sourdough | if you install base or kernel from network the system wont' boot |
| 09:24.21 | burntash | i just did install the kernel and it took me to choose what medium |
| 09:24.30 | sourdough | yup |
| 09:24.31 | sourdough | cdrom |
| 09:24.33 | burntash | ok |
| 09:25.00 | burntash | configure device driver modules |
| 09:25.09 | sourdough | shouldn't need any |
| 09:25.43 | burntash | k configin network |
| 09:25.57 | burntash | now its on install base system |
| 09:26.05 | sourdough | cdrom again |
| 09:26.37 | burntash | did that now select the directory containing a file that you will use to install the base system |
| 09:26.50 | sourdough | default option should work |
| 09:26.51 | burntash | k did that |
| 09:27.10 | burntash | this is probably gonna be awhile no? |
| 09:27.16 | sourdough | not too long |
| 09:27.24 | sourdough | maybe 5 minutes |
| 09:27.28 | sourdough | probably less |
| 09:27.31 | burntash | cool, this ibook cost $1500, big dent heh |
| 09:27.38 | sourdough | yeah |
| 09:27.39 | burntash | 933MHz G4, 640mb ram, 60gb harddrive |
| 09:27.43 | sourdough | nice |
| 09:27.47 | burntash | 14" display |
| 09:27.51 | burntash | its smooth |
| 09:27.53 | sourdough | very nice |
| 09:28.12 | burntash | i just couldnt see getting something as small as 12" thats tiny as hell |
| 09:28.38 | burntash | are people really that compressed for room? that they use someones buttcheek for a desk :P |
| 09:28.56 | burntash | ok im on make the system bootable |
| 09:29.04 | sourdough | go ahead with that |
| 09:29.17 | burntash | er i dont have a floppy around here i dont think i can make one of those |
| 09:29.28 | sourdough | that step doesn't work anyway ;-) |
| 09:29.41 | sourdough | it has always just put up a dialog saying `this doesn't work on powerpc' |
| 09:29.58 | burntash | so, alternate: boot system |
| 09:29.59 | burntash | ? |
| 09:30.03 | sourdough | yup |
| 09:30.34 | burntash | now if i can just take out the cdrom |
| 09:30.41 | sourdough | don't need to |
| 09:30.47 | sourdough | OF will boot from disk by default |
| 09:30.53 | burntash | oh ya |
| 09:30.53 | sourdough | it will boot debian by default |
| 09:30.59 | sourdough | not like x86 |
| 09:31.02 | burntash | ok its booting |
| 09:31.38 | burntash | congrats i successfully installed debian! |
| 09:31.39 | burntash | hehe |
| 09:31.49 | sourdough | now wasn't that easy? |
| 09:31.56 | burntash | i coulda done it blind folded |
| 09:32.05 | sourdough | told you a chicken could do it |
| 09:32.07 | burntash | well not blindfoled, id probably poke a hole through the screen |
| 09:32.14 | burntash | thanks for helping me with this so far |
| 09:32.29 | sourdough | all those dumb journalists just think its hard because there is no mouse to use |
| 09:32.48 | burntash | ya i always heard debian is the hardest in the world to install |
| 09:32.50 | burntash | ;/ |
| 09:32.52 | burntash | it scared me off |
| 09:32.58 | sourdough | its FUD |
| 09:33.10 | sourdough | has not been true for a long time now |
| 09:33.29 | sourdough | it just gives you more options, apparently if its not crippled its not easy |
| 09:33.31 | burntash | especially with that new improved installer eh? |
| 09:33.58 | sourdough | well my version of it is pretty much teh same as debians' i just fixed acouple bugs, and update my kernel and bootloader |
| 09:34.14 | burntash | ok its on apt |
| 09:34.23 | burntash | choose the method apt should use to access the debian archive |
| 09:34.27 | sourdough | the filesystem chooser is in mainline debian, but mainline debian doesn't include any other fs in kernel or mkfs on install root |
| 09:34.36 | sourdough | burntash http is fine here |
| 09:34.38 | burntash | cdrom, http, ftp, filesystem |
| 09:34.47 | sourdough | use mirrors.kernel.org |
| 09:35.00 | burntash | use non-us software? |
| 09:35.05 | sourdough | yeah |
| 09:35.10 | sourdough | not much left there, but yeah |
| 09:35.12 | burntash | use non-free software |
| 09:35.17 | sourdough | non-free who the hell needs it |
| 09:35.21 | burntash | ack fuck it |
| 09:35.25 | burntash | free as in speech i say |
| 09:35.46 | sourdough | pretty much only junk in non-free |
| 09:35.54 | burntash | i bet |
| 09:36.00 | sourdough | but some people just gotta have that netscape 4 |
| 09:36.07 | burntash | i hate non-free software now, i protest against it, heh my friends are so annoyed with me |
| 09:36.12 | burntash | im like "free this, open that" |
| 09:36.13 | sourdough | heh |
| 09:36.22 | burntash | add another apt source? |
| 09:36.26 | sourdough | nah |
| 09:36.33 | burntash | wouldnt be wise to have one if the others down? |
| 09:36.42 | sourdough | nah |
| 09:36.47 | sourdough | you can edit sources.list any time |
| 09:36.56 | sourdough | adding duplicates just doubles your apt-get update times |
| 09:36.58 | burntash | use security updates? |
| 09:36.59 | burntash | of course |
| 09:37.02 | sourdough | yup |
| 09:37.09 | sourdough | there only for woody though |
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| 09:37.22 | burntash | run tasksel? |
| 09:37.26 | sourdough | so if you upgrade to sarge or unstable you may have to comment it out for the time being |
| 09:37.29 | sourdough | erm.. |
| 09:37.36 | sourdough | tasksel is easy, but it will bloat teh fuck out of your box |
| 09:37.47 | burntash | so what should i do |
| 09:37.48 | sourdough | dselect takes a little getting used to, but gives you much better control |
| 09:37.58 | sourdough | up to you, how big is / ? |
| 09:38.01 | burntash | 10GB |
| 09:38.13 | burntash | and i set OS X at 43GB to hold all my data and shit |
| 09:38.16 | sourdough | tasksel will only let you pick `desktop' and such |
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| 09:38.29 | sourdough | which will install ALL of KDE ALL of gnome, ALL of every other X based program |
| 09:38.32 | burntash | ok so hit no and itll take me to dselect? |
| 09:38.36 | sourdough | and probably end up taking about 10GB |
| 09:38.40 | sourdough | yeah |
| 09:39.06 | burntash | k i got dumped into there |
| 09:39.06 | sourdough | main trouble with dselect is you see over 8000 packages presented to you |
| 09:39.17 | sourdough | read the online help on keystrokes and such |
| 09:39.29 | sourdough | basically + install package, _ purge package |
| 09:39.45 | sourdough | enter accepts current selections |
| 09:39.53 | burntash | hm i dunno even know what to install |
| 09:40.03 | sourdough | X reverts when your in dependency resolution |
| 09:40.06 | burntash | or where to begin actually |
| 09:40.16 | sourdough | /seachword |
| 09:40.30 | sourdough | tehre are meta package for `gnome' and `kde' to install most/all of those |
| 09:40.38 | burntash | should i start with X? |
| 09:40.41 | DarioT | where can i find the benh patched kernel? |
| 09:40.49 | sourdough | dselect is a bit overwhelming, why tasksel is easy |
| 09:40.55 | sourdough | but tasksel makes very bloated ssytem.. |
| 09:40.58 | burntash | ya |
| 09:41.06 | burntash | so i should just go down the whole list? |
| 09:41.15 | sourdough | DarioT i told you, get the patch, and apply it to mainline 2.4.23 |
| 09:41.29 | sourdough | burntash prtty much |
| 09:41.35 | DarioT | ok, but i've lost your message, where can i download the patch? |
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| 09:41.49 | sourdough | ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/benh/ |
| 09:41.53 | sourdough | kernels are in |
| 09:41.58 | sourdough | ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4 |
| 09:42.21 | DarioT | tnx |
| 09:42.25 | burntash | just hit my first dependency |
| 09:43.08 | sourdough | if you don't like all the crap a package trys to drag in hit X |
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| 09:43.17 | sourdough | that will cancel the selection of that package |
| 09:43.21 | MrKennie | hi |
| 09:43.36 | DarioT | patch -p0? |
| 09:43.42 | sourdough | p1 |
| 09:43.42 | simonrvn | MrKennie: they'll have more clue than me to fix your video :) |
| 09:43.51 | sourdough | from the top level direcftory of unpackages ources |
| 09:44.01 | MrKennie | was wondering how or if I can fix this: "opening display /bandit@F2000000/formacGA4_8@E... failed" using quik, system boots fine but no video as you can see.. |
| 09:44.16 | MrKennie | on a 9500 |
| 09:44.26 | sourdough | you need the proper framebuffer driver enabled in your kenel config |
| 09:44.44 | MrKennie | me? |
| 09:44.49 | sourdough | yup |
| 09:44.51 | MrKennie | oh |
| 09:44.55 | MrKennie | hmm |
| 09:45.02 | burntash | heh dselect is very overwhelming |
| 09:45.23 | sourdough | burntash even more so in sarge/sid, where there are over 10000 packages now |
| 09:45.32 | MrKennie | this should be fun, never compiled a kernel on a PPC before :) |
| 09:45.42 | sourdough | debian seems to grow by about 1000 packages per year |
| 09:45.48 | burntash | ill probably never get through this :P |
| 09:45.54 | burntash | especially since i keep hitting dependencies |
| 09:46.47 | sourdough | MrKennie CONFIG_MAC_ADBKEYCODES=n CONFIG_RTC=n CONFIG_PPC_RTC=y OR CONFIG_GEN_RTC=y |
| 09:47.07 | sourdough | MrKennie those are the settings for some options you need to set |
| 09:47.14 | sourdough | the defaults are wrong in the adbkeycodes case |
| 09:47.14 | burntash | it just put me at the login prompt, i dont think i even got anything installed |
| 09:47.21 | simonrvn | i'd suggest the GEN_RTC if available |
| 09:47.26 | MrKennie | ok |
| 09:47.30 | sourdough | burntash you have teh base system installed |
| 09:47.37 | sourdough | which is quite skeletel |
| 09:47.41 | burntash | ok |
| 09:47.48 | MrKennie | is it safe to leave most of the options default? |
| 09:47.49 | sourdough | burntash you can always run `tasksel' to get that if you think dselect is too much for now |
| 09:47.55 | MrKennie | I'm using debian source |
| 09:48.05 | burntash | ya i think thats best right now |
| 09:48.06 | sourdough | MrKennie no, adbkeycodes is on by default, that will make your keyboard not work |
| 09:48.37 | sourdough | MrKennie debian source is anchient and full of security holes, get 2.4.23 |
| 09:48.52 | sourdough | MrKennie you can use the debian config though, its in /boot |
| 09:48.57 | DarioT | now i've a question, why in kde I've the italian qzerty layout? but the keymap selected is /usr/share/keymaps/i386/it? |
| 09:49.01 | sourdough | cp to .config in kernel source and make oldconfig |
| 09:49.18 | MrKennie | sourdough: aah ok, thanx |
| 09:49.35 | sourdough | DarioT we use the same keycodes as x86 |
| 09:49.50 | DarioT | ok, but i've the qzerty loyout |
| 09:49.56 | sourdough | so? |
| 09:50.00 | DarioT | but the keyboard is qwerty |
| 09:50.12 | sourdough | need to reselect your keymap then |
| 09:50.16 | burntash | downloading all |
| 09:50.24 | burntash | the basic X stuff |
| 09:50.27 | sourdough | you selected italian qwerty apparently |
| 09:50.29 | burntash | just so i can get some interface goin |
| 09:50.37 | DarioT | ok, i've do it, but kde is still qzerty, but i want the qwerty |
| 09:50.39 | sourdough | DarioT dpkg-reconfigure console-common i think |
| 09:50.45 | DarioT | in console is ok |
| 09:50.54 | sourdough | DarioT well X keymaps and console keymaps are different |
| 09:50.58 | burntash | good thing i have a 2.0mbps cable line |
| 09:51.06 | DarioT | ok |
| 09:51.08 | sourdough | DarioT so you need to fix /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 09:51.12 | simonrvn | console-data for console keymap |
| 09:51.24 | DarioT | i configure it in /etc/X11/XFreeConfig-4? |
| 09:51.29 | sourdough | simonrvn ah right, i never can remember which console- package it is |
| 09:51.40 | sourdough | DarioT yup |
| 09:51.49 | sourdough | DarioT or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:52.15 | burntash | what versions of KDE and GNOME am i getting right now? |
| 09:52.16 | simonrvn | sourdough: :) |
| 09:52.19 | DarioT | I thing that vim is mine friend :-) |
| 09:53.44 | sourdough | burntash woody, 1.4 and 2.2 |
| 09:53.50 | burntash | eek |
| 09:53.52 | sourdough | burntash you probably want to switch to sarge |
| 09:53.58 | burntash | how do i do that |
| 09:53.58 | sourdough | burntash which has 2.4 and 3.1.4 |
| 09:54.06 | sourdough | burntash edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:54.13 | DarioT | I can't find openoffice, have a different source? |
| 09:54.16 | sourdough | change `stable' to `sarge' |
| 09:54.31 | sourdough | DarioT its is `contrib' |
| 09:54.37 | sourdough | s/is/in/ |
| 09:54.39 | burntash | i guess i got to let it install all the stuff from tasksel |
| 09:54.42 | burntash | first |
| 09:54.43 | DarioT | ok, i think to have contrib |
| 09:55.37 | sourdough | burntash no, don't do that |
| 09:55.42 | sourdough | burntash much harder to upgrade that way |
| 09:55.42 | burntash | huh? |
| 09:55.54 | sourdough | stop any woody installs now |
| 09:55.56 | sourdough | and fix sources.list |
| 09:55.56 | burntash | its already getting the packages |
| 09:56.00 | sourdough | apt-get update |
| 09:56.03 | sourdough | and do it again |
| 09:56.10 | burntash | i can safely ctrl + C during this? |
| 09:56.11 | sourdough | burntash it will probably fail to upgrade if you let it instlal all that crap now |
| 09:56.14 | sourdough | yup |
| 09:56.24 | burntash | ok im back at the command line |
| 09:57.13 | burntash | change stable to sarge on just the first mirror? |
| 09:57.17 | burntash | named deb |
| 09:57.46 | burntash | or change all the mirrors for deb-src, etc |
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| 10:00.04 | sourdough | burntash change em all |
| 10:00.15 | sourdough | burntash except security, there is not security update for sarge yet |
| 10:00.23 | sourdough | will be when it becomes stable |
| 10:00.43 | burntash | ok |
| 10:00.48 | burntash | then what |
| 10:01.37 | sourdough | actually there does seem to be a sarge dist in security.d.o, but im sure nothing is ever put there |
| 10:01.44 | sourdough | apt-get update |
| 10:01.50 | sourdough | dselect update |
| 10:01.53 | sourdough | tasksel |
| 10:03.45 | burntash | errrr broken packages |
| 10:03.49 | burntash | after i just did tasksel |
| 10:04.33 | sourdough | did you actually install anything? |
| 10:05.08 | burntash | im not sure, i did tasksel before and it started downloading all the packages and then i hit ctrl + c to stop |
| 10:05.20 | burntash | when i did dselect before that i might have installed something |
| 10:05.22 | sourdough | ok then no |
| 10:05.28 | sourdough | apt-get -d |
| 10:05.34 | sourdough | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:05.42 | sourdough | that will update your base to sarge |
| 10:05.45 | sourdough | then rerun tasksel |
| 10:05.49 | burntash | ok |
| 10:05.52 | sourdough | probably need sarge tasksel for sarge |
| 10:06.06 | sourdough | that shouldn't take long, not much installed yet |
| 10:06.09 | burntash | it said the following packages have dependencies |
| 10:06.15 | burntash | and it says ppoeconf |
| 10:06.20 | burntash | which it hink i might have installed from dselect before |
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| 10:06.30 | sourdough | yeah that shit is in base |
| 10:06.33 | burntash | unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages |
| 10:06.34 | sourdough | apt-get --purge remove pppoeconf |
| 10:06.45 | sourdough | ah you put something on hold |
| 10:06.50 | burntash | ok |
| 10:07.00 | sourdough | dpkg --get-selections | grep hold |
| 10:07.11 | burntash | i did that purge |
| 10:07.16 | burntash | and it removed it |
| 10:07.16 | sourdough | dpkg --get-selections | grep hold |
| 10:07.44 | burntash | it has libc6 on hold |
| 10:07.45 | burntash | too |
| 10:07.50 | sourdough | anything else? |
| 10:07.52 | burntash | nope |
| 10:07.53 | burntash | thats it |
| 10:07.57 | sourdough | ok run: |
| 10:08.18 | sourdough | echo libc6 install | dpkg --set-selections |
| 10:08.30 | sourdough | then try apt-get dist-upgrade again |
| 10:08.44 | sourdough | = in dselect puts a package on hold, which forbids it from being upgraded |
| 10:09.02 | sourdough | the above echo command will take it off of hold |
| 10:09.05 | burntash | i did that echo |
| 10:09.39 | sourdough | now try apt-get dist-ugprade again |
| 10:09.47 | burntash | ok |
| 10:10.09 | burntash | 92 packages to be upgraded, 36 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 to not be upgraded |
| 10:10.19 | sourdough | looks ok |
| 10:10.26 | burntash | ok its goin |
| 10:10.37 | burntash | how often do you run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:10.49 | DarioT | to install openoffice it just apt-get install openoffice? |
| 10:11.04 | sourdough | in sarge its good to every few days, but keep an eye on lists or so to watch for breakage |
| 10:11.11 | sourdough | its much more rare in testing, then in unstable |
| 10:11.28 | burntash | to watch for breakage? |
| 10:11.34 | sourdough | DarioT i think its actually openoffice.org |
| 10:11.52 | sourdough | burntash this isn't debian `stable' so things change a lot, and tnhus things can break |
| 10:12.00 | DarioT | yes! |
| 10:12.05 | sourdough | debian never touches `stable' except to patch security fixes |
| 10:12.11 | sourdough | thus it never breaks |
| 10:12.21 | sourdough | and also never goes anywhere |
| 10:12.28 | burntash | it put me configuring debconf |
| 10:13.01 | burntash | what interface should be used for configuring packages |
| 10:13.11 | sourdough | whatever you want, but not gnome |
| 10:13.13 | burntash | dialog, readline, gnome, editor, noninteractive |
| 10:13.22 | burntash | probably editor? |
| 10:13.36 | sourdough | well editor will run a text editor where you edit the optons directly |
| 10:13.46 | sourdough | sort of like edquota |
| 10:13.52 | sourdough | dialog is what your on now |
| 10:13.56 | burntash | ok ill use that then |
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| 10:16.27 | burntash | should i keep my scripts for like libc6 |
| 10:16.33 | burntash | or use the package maintainers |
| 10:16.40 | sourdough | init.d stuff? |
| 10:16.44 | sourdough | package maintainers |
| 10:16.48 | sourdough | you haven't edited them |
| 10:16.57 | burntash | ok |
| 10:17.09 | sourdough | does it think you did? |
| 10:17.37 | burntash | i answered to use the package maintainers |
| 10:17.42 | sourdough | good |
| 10:17.53 | sourdough | norally when you don't edit aconfig you don't get asked that |
| 10:18.03 | sourdough | but sometimes dpkg thinks you have edited something when you haven't.. |
| 10:18.16 | sourdough | usually when a config moves from one package to antoher, thats probably what happened here |
| 10:19.03 | burntash | sourdough: what do you run, what kind of computer, etc |
| 10:19.22 | sourdough | ive got a self built x86 and a blue g3 |
| 10:19.29 | sourdough | among others.. |
| 10:19.37 | burntash | ah |
| 10:19.51 | burntash | im waiting to see which is faster on this ibook g4, mac os 10.3.2 or debian |
| 10:20.00 | sourdough | debian |
| 10:20.10 | burntash | im betting on that |
| 10:20.15 | sourdough | fast and osx cannot be used in the same sentence |
| 10:20.18 | burntash | im not a big fan of mac os x right now |
| 10:20.28 | burntash | but im keeping just to play with and in case anything goes wrong |
| 10:20.39 | sourdough | now, slow and osx most certainly can, and must be used in the same sentence |
| 10:21.01 | sourdough | usually osx is the cause of something going wrong.. |
| 10:21.02 | burntash | im hoping that debian will work with all my ibook features |
| 10:21.15 | burntash | brightness, volume, sleep, closing lid sleep, etc |
| 10:21.21 | sourdough | like `helpfully' upgrading the PMU firmware to break linux kernels without telling anyone |
| 10:21.39 | sourdough | burntash yeah most of that works now |
| 10:21.46 | sourdough | burntash you will have to biuld a benh kernel for the sleep yet |
| 10:21.52 | sourdough | and install a daeon for the buttons |
| 10:22.06 | burntash | like PBButtons |
| 10:22.10 | sourdough | yup |
| 10:22.47 | sourdough | its still a new peice of hardware, everything isn't quite all in place yet kernelwise and XFree wise |
| 10:23.00 | burntash | ya it just came out in october no? |
| 10:24.06 | sourdough | something like that |
| 10:24.25 | sourdough | takes several monthes for new apple hardware to get to whree all the default software just works |
| 10:24.35 | burntash | im thinking after this dist-upgrade i should add Mac OS X and CD-Rom to the boot menu |
| 10:24.48 | sourdough | sure, its easy |
| 10:24.55 | sourdough | man yaboot.conf |
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| 10:31.07 | burntash | er i just did tasksel and hit finish and it did broken packages again |
| 10:31.32 | MrKennie | where does the kernel get /proc/cpuinfo from? cos mines wrong ;) |
| 10:31.33 | burntash | unmet dependencies |
| 10:32.39 | simonrvn | MrKennie: shoot, what's it say? |
| 10:32.55 | MrKennie | claims its running at 193mhz |
| 10:33.05 | MrKennie | I actually have a G3 300mhz upgrade in it |
| 10:33.05 | simonrvn | g3 upgrade, right? |
| 10:33.09 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 10:33.10 | MrKennie | yea |
| 10:33.13 | burntash | all KDE stuff |
| 10:34.22 | simonrvn | there's another 'cpu gauge' in /proc.. cpu_frequency or something |
| 10:34.43 | dondelelcaro | MrKennie: hrm. which G3 Upgrade card is that? |
| 10:34.46 | MrKennie | oh before I build this kernel.. bzImage should be safe ? |
| 10:34.51 | MrKennie | dondelelcaro: sonnet |
| 10:34.59 | dondelelcaro | heh. I have one of those too... |
| 10:35.23 | MrKennie | your /proc/cpuinfo the same? |
| 10:35.38 | MrKennie | cpu : 750 |
| 10:35.38 | MrKennie | temperature : 0 C |
| 10:35.39 | MrKennie | clock : 195MHz |
| 10:35.47 | dondelelcaro | MrKennie: that system isn't running right this second... however, I do remember those cards being tuneable to some degree... |
| 10:36.44 | simonrvn | MrKennie: no, zImage |
| 10:36.45 | MrKennie | hmm |
| 10:37.07 | simonrvn | bzImage fake target on ppc as of so far |
| 10:37.10 | MrKennie | cool |
| 10:37.13 | MrKennie | ok |
| 10:37.36 | MrKennie | might explain why it failed on my iMac then :) |
| 10:37.42 | simonrvn | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/macppc/ and check out the G3 upgrade link |
| 10:37.48 | simonrvn | front page |
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| 10:39.16 | bjck2 | hi |
| 10:39.18 | bjck2 | salut |
| 10:39.23 | simonrvn | hi |
| 10:39.42 | bjck2 | I want to install woody on a 6100 (PPC OldWorld) and I have a problem with the installer |
| 10:39.55 | bjck2 | is someone could help me ? |
| 10:40.02 | simonrvn | that's a nubus pmac. won't work |
| 10:40.11 | bjck2 | why ? |
| 10:40.13 | simonrvn | nubus-pmac.sourceforge.net |
| 10:40.23 | simonrvn | not easily anyway |
| 10:41.09 | bjck2 | I know it ; I have the right kernel and ths install can be started |
| 10:41.26 | simonrvn | ok :) |
| 10:41.29 | bjck2 | but the istaller don't see my hard drive |
| 10:41.37 | simonrvn | so what's the hiccup then? |
| 10:41.41 | bjck2 | and I don't know why |
| 10:41.51 | simonrvn | lack of driver? |
| 10:42.02 | simonrvn | or not modprobed? |
| 10:42.06 | bjck2 | no hard drive detected |
| 10:42.26 | simonrvn | hrm, does lspci work on nubus.. |
| 10:42.52 | bjck2 | ? |
| 10:42.59 | bjck2 | lspci ? |
| 10:43.20 | simonrvn | bjck2: that's usually an indication of a) HDD problems b) no kernel driver c) there's no drive to be seen, cuz there isn't one =) |
| 10:43.34 | simonrvn | scsi right? |
| 10:43.39 | simonrvn | doh |
| 10:43.41 | bjck2 | I think that's the driver |
| 10:43.46 | bjck2 | yes it is |
| 10:44.01 | bjck2 | installer don't see the HD at all |
| 10:44.13 | simonrvn | nubus macs are kinda not in my experience.. :/. m68k i can deal with though =) |
| 10:44.37 | burntash | i added my options to yaboot for macosx and cdrom and it gave me that menu for like 2 seconds then went to a new yaboot menu where the only choice was linux |
| 10:44.40 | bjck2 | oki ;-) |
| 10:44.42 | burntash | how do i fix that |
| 10:44.44 | simonrvn | try this: |
| 10:44.53 | simonrvn | cat /proc/pci |
| 10:45.08 | simonrvn | wild guess that probably won,t work, but WTF |
| 10:45.29 | simonrvn | oh wait.. |
| 10:45.36 | bjck2 | yes ? |
| 10:45.41 | MrKennie | simonrvn: I'm not sure I have the extension for the card for mac os |
| 10:45.45 | simonrvn | bjck2: you first need to mount /proc if you're still in the installer |
| 10:46.01 | simonrvn | MrKennie: it's gettable |
| 10:46.06 | simonrvn | their web site |
| 10:46.12 | MrKennie | right |
| 10:46.23 | MrKennie | so how comes its disabled? |
| 10:46.40 | bjck2 | I'm relaunching it... |
| 10:46.49 | bjck2 | but why /proc ? |
| 10:46.51 | MrKennie | l2 cache that is |
| 10:47.06 | MrKennie | ooh I see all sorts of cool things |
| 10:47.10 | simonrvn | the extension does some funky shit to the card, inits the l2 cache, and other as-of-yet opaque stuff to me. other people know, but they're not here right now |
| 10:47.48 | MrKennie | so cpuinfo is actually telling teh truth |
| 10:47.56 | simonrvn | bjck2: because that will tell you what you have on your busses, and see which driver you need to load |
| 10:48.09 | bjck2 | oki ;-) |
| 10:48.26 | burntash | what do i do when what i choose in tasksel tells me that i have broken packages |
| 10:48.27 | simonrvn | MrKennie: not quite. the l2 cache is off, as in turned off, but the cpu freq seems to be outright false |
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| 10:48.36 | burntash | that KDE has a bunch of dependencies |
| 10:48.38 | simonrvn | burntash: fuck tasksel, it's borken |
| 10:48.56 | simonrvn | get into dselect and fix it from there |
| 10:49.07 | simonrvn | tasksel is just going to drive you nuts |
| 10:49.15 | MrKennie | did me a long time ago |
| 10:49.23 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 10:49.29 | burntash | dselect scares the shit out of me |
| 10:49.38 | MrKennie | you'll get used to it |
| 10:50.25 | MrKennie | there is a tutorial for it somewhere |
| 10:50.42 | bjck2 | even if you don't have the right solution I know where I have to prospect now thanks simonrvm ; I will try it and if that doesn't work I'll come back later to ask again ; maybe some people have done what I looking for :-) |
| 10:51.21 | simonrvn | yeh, you press h in dselect :) |
| 10:51.35 | MrKennie | that helps too :) |
| 10:51.37 | simonrvn | bjck2: likely |
| 10:51.45 | simonrvn | good luck |
| 10:51.46 | bjck2 | :-) |
| 10:51.55 | bjck2 | bye |
| 10:51.59 | burntash | once im in a sublist how do i get back out ofit |
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| 10:52.00 | simonrvn | lates |
| 10:52.16 | simonrvn | sublist? |
| 10:52.25 | simonrvn | where are you now? |
| 10:52.58 | burntash | when i do shift and the plus key to choose add/install |
| 10:53.09 | burntash | it sends me to the sublist to also add the dependencies |
| 10:53.45 | MrKennie | I'm gonna need lots of notes for this machine, I plan on reinstalling saving the kernel I'm building and getting rid of mac os once and for all. besides I have a bigger drive for it |
| 10:54.17 | MrKennie | thats the plan anyway :) |
| 10:54.18 | simonrvn | MrKennie: yeh, i have a 2 gb drive for booting MOL ;) |
| 10:54.29 | burntash | whats with all the * next to shit |
| 10:54.43 | simonrvn | means it'S installed. read the help |
| 10:54.52 | simonrvn | press h |
| 10:56.24 | burntash | and if its _* that means your gonna install it? |
| 10:56.42 | simonrvn | yup |
| 10:56.50 | simonrvn | marked to be installed |
| 10:57.04 | simonrvn | see you're getting the hang of it already ;) |
| 10:57.06 | burntash | heh dont even know what half these packages do |
| 10:57.16 | burntash | ya theres like 8000 packages to look through =x |
| 10:57.23 | burntash | at this rate ill be done by friday |
| 10:57.52 | MrKennie | just build it up as you go |
| 10:57.53 | simonrvn | take your time :) |
| 10:59.47 | simonrvn | control? |
| 11:00.04 | simonrvn | oh, for the card.. right |
| 11:00.09 | MrKennie | no.. permedia3 I think |
| 11:00.26 | MrKennie | help indicated that it works with my card |
| 11:00.47 | MrKennie | disabled by default, which might explain my problem |
| 11:01.34 | MrKennie | wonder how far I can take the cpu :) |
| 11:02.20 | burntash | whatever im missing later on i just apt-get right? |
| 11:02.33 | burntash | i dont gotta worry about missing packages |
| 11:02.50 | burntash | apt-get will download its dependencies |
| 11:03.09 | MrKennie | yup |
| 11:03.37 | burntash | cause i know im gonna miss a lot of shit ill probably later need |
| 11:03.42 | simonrvn | MrKennie: yeh, just the more common stuff is enabled by default |
| 11:04.06 | simonrvn | and that stupid ADB_KEYCODES... |
| 11:04.21 | MrKennie | the next thing I need to fix is OF cant open the boot device after its switched off, but I read something about that |
| 11:04.28 | MrKennie | I disabled that |
| 11:05.02 | simonrvn | 9500 is a nice box ;) |
| 11:05.09 | MrKennie | I think its cos the disk takes time to spin up |
| 11:05.22 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 11:05.22 | MrKennie | and it gives up too quick |
| 11:06.35 | liiwi | the hard disk sleds on 9500's are crapola |
| 11:07.06 | liiwi | you can get them permanently stuck pretty easily |
| 11:08.12 | MrKennie | might explain why I cant remove the cdrom |
| 11:08.14 | MrKennie | ;) |
| 11:08.30 | liiwi | let's just say that it's really really tight |
| 11:09.06 | MrKennie | and my "superdrive"! |
| 11:09.28 | burntash | so many packagesssssssss |
| 11:09.41 | liiwi | precioussss packagessss |
| 11:09.53 | liiwi | and sooo many bugs! |
| 11:09.57 | liiwi | to fix! |
| 11:10.00 | burntash | heh |
| 11:10.05 | burntash | which i know will screw my system up |
| 11:12.00 | sourdough | ravenbird bzImage |
| 11:12.01 | ravenbird | from memory, bzimage is the same as zImage but allows compressed images to be larger than 512KB. bzImage is NOT compressed w/ bzip2. bzImage == big zImage. |
| 11:12.25 | liiwi | http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-rel/?ca=dgr-lnxw04LinuxReliable |
| 11:12.29 | sourdough | ravenbird bzImage is also an x86 specific kludge to deal with x86' broken design |
| 11:12.30 | ravenbird | sourdough: okay |
| 11:12.34 | sourdough | ravenbird bzImage |
| 11:12.35 | ravenbird | from memory, bzimage is the same as zImage but allows compressed images to be larger than 512KB. bzImage is NOT compressed w/ bzip2. bzImage == big zImage. an x86 specific kludge to deal with x86' broken design |
| 11:12.42 | MrKennie | hehe |
| 11:15.02 | sourdough | 1000 bugs in the bts, take one bug and ignore it, 1000 bugs in the bts! |
| 11:15.27 | burntash | i added my options to yaboot for macosx and cdrom and it gave me that menu for like 2 seconds then went to a new yaboot menu where the only choice was linux |
| 11:15.44 | core | oi |
| 11:15.47 | sourdough | burntash man yaboot.conf look at the timeout option |
| 11:15.48 | burntash | how do i fix that |
| 11:15.54 | burntash | the timeout i think was set to 30 |
| 11:15.59 | sourdough | hi co |
| 11:16.00 | burntash | but i didnt have no 30 seconds, more like 2 seconds |
| 11:16.01 | sourdough | hi core |
| 11:16.06 | core | :) |
| 11:16.16 | sourdough | burntash man yaboot.conf, thats 3 seconds not 30 seconds |
| 11:16.34 | sourdough | ask the lilo developers why they did it that way |
| 11:16.53 | burntash | so... it defaultly chooses linux and then goes to the linux yaboot? |
| 11:16.55 | sourdough | 30 seconds would be timeout=300 |
| 11:17.03 | sourdough | yup |
| 11:17.06 | burntash | i see |
| 11:17.10 | MrKennie | so you could have 35 for 3.5 seconds? :) |
| 11:17.13 | sourdough | the dual boot stuff in yaboot 1 is a kludge |
| 11:17.15 | burntash | i was wondering why there were 2 boot menus |
| 11:17.21 | sourdough | MrKennie yeah probably |
| 11:17.36 | sourdough | burntash yaboot2 should fix that stuff, eventually |
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| 11:27.35 | burntash | is it best to not install kde or gnome in dselect? |
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| 11:28.00 | burntash | should i even be choosing anything in dselect or should i just apt-get whatever i wanna use |
| 11:28.18 | simonrvn | those are complex, i'd do it from dselect |
| 11:28.39 | burntash | cause i have no idea what to include in those |
| 11:28.47 | burntash | i just end up holding the shift and + key |
| 11:28.55 | burntash | so it puts every possible package in |
| 11:30.32 | burntash | well screw it, ill just quit, go to tasksel, and choose everything i need beside desktop environment |
| 11:30.58 | burntash | this is way too complicating for me |
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| 11:36.14 | MrKennie | eek |
| 11:36.24 | MrKennie | make[2]: *** [53c7,8xx.o] Error 1 |
| 11:36.25 | MrKennie | make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.23/drivers/scsi' |
| 11:41.39 | simonrvn | burntash: of course it is, you're telling it to install everytihng |
| 11:41.55 | simonrvn | fucked driver? ugh |
| 11:43.58 | burntash | do i just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:44.05 | burntash | to get X working on my ibook? |
| 11:44.40 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 11:44.52 | burntash | it has support for the radeon 9200 mobility? |
| 11:44.53 | simonrvn | might want to google for some configs if you want |
| 11:45.09 | simonrvn | oh. uh, might need to install 4.3 on that.. |
| 11:45.20 | burntash | how do i install 4.3 |
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| 11:47.59 | simonrvn | that requires sid. but i'd go looking for some backports on either www.backports.org or www.apt-get.org |
| 11:49.10 | MrKennie | 4.3 made it to sid? |
| 11:49.15 | burntash | http://www.apt-get.org/search.php?query=xfree&submit=&arch%5B%5D=powerpc |
| 11:52.45 | burntash | how do i go about getting it |
| 11:52.51 | schasi | Um im sorry, but the fdisk howto doesnt exist if i try to access it |
| 11:54.18 | schasi | I mean the one in the topic |
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| 11:55.17 | schasi | And i found my error. ^^ it works |
| 12:04.12 | burntash | how do i get 4.3 |
| 12:04.22 | MrKennie | I bet compiling a kernel on a G5 is fun |
| 12:04.57 | burntash | how do i get the latest benhk kernel |
| 12:07.32 | MrKennie | simonrvn: there? |
| 12:09.40 | MrKennie | um.. where does the kernel image get put when its done? |
| 12:09.56 | MrKennie | I cant find it where I used to finding it |
| 12:10.40 | simonrvn | vmlinux, in top dir |
| 12:11.06 | simonrvn | MrKennie: it will, next upload (xfree) |
| 12:11.25 | MrKennie | oh I see |
| 12:11.46 | MrKennie | hmm |
| 12:11.53 | MrKennie | even if I did zImage? |
| 12:13.37 | MrKennie | well here goes |
| 12:14.28 | MrKennie | still failed |
| 12:17.07 | MrKennie | opening display /bandit@F2000000/formacGA4_8@E... failed |
| 12:17.07 | MrKennie | copying OF device tree...done |
| 12:17.07 | MrKennie | Calling quiesce ... |
| 12:17.07 | MrKennie | returning 0x00510000 from prom_init |
| 12:17.13 | MrKennie | thats it |
| 12:19.00 | burntash | how do i get the latest benh kernel? |
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| 12:29.32 | tarzeau | burntash: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ |
| 12:29.38 | tarzeau | see my benh_update script in powerpc or so |
| 12:31.04 | MrKennie | hmm.. looks like my card is not supported after all |
| 12:31.18 | simonrvn | damn |
| 12:31.41 | MrKennie | cant seem to find a fb driver for it.. I actually chose the wrong one, didn't read it properly |
| 12:31.46 | simonrvn | could be you got lied to re: the mac support. might try flashing it (and some research first too ;) |
| 12:31.53 | simonrvn | oh |
| 12:31.59 | simonrvn | nm then |
| 12:32.25 | shrek | ls |
| 12:32.29 | shrek | sorry |
| 12:32.29 | MrKennie | searching around to see what works but its not a common beast |
| 12:32.38 | MrKennie | Imagine 128 |
| 12:33.12 | MrKennie | or so the sticker says, Pro-Vision 4 |
| 12:33.16 | simonrvn | i've never heard of it, frankly |
| 12:33.29 | MrKennie | more references to Imagine 128 tho |
| 12:33.40 | MrKennie | plenty of X11 references |
| 12:33.41 | chlunde | I had a Number Nine Imagine-somthing-card, it had a S3 chipset. |
| 12:33.42 | burntash | tarzeau: after i type that what do i do |
| 12:34.01 | MrKennie | chlunde: this has some weird one.. LSI? or something |
| 12:35.56 | MrKennie | hmm |
| 12:36.16 | MrKennie | annoying.. everything works just fine except for the most important part. hehe |
| 12:36.57 | tarzeau | burntash: it downloads it |
| 12:37.02 | tarzeau | if you have rsync |
| 12:37.07 | MrKennie | I do wonder how it works with bootx tho... |
| 12:38.12 | MrKennie | maybe I could see what framebuffer driver its using with the kernel I used with bootx. but I suppose the video is already activated or something so it dont matter |
| 12:39.48 | burntash | tarzeau: then i use someones .config and do make oldconfig? |
| 12:39.53 | burntash | and etc building the kernel |
| 12:40.26 | tarzeau | no |
| 12:40.39 | tarzeau | got ibook right? |
| 12:40.43 | burntash | ya |
| 12:40.46 | burntash | the new ibook g4 |
| 12:41.01 | tarzeau | read my powerpc dir |
| 12:41.24 | burntash | ya |
| 12:42.39 | burntash | use your dotconfig? |
| 12:43.56 | MrKennie | Using unsupported 640x480 formacGA4_8 at 82000180, depth=8, pitch=640 |
| 12:44.46 | burntash | how do i grab the xfree 4.3 |
| 12:49.25 | simonrvn | lates |
| 12:50.01 | tarzeau | burntash: no |
| 12:51.18 | burntash | what do i do for a kernal and getting xfree working |
| 12:51.24 | burntash | kernel* |
| 12:54.58 | LarstiQ | hmm? |
| 12:55.35 | burntash | trying to get the most recent benh kernel working on my new debian install on my new ibook g4, and it has radeon 9200 mobility so i need the newest xfree too |
| 12:55.38 | burntash | cause i cant get x workin |
| 13:01.33 | LarstiQ | burntash: try experimental for X |
| 13:01.54 | burntash | how |
| 13:06.14 | MrKennie | well if anyone has a pci graphics card that is supported I'm interested :) |
| 13:09.06 | LarstiQ | burntash: see people.debian.org/~branden/ |
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| 13:41.12 | DarioT | hi to all |
| 13:41.29 | DarioT | I've downloaded the kernel but make menuconfig and xconfig doesn't work |
| 13:41.41 | DarioT | i've tryed to apt-get install libncurses |
| 13:41.46 | DarioT | and qt-devel |
| 13:41.48 | DarioT | but nothing |
| 13:41.50 | DarioT | any hint? |
| 13:42.17 | LarstiQ | libncurses5-dev |
| 13:42.33 | DarioT | and for the qt? |
| 13:42.45 | LarstiQ | libqt3-mt-dev or some such? |
| 13:42.49 | LarstiQ | DarioT: apt-cache search! |
| 13:43.06 | DarioT | sorry i'm new to debian! |
| 13:43.34 | LarstiQ | you're learning :) |
| 13:43.40 | DarioT | of course! |
| 13:43.50 | DarioT | I'm from years of slack! |
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| 15:00.22 | vash_ | anyone familiar with upgrading older g3s? |
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| 16:30.32 | tarzeau | hi powerbook |
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| 18:26.01 | sheskar | Hi. |
| 18:26.34 | sheskar | Does the MOL modules work with 2.6? |
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| 19:02.23 | vash_ | i'd like to upgrade this recently given mac |
| 19:02.31 | vash_ | its G3 400Mhz |
| 19:02.39 | vash_ | debian lists this as a newworld powerpc |
| 19:02.57 | vash_ | if i could, i'd like to upgrade the ram, but does the machine take pc133? |
| 19:05.49 | chlunde | Can someone try kopete in sid? I get a relocation error. |
| 19:05.51 | Bor_Ed | it should run pc133 ram at 100/66MHz whatever the ram bus speed is |
| 19:07.41 | vash_ | Bor_Ed: ok, i knew some PCs had problems with pc133 ram, if the system originally took 66mhz |
| 19:07.47 | malik_ | chlunde: kopete: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libkopete.so.1: R_PPC_REL24 relocation at 0x0ff9f470 for symbol `XextCreateExtension' out of range |
| 19:07.50 | vash_ | most were ok with pc100, but some were bad with 133 |
| 19:07.55 | vash_ | i'll plop some into this box |
| 19:08.05 | Bor_Ed | vash_: here k6-2 runs pc133 ram at 100 without probs |
| 19:08.26 | vash_ | for my pc, pc133 in pc100 system was fine |
| 19:08.27 | Bor_Ed | should work on ppc mobo just the same |
| 19:08.32 | vash_ | for the macs, i had to ask |
| 19:08.33 | chlunde | malik_: Thanks, I think compiling with -fPIC fixes it, I'm submitting a bug report now. |
| 19:08.44 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 19:08.46 | vash_ | since i have a 400mhz system, what could i possibly upgrade to? |
| 19:08.58 | vash_ | can i plop in a faster chip, like a pc? |
| 19:09.02 | malik_ | chlunde: k |
| 19:09.05 | vash_ | or am i talking an addin board? |
| 19:09.38 | Bor_Ed | check if it's got cpu on card or on zif |
| 19:09.55 | vash_ | so i'd have to open it |
| 19:10.03 | vash_ | if i gave you output of cpuinfo, would that help? |
| 19:10.10 | Bor_Ed | well if you're adding ram you might have to open anyway |
| 19:10.20 | Bor_Ed | cpuinfo is gibberish to me |
| 19:10.40 | vash_ | ok, thanks |
| 19:11.00 | vash_ | this system is stock from whenever it was purchased, i'm betting it would be ziff |
| 19:11.07 | vash_ | were the older g3s on card? |
| 19:11.38 | Bor_Ed | I've got something telling me that some were, could be wrong too |
| 19:13.01 | vash_ | thanks |
| 19:13.10 | vash_ | now i have everything working in this g3 |
| 19:13.16 | vash_ | makes a nice deb box |
| 19:13.54 | Bor_Ed | I run deb on 601/90 ... nice box too :) |
| 19:14.51 | vash_ | this actually seems a bit more responsive than some of my x86 boxes |
| 19:14.58 | vash_ | even though they had faster cpu/mem/disk |
| 19:15.06 | vash_ | both machines even ran flux |
| 19:15.18 | Bor_Ed | friend installed drake/ppc to g4/400 and he says it's faster than athlonxp 1700+ :P |
| 19:16.23 | vash_ | i want to trry the 2.6, but i don't want to break anything on my debian box |
| 19:16.33 | vash_ | even running sarge, it "just works" |
| 19:16.45 | Bor_Ed | I run sid here on this 601 and 486 |
| 19:17.19 | vash_ | can this g3 run OSX? |
| 19:17.34 | vash_ | i'm betting cocoa would be slow with 128 megs of ram, but would it work? |
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| 19:18.15 | Bor_Ed | craposx might crawl on that but certainly not run |
| 19:19.27 | vash_ | its difficult to pry a functional deb box from me |
| 19:19.33 | vash_ | but its a free toy |
| 19:19.38 | vash_ | just needs a bit more umph with ram |
| 19:19.48 | vash_ | leave cpu as-is, so i'm not tempted to game |
| 19:25.33 | zorton | anyone know a heck of alot about a DAT drives? |
| 19:25.48 | zorton | got a old FWB HammerDat2000 SCSI that I found in the closet |
| 19:29.26 | mmaddin | ... except the tapes are tooo small ;-) |
| 19:29.27 | zorton | just trying to figure out how much I can cram into this drive |
| 19:29.35 | zorton | look slike 2GB :) |
| 19:29.58 | mmaddin | possible. /me uses DDS2 tapes of 120meter length -> 4GB native capacity |
| 19:30.35 | zorton | DDS2? that's what i'm trying to find is the capatability notes |
| 19:30.57 | zorton | from intimecatalog.com it looks like the HammerDat2000 can use 4mm tapes up tto 4.0GB |
| 19:31.46 | mmaddin | vendor info frequently states the "compressed size" using a very optimistic compression estimate of 2:1. Actual compression rate depends very much on the type of date |
| 19:32.03 | zorton | what defines DDS2? |
| 19:32.38 | mmaddin | hmmm, not sure. It's just some sort of standard I guess. |
| 19:32.49 | zorton | k |
| 19:35.48 | mmaddin | zorton: you got some tapes for the drive? then just try to dd to it and see how much data it takes before hitting end-of-tape |
| 19:36.01 | zorton | mmaddin: no tapes found yet |
| 19:36.12 | zorton | mmaddin: that's why i'm trying to lookup compatbiliity nfo |
| 19:36.15 | zorton | looks like DDS |
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| 20:09.29 | malik_ | bighawk: hi there, took a look at ben3 yet ? |
| 20:09.57 | bighawk | nope |
| 20:10.01 | bighawk | i ll after new year |
| 20:10.17 | bighawk | been busy with my project last days |
| 20:10.57 | bighawk | wrote about 1200 lines of code last 2 days |
| 20:12.36 | malik_ | what kinda project, language ? |
| 20:29.03 | bighawk | malik_: c |
| 20:29.28 | bighawk | malik_: it's a "hobby" project with potential :) |
| 20:30.21 | bighawk | malik_: i programmed asynchronous dns lookup facilities and integrated them with the main eventloop and implemented host access control (rules parser + runtime system) |
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| 21:09.33 | simonrvn | bighawk: sounds neat |
| 21:11.24 | bighawk | http://sourceforge.net/projects/aesop/ |
| 21:13.12 | Gnuman | is that the fabled project? |
| 21:13.26 | Gnuman | (sorry, couldn't resist) |
| 21:14.01 | Gnuman | OK, have to check out if the joystick I just got will work with the rudder pedals. . . |
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| 23:37.18 | spacecowboy | hi |
| 23:37.30 | spacecowboy | anyone around? |
| 23:37.59 | powerbook | spacecowboy: yes |
| 23:38.00 | simonrvn | no ;P |
| 23:38.06 | spacecowboy | nice guys :p |
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| 23:39.14 | simonrvn | @wb spacecowboy |
| 23:39.18 | ravenbird | Welcome back spacecowboy, oh lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 23:39.18 | simonrvn | @wb bob2 |
| 23:39.20 | ravenbird | Welcome back bob2, oh lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 23:39.24 | simonrvn | :D |
| 23:39.26 | spacecowboy | thanks |
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