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| 00:09.45 | deathbyrice | can someone help me out with X? |
| 00:09.53 | deathbyrice | I'm having a bit of trouble |
| 00:10.22 | deathbyrice | 'startx' returns the message that I have a fatal error |
| 00:12.13 | deathbyrice | dude(?) suggested that I find the error by typing: grep \(EE\) /var/log/XFree* |
| 00:13.19 | deathbyrice | grep returned: (EE) No devices detected. |
| 00:17.02 | myXtie | what is your hardware ?? what is the xfree version ? is this src xfree or deb ? is this a fresh startup of x or did you already have and install that worked ? |
| 00:17.28 | deathbyrice | i have an apple iMac G4 |
| 00:17.59 | deathbyrice | I don't know the version, I installed it from apt-get |
| 00:18.15 | myXtie | woody ? |
| 00:18.20 | deathbyrice | yes |
| 00:18.35 | myXtie | first time install ? |
| 00:18.38 | deathbyrice | yes |
| 00:20.15 | myXtie | iMac G-4 I don't know what graphics card |
| 00:21.50 | deathbyrice | GeForce2 MX |
| 00:23.47 | myXtie | ah yes well there is a small probelm there, I have had problems with that card and xfree search and you will see |
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| 00:24.00 | gilligan_ | hi |
| 00:24.14 | gilligan_ | what macro does g++ define on ppc platform? |
| 00:24.31 | yakk | __powerpc__ is defined iirc |
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| 00:25.48 | gilligan_ | lets test that.. |
| 00:26.54 | gilligan_ | yep |
| 00:26.55 | gilligan_ | thanks |
| 00:27.34 | deathbyrice | :( so how do I get around the problem of GeForce2 MX and XFree86? |
| 00:29.20 | myXtie | deathbyrice I have never tried that card on ppc but on a pc with that card and debian woody it didn't work but I moved that pc to testing ( sarge ) then unstable and it works fine ( it is a friends box ) |
| 00:29.57 | deathbyrice | ok |
| 00:30.03 | myXtie | I only have macs and one is on unstable the other is on stable and unstable is safe |
| 00:30.24 | deathbyrice | how do I obtain sarge? |
| 00:30.37 | myXtie | or you might find a backport of a newer xfree to woody |
| 00:34.09 | myXtie | deathbyrice : change your /etc/apt/sources.list placing either "testing" or "unstable" where the word "stable" is I suggest you read more on it at debian |
| 00:34.43 | yakk | backports.org or somewhere like that should have a newer x |
| 00:34.52 | yakk | don't know about for powerpc though |
| 00:35.15 | deathbyrice | right now, I'm downloading the net install image for sarge. |
| 00:35.44 | deathbyrice | I'll try installing that. |
| 00:36.15 | myXtie | ok |
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| 01:07.26 | gilligan_ | are there any ppc based machines with parallel ports? |
| 01:08.13 | yakk | pegasos? |
| 01:08.27 | yakk | bebox? |
| 01:11.03 | gilligan_ | are those answers or possibly answers :) |
| 01:11.54 | gilligan_ | anyway..horribly tired |
| 01:14.35 | myXtie | all machines are parallel to ports if you throw them into the bay ;) |
| 01:21.58 | yakk | hi, does anyone have any idea why I'd get "radeonfb: cannot reserve FB region" from 2.6.0-ben3? |
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| 01:24.34 | vash_ | how can i change the fonts in xfree to be a bit smaller? |
| 01:24.42 | vash_ | the default unstable fonts are a bit too large |
| 01:25.20 | yakk | in what software? in gnome just go to the fonts control applet and choose smaller fonts |
| 01:25.31 | vash_ | in xfree in general |
| 01:25.37 | vash_ | i'm using fluxbox |
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| 01:57.42 | myXtie | vash_ i've never used it but you might try defoma or one of its sub programs |
| 01:58.41 | mzilikazi | not too familiar w/ ppc- how to boot a debian install cd on an old-world? |
| 01:59.59 | myXtie | whois vash_ |
| 02:03.43 | myXtie | mzilikazi : what is your hardware ? |
| 02:04.33 | mzilikazi | UMAX s900 140M imstt128 9.1G & 2.1G SCSI- no macos |
| 02:05.48 | myXtie | does that have a 601 603 604 7400 or what ? |
| 02:06.03 | mzilikazi | i have woody installed but can't get XF86Config-4 right it has a 602e |
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| 03:53.01 | burntash | how do i get Xfree 4.3 |
| 03:53.55 | jjbenham | eb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main |
| 03:54.04 | jjbenham | add that to sources.list |
| 03:54.12 | jjbenham | it is missing a d in front |
| 03:54.36 | burntash | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main |
| 03:54.40 | burntash | add that? and then what |
| 03:54.52 | jjbenham | then you do apt-get -t experimental install x-window-system xfree86-common |
| 03:54.58 | jjbenham | and then whatever xserver you use |
| 03:55.07 | burntash | trying to get X on my new ibook g4 |
| 03:55.15 | burntash | i just installed debian sarge last night |
| 03:55.18 | jjbenham | you have too apt-get update first |
| 03:55.22 | burntash | but i cant get X to work |
| 03:55.23 | jjbenham | ok |
| 03:56.28 | burntash | ok i added that |
| 03:56.35 | burntash | now apt-get update ? |
| 03:57.15 | jjbenham | yes |
| 03:57.19 | burntash | ok |
| 03:57.32 | burntash | done with that |
| 03:58.47 | burntash | i already have Xfree86 4.2 installed |
| 03:59.08 | burntash | do i remove it or upgrade or what |
| 03:59.14 | jjbenham | it will upgrade it |
| 03:59.21 | jjbenham | you don't need to remove it |
| 03:59.24 | jjbenham | just type in: |
| 03:59.32 | jjbenham | apt-get -t experimental install x-window-system xfree86-common |
| 03:59.47 | jjbenham | you also want to add and xserver on top of that |
| 03:59.56 | jjbenham | probably xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:00.06 | burntash | apt-get -t experimental install x-window-system xfree86-common xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:00.06 | burntash | ? |
| 04:00.10 | jjbenham | yes |
| 04:00.47 | burntash | alright its downloading |
| 04:01.28 | burntash | done |
| 04:01.53 | jjbenham | that should be it |
| 04:02.02 | jjbenham | now you need to configure x |
| 04:02.04 | burntash | how do i configure it |
| 04:02.11 | burntash | to work on my radeon 9200 mobility |
| 04:02.54 | jjbenham | you might want to download someone elses XF86config |
| 04:03.26 | jjbenham | if you have the radeon I think you might be interested in the dri tree. |
| 04:03.51 | burntash | eh? |
| 04:03.56 | jjbenham | that may be in experimental also |
| 04:04.24 | jjbenham | the ati radion gets graphic excleeration in linux! |
| 04:04.31 | jjbenham | acceleration |
| 04:04.52 | jjbenham | I have never set that up before. |
| 04:04.54 | burntash | i did startx and my screen is all shaky |
| 04:04.59 | burntash | probably the refresh rate |
| 04:05.05 | jjbenham | maybe |
| 04:05.10 | burntash | i exited out of debians twm now its just hung |
| 04:05.16 | burntash | with scriggly lines on my screen |
| 04:05.21 | burntash | ;/ |
| 04:05.55 | jjbenham | are you ssh'd into you ibook or something? |
| 04:06.07 | burntash | no |
| 04:06.20 | burntash | ive got my ibook sitting next to me |
| 04:06.57 | jjbenham | http://www.pseudorandom.co.uk/2003/debian/tibook/ |
| 04:07.02 | jjbenham | check out that website |
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| 04:08.54 | burntash | i guess i gotta turn off the laptop |
| 04:08.55 | burntash | and turn it abck on |
| 04:09.38 | burntash | thats not using the same video card |
| 04:10.42 | burntash | maybe i can use this guys x config http://www.geekounet.org/powerbook/ibookg4.html |
| 04:14.02 | jjbenham | he has this: |
| 04:14.04 | jjbenham | Option "XkbLayout" "macintosh/fr_new" |
| 04:14.04 | jjbenham | EndSection |
| 04:14.25 | burntash | eh? |
| 04:14.40 | burntash | i copied his XF86Config-4 and did startx |
| 04:14.44 | jjbenham | you probably want this instead |
| 04:14.45 | burntash | and it does the same scribbly line shit |
| 04:14.46 | jjbenham | Option "XkbModel" "Macintosh" |
| 04:14.46 | jjbenham | Option "XkbLayout" "us" |
| 04:14.46 | jjbenham | Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" |
| 04:14.54 | jjbenham | do you speak french? |
| 04:15.12 | burntash | no |
| 04:15.30 | burntash | its still wrong cause my screen keeps going scribbly |
| 04:15.32 | jjbenham | he has his keyboard layout set to french |
| 04:15.54 | jjbenham | I am thinking that you need a different xserver |
| 04:16.32 | burntash | i dunno what i need |
| 04:16.36 | burntash | heh |
| 04:17.12 | burntash | what kind of xserver |
| 04:18.06 | jjbenham | sorry thats not what i meant |
| 04:18.27 | jjbenham | most people I have talk to that has a radeon card uses the dri tree |
| 04:19.03 | jjbenham | http://dri.freedesktop.org/~daenzer/debian/dri-trunk-sid |
| 04:19.32 | burntash | how do i use that |
| 04:24.02 | jjbenham | Here I found this http://dri.freedesktop.org/~daenzer/debian/dri-trunk-sid |
| 04:24.08 | jjbenham | sorry ignore that url |
| 04:24.24 | jjbenham | http://lists.netisland.net/archives/plug/plug-2003-07/msg00462.html |
| 04:24.27 | jjbenham | this one |
| 04:24.37 | jjbenham | this gut has the same card you have |
| 04:24.43 | jjbenham | 9200 right? |
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| 04:26.03 | jjbenham | thats as far as I can help sorry |
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| 04:27.34 | burntash | ya |
| 04:28.36 | burntash | i gotta rebuild my kernel? |
| 04:29.39 | burntash | do you know how i can use the latest benh kernel |
| 04:30.57 | jjbenham | the 2.6? |
| 04:31.25 | burntash | ya |
| 04:31.37 | burntash | ive downloaded test11 by him |
| 04:31.38 | jjbenham | make a directory |
| 04:31.54 | jjbenham | mkdir /usr/src/benh_kern2.6 or something |
| 04:31.59 | jjbenham | cd into that directory |
| 04:32.19 | burntash | ya ive done that |
| 04:32.24 | burntash | and its unpacked |
| 04:32.40 | jjbenham | rsync -avz source.mvista.com::linuxppc-2.5-benh . |
| 04:33.06 | jjbenham | this get you 2.6-benh3 |
| 04:33.08 | burntash | i have linux-benh-2.5-devel-2.6.0-test11.tar.gz |
| 04:33.16 | burntash | ok |
| 04:36.35 | burntash | tthen what |
| 04:38.31 | jjbenham | did you rsync? |
| 04:38.42 | jjbenham | if you did then you are going to make menuconfig |
| 04:41.06 | burntash | er it just spit a bunch of errors |
| 04:41.14 | burntash | from checklist.c |
| 04:42.13 | jjbenham | do you have libncurses-dev |
| 04:44.22 | jjbenham | why are you recompiling your kernel now? |
| 04:47.57 | burntash | i dunno |
| 04:48.02 | burntash | im just trying to get my X up and running |
| 04:48.27 | burntash | i thought maybe the new kernel would have radeon 9200 support |
| 04:49.07 | jjbenham | well I think you may be paving a road to frustration. |
| 04:49.22 | jjbenham | you should first try to get it to work in 3d mode |
| 04:49.29 | burntash | well so far im on debian's 2.4.23 |
| 04:49.34 | burntash | and xfree 4.3 |
| 04:49.54 | jjbenham | and you start up x and it flickers? |
| 04:50.00 | burntash | and startx opens but has squiggly lines in twm, which i select to quit from and then just flickers to all hell |
| 04:50.04 | burntash | instead of exiting to the command line |
| 04:50.18 | burntash | and thats where the point is that i have to just turn it off and back on |
| 04:52.54 | jjbenham | it should work in 2d mode in x if you have a kernel module or not |
| 04:53.05 | burntash | how do i make it 2d |
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| 04:54.49 | jjbenham | so you have the xfree86 from the geekout website? |
| 04:54.56 | jjbenham | http://www.geekounet.org/powerbook/files/XF86Config-4 |
| 04:54.57 | burntash | not anymore |
| 04:56.28 | jjbenham | do you want to install that config again? |
| 04:57.28 | burntash | huh? |
| 04:58.04 | jjbenham | wget http://www.geekounet.org/powerbook/files/XF86Config-4 |
| 04:58.27 | jjbenham | there is some things I would edit in there |
| 04:58.43 | burntash | ok |
| 04:59.28 | jjbenham | let me know when you have that |
| 04:59.33 | burntash | i have it |
| 04:59.50 | jjbenham | I would comment out #Load "dri" |
| 05:00.30 | jjbenham | change this Option "XkbLayout" "macintosh/fr_new" |
| 05:00.44 | jjbenham | Option "XkbLayout" "us" |
| 05:01.23 | burntash | ok |
| 05:01.33 | jjbenham | Option "XkbModel" "Macintosh" |
| 05:01.42 | jjbenham | add that next to it |
| 05:02.00 | jjbenham | change this Option "ZAxisMapping" "6 5" |
| 05:02.19 | jjbenham | change this Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 05:02.34 | burntash | ok |
| 05:03.01 | jjbenham | goto this section |
| 05:03.03 | jjbenham | Driver "radeon" |
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| 05:03.14 | jjbenham | comment out all his options |
| 05:03.26 | jjbenham | and ChipID |
| 05:03.38 | jjbenham | next you need the output of lspci |
| 05:04.12 | burntash | eh? |
| 05:04.25 | sebasggx | Hi! I've installed debian 3.01 on my ppc performa 6400/180. Does anyone know what de OF output-device is? is it a path? thanks... |
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| 05:05.18 | jjbenham | burntash: this may not be needed but I have this in mine: |
| 05:05.20 | jjbenham | BusID "PCI:0:16:0" |
| 05:05.45 | jjbenham | mine is incorrect but seems to work. |
| 05:06.06 | jjbenham | I have 00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go 64M] (rev a3) |
| 05:06.09 | jjbenham | from lspci |
| 05:06.21 | jjbenham | so I guess mine should read |
| 05:06.32 | jjbenham | BusID "PCI:0:10:0" |
| 05:07.17 | burntash | ok |
| 05:07.20 | jjbenham | I will change that to see if there is any noticable improvement |
| 05:07.33 | burntash | anything else i should change |
| 05:08.25 | jjbenham | did you comment oout all the options in his driver section where you fond the Driver "radeon"? |
| 05:08.53 | burntash | ya |
| 05:08.59 | burntash | also the DRI section |
| 05:09.48 | jjbenham | you probably have to comment out Load "dri" |
| 05:09.53 | jjbenham | so #Load "dri" |
| 05:10.09 | burntash | yuh |
| 05:10.11 | burntash | did that |
| 05:10.20 | jjbenham | I am %100 on that but I believe you at least need to have a framebuffer for that to work. |
| 05:10.33 | jjbenham | not startx and see if that improves anything |
| 05:10.47 | burntash | no screens found |
| 05:10.59 | burntash | vsection is not a valid keyword |
| 05:11.09 | jjbenham | hold on |
| 05:12.11 | jjbenham | that is bizarre you have that file installed in /etc/X11/XF86config-4? |
| 05:12.49 | burntash | ya |
| 05:14.17 | burntash | er it should be section |
| 05:14.25 | burntash | i changed that, and did startx but it still didnt start |
| 05:14.50 | jjbenham | are you getting a different error? |
| 05:15.55 | burntash | skipping some m_debug_ modules saying no symbols found |
| 05:16.00 | burntash | fatal server error no screens found to |
| 05:16.01 | burntash | o |
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| 05:17.16 | jjbenham | what xserver version do you have? |
| 05:17.25 | jjbenham | dpkg -l xser* |
| 05:18.02 | burntash | common is 4.2.1 |
| 05:18.10 | Darren2 | Hi all |
| 05:18.16 | burntash | xserver-xfree86 is 4.3.0 |
| 05:18.21 | Darren2 | is anyone running Debian on a new PB? |
| 05:19.31 | jjbenham | do you have xserver-common also? |
| 05:19.50 | burntash | ya |
| 05:19.58 | burntash | it says the common version is 4.2.1-12.1 |
| 05:21.19 | jjbenham | upgrade that |
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| 05:22.17 | burntash | how |
| 05:22.42 | jjbenham | like we did before |
| 05:22.49 | burntash | ok |
| 05:23.03 | jjbenham | apt-get -t experimental install xserve-common |
| 05:23.20 | burntash | i did apt-get -t experimental install xserver-common |
| 05:23.21 | burntash | no package |
| 05:23.45 | jjbenham | apt-get -t experimental install xserver-common |
| 05:23.47 | jjbenham | sorry |
| 05:28.56 | burntash | i did that it says couldnt find package install |
| 05:32.56 | jjbenham | are you sure you spelled everthing correctly as I listed above/ |
| 05:33.01 | jjbenham | ? |
| 05:33.41 | burntash | oops |
| 05:33.51 | burntash | i accidently had apt-get -t install experimental install xserver-common |
| 05:33.53 | burntash | heh |
| 05:34.08 | burntash | k now they are updated |
| 05:34.20 | burntash | hrm still get the error though |
| 05:34.38 | jjbenham | weird |
| 05:34.45 | jjbenham | you had it almost working once |
| 05:34.54 | burntash | yuh |
| 05:35.04 | burntash | just flickered a bunch and when i quit it wouldnt quit out just got flickering even more |
| 05:35.08 | jjbenham | you told me earilier that almost worked |
| 05:35.41 | jjbenham | it might work now. backup that config you have now. |
| 05:35.58 | jjbenham | also the program xf86config |
| 05:36.11 | jjbenham | this is a command line program to help you configure x |
| 05:36.29 | jjbenham | it is kind of a bitch because you can't go back and change anyting |
| 05:36.36 | jjbenham | you have to start it all over again |
| 05:37.16 | jjbenham | the xf86config program writes a file in /etc/X11/XF86config-4 |
| 05:37.28 | jjbenham | or /etc/X11/XF86config |
| 05:37.37 | jjbenham | you need the -4 for it to be read |
| 05:39.05 | burntash | err not workin |
| 05:39.45 | burntash | i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:39.55 | jjbenham | and? |
| 05:40.11 | burntash | and i did startx and get the same error |
| 05:40.33 | burntash | fatal server error: no screens found |
| 05:40.38 | jjbenham | remember the xf86conig that gave you the flicker? |
| 05:40.47 | jjbenham | that config may work now. |
| 05:40.59 | burntash | ya i made that with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 05:41.41 | burntash | its not workin |
| 05:41.56 | jjbenham | I am guessing. I don't know what is wrong. maybe try that dpkg-reconfigure again. If that does not work you need to find someone with that card. i have an nVidia card so I am kind of going blind |
| 05:41.57 | jjbenham | sorry |
| 05:42.04 | jjbenham | I have to go though |
| 05:42.04 | burntash | ah |
| 05:42.10 | burntash | ok thanks for the help |
| 05:42.19 | jjbenham | np |
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| 06:41.18 | danw | (docs, not miboot) |
| 06:41.52 | bddeb_away | Why miboot? |
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| 07:38.15 | danw | bddebppc: oldworld mac |
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| 07:43.36 | bddebppc | danw: So why not bootx or quik? |
| 07:44.12 | danw | not bootx because I'm not planning on dualbooting |
| 07:44.21 | danw | and quik, I haven't looked into it. |
| 07:45.33 | bddebppc | http://penguinppc.org/projects/quik |
| 07:45.37 | bddebppc | :-) |
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| 07:46.51 | danw | it's ok, I found a miboot howto of sorts |
| 07:47.12 | bddebppc | Oh, ok |
| 07:47.21 | danw | turns out that step1 is to copy the miboot "system" folder to the hfs partition and open it so that it's "blessed" |
| 07:47.27 | danw | (under macos) |
| 07:47.44 | danw | which is fine, 'cause I've got the 7.1 network boot disk |
| 07:52.39 | danw | well, if this works properly, I'll be happy. |
| 07:53.06 | danw | plus, I've already got the files on the HFS partition and playing with HFS floppies on my x86 box isn't particularly fun. |
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| 07:56.35 | mojo | where can i get the files for a bootdisk for a oldworld powermac? i have the cd burnt off i just want to boot it up now |
| 07:57.28 | bddebppc | You can dd or rawrite it from the CD or get it from the Debian site |
| 07:57.52 | mojo | is it on the debian cd? i looked on debians site but did not see them.. |
| 07:58.10 | mojo | i was going to dd it.. linux box is good for dd'in stuff |
| 07:59.01 | bddebppc | Yes the images-1.44 dir should be on the CD |
| 08:01.27 | mojo | which ones would i need? i just want to boot up so i can make it load the rest off of cd |
| 08:01.52 | bddebppc | The hfs-boot floppy image or whatever the hell it's called. :-) |
| 08:02.24 | mojo | BOOT_FLO.IMG is the only img in images_1.44 under powermac dir |
| 08:02.51 | bddebppc | Is it a Woody CD? |
| 08:03.02 | mojo | yep |
| 08:03.14 | mojo | 3.0.23 |
| 08:03.45 | bddebppc | Isn't there a newpowermac or powermac/new dir or something like that?? |
| 08:04.31 | mojo | new_powe |
| 08:04.45 | mojo | but the mac im running is an old g3 mac clone |
| 08:04.55 | mojo | its a oldworld mac spcificly |
| 08:05.30 | bddebppc | Damnit you're going to make my dig up my CD aren't you?? :-) |
| 08:05.39 | mojo | eheh |
| 08:05.50 | mojo | this is my first time trying to boot a mac with out it already having an os :P |
| 08:06.05 | mojo | i have been running debian for years, never touched ppc though |
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| 08:06.42 | bddebppc | sourdough will know off the top of his head!! |
| 08:07.03 | mojo | thats scary |
| 08:07.45 | bddebppc | Hi sourdough! |
| 08:07.57 | bddebppc | sourdough: Where is the hfs-boot floppy image on the Woody CD? |
| 08:08.10 | mojo | why do i need hfs-boot ? |
| 08:08.32 | bddebppc | Because OF will only boot from HFS partitions. |
| 08:08.44 | mojo | of? |
| 08:09.01 | bddebppc | openfirmware |
| 08:09.05 | mojo | ah |
| 08:10.03 | mojo | i did a search on the cd, it doesnt show anything starting or ending with hfs |
| 08:10.16 | sourdough | bddebppc in wiht the rest of the floppy images |
| 08:10.29 | sourdough | oldworld box? |
| 08:10.35 | sourdough | they don't boot from CD |
| 08:11.22 | mojo | ya |
| 08:11.34 | mojo | im trying to make a bootable floppy so i can access the cd |
| 08:11.59 | bddebppc | mojo: find /cdrom/ -name boot-floppy-hfs.img |
| 08:12.27 | mojo | i screwed up my mac by trying to boot it up in to os 9.2.2 eheh it wont boot there, and it wont boot osx any more since i cant select the partition to boot from.. so i decided to put debian on there.. two debian machines is always better than one :) |
| 08:12.28 | sourdough | its on there if its a full CD |
| 08:12.37 | sourdough | if its netinst it won't work |
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| 08:14.31 | mojo | im just going to get the basic system installed with the first cd then download the rest |
| 08:15.08 | danw | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-powerpc/3.0.23-2002-05-21/powermac/images-1.44/boot-floppy-hfs.img |
| 08:15.20 | bddebppc | Thanks danw |
| 08:16.34 | danw | np |
| 08:16.35 | mojo | is that all ill need to make a bootable floppy to access the cd? |
| 08:16.46 | mojo | i dont know if i have more than 1 or two floppys sitting around |
| 08:17.01 | danw | I'm trying it right now |
| 08:17.10 | mojo | ok |
| 08:17.17 | mojo | gotta find a floppy ehhe |
| 08:17.48 | danw | that's for boot, you'll need a root disk too. |
| 08:18.13 | mojo | this is going to get fun |
| 08:18.24 | mojo | should i format the disk at all or will the image do that bit for me? |
| 08:18.33 | danw | if necessary, you can write the image, load it into the mac, let it run until it needs the next one, and write the next image |
| 08:18.36 | danw | just write the image |
| 08:18.45 | mojo | ok |
| 08:19.04 | mojo | whats the root image i need? is it just root.img on that same bit? |
| 08:19.05 | danw | so long as it was formatted once, it'll be fine |
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| 08:19.45 | mojo | ok |
| 08:22.03 | mojo | lalal |
| 08:22.34 | mojo | ehhe 240mhz mac, 400mhz linux box.. should link the proccessors :P would double my speed ... eheh |
| 08:22.54 | danw | if the linux box is an x86, you can't. |
| 08:23.19 | mojo | i know |
| 08:23.24 | mojo | stinks eheh |
| 08:24.50 | mojo | hrm a penguin with a big red x on it... bad ? |
| 08:26.22 | danw | yeah... it should be booting into linux and saying "insert root disk and press a key to continue" |
| 08:27.35 | mojo | hrm maybe i should try another disk |
| 08:28.47 | mojo | hrm ... how do i tell it to eject my current disk? :P |
| 08:30.03 | danw | paperclip |
| 08:30.07 | mojo | fun ehhe |
| 08:30.21 | bddebppc | Hehe.. Fuxxin' macs. :-) |
| 08:30.34 | mojo | eheh |
| 08:30.42 | mojo | so hard to work with... :P |
| 08:30.44 | danw | actually |
| 08:30.52 | danw | you can try holding down the mouse button at powerup |
| 08:30.59 | mojo | that will eject the disk? |
| 08:31.00 | danw | should eject everything |
| 08:31.05 | mojo | yaa it boots |
| 08:31.31 | mojo | god i love this mac, sda's all over :) |
| 08:31.48 | mojo | thats the cool parts about mac's good ol scsi drives |
| 08:33.31 | danw | my tanzania-based system (4400) is all ide |
| 08:33.33 | bddebppc | And Apples "partitioning scheme".. :-) |
| 08:33.40 | mojo | ok |
| 08:33.47 | mojo | what should i watch for with this partitioning bit ... |
| 08:33.53 | mojo | i have 11 partitions ... eheh |
| 08:33.58 | mojo | on one drive |
| 08:34.04 | mojo | should i just delete them all and go from there or what? |
| 08:34.17 | LarstiQ | mojo: do you plan to use osx with it? |
| 08:34.21 | bddebppc | Blow them away and create new :-) |
| 08:34.21 | mojo | no |
| 08:34.24 | LarstiQ | if not, you can ditch them |
| 08:34.28 | mojo | ok sweet |
| 08:34.31 | mojo | good bye partitions |
| 08:34.41 | burntash | i still cant get X working on my ibook ;/ |
| 08:36.05 | mojo | ok i am trying to delete partition 3 and i get cant delete entry for a driver (yet) |
| 08:36.09 | LarstiQ | burntash: you did find the xsf page? |
| 08:36.23 | mojo | i get that for 2 and then for 1 i get cant delete entry for the map itself |
| 08:36.34 | LarstiQ | mojo: I'm not sure about the specifics, but keeping driver and boot partitions should work |
| 08:36.54 | mojo | i hvaent read anything on them |
| 08:37.04 | mojo | then again i learn better when i just have someone help me like this.. eheh |
| 08:37.11 | bddebppc | mojo: There should be a letter to enter to blow it all away and create the new map |
| 08:37.27 | sourdough | use the `i' command |
| 08:37.32 | sourdough | create a new partiton table |
| 08:37.55 | mojo | ah ok |
| 08:38.10 | mojo | so what partitions do i need to create besides main and swap? |
| 08:38.16 | mojo | anythign with drivers bit? |
| 08:38.22 | bddebppc | That is all that you "have" to have |
| 08:38.29 | mojo | ok |
| 08:39.13 | sourdough | you don't need drivers |
| 08:39.15 | sourdough | thats macos cruft |
| 08:39.17 | mojo | ok |
| 08:39.28 | sourdough | id recommend creating a bootstrap partition for futuer yaboot versions |
| 08:39.34 | sourdough | use the b command for that |
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| 08:39.41 | sourdough | then c for the rest |
| 08:39.44 | bddebppc | Yeah, like that's ever gonna happen!! ;-P |
| 08:39.46 | benh | anybody with an aluminium powerbook 12" ? |
| 08:39.47 | sourdough | name your swap partiton `swap' |
| 08:39.54 | bddebppc | benh!!! |
| 08:39.55 | sourdough | bddebppc eventually |
| 08:40.06 | benh | I need a tarball of the device-tree |
| 08:40.13 | bddebppc | sourdough: I was kidding :-) |
| 08:40.24 | bddebppc | sourdough: Any more word from arcady? |
| 08:40.41 | sourdough | bddebppc not that ive seen |
| 08:40.44 | benh | tar -c /proc/device-tree >blah/tar |
| 08:40.48 | benh | urgently :) |
| 08:41.11 | sourdough | benh buy me one and ill get that right over |
| 08:41.17 | bddebppc | Haha |
| 08:41.18 | benh | hahahaha |
| 08:41.22 | LarstiQ | moin benh |
| 08:41.25 | benh | hi |
| 08:41.28 | sourdough | well.. nah, those have nvidia crap |
| 08:41.33 | sourdough | id rather a ibook |
| 08:42.03 | LarstiQ | hmm, I might know someone |
| 08:42.28 | benh | sourdough: yah, nvidia... though the new ibook or new ati based powerbook don't have sleep support yet |
| 08:42.56 | sourdough | benh oh im sure you will figure it out before too long, you always do |
| 08:43.15 | sourdough | what is it that apple keeps changing that breaks sleep anyway? |
| 08:43.23 | LarstiQ | apple, or ati? |
| 08:43.30 | bddebppc | benh: Sorry to bug you but do you know anything about "double DMA start" problem with MESH?? |
| 08:43.31 | mojo | how do i change a type of a partition? |
| 08:43.39 | LarstiQ | burntash: read http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/NEWS.xhtml? |
| 08:43.41 | bddebppc | mojo: You don't need to |
| 08:43.42 | mojo | i dont see it in there |
| 08:43.43 | sourdough | mojo delete it and recreate |
| 08:44.00 | mojo | you dont need to specify the type of partition in this? |
| 08:44.06 | LarstiQ | mojo: that's right |
| 08:44.07 | sourdough | use the c command |
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| 08:44.16 | sourdough | we don't have partition types of our own yet |
| 08:44.16 | mojo | ok |
| 08:44.27 | sourdough | we illegally abuse reserved apple types |
| 08:44.32 | LarstiQ | muhahaha :) |
| 08:44.39 | sourdough | then overload the name with typing info |
| 08:44.40 | sourdough | quite stupid |
| 08:44.42 | bddebppc | Yeah, I want a bddebppc partition type!! ;-P |
| 08:44.44 | sourdough | and broken |
| 08:45.00 | LarstiQ | sourdough: so how would one fix that? |
| 08:45.02 | sourdough | bddebppc actually you can use any partition type you want |
| 08:45.06 | LarstiQ | just invent types? |
| 08:45.08 | bddebppc | :-) |
| 08:45.18 | mojo | ok do i need to do r to recorder partition entrys or anything like that before i write the partition table? |
| 08:45.23 | sourdough | LarstiQ fix parted and mac-fdisk to use a new type, and fix the distro installers to recognize it |
| 08:45.27 | sourdough | nothing else gives a damn |
| 08:45.45 | sourdough | mojo if you created a new partition table then no i doubt it |
| 08:45.55 | mojo | so just write it? |
| 08:45.57 | sourdough | mojo your / partiiton must be entirely within first 8GB |
| 08:46.04 | sourdough | yeah |
| 08:46.16 | sourdough | LarstiQ we should standardize it |
| 08:46.17 | mojo | entirely within the first 8gigs? so it cant be 16 gigs? |
| 08:46.37 | sourdough | LarstiQ but nobody will agree on a sensible partition type for general Free *nix filesystems |
| 08:46.45 | sourdough | mojo no |
| 08:47.05 | sourdough | mojo OF can't read past 8GB, so when you kerneel eventally gets put there you can't boot anymore |
| 08:47.17 | sourdough | / should only be 70MB anyway |
| 08:47.23 | mojo | ok |
| 08:47.38 | mojo | so i have to redo this a bit ... |
| 08:47.41 | sourdough | you can use /boot too if oyu want, but the quik setup won't like that |
| 08:47.50 | sourdough | so you would have to setup quik yourself |
| 08:47.54 | benh | bddebppc: ah, you have it reproduceably ? |
| 08:48.07 | benh | bddebppc: it's a warning I added for a condition that should not happen, we'll have to do some debugging |
| 08:48.23 | benh | sourdough: no, sleep for those machine is a different problem |
| 08:48.35 | benh | sourdough: I did get it right for the M6/M7/M9 models because ATI sent me the code :) |
| 08:48.50 | bddebppc | benh: It happens almost every time I first powerup my PowerBook G3 since I compiled 2.4.23 |
| 08:48.54 | benh | sourdough: you can't invent it, it's pages of code for tweaking various undocumented things in the video chip |
| 08:49.08 | sourdough | benh ar they now hanging out with nvidia pinheads and not doing that anymore? |
| 08:49.15 | benh | sourdough: all new laptops unfortunately do like desktops, they power off the chip |
| 08:49.18 | bddebppc | s/2.4.23/2.4.22 |
| 08:49.31 | benh | sourdough: so we need to re-boot it, which is even more pages of undocumented crap that is different for every single revision |
| 08:49.46 | sourdough | benh ah, normally that is handled inside openfirwamre.. |
| 08:50.01 | sourdough | benh segher should be able to tell you how that works by decompiling the bootroms |
| 08:50.10 | danw | I need to find some guidelines for programming without messing up endianness |
| 08:50.14 | benh | sourdough: no, ATI is still helpful. But it took them 6 month to give me the code for the M6/7/9, it may well take them as long for the POST code for the new ones |
| 08:50.26 | sourdough | joy |
| 08:50.30 | benh | sourdough: I can decompile the boot ROMs too, but it's a more complicate approach |
| 08:50.56 | benh | sourdough: it's handled inside the MacOS driver for sleep/wakeup, because you can just "save" then "restore" a lot of value, while the firmware has to "know" what to put here |
| 08:51.02 | benh | sourdough: so doign the firmware approach is more complicated |
| 08:51.10 | sourdough | benh and im sure apple has the relevant duhwin code wrapped in #ifdef F_U |
| 08:52.31 | mojo | ok im going to let this go over night, thanks a ton for the help.. ill be back tomarrow for some more im sure :) |
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| 08:53.17 | bjck2 | hi |
| 08:54.11 | bjck2 | Is someone has intalled a debian on a PowerMac G4/400 ? |
| 08:54.16 | burntash | what are the best vert and horiz syncs for ibook g4 14" 1024x768 display |
| 08:54.54 | bjck2 | I need help to configure my xinit... :-( |
| 08:54.59 | sourdough | bjck2 penguinppc is such a machine |
| 08:55.25 | sourdough | burntash manual should document the ranges |
| 08:55.45 | burntash | the ibook manual? |
| 08:56.26 | burntash | cause i downloaded Xfree 4.3 experimental, and i can startx but the screen flickers and when i tried to exit out the whole screen whacks out in colors and shit and doesnt let me exit out i have to reboot |
| 08:57.10 | bjck2 | sourdough do you when penguinppc come back ? |
| 08:57.19 | bjck2 | know |
| 08:57.48 | sourdough | bjck2 since my irc session is running on it, i thin kits up now |
| 08:58.16 | sourdough | bjck2 what service are you having probmes with? |
| 08:59.02 | mojo | is ext3 supported in ppc ? |
| 08:59.10 | benh | sourdough: no, the relevant code is in the ATI video drivers, which aren't opensource |
| 08:59.18 | benh | sourdough: Apple don't opensource 3rd party drivers |
| 09:00.00 | bjck2 | I have just installed debian and I can startx because of "no core pointer registered" |
| 09:00.36 | bjck2 | I have tried to edit xinit file but I don't know what I have to fill up.. |
| 09:00.48 | sourdough | bjck2 and what does that have to do with penguinppc being down? |
| 09:01.32 | sourdough | mojo yes but ive seen problems with it |
| 09:01.38 | sourdough | mojo you want XFS anyawy, much better fs |
| 09:01.53 | bddebppc | Well gnight gents. Good luck mojo! |
| 09:01.53 | mojo | how do i tell the installer to use xfs then? |
| 09:01.54 | sourdough | bjck2 your X problem is due to not configuring a mouse |
| 09:02.03 | mojo | thanks bddebppc |
| 09:02.25 | sourdough | mojo boot with an XFS enabled kernel, and with my root.bin (penguinppc.org/~eb/files/debian |
| 09:02.26 | bjck2 | I know that but I dont know how to configure it |
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| 09:02.53 | mojo | what makes xfs much better in your opition? |
| 09:04.56 | burntash | grrrrrr twm sucks! |
| 09:04.58 | burntash | ;/ |
| 09:05.23 | burntash | i do startx and get a bunch of lines up an ddown my display, and then i choose to quit twm and my screen goes beserk with melting white and purple colors all over it |
| 09:05.28 | burntash | and i have to restart the laptop |
| 09:05.41 | sourdough | bjck2 dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:06.14 | mojo | omg remind me never to do a bad block sector check on a 8 gig partition again |
| 09:06.38 | sourdough | mojo it was designed to be a high performace journaling fs, built to scale to fs sizes that can't even be accomidated by hardware available today unless you have a govt budget |
| 09:07.07 | sourdough | it has proper support for quota, xattr, acl |
| 09:07.09 | sourdough | etc |
| 09:07.28 | sourdough | journaled quota too, not even ext3 has that |
| 09:07.44 | danw | what's the partition type for swap partitions? |
| 09:08.00 | sourdough | ext3 is a hack on ext2, which was a hack on ext, which is a hacked up clone of minixfs |
| 09:08.11 | sourdough | danw same type as everything else, but named `swap' |
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| 09:08.18 | danw | dang |
| 09:08.20 | danw | k |
| 09:08.30 | sourdough | danw never use the C command |
| 09:08.34 | sourdough | danw only c |
| 09:09.06 | mojo | ya i know the latter bit.. ehhe i know the former bit too.. dont have much use for such an advanced system though for the most part.. |
| 09:09.38 | mojo | and if i was to go with it now it would meen starting over......... ... ugg |
| 09:10.38 | sourdough | mojo why not? |
| 09:10.40 | sourdough | it works very well |
| 09:11.10 | mojo | so did my 5 year install of ext2 .. |
| 09:11.14 | sourdough | but quik can't read anything but ext2 so whatever your kernels and quik.conf are on must be ext2 |
| 09:11.18 | sourdough | not even ext3 |
| 09:11.52 | mojo | im trying to pick up on how quik works exactly.. i need to play with it a bit.. |
| 09:12.00 | danw | quik can't read ext3?.. very weird. |
| 09:12.03 | mojo | hopefully i can boot up when i mess it up.. eheh |
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| 09:12.48 | sourdough | benh did you get my message about proc devspec files? |
| 09:13.13 | danw | I just nuked my sarge install and am doing a woody install |
| 09:13.19 | LarstiQ | benh: do you know why ATI isn't opensourcing it themselves? |
| 09:13.20 | danw | for kicks, mostly |
| 09:13.36 | mojo | larstiq because someone would make their bad drivers better? |
| 09:13.40 | LarstiQ | danw: Do a debian-installer install for the reports :) |
| 09:13.46 | sourdough | LarstiQ pinhead management |
| 09:14.01 | LarstiQ | mojo: that would be it, or *gasp* Linux [ppc] drivers |
| 09:14.01 | mojo | ati really has bad drivers.. |
| 09:14.18 | PluueeR | I'm totally new to Debian and Linux on PPC (iMac), when configuring X, do you use framebuffer or is it possible to use de ATi Rage IIc driver? |
| 09:14.18 | danw | LarstiQ: I did a debian-installer install, and it left the system unbootable |
| 09:14.27 | mojo | im wondering if i can get my ati rage 128 pro to work on this mac in linux |
| 09:14.43 | benh | sourdough: possibly, I just don't remember what it was right now :) |
| 09:14.46 | LarstiQ | danw: report! report! :) |
| 09:14.51 | sourdough | danw lovely, oldworld or neworld? |
| 09:14.52 | benh | LarstiQ: lots of reasons I suppose |
| 09:15.08 | danw | oldworld |
| 09:15.13 | sourdough | danw whoever is doing the yabootinstaller stuff in debian right now seems not to have much clue |
| 09:15.23 | sourdough | danw ah, they don't give ashit about oldworld and don't even try to install a bootloader |
| 09:15.27 | sourdough | it probably installed yaboot |
| 09:15.31 | danw | I noticed that. |
| 09:15.38 | sourdough | in the newworld way (it wouldn't work anyway) |
| 09:15.45 | mojo | i have not messed with yaboot yet |
| 09:15.51 | mojo | im scared too |
| 09:15.52 | sourdough | mojo yaboot is newworld only at present |
| 09:15.58 | mojo | ya i know |
| 09:16.30 | mojo | im hoping to come across a g4 500+ some time soon.. i take my macs when i can get em for free... :) cute little systems not a big fan of the mice though |
| 09:16.34 | danw | mojo: newworld = coloured g3's and newer |
| 09:17.06 | sourdough | mojo mice are easily replaced |
| 09:17.13 | sourdough | mojo at least on newworld which has usb |
| 09:17.20 | mojo | eheh |
| 09:17.22 | sourdough | adb cruft is harder to find |
| 09:17.22 | mojo | i dont like usb :) |
| 09:17.31 | PluueeR | ne neither |
| 09:17.33 | mojo | and not replaced bit or breaking, just on the fact of one button |
| 09:17.34 | PluueeR | ne=me |
| 09:17.44 | mojo | i grew up on a mac clasic 86 |
| 09:17.47 | PluueeR | but on a iMac there is nothing else :/ |
| 09:18.00 | sourdough | mojo yes you can get multibutton mice, they work fine |
| 09:18.07 | mojo | still have it, no hd, black and white, 512k ram :) |
| 09:18.13 | mojo | bad mofo back in the day |
| 09:18.40 | mojo | omg, eheh sector scan half way through |
| 09:18.55 | mojo | hehe im really going to bed now.. just noticed that its going to take another 25 -30 minutes to do the other half |
| 09:19.02 | sourdough | mojo you could always ^C if you don't think there are prbolems.. |
| 09:19.11 | mojo | i dont know if there are problems or not |
| 09:19.15 | sourdough | its a good idea to run on oldworlds, i find disk flaws all the time with them |
| 09:19.17 | mojo | its wroth it to me to make sure there are none |
| 09:19.48 | sourdough | my 9600 had problems badblock noticed, but the disk seemed to spare them ok |
| 09:19.52 | mojo | this hd was a replacement to the one that was in it.. its a good hd, its jsut i dont trust the peeps it came from.. they dont know much about computers |
| 09:19.54 | PluueeR | why going to bed, its 10:19 am |
| 09:19.56 | PluueeR | :) |
| 09:19.58 | sourdough | since subsequent runs found nothing wrong |
| 09:20.12 | mojo | its 1:30am here |
| 09:20.49 | sourdough | mojo i always run badblocks in read-write mode on machines i get |
| 09:21.01 | sourdough | more thoroughly checks things and allows the disk hardware to fix it |
| 09:21.11 | sourdough | and quite thoroughly purges evil macos |
| 09:21.19 | mojo | ah this works |
| 09:21.29 | mojo | night all :) |
| 09:21.33 | mojo | thanks again for the help |
| 09:22.06 | danw | take care, mojo |
| 09:25.13 | MrKennie | heya sourdough |
| 09:26.15 | MrKennie | sourdough: I discovered my video card seems to be unsupported, cant find any info on it anywhere, so I'm hunting for another one that is supported :) |
| 09:26.17 | sourdough | hi |
| 09:26.32 | sourdough | i thought it looked oddball |
| 09:26.52 | MrKennie | I found 1 thread on it in a forum |
| 09:27.00 | MrKennie | they had the same trouble |
| 09:27.10 | MrKennie | switche it with a matrox and it worked fine |
| 09:27.20 | sourdough | MrKennie get something which is OpenFirmware compliant, then you can display OF on it too |
| 09:27.33 | MrKennie | this one is supposed to be |
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| 09:29.00 | sourdough | MrKennie so called `mac edition' cards which are supposed to work in newwworlds will be, oldworld ones may not since oldworld doens't really use OF for anything |
| 09:29.21 | sourdough | something that is compatible with OpenBoot3 sparcs should work too |
| 09:29.28 | MrKennie | aah |
| 09:29.45 | MrKennie | I was going to loacate a radeon 7000 pci, they are suppose to work |
| 09:30.04 | MrKennie | they seemed to be a common card |
| 09:31.11 | MrKennie | as I understand you can flash pc radeons with mac firmware or something |
| 09:32.20 | danw | I've heard that too. |
| 09:32.27 | danw | I want to find a pci adb card |
| 09:33.12 | sourdough | MrKennie yes that is usually possible |
| 09:33.18 | benh | sourdough: oldworld did use OF for bootstraping cards |
| 09:33.25 | sourdough | but i think only macos9 based flashers are available |
| 09:33.52 | sourdough | benh ah, so that part should actually work |
| 09:34.00 | benh | sourdough: lots of vendors didn't care though and only used it as a way to store the MacOS driver |
| 09:34.08 | sourdough | heh |
| 09:34.26 | sourdough | well now that macosrom is dead they can't get awaay with that |
| 09:34.26 | benh | sourdough: but yes, if the card could perfectly have working f-code, and some oldworld ones do actually |
| 09:34.32 | burntash | does anyone have a working IBook G4 with X? |
| 09:34.36 | sourdough | which is why i mentioned hardware targeted at newworlds |
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| 09:34.54 | PluueeR | are there sites with good documentation/examples of X on a iMac ? |
| 09:35.39 | sourdough | benh its quite unfortunate the inhel morons decided to invent another broken pile of crap firmware instead of moving to OpenFirmware on itanic.. |
| 09:35.48 | MrKennie | the guy I got this mac from bought it with every upgrade possible at the time |
| 09:36.01 | benh | sourdough: yes, ACPI is junk |
| 09:36.23 | sourdough | benh and get this, ACPI is the REASON they decided not to use OF |
| 09:36.25 | MrKennie | I assume the #9 card was better tha nthe mach64 :) |
| 09:36.31 | sourdough | OF can't handle that garbage |
| 09:36.42 | sourdough | so rahter then junk the acpi junk they invented more junk |
| 09:36.46 | sourdough | idiiots |
| 09:37.53 | LarstiQ | junk junk! |
| 09:38.05 | LarstiQ | we're talking power management stuff here? |
| 09:38.11 | sourdough | LarstiQ yup |
| 09:38.16 | LarstiQ | doh |
| 09:38.18 | MrKennie | there seems to be X drivers for the imagine 128 tho, seems odd |
| 09:38.20 | sourdough | ACPI is inhel's abortion for power managment |
| 09:38.25 | MrKennie | which is waht mine is |
| 09:38.29 | sourdough | it needs something as shitty as the x86 BIOS |
| 09:38.52 | sourdough | OF can't be implemented that crappily so they needed to invent a new x86 BIOS thats just as shitty as the original, if not more |
| 09:39.43 | sourdough | MrKennie X on powerpc really needs a working kernel framebuffer |
| 09:39.55 | sourdough | since it uses the kernel framebuffer interfaces for a lot of things |
| 09:39.57 | MrKennie | yea.. which seems odd |
| 09:40.06 | MrKennie | why is it in X but not the kernel |
| 09:40.10 | sourdough | instead of poking stuff directly which tends to not work outside of x86 land |
| 09:40.21 | sourdough | MrKennie X drivers and kernel drivers are totally distinct |
| 09:40.45 | sourdough | Xfree people don't care about the linux kernel, linux kernel people don't care about Xfree |
| 09:41.34 | LarstiQ | sourdough: I like your description, but can you tell me what exactly it is ACPI needs? |
| 09:42.02 | MrKennie | hmm |
| 09:42.34 | sourdough | LarstiQ i don't know to be honest |
| 09:42.35 | burntash | can someone help me upgrade to the benh kernel so my X works? |
| 09:43.02 | MrKennie | well in any case I would be better off finding another card.. |
| 09:43.03 | sourdough | LarstiQ i just read an interview with a inhel zombie who stated "OpenFirmware is not compatible with the ACPI abortion" |
| 09:43.15 | sourdough | (ok i added the `abortion' jab) |
| 09:43.26 | benh | sourdough: I doubt it, OF is compatible with anything in principle :) |
| 09:43.34 | benh | sourdough: though OF itself shall be extended. RTAS is shit |
| 09:43.35 | sourdough | burntash apply the patch |
| 09:43.49 | benh | sourdough: some things should be improved. Some people here (like me) are trying to revive the OF working group |
| 09:44.38 | LarstiQ | What is 'here'? |
| 09:44.40 | sourdough | benh cool |
| 09:44.41 | burntash | sourdough: scuse me? |
| 09:44.49 | sourdough | LarstiQ probably IBM |
| 09:45.05 | sourdough | burntash pub/linux/kernel/people/benh |
| 09:45.12 | sourdough | burntash at your favored kernel.org |
| 09:45.50 | burntash | sourdough: they dont have a 2.4.23 patch |
| 09:46.00 | sourdough | benh OF is good design, that is counter to inhel policy |
| 09:46.07 | benh | sure :) |
| 09:46.23 | sourdough | benh why haven't you uploaded a 2.4.23 patch to kernel.org yet? |
| 09:47.37 | burntash | geeze i didnt even notice benh was in here |
| 09:47.37 | burntash | :P |
| 09:48.05 | sourdough | burntash you can generate one yourself by pulling the rsync from penguinppc.org |
| 09:48.40 | MrKennie | is quik still maintained? |
| 09:48.48 | sourdough | MrKennie no not really |
| 09:49.06 | MrKennie | maybe that needs to be revived too? :) |
| 09:49.10 | sourdough | MrKennie every so often someone pokes it with a 10000 foot cattle prod, but thats about it |
| 09:49.14 | sourdough | MrKennie no its being replaced |
| 09:49.19 | MrKennie | oh? |
| 09:49.28 | sourdough | MrKennie penguinppc.org/projects/prom-libc and projects/yaboot |
| 09:49.36 | sourdough | yaboot 2.0 will work on oldworld |
| 09:49.42 | MrKennie | aah cool |
| 09:49.56 | PluueeR | can X11 on a iMac 233 only run as framebuffer? |
| 09:50.02 | sourdough | quik and yaboot 1 are not fixable, both are hideous pile of cruft for code |
| 09:50.08 | benh | sourdough: because I'm swamped |
| 09:50.59 | burntash | dont i need a .config to compile that kernel |
| 09:51.50 | benh | PluueeR: doesn't the mach64 driver work on it ? |
| 09:52.30 | MrKennie | works for me.. |
| 09:52.33 | PluueeR | I beleve the iMac uses a ATi Rage IIc |
| 09:52.34 | MrKennie | I think |
| 09:52.55 | PluueeR | and it's supported by XFree86 |
| 09:53.29 | PluueeR | the mac does not know text mode like an i386 machine? coz my console is in framebuffer I believe |
| 09:55.12 | danw | rage IIc is fully supported by ati xf86 4 driver |
| 09:55.15 | MrKennie | my little iMac could use more ram.. |
| 09:55.39 | PluueeR | danw: so it can run hardware accelerated instead of framebuffer? |
| 09:55.43 | danw | yes |
| 09:55.51 | danw | if it does use rage iic |
| 09:55.55 | PluueeR | cool :) |
| 09:56.17 | danw | my pmac 4400 runs accelerated using xf4 ati driver - 4400-> mach64vt |
| 09:56.54 | danw | my PC with a Rage IIc ran accelerated using same driver |
| 09:57.24 | MrKennie | I'm sure its a rage pro turbo or some shit |
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| 09:57.35 | danw | IIRC, in xf 4.3, Mach64 -> Rage Pro -> Rage 128 -> Radeon all supported by ati driver |
| 09:57.43 | davidw | root 794 2.2 14.6 74444 37504 ? S< Dec15 505:02 /usr/X11R6/bin/X |
| 09:57.43 | davidw | :0 vt7 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp -auth /var/lib/xdm/authdir/authfiles/A:0-3nCUWj |
| 09:58.17 | davidw | does that seem normal for X to be that huge? |
| 09:58.30 | PluueeR | but I still need framebuffer for the console I guess ? |
| 09:59.08 | danw | PluueeR: yes. |
| 09:59.16 | danw | PluueeR: there is no "vga" mode on a mac |
| 09:59.24 | PluueeR | ah okay |
| 10:00.15 | danw | PCs would be the same way if it wasn't for backward compatability |
| 10:00.26 | PluueeR | yeah :) |
| 10:01.18 | danw | I've heard grumblings about making truly legacy free pcs with no "vga mode" bios |
| 10:02.57 | PluueeR | is the iMac USB mouse /dev/usb/mouse0 ? |
| 10:05.00 | LarstiQ | or /dev/input/mice? |
| 10:05.13 | MrKennie | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.45 | sourdough | mice is all mice |
| 10:07.02 | sourdough | mouse0 is the first attached and detected mouse |
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| 10:07.53 | PluueeR | should it look like this in XF86Config? |
| 10:07.55 | PluueeR | Section "InputDevice" |
| 10:07.56 | PluueeR | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.56 | PluueeR | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.56 | PluueeR | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.56 | PluueeR | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.56 | PluueeR | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.58 | PluueeR | EndSection |
| 10:09.21 | sourdough | PluueeR IMPS/2 |
| 10:10.13 | PluueeR | with capitals :) |
| 10:10.20 | sourdough | PluueeR and in ServerLayout later you will need InputDevice "Mouse[2]" |
| 10:10.59 | sourdough | actually i have ImPS/2 |
| 10:11.05 | PluueeR | i will call it mouse then :) |
| 10:11.06 | sourdough | so perhaps its case insensitive |
| 10:11.10 | PluueeR | aha |
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| 10:14.29 | PluueeR | sourdough: you have an iMac 233 as well ? |
| 10:16.44 | sourdough | PluueeR nope |
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| 10:17.40 | pietvw | Hi Guys... |
| 10:19.21 | pietvw | Can someone help me with getting BootX to work... I can't seem to have it automagically select the linux kernel... it says something about not having a valid kernel... Yet I can manually utilize BootX and boot the 2.4.X kernel... What am I doing wrong? |
| 10:20.21 | *** part/#debianppc pietvw (~pietvw@user208.net537.or.sprint-hsd.net) |
| 10:20.39 | MrKennie | I think it has to be in your system dir.. |
| 10:20.41 | MrKennie | aah nm |
| 10:21.47 | benh | brb |
| 10:22.10 | sourdough | i love how that guy asks a question and leaves immediatly |
| 10:22.17 | sourdough | he has been doing that for a week now |
| 10:22.59 | sourdough | he has less attention span then my 3 year old niece |
| 10:23.01 | MrKennie | hehe |
| 10:24.12 | sourdough | dondelelcaro hah, like anyone there will know the answer to that quesion |
| 10:24.29 | sourdough | they will be like `boot, show us your /etc/lilo.conf' |
| 10:25.11 | dondelelcaro | sourdough: well, I used to know the answer to that question, but I don't use OldWorld PPC boxen anymore... |
| 10:26.03 | dondelelcaro | sourdough: yeah, only the newworld boxen are working here right now... |
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| 10:27.13 | sourdough | how do i configure yaboot? |
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| 10:27.21 | pietvw | My appologies for ducking out so quickly last time... Can someone help me with getting BootX to work correctly. Supposedly it's able to switch to the Linux OS after booting MAC os... however I can't seem to get it to switch... any ideas? |
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| 10:28.55 | pietvw | Sorry sourdough... don't know how to configure yaboot... |
| 10:29.27 | MrKennie | ... |
| 10:29.56 | pietvw | I'm personally running BootX... (Beige G3, Old World) Whoops... sorry.. I didn't know you maintained yaboot... |
| 10:29.57 | MrKennie | pietvw: so bootx is not picking up the kernel automagically? |
| 10:30.25 | pietvw | Nope... It gives a bootx.c error.. with a nice button.. |
| 10:30.47 | MrKennie | where have you put the kernel ? |
| 10:31.08 | MrKennie | ;) |
| 10:31.41 | pietvw | Ah... Usually I don't get a response on #debianppc... :0 |
| 10:32.29 | pietvw | Bear with me for a second... (I'm still getting used to the configuration of the MAC side...) |
| 10:32.36 | danw | pietvw: you put a linux kernel in the "Linux Kernels" folder, and run bootx. You tell it where your root is, and click linux. done. |
| 10:33.29 | MrKennie | its all clicktastic! |
| 10:33.40 | sourdough | pietvw it takes longer then two nanoseconds for folks to respond here |
| 10:34.02 | PluueeR | indeed :) |
| 10:34.02 | MrKennie | I cant even find the mouse for my 9500.. |
| 10:35.10 | MrKennie | I have to say.. the oldowrld mice were horrible. :) but amazingly they work forever |
| 10:35.23 | pietvw | he he he... |
| 10:35.41 | MrKennie | guess I'm used to cheap x86 stuff |
| 10:36.34 | pietvw | Ok... It's located in System Folder/Control Panels/Linux Kernels In that directory I've got vmlinux-2.4.21-powerpc |
| 10:37.04 | MrKennie | thinking for now I just might make the 9500 a headless machine, i could use it as a remote X server or something |
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| 10:37.30 | MrKennie | waste of monitor tho.. its a nice one |
| 10:37.43 | MrKennie | for its day |
| 10:37.46 | pietvw | Ok, I know it's a dumb question, but is there something other than the olvwm that runs on this system... |
| 10:38.12 | pietvw | (Personally I'm running X, with tightvncserver... back to my other workstation... ;) |
| 10:38.37 | MrKennie | it runs nothing atm.. no video :/ |
| 10:38.46 | MrKennie | well I can ssh into it |
| 10:39.03 | pietvw | You can't run X on it? |
| 10:39.07 | MrKennie | and play with the OF via serial.. |
| 10:39.29 | MrKennie | cant run X with no framebuffer |
| 10:39.46 | MrKennie | unsupported video card |
| 10:39.50 | MrKennie | so it seems |
| 10:39.52 | pietvw | Ouch... |
| 10:40.19 | MrKennie | it was "upgraded" when it was new |
| 10:41.10 | pietvw | I see... any ideas on the BootX issue? |
| 10:41.27 | MrKennie | bootx will just pick the kernel up |
| 10:41.49 | pietvw | It currently isn't picking it up... |
| 10:42.04 | pietvw | Did I put it in the wrong folder? |
| 10:42.08 | MrKennie | although iirc in my case it never picked it up in the kenels folder for some reason, I had to put the kernel in the system folder then it worked |
| 10:43.39 | sourdough | pietvw i don't think Control\ Panels is the right place |
| 10:43.52 | sourdough | the kernels directory should be next to the bootx program as i recall |
| 10:44.19 | MrKennie | yea.. but that didn't work for me, I'm sure of it |
| 10:46.40 | danw | well, my woody instal is looking a billion times better than my sarge install was |
| 10:47.08 | danw | s/instal/install |
| 10:48.05 | sourdough | MrKennie for the application? or the INIT? |
| 10:48.14 | MrKennie | application |
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| 10:48.34 | sourdough | should have, thats how i see all bootx setups |
| 10:48.38 | sourdough | but i don't use that horrible kludge |
| 10:48.42 | MrKennie | but since I got that to work I been trying ot get quik to work |
| 10:49.04 | MrKennie | and you know the rest |
| 10:49.22 | MrKennie | quik works just dumb hardware |
| 10:49.42 | danw | okay, to start my system with bootx and NOT have X all colour-scrambled, I needed to specify novideo -- how do I do this with quik? |
| 10:50.38 | MrKennie | setenv output-device ? |
| 10:50.51 | pietvw | Ok... let me try that... It might work.. BRB |
| 10:50.58 | pietvw | exit |
| 10:51.04 | sourdough | danw video=ofonly |
| 10:51.17 | danw | eww... ok. Thanks. |
| 10:51.19 | sourdough | danw in an append= line in quik.conf, man quik.conf |
| 10:51.34 | danw | yup |
| 10:52.01 | sourdough | why eww? |
| 10:52.10 | sourdough | thats all BugX is doing |
| 10:52.41 | sourdough | it just promotes ignorance by hiding that fact behind its silly gui |
| 10:53.17 | MrKennie | sourdough: if I set the of to use the video card as the output device, can that effect linux trying to use it? |
| 10:53.30 | MrKennie | just a thought |
| 10:53.41 | danw | well, I was hoping that there was a "fix" for it... It's a tanzania board (4400) and the problem has been mentioned on various ml's, but no definitive answer has been mentioned. |
| 10:53.45 | MrKennie | seeing as tho I cant get it to show of anyway |
| 10:54.38 | sourdough | MrKennie yes |
| 10:54.48 | danw | linuxppc.org just go down? |
| 10:55.42 | MrKennie | sourdough: so if I just set it to ttya..? |
| 10:55.46 | sourdough | danw appears to be |
| 10:55.53 | MrKennie | like its not going to work anyway |
| 10:56.05 | sourdough | MrKennie erm well, what is the problemn now? |
| 10:56.35 | MrKennie | just refusing to accept that it will not work |
| 10:56.45 | MrKennie | me that is |
| 10:57.31 | danw | hmm, back up now I guess |
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| 10:58.00 | MrKennie | the point being, its not showing the OF on boot anyway, so what if the device is kinda "busy" and not allowing linux to use it? |
| 10:59.28 | jcm | HI. Unable to compile last rsynced benh kernel: make menuconfig complains 'Unable to find the Ncurses libraries.' whereas all *ncureses* seem to be installed :( I'm on unstable. |
| 10:59.55 | sourdough | danw probably routing issues then |
| 10:59.55 | danw | okay, I found the tanzania quik howto (eg, 4400 pmac) and what settings to use... except, it explains how to boot from the ata harddrive, and I'm using scsi... instead of ata/ata-disk@0:0 what do I use for scsi id 0? |
| 11:00.17 | sourdough | jcm you must install libncurses5-dev or so |
| 11:00.19 | danw | jcm: you need the -dev libraries |
| 11:01.03 | sourdough | danw probably scsi/sd@0:0 |
| 11:01.07 | danw | cool, thanks |
| 11:01.13 | sourdough | danw or similar, look at devalias |
| 11:01.17 | danw | will do |
| 11:03.35 | MrKennie | sourdough: check this |
| 11:03.42 | MrKennie | Using unsupported 640x480 formacGA4_8 at 82000180, depth=8, pitch=640 |
| 11:03.42 | MrKennie | Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30 |
| 11:03.43 | MrKennie | fb0: Open Firmware frame buffer device on /bandit/formacGA4_8 |
| 11:04.44 | jcm | sourdough, danw, thks, worked |
| 11:07.29 | jcm | when i will have recompiled to have firewire support, will i be able to use firewire on my pwbk to copy a disk in low level (dd) to try to save data from a crashed hfs+ disk ? |
| 11:10.13 | sourdough | MrKennie ok, and? |
| 11:10.32 | MrKennie | well thats via bootx |
| 11:10.42 | MrKennie | and I have video |
| 11:10.47 | sourdough | ok, your using offb, aka video=ofonly |
| 11:10.50 | sourdough | which means no X |
| 11:11.07 | sourdough | reason that works is macos initialized the card, and offb just uses the card in whatever state its in |
| 11:11.12 | sourdough | with no ability to alter it |
| 11:11.19 | sourdough | (which is why, no X) |
| 11:11.22 | MrKennie | ok |
| 11:11.33 | sourdough | so if you get OF to display to that card you get the same result with quik |
| 11:11.39 | sourdough | that won't happen wiht output-device to ttya |
| 11:11.49 | sourdough | since OF won't init the card unless its going to display to it |
| 11:12.11 | sourdough | if the card lacks FCode for OF then OF won't be able to use it |
| 11:12.23 | MrKennie | so i need to find if I can get it to output to video |
| 11:12.31 | sourdough | yup |
| 11:12.33 | sourdough | boot into OF |
| 11:12.44 | sourdough | dev /bandit/formacGA4_8 |
| 11:12.46 | sourdough | words |
| 11:12.52 | MrKennie | which shws open |
| 11:12.55 | sourdough | if there is an open word do see open |
| 11:13.01 | MrKennie | yes |
| 11:13.03 | sourdough | see if there is actual code there |
| 11:13.13 | sourdough | or something stupid like ." FOAD!!!" cr |
| 11:13.23 | MrKennie | ok.. gimme a sec, lemme get into the OF |
| 11:13.47 | sourdough | if there is a good open method, then do: |
| 11:14.04 | sourdough | " /bandit/formacGA4_8" output |
| 11:14.19 | sourdough | OF's console should be moved to the screen, (keyboard will remain at the serial terminal) |
| 11:15.53 | MrKennie | : open |
| 11:15.53 | MrKennie | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.54 | MrKennie | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.43 | sourdough | heh i love oldworld OF |
| 11:16.51 | sourdough | nothing is tokenized and (see) doesn't work |
| 11:17.02 | sourdough | see if the above command works |
| 11:17.05 | sourdough | " /bandit/formacGA4_8" output |
| 11:17.11 | MrKennie | 0 > " /bandit/formacGA4_8" output |
| 11:17.15 | MrKennie | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.18 | MrKennie | 0 > |
| 11:17.20 | MrKennie | thats it |
| 11:17.36 | sourdough | apparently the open method is a noop |
| 11:18.20 | sourdough | unless the display initialized |
| 11:18.27 | sourdough | thats all the output you should get from that command |
| 11:18.38 | sourdough | but the output should have gone to the screen |
| 11:18.45 | sourdough | not the terminal |
| 11:18.45 | MrKennie | nothing happened other than that |
| 11:19.00 | sourdough | does commands still echo to the seriual terminal now? |
| 11:19.21 | MrKennie | yes |
| 11:19.33 | MrKennie | just done dev / ls for the sake of it |
| 11:19.39 | sourdough | yeah that open call must not do anything |
| 11:19.55 | sourdough | or else thats the wrong part of the node |
| 11:21.39 | MrKennie | heh.. theres a close too |
| 11:22.00 | MrKennie | initterminal |
| 11:22.21 | MrKennie | wonder if there's a flash for this thing |
| 11:25.23 | sourdough | flash? |
| 11:27.33 | MrKennie | like a firmware update |
| 11:27.58 | danw | I can crosscompile from an x86 machine with the line make menuconfig ARCH=ppc ? |
| 11:34.39 | sourdough | oh dunno |
| 11:35.00 | sourdough | danw no sure if its that simple.. |
| 11:36.18 | dude | danw: afaik you need to enable cross compiling during compilation of gcc |
| 11:39.17 | danw | yeah, there are no packages for i386 that allow ppc targets in sid, so I guess I'd have to build from scratch |
| 11:39.56 | LarstiQ | danw: www.kegel.com/crosstool |
| 11:40.01 | LarstiQ | there is the 'toolchain' package tho |
| 11:40.21 | danw | hmm |
| 11:40.35 | LarstiQ | may not fit in the debian packaging thingy, but it gets me working cross toolchains |
| 11:41.09 | danw | thanks |
| 11:43.34 | sourdough | danw thats because providing cross compilers for every arch is a LOT of packages |
| 11:43.40 | danw | no doubt |
| 11:44.01 | sourdough | 110 cross compilers for woody |
| 11:44.40 | chlunde | gcc wouldn't build with toolchain (last week) :/ |
| 11:45.00 | MrKennie | sourdough: nope.. its a POS :) |
| 11:45.00 | sourdough | even though it would be bitchin cool to be able to just apt-get install gcc-$ARCH on any arch, for any arch |
| 11:45.16 | MrKennie | formac dont even mention it.. tho no surprise there |
| 11:45.57 | MrKennie | found a site (in jp) that has pictures.. but thats it |
| 11:46.23 | dude | after rsync of linuxppc-2.5benh; head Makefile: SUBLEVEL = 1, EXTRAVERSION =-rc1-ben1; 2.6.1 ?? did I miss something ? |
| 11:46.26 | chlunde | At least for those archs with many users, like ppc/ia32 and ia32/ppc, perhaps ia32/anything. |
| 11:46.45 | chlunde | s,/, to , |
| 11:46.57 | MrKennie | bleh.. stupid hardware manufacturers |
| 11:47.32 | sourdough | dude thats a rsync export of bens bk devel tree, its not a user tree, its not a release tree |
| 11:47.39 | danw | 2.6.1-rc1 is out, yeah: LATEST-IS-2.6.1-rc1 30-Dec-2003 21:23 |
| 11:48.19 | sourdough | danw that was quick, what was the brownbag this time? |
| 11:48.45 | danw | brownbag, sorry, I don't know what that means |
| 11:48.58 | dude | sourdough: thx, know where ben keeps the coresponding changelog ? |
| 11:49.02 | danw | ChangeLog-2.6.1-rc1 30-Dec-2003 21:23 168K |
| 11:49.21 | chlunde | I guess 2.6.0 was tested on a *lot* more setups than 2.6.0-test |
| 11:55.14 | sourdough | danw it means a bug so stupid that the creator of it feels the need to wear a brown paper bag over his head |
| 11:55.43 | sourdough | chlunde well duh, most people won't test anything that isn't a final release |
| 11:55.49 | danw | with a 168k changelog, I'd say that there it'll be hard to find. |
| 11:55.58 | danw | Maybe the ia64 security init one? |
| 11:56.17 | danw | what's the program in powerpc-utils to set the of boot device? |
| 11:56.55 | danw | like, the equivilant to bootvars |
| 11:57.51 | sourdough | rc and pre kernels are supposed to go into the testing/ subdir and not have LATEST_IS pointing to them.. |
| 11:58.02 | sourdough | danw nvsetenv |
| 11:58.55 | danw | coo |
| 12:02.28 | danw | eeee |
| 12:02.32 | danw | don't do that! |
| 12:02.36 | danw | put it on ebay! |
| 12:02.42 | MrKennie | what for? |
| 12:03.27 | danw | have someone pay to get rid of it for oyu |
| 12:03.27 | sourdough | MrKennie ebay has a great deal of morons who will bid on anything, and then get into pissing matches bidding things up to absurd levels just to `win' |
| 12:03.34 | MrKennie | I'll willingly swap it for an ATI.. maybe slower than the #9 but I dont care |
| 12:03.51 | MrKennie | sourdough: yea.. true |
| 12:04.02 | MrKennie | but if I do that I better make sure it still works ;) |
| 12:04.15 | sourdough | you could probably sell a pile of dog crap on ebay |
| 12:04.37 | sourdough | MrKennie you literally threw it? |
| 12:04.41 | sourdough | whehehe |
| 12:04.44 | MrKennie | yes |
| 12:04.57 | MrKennie | I found specs that claim its OF compliancy |
| 12:05.02 | MrKennie | so I threw it |
| 12:06.00 | MrKennie | guess alot of people didn't care about OF |
| 12:07.31 | MrKennie | and one review claims it was the fastest card around at the time |
| 12:07.57 | MrKennie | and very expensive |
| 12:08.50 | MrKennie | :) |
| 12:12.09 | sourdough | it probably does enough OF to get setup for macos, but not enough to handle a OF console |
| 12:12.18 | sourdough | since that wasn't needed in oldworld |
| 12:14.00 | MrKennie | hmm |
| 12:15.15 | danw | it's amazing how much better a 32mb system will run when given some swap to play with |
| 12:15.50 | MrKennie | my iMac runs liek a dog trying to run kde :) |
| 12:16.04 | jcm | Damaged disk recovery: with appropriate kernel firewire support, will i be able to use firewire on my pwbk to copy a disk in low level (dd) to try to save data from a crashed hfs+ disk ? |
| 12:18.29 | sourdough | jcm probably, you can boot the powerbook in firewire target disk mode, this is done with some snag key in OF (hold the key at boot) then the machine will act like a firewire hard disk you can connect to another computer |
| 12:18.59 | MrKennie | T I think |
| 12:19.05 | sourdough | think so too |
| 12:19.11 | MrKennie | boots usb/firewire devices |
| 12:19.18 | MrKennie | or tries |
| 12:19.32 | sourdough | hfs+ is a horrible filesystem though, the fsck is worthless, if you had used UFS there would be better chance of more recovery |
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| 12:23.02 | jcm | sourdough: we tried already yesterday, but the damaged disk wasn't seen |
| 12:23.20 | jcm | i unplugged it and placed it in an external firewire box |
| 12:23.43 | jcm | the osx repairing tool was not ablle to repair the two important partitions |
| 12:24.15 | jcm | i suspect some blocks being dead |
| 12:25.10 | jcm | mys idea was to copy with dd to another disk then either retry to repair with osx tool either to try to mount under linux and copy some files |
| 12:25.52 | jcm | but i don't know if firewire under linux let me access the hd on lowlevel |
| 12:26.11 | danw | whelp, I can get of to call qwik now... I think? I apparently now need to tell it where to find my magic kernel... |
| 12:26.56 | danw | I'm surprised at the... dispersion... of the documentation on this stuff |
| 12:29.35 | sourdough | sure you configured the firewire stuff right? |
| 12:30.40 | sourdough | but yeah dd if=/dev/broken of=brokenimage bs=512 conv=noerror,sync is your best bet |
| 12:30.56 | dreamind | Hi :) |
| 12:31.01 | dreamind | Hi sourdough :) |
| 12:31.02 | sourdough | jcm but hfs+ fsck is incapable of fixing anything |
| 12:31.14 | sourdough | it can't fix the most trivial errors of the btrees |
| 12:31.21 | sourdough | hi dr |
| 12:31.34 | dreamind | hm, even not the one from apple? |
| 12:31.37 | jcm | sourdough: can i copy with dd even a broken fs ? |
| 12:31.46 | jcm | i think so |
| 12:31.47 | dreamind | wasn't there a patch to build the apple hfs+ tools on linux? |
| 12:31.51 | sourdough | dreamind im talking about the one from apple |
| 12:31.55 | sourdough | dreamind its worthless |
| 12:31.57 | dreamind | huh, strange |
| 12:32.03 | sourdough | dreamind yes, but its out of date |
| 12:32.18 | dreamind | ah 'k I never used it though :) |
| 12:32.19 | sourdough | dreamind i found this out when writing my own mini mkfs.hfsplus |
| 12:32.27 | jcm | it's not like ext2/ext3? with simply a journal added ? |
| 12:32.43 | sourdough | dreamind i would make small trivial errors in my btree generations, and fsck refused to try and repair them |
| 12:32.49 | dreamind | hm, imho the journaled hfs+ is a simple hfs+ with a kind of a journal file |
| 12:33.12 | dreamind | hm, bad |
| 12:33.17 | sourdough | jcm journaling is kludged on in a ext3 like way yes, but that does not matter if the fs is corrupt |
| 12:33.23 | sourdough | journaling does not mean never corrupted |
| 12:33.32 | sourdough | nor does it mean `i never need a fsck again' |
| 12:33.56 | sourdough | dreamind storing anything important on hfsplus is a mistake |
| 12:34.11 | jcm | maybe blocks aren't handled the same because some old macos system (handling only hfs) could not access hfs+ :( |
| 12:34.24 | jcm | sourdough: why doe apple relies on this hfs+ for osX ? |
| 12:34.26 | sourdough | jcm what? |
| 12:34.42 | sourdough | jcm because macos lusers like thier forks bullshit |
| 12:34.49 | sourdough | UFS can be used, and its fsck works |
| 12:35.06 | jcm | i said i don't believe hfs+ is only hfs+journaling because i expreienced that hfs+ hd could not be seen from old systems |
| 12:35.11 | sourdough | i heard apple fixed thier ufs drivers quite a bit in panther |
| 12:35.16 | LarstiQ | sourdough: so putting osx on hfs+ is fine? |
| 12:35.39 | sourdough | jcm dirty hfs+ i think can't be mounted by anything not supporting journalling |
| 12:35.42 | dreamind | sourdough: well... if youre kinda caught to osx? |
| 12:35.55 | sourdough | LarstiQ not if you care about your data |
| 12:36.03 | LarstiQ | sourdough: my point exactly |
| 12:36.04 | sourdough | LarstiQ or did you mean UFS |
| 12:36.23 | dreamind | well afaik several mac programs have big problems with ufs |
| 12:36.32 | dreamind | and osx ufs is _NOT_ writeable from linux |
| 12:36.39 | jcm | probably classic wouldn't work under osX/ufs |
| 12:36.49 | sourdough | dreamind that could be fixed |
| 12:37.02 | sourdough | dreamind lack of reason is probably only reason nobody ever bothered |
| 12:37.05 | dreamind | sourdough: well I simply want now a machine with suspend so i'm using osx |
| 12:37.15 | dreamind | sourdough: maybe. |
| 12:37.27 | jcm | suspend works on my debian pwb :p |
| 12:37.46 | dreamind | jcm: not on mine (17" 1.33ghz pb) |
| 12:37.50 | jcm | simply pb with alsa :( |
| 12:37.57 | jcm | ah, mine is older |
| 12:38.39 | dreamind | well, I simply spent too much money for this machine that I want it to not be fully supported |
| 12:38.54 | dreamind | and the keyboard backlit also doesn't work under linux |
| 12:39.06 | dreamind | well I think I should investigate on this... |
| 12:39.18 | LarstiQ | suspending sounds like a videocard issue |
| 12:39.23 | LarstiQ | dreamind: which is it? |
| 12:39.27 | dreamind | LarstiQ: it is. Radeon 9600 |
| 12:39.40 | LarstiQ | dreamind: ok, tried prodding ATI yet? |
| 12:39.43 | dreamind | (which is currently unsupported) |
| 12:39.45 | tarzeau | LarstiQ: do you listen to oggs on your apple computer? |
| 12:39.48 | LarstiQ | to make them give code to benh faster |
| 12:39.51 | LarstiQ | tarzeau: yes |
| 12:39.56 | dreamind | afaik ben did that already |
| 12:40.05 | tarzeau | LarstiQ: i have this problem www.linuks.mine.nu/people/sourdough/ |
| 12:40.20 | tarzeau | LarstiQ: i've it even with benh 2.4.23-ben1 |
| 12:40.33 | tarzeau | LarstiQ: it's that DSP STEREO something ioctl |
| 12:40.41 | tarzeau | happens with music123 and ogg123 |
| 12:40.52 | dreamind | tarzeau: alsa or oss driver? |
| 12:40.55 | tarzeau | oss |
| 12:41.11 | dreamind | hm |
| 12:41.13 | tarzeau | happy new year to everyone (povray): www.linuks.mine.nu/hny/xmas.jpg |
| 12:41.16 | jcm | my colleague has a 800 g4; yesterday all freezed during a photoshop operation, then keeped spinning disk without event occuring; rebooting impossible :( disk seems completly damaged with last days heavy work on urgent project on it; i suspect osx to have broken hfs+ |
| 12:41.26 | tarzeau | LarstiQ, dreamind should i try 2.6.0 ? |
| 12:41.31 | LarstiQ | tarzeau: yes |
| 12:41.34 | tarzeau | sourdough: hi :) |
| 12:41.42 | LarstiQ | 2.6.0-ben3 to be specific |
| 12:41.49 | tarzeau | LarstiQ: i can get that with rsync? |
| 12:41.55 | LarstiQ | tarzeau: aye |
| 12:41.58 | sourdough | jcm well this sound slike hardware disk failure |
| 12:42.03 | tarzeau | rsync --progress -avz rsync.penguinppc.org::linux-2.4-benh /usr/src/benh_kernel |
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| 12:42.05 | sourdough | no OS can really do much to help you there |
| 12:42.09 | tarzeau | i guess i'll just change 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 12:42.13 | Pluu33R | sourdough: only deb ? |
| 12:42.19 | jcm | sourdough: broken blocks on magnetic support you mean ? |
| 12:42.25 | sourdough | but a working fsck to deal with the recovre4d data image helps a lot |
| 12:42.29 | sourdough | too bad apple won't make one |
| 12:42.34 | dreamind | tarzeau: I dunno, perhaps... |
| 12:42.43 | LarstiQ | rsync -avz source.mvista.com::linuxppc-2.5-benh benh_2.6/ |
| 12:42.50 | tarzeau | LarstiQ: thanksx |
| 12:42.50 | sourdough | jcm damaged heads, damaged sectors yes, all sorts of things can fail in disks |
| 12:42.58 | LarstiQ | that is what I'm using, could be another place is better |
| 12:43.21 | LarstiQ | tarzeau: 2.6 fixed quite some sound issues for me |
| 12:43.32 | sourdough | esp laptops |
| 12:43.39 | dude | tarzeau: the above holds 2.6.1-rc1-ben1 now |
| 12:43.47 | sourdough | never ever rely on a laptop to exclusivly hold anything important |
| 12:43.48 | tarzeau | wow 2.6.1 ? is out already |
| 12:43.57 | tarzeau | i'll give that a try once i made more space on my harddisk :) |
| 12:44.59 | tarzeau | x works? |
| 12:45.09 | LarstiQ | tarzeau: your direct issue could be resolved by installing an older libao2 |
| 12:45.11 | tarzeau | brownbag is what? the disadvantages? |
| 12:45.29 | LarstiQ | brown paper bag, a bag one puts over ones head when really ashamed |
| 12:45.35 | spacecowboy | @+kernel |
| 12:45.41 | sourdough | tarzeau no, a bug so stupid that the originator feels the need to wear a brown paper bag over his head |
| 12:45.47 | tarzeau | hehe |
| 12:45.51 | spacecowboy | hey sour |
| 12:45.52 | sourdough | sheesh does nobody remember Charlie Brown? |
| 12:45.59 | tarzeau | i know charlie brown |
| 12:46.01 | sourdough | kids these days... |
| 12:46.04 | tarzeau | and snoopy :) |
| 12:46.18 | spacecowboy | @kernel |
| 12:46.37 | LarstiQ | sourdough: hmmm, both LATEST-IS-2.6.0 and LATEST_IS-2.6.1-rc1 exist. Would that be normal for stable + rc? |
| 12:46.51 | LarstiQ | Charlie Brown? |
| 12:46.53 | spacecowboy | what is rc? |
| 12:47.04 | spacecowboy | i have no idea what patch that is |
| 12:47.05 | LarstiQ | spacecowboy: release candidate |
| 12:47.10 | spacecowboy | which is.... |
| 12:47.16 | LarstiQ | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.1-rc1 |
| 12:47.18 | tarzeau | LarstiQ: try google pictures |
| 12:47.29 | spacecowboy | LarstiQ: just can you give me a summary |
| 12:47.31 | LarstiQ | spacecowboy: a candidate for release :) |
| 12:47.34 | spacecowboy | just the differentces... |
| 12:47.36 | spacecowboy | oh ok |
| 12:47.39 | spacecowboy | i get it |
| 12:47.40 | spacecowboy | lol |
| 12:47.49 | LarstiQ | that changelog is huge, it will take some time summing up |
| 12:47.56 | spacecowboy | nevermind |
| 12:47.56 | spacecowboy | its ok |
| 12:48.02 | spacecowboy | i just wanted to know what it meant |
| 12:48.05 | spacecowboy | what rc was for |
| 12:48.06 | spacecowboy | i get it |
| 12:48.10 | spacecowboy | thanks i have practice now |
| 12:48.12 | spacecowboy | :) peace |
| 13:04.56 | danw | okay, I've convinced OF to boot quik, but quik doesn't want to automatically boot my kernel... any ideas? it just stops at the boot: prompt and requires me to enter the kernel name |
| 13:05.25 | danw | and yay, I can't boot with my monitor plugged in, or it resorts to a monitor freq I can't handle... grr |
| 13:06.00 | dude | set/check the default entry |
| 13:06.07 | danw | in quik you mean? |
| 13:06.11 | dude | yep |
| 13:06.15 | danw | hmm |
| 13:07.37 | danw | it is set |
| 13:12.19 | danw | found it |
| 13:12.24 | danw | boot-file was unset in of |
| 13:33.14 | sourdough | danw no boot-file should be unset |
| 13:33.22 | sourdough | danw you need to configure /etc/quik.conf correctly |
| 13:33.45 | sourdough | LarstiQ no its not normal for -rc kernels to be in the release directory at all |
| 13:33.53 | sourdough | LarstiQ they should be only under testing/ |
| 13:35.00 | LarstiQ | kernel.org frontpage doesn't mention it yet either |
| 13:35.32 | danw | sourdough: should my of point to sd1:6 or sd1:0 ? |
| 13:35.50 | danw | (6 is root_ |
| 13:35.51 | danw | ) |
| 13:38.49 | danw | nope, it still asks for the kernel image name |
| 13:39.01 | danw | and quik.conf is set properly, as near as I can tell |
| 13:40.21 | danw | OHH |
| 13:40.35 | danw | Virginia Tech's G5 cluster is on BBC World right now |
| 13:40.46 | sourdough | danw boot-file should be null |
| 13:40.49 | danw | it is |
| 13:40.54 | sourdough | danw in /etc/quik.conf you have image=/whatever |
| 13:40.56 | danw | I erased it after you said that |
| 13:40.58 | sourdough | just like lilo |
| 13:41.08 | sourdough | lets see your quik.conf |
| 13:41.15 | danw | k |
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| 13:42.50 | drwarner | ## This file generated during installation. |
| 13:42.50 | drwarner | ## Debian GNU/Linux PowerPC |
| 13:42.50 | drwarner | init-message="\nDebian GNU/Linux PowerPC (woody)\n" |
| 13:42.50 | drwarner | default=Linux |
| 13:42.50 | drwarner | timeout=100 |
| 13:42.50 | drwarner | root=/dev/sda6 |
| 13:42.52 | drwarner | partition=6 |
| 13:42.54 | drwarner | ## Do not point image= to a symlink, quik can't follow symlinks |
| 13:42.56 | drwarner | image=/boot/vmlinux-2.2.20-pmac |
| 13:42.58 | drwarner | label=Linux |
| 13:43.00 | drwarner | read-only |
| 13:43.02 | drwarner | append="video=ofonly" |
| 13:43.27 | danw | there it is |
| 13:46.08 | sourdough | ok, it will wait 10 seconds before booting the default image |
| 13:46.18 | danw | no |
| 13:46.20 | danw | it doesn't. |
| 13:46.35 | danw | It waits 10 seconds then asks for the image name |
| 13:46.36 | sourdough | what error does it print then |
| 13:46.56 | sourdough | is /boot on a different partition then / |
| 13:47.45 | danw | Enter the kernle image name as [device:][partno]/path, where partno is a number from 0 to 16. Instead of /path you can type [mm-nn] to specify a range of disk blocks (512B) |
| 13:47.50 | danw | no, it isn't different. |
| 13:48.05 | sourdough | sounds like there is junk in boot-file |
| 13:48.22 | danw | if I enter in /boot/vmlinux-2.2.20-pmac it boots it. |
| 13:48.32 | sourdough | put Linux in boot-file |
| 13:48.42 | sourdough | nvsetenv boot-file "Linux" |
| 13:48.53 | danw | I can do that. js a sec |
| 13:50.54 | danw | yup, that fixes it. |
| 13:50.55 | danw | Thanks. |
| 13:51.10 | sourdough | using a label lets quik.conf still work |
| 13:51.20 | sourdough | if you put a filename then your image= section is ignored |
| 13:51.45 | sourdough | apparently you have a version of OF that gives quik random crap for an arg if boot-file is null |
| 13:51.52 | danw | 2.0.2 |
| 13:52.00 | sourdough | yeah tahts common in 2.x OF |
| 13:52.27 | sourdough | on beige g3s boot-file usually has to be set to somtehing, but quik never sees it so it doesn't matter what |
| 13:52.44 | sourdough | i had it set to FOAD or something on penguinppc's old beige g3 |
| 13:53.28 | danw | FOAD, like german's LMAA |
| 13:53.53 | sourdough | @foad |
| 13:53.59 | danw | foad stands for fumble off and die, right? |
| 13:54.02 | sourdough | ~foad |
| 13:54.13 | | rumour has it, foad is \"fuck off and die\". Considered by many to be impolite. |
| 13:54.18 | danw | yeah |
| 13:54.44 | LarstiQ | LMAA being? |
| 13:55.03 | danw | the german equiv. is LMAA, which translates literally to "lick me in [my] ass" |
| 13:55.20 | danw | Leck mich am Arsch |
| 13:55.34 | LarstiQ | ah yes |
| 13:55.40 | LarstiQ | Lik m'n reet in Dutch |
| 13:58.38 | danw | I'm debating over bothering to switch to a 2.4.23 kernel on this box |
| 14:00.38 | danw | opinions? I'm running 2.2.20 currently |
| 14:01.18 | LarstiQ | desktop? |
| 14:01.22 | danw | yes |
| 14:01.50 | danw | but a stable one, eg, I'm installing it and it's not changing until the next stable release |
| 14:02.41 | LarstiQ | wuh |
| 14:02.48 | LarstiQ | then go with 2.4.23 |
| 14:03.01 | sourdough | what do you need that 2.4 has? |
| 14:03.09 | sourdough | 2.2 VM is still much better then 2.4 |
| 14:03.13 | danw | I don't know, that's why I ask. |
| 14:03.47 | danw | any reason to not cp arch/ppc/configs/pmac_defconfig .config ? |
| 14:04.00 | sourdough | danw yeah, its not necessary |
| 14:04.20 | sourdough | that is done automatically when you run make config||menuconfig |
| 14:04.23 | danw | ahh |
| 14:04.35 | sourdough | and default powermac configs suck |
| 14:05.06 | danw | should I bother upgrading to 2.2.25 ? |
| 14:05.17 | sourdough | yes, security fixes |
| 14:06.19 | LarstiQ | 2.2.25 has the brk fix? |
| 14:06.32 | sourdough | as far as 2.4 goes, it has better fs like XFS, better firewalling (iptables) |
| 14:06.38 | sourdough | LarstiQ 2.2 was never vulnerable to that |
| 14:07.11 | danw | not using XFS, the network gateway is the lan's firewall. |
| 14:07.40 | danw | if I use ext3, the drive will never spin down, so scratch that |
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| 14:08.14 | Pluu33R | 2.4 has beter soundsupport as well on Macs, I thought :? |
| 14:08.44 | danw | dmasound is all I need, I'm listening to an mp3 on the mac right now |
| 14:08.51 | LarstiQ | for me, 2.6 is better soundwise than 2.4 |
| 14:09.04 | danw | oh, and it doesn't skip. |
| 14:09.56 | danw | are there any 2.2 ppc patches I should be applying? I don't see any on penguinppc.org |
| 14:13.44 | sourdough | Pluu33R not really |
| 14:13.50 | sourdough | Pluu33R the sound drivers are really identical |
| 14:14.08 | sourdough | danw 2.2.25 is in fully merged powerpc state |
| 14:14.22 | sourdough | no patches needed, no 2.2-benh |
| 14:14.40 | sourdough | 2.2 just works fine on everything it supported at the time |
| 14:15.23 | sourdough | for a desktop 2.4 really tends to suck |
| 14:15.34 | sourdough | since it loves to keep everything in swap all the time |
| 14:15.42 | sourdough | thus ensuring its thrashing constantly |
| 14:17.23 | danw | is there a way in the kernel to remap option to mean meta? |
| 14:19.19 | danw | I've got the appledesign 103 key, and I keep hitting option instead of alt/meta |
| 14:19.32 | danw | or apple, not option |
| 14:19.34 | danw | silly me |
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| 14:24.46 | sunnan | hi folks. how does one eject the cd on the slotloaded ibook g4:s? |
| 14:24.57 | sunnan | eject doesn't seem to work |
| 14:25.02 | danw | ouch |
| 14:26.07 | danw | eject -r /dev/<devname> ? |
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| 14:27.48 | sunnan | it gives me "unable to open /dev/hdc" |
| 14:28.05 | danw | then you don't have the privlidges, I would guess, to do so |
| 14:28.40 | sunnan | duh, thanks, now it works |
| 14:29.14 | sunnan | thanks :) |
| 14:30.14 | danw | np |
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| 14:31.39 | nusse | hi |
| 14:32.29 | danw | hi |
| 14:32.53 | danw | anyone here use mesh in async instead of sync 5? |
| 14:33.03 | nusse | im wondering how to set the root device etc for a kernel, knl tells me that my kernel is no kernel image |
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| 14:37.17 | sourdough | danw yeah the Apple USB keyboard layout does just that |
| 14:37.33 | sourdough | danw in X its option alt:swapmeta |
| 14:38.28 | sourdough | sunnan add yourself to group cdrom |
| 14:38.34 | sourdough | sunnan and chgrp cdrom /dev/hdc |
| 14:38.45 | danw | cool. I like that. |
| 14:39.15 | sourdough | nusse you put root=/dev/whatever in your yaboot.conf or quik.conf |
| 14:39.31 | sourdough | nusse rdev doesn't work on !x86 |
| 14:41.13 | nusse | sourdough: im not using rdev, im using knl. if knl does not work on !x86, why is it in woody ppc? |
| 14:41.50 | nusse | sourdough: im trying to create a boot disk, how do i tell the kernel on the boot disk which device to use as root? |
| 14:45.18 | danw | http://penguinppc.org/~aarthur/tanzania/quik/ |
| 14:45.22 | danw | see the section at the end |
| 14:45.27 | danw | booting linux from a floppy |
| 14:46.18 | danw | it might help you, maybe not. |
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| 14:52.00 | sourdough | nusse i don't know what knl is, but im betting its no different then rdev |
| 14:52.12 | sourdough | nusse there is no place in the kernel image for embedded root device |
| 14:52.17 | sourdough | thats an x86 bootwrapper ism |
| 14:53.07 | sourdough | i think the prep kernels might have such a thing, since prep firmware is usually so broken |
| 14:53.13 | sourdough | but not the others |
| 14:53.32 | nusse | knl replaces rdev |
| 14:53.49 | nusse | danw: thx, will have a look on it |
| 14:53.50 | sourdough | i dbout its any more portable |
| 14:54.09 | sourdough | it can't be, simply because the kernel images aren't in that regard |
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| 14:54.40 | sunnan | sourdough: oh, I know. actually my cdrom device is already in group disk, I'll just add myself to that. |
| 14:54.43 | sunnan | thanks though |
| 14:54.51 | sourdough | sunnan no |
| 14:54.52 | sunnan | I just forgot |
| 14:55.02 | sunnan | kinda embarrassing |
| 14:55.04 | sourdough | sunnan NEVER add anyone to group disk |
| 14:55.07 | sunnan | ah! |
| 14:55.08 | sunnan | ok |
| 14:55.12 | sunnan | thanks |
| 14:55.15 | sourdough | thats as bad as changing your users uid to 0 |
| 14:55.16 | sunnan | why is that, though? |
| 14:55.24 | sourdough | because group disk can write ALL disks |
| 14:55.26 | sourdough | including / |
| 14:55.29 | sunnan | ah! |
| 14:55.32 | sourdough | which means you have no security |
| 14:55.45 | sourdough | group cdrom is for cdrom devices only |
| 14:55.50 | sunnan | great |
| 14:55.58 | sourdough | so you fix hdc to group cdrom since its your cdrom |
| 14:56.04 | sourdough | its a readonly device so thats safe |
| 14:56.05 | sunnan | used this OS for years and never thought of that |
| 14:56.17 | sourdough | but /dev/hda is your root disk, having write access to that is NOT safe |
| 14:56.19 | sunnan | how about cdr's? |
| 14:56.20 | sourdough | makes you root all the time |
| 14:56.34 | sunnan | cdr:s (no apostrophe, sry) |
| 14:56.50 | sourdough | sunnan those usally have to go through ide-scsi |
| 14:57.00 | sourdough | but cd burning is different anyway |
| 14:57.12 | sourdough | whether you want your normal uid to be able to write cds is up to you |
| 14:57.16 | sourdough | like group floppy |
| 14:57.33 | sunnan | right |
| 14:58.56 | sourdough | group disk is intended for backup software |
| 14:59.10 | sourdough | even though the concept is rather flawed really |
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| 15:12.13 | danw | what's the kernel option to completely disable console video? |
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| 15:18.01 | Curalton | anybody knows a good site about *cough* unixware (version 2.x here)? |
| 15:18.19 | Bor_Ed | ouch :P |
| 15:18.42 | Bor_Ed | some univ sites might have some documentation, google a bit |
| 15:18.51 | Bor_Ed | maybe mit open courseware ?-o |
| 15:19.48 | Curalton | ouch indeed :>. it "boots" into some app, 's' gets me some grub-like prompt and i want to get a commandline or so. |
| 15:20.23 | Bor_Ed | asked on #unix (here or pantynet) ? |
| 15:21.07 | Curalton | yeah, only tried #unixware and #sco *duck* - tried googeling but got nothing usefull yet |
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| 15:22.43 | Bor_Ed | there's 'some' knowledge on pantynet #unix (dropped by with RS and hp-pa issues) |
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| 15:24.08 | Curalton | know any pantynet ircserver? |
| 15:24.22 | Bor_Ed | us.undernet.org or eu.undernet.org |
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| 15:25.55 | Curalton | ok.. hmm do i want to figure out how to connect to multiple networks in irssi or do i launch a 2nd instance... ;) |
| 15:26.13 | Bor_Ed | I've been lazy ass and launched another on irssi |
| 15:26.23 | Bor_Ed | never bothered to RTFM :P |
| 15:26.30 | sk1p | /connect some.new.server ;) |
| 15:26.44 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 15:26.44 | Curalton | /connect keeps the cureent one? |
| 15:26.51 | sk1p | jup |
| 15:26.54 | Curalton | current* - k :) |
| 15:27.05 | Curalton | Bor_Ed: if i drop hit sk1p :> |
| 15:27.05 | nusse | whats the difference between a normal kernel and a .coff kernel? |
| 15:27.18 | Bor_Ed | will do :) |
| 15:28.33 | Curalton | ah, works. for other ircnets i usually start another irssi too, but for onely one # |
| 15:29.14 | Bor_Ed | I've got 3 networks and 5-7 channels usually on xchat (haven't been on ircnet in ages) |
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| 15:35.38 | Curalton | i have a max of 10 channeles for each ircnet, b/c alt+[0-9] for switching |
| 15:37.04 | Bor_Ed | b/c ? |
| 15:37.46 | Curalton | because |
| 15:38.00 | Bor_Ed | right |
| 15:38.59 | Curalton | hmm, looks like my question is being ignored there :) |
| 15:39.21 | Bor_Ed | they aren't too much alive except at yankee evening/nites |
| 15:41.37 | Curalton | they are alive, but "<@notlife> notice the ignorning" ... :> |
| 15:42.41 | Bor_Ed | ahh, well, SCO isn't too 'hot' currently :P |
| 15:43.37 | Curalton | true indeed. yet there was a review of unixware on osnews.com recently |
| 15:43.54 | Bor_Ed | it got to /. frontpage too |
| 15:44.19 | Curalton | hmm, im no /.'er... |
| 15:44.23 | Bor_Ed | tho aos4 was on osnews a while back too, didn't make to /. :I |
| 15:44.58 | Bor_Ed | I check /. , linuxdevices, deviceforge and 6502 forum pretty often |
| 15:45.30 | Curalton | never had an amiga so i can't really judge the OS4 "hype" (?) |
| 15:46.16 | Bor_Ed | I really don't care about the os4 (don't have gear to run it) but the hype for last couple of years has been rediculous (considering MOS/pegasos has been out for that time) |
| 15:46.16 | nusse | "unrecognized client program formatstate not valid" im trying to boot of a floppy, what does that mean? |
| 16:00.11 | Curalton | hmm, found that single state is initstat=1, yet not how to replace init with e.g. a sh instance |
| 16:00.31 | Bor_Ed | init=/bin/sh ?-) |
| 16:00.49 | Bor_Ed | or initstat on that case ? |
| 16:01.07 | Curalton | nope, didn't work (im not at it right now..) |
| 16:01.32 | Bor_Ed | you can boot the box to X ? |
| 16:02.32 | Curalton | there is no X, some "ncurses" based app takes over quite soon. |
| 16:03.03 | Bor_Ed | can you ctrl+f1-f6 ? (aix and hp-ux allowed that) |
| 16:03.16 | Bor_Ed | ctrl+alt that is |
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| 16:03.36 | Curalton | i want to circumvent this, hence init=/bin/sh or so.. - no i can't, but even if i'd have to know a password |
| 16:04.22 | Bor_Ed | hmm, hp-ux booted to init 1 without pass from its firmware ... check google groups if that does the same |
| 16:05.56 | Curalton | there is no firmware, its a p2 mmx. this interface has be in use since 1990 or so. probably was the best unix at that time... |
| 16:06.28 | Bor_Ed | right |
| 16:06.47 | Curalton | hmm, russian: http://linux.taraz.kz/doc/sovet/sys.html - but all google hints show me there is only a INITSTATE=s (or S?) |
| 16:07.19 | Bor_Ed | check if you can create linux boot floppy and try if you can mount the root partition as rw (and remove /etc/shadow or whatever :) |
| 16:08.03 | Curalton | hmm, i'll try that indeed. too bad where the box is there is not internet at all |
| 16:08.24 | Bor_Ed | linux rescue boot doesn't require internet :) |
| 16:08.39 | Curalton | heh :) |
| 16:09.55 | Curalton | this version 2.x has probalby so many security holes i could get on the box without a password in 12 other ways :> |
| 16:10.25 | Bor_Ed | just get a lappie with you and start hammering from tty :) |
| 16:10.59 | Bor_Ed | anyway, I think that linux with suitable FS support will do just nicely :P |
| 16:17.59 | Curalton | i'll have a look and let you know :) - cyas |
| 16:22.40 | danw | my keyboard mapping seems to have rearranged itself after upgrading from 2.2.20 to 2.2.25, anyone have any idea why that might happen? |
| 16:23.09 | dude | explain "rearranged" |
| 16:23.46 | danw | it went from a coherent keymap to apparently random |
| 16:24.00 | danw | hmm, let me check something first |
| 16:24.05 | dude | so you're stuck at login ? |
| 16:24.15 | Bor_Ed | debian.org ports ppc keycodes doc could help |
| 16:24.32 | dude | Bor_Ed: was going for that ;-) |
| 16:24.39 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 16:24.44 | danw | no, I rebooted to my old kernel |
| 16:25.01 | danw | I just realized that I enabled ADB keycodes, so I turned it off and am recompiling |
| 16:25.27 | danw | hopefully that'll fix it |
| 16:25.35 | Bor_Ed | should |
| 16:26.02 | danw | so much for "it is safe to say "Y" here" |
| 16:26.16 | dude | lol |
| 16:26.34 | dude | help is pretty much x86-centered |
| 16:26.35 | Bor_Ed | depends :) |
| 16:26.42 | Bor_Ed | yea |
| 16:26.49 | dude | preempt i.e. |
| 16:27.28 | Bor_Ed | works only on p4 or such ? |
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| 16:28.00 | dude | works on p4, not on ppc |
| 16:28.18 | Bor_Ed | gee, something actually works on p4 ?!? |
| 16:28.20 | danw | what, preempt? |
| 16:28.43 | dude | yep. you _did_ disable, didn't ya ? |
| 16:28.58 | Bor_Ed | kernel tries to guess what you want to do next ... |
| 16:29.11 | danw | dude: 2.2.25 - there is no preempt |
| 16:29.31 | dude | danw: right |
| 16:29.52 | dude | Bor_Ed: well, for a router ... |
| 16:30.16 | danw | is there any way to use GeoPort Express's under linux? |
| 16:30.30 | danw | yeah, it was the ADB keycode that was the problem |
| 16:30.46 | Bor_Ed | if I'd know what the F is that I might even guess :o |
| 16:31.53 | danw | Bor_Ed: the geoport was a software modem that came out back in the 9600 days, it was software upgradable to 28.8 - voice, fax, data. The Express version was a comslot internal of the same. |
| 16:32.37 | Bor_Ed | check from lspci what it says for chip ... |
| 16:33.39 | danw | it doesn't show up in lspci, it shows up as tty0 |
| 16:33.53 | danw | from the linux pov, it's just a serial port |
| 16:33.53 | Bor_Ed | ttyS0 ? |
| 16:34.05 | danw | but minicom won't talk to it |
| 16:34.08 | Bor_Ed | try to shoot ATZ at it on minicom ? |
| 16:34.46 | danw | I suspect that there isn't any support for it, and that's fine with me. I just don't want to pull it unless I'm replacing it with a commslot II ethernet card. |
| 16:35.26 | Bor_Ed | hmm, what all speeds/parameters you've tried on minicom ? |
| 16:35.33 | danw | various |
| 16:35.37 | danw | no echo |
| 16:35.44 | danw | no responses |
| 16:36.18 | Bor_Ed | 19200,8,n,1 ? |
| 16:37.04 | danw | nada |
| 16:37.21 | Bor_Ed | 57600,8,n,1 ? |
| 16:37.23 | danw | nada |
| 16:37.30 | Bor_Ed | 33600,8,n,1 ? |
| 16:37.35 | danw | 336? |
| 16:37.47 | Bor_Ed | or 36600 ... don't recall offhand |
| 16:37.56 | danw | can't do 336 with minicom 384 |
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| 16:38.07 | Bor_Ed | that then |
| 16:38.16 | Bor_Ed | right, 38400 :) |
| 16:38.34 | danw | 3,12,24,96,192,385,576,115.2,230.4 - tried 192-230.4 |
| 16:38.59 | danw | s/385/386 |
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| 16:39.03 | danw | 4 |
| 16:39.05 | danw | damnit |
| 16:42.53 | danw | hmm, interesting. When the Commslot II has a geoport modem in it, it simply replaces the modem serial port. When the CSII slot has an ethernet card in place, it acts as a pci slot. |
| 16:43.17 | Bor_Ed | it's a 'winmodem' :) |
| 16:45.10 | danw | yeah |
| 16:45.13 | danw | it is |
| 16:45.54 | Bor_Ed | www.linmodems.org or the lappie linux howto (have to google for latter) |
| 16:46.19 | Bor_Ed | I'm off to blast some firework.... bbiah (or 3) |
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| 16:48.00 | vash_ | who makes cpu upgrades for g3 systems? |
| 16:48.32 | micklweiss_lapto | hi guys, I'm trying to setup my 7600/132 withsarge |
| 16:49.16 | micklweiss_lapto | what files do i need to write to disk thats in the powermac folder |
| 16:49.23 | danw | don't try to install straight into sarge |
| 16:49.29 | danw | install woody first then update |
| 16:49.32 | micklweiss_lapto | also, does the floppy need to be mac formated? |
| 16:49.45 | danw | before you write the image to it? no. |
| 16:49.49 | vash_ | anyone know some cpu drop in replacements for apple systems? |
| 16:50.00 | micklweiss_lapto | rawrite2 takes care of that i guess |
| 16:50.00 | vash_ | i have a g3/400mhz |
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| 16:50.16 | vash_ | i'd like to drop something faster in, but dont know whom to look into |
| 16:50.30 | micklweiss_lapto | danw - why do you say install woody first? |
| 16:50.50 | micklweiss_lapto | i am in no mood to download another ISO ;) |
| 16:51.43 | micklweiss_lapto | do i write everything to the floppy that is in the powermac folder? |
| 16:52.19 | danw | micklweiss_lapto: that's oldworld. The sarge installer doesn't even try to make the system bootable. |
| 16:52.45 | danw | micklweiss_lapto: everything that is in the powermac folder? what? |
| 16:53.05 | chlunde | Hmm, is it around noon in the US now? |
| 16:53.20 | danw | 11:50 east cost |
| 16:53.32 | danw | 8:50 west cost |
| 16:53.35 | danw | bah |
| 16:53.35 | micklweiss_lapto | ok, my question was - to make the system boot from CD - what file(s) must i write to the floppy (via rawrite2) |
| 16:53.38 | danw | coast |
| 16:54.10 | danw | I don't know, I've never seen a pmac sarge cd. |
| 16:54.29 | danw | are you planning on doing a network install? |
| 16:54.34 | vash_ | anyone familiar with upgrading apple cpus? |
| 16:54.42 | micklweiss_lapto | well, thats what i got ;) 3 of them to be precise |
| 16:54.51 | micklweiss_lapto | danw: no |
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| 16:55.27 | micklweiss_lapto | i'm not wasting my bandwidth when i have the cds... i will just.... apt-get update what i need |
| 16:55.37 | danw | hang on, I'll see what I can find out for you |
| 16:55.43 | vash_ | anyone used a sonnet cpu upgrade with debian? |
| 16:55.48 | micklweiss_lapto | thanks |
| 16:57.13 | micklweiss_lapto | these are in the /install/powermac folder ->>>> boot.msg, ofboot.b, root.bin, trans.tbl, vmlinux, yaboot, yaboot.con |
| 16:57.57 | danw | micklweiss_lapto: it won't work at all. do you have the ability to boot into macos at all? |
| 16:58.20 | micklweiss_lapto | i'd have to install macos8 -- right now no |
| 16:58.49 | danw | http://ftp.penguinppc.org/projects/BootX/ <-- you'll need one of those |
| 16:59.27 | danw | ftp://ftp.usask.ca/pub/mirrors/apple/Macintosh/Utilities/ <-- grab the network access disk from here and see if you can boot using it |
| 17:00.05 | danw | then you put the vmlinux & root.bin images into the bootx folder, run bootx, specify root.bin as the ramdisk, and click the big linux button. |
| 17:00.38 | micklweiss_lapto | ok, i'll do that |
| 17:00.40 | micklweiss_lapto | thanks |
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| 17:01.55 | micklweiss_lapto | which boot_x do you think i should get |
| 17:01.57 | danw | micklweiss_lapto: note that the sarge installer will leave you in an unbootable state. |
| 17:02.04 | danw | the newest is fine. |
| 17:02.12 | micklweiss_lapto | then, get the woody iso? |
| 17:02.17 | micklweiss_lapto | ok |
| 17:02.29 | spacecowboy | wahoo |
| 17:02.31 | spacecowboy | wheeee |
| 17:02.36 | spacecowboy | @kernel |
| 17:02.37 | danw | micklweiss_lapto: if you are set on using the sarge one, that's fine too, but you need to spend time on it afterwards making it bootable |
| 17:02.58 | danw | micklweiss_lapto: you might have to do that anyway with woody, but woody at least TRIES to install an oldworld booter |
| 17:03.22 | micklweiss_lapto | oh ok |
| 17:03.25 | spacecowboy | ~hi |
| 17:03.27 | | hello, spacecowboy |
| 17:03.31 | spacecowboy | ~kernel |
| 17:03.35 | spacecowboy | ~+kernel |
| 17:05.30 | danw | 2.6.0-rc1 is out too |
| 17:07.42 | danw | er |
| 17:07.49 | danw | 2.6.1-rc1 |
| 17:11.11 | micklweiss_lapto | this isn't my day |
| 17:11.33 | danw | ? |
| 17:11.34 | micklweiss_lapto | it can't find the harddrive |
| 17:11.43 | danw | what can't? |
| 17:11.50 | danw | 7.5 network disk? |
| 17:11.59 | micklweiss_lapto | macos8 installer |
| 17:12.08 | danw | ide? |
| 17:12.23 | micklweiss_lapto | scsi i believe |
| 17:12.37 | danw | I don't know what to tell you. |
| 17:12.58 | danw | If it's not an official Apple drive, you might need to install custom drivers |
| 17:13.47 | micklweiss_lapto | http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac/stats/powermac_7600_132.html |
| 17:13.52 | micklweiss_lapto | it is afaik |
| 17:14.15 | danw | it is what? official or not? |
| 17:14.50 | micklweiss_lapto | its a quantum (i believe it is official) |
| 17:15.04 | micklweiss_lapto | never was changed since '96 |
| 17:15.23 | danw | well, I guess if it doesn't show up, you need to take the cover off and check the connectors |
| 17:15.42 | danw | unless you can run HD SC Setup or similar |
| 17:15.50 | danw | (off the Macos8 iso |
| 17:15.52 | danw | ) |
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| 17:16.53 | alessandro_ | somebody know if debian run better on a ibook g4 or on a powerbook g4? |
| 17:17.28 | danw | I would think that it would run better on whichever is the better machine |
| 17:18.00 | alessandro_ | powerbook? |
| 17:18.08 | jcm | in os x terminal, on what /dev/ can i see a firewire box plugged in ? and under Linux ? |
| 17:20.13 | micklweiss_lapto | all seems fine (just checked) |
| 17:20.40 | micklweiss_lapto | i love my powerbook |
| 17:21.01 | micklweiss_lapto | i don't need to put linux on it :) |
| 17:21.02 | sk1p | jcm: under linux it should be /dev/sdX, for example /dev/sda |
| 17:21.26 | sk1p | no idea about os x |
| 17:21.27 | micklweiss_lapto | macosx + fink = a sort but not really, debian clone |
| 17:21.32 | micklweiss_lapto | if ya know what i mean |
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| 17:22.38 | micklweiss_lapto | oh drive wasn't initialised |
| 17:22.43 | micklweiss_lapto | oops :) |
| 17:24.00 | micklweiss_lapto | is Maclink plus the appletalk / ethernet part of MacOS8? |
| 17:25.02 | micklweiss_lapto | oh well, either way its being installed now |
| 17:26.15 | micklweiss_lapto | i have another monitor connected to my p;owerbook - its sooo sweet |
| 17:26.43 | micklweiss_lapto | DVD on the 21 inch CRT while i work on the 15 inch LCD |
| 17:27.09 | danw | micklweiss_lapto: if you're planning on using the os8 install to install debian, I'd make it a minimal install |
| 17:27.40 | micklweiss_lapto | i only want debian on this - but i'm doing what you suggested |
| 17:28.23 | micklweiss_lapto | install macos8 first and then make a woody cd thats bootible |
| 17:28.39 | danw | there are no woody cds that are bootable |
| 17:28.43 | danw | not on oldworld anyway |
| 17:28.56 | micklweiss_lapto | i know, i mean via floppy |
| 17:29.11 | danw | okay, but if you do that, you don't need to install macos8 |
| 17:29.37 | danw | you only need a copy of macos on the machine if you're going to use bootx to boot the sarge kernel+ramdisk |
| 17:29.39 | micklweiss_lapto | ok then |
| 17:29.47 | micklweiss_lapto | maybe i misunderstood :/ |
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| 17:30.02 | micklweiss_lapto | thats what my plan was |
| 17:30.26 | micklweiss_lapto | oh - so then i *can* use the sarge installer |
| 17:30.31 | micklweiss_lapto | if i do that |
| 17:30.34 | micklweiss_lapto | oh ok |
| 17:30.56 | danw | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-powerpc/3.0.23-2002-05-21/powermac/images-1.44/ <-- 2 disk images you want if you're doing a woody install (cd or netinst - either way) |
| 17:30.57 | micklweiss_lapto | i'll do that then |
| 17:31.07 | danw | boot-floppy-hfs.img & root.bin |
| 17:31.14 | _who | has anyone here ever got an oldworld g3 to boot via quik? all I ever get is "DEFAULT CATCH ..." |
| 17:31.39 | danw | _who: the beige g3? or an oldworld upgraded to g3? |
| 17:31.48 | _who | beige g4 |
| 17:31.49 | _who | beige g3 |
| 17:31.49 | _who | * |
| 17:32.01 | nusse | i dont get my 7200 with g3 joecard to boot |
| 17:32.24 | _who | the disk is from a 7200, boot can't even boot via network orso |
| 17:32.38 | danw | _who: what is the root fs type? |
| 17:32.46 | danw | ext2? |
| 17:33.19 | _who | yeah |
| 17:33.29 | jcm | alsa-source on unstable is an old version (alsa site show a 1.0.0rc2); can i download directly the alsa driver from alsa site and replace files to compile the module ? or are there special changes for debian ? |
| 17:33.56 | danw | _who: http://penguinppc.org/projects/quik/quirks.shtml |
| 17:34.18 | _who | danw, I already tried those :-/ |
| 17:34.45 | danw | _who: you changed your load base? |
| 17:34.58 | _who | yeah |
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| 17:36.02 | danw | _who: you did run system disk? |
| 17:36.05 | micklweiss_lapto | holly shit, i just remembered... i have an old debian cd around for ppc |
| 17:36.13 | micklweiss_lapto | it might be potatoe though |
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| 17:36.28 | _who | danw, mm, checked it with printenv too |
| 17:38.45 | danw | http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2002/debian-powerpc-200207/msg00789.html |
| 17:39.44 | micklweiss_lapto | debian 2.2rev3 |
| 17:39.52 | micklweiss_lapto | was that potatoe? |
| 17:39.56 | danw | _who: if that doesn't help you, consider a small macos partition with the bootx _extension_ on it (it has a boot after 30 seconds thing) |
| 17:40.01 | danw | micklweiss_lapto: yes, potato. |
| 17:40.11 | micklweiss_lapto | would that work? |
| 17:40.20 | danw | micklweiss_lapto: I don't know. Probably |
| 17:40.31 | micklweiss_lapto | i'll try it out |
| 17:41.09 | _who | danw, didn't check the mail-archives, how stupid of me :-) well, I'll try it, thanks for the help |
| 17:42.07 | danw | good luck |
| 17:42.38 | spacecowboy | anyone have bens newest... |
| 17:42.44 | spacecowboy | 2.6.1-rc1-ben1 |
| 17:44.01 | micklweiss_lapto | i guess i'll get boot-floppy-hfs.img & root.bin and put the boot one in first with the first potatoe cd |
| 17:44.17 | micklweiss_lapto | it should theoretically boot right? |
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| 17:45.32 | danw | in theory, yes, but those images will be looking for woody, not potato, so you might end up nowhere. |
| 17:45.59 | danw | if you've got a nic and internet access on the mac, just use those two images and do a netinst. |
| 17:46.16 | micklweiss_lapto | oh so all i need are the 2 floppies? |
| 17:46.22 | danw | for a netinst? yes. |
| 17:46.32 | micklweiss_lapto | i'm on DSL and it has an onboard NIc |
| 17:46.57 | micklweiss_lapto | ok, i'll do that |
| 17:47.02 | danw | how's the dsl connect to your pc? |
| 17:47.06 | danw | through a router? |
| 17:47.07 | micklweiss_lapto | woohoo - a lot easier solution |
| 17:47.12 | micklweiss_lapto | ya |
| 17:47.18 | micklweiss_lapto | PPPoE |
| 17:47.24 | danw | then plug the mac into the router and you should be good to go. |
| 17:47.28 | micklweiss_lapto | Bellsouth to be exact |
| 17:47.37 | micklweiss_lapto | ok - cool |
| 17:47.49 | danw | I've got dsl->router, router -> 7 pcs |
| 17:48.06 | danw | one of the 7 is a pmac 4400 that I did a debian woody netinst on this morning. |
| 17:48.54 | danw | my biggest tip: when you're doing the base system install, be patient as the machine verifies the release data. It takes a bit. |
| 17:49.11 | micklweiss_lapto | i have 6 PCs + 3 Macs + 2 SPARCs |
| 17:49.59 | micklweiss_lapto | most x86s are FreeBSD or Debian there is one WinXP (its not mine - i swear it) |
| 17:50.40 | danw | yeah, I left my MacIIsi & my 6100 at my parents house. No sparc machines, simply because I have enough commodity x86 equipment to satisify my *nix needs. |
| 17:51.11 | micklweiss_lapto | no way |
| 17:51.25 | micklweiss_lapto | i have an LCII and a 6100/60 |
| 17:51.50 | micklweiss_lapto | ok not really a MacIIsi but close ;) |
| 17:52.14 | micklweiss_lapto | do you have linux running on the 6100? |
| 17:52.27 | micklweiss_lapto | that was my next project ;) |
| 17:52.27 | danw | my IIsi has a newbus 10-baseT, and the 6100 is a 6100/66-DOS compatable. |
| 17:52.42 | danw | No, no linux in the 6100 - the dos card isn't supported under linux afaik |
| 17:52.51 | micklweiss_lapto | oh ok |
| 17:54.26 | danw | I was going to put linux on the iisi, but it's only got 160mb of hd space, and it's good for running old 68k games like prince of persia, lemmings, etc. |
| 17:55.29 | simonrvn | hey |
| 17:59.56 | micklweiss_lapto | great i found a bug in rawrite |
| 18:00.17 | micklweiss_lapto | any long path will make rawrite2 quite |
| 18:00.42 | micklweiss_lapto | what hell this has been so far |
| 18:01.04 | micklweiss_lapto | atleast i have the source code to this, to atleast attempt to make a patch |
| 18:04.50 | micklweiss_lapto | there are always emulators... but there is nothing like the real thing i guess ;) |
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| 18:25.54 | pietvw | Howdy Ya'll... |
| 18:26.05 | pietvw | I'm still working on my BootX issue... |
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| 18:31.46 | pietvw | What is the difference between quik and BootX? |
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| 18:36.26 | pietvw | What is the difference between quik and BootX? |
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| 18:57.23 | jcm | i recompiled 2.4.23-ben1 with firewire support, rebooted, but i cannot see how to mount a firewire disk |
| 18:58.10 | jcm | it seems the plug does not furnish current to the disk as it's the case on an imac |
| 18:59.14 | sk1p | mount /dev/sdaX /mnt doesn't work? |
| 18:59.21 | sk1p | did you enable scsi disk support? |
| 19:03.07 | jcm | arg, no |
| 19:03.21 | jcm | let's recompile once more :-) |
| 19:04.16 | sk1p | have fun ;) |
| 19:04.32 | jcm | anyway it's compiled as module; i need to laod it |
| 19:04.38 | jcm | where are the available modules ? |
| 19:05.07 | jcm | modconf is broken, i can see no lines in it |
| 19:06.19 | sk1p | /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ |
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| 19:08.53 | simonrvn | jcm: mount as if it was a scsi device |
| 19:09.51 | jcm | why is the firewire plug not alimented ? the dd doesn't spin with my pwb under debian |
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| 19:14.16 | MrKennie | nice.. xfree core team have disbanded themselves as of today :P |
| 19:14.53 | jcm | simonrvn: in fact i have scsi support compiled ; what exactly would i need ? |
| 19:15.08 | simonrvn | just need to mount it now :) |
| 19:15.39 | jcm | i forgot to enable IEC61883, trying this |
| 19:15.51 | jcm | i cannot mount a disk which receives no current |
| 19:17.17 | jcm | i plug it onto an imac, the disk spins right; on my debian pwb, nothing |
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| 20:31.19 | LarstiQ | hello simonrvn :) |
| 20:31.39 | simonrvn | :) |
| 20:31.50 | chlunde | Damn noise :P |
| 20:32.16 | LarstiQ | noise? |
| 20:32.32 | LarstiQ | this is Machinea Supremacy! |
| 20:32.37 | chlunde | The fireworks (it's 21:32 here). |
| 20:32.41 | chlunde | Hehe :) |
| 20:33.01 | simonrvn | mpg123 -o alsa http://broadcast-station.de:8000/ |
| 20:33.32 | simonrvn | LarstiQ: whatchya listening to? |
| 20:33.33 | LarstiQ | chlunde: same here,but my music is looouder ;) |
| 20:33.38 | simonrvn | woohoo |
| 20:33.40 | LarstiQ | simonrvn: Machinae Supremacy |
| 20:33.48 | simonrvn | cd or something? |
| 20:33.54 | LarstiQ | oggs |
| 20:33.59 | simonrvn | :) |
| 20:34.06 | {xmb} | happy new yeah moo |
| 20:34.11 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:34.13 | LarstiQ | from machinaesupremacy.com |
| 20:35.01 | chlunde | I only like some of them, like gianna sisters and sidology ep. 3 |
| 20:35.14 | simonrvn | they have an all flash site... |
| 20:35.25 | LarstiQ | chlunde: heh, demo scener? ;) |
| 20:35.30 | LarstiQ | simonrvn: nah, also html |
| 20:35.32 | jaska_ | happy noob year, in advance. |
| 20:35.35 | simonrvn | oh ok |
| 20:35.41 | LarstiQ | happy new year for those who care |
| 20:35.52 | chlunde | LarstiQ: Sortof ;) |
| 20:35.54 | jaska | uff |
| 20:36.03 | jaska | stupid nickserv, i forgot my pass |
| 20:36.13 | jaska | ahh |
| 20:36.15 | simonrvn | #freenode |
| 20:36.16 | jaska | guessed it. |
| 20:36.19 | simonrvn | ok |
| 20:37.55 | jaska | grr. |
| 20:37.57 | jaska | -> |
| 20:38.42 | {xmb} | heh, s/yeah/year/ |
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| 21:17.10 | spacecowboy2 | where can i get 2.6.1-rc1-ben1 |
| 21:17.12 | spacecowboy2 | where can i get 2.6.1-rc-ben1 |
| 21:17.16 | spacecowboy2 | whoops :P |
| 21:19.08 | dude | rsync mvista ... ppc-2.5-benh |
| 21:19.26 | dude | as always |
| 21:19.48 | spacecowboy2 | nice |
| 21:28.57 | zorton | anyone use the nubus kernels on a 7100? |
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| 21:41.52 | drw | this is odd... on my PMac4400, no combination of vmode:,cmode: will result in anything other than 8-bit working properly in the FB, or X. If, on the other hand, I use bootx from MacOS 8 in millions of colours, with video=ofonly, X works flawlessly. |
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| 22:04.43 | simonrvn | drw: yes quik seems to ignore the vmode: cmode: stuff. or is it fbdev in 2.4.. cuz in 2.6.x it works ok ('obeys' the vmode: cmode: stuff) |
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| 22:14.24 | drw | simonrvn: no, quik was obeying it. it just seems that the drivers weren't initing the hardware properly |
| 22:14.34 | drw | when macos inits the hardware, it's dine |
| 22:14.35 | drw | fine |
| 22:14.43 | simonrvn | nods |
| 22:15.10 | drw | it's a PITA though. |
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| 22:18.03 | simonrvn | quite |
| 22:36.54 | vash_ | has anyone been able to build a vanilla 2.6.0? |
| 22:37.07 | vash_ | i keep getting errors in swim3.o that causes it to fail |
| 22:37.23 | Tartarus | that's right |
| 22:37.28 | simonrvn | vash_: patch it |
| 22:37.39 | simonrvn | or use benh's rysnc |
| 22:38.03 | vash_ | so the stock 2.6.0 kernel has this problem? |
| 22:38.07 | Tartarus | yes |
| 22:38.10 | vash_ | what about the pre11 in debian unstable? |
| 22:38.18 | simonrvn | same, i think |
| 22:38.25 | vash_ | how would i go about patching it? |
| 22:38.30 | simonrvn | though they might have patched it.. |
| 22:38.40 | simonrvn | go find the patch on LKML |
| 22:38.56 | simonrvn | apt-get install patch; run patch with the diff |
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| 22:40.30 | spacecowboy | howdy folks |
| 22:44.58 | *** topic/#debianppc by spacecowboy -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test || Install Debian on new (2003) PowerMacs with XFS:http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/XFS-debian-README.txt || yaboot 1.3.11 released || Cisco VPN and Linux/PPC works! - http://www.goelug.de/texte/vpnc.en.html || http://dri.freedesktop.org/~daenzer/debian/dri-trunk-sid/ || XFS merged in 2.4.24-prei* || 2.6.0 is out, but rsync -avz source.mvista.com::linuxppc-2.5-benh cause... well ben' |
| 22:45.31 | *** topic/#debianppc by spacecowboy -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test || Install Debian on new (2003) PowerMacs with XFS:http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/XFS-debian-README.txt || yaboot 1.3.11 released || Cisco VPN and Linux/PPC works! - http://www.goelug.de/texte/vpnc.en.html || http://dri.freedesktop.org/~daenzer/debian/dri-trunk-sid/ || XFS merged in 2.4.24-pre* || 2.6.0 is out, but rsync -avz source.mvista.com::linuxppc-2.5-benh - currently 2.6.1- |
| 22:45.57 | *** topic/#debianppc by spacecowboy -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test || Install Debian on new (2003) PowerMacs with XFS:http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/XFS-debian-README.txt || yaboot 1.3.11 released || Cisco VPN and Linux/PPC works! - http://www.goelug.de/texte/vpnc.en.html || http://dri.freedesktop.org/~daenzer/debian/dri-trunk-sid/ || rsync -avz source.mvista.com::linuxppc-2.5-benh - currently 2.6.1-rc1-ben1. |
| 22:46.08 | spacecowboy | NOYCE |
| 22:46.11 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 22:46.11 | simonrvn | hi |
| 22:46.16 | spacecowboy | simonrvn: lol |
| 22:46.18 | spacecowboy | simonrvn: hey |
| 22:46.29 | simonrvn | mer déc 31 22:46:29 UTC 2003 |
| 22:46.52 | spacecowboy | ? |
| 22:47.35 | simonrvn | some parts of the world celebrate something called new year's |
| 22:47.38 | simonrvn | :P |
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| 22:48.08 | zorton | I just goa 7100 fired up with teh nubus kernels |
| 22:48.17 | zorton | however when I boot witht eboot floppy it works fine |
| 22:48.38 | zorton | but the regular kernel that I got from http://nubus-pmac.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:48.47 | zorton | won't let me type when I boot it |
| 22:50.00 | simonrvn | www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/keycodes |
| 22:50.04 | simonrvn | zorton: ^ |
| 22:50.36 | zorton | so the older install kernel must have been using the old input layer and this kernel that I downloaded is using the new version? |
| 22:50.51 | simonrvn | probably, chances are yes |
| 22:51.06 | zorton | so appending keyboard_sends_linux_keycodes=1 should do it:? |
| 22:51.14 | simonrvn | should work |
| 22:52.29 | zorton | that did it |
| 22:52.53 | simonrvn | :) |
| 22:59.14 | vash_ | found the fix |
| 22:59.19 | vash_ | CONFIG_MAC_FLOPPY=n |
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| 23:00.28 | zorton | kinda slow disk io with these older drives :) |
| 23:02.31 | vash_ | i'm wondering how new i could install on this g3 |
| 23:02.41 | simonrvn | with a cd |
| 23:02.42 | vash_ | could i install a 120giger? |
| 23:02.53 | simonrvn | yes.. |
| 23:03.03 | vash_ | what about the openfirmware stuff? |
| 23:03.14 | vash_ | how would i go about upgrading that? i've completely wiped os 8.6 |
| 23:05.03 | zorton | vash_: the next ansers depend on the openfirmware version, check out http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/models.html |
| 23:05.17 | zorton | find your openfirmware version |
| 23:06.00 | vash_ | is there anything i could do under debian to determine my openfirmware ver? |
| 23:06.06 | vash_ | could i upgrade it under debian? |
| 23:06.16 | zorton | haven't heard of anyone upgrading it |
| 23:06.34 | zorton | check out that page, another way isto accualy get into openfirmware and check the version that way |
| 23:06.38 | zorton | best way is to check that page |
| 23:09.34 | simonrvn | vash_: why would putting a 120 GB drive make you need to do anything to OF? |
| 23:10.14 | vash_ | perhaps a limitation of the firmware size? |
| 23:10.19 | vash_ | i come from PCs |
| 23:10.25 | vash_ | its been a hassle before |
| 23:13.04 | simonrvn | no such issue |
| 23:14.52 | simonrvn | OF isn't a kludge. it's especially buggy in apple's "implementation", esp. earlier versions |
| 23:15.07 | simonrvn | but otherwise works well enough |
| 23:15.41 | vash_ | do you have any exp with uprgading the CPUs? |
| 23:15.51 | vash_ | i have a "blue and white" G3 @400Mhz |
| 23:15.53 | simonrvn | depends on the machine |
| 23:16.03 | simonrvn | you need a ZIF type upgrade IIRC |
| 23:16.08 | vash_ | a few zif upgrades look like i can use |
| 23:16.11 | vash_ | xlr8 |
| 23:16.13 | vash_ | sonnet |
| 23:16.14 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:16.18 | vash_ | 550mhz looks max |
| 23:16.26 | vash_ | but with 1mb of cache! |
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| 23:16.47 | simonrvn | i have off-cpu l2 cache of 512k. does wonders |
| 23:17.02 | simonrvn | 1 mb would be nice ;) |
| 23:17.03 | vash_ | would a 550 be enough for osx? |
| 23:17.22 | simonrvn | you can run a g3, but you need loads of ram. osx is a ram hog |
| 23:17.40 | vash_ | ah |
| 23:17.42 | simonrvn | 128 mb *BARE* mininum... |
| 23:17.46 | vash_ | the 128 meg gonna need mucho more |
| 23:17.53 | vash_ | well, i wanted to slap in 512, to make 640 |
| 23:17.56 | simonrvn | even 256 is iffy |
| 23:18.02 | simonrvn | yeh that would do it |
| 23:18.02 | vash_ | should help a bit with either osx or X |
| 23:18.35 | simonrvn | i need a 128 mb stick or two - this thing is also a server, i want to minimise swapping |
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| 23:47.00 | zorton | i'm using 347megs of memory just with a few webbrosswers loaded |
| 23:47.15 | dondelelcaro | unused memory is wasted memory. |
| 23:47.26 | zorton | 421megs unused |
| 23:47.29 | zorton | although I use it all sometimes |