| 00:00.14 | simonrvn | phew, i don't have to do anything funky to get the postgres db to work... spent all fucking night on it last night (first time i had to do a manual upgrade) |
| 00:00.18 | mojo | ok thanks, 3 times right? |
| 00:00.27 | simonrvn | 3 is a charm |
| 00:00.39 | simonrvn | and practical |
| 00:01.00 | mojo | ? |
| 00:02.02 | simonrvn | those last 2 were to you |
| 00:02.16 | MrKennie | simonrvn: not as far as I'm personally aware.. |
| 00:02.33 | MrKennie | just.. run it :) |
| 00:02.40 | MrKennie | unless you're upgrading |
| 00:04.00 | simonrvn | MrKennie: well, the auto upgrade failed, cuz i ran out of drive space on that partition |
| 00:04.10 | MrKennie | ouch |
| 00:04.34 | simonrvn | i need to make a /var/lib partition |
| 00:05.17 | simonrvn | but once i have all the dbs in place, i can go to init 1, and do that |
| 00:05.52 | simonrvn | (then i gotta figure out which partition i'm going to use for shares...) |
| 00:05.54 | MrKennie | the pgsql docs are pretty good where upgrading is concerned.. manually at least. |
| 00:06.15 | MrKennie | I did it once.. its fairly simple. |
| 00:06.17 | simonrvn | yeh i followed them, took some time, but it's upgrading as we speak ;) |
| 00:06.54 | simonrvn | my biggest db is snort's... ergh |
| 00:07.10 | MrKennie | since I got rooted and didn.t trust anything I had installed and wiped the lot.. |
| 00:07.22 | simonrvn | ouch |
| 00:07.34 | MrKennie | I just wanted to be sure |
| 00:07.41 | simonrvn | of course |
| 00:07.57 | {xmb} | need a small md5 checking script for the future? |
| 00:08.06 | MrKennie | actually.. I found out that it wasn't that box that got rooted |
| 00:08.17 | MrKennie | I was playing with *cough* gentoo |
| 00:08.25 | MrKennie | on my main box |
| 00:08.31 | mojo | evil one! |
| 00:08.31 | simonrvn | well, i think you did the right thing anyway |
| 00:08.34 | MrKennie | hehe |
| 00:08.43 | MrKennie | it was weird |
| 00:09.02 | MrKennie | cos when I had gentoo installed I couldn't list anything in my /home partition |
| 00:09.08 | MrKennie | ls segfaulted |
| 00:09.15 | simonrvn | eew |
| 00:09.36 | MrKennie | then i ran chkrootkit on my server which spewed something about an lkm thing |
| 00:09.40 | zorton | that's cool when ls segfaults |
| 00:09.48 | MrKennie | then discovered it was a chkrootkit bug |
| 00:10.05 | simonrvn | yeh it got fixed in recent psmisc |
| 00:10.10 | MrKennie | after I had wiped it.. but in any case, I wasn't taking any risks |
| 00:10.17 | mojo | execlent... reading .... os9.1 cd..... puurrrr |
| 00:10.22 | {xmb} | chkrootkit isnt worth much anyway |
| 00:10.36 | simonrvn | it'S useful for what it does |
| 00:10.43 | simonrvn | if you have a recent one |
| 00:10.58 | {xmb} | just mass scans of the most public rk's |
| 00:11.00 | MrKennie | I have been partly making a systme integrity thing with perl |
| 00:11.16 | {xmb} | i remember trying it out once on my imac, like 3/4 year ago |
| 00:11.20 | MrKennie | I started |
| 00:11.22 | {xmb} | then it wiped a bit part of the HD for some reason |
| 00:11.25 | {xmb} | s/bit/big |
| 00:11.31 | simonrvn | i just run snort, aide, logcheck, and implementing a tripwire/aide duality |
| 00:11.31 | MrKennie | ow |
| 00:11.44 | bighawk | simonrvn: on a multi-user machine i assume? |
| 00:11.47 | MrKennie | simonrvn: I cant get aide to run |
| 00:11.52 | simonrvn | yes |
| 00:11.53 | MrKennie | that segfaults |
| 00:11.54 | sourdough | heh |
| 00:12.01 | MrKennie | tripwire wont compile |
| 00:12.06 | bighawk | simonrvn: would you run the same set on a single user desktop? |
| 00:12.08 | simonrvn | not many, but it runs nonetheless |
| 00:12.14 | sourdough | probably because of thier compiling everything including kernel with -O999999999999999999999999999 |
| 00:12.17 | MrKennie | so I started making my own thing |
| 00:12.29 | simonrvn | i'd run an ids but another one, more suited to massive changes |
| 00:12.59 | {xmb} | grsec patched kernel does good too |
| 00:13.06 | simonrvn | logcheck as a minimum, and another (they are several out there ;) |
| 00:13.08 | MrKennie | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.21 | MrKennie | and I log to remote boxen |
| 00:13.33 | MrKennie | on my lan |
| 00:14.15 | MrKennie | what confused me is how that got in... if anyone did at all |
| 00:14.36 | MrKennie | mail server was seemingly untouched.. the firewall box was ticking away as usual |
| 00:15.12 | simonrvn | yay, finished |
| 00:15.34 | MrKennie | the firewall box is pretty useless if they did get in |
| 00:15.54 | MrKennie | kernel runs gres in its highest mode |
| 00:15.54 | bighawk | anyway, tripwire/aide whatever is completely worthless if you dont have an external host to store the information write-once/read-only on. |
| 00:15.56 | simonrvn | yeh no kidding |
| 00:16.08 | MrKennie | only one account and it has gradm installed |
| 00:16.42 | simonrvn | the tripwire/aide combo is an excellent idea: you set up tripwire to mamange *only* aide's db files, and aide does the grunt work. |
| 00:16.43 | MrKennie | I forgot the password to that once |
| 00:16.51 | simonrvn | ouch |
| 00:17.08 | MrKennie | I was going to use aide with a read only floppy |
| 00:17.16 | simonrvn | (plus aide binaries, and tripwire's) |
| 00:17.35 | MrKennie | I used tripwier a good while ago |
| 00:17.54 | MrKennie | I used a read only floppy disk then.. that box died in the end |
| 00:18.05 | simonrvn | it's a fucking huge PITA... and really resource sucking, but managing only a few files, that becomes easy |
| 00:19.22 | simonrvn | tripwire uses encryption, aide doesn't - so having aide's stuff watched by tripwire it's like the best of both: speed minimal resource use, and the strong encryption that tripwire provides |
| 00:19.38 | bighawk | simonrvn: anyway, you would be surprised how many people misuse tripwire |
| 00:19.42 | MrKennie | anyway.. the server box is up and running, with grsec but still lacking some sort of working ids |
| 00:19.56 | bighawk | simonrvn: storing the tripwire data files on the same host. |
| 00:20.07 | simonrvn | bighawk: that does not concern me. if i use it properly, that does not matter |
| 00:20.08 | bighawk | simonrvn: and having the "illusion" that they are safe |
| 00:20.16 | MrKennie | read only floppy or cdr wouldn't matter |
| 00:20.32 | bighawk | simonrvn: of course, i'm not saying it to you specifically, it's just a general statement :) |
| 00:20.36 | simonrvn | :) |
| 00:20.51 | mojo | ok how do i recrate my partition table for this mac with os9.1 disk? |
| 00:21.24 | MrKennie | with the disk tool thingy? |
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| 00:21.35 | simonrvn | you need mac driver partitions? |
| 00:21.43 | MrKennie | cant remember wha its called |
| 00:21.43 | mojo | disk first aid or drive setup? |
| 00:21.48 | simonrvn | drive setup |
| 00:21.48 | MrKennie | drive setup |
| 00:21.51 | mojo | ok |
| 00:21.55 | MrKennie | heh |
| 00:21.56 | MrKennie | :) |
| 00:22.00 | mojo | ya i need to take off the linux partitions |
| 00:22.00 | simonrvn | wee |
| 00:22.01 | bighawk | simonrvn: it gives people a false sense of security which is worse than having no security and being aware of that. |
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| 00:22.36 | simonrvn | i'm paranoid, i have no such sense of security ;) |
| 00:23.16 | MrKennie | good to e paranoid where security is concerned |
| 00:23.29 | MrKennie | I think so anyway |
| 00:23.39 | mojo | should i use mac os extended or standerd? |
| 00:23.42 | simonrvn | i'm lucky i haven't had a break-in yet |
| 00:24.00 | sourdough | mojo extended is a better hfs, for hfs.. |
| 00:24.02 | sourdough | both are crap |
| 00:24.07 | mojo | pl |
| 00:24.08 | mojo | ok |
| 00:24.11 | bighawk | simonrvn: s/having had a break-in yet/didnt detect a break-in yet/ |
| 00:24.22 | sourdough | mojo going to make it a macos box again? |
| 00:24.24 | simonrvn | i know my system |
| 00:24.39 | mojo | im going to get os9.1 installed again so i can make sure i setup linux better next time around |
| 00:24.42 | MrKennie | famous last words.. :) |
| 00:24.47 | simonrvn | better than the back of my hand |
| 00:24.54 | bighawk | simonrvn: so do many very skilled and security aware system administrators who'se systems still got compromised |
| 00:25.03 | bighawk | simonrvn: it's a dangerous thing to say |
| 00:25.17 | simonrvn | that's why i said "haven't had a break-in yet" i'm quite aware of that |
| 00:25.48 | simonrvn | sooner or later i'm going to have one... all i can do is forestall it |
| 00:26.23 | bighawk | good attitude |
| 00:26.40 | bighawk | "If you want peace, you better be prepared for war"-attitude |
| 00:26.42 | simonrvn | only reasonable one i can have, i think |
| 00:26.57 | simonrvn | exactly. sucks, but it's true. |
| 00:27.20 | simonrvn | part of me wants the world to be perfect, but i know from my life experiences it isn't. |
| 00:27.47 | bighawk | as long as you're prepared on how to handle the imperfect :) |
| 00:27.56 | simonrvn | bingo :) |
| 00:28.11 | bighawk | it's just planning |
| 00:28.22 | simonrvn | a sword in one hand, and a feather in the other |
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| 00:39.19 | mojo | yaa os9 installing |
| 00:53.22 | simonrvn | heh |
| 00:54.27 | sourdough | simonrvn you ever get a 2.6 smaller then 4MB ? |
| 00:54.45 | simonrvn | benh fixed that issue with quik. so it doesn't matter anymore :) |
| 00:55.22 | simonrvn | i brought it up with him, and he said he fixed quik to allow for larger images |
| 00:55.29 | MrKennie | 4mb? is it really getting that big? |
| 00:55.40 | simonrvn | yes. i have xfs compiled in |
| 00:55.42 | sourdough | oh he did |
| 00:56.03 | simonrvn | as you can imagine, i was very thankful :) |
| 00:57.33 | MrKennie | I b0rked yaboot.conf earlier and had to manually tell it what kernel to load.. never knew it could be done, its great that it does! |
| 00:57.42 | MrKennie | at the yaboot prompt |
| 00:58.01 | sourdough | yeah nobody ever seems to get it that you can load kernels manually |
| 00:58.40 | MrKennie | got me out of trouble I can tell ya |
| 00:58.45 | simonrvn | you can do it with quik too (i think), but it's very opaque syntax |
| 00:59.25 | simonrvn | yaboot tends to seperate you from having to interact with OF much - at leats when it come to loading kernels |
| 01:00.30 | mojo | if i was to keep this os 9.1 install, what kind of programs should i get for it to make it run well and keep it in good shape? |
| 01:00.32 | MrKennie | yea.. as long as you dont have mistakes with device and partition |
| 01:00.39 | MrKennie | I think |
| 01:00.42 | sourdough | simonrvn it doesn't work as well with quik |
| 01:01.03 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 01:01.06 | sourdough | simple filenames in quik works |
| 01:01.10 | simonrvn | quik tends to barf |
| 01:01.12 | farruinn | mojo: probably Norton Utilities |
| 01:01.16 | sourdough | but soon as you need to specify the device it breaks down |
| 01:01.27 | simonrvn | tell me about it... |
| 01:01.52 | mojo | hrm wondering if norton utils will work between mac and windows |
| 01:02.12 | sourdough | mojo nope, two different products |
| 01:02.31 | mojo | well take the fun out of my life :) |
| 01:03.59 | MrKennie | I never liked norton utilities |
| 01:04.15 | MrKennie | it was just more bloat on already bloated software |
| 01:04.19 | mojo | what did you like? im not going to be doing much with this box |
| 01:04.38 | MrKennie | installing Linux on anything I get my hands on :) |
| 01:04.45 | sourdough | i don't like the concept of having to pay for a 3rd party proprietary fsck that works |
| 01:04.50 | mojo | hehe |
| 01:05.07 | mojo | does mac not have one? |
| 01:05.31 | farruinn | it does, but norton does some other stuff as well |
| 01:07.07 | farruinn | I don't use my mac os partition much anyway though |
| 01:07.10 | sourdough | mojo os9 has disk first aid which cna't repair anything |
| 01:07.20 | farruinn | it's just painful going to anything besides linux |
| 01:07.23 | sourdough | osx has fsck_hfs which is as cripped as disk first aid |
| 01:07.50 | sourdough | tiny tribvial things it can reapir |
| 01:07.50 | sourdough | trivial errors it cannot |
| 01:09.09 | mojo | sourdough so norton is needed pretty badly? |
| 01:10.00 | sourdough | depends |
| 01:10.13 | sourdough | if you don't care that corrupte fs is not really reocverable with apple tools then no |
| 01:10.13 | mojo | what is better? |
| 01:10.25 | sourdough | later norton versions sucked anyway |
| 01:10.25 | sourdough | dunno if they ever fixed it |
| 01:10.53 | mojo | i just wnat a pretty basic machine, put debian on there cause i figured it would be fun, going to play with it more, just for now i just want a working mac to toss in my living room |
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| 01:16.40 | sourdough | i wouldn't run oout and buy norton then |
| 01:17.01 | mojo | ok |
| 01:22.02 | mojo | hrm i got to find the stufit expander some where on line? |
| 01:29.52 | sourdough | os9 ships with it |
| 01:29.59 | mojo | i thought it did |
| 01:30.18 | sourdough | getting it online is a problem, since you need stuffit expander to extract sutffit expander |
| 01:30.22 | mojo | i downloaded adobe acrobat reader though and it extracts the program then says some weird error |
| 01:30.29 | mojo | thats screwy |
| 01:30.42 | sourdough | oror at least some debinhexor for the self extracting one |
| 01:30.57 | MrKennie | I remember they did that with rar a while back.. |
| 01:31.03 | sourdough | acrobloat |
| 01:31.12 | sourdough | i remmeber that piece of crap |
| 01:31.22 | sourdough | it mallocs all your memory then crashes macos |
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| 01:32.17 | MrKennie | xfce4 is looking slick on the mac now :) |
| 01:33.55 | mojo | anything better for to read pdf files with? |
| 01:33.58 | xLobeznox | what does slick mean? |
| 01:34.15 | MrKennie | slick |
| 01:34.22 | xLobeznox | yes |
| 01:35.40 | MrKennie | smooth, glossy, sexy, nice, pretty |
| 01:35.44 | MrKennie | :) |
| 01:36.34 | mojo | lol i like that, its not my fault you installed software that suggests you restart your computer |
| 01:52.36 | sourdough | mojo not on macos |
| 01:54.22 | xLobeznox | ok |
| 01:56.15 | mojo | thas what it told me :P |
| 01:56.16 | mojo | eheh |
| 01:56.54 | sourdough | mojo what did? |
| 01:57.01 | mojo | my mac |
| 01:57.33 | sourdough | never saw a message like that |
| 01:57.44 | mojo | didnt say it, it acually spoke it |
| 01:58.21 | mojo | hehe me either |
| 01:58.26 | mojo | thats why i want linux on there |
| 01:59.04 | sourdough | need some OF fixes |
| 01:59.16 | sourdough | probably a forth driver for the scsi card |
| 01:59.26 | mojo | i had 183 day uptime on one of my debian box's running unstable.. updated once a day ehhe |
| 01:59.36 | mojo | for my mac? |
| 02:00.04 | sourdough | yup |
| 02:00.26 | mojo | where would i check? |
| 02:01.52 | sourdough | none exist yet |
| 02:01.52 | sourdough | need to write them |
| 02:02.17 | mojo | oh for my mac? |
| 02:02.23 | mojo | in linux |
| 02:02.25 | mojo | eej |
| 02:02.34 | mojo | i tryed writing my own drivers once, it flopped bad ehhe |
| 02:02.45 | sourdough | yup |
| 02:02.45 | sourdough | no |
| 02:02.45 | sourdough | nvramrc |
| 02:03.35 | sourdough | OF forth drivers are usually fairly simple |
| 02:12.22 | mojo | is there anything special that needs to be done to read iso9660? |
| 02:12.57 | sourdough | mount -t iso9660 |
| 02:13.04 | mojo | ment for os9 |
| 02:13.36 | sourdough | dunno |
| 02:13.36 | sourdough | probably not |
| 02:13.36 | sourdough | stick one in |
| 02:13.36 | sourdough | if it appears it worked |
| 02:13.48 | sourdough | if not your screwed |
| 02:13.51 | mojo | nope thats the weird part |
| 02:14.13 | MrKennie | perhaps you're missing some extension ? |
| 02:15.00 | myXtie | maybe you need to reboot hehe |
| 02:15.28 | mojo | what extension would it be? its jsut a cd i burned of some files im going to put on there |
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| 02:17.41 | xypher | hello |
| 02:17.54 | xypher | is anyone here running GNOME2.5ish? |
| 02:19.21 | mojo | i dont sorry.. |
| 02:19.26 | xypher | argh lol |
| 02:19.35 | xypher | i spent a long time compiling the new garnome |
| 02:19.41 | xypher | and hacking it to make it work ;) |
| 02:19.45 | xypher | and i start it up |
| 02:19.52 | xypher | and nautilus flops without even starting |
| 02:20.52 | myXtie | sorry need nautilus recumbent bike to generate enough power for gnome 2.5 gui shell |
| 02:21.07 | spacecowboy | hey rod |
| 02:21.25 | xypher | heh |
| 02:21.41 | myXtie | hey spacecowboy |
| 02:23.23 | xypher | thanks anw... |
| 02:30.33 | mojo | weird, im suprised i cant access this disk |
| 02:30.52 | sourdough | ive mounted iso9660/rockridge on macos before |
| 02:31.05 | sourdough | loooong aog |
| 02:31.18 | mojo | i know, thats why i dont know why its not working |
| 02:31.24 | mojo | i did it before with this very same disk |
| 02:31.58 | sourdough | maybe you didn't instlal cdrom drivers |
| 02:32.17 | mojo | well it read the os9 disk when it booted up the first time after i installed everything |
| 02:32.28 | sourdough | thats because those have driver partitions |
| 02:32.37 | sourdough | which are loaded by the rom at boot if its in the drive already |
| 02:32.48 | sourdough | but they don't include iso fs drivers |
| 02:32.51 | mojo | ok so i should pop it in and install it or what? |
| 02:33.49 | mojo | can i find it online? |
| 02:34.16 | sourdough | apple ships cdrom drivers with macos |
| 02:34.17 | sourdough | and has for years |
| 02:34.23 | sourdough | those drivers include iso support |
| 02:34.28 | sourdough | have since at least system 7 |
| 02:34.39 | mojo | ok, so i just need to isntall them from the cd |
| 02:37.30 | MrKennie | mojo: easiest way is to run the installer on the mac os cd and then choose what you want to add... failing that search google. :) |
| 02:38.45 | mojo | ehe if i can get the installer up :) |
| 02:45.37 | mojo | hrm |
| 02:45.44 | mojo | cant select to boot off of cd yet... |
| 02:46.03 | mojo | but it wont bring up the os9.1 disk either when it boots up in to macos |
| 02:47.53 | sourdough | hold down the C key |
| 02:48.05 | sourdough | just having the disk in at boot shoiuld get it mounted anyway |
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| 02:49.18 | mojo | its in there |
| 02:50.48 | mojo | goign to try a cold boot |
| 02:54.02 | mojo | its cmd+opt+p+r for pram right? |
| 02:54.53 | sourdough | yup |
| 02:55.39 | mojo | going to see if it was something weird with this box and not allowing it to work with out pram being cleared |
| 02:56.24 | sourdough | macos stores all sorts of shit in nvram, and behaves badly when it gets corrupted |
| 02:56.27 | sourdough | which it does all the time |
| 02:57.15 | MrKennie | like monitor geometries :/ |
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| 02:58.20 | sourdough | MrKennie bunch of finder preferences too |
| 02:58.39 | MrKennie | ew |
| 02:58.57 | MrKennie | why qould it store things like that |
| 02:58.58 | sourdough | probably leftover from back when booting from floppy was common, and little space was available there |
| 03:01.19 | MrKennie | welp.. 5 x86 and 3 PPC, I need to get my hands on a Sparc or something next I think |
| 03:02.24 | MrKennie | maybe my boss will let me have his old pda so Ican slap linux on that too |
| 03:02.42 | MrKennie | tho thats not as easy as it sounds |
| 03:02.50 | MrKennie | it has been done tho |
| 03:02.50 | sourdough | heh |
| 03:02.57 | sourdough | i want a sparc |
| 03:02.59 | MrKennie | on this particular one.. |
| 03:03.12 | MrKennie | I love having different archs |
| 03:03.27 | MrKennie | PPC has most appealed to me so far |
| 03:03.58 | MrKennie | x86 is just everywhere and boring |
| 03:04.25 | sourdough | yes |
| 03:05.24 | mojo | thats weird |
| 03:05.29 | mojo | mac just shut down on its own eheh |
| 03:06.09 | MrKennie | mojo: it wants linux back.. its screaming for it but you wont listen so it just halts.. |
| 03:06.51 | mojo | it didnt like linux |
| 03:07.10 | MrKennie | set your hardware free!! |
| 03:07.26 | mojo | ehhe i just want it to read cd's |
| 03:07.49 | sourdough | maybe you broke it.. |
| 03:08.22 | mojo | no.. |
| 03:11.35 | mojo | going to go look around |
| 03:12.28 | MrKennie | I'm going to take a screenshot of my mac when its finished.. waiting for xine to build and a few other bits to tweak |
| 03:25.08 | mojo | hrm im not finding anything on getting this to read this cd.. any ideas? |
| 03:26.09 | mojo | can mac os9 automatically do unzip? |
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| 03:34.21 | sourdough | mojo heh doubt it |
| 03:50.57 | mojo | decided to put the files up on my webserver :P |
| 03:54.53 | sourdough | who says macos is easy to use/administer |
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| 03:59.33 | mojo | i dont know, who ever it was im going to shoot them |
| 03:59.58 | mojo | i find most os's (besides linux) to be more of a headache than they are worth.. windows is the main one, macos is becoming one |
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| 04:01.25 | vash | when using make-kpkg, do i need to worry about make-kpkg dealing with yaboot? |
| 04:02.23 | mojo | are there any optical mice that i can get for my mac? |
| 04:02.49 | sourdough | vash it doesn't deal with yaboot |
| 04:03.01 | sourdough | vash other then printing some very silly messages about it occasionally |
| 04:03.18 | vash | when i used make-kpkg and deb -i kernel-... and rebooted, my system was stuck in openfirmware |
| 04:03.32 | sourdough | vash it will take care of rotating vmlinux symlinks for you, so long as your yaboot.conf is et to use the symlinks it will work |
| 04:03.41 | sourdough | vash OF, or Yaboot |
| 04:03.50 | vash | pl |
| 04:03.51 | vash | ok |
| 04:03.57 | vash | so just run make-kpkg |
| 04:04.01 | sourdough | you should always check that state of boot stuff before rebooting |
| 04:04.04 | vash | deb -i kernel... deb |
| 04:04.07 | vash | then i can reboot? |
| 04:04.11 | sourdough | no |
| 04:04.17 | vash | i did that and when i rebooted, i was in openfirmware |
| 04:04.19 | sourdough | you need to check that symlinks are correct |
| 04:04.22 | sourdough | and that yaboot.conf is correct |
| 04:04.23 | sourdough | always |
| 04:04.25 | sourdough | if it is then reboot |
| 04:04.27 | vash | then symlinks were correct |
| 04:04.32 | vash | the file existed |
| 04:04.37 | vash | the symlink was correct |
| 04:04.49 | vash | but when i selected either my old kernel or Linux, it crashed |
| 04:05.05 | sourdough | did you have a vmlinux.old |
| 04:05.19 | vash | at the time, yes |
| 04:05.30 | sourdough | well i would need more info |
| 04:05.35 | vash | ok |
| 04:05.35 | sourdough | `it crashed' is useless |
| 04:05.47 | vash | i am building the kernel now |
| 04:05.57 | vash | let me know what kind of info you'll need before i try to reboot |
| 04:06.39 | sourdough | i need to see /etc/yaboot.conf |
| 04:06.51 | sourdough | and ls -l output of all image= line values |
| 04:07.03 | sourdough | and output of mkofboot -f |
| 04:07.09 | vash | do you want that after i dpkg -i the kernel, or before? |
| 04:07.56 | sourdough | after |
| 04:08.25 | sourdough | make-kpkg is helpful in maintaing kernle installs but you can NEVER EVER trust it to always do the right thing and leave the box bootable |
| 04:17.13 | vash | sourdough: i am running dpkg -i kernel-image... .deb now |
| 04:27.36 | sourdough | hmm, i guess a 2.6 compatible ofpath will have to wait till sarge releases since 2.6 won't build with woody binutils |
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| 06:06.22 | dondelelcaro | does someone know how to access the wake at a specific time part of the pmu? |
| 06:08.38 | sourdough | probably no one |
| 06:09.21 | dondelelcaro | hrm... bummer. |
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| 06:13.34 | dondelelcaro | sourdough: any idea where some documentation of the pmu is? or is it a trial and error sort of thing? |
| 06:17.58 | sourdough | dondelelcaro hehehe |
| 06:18.09 | sourdough | there is no documentation |
| 06:18.18 | sourdough | its proprietary apple tech |
| 06:18.30 | sourdough | everything we do with it we do by reverse engineering |
| 06:18.52 | sourdough | benh might know about the wake-at-time stuff, not sure |
| 06:19.18 | sourdough | he has to know about boot-at-time stuff since such things need to be set on shutdown otherwise the pmu would happily reboot immediatly |
| 06:20.02 | dondelelcaro | hrm... |
| 06:20.09 | dondelelcaro | guess I'll hunt around abit... |
| 06:20.16 | dondelelcaro | pmu.h in pmud is kind of funny... |
| 06:20.25 | dondelelcaro | there are exactly two commands known... ;-) |
| 06:23.54 | sourdough | yeah, we don't know nearly enough |
| 06:24.05 | sourdough | but still do pretty well given zero help from apple |
| 06:26.33 | dondelelcaro | too bad I don't know enough ppc asm to track what the control panel does to the pmu... |
| 06:28.24 | sourdough | look at kernel source, you can probably learn a bit there, at least as much as we know about it |
| 06:29.14 | dondelelcaro | yeah, been checking them out... |
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| 07:29.30 | dondelelcaro | hrm... benh doesn't know either... but said that he might check out the calls made... |
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| 10:21.39 | jnansi | hi all |
| 10:22.00 | jnansi | ne1 tried installing debian on the newest 12" iBookG4 ? |
| 10:22.18 | jnansi | specially the X part? |
| 10:22.46 | sourdough | many |
| 10:23.14 | sourdough | basically you need unstable, non-released devel snapshots of X for it to work |
| 10:23.20 | sourdough | or else use slow framebuffer mode |
| 10:23.38 | jnansi | u mean 4.4.0 rc2? |
| 10:24.04 | jnansi | i d/l it but hav not configged it yet |
| 10:24.13 | jnansi | ne pointers for how to go abt it? |
| 10:24.50 | sourdough | there are dri trunk packages somewhere which supposedly have what you need |
| 10:25.03 | sourdough | you can't use XFree86 sources |
| 10:25.04 | LarstiQ | people.debian.org/~daenzer/ |
| 10:25.06 | sourdough | you must use debians |
| 10:25.14 | sourdough | XFree86 sources are x86 only |
| 10:25.52 | jnansi | hmm - i hav much to learn on ppc |
| 10:26.01 | jnansi | jus got me first ibook :) |
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| 11:54.53 | PluueeR | lo |
| 11:57.39 | MrKennie | hi PluueeR |
| 11:57.47 | PluueeR | hi |
| 11:58.04 | MrKennie | hows your install going? :) |
| 11:58.10 | PluueeR | some dutch Linux guys have adviced me too install unstable instead of stable on my iMac |
| 11:58.21 | PluueeR | It works, X works, I am really happy :) |
| 11:58.26 | MrKennie | cool stuff |
| 11:59.01 | PluueeR | sure, don't know which window manager to use, thinking of Xfce or Wmaker. Last I used a long time on my i386 computer |
| 11:59.45 | MrKennie | kde is a bit bloated for the poor old iMac 233's |
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| 12:00.05 | MrKennie | something reasonably lightweight.. there's plenty around |
| 12:00.32 | nusse | fvwm2 is sweet |
| 12:01.53 | PluueeR | I thought KDE was too bloated, same with Gnome |
| 12:02.08 | PluueeR | Xfce is nice, and Wmaker too |
| 12:02.12 | MrKennie | I'm not a great fan of gnome 2.x |
| 12:04.02 | PluueeR | I am, but it still needs some work, like te anti aliashed fonts, they should not be anti aliashed when lower than 14px |
| 12:05.24 | MrKennie | well you can tweak that |
| 12:06.35 | MrKennie | I'm looking forward to E17 |
| 12:06.42 | PluueeR | E17? |
| 12:06.47 | MrKennie | I'm already using entrance |
| 12:07.00 | MrKennie | the next Enlightenment |
| 12:07.18 | PluueeR | are there screenies? |
| 12:07.23 | PluueeR | I love screenies :) |
| 12:07.28 | MrKennie | yes |
| 12:07.42 | MrKennie | not many to speak of, they purposly broke it |
| 12:08.04 | MrKennie | http://www.enlightenment.org/pages/main.html |
| 12:08.35 | MrKennie | looks liek they took them off |
| 12:09.36 | MrKennie | they have dr16 screens.. but no dr17 |
| 12:10.17 | PluueeR | is it a big improvement ? |
| 12:13.44 | PluueeR | http://www.cuddletech.com/e17/ |
| 12:14.21 | MrKennie | http://www.xcomputerman.com/gallery/screenshots?&page=2 |
| 12:15.16 | MrKennie | yes it will be I think |
| 12:15.22 | MrKennie | from what I seen so far |
| 12:15.27 | MrKennie | and used |
| 12:15.37 | MrKennie | I have not run dr17 tho |
| 12:24.15 | PluueeR | is the icon bar, Enlightenment or Gnome ? |
| 12:30.11 | MrKennie | E I'd imagine |
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| 15:30.24 | nusse | woohoo, my mac has just bootet:) |
| 15:31.29 | PluueeR | woohoo |
| 15:31.31 | PluueeR | :) |
| 15:31.58 | nusse | just modified the boot-floppy-hfs.img to use /dev/sda2 as root device instead of ramdisk |
| 15:54.21 | drw | nifty, but why? |
| 15:54.46 | nusse | wont boot from hd |
| 15:55.21 | nusse | my x screen is a little damaged, on the right side there are 3cm missing, and these 3cm are on the left, how to fix it? |
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| 19:20.44 | jcm | hi, i plugged my damaged disk on a ide 386 box and dd was able to copy blocks corresponding to a volume. How can i mount this file as a volume under macosx to try to recover some files from this hfs+ volume ? seems that mount cannot bear /dev/loop trick as man mount explains on linux. |
| 19:45.28 | Tartarus | well |
| 19:45.32 | Tartarus | NFS works |
| 19:45.50 | Tartarus | google OSX NFS client |
| 19:49.03 | Curalton | ... mount_nfs -P to allow a linux box to export a NFS to OS X |
| 19:53.09 | jcm | i ftped it to osx box |
| 19:53.16 | jcm | but i cannot mount it |
| 19:53.26 | jcm | if i append .img it complains not being a real volume image |
| 19:53.55 | jcm | if i use mount i don't have the ability to mount from file as on linux with /dev/loop |
| 19:55.26 | Curalton | well, linux can read hfs+ images fine |
| 19:56.13 | nusse | did you dd the whole hd or a partition? |
| 19:56.44 | Jeedo | how is "everything that is not " " in sed ? |
| 19:56.47 | jcm | a partition |
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| 19:56.54 | Jeedo | characters that is |
| 19:56.56 | jcm | i need hfsplus support in kernel |
| 19:57.04 | jcm | to be able to mount on linux, isnt' it ? |
| 19:59.32 | nusse | yes |
| 20:01.08 | jcm | that's why i'd prefer have osx mount the file. I used a linux box to be able to copy the 2.5" dd to a bigger one; the pwb user was and is on osx |
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| 20:13.57 | Tartarus | jcm, I've dd'ed an hfs+ volume off before and done it |
| 20:14.06 | Tartarus | jcm, the question is did you dd the drive or the partition? |
| 20:14.17 | Tartarus | if you did the drive, then you'll have to do something funkier to get just that partition out |
| 20:15.56 | Tartarus | (and that would probably be calculating where in the image of the full drive is the partition you want, and dd'ing that into another file) |
| 20:18.25 | Curalton | Jeedo: \w or \W iirc |
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| 20:23.51 | jcm | i got the partition back from memory + hexdump hacking of the disk |
| 20:24.00 | jcm | then i dd only one partition |
| 20:24.18 | jcm | i just tried to use Jens' hfsplus utils |
| 20:24.44 | jcm | seems difficult to hpcopy, i get always a "hpcopy: Is a directory" answer :( |
| 20:25.33 | jcm | so Tartarus: you suggest me to share the Linux box disk by nfs, and then ? |
| 20:26.01 | jcm | i won't be able to do more on osx with the file on the Linux nds than with the file copied by ftp ? |
| 20:26.29 | jcm | another choice is to try to hpfsk it from my laptop/debian |
| 20:26.39 | jcm | or maybe simply to hpcopy :-) |
| 20:30.24 | Curalton | err, hfs+ can be mounten on linux |
| 20:32.37 | nusse | jcm: mount -t hfs -o loop,ro /path/to/image /mnt/loop |
| 20:34.16 | jcm | nusse: are you sure 'hfs' is not simple hfs ? i need hfsplus, which is not a type used by mount :( |
| 20:34.54 | jcm | i tried here; hfs mounts but there's no visible file excetp a readme to explain that hfs+ is not hfs |
| 20:35.06 | ricII | not ppc related but: I would like to configure 2 extra nics for dedicate (more secure) host to host comminucation. what would be the best transparent failsafe way? |
| 20:35.29 | nusse | jcm: so go and compile hfsplus into your kernel |
| 20:37.15 | jcm | i have hfs compiled in my pwb, i can hpmount and hpls, but hpcopy stops with "Is a directory". If i cannot use it with a clean hfs+ volume, i won't repair a damaged one :-) |
| 20:38.59 | Curalton | jcm: hfsplus was working perfectly read and write on my 2.4.23 kernel! |
| 20:39.07 | Curalton | mount -t hfsplus is is then |
| 20:39.22 | Curalton | add -o ro to be on the safe site, as you certainly know |
| 20:44.17 | jcm | Curalton: right, -t hfsplus works |
| 20:48.14 | jcm | simply some pb with characters :( |
| 20:48.42 | jcm | Mac code is not recognized so it fails in copying |
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| 22:43.09 | Official_Idler | anyone got an ibook with an radeon 7500 running with opengl? |
| 22:43.29 | Curalton | g3 ibook? |
| 22:48.35 | Curalton | of course :) iirc the g4 ship with an 9200. well i have one |
| 22:48.47 | Official_Idler | does opengl work? |
| 22:48.51 | Official_Idler | and sleepmode? |
| 22:48.57 | Official_Idler | G3 900 MHz |
| 22:51.13 | Curalton | perfectly, even on a 2.6 kernel |
| 22:51.38 | Curalton | try #debianppc.de, only ibook g3 users in there :) |
| 22:52.47 | Official_Idler | #debianppc.de |
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