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| 00:37.39 | jjbenham | Is there anything special I have to do to preserve my system time on startup? I do rdate -s time.nist.gov then hwclock --systohc gives me an error like this: |
| 00:37.41 | jjbenham | annot access the Hardware Clock via any known method. |
| 00:37.41 | jjbenham | Use the --debug option to see the details of our search for an access method. |
| 00:38.40 | jjbenham | oh wait its because I don't have a /dev/rtc |
| 00:46.38 | jjbenham | I apt-get install mol the other day and then something funny started happening. everytime I run ybin it gives me a warning: |
| 00:46.39 | jjbenham | ybin: Warning: Incompatible version of `nvsetenv', nvram will not be updated |
| 00:46.51 | jjbenham | then I cannot boot after that |
| 00:47.08 | jjbenham | I need to put in my debian disk reboot then run ybin again |
| 00:47.14 | jjbenham | then it decides to work |
| 00:47.25 | jjbenham | How do I fix this? |
| 00:54.22 | sourdough | jjbenham CONFIG_PPC_RTC=y or CONFIG_GEN_RTC=y |
| 00:54.38 | sourdough | jjbenham and CONFIG_NVRAM=y |
| 00:54.54 | espo | hhmmm why is my alsa on my g3 not running :/ (Starting ALSA (unknown version): failed - ALSA modules not installed) |
| 00:55.10 | espo | i have installed alsa-base alsa-headers and alsa-build |
| 00:59.04 | jjbenham | sourdough: thanks. I will check that out |
| 01:05.40 | simonrvn | espo: need alsa modules. apt-get install alsa-source |
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| 01:54.53 | xLobeznox | hi |
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| 02:07.35 | xLobeznox | simonrvn: are you there |
| 02:07.49 | xLobeznox | I need to know what eth module I need to load in kernel |
| 02:07.58 | xLobeznox | for configure and compile |
| 02:08.06 | xLobeznox | I slected this: |
| 02:08.26 | xLobeznox | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.33 | xLobeznox | with this is enought? |
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| 02:26.01 | simonrvn | if it'S set to <*> you don't need to load a module |
| 02:26.08 | simonrvn | it's builtin |
| 02:31.43 | xLobeznox | mmm |
| 02:32.12 | xLobeznox | simonrvn: i wanted to ask if this is the module i need for the ibook |
| 02:32.17 | xLobeznox | is a G3 iBook |
| 02:32.35 | xLobeznox | I set <*> |
| 02:32.44 | simonrvn | it isn't a module. it's built into the kernel. there is nothing to load... |
| 02:33.01 | simonrvn | it's already loaded by the time the kernel comes up.. check dmesg |
| 02:34.20 | xLobeznox | i wanted to mean |
| 02:34.31 | xLobeznox | that if THIS driver is the one i need to build into kernel |
| 02:34.39 | xLobeznox | and no more drivers for eth support |
| 02:34.53 | simonrvn | i have no idea |
| 02:34.58 | xLobeznox | ok |
| 02:35.01 | xLobeznox | brb |
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| 02:53.53 | xLobeznox | re |
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| 03:04.47 | bddebppc | OK who's the wireless expert?? :-) |
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| 03:09.28 | xLobeznox | not me |
| 03:12.51 | xLobeznox | where in the kernel are the section in relation with the keyboard ? |
| 03:13.07 | xLobeznox | I compiled a kernel and my keyboard works bad |
| 03:13.14 | bddebppc | You mean the MAC adb keyboard stuff? |
| 03:13.22 | xLobeznox | is an iBook |
| 03:13.41 | xLobeznox | I press "a" and there is a "1" |
| 03:13.48 | bddebppc | Look under general setup. There should be a MAC_ADBKEYCODES. Disable it. |
| 03:13.55 | xLobeznox | ok |
| 03:14.30 | xLobeznox | I dont see it |
| 03:15.03 | bddebppc | CONFIG_MAC_ADBKEYCODES is the exact switch. You can just edit your .config if it's easier. |
| 03:15.30 | bddebppc | Hmm. It might be under character devices?? |
| 03:15.34 | xLobeznox | ok |
| 03:16.32 | xLobeznox | agpgart is needed for ATI radeon m7 in the iBook? |
| 03:17.10 | bddebppc | Hmm. That I don't know.. :( |
| 03:17.32 | xLobeznox | dont know where mac adbkeycodes are.. |
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| 03:21.40 | xLobeznox | bddebppc: I am editing .config file, how can I look for that line? |
| 03:21.52 | bddebppc | What editor? |
| 03:21.58 | xLobeznox | vim |
| 03:22.51 | bddebppc | "/MAC_ADB" |
| 03:24.12 | xLobeznox | that dont work |
| 03:24.33 | xLobeznox | but I have find it |
| 03:24.47 | xLobeznox | is on macintosh device drivers |
| 03:25.10 | bddebppc | Ah sorry, I can never remember.. :-) |
| 03:25.14 | xLobeznox | only that line? |
| 03:25.18 | xLobeznox | there are more.. |
| 03:25.28 | xLobeznox | Apple Dsktio Bus (ADB) Support |
| 03:25.34 | xLobeznox | Include MacIO (CHRP) driver |
| 03:25.39 | bddebppc | No, that is it for thekeyboard problem |
| 03:25.40 | xLobeznox | Use input layer for ADB devices |
| 03:25.57 | xLobeznox | I must desactivate only |
| 03:26.08 | xLobeznox | support for ADB raw keycodes |
| 03:26.12 | xLobeznox | ¿ |
| 03:27.29 | xLobeznox | no, I dont need anyone of those |
| 03:27.37 | xLobeznox | ADB OFF |
| 03:27.37 | xLobeznox | xD |
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| 06:09.32 | xLobeznox | hi |
| 06:09.43 | xLobeznox | somebody there? |
| 06:09.45 | arcady | yes? |
| 06:10.02 | bddebppc | Nope. :-) |
| 06:10.49 | xLobeznox | socket: Protocol not available - make sure CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_FILTER are defined in your kernel configuration! |
| 06:10.54 | xLobeznox | this in the kernel are: |
| 06:11.42 | xLobeznox | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.44 | xLobeznox | this? |
| 06:11.59 | arcady | no, the one right above it I think |
| 06:12.33 | xLobeznox | above? |
| 06:13.11 | xLobeznox | dont understand |
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| 08:09.15 | markedwards | Is anyone else having trouble updating gnome-panel and libgnomeprint on sid? |
| 08:11.41 | powerbook | no markedwards |
| 08:11.46 | powerbook | I'm an XFCE user :-) |
| 08:12.05 | arcady | I don't use gnome either |
| 08:12.37 | markedwards | Are you on xfce4? |
| 08:12.55 | powerbook | no 3.8.10 |
| 08:12.59 | markedwards | ah |
| 08:13.08 | markedwards | where do you get deb sources? |
| 08:13.21 | powerbook | I compiled xfce from scratch on my powerbook |
| 08:13.24 | markedwards | oh |
| 08:13.48 | powerbook | It's easier to compile older xfce versions from scratch thant xfce4 from my point of view |
| 08:13.57 | powerbook | I compiled XFCE4 for testing |
| 08:14.07 | powerbook | ~1 hour |
| 08:14.08 | powerbook | :-) |
| 08:18.17 | markedwards | well, it looks like the xfce debs are working now |
| 08:18.40 | markedwards | so I'll install that now |
| 08:19.08 | markedwards | Still, seems to be something broken with the gnome dependencies for ppc |
| 08:19.23 | powerbook | uhhh |
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| 08:19.36 | powerbook | good luck |
| 08:20.57 | markedwards | well, I'm just going to wait to see if it starts working I guess |
| 08:21.00 | markedwards | Thanks! |
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| 09:22.17 | markedwards | any gnome users on sid? |
| 09:25.17 | markedwards | how about xfce4? |
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| 11:39.35 | RQ | heya |
| 11:41.55 | RQ | do i need any framebuffer drivers just to have a console? |
| 12:06.40 | MrKennie | I believe so |
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| 12:24.34 | RQ | MrKennie, no i don't ;P |
| 12:27.04 | MrKennie | then how are you going to see what you're doing? :P |
| 12:27.32 | MrKennie | actaully.. forgoet that |
| 12:28.01 | MrKennie | I'm confused.. talking in like 50 thousand channels |
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| 12:38.10 | sourdough | rq you need at least offb, which is slow and crippled |
| 12:45.05 | RQ | sourdough, the box isn't powermac |
| 12:45.17 | RQ | i'll use the standard VGA console |
| 12:47.15 | sourdough | well thats different, why ask such a thing on a powerpc channel, where vga is non-existent on the vast majority of machines |
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| 15:58.42 | gilligan_ | hi |
| 15:59.53 | gilligan_ | anyone here using xine? i dong get sound to work.. it checks for OSS but fails. (running 2.6) |
| 16:01.00 | gilligan_ | on a G4 powerbook.. |
| 16:01.54 | liiwi | included oss emulation? |
| 16:02.45 | MrKennie | xine works with alsa as well.. |
| 16:03.05 | gilligan_ | liiwi, included oss emulation where? as kernel option? |
| 16:03.30 | gilligan_ | MrKennie, yeah but I think there is no alsa driver for the dmasound g4 onboard soundcard.. is there? |
| 16:03.59 | MrKennie | dunno.. but oss is considered depreciated as of 2.6 |
| 16:04.23 | gilligan_ | yeah,but when u got the choice of NO sound or sound with depreciated OSS.. :) |
| 16:04.44 | MrKennie | I know someone with a g3 powerbook who uses alsa |
| 16:05.04 | MrKennie | take a look |
| 16:05.17 | MrKennie | see what its using |
| 16:05.25 | gilligan_ | url? |
| 16:05.32 | MrKennie | its your kernel |
| 16:05.40 | gilligan_ | liiwi, "included oss emulation" ...? |
| 16:07.00 | gilligan_ | ah.there are some more options with the newest benh stuff hehe |
| 16:07.47 | MrKennie | oss emulation is in the kernel.. but xine does not need it if it has been compiled with alsa support.. oss emulation is needed if you use alsa drivers |
| 16:08.07 | MrKennie | and you have apps that only use oss stuff |
| 16:08.13 | gilligan_ | recompiling.. |
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| 17:52.26 | fc | does 2.6.1-rc1-ben1's .config comes with sensible defaults for the iBook? |
| 17:58.48 | RQ | dunno.... |
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| 18:01.57 | MrKennie | fc you will want to check through it.. you dont want adb_rawcodes enabled for a start and that's usually enabled by default |
| 18:02.39 | fc | ok ... i'll start with the one I use on 2.4.23 then and go from there. |
| 18:03.42 | MrKennie | saying that, I have never compiled a 2.6 kernel on PPC |
| 18:03.57 | MrKennie | but even still |
| 18:05.46 | RQ | fc: make oldconfig ;) |
| 18:05.51 | RQ | than make menuconfig |
| 18:05.56 | Curalton | fc: http://www.daniel-zimmermann.com/joe/ibook/ibook-2.6.html |
| 18:06.43 | fc | cool, thanks. |
| 18:06.53 | kd6pag | 2.6.1-rc1 works for me with patches for MESH, etc. The 2.6.0-test* all gave me grief on an 8500. |
| 18:08.13 | RQ | kd6pag, did you try the final 2.6.0 |
| 18:08.13 | RQ | ? |
| 18:08.19 | fc | great, no more drm-trunk-modules ;) |
| 18:08.29 | MrKennie | I just downgraded from 2.6 back to 2.4 on my x86 machines |
| 18:08.36 | Curalton | fc: indeed :) |
| 18:08.47 | MrKennie | too many issues |
| 18:08.49 | RQ | MrKennie, why so? ;] |
| 18:08.56 | MrKennie | I had NFS issues |
| 18:09.15 | RQ | oh |
| 18:09.27 | MrKennie | going to wait till say 2.6.5 I think |
| 18:09.31 | MrKennie | ish |
| 18:10.02 | kd6pag | Too busy, and i know there are more issues to resolve (especially for the VAIO laptop), so skipped over that one. |
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| 18:58.29 | xsnapcasex | hi |
| 18:58.41 | xsnapcasex | somebody using an iBook with kernel 2.4.23 |
| 18:59.45 | xsnapcasex | agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 322M |
| 18:59.46 | xsnapcasex | agpgart: unsupported bridge |
| 18:59.46 | xsnapcasex | agpgart: no supported devices found. |
| 18:59.58 | xsnapcasex | i cant use agpgart, dont know what is missing in kernel |
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| 19:13.20 | xsnapcasex | powerbook: can you helo me please |
| 19:16.36 | powerbook | xsnapcasex: hello |
| 19:16.49 | xsnapcasex | <xsnapcasex> somebody using an iBook with kernel 2.4.23 |
| 19:16.49 | xsnapcasex | <xsnapcasex> agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 322M |
| 19:16.49 | xsnapcasex | <xsnapcasex> agpgart: unsupported bridge |
| 19:16.49 | xsnapcasex | <xsnapcasex> agpgart: no supported devices found. |
| 19:16.49 | xsnapcasex | <xsnapcasex> i cant use agpgart, dont know what is missing in kernel |
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| 19:18.06 | looksaus | does anyone know about an mplayerplug-in package for ppc? |
| 19:43.13 | Big_Luk | looksaus: use the source from http://mozplayerxp.mozdev.org/ |
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| 19:46.59 | ToreSB | Hi there |
| 19:47.00 | ToreSB | Will it run X comfortably? |
| 19:47.05 | ToreSB | I`ve got a Performa 5400/160 * |
| 19:47.14 | ToreSB | Will it run Linux and X comfortably? |
| 19:47.29 | ToreSB | God, that was a messed up attempt to repeat something I said in another channel :) |
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| 20:21.12 | xLobeznox | hi |
| 20:21.44 | xLobeznox | someone using 2.4.23 with an radeon M7 ? |
| 20:41.38 | looksaus | Big_Luk, ken ik jou? |
| 20:43.03 | looksaus | Big_Luk, thanks for the hint |
| 20:43.12 | Big_Luk | looksaus: niet dat ik weet :) |
| 20:44.26 | looksaus | Big_Luk, what machine do you run deb-PPC on? |
| 20:44.43 | Big_Luk | yikes |
| 20:45.42 | looksaus | ? |
| 20:45.50 | Big_Luk | g4/400 pci model |
| 20:46.21 | looksaus | ah, k |
| 20:47.00 | looksaus | I've been working on my iBook g4 for a good part of the last few days |
| 20:47.07 | looksaus | to get everything working |
| 20:47.21 | Big_Luk | ic |
| 20:47.24 | looksaus | but the dust is settling |
| 20:47.44 | Big_Luk | i have to go, speak you later ... |
| 20:47.50 | looksaus | 3D support, sound, french characters in the console |
| 20:47.52 | looksaus | oh, k |
| 20:47.53 | looksaus | bye |
| 20:48.13 | looksaus | sorry if I've been a bit too talkative |
| 20:48.22 | looksaus | and thanks again for the hint |
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| 21:41.38 | vash_ | when i build a new kernel with make-kpkg and install the new kernel, i get a DEFAULT CATCH! error |
| 21:41.45 | vash_ | i cannot use the new kernel at all |
| 21:43.35 | vash_ | am i missing an install step? |
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| 22:17.16 | raystopper | help: upgraded mozilla 1.2 to mozilla 1.5-3 (debian), how to make java plugin work? Thank! |
| 22:17.59 | raystopper | more: tried blackdown 1.3.1_02B, not recogized in Help->About Plugins. |
| 22:19.44 | xsnapcasex | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.53 | xsnapcasex | this is needed for agpgart , right? |
| 22:22.58 | jc|ibook | right |
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| 23:03.02 | xLobeznox | someone with a radeon in his ibook please! |
| 23:03.04 | xLobeznox | please! |
| 23:03.04 | xLobeznox | xd |
| 23:07.12 | farruinn | big problem here: I can ping localhost but I can't telnet, connect via http, ec. |
| 23:07.12 | dude | xLobeznox: that's not a question ;-) |
| 23:07.32 | farruinn | I'm not sure what's going on here |
| 23:07.37 | xLobeznox | dude: I need kernel char conf for compare with mine |
| 23:07.42 | xLobeznox | I have no direct rendering |
| 23:07.56 | xLobeznox | wait |
| 23:07.59 | dude | xLobeznox: 2.4 / 2.6 ? |
| 23:08.04 | xLobeznox | 2.4.23 |
| 23:09.01 | dude | compile agpgart in or as module and get drm-trunk from michel daenzer |
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| 23:09.16 | xsnapcasex | [drm:radeon_cp_init] *ERROR* radeon_cp_init called without lock held |
| 23:09.17 | xsnapcasex | [drm:radeon_unlock] *ERROR* Process 699 using kernel context 0 |
| 23:09.19 | xsnapcasex | [drm:radeon_cp_init] *ERROR* radeon_cp_init called without lock held |
| 23:09.21 | xsnapcasex | [drm:radeon_unlock] *ERROR* Process 1408 using kernel context 0 |
| 23:09.23 | xsnapcasex | [drm] Module unloaded |
| 23:09.25 | xsnapcasex | [drm] Initialized radeon 1.8.0 20020828 on minor 0 |
| 23:09.27 | xsnapcasex | [drm:radeon_cp_init] *ERROR* radeon_cp_init called without lock held |
| 23:09.29 | xsnapcasex | [drm:radeon_unlock] *ERROR* Process 1603 using kernel context 0 |
| 23:09.45 | xLobeznox | dude: I am using drm-trunk module compiled by myself, and agpgart is compiled as a module too |
| 23:10.39 | xLobeznox | I give support in the kernel to Apple UniNorth because without it agpgart couldnt find my chipset |
| 23:10.45 | xLobeznox | and now, I ahve this error |
| 23:10.50 | dude | modprobe'd radeon after agpgart, installed xlib-gl1.. |
| 23:10.54 | dude | ? |
| 23:11.36 | xLobeznox | mmm |
| 23:11.37 | xLobeznox | wait.. |
| 23:12.39 | xLobeznox | if I modprobe radeon after agpgart agpgart is used by 3 |
| 23:12.55 | xLobeznox | but now when I run glxgears the screen is red! |
| 23:13.01 | xLobeznox | why? |
| 23:13.36 | dude | grep \(EE\) /var/log/XFree* |
| 23:13.39 | markedwards | anyone running gnome on sid? |
| 23:14.48 | farruinn | markedwards: sometimes |
| 23:14.55 | xLobeznox | not EE |
| 23:15.22 | xLobeznox | there are no EE in XFree log dude |
| 23:15.29 | markedwards | farruinn: have you had any trouble updating lately? I have dependency problems with gnome-panel and libgnomeprint |
| 23:15.50 | farruinn | sorry, I haven't tried very recently |
| 23:16.15 | markedwards | well, if you feel like being a guinea pig, give it a shot. I bet it breaks. |
| 23:16.44 | farruinn | lol, what a nice premonition |
| 23:16.58 | markedwards | hey, misery loves company |
| 23:18.02 | farruinn | upgrading packages is always painful on my machine: I've got a 3.3 kbyte dialup connection = 20 min for apt-get update alone |
| 23:18.41 | Curalton | and i bet noone sells debian sid ppc DVD or CDs... |
| 23:19.15 | farruinn | I don't know why they would, you'd have to make new sets every week basically |
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| 23:19.29 | farruinn | it seems like sid changes almost daily |
| 23:20.20 | markedwards | same thing on FreeBSD though. Except they don't seem to break things nearly as much. |
| 23:20.42 | Curalton | yes, but at least you can get snapshots, some offer them for i386 |
| 23:21.19 | markedwards | yeah, debian wins on the convenience side. |
| 23:21.46 | farruinn | Curalton: true. that'd be kind of neat if a library or something had weekly snapshots or something |
| 23:21.58 | sourdough | debian doesn't usually break things so often |
| 23:22.19 | sourdough | but they do make sure to break something spectacular every few monthes or so |
| 23:22.28 | sourdough | like, pam, libc |
| 23:23.03 | markedwards | well, kdm is broken right now, and as far as I can tell so is gnome-panel and libgnomeprint |
| 23:23.03 | sourdough | towards the end of a release cycle they start making more dumb breakage, usually rushing stuff to evade a freeze or so |
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| 23:23.34 | sourdough | interesting |
| 23:24.20 | sourdough | why /var/cache/apt/archives is your friend |
| 23:24.33 | sourdough | downgrade to the previously unbroken version, put it on hold till htey fix |
| 23:25.54 | farruinn | yeah, that archive is very handy |
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| 23:45.15 | xLobeznox | dude: do you know the error I have with glx? |
| 23:45.34 | xLobeznox | when I launch glxgears the window is red.. |
| 23:45.54 | xLobeznox | and I dont have any EE in the x log |
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| 23:48.11 | markedwards | sourdough: is there a mechanism in debian to force it to accept a different dependency than it wants? |
| 23:48.23 | dude | xLobeznox: not really ... try something else to see if acceleration is working (like quake as in apt-get install quake2 ;-) ) |
| 23:49.00 | markedwards | like in FreeBSD, you can say, "Ignore the dependency you're expecting. Use this instead." |
| 23:49.17 | markedwards | but debian seems very unbending |
| 23:49.40 | xLobeznox | dude: glxgears is enought to see if aceleartion is ok |
| 23:49.51 | dude | markedwards: there's a way to create (fake) packages with the only purpose to satify a dependency |
| 23:49.54 | xLobeznox | anyway.. I have GLtron allreay |
| 23:49.56 | xLobeznox | anyway.. I have GLtron allready |
| 23:50.08 | xLobeznox | and the screen gets red whan I launch the gam e:( |
| 23:50.28 | powerbook | I'm looking for a newer Java runtime environment, the newest one I found is build Blackdown-1.3.1-02c-FCS Version "1.3.1" for PPC |
| 23:50.35 | dude | xLobeznox: yeah,glxgears should be enough, but usually it segfaults if acceleration is missing |
| 23:51.13 | xLobeznox | if acceleration is missing then I have a problem |
| 23:51.41 | xLobeznox | I recompiled kernel with gcc-2.95 |
| 23:52.00 | xLobeznox | and now I'm goint to recompile driver radeon with gcc-2.95 |
| 23:52.05 | markedwards | dude: well what I want to do is get around a breakage, and tell apt-get that it can use 4.21-1 instead of 4.21-2 (for example) of a package |
| 23:52.14 | dude | xLobeznox: did you put UseFBDev in your XF86Config-4 ? |
| 23:52.25 | dude | markedwards: sec |
| 23:52.44 | xLobeznox | without UseFBDev X dont start |
| 23:53.01 | xLobeznox | because iBooks need fb allways |
| 23:53.09 | xLobeznox | no fb = no screen |
| 23:54.39 | dude | markedwards: apt-cache show equivs |
| 23:54.56 | markedwards | thanks I'll try that |
| 23:55.34 | dude | xLobeznox: out of ideas; check tuxmobil.org/apple.html |
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| 23:57.14 | sourdough | equivs |