irclog2html for #debianppc on 20040104

`00:01.10`	`sourdough`	`markedwards hmm, you have something demanding that specific a version of a package?`
`00:01.14`	`sourdough`	`markedwards thats tricky`
`00:05.06`	`spacecowboy`	`hey anyone know what will play .ram?`
`00:05.10`	`spacecowboy`	`real audio namely`
`00:06.47`	`dude`	`spacecowboy: stream ?`
`00:06.56`	`spacecowboy`	`dude: i suppose`
`00:07.20`	`dude`	`spacecowboy: mplayer can handle files, dunno 'bout streams`
`00:08.02`	`spacecowboy`	`dude: the .ram files?`
`00:08.06`	`spacecowboy`	`hmm`
`00:08.29`	`markedwards`	`sourdough: yes, the situation is that gnome-panel wants a -2 version of gnome-panel-data but the up-to-date package list has it at -1`
`00:09.00`	`markedwards`	`its busted`
`00:09.24`	`markedwards`	`but that only appears to be the case with ppc. A guy on #gnome said he has -2 of gnome-panel-data on i386`
`00:12.00`	`dude`	`markedwards: you might try to compile the package yourself (binary & source may differ)`
`00:12.09`	`spacecowboy`	`yep`
`00:12.11`	`spacecowboy`	`i would`
`00:12.12`	`sourdough`	`ah i see`
`00:12.31`	`dude`	`markedwards: as in 'apt-get source'`
`00:12.31`	`sourdough`	`markedwards its because -dta is brokenly a arch=all package`
`00:12.51`	`markedwards`	`come again`
`00:12.52`	`sourdough`	`so it instnatly is installed on all archs before buildds have a change to build the requitsite binary arch=any packages`
`00:13.10`	`sourdough`	`look at the -data package`
`00:13.19`	`sourdough`	`its an *_all.deb is it not?`
`00:13.21`	`markedwards`	`right, its just binary lagging on ppc...`
`00:13.30`	`markedwards`	`I'll look. I'm not in debian right now`
`00:13.35`	`sourdough`	`that means it does not get autobuild, its installed on all archs instantly, shared among them`
`00:13.51`	`sourdough`	`markedwards file a bug to make it an arch=any package which means it gets autobuilt and this won't happen anymore`
`00:14.32`	`markedwards`	`but in the meantime, if I install from source it should clear up?`
`00:14.38`	`sourdough`	`yup`
`00:14.43`	`markedwards`	`that makes sense`
`00:14.48`	`sourdough`	`but please file the bug, i see this all teh time`
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`00:16.36`	`markedwards`	`will do`
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`00:25.47`	`xsnapcasex`	`dude: I think now I know the cause of my problem`
`00:25.49`	`xsnapcasex`	`do you want to know it`
`00:27.39`	`xsnapcasex`	`now 3D is OK`
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`00:48.10`	`farruinn`	`need help: can't telnet or connect to localhost in any way, yet I can ping 127.0.0.1 or localhost and none of the packets are dropped?`
`00:48.12`	`farruinn`	`what's up with this?`
`00:48.34`	`farruinn`	`(it's causing problems with setting up cups)`
`00:48.35`	`sourdough`	`telnetd not running (why would yo uwant it?)`
`00:49.05`	`sourdough`	`doing any firewalling? maybe you forgot to exempt localhost`
`00:49.16`	`farruinn`	`no firewall I did check that already`
`00:49.25`	`sourdough`	`what happens? connection refused? hang?`
`00:49.32`	`farruinn`	`connection refused`
`00:50.05`	`sourdough`	`run netstat -tul`
`00:50.25`	`sourdough`	`can you not just setup cups with a text editor?`
`00:50.46`	`sourdough`	`and command line utils`
`00:50.55`	`farruinn`	`would it still work?`
`00:51.46`	`sourdough`	`when i read cups docs that dumb web interface for configuration was optonal`
`00:51.46`	`farruinn`	`because any connection to localhost is being refused, and I was under the impression that when printing with cups you had to connect to either localhost or some print server`
`00:52.02`	`sourdough`	`yes that is true i think`
`00:52.04`	`sourdough`	`don't think unix sockets are supported`
`00:52.13`	`sourdough`	`what does netstat -tul say?`
`00:52.22`	`farruinn`	`it says that ipp is listening`
`00:52.27`	`farruinn`	`and printer too`
`00:52.36`	`sourdough`	`on what interfaces though?`
`00:52.45`	`sourdough`	`tcp 0 0 :ssh :* LISTEN`
`00:52.51`	`sourdough`	`that * means ALL interfaces`
`00:52.59`	`farruinn`	`ok, then it's all`
`00:53.03`	`sourdough`	`if that says something like 192.168.0.1:ssh then it won't listen to localhost`
`00:53.07`	`sourdough`	`ok`
`00:53.21`	`sourdough`	`does ifconfig lo show usual stuffs?`
`00:54.03`	`farruinn`	`lo Link encap:Local Loopback`
`00:54.05`	`farruinn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:54.07`	`farruinn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:54.08`	`farruinn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:54.10`	`farruinn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:54.11`	`farruinn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:54.23`	`sourdough`	`interesting that it sholws zero packets..`
`00:54.34`	`sourdough`	`what does /etc/hosts look like?`
`00:55.36`	`farruinn`	`that has 127.0.0.1 localhost`
`00:56.00`	`sourdough`	`127.0.0.1 localhost`
`00:56.02`	`sourdough`	`like that?`
`00:56.06`	`sourdough`	`k`
`00:56.08`	`farruinn`	`yes`
`00:56.16`	`sourdough`	`no duplicates or anything odd?`
`00:56.23`	`farruinn`	`none`
`00:56.31`	`sourdough`	`what does route -n how`
`00:56.34`	`sourdough`	`show`
`00:57.09`	`farruinn`	`209.247.23.42 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0`
`00:57.10`	`farruinn`	`0.0.0.0 209.247.23.42 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0`
`00:57.40`	`sourdough`	`no local network i see`
`00:57.56`	`sourdough`	`wierd, that looks like pppoe shit`
`00:58.02`	`farruinn`	`really?`
`00:58.18`	`farruinn`	`because I'm using just serial ppp`
`00:58.42`	`sourdough`	`ok no thats right`
`00:59.10`	`sourdough`	`try running: route add -net 127.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 dev lo`
`00:59.37`	`farruinn`	`should that be 127.0.0.1?`
`00:59.40`	`sourdough`	`no`
`01:00.23`	`farruinn`	`SIOCADDRT: No such device`
`01:00.34`	`sourdough`	`interesting`
`01:00.47`	`sourdough`	`something about your loopback device is broken`
`01:01.04`	`sourdough`	`and pings are not reaching it since your RX and TX show zero`
`01:01.18`	`sourdough`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:01.23`	`sourdough`	`mine shows that`
`01:01.32`	`sourdough`	`every time i ping they increase`
`01:01.49`	`farruinn`	`my pings worked earlier when I wasn't connected to the internet`
`01:01.54`	`bighawk`	`oh man, i hate people who use MiB`
`01:02.00`	`farruinn`	`but now all of the packets are being dropped`
`01:02.28`	`sourdough`	`ah`
`01:02.40`	`sourdough`	`so ppp is breaking it`
`01:02.54`	`sourdough`	`do you have ipmasq installed?`
`01:03.06`	`sourdough`	`what does iptables -L show`
`01:03.56`	`sourdough`	`does your ifconfig lo output contain such a line as this?`
`01:03.57`	`sourdough`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:04.02`	`farruinn`	`I have kernel 2.2`
`01:04.07`	`sourdough`	`ipchains then`
`01:04.38`	`farruinn`	`yeah, i checked that earlier, everything is accept`
`01:05.22`	`sourdough`	`try ifdown lo`
`01:05.24`	`sourdough`	`ifup lo`
`01:06.08`	`farruinn`	`I think that the problem is that lo doesn't exist`
`01:06.22`	`sourdough`	`ifup lo should fix that`
`01:06.24`	`farruinn`	`because I get errors : interface lo not configured and unkown interface`
`01:06.30`	`sourdough`	`ah`
`01:06.33`	`sourdough`	`wierd`
`01:07.01`	`farruinn`	`lol, I don't like hearing that from you`
`01:07.11`	`sourdough`	`i didn't think the loop device was something you get could get rid of`
`01:07.26`	`sourdough`	`you do have a lo setup in /etc/network/interfaces right?`
`01:07.35`	`sourdough`	`# The loopback interface`
`01:07.35`	`sourdough`	`auto lo`
`01:07.35`	`sourdough`	`iface lo inet loopback`
`01:07.35`	`sourdough`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:07.35`	`sourdough`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:07.37`	`sourdough`	`thats what i have`
`01:07.55`	`sourdough`	`the route commands are apparently not strictly required, but i prefer seeing an explicit route`
`01:07.59`	`farruinn`	`ahhhh, no`
`01:08.06`	`sourdough`	rather then `magic invisible routes'
`01:08.20`	`sourdough`	`add those lines, then do ifup lo`
`01:08.23`	`sourdough`	`that should fix it`
`01:08.39`	`sourdough`	`you probably never setup networking on this box, since you seem to have no locla LAN`
`01:09.32`	`sourdough`	`really lo should always be setup, even when no other network is being used, lots of things need tcp/ip at some level, even if it is localhost only`
`01:10.15`	`farruinn`	`was there a script or something I might have missed when doing the base install?`
`01:10.31`	`sourdough`	`no, normally network setup is done in the boot-floppies stage`
`01:10.38`	`farruinn`	`odd`
`01:10.41`	`sourdough`	`if you skip it there you don't get any network configuration whatsoever`
`01:11.23`	`farruinn`	`for whatever reason I must have skipped it`
`01:11.41`	`sourdough`	`probably didn't install any base over network`
`01:11.47`	`sourdough`	`so there wasn't a reason to`
`01:12.15`	`sourdough`	`since your ppp only installing base over network isn't an option anwyay`
`01:12.24`	`farruinn`	`right`
`01:12.35`	`farruinn`	`I thought I "knew better" though`
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`01:12.55`	`sourdough`	`ifup lo work now?`
`01:12.59`	`farruinn`	`yes`
`01:13.01`	`farruinn`	`thank you so much`
`01:13.05`	`sourdough`	`yup`
`01:13.41`	`farruinn`	`now to tackle this printer`
`01:13.50`	`farruinn`	`I remember it was quite an ordeal last time`
`01:13.51`	`sourdough`	`ugh`
`01:13.56`	`farruinn`	`but that's an adventure for another day`
`01:13.59`	`sourdough`	`i hate dealing with printers`
`01:14.12`	`sourdough`	`giant pains in the asses printers are`
`01:14.31`	`farruinn`	`I remember trying half a dozen ppd's and none of them worked`
`01:14.38`	`sourdough`	`what kind?`
`01:14.41`	`farruinn`	`I can't remember if I actually got this thing going...`
`01:14.45`	`farruinn`	`it's an epson color stylus`
`01:14.51`	`sourdough`	`UGH`
`01:15.02`	`sourdough`	`i tried and failed to get one of those to work once too`
`01:15.02`	`farruinn`	`according to linuxprinting.org it "supposed" to work well with linux`
`01:15.06`	`farruinn`	`but we'll see`
`01:15.08`	`farruinn`	`hmm`
`01:15.12`	`sourdough`	yeah, key work, `supposed'
`01:15.21`	`sourdough`	`i tried a few years ago`
`01:15.24`	`sourdough`	`maybe things are better..`
`01:15.30`	`farruinn`	`let's hope`
`01:15.32`	`sourdough`	`i just get postscript printers, those are easy`
`01:15.57`	`MrKennie`	`epson are pretty good about the specs.. depending on whether they use their own stuff or not`
`01:16.05`	`farruinn`	`this one came from a place that was just going to throw it away because it wasn't compatable with their new computers`
`01:16.11`	`MrKennie`	`I have an epson.. seems to work ok`
`01:16.16`	`sourdough`	`heh`
`01:16.40`	`sourdough`	`a friend of mine managed to get a hold of sevreal very high end apple laserwriters that were being thrown away for that reason`
`01:16.49`	`sourdough`	`they were repacling macs with x86`
`01:17.10`	`farruinn`	`idiots`
`01:17.17`	`farruinn`	`I never throw anything away unless it's broken`
`01:17.27`	`MrKennie`	`probably cheaper`
`01:17.29`	`sourdough`	`but didn't bother to notice these high end apple laser printers had 1) apple serial, 2) paralel, 3) ethernet, and maybe more`
`01:17.56`	`simonrvn`	`and on some of them, all the interfaces can be used at the same time`
`01:18.02`	`sourdough`	`yup`
`01:18.11`	`sourdough`	`they were perectly x86/windows compatible`
`01:18.16`	`sourdough`	`and unix compatible`
`01:18.25`	`sourdough`	`those even have unix setup instructions in the apple manual`
`01:18.30`	`farruinn`	`MrKennie: how new is your epson? I have a sc 850`
`01:18.38`	`MrKennie`	`C44UX`
`01:18.39`	`simonrvn`	`of course, just get say, peecee serial -> mac serial or something. or ethernet them`
`01:18.40`	`sourdough`	`they document how to set the ip address with arp, without access to macos`
`01:18.57`	`simonrvn`	`hmm`
`01:19.06`	`farruinn`	`heh, apple hardly ever includes a manual anymore`
`01:19.15`	`sourdough`	`farruinn yeah unfortunatly`
`01:19.22`	`MrKennie`	`only a cheapy printer.. amazed it works at all`
`01:19.22`	`simonrvn`	`..where it needs an ip etc.`
`01:19.24`	`sourdough`	`farruinn old laser printers have a huge manual`
`01:19.30`	`sourdough`	`about half an inch thick`
`01:19.39`	`simonrvn`	`i have a pdf format one for mine`
`01:19.42`	`sourdough`	`with chapters for various UNIX, windows, macos`
`01:19.51`	`sourdough`	`very detailed, quite nice`
`01:20.12`	`simonrvn`	`yes apple manuals - at least the older ones - are detailed, some of them at least`
`01:20.12`	`sourdough`	`the printers had a bsd lpd running too, along with telnet configuration`
`01:20.19`	`MrKennie`	`dont get that with epson printers..`
`01:20.20`	`farruinn`	`back in the day before apple took it's "let's not confuse our customers now" approach too seriously`
`01:20.33`	`MrKennie`	`maybe the expensive laser printers`
`01:20.43`	`MrKennie`	`tho I wouldn't touch an epson laser`
`01:20.48`	`MrKennie`	`too damn noisy`
`01:20.51`	`sourdough`	`heh`
`01:21.06`	`sourdough`	`these days probably HP laser`
`01:21.12`	`sourdough`	`but they are expensive`
`01:21.14`	`MrKennie`	`yea`
`01:21.19`	`sourdough`	`to get the actual netowrk capable postscirpt model`
`01:21.54`	`farruinn`	`I also got a samsung laser printer when I got this epson. and I'm getting a usb card soon, so maybe...`
`01:22.32`	`MrKennie`	`farruinn: you shouldn't have any issues.. but IMO printing in linux is a bit sucky to get going`
`01:22.44`	`farruinn`	`I agree`
`01:23.02`	`MrKennie`	`but I for one, put up with it cos I run nothing else`
`01:23.10`	`sourdough`	`unless you have a postscript printer, then its a breeze`
`01:23.12`	`farruinn`	`it feels like linux (and other *nixes I guess) wasn't really built with printing in mind`
`01:23.26`	`farruinn`	`ah, so must have been they had postscript printers in mind`
`01:23.32`	`MrKennie`	`well lpd has been around for years`
`01:23.37`	`sourdough`	`the PITA stuff comes from the ffact that every damn printer manufacture insists on reinventing the wheel with ya new proprietary protocol`
`01:23.42`	`MrKennie`	`maybe since before linux?`
`01:23.49`	`sourdough`	`instead of using standard stuff like postscript`
`01:24.05`	`MrKennie`	`yup`
`01:24.15`	`sourdough`	`farruinn unix has line printing and postscript printing in mind`
`01:24.32`	`sourdough`	but today the norm is `random proprietary protocol with only windows drivers'
`01:25.07`	`MrKennie`	`hardware needs some sort of standards compliance`
`01:25.21`	`sourdough`	`printers took a step backward in that regard`
`01:25.25`	`farruinn`	`or at least be more open, less proprietary`
`01:25.31`	`sourdough`	`tehy all used to be either acsii line printers, or postscript`
`01:25.33`	`sourdough`	`simple`
`01:25.34`	`farruinn`	`but it's what makes money that counts`
`01:25.58`	`sourdough`	`with either serial, or unix lpd (an RFC standard)`
`01:26.04`	`MrKennie`	`dont make sense spending fortunes on a protocol that does nothing different from anything else tho`
`01:26.13`	`sourdough`	`but today we in the MS dark ages of constantly changing proprietary protocols`
`01:27.24`	`MrKennie`	`and no one particularly cares for this cos a majority run doze anyway`
`01:27.35`	`sourdough`	`yup`
`01:27.46`	`MrKennie`	`and its the majority that counts`
`01:28.05`	`MrKennie`	`but still makes no sense to me`
`01:28.05`	`sourdough`	`the majority are starting to show sings of annoyance at this disposable printer fad`
`01:28.14`	`sourdough`	`where printers break once per year`
`01:28.23`	`sourdough`	`and cartrides need replacing once per week`
`01:28.29`	`MrKennie`	`hah yea`
`01:28.32`	`sourdough`	`at absurd prices`
`01:28.32`	`MrKennie`	`lexmark printers`
`01:28.36`	`sourdough`	`yes`
`01:28.48`	`sourdough`	`someone i knw had thier lexmark blow up on them`
`01:29.01`	`MrKennie`	`buy them dirt cheap.. the cheapest option when the ink runs out is to buy another one!`
`01:29.01`	`sourdough`	`not one month after waranty expiration`
`01:29.20`	`sourdough`	`MrKennie yeah at 60 bucks a pop, minimum`
`01:29.34`	`sourdough`	`ill never own another inkjet for that reason`
`01:29.44`	`sourdough`	`cartriges are a scam thesedays`
`01:29.47`	`MrKennie`	`well I got his epson cos the carts are cheap`
`01:29.53`	`MrKennie`	`this epson even`
`01:30.01`	`MrKennie`	`and I dont print alot`
`01:30.34`	`MrKennie`	`knowing my luck it will dry up and block the jets`
`01:31.09`	`sourdough`	`thats the other problem`
`01:31.37`	`sourdough`	`if you don't print constantly (thus spending massive ammounts on ink) they clog up and make you buy new ink anyway`
`01:31.55`	`sourdough`	`its a screw screw situation`
`01:32.04`	`MrKennie`	`yea.. and "cleaning" the heads uses alot of ink too`
`01:32.20`	`sourdough`	`toner doesn't dry up, its already dry ;p`
`01:32.26`	`sourdough`	`heh`
`01:32.28`	`sourdough`	`cleaning`
`01:32.37`	`sourdough`	`i can see the marketing dep coming up with that scam`
`01:32.51`	`MrKennie`	`hehe`
`01:32.55`	`MrKennie`	`cleaning with ink.`
`01:32.58`	`sourdough`	`lets have a `cleaning' feature! as in `buy new cartridge now' feature!
`01:33.24`	`MrKennie`	`I had a laser printer before this one`
`01:33.32`	`sourdough`	`back when i had a inkjet hp i never used that feature, id use q-tips with alchohol`
`01:33.41`	`sourdough`	`worked better, and didn't waste all teh ink`
`01:33.50`	`MrKennie`	`it was an old one.. but worked nicely.. used the hp lj4 driver :)`
`01:34.18`	`sourdough`	`heh`
`01:34.46`	`MrKennie`	`then it just went crazy and the rubber rollers on the paper feed cracked up too much so it would jam alot`
`01:35.10`	`sourdough`	`bleah`
`01:35.35`	`MrKennie`	`served me a year or so.. must of been 5-6 years old when I got it`
`01:35.47`	`MrKennie`	`very small too`
`01:36.21`	`MrKennie`	`samsung ML1200 series printers are good for the money`
`01:36.31`	`farruinn`	`I wonder what the cups test page is supposed to look like... all I ever get it gobbledegook`
`01:36.45`	`farruinn`	`MrKennie: ahh, that' this usb laser I've got over here`
`01:36.50`	`MrKennie`	`its boring, actually`
`01:36.52`	`farruinn`	`problem is, it's usb and I'm not`
`01:37.08`	`farruinn`	`that's too bad`
`01:37.13`	`MrKennie`	`this one is both.`
`01:37.14`	`sourdough`	`farruinn well i would presume its not gobbledegook`
`01:37.20`	`MrKennie`	`the one we got at the shop anyway`
`01:38.04`	`MrKennie`	`slow to warm up but it does fine when it gets going`
`01:38.24`	`simonrvn`	`4 Setting Up the Printer for UNIX Users 109`
`01:38.30`	`simonrvn`	`;)`
`01:38.38`	`farruinn`	`hmm, pages and pages of lots of C#YA4Ja!} looks like gobbledegook to me`
`01:38.52`	`MrKennie`	`sounds like its not working :)`
`01:39.15`	`farruinn`	`funny, I was just starting to think that`
`01:39.27`	`farruinn`	`it's a pain though because if you don't stop it in time it wastes a crap load of paper`
`01:39.33`	`MrKennie`	`I used apsfilter with my laser printer`
`01:39.47`	`MrKennie`	`pretty cool, nice and easy to setup`
`01:42.46`	`MrKennie`	`time for sleep.. night`
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`02:12.19`	`farruinn`	`sending a test page isn't supposed to print out pages of nonsensical stuff is it?`
`02:15.20`	`markedwards`	`sourdough: fixed the dependency thing, thanks! I'll file a bug.`
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`02:20.21`	`bill_c`	`i'm a ppc nood, are the nic's needing the bmac module pci?\`
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`03:00.38`	`simonrvn`	`bill_c: only if you need that`
`03:01.48`	`drbyte`	`wow, scary message`
`03:01.49`	`drbyte`	`Out of Memory: Killed process 23349 (piecewise).`
`03:02.00`	`drbyte`	`thats a frist for me`
`03:03.07`	`simonrvn`	`you ran out of swap`
`03:04.41`	`drbyte`	`how did that happen?`
`03:05.04`	`drbyte`	`i have 1/2 a gig`
`03:05.05`	`arcady`	`better to kill something than to start swapping furiously and essentially hang the system`
`03:05.14`	`arcady`	`probably a memory leak`
`03:05.22`	`arcady`	`or a program assuming infinite memory`
`03:06.21`	`drbyte`	`hmm. i only wish i knew what 23349 was then`
`03:06.27`	`drbyte`	`process i mean`
`03:06.31`	`simonrvn`	`i have 768 MB here, it can run out (i haven't yet, but i've hit over 50% a few times)`
`03:07.01`	`sourdough`	`the OOM killer is kinda dumb..`
`03:07.07`	`sourdough`	`it was removed in 2.4.23`
`03:08.22`	`drbyte`	`oh. okay. it shows its time to get 2.6 anyways`
`03:19.29`	`Sam-I-Am`	`yo yo homies`
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`04:58.01`	`arcady`	`seems unlikely`
`04:58.09`	`arcady`	`never even heard of that, in fact`
`04:58.30`	`mzilikazi`	`IMS Twin Turbo`
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`10:32.27`	`cy_`	`'lo :)`
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`10:36.17`		`hello, myxtie`
`10:36.38`	`myXtie`	`~ cy_ hi`
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`10:41.55`	`simonrvn`	`@say hi cy_`
`10:41.56`	`ravenbird`	`error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required)`
`10:42.02`	`simonrvn`	`wtf?`
`10:42.09`	`simonrvn`	`sigh`
`10:42.14`	`simonrvn`	`gotta fix that...`
`10:44.17`	`sourdough`	`heh`
`10:44.31`	`sourdough`	`is that a permission error of sorts?`
`10:44.40`	`simonrvn`	`yeh`
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`10:44.51`	`simonrvn`	`fixed now`
`10:44.54`	`sourdough`	`rather obfuscated error message`
`10:45.04`	`sourdough`	`@say foad`
`10:45.09`	`ravenbird`	`foad`
`10:45.12`	`sourdough`	`heh`
`10:45.16`	`simonrvn`	`:)`
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`12:25.05`	`threepwood`	`is ppc.bkbits.net down?`
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`12:53.41`	`Jeedo`	`does anyone here have tc or tcng setup?`
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`13:08.32`	`dondelelcaro`	`I'm trying to find the interpolated modes for the powerbook titanium g4 [the first revision]`
`13:08.49`	`dondelelcaro`	`anyone know where they would be? [or how to go about calculating them?`
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`13:58.43`	`Bor_Ed`	`is blackdown 1.3 603 code ? (says 'illegal instruction' and crashes on 601)`
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`14:10.26`	`Bor_Ed`	`nm, got it running`
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`14:32.50`	`spacecowboy`	`simonrvn: you home?`
`14:32.52`	`spacecowboy`	`simonrvn: :)`
`14:37.41`	`spacecowboy`	`anyone in here using xfs?`
`14:38.15`	`spacecowboy`	`sourdough will you talk to me in here?`
`14:38.26`	`spacecowboy`	`i have a question about xfs because i'm in love with it ;p`
`14:38.42`	`spacecowboy`	`dude did you apply the patches to a 2.4.23-pre5-ben0`
`14:38.58`	`jc-denton`	`whats so better in xfs?`
`14:39.22`	`dude`	`spacecowboy: nope, 2.6`
`14:39.40`	`dude`	`jc-denton: atomic writes, faster than ext2 (except for writing)`
`14:40.18`	`jc-denton`	`humm`
`14:41.29`	`bighawk`	`dude: ext3 also has atomic writes, note that the writes are in fact not truely atomic`
`14:41.51`	`dude`	`bighawk: hi there ;-)`
`14:41.56`	`bighawk`	`dude: it's just that they can be undone when the log is replayed after a crash`
`14:42.08`	`spacecowboy`	`well i suppose i should just stay with this:`
`14:42.12`	`spacecowboy`	`Linux thor 2.6.1-rc1-ben1 #1 Wed Dec 31 16:35:38 EST 2003 ppc GNU/Linux`
`14:42.37`	`bighawk`	`dude: tried 2.6.1-rc1-ben* yet?`
`14:42.40`	`Bor_Ed`	`hmm, how can I get the javaplugin to work on firebird ? doesn't work when I ln the lib to ~/.phoenix/plugins`
`14:42.49`	`dude`	`bighawk: results in the same (ext3)`
`14:43.02`	`dude`	`bighawk: nope, 2.6.0-ben2 runs just fine here`
`14:43.40`	`dude`	`Bor_Ed: try the mozilla plugins dir (a guess, galeon does it that way)`
`14:43.58`	`spacecowboy`	`bighawk and dude they all run fine`
`14:44.00`	`Bor_Ed`	`doesn't show when I ln it to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins either :/`
`14:44.01`	`dude`	`bighawk: b/c of sleep for g4 ?`
`14:44.09`	`spacecowboy`	`2.6 has done much better than the starting 2.4`
`14:44.12`	`spacecowboy`	`'s`
`14:44.13`	`spacecowboy`	`;p`
`14:44.19`	`spacecowboy`	`well even though i haven't been around this long`
`14:44.21`	`spacecowboy`	`its what i hear`
`14:44.22`	`dude`	`Bor_Ed: group-googled yet ?`
`14:44.34`	`bighawk`	`dude: does 2.6.0-rc1-ben* have sleep for g4??`
`14:44.39`	`bighawk`	`ibook g4`
`14:44.49`	`Bor_Ed`	`aww, just found out that /usr/lib/mozilla-firebird/plugins exists... another try :)`
`14:44.54`	`dude`	`spacecowboy: not a single crash here with 2.6 (or anything else bad)`
`14:45.02`	`dude`	`bighawk: nope;`
`14:45.28`	`spacecowboy`	`yea`
`14:45.30`	`spacecowboy`	`i agree`
`14:45.49`	`spacecowboy`	`dude: i think it does for the ibook g4`
`14:45.57`	`spacecowboy`	`bighawk ... i think it does`
`14:46.05`	`dude`	`spacecowboy: think or tried ?`
`14:46.08`	`Bor_Ed`	`stil ldoesn't show :o`
`14:46.13`	`dude`	`bighawk: http://ppc.bkbits.net:8080/linuxppc-2.5-benh/index.html`
`14:46.14`	`spacecowboy`	`i have a tibook 1ghz like bens`
`14:46.24`	`spacecowboy`	`so my hardware is always fine ;p`
`14:47.00`	`dude`	`bighawk: --> changelogs for benh-kernel, you might wanna watch 'em to see if it's eventually added`
`14:47.17`	`bighawk`	`ah, well, wont upgrade then`
`14:47.42`	`dude`	`bighawk: that has changed is that with -rc1 cpufreq is supported`
`14:47.49`	`dude`	`s/that/what/`
`14:47.53`	`bighawk`	`i can't resolve ppc.bkbits.net :/`
`14:49.24`	`dude`	`bighawk: url is correct, can't connect either though`
`14:50.35`	`dude`	`bighawk: 192.132.92.3:8080/tcp filtered http-proxy`
`14:50.54`	`dude`	`bighawk: should eventually come back ;-)`
`14:51.05`	`bighawk`	`guess so`
`14:51.28`	`spacecowboy`	`bighawk bkbits sucks`
`14:51.32`	`spacecowboy`	`bighawk rsync`
`14:51.46`	`bighawk`	`rsync doesnt give commit logs`
`14:51.51`	`spacecowboy`	`so....`
`14:51.53`	`Bor_Ed`	`seems that friggin plugin doesn't work at all with firebird (requires gcc3.2 compiled 1.4.2 according to moz FAQ`
`14:51.59`	`bighawk`	`that was his point of showing this`
`14:52.03`	`bighawk`	`so you can check what's new`
`14:52.34`	`spacecowboy`	`Bor_Ed that sucks`
`14:52.42`	`Bor_Ed`	`monkey dick :/`
`14:52.50`	`bighawk`	`no it works`
`14:52.56`	`bighawk`	`you're doing it wrong i bet`
`14:53.02`	`Bor_Ed`	`there's 1.4.x on apt source but unstable picks up the 1.3.1`
`14:53.03`	`bighawk`	`did you use a symlink? or did you copy it over`
`14:53.11`	`Bor_Ed`	`I've tried both ways`
`14:53.14`	`bighawk`	`you _have_ to use the symlink`
`14:53.19`	`Bor_Ed`	`and on global and local plugin dirs`
`14:53.21`	`bighawk`	`copying over will not work.`
`14:53.45`	`bighawk`	`place it in your java directory, and link to it from the mozilla plugin dir`
`14:54.15`	`Bor_Ed`	`fi:/usr/lib/mozilla-firebird/plugins#`
`14:54.15`	`Bor_Ed`	`lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 58 Jan 4 17:03 javaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/lib/j2se/1.3/jre/plugin/ppc/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so`
`14:54.26`	`Bor_Ed`	`I'd say it _should_ work ?-o`
`14:54.31`	`bighawk`	`why 1.3?`
`14:54.39`	`Bor_Ed`	`blackdown latest on apt`
`14:54.46`	`bighawk`	`that's dated shit`
`14:54.56`	`bighawk`	`is there no java 1.4.1+ for linux/ppc?`
`14:55.01`	`Bor_Ed`	`doesn't seem so`
`14:55.06`	`bighawk`	`eww, that sucks`
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`14:55.17`	`bighawk`	`can't do java development on linux/ppc then`
`14:55.18`	`Bor_Ed`	`deb ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/languages/java/jdk/blackdown.org/debian unstable main non-free`
`14:55.21`	`bighawk`	`i need 1.4.1+`
`14:55.23`	`Bor_Ed`	`is the source I use`
`14:56.01`	`Bor_Ed`	`it has 1.4.x but friggin doesn't pick on sid`
`14:56.03`	`bighawk`	`just install it manually then?`
`14:56.25`	`Bor_Ed`	`I saw only x86 ver of the 1.4.x on pool, rechecking tho`
`14:56.37`	`bighawk`	`is there no source?`
`14:56.42`	`bighawk`	`can't you compile it from scratch then?`
`14:56.54`	`Bor_Ed`	`can't compile, 601/90 with 64 megs ram :P`
`14:58.40`	`Bor_Ed`	`ftp.funet.fi/pub/languages/java/jdk/blackdown.org/debian/pool/non-free/j <<--not much choices`
`14:58.45`	`bighawk`	`lol`
`14:58.53`	`bighawk`	`you dont want to run java on a 601/90 with 64mb ram anyway`
`14:59.39`	`Bor_Ed`	`actaully I do... some sites like to work with java :/`
`15:00.02`	`Bor_Ed`	`or maybe I shoulda install galeon/jre to 486 ?-p`
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`15:06.26`	`Bor_Ed`	`hmm, the blackdown requires mox >=0.9.1 ... isn't firebird one ?`
`15:16.51`	`Bor_Ed`	`oh well, time to pick up the ibm java rte :)`
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`15:31.37`	`Bor_Ed`	`http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/linux140/`
`15:44.32`	`Bor_Ed`	`jre1.4.1 and sdk1.4.1 (pseries linuxppc32 and get tarballs)`
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`16:32.43`	`jcm`	`i regularly get: bash: grep command not found when i pipe two commands with a space, like in "ps -A \| grep ls"; it works with "ps -A \|grep ls". Any objective info on why this occurs ?`
`16:33.13`	`jcm`	`i regularly get: bash: grep command not found when i pipe two commands with a space, like in "ps -A \| grep ls"; it works with "ps -A \|grep ls". Any objective info on why this occurs ?`
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`17:54.55`	`Hans-Martin`	`hi folks`
`17:55.10`	`Hans-Martin`	`- and happy new year to all...`
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`18:07.18`	`Firehand`	`hi, are there any known problems with apache in testing?`
`18:07.37`	`Firehand`	`i get this when i try to start it: /etc/init.d/apache: line 70: 39 Segmentation fault start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON`
`18:12.53`	`Firehand`	`on the other hand apache2 starts ...`
`18:13.36`	`Curalton`	`apachectl configtest ?`
`18:14.37`	`Firehand`	`/usr/sbin/apachectl: line 171: 17654 Segmentation fault $HTTPD -t`
`18:14.40`	`Firehand`	`same`
`18:17.22`	`jcm`	`ah, i get the same thing :(`
`18:17.35`	`jcm`	`didn't solve it yet, i upgraded to testing some days ago`
`18:19.07`	`Firehand`	`jcm: seems to be there since a few days...`
`18:19.32`	`Firehand`	`is there a possibility to get older packages of apache?`
`18:20.10`	`Firehand`	`or has someone php4 apache2 deb's for testing/ppc? ;>`
`18:20.41`	`jcm`	`really don't know, you need to try for dependencies; see apt-get.org maybe`
`18:25.16`	`Firehand`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:25.19`	`Firehand`	`and not for testing`
`18:27.22`	`dude`	`Firehand: google for snapshot,debian,archiv; there is an archiv where you can get .debs by dates`
`18:30.19`	`Firehand`	`seems i need to build php4 apache2 debs for testing myself...`
`18:34.11`	`Firehand`	`dude: i build now php4-4.2.3 for apache2`
`18:34.26`	`Firehand`	`so i can throw apache1 to /dev/null :)`
`18:37.02`	`powerbook`	`Hi @ all, Since 6 weeks I'm a happy PPC/Linux user. I use Java Runtime Environment build Blackdown-1.3.1-02c-FCS. For some reason I need JRE 1.4.x for PPC. Are there other and newer prebuilt JRE's available than blackdown's?`
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`18:40.38`	`batbeak`	`I've got an old world g3... how do I make it boot from the floppy?`
`18:41.20`	`Hans-Martin`	`batbeak: you probably need to create a mini MacOS floppy...`
`18:42.00`	`Hans-Martin`	`do you have no hard disk in the machine?`
`18:42.33`	`batbeak`	`yes, I'm trying to put debian on it, and have the root and rescue floppies made...`
`18:43.32`	`Hans-Martin`	`hmmm... might be easier to do the disk partitioning from MacOS - I don't think OW macs can boot from Linux floppies`
`18:43.43`	`Hans-Martin`	`but I'm not really sure...`
`18:45.08`	`Hans-Martin`	`I have debian on my beige G3 along with MacOS on another partition`
`18:46.55`	`batbeak`	`can I have debian only on it?`
`18:47.40`	`Hans-Martin`	`it's probably not possible - but as I said, I'm not a real expert on that issue...`
`18:48.08`	`Hans-Martin`	`if your HD is big enough, why not waste a few MB for a MacOS partition ? :-)`
`18:48.54`	`batbeak`	`Its a new-to-me computer, I just wanted to start fresh. it's already got os 9~ and osX on it...`
`18:49.22`	`batbeak`	`and bootx comes up with yellow dog, but the kernel panics.`
`18:49.34`	`batbeak`	`I wanted to start over.`
`18:50.01`	`Hans-Martin`	`understood...`
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`18:50.46`	`Hans-Martin`	`but I think you should really put a minimal MacOS on it (if you have the original installation disks that would be easiest)`
`18:52.08`	`batbeak`	`nope, no install disks...`
`18:53.18`	`Hans-Martin`	`sounds a bit difficult...`
`18:54.07`	`Hans-Martin`	`you should maybe drop in later when real experts are around :-)`
`18:54.27`	`comar`	`hi all, I have posted this on 12-06-2003 but I had no answer. Is there one now ? http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2003/debian-powerpc-200312/msg00613.html`
`18:55.11`	`batbeak`	`k, thanks!`
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`19:02.11`	`Hans-Martin`	`comar: no idea...`
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`19:08.45`	`PluueeR`	`working on my iMac`
`19:08.48`	`PluueeR`	`Wmaker :)`
`19:11.41`	`jc\|ibook`	`cool`
`19:11.42`	`Curalton`	`wmaker indeed`
`19:12.15`	`Curalton`	`yep, ibook, despite 1024 x 768 is a bit tight`
`19:12.21`	`PluueeR`	`my Mac is only 233 Mhz :)`
`19:12.25`	`Curalton`	`s/is a bit/being/`
`19:12.29`	`PluueeR`	`zo dis is kinda nice, Debian Testing btw`
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`19:13.07`	`PluueeR`	`only thing is that I want my custom menu, in slackware there was a menu file in the home dir in debian it's all configured by apt I guess`
`19:15.21`	`PluueeR`	`and my fonts are kinda weird with GTK apps en webpages`
`19:19.00`	`jc\|ibook`	`anybody here running silc on ppc?`
`19:19.16`	`PluueeR`	`is that Unstable ?`
`19:23.28`	`jc\|ibook`	`silc?`
`19:25.02`	`simonrvn`	`another irc-like protocol`
`19:25.21`	`jc\|ibook`	`yes but crypto enabled`
`19:25.21`	`simonrvn`	`secure by default, stuff like that. they have a project page somewhere`
`19:25.35`	`jc\|ibook`	`and some otherenhancements`
`19:25.38`	`jc\|ibook`	`silcnet.org`
`19:25.39`	`simonrvn`	`yup`
`19:25.43`	`simonrvn`	`that's it`
`19:25.44`	`simonrvn`	`:)`
`19:26.22`	`jc\|ibook`	`also people are not identified by nicks, 2 or more users can use the same nick`
`19:26.55`	`simonrvn`	`yeh`
`19:27.44`	`jc\|ibook`	`u use it simonrvn ?`
`19:28.04`	`simonrvn`	`i know of it, but no i don't use it`
`19:28.16`	`jc\|ibook`	`same here`
`19:29.41`	`simonrvn`	`i know this network is trying to expand upon the irc protocol, cuz they think it needs an ovehaul. just how they'll do that i don't know. but i've seen the ircops discuss this on more than one ocassion`
`19:29.46`	`simonrvn`	`occasion*`
`19:32.01`	`Hans-Martin`	`irc is a whole mess of kludges - but to really replace it is not a small job...`
`19:33.08`	`simonrvn`	`no kidding :)`
`19:33.34`	`simonrvn`	`modern irc anyway. a lof networks put in their own kludge, and/or borrow from others`
`19:33.43`	`simonrvn`	`a lot of*`
`19:34.31`	`Hans-Martin`	`leavg out some letrs stl wrks qit wel`
`19:34.33`	`Hans-Martin`	`:-)`
`19:34.39`	`simonrvn`	`hehe`
`19:39.11`	`jc\|ibook`	`heh`
`19:39.22`	`jc\|ibook`	`silc is leeter cos its encrypted :)`
`19:39.28`	`simonrvn`	`heh`
`19:40.00`	`jc\|ibook`	`is there something like ctcp?`
`19:40.21`	`simonrvn`	`can't remember`
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`20:27.38`	`vash_`	`what does a DEFAULT CATCH! error mean?`
`20:27.58`	`Hans-Martin`	`in what context?`
`20:28.02`	`vash_`	`well`
`20:28.29`	`vash_`	`when i build a kernel for my g4, using make-kpkg, then install the kernel and reboot, i get that error instead of loading debian`
`20:30.12`	`Hans-Martin`	`hmmm... have you grepped the sources for that string?`
`20:30.15`	`chlunde`	`vash_: Probably something you've done wrong when you configured the kernel, start out with the .config from a recent debian kernel.`
`20:30.41`	`vash_`	`i've built kernel images before for x86, but never ppc`
`20:30.48`	`vash_`	`i downloaded the sources for 2.6.0-test11`
`20:30.53`	`simonrvn`	`Hans-Martin: grepping OF isn't really feasible :)`
`20:31.16`	`vash_`	`make mrproper; make menuconfig; make-kpkg kernel-image; dpkg -i ../kernel-image... .deb`
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`20:31.24`	`simonrvn`	`vash_: get benh's rsync, or something more recent`
`20:31.35`	`Hans-Martin`	`Oh I didn't know that it's an OF error - /me has an old world mac...`
`20:31.36`	`vash_`	`what about a vanilla 2.6.0?`
`20:32.37`	`vash_`	`am i missing something with building and installing the kernel for ppc?`
`20:36.44`	`vash_`	`do i need to use ybin -v after installing the kernel?`
`20:38.17`	`Curalton`	`only if you changed yaboot.conf`
`20:39.37`	`Firehand`	`Curalton: Apache/2.0.47 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.2.3`
`20:39.38`	`Firehand`	`:)`
`20:39.59`	`Firehand`	`i removed that segfaulting apache1`
`20:40.22`	`Curalton`	`hmm, so debian has php4 packets for apache2 now`
`20:40.57`	`Firehand`	`not really :)`
`20:41.04`	`Firehand`	`i took some 4.2.3 deb sources`
`20:41.16`	`Firehand`	`and a bit of other stuff i found on apt-get.org`
`20:41.32`	`Firehand`	`throwed them in one pot and compiled it :)`
`20:41.48`	`Firehand`	`i only found some packages available for sid/i386`
`20:42.04`	`Curalton`	`eww, ok. never mind then`
`20:42.07`	`Curalton`	`:)`
`20:42.10`	`Firehand`	`:)`
`20:43.05`	`Firehand`	`perhaps i build 4.3.3 deb's later`
`20:43.20`	`Firehand`	`but now i'm do a bit of testing ...`
`20:44.12`	`Firehand`	`and ldap is not working atm... i need to backport ldap from sid too :(`
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`21:39.17`	`_mechanix`	`Hi people!`
`21:45.12`	`simonrvn`	`hi`
`21:46.09`	`_mechanix`	`anybody's using old powermacs here?`
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`21:48.33`	`_mechanix`	`hi Bor_Ed !`
`21:49.09`	`Bor_Ed`	`yo`
`21:49.28`	`_mechanix`	`how u're doing?`
`21:49.55`	`Bor_Ed`	`getting a nap soon, work in 3 hours`
`21:51.54`	`_mechanix`	`what time is it !?`
`21:52.01`	`_mechanix`	`here is about 20:00...`
`21:53.19`	`spacecowboy`	`@kernel`
`21:53.33`	`spacecowboy`	`~kernel`
`21:53.50`	`Bor_Ed`	`about midnight`
`21:55.07`	`_mechanix`	`hmmm....`
`21:55.19`	`_mechanix`	`using ur powermac 7300?`
`21:56.53`	`_mechanix`	`how is ur performance in it?`
`21:57.08`	`_mechanix`	`i'm getting cool performance in my powermac 8500/150`
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`21:57.48`	`vash_`	`anyone familiar with cpu optimizations for powerpc?`
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`21:58.20`	`_mechanix`	`the only thing i have to afford is some old memory for it....right now it's only with 64mb ... i think more 64mb will help it a lot...since i'm constantly using swap memory ;/`
`21:58.30`	`Curalton`	`vash_: gentoo ppl, i guess: http://www.freehackers.org/gentoo/gccflags/flag_gcc3.html`
`21:59.20`	`_mechanix`	`isn't optimization breaking some code in ppc?`
`21:59.51`	`vash_`	`thanks curalton`
`22:00.07`	`vash_`	`i'm trying to figure out which optimizations i can use for my machine`
`22:00.13`	`vash_`	`i barely know anything about macs`
`22:01.15`	`Bor_Ed`	`I've got pmac 7200/90 and performance on this is usually good/excellent`
`22:01.42`	`vash_`	`i think i have a G4 PCI -- 400mhz, pci ATI card`
`22:01.56`	`vash_`	`but i'm not sure if i can use POWER4 optimizations or 74xx optimizations`
`22:02.03`	`vash_`	`i can output cpuinfo if someone can help`
`22:02.33`	`simonrvn`	`no, not power4`
`22:02.57`	`simonrvn`	`if you have a g4, you use g4 opts`
`22:03.17`	`_mechanix`	`paste a cpuinfo ....`
`22:03.17`	`simonrvn`	`(doesn't matter regardless)`
`22:03.27`	`vash_`	`cpu : 7400, altivec supported`
`22:03.27`	`vash_`	`temperature : 18-20 C (uncalibrated)`
`22:03.27`	`vash_`	`clock : 400MHz`
`22:03.27`	`vash_`	`revision : 2.6 (pvr 000c 0206)`
`22:03.27`	`vash_`	`bogomips : 796.26`
`22:03.28`	`vash_`	`machine : PowerMac1,2`
`22:03.30`	`vash_`	`motherboard : PowerMac1,2 PowerMac1,1 MacRISC Power Macintosh`
`22:03.32`	`vash_`	`detected as : 67 (PowerMac G4 PCI Graphics)`
`22:03.34`	`vash_`	`pmac flags : 00000000`
`22:03.36`	`vash_`	`L2 cache : 1024K unified`
`22:03.38`	`vash_`	`memory : 224MB`
`22:03.40`	`vash_`	`pmac-generation : NewWorld`
`22:03.41`	`simonrvn`	`see? MacRISC`
`22:03.42`	`vash_`	`i chose 74xx as the cpu optimizations`
`22:04.03`	`vash_`	`ok, i'm unfamiliar with most of apple hardware`
`22:04.09`	`vash_`	`i'm from x86 land`
`22:04.21`	`simonrvn`	`yes, it would be 74XX`
`22:04.32`	`_mechanix`	`my oldworld also says MacRISC`
`22:04.38`	`_mechanix`	`74xx no doubt`
`22:04.57`	`vash_`	`thanks!`
`22:04.57`	`_mechanix`	`isn't power4 the 64bit processor from ibm or something?`
`22:05.02`	`simonrvn`	`power4 isn't macrisc, that's why i pointed that out`
`22:05.07`	`_mechanix`	`strange....`
`22:05.14`	`vash_`	`so if the motherboard stated G4, then i could use the g4 stuff?`
`22:05.19`	`_mechanix`	`hmmmm kewl ;)`
`22:05.47`	`vash_`	`when i read the detected as PowerMac G4, i assumed i could use those optimizations`
`22:05.55`	`vash_`	`it seems like i really have a G3 + altivec then`
`22:05.59`	`_mechanix`	`one thing : your bogomips... 796.26 .... u're using what kernel !?`
`22:06.04`	`simonrvn`	`no, g4 is g4`
`22:06.15`	`simonrvn`	`it isn't g3 + altivec`
`22:06.26`	`vash_`	`my kernel is debian, unstable 2.4.22`
`22:06.29`	`simonrvn`	`e.g., 603 =! 604`
`22:06.47`	`_mechanix`	`coz my girlfriend has a ibook (dual-usb) G3 600mhz and it rings 1140 bogomips...and its a G3 ....`
`22:06.55`	`simonrvn`	`g3 is based on 603, and g4 is another new one entirely`
`22:07.14`	`_mechanix`	`603? the old processor?`
`22:07.21`	`simonrvn`	`and g5 has power4 aspects`
`22:07.39`	`_mechanix`	`g5 is true 64bit huh?`
`22:07.42`	`simonrvn`	`at least code was borrowed from power4 to make the g5 stuff in linux`
`22:08.06`	`simonrvn`	`yes. ppc was deigned from the ground up to be 64bit`
`22:08.09`	`_mechanix`	`offtopic : how do i print/cat a file under BitchX ...i want to show u fellas something`
`22:08.11`	`Bor_Ed`	`isn't ppc970 based on power3 cpus ?`
`22:08.48`	`Bor_Ed`	`at least that's what I've gathered :o`
`22:09.02`	`vash_`	`what kind of cpu could i upgrade this mac to?`
`22:09.10`	`vash_`	`could i get one of the sonnet 500s?`
`22:09.15`	`vash_`	`what would be the fastest?`
`22:09.17`	`simonrvn`	`probably. but like i said, the power4 code was borrowed`
`22:09.43`	`Bor_Ed`	`power4 is only 64 bit... and power3 had 32 bit code in core too`
`22:10.38`	`_mechanix`	`anybody knows what kind of CPU upgrade is likely to work on linux using oldworld's ?`
`22:10.54`	`_mechanix`	`i have a powermac 8500 ... and i was thinking in a g3 upgrade...`
`22:11.31`	`simonrvn`	`that works. you can put g4 in there too. limiting factor is the bus speed`
`22:11.31`	`Bor_Ed`	`check www.lowendmac.com to see what kinda upgrades are available`
`22:11.41`	`bighawk`	`hi`
`22:13.18`	`_mechanix`	`no , i've already studied all options`
`22:13.38`	`_mechanix`	`under mac os all work fine .....(i've already gone to lowendmac.com in past)`
`22:14.02`	`Bor_Ed`	`should work in linux just the same`
`22:14.11`	`_mechanix`	`but , i see a bunch of people yelling in debian-powerpc mail list about G3 upgrades making system instable , unbootable, freezing etc)`
`22:14.20`	`_mechanix`	`ANY cpu upgrade?`
`22:14.36`	`_mechanix`	`some people reports that sonnet work fine , some don't , some do about XLR8....`
`22:14.38`	`Bor_Ed`	`with right kernel, I'd assume so`
`22:14.55`	`_mechanix`	`right kernel?`
`22:15.14`	`Bor_Ed`	`you need to compile support for the buggr`
`22:15.30`	`_mechanix`	`buggr?`
`22:16.07`	`Bor_Ed`	`card/cpu`
`22:16.21`	`_mechanix`	`for a example , right now i'm having some sporadic crashes in kernel....`
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`22:16.38`	`_mechanix`	`where do i config this?`
`22:16.40`	`Bor_Ed`	`I have such too...`
`22:16.53`	`_mechanix`	`some times my kernel just gives me OOPS!`
`22:16.57`	`Bor_Ed`	`without upgrade board :I`
`22:16.59`	`_mechanix`	`and i don't even know why....`
`22:17.37`	`_mechanix`	`but for now....today...i'm with the system UP 16h12m.... no crashes or oops in kernel...`
`22:17.42`	`_mechanix`	`strange strange strange....`
`22:18.09`	`_mechanix`	`one month ago i bought some generic PCI USB board for PC , saying "mac compatible" in box....`
`22:18.41`	`_mechanix`	`it works here... i can use my USB mouse okz.... but i'm thinking somehow this board affected system's stability...`
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`22:19.37`	`_mechanix`	`i stopped using USB, not even loading its modules (usb-core and usb-uhci), but my system keeps ramdomically crashing`
`22:20.07`	`_mechanix`	`soh i was thinking.... this could be de PCI USB Board , even if i weren't using it?`
`22:20.28`	`_mechanix`	`my boot messages say's strange things about via irq fixup xx xxx....`
`22:21.02`	`_mechanix`	`anybody can help!?`
`22:21.34`	`Bor_Ed`	`this sys crashes every 11 days... haven't found out what's causing it`
`22:23.12`	`_mechanix`	`crashes how?`
`22:23.15`	`_mechanix`	`u get ramdom OOPS!?`
`22:23.23`	`simonrvn`	`_mechanix: try another slot. i have a machine here with picky slots`
`22:23.34`	`Bor_Ed`	`kernel just hangs up`
`22:23.41`	`_mechanix`	`picky slots ?! ehhehehehe`
`22:23.56`	`simonrvn`	`Bor_Ed: my old one used to crash every 4 days.. 2.6.x, no such problem. dunno why`
`22:24.01`	`_mechanix`	`here is like a summer storm`
`22:24.29`	`_mechanix`	`all quite calm, using all of its power , compiling applications , using net , downloading , irc, icq , mozilla...`
`22:24.37`	`Bor_Ed`	`simonrvn: build a kernel with 7200 fb, pcnet and all the ppp and iptables junk and I'll try :)`
`22:24.49`	`_mechanix`	`and , suddenly , "Ayeee! Killing interrupt Handler..." ehhehehe ;D`
`22:25.03`	`Bor_Ed`	`oh, and fast scsi support, this 5MB/s is _slow_`
`22:25.04`	`_mechanix`	`here 8500 is controlfb ....`
`22:25.14`	`simonrvn`	`gimme a few days, and i will.`
`22:25.22`	`Bor_Ed`	`:)`
`22:25.34`	`_mechanix`	`i'm using the kernel that came with yellow dog (my debian fucked, i'm dist-upgrading it by chroot)`
`22:25.57`	`_mechanix`	`in yellowdog3 , kernel is 2.4.20`
`22:26.11`	`_mechanix`	`in stock...the crashes happen less`
`22:26.15`	`Bor_Ed`	`I'm running unstable 2.4.22 here`
`22:26.27`	`Bor_Ed`	`2.4.22-powerpc`
`22:27.20`	`Bor_Ed`	`time to get a nap before fscking work ...`
`22:27.31`	`bighawk`	`you dont have a fun job?`
`22:29.36`	`_mechanix`	`but when i built my own kernel`
`22:29.55`	`_mechanix`	`crashes starting to happen all the time , even if i left the system untouched....`
`22:30.14`	`_mechanix`	`one day...only finishing startup , i logged in tty1 and left bash alone.....`
`22:30.28`	`_mechanix`	`15m later the kernel crashed badly....`
`22:30.34`	`*** part/#debianppc bill_c\|out (~bill@CPE-65-30-100-120.kc.rr.com)`
`22:30.53`	`_mechanix`	`so , u guyz can see this is pretty random`
`22:30.59`	`vash_`	`thanks for the lowendmac site`
`22:31.09`	`vash_`	`now i know i have a "yikes" system`
`22:31.22`	`vash_`	`550mhz max upgrade`
`22:31.29`	`vash_`	`too expensive, i'll skip`
`22:34.53`	`_mechanix`	`sell me your yikes!`
`22:34.54`	`_mechanix`	`;)`
`22:35.21`	`vash_`	`shoot i think i could get like $150 for it on ebay`
`22:35.28`	`vash_`	`cant be worth much`
`22:35.35`	`vash_`	`besides, it was a freebie :)`
`22:35.38`	`_mechanix`	`100 bucks ;)`
`22:35.55`	`_mechanix`	`anyone know about this crashes !?`
`22:35.56`	`vash_`	`i want a mac, but i'm not paying the steve jobs tax of owning a new one`
`22:36.24`	`_mechanix`	`macs are fucking spicier than pcs...`
`22:40.15`	`_mechanix`	`hey people , take a look at this`
`22:40.16`	`_mechanix`	`Found 00:58 [106b/0001] 000600 00`
`22:40.16`	`_mechanix`	`Found 00:78 [1106/3038] 000c03 00`
`22:40.16`	`_mechanix`	`Found 00:79 [1106/3038] 000c03 00`
`22:40.16`	`_mechanix`	`Found 00:7a [1106/3104] 000c03 00`
`22:40.16`	`_mechanix`	`Found 00:80 [106b/0002] 00ff00 00`
`22:40.17`	`_mechanix`	`Fixups for bus 00`
`22:40.19`	`_mechanix`	`Bus scan for 00 returning with max=00`
`22:40.21`	`_mechanix`	`Scanning bus 01`
`22:40.23`	`_mechanix`	`Found 01:58 [106b/0003] 000000 00`
`22:40.25`	`_mechanix`	`Found 01:68 [106b/0004] 00ff00 00`
`22:40.27`	`_mechanix`	`Fixups for bus 01`
`22:40.29`	`_mechanix`	`Bus scan for 01 returning with max=01`
`22:40.31`	`_mechanix`	`PCI:00:10.0: Resource 0: f3000000-f301ffff (f=200), vd: 106b, dev: 0002`
`22:40.33`	`_mechanix`	`PCI:00:0f.0: Resource 4: 00000420-0000043f (f=101), vd: 1106, dev: 3038`
`22:40.35`	`_mechanix`	`PCI:00:0f.1: Resource 4: 00000400-0000041f (f=101), vd: 1106, dev: 3038`
`22:40.37`	`_mechanix`	`PCI:00:0f.2: Resource 0: 80800000-808000ff (f=200), vd: 1106, dev: 3104`
`22:40.39`	`_mechanix`	`PCI:01:0b.0: Resource 1: 90000000-9000ffff (f=200), vd: 106b, dev: 0003`
`22:40.41`	`_mechanix`	`PCI:01:0b.0: Resource 2: 94000000-97ffffff (f=200), vd: 106b, dev: 0003`
`22:40.43`	`_mechanix`	`PCI:01:0d.0: Resource 0: 90000000-900003ff (f=200), vd: 106b, dev: 0004`
`22:40.45`	`_mechanix`	`resource conflict with: 90000000..9000ffff (200), name: Apple Computer Inc. Control Video`
`22:40.47`	`_mechanix`	`PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 0 of device 01:0d.0`
`22:40.49`	`_mechanix`	`PCI: parent is c0352068: 90000000-9fffffff (f=200)`
`22:40.51`	`_mechanix`	`PCI: Via IRQ fixup for 00:0f.0, from 25 to 9`
`22:40.53`	`_mechanix`	`PCI: Via IRQ fixup for 00:0f.1, from 25 to 9`
`22:40.57`	`_mechanix`	`this is the pci scanning part of the start of kernel...`
`22:44.38`	`simonrvn`	`yes, i get that eitheron a 7500, or an 8500. no biggie. probably a minor kernel bug`
`22:44.56`	`_mechanix`	`u get the resource conflict thing too !?`
`22:45.14`	`_mechanix`	`okz....hardware is ok....`
`22:45.27`	`_mechanix`	`that via IRQ fixup started when i put the fucking pci usb board on....`
`22:46.15`	`_mechanix`	`i'm not using it right now , i'm relying on 1 button ADB mouse... but when i turn on the usb support , probably sooner or later the kernel will crash....`
`22:46.32`	`_mechanix`	`u have a 7500 and 8500?`
`22:47.19`	`simonrvn`	`yup`
`22:48.29`	`_mechanix`	`both "linuxed" ?`
`22:50.20`	`simonrvn`	`one is, one used to be`
`22:53.19`	`_mechanix`	`used? it broke or something?`
`22:55.04`	`simonrvn`	`the 7500 is running mock os`
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`23:06.35`	`_mechanix`	`i'm back`
`23:06.41`	`_mechanix`	`simonrvn : mock os?!`
`23:06.48`	`_mechanix`	`oh, mac os ;D`
`23:09.10`	`_mechanix`	`9 ?!`
`23:14.03`	`*** part/#debianppc _mechanix (~carlos@200.157.104.127)`
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`23:16.37`	`_mechanix`	`i'm back`
`23:17.15`	`_mechanix`	`i was thinking in purchasing a XLR8 ZIF Carrier card for the 8500.....is it a good deal? anyone knows the pros/cons ?`
`23:20.40`	`simonrvn`	`yes, 9.2.2`
`23:21.00`	`simonrvn`	`can't do much better than that (the ZIF)`
`23:21.35`	`_mechanix`	`can't do why?`
`23:21.36`	`simonrvn`	`_mechanix: btw, once you find out the price, tell me how much it is, or paste the URL here, if you don't mind. TIA`
`23:21.58`	`simonrvn`	`it's an expression. means that's justabout the best you can find`
`23:22.15`	`_mechanix`	`TIA? (i'm still not familiar with geek language ;D)`
`23:22.19`	`simonrvn`	`xlr8, or sonnet`
`23:22.22`	`simonrvn`	`@tia`
`23:22.24`	`ravenbird`	`hmm... tia is the internet adaptor. It's some oldschool stuff that you had to use yonks ago. or non-free but was hacked once the md5 algorithm was cracked then came out tia2.`
`23:22.31`	`simonrvn`	`wtf?`
`23:22.40`	`simonrvn`	`@tia is also thanks in advance`
`23:22.40`	`ravenbird`	`okay, simonrvn`
`23:22.56`	`_mechanix`	`auhieaueauheaae`
`23:23.02`	`_mechanix`	`that was cool`
`23:23.09`	`_mechanix`	`that`
`23:23.29`	`_mechanix`	`that's why u don't even talk to people here in brazil bout linux`
`23:23.35`	`simonrvn`	`@dict yonk`
`23:23.40`	`ravenbird`	`could not find definition for yonk`
`23:23.48`	`simonrvn`	`@dict yonks`
`23:23.50`	`ravenbird`	`could not find definition for yonks`
`23:23.53`	`_mechanix`	`everyone is looking at windows monolith and the guyz who use linux and are not newbas are few few....`
`23:23.54`	`simonrvn`	`bah`
`23:24.08`	`simonrvn`	`yeh, i can imagine`
`23:24.13`	`_mechanix`	`ravenbird is the eggdrop?`
`23:24.14`	`ravenbird`	`_mechanix: I give up, what is it?`
`23:24.30`	`simonrvn`	`m$hit wants to guarantee they have a monopoly`
`23:24.47`	`simonrvn`	`nope. eggdrops aren't so chatty?`
`23:24.50`	`simonrvn`	`-?`
`23:25.20`	`simonrvn`	`@what are you?`
`23:25.21`	`ravenbird`	`I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>`
`23:25.29`	`_mechanix`	`no , u can't imagine , here the new "wave" is using livecd mini distros , hehehehe`
`23:25.52`	`simonrvn`	`no need for a hard drive`
`23:26.04`	`simonrvn`	`can't do much else however..`
`23:26.13`	`_mechanix`	`they use premade linux and don't even have to configure nothing`
`23:26.38`	`simonrvn`	`basically linux in a winbloze wrapper.`
`23:26.48`	`_mechanix`	`they aren't getting the taste of configuring all by hand , crack your head to find zee answer to a problem and that shit`
`23:26.56`	`simonrvn`	`exactly`
`23:27.17`	`simonrvn`	`and tweaking it to your heart's content`
`23:27.20`	`simonrvn`	`;)`
`23:27.28`	`_mechanix`	`livecds are used here for populating linux , but no one uses linux seriously here....`
`23:28.08`	`_mechanix`	`yeah , thats zee real thing of linux , if i want a /x187 char in the point 132,30 of my screen i can put it there heheheh`
`23:28.31`	`_mechanix`	`and if i wanted to make it blink blue , i could make that too, XD`
`23:29.01`	`simonrvn`	`:)`
`23:29.25`	`simonrvn`	`or read up on how to make snmp obey your slightest whim :P`
`23:29.52`	`_mechanix`	`eheheheh`
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`23:30.12`	`*** mode/#debianppc [+bbb !@nu.gg !@cvg-65-27-200-39.cinci.rr.com boycottriaa!@] by truong.freenode.net`
`23:30.12`	`*** mode/#debianppc [+b !@208.180.184.111] by truong.freenode.net`
`23:30.30`	`simonrvn`	`weee, netsplit...`
`23:34.11`	`_mechanix`	`but , one thing is baffling me... why use mock os 9.2 on a so good soul like 7500.... me thinks this is not right for such a oldie wanderer ;D`
`23:37.30`	`simonrvn`	`hehe, yeh. my wife uses it, and she doesn't want to use linux (yet ;). though she's had some exposure to FS/OSS.. ..and has seen the benefits (like web site is hosted on the 8500 for instance ;)`
`23:38.07`	`_mechanix`	`u have a website running on 8500 ?`
`23:38.11`	`_mechanix`	`ehhehehee gee!`
`23:38.16`	`_mechanix`	`full time 24/7?`
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`23:38.31`	`NewBiePPC`	`Hello`
`23:38.58`	`NewBiePPC`	`anyone in here?`
`23:39.09`	`simonrvn`	`yes, 24/7, or nearly so`
`23:39.29`	`simonrvn`	`run the dns, and other stuff`
`23:39.31`	`_mechanix`	`never crashes?`
`23:39.38`	`NewBiePPC`	`hehe`
`23:39.52`	`simonrvn`	`well, considering it's running sid, it's not doing too badly, considering`
`23:39.58`	`_mechanix`	`but u use it normally with httpd running ?`
`23:40.15`	`NewBiePPC`	`i got this problem....eh i got THESE problems..regarding installing debian on my pb12`
`23:40.21`	`NewBiePPC`	`pb12 rev b`
`23:40.48`	`simonrvn`	`yeh. even with moderate traffic, i can still use it without much slowdown, if at all. not like if i used say, appleshare ip or something`
`23:40.54`	`NewBiePPC`	`first of all installation of debian went fine.`
`23:41.11`	`_mechanix`	`u're using some G3 daughtercard ?`
`23:41.12`	`NewBiePPC`	`But i got this problem when i try to run the new compiled kernel`
`23:41.14`	`simonrvn`	`NewBiePPC: you have a recent yaboot and kernel? try the iso mentioned in the README in the /topic`
`23:41.27`	`NewBiePPC`	`yaboot worked fine!`
`23:41.32`	`simonrvn`	`_mechanix: no, i need to get a ZIF first`
`23:41.34`	`simonrvn`	`ok`
`23:42.01`	`NewBiePPC`	`"cannot open boot device.."`
`23:42.05`	`NewBiePPC`	`what is that?`
`23:42.29`	`_mechanix`	`simonrvn : so using a ZIF Carrier is better than purchasing a whole daughtercard (like Sonnet's Crescendo) ?`
`23:42.34`	`NewBiePPC`	`it seems that the system is trying to mount hda instead of hdc`
`23:42.35`	`simonrvn`	`means it can't open the boot device :). boot device is where your kernel is`
`23:42.51`	`simonrvn`	`_mechanix: cheaper to upgrade a ZIF`
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`23:43.09`	`bighawk`	`hey sourdough`
`23:43.10`	`_mechanix`	`hmmmm`
`23:43.30`	`NewBiePPC`	`simonrvn: yep, you see the bootdevice is at hdc9, but its trying to boot at hda9 which doesnt exist.`
`23:43.37`	`_mechanix`	`so it's better to get a zif and buy a processor from apple so (or used from ebay) ?`
`23:43.39`	`simonrvn`	`the zifs are a little more (because you have to get the ZIF itself) but once you have that, the cpus themselves are cheaper than getting a daughtercard-based one`
`23:44.01`	`NewBiePPC`	`anyone got similar problem?`
`23:44.07`	`simonrvn`	`NewBiePPC: you need to tell it what the real boot-device is`
`23:44.21`	`_mechanix`	`and i can upgrade de performance just by putting new processor on , is that?`
`23:44.30`	`simonrvn`	`that helps, also more ram`
`23:44.40`	`NewBiePPC`	`by using the yaboot.conf you mean?`
`23:44.50`	`simonrvn`	`no, nvsetenv`
`23:45.11`	`simonrvn`	`maybe edit yaboot.conf too, sorry`
`23:45.21`	`_mechanix`	`the problem is that i'm not going to have 2 macs.... this is my first mac , i bought it used only by the adventure of using linux in other archs...and sincerely i liked it a lot....`
`23:46.02`	`NewBiePPC`	`ive tried editing yaboot.conf to poitn to the right bootdevice`
`23:46.07`	`NewBiePPC`	`but it doesnt help`
`23:46.17`	`simonrvn`	`NewBiePPC: paste me what you have in #flood`
`23:46.31`	`_mechanix`	`but i don't need such scalability (changing processor speed only by changing ZIFs)....i only need a upgrade`
`23:46.36`	`simonrvn`	`and take cre to not paste passwords ;)`
`23:46.40`	`_mechanix`	`so i want the cheaper....`
`23:47.20`	`_mechanix`	`when i mean scalability: i will not have two macs , i'll probably not became a junk-junkie and starting to upgrading this mac`
`23:47.25`	`simonrvn`	`i already have the cpu, a g3/266, so i just need the zif. i was just explaining to you what the options were :)`
`23:47.37`	`_mechanix`	`Hmmm`
`23:47.51`	`_mechanix`	`how much u've paid on that g3/266?`
`23:48.01`	`_mechanix`	`btw : your original processor is?`
`23:48.52`	`simonrvn`	`on the 8500, it was a 604/120. it has a 604e/185 currently. i was given the g3`
`23:49.41`	`simonrvn`	`also has an external l2 cache, 512k`
`23:50.08`	`simonrvn`	`2.6.0-ben3`
`23:50.44`	`NewBiePPC`	`im not able to copy any of those text right cause im running osx`
`23:51.23`	`_mechanix`	`simonrvn : and bout yout bogomips rating!?`
`23:51.45`	`simonrvn`	`you'll need to boot to linux, off the cd, and fix the nvram`
`23:52.19`	`_mechanix`	`simonrvn : he have to get out that L2 when the G3 arrives huh? people say that the old L2 cache brings some instability to system using G3 upgrades ;)`
`23:52.30`	`simonrvn`	`bogomips : 356.35`
`23:53.43`	`simonrvn`	`yes you would. though there's another with a sonnet g3 card, and it has an l2 cache still in it. i don't know if it's been stable or not, but so far it has. the g3 has a cache, so it's redundant`
`23:53.54`	`_mechanix`	`not quite a speedup but i think its helping ....`
`23:54.08`	`NewBiePPC`	`do you know any great site describing about the installation debian on a powerbook 12?`
`23:54.22`	`_mechanix`	`BogoMips : 299.82`
`23:54.23`	`simonrvn`	`no, but google can find that for you`
`23:54.41`	`NewBiePPC`	`yeah, tried that too`
`23:54.48`	`_mechanix`	`simonrvn : and bout ram? how much do u have? i'm with only 64mb....`
`23:55.13`	`_mechanix`	`i want to buy more , but from here is far too expensive , i'm waiting some guy to bring me from usa ;)`
`23:55.32`	`simonrvn`	`www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~schmidtm/ apple/powerbook.en.php`
`23:55.36`	`simonrvn`	`try that`
`23:55.47`	`simonrvn`	`http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=powerbook+12+debian+install&btnG=Google+Search`
`23:55.58`	`simonrvn`	`216 mb currently`
`23:56.31`	`simonrvn`	`i want to max out the slots to 128 mb each ;)`
`23:56.51`	`simonrvn`	`8 x 128 = 1 gb`
`23:56.54`	`_mechanix`	`1 GB RAM?`
`23:57.00`	`_mechanix`	`are u needing that?`
`23:57.29`	`_mechanix`	`i prefer interleaving the rams... i have now only 2x32 interleaved in A1 B1...`
`23:57.34`	`simonrvn`	`it's currently the server.. swapping not good on a server`
`23:57.50`	`_mechanix`	`i'm buying now 2x32mb DIMM + 2x1 VRAM......`
`23:58.10`	`_mechanix`	`but in your stats...do you see your server swapping? is your server that big?`
`23:58.16`	`simonrvn`	`i used to run on 52 mb.. :)`
`23:58.32`	`_mechanix`	`whats the difference bout 604 and 604e ?!`
`23:58.52`	`simonrvn`	`the 'e' one is made by ibm only`
`23:59.06`	`simonrvn`	`and is a little more efficient`
`23:59.19`	`simonrvn`	`..i think`
`23:59.27`	`_mechanix`	`hmmm...`
`23:59.30`	`_mechanix`	`gee!`

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