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| 03:42.22 | egg | Hey, I have a problem. Debian PPC Went through the install process, it said it installed the boot manager (quik?) etc and rebooted. I got a plack screen so i pressed opt-cmd-p-r at boot up and the machine started, but i get the little disk with the ? mark |
| 03:42.24 | egg | any ideas? |
| 03:44.08 | egg | I think i know the problem... i created a bootstrap partition when i shouldn't have... |
| 04:00.12 | simonrvn | no, when you zapped the pram, it forgot the settings to boot to linux, and went to defaults. it's looking for a mac os disk, and it's not finding it (why the ? face) |
| 04:00.40 | egg | ok thanks |
| 04:01.12 | simonrvn | you need to boot back into the installer, run the make system bootable again once you've mounted the / partition |
| 04:01.27 | egg | i created a bootstrap partition and i read somewhere that you don't do that if you're using quik |
| 04:01.44 | simonrvn | you'll need to eventually, for yaboot2. that's ok |
| 04:02.01 | egg | im not using yaboot2 |
| 04:02.05 | simonrvn | quik won't mind, as long as you don't use yaboot. |
| 04:02.20 | simonrvn | egg: i know, it's not finished yet |
| 04:02.49 | simonrvn | i was speaking of the nw bootstrap partition, nothing else |
| 04:02.58 | egg | ok |
| 04:03.09 | egg | i've repartitioned the disk anyway |
| 04:03.15 | egg | installing base system again... |
| 04:04.28 | egg | this is an oldworld mac... so it's slow :( |
| 04:04.43 | egg | takes about 3 hours to install the base system |
| 04:06.02 | simonrvn | as long as the quik.conf is correct, you run quik, and the nvram settings are ok, it should boot |
| 04:06.45 | egg | maybe quik.conf isnt correct |
| 04:07.05 | egg | it goes blank after reeboot every time i install quik |
| 04:07.17 | simonrvn | if the installer did it, then chances are it is. something else is hindering the booting |
| 04:07.26 | egg | it's an oldworld ppc, would any changes need to be made? |
| 04:07.36 | simonrvn | explain what you mean by that? and tell me again what this machine is |
| 04:08.22 | egg | i mean is there any changes that need to be made to quik.conf. it's an Oldworld PPC. 603e processor |
| 04:08.36 | egg | Performa 5400/160 PPC |
| 04:09.17 | simonrvn | ok, let's see. i'm going to check out this, you can go see it, so you can work around any issues that may exist (i think there are) |
| 04:09.29 | simonrvn | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/macppc/models.shtml |
| 04:10.51 | egg | maybe i should give up. i have no idea what any of that means *n00b* |
| 04:11.04 | simonrvn | do a s/netbsd/linux/ in that case ;) |
| 04:11.15 | simonrvn | i'll translate |
| 04:11.53 | egg | argh... i wont have to set up the hard disk again and put mac OS back on will i? |
| 04:12.01 | simonrvn | there's this mac os app that's called boot variables. you don't need it though. you can do what it says from the terminal on VT2 in the installer |
| 04:12.27 | egg | Apparently System Disk does not support these machines (see below). |
| 04:12.29 | egg | Open Firmware output-device defaults to ttya, but ttya is the internal modem (if installed). Thus, if you have an internal modem, use Boot Variables to set console to ttyb. |
| 04:12.50 | egg | i dont have an internal modem |
| 04:12.58 | simonrvn | so do that. boot into the installer again, do option (the double-arrowed key)-F2 when you,ve mounted the / partition |
| 04:13.42 | simonrvn | you might. i can,t remeber if it's a card, or onboard though (/me goes to check specs) |
| 04:14.33 | egg | its installing base system at the moment... should i wait until that's finished before doing anything? |
| 04:15.05 | simonrvn | http://www.info.apple.com/support/applespec.legacy/index.html |
| 04:15.21 | simonrvn | oh you can do stuff while it's doing that |
| 04:15.26 | egg | ok |
| 04:15.56 | egg | / is mounted |
| 04:16.08 | simonrvn | obviously =) |
| 04:16.08 | egg | im at the console screen |
| 04:16.18 | simonrvn | hit enter |
| 04:16.26 | egg | yes |
| 04:16.48 | simonrvn | um, is that a /160 or /180? i only see /120 and /180 at the apple site |
| 04:17.02 | simonrvn | do this: |
| 04:17.04 | egg | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112370 |
| 04:17.08 | simonrvn | mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 04:17.43 | egg | Failed: Device or Resource busy |
| 04:17.47 | simonrvn | hm, missing shit. fuck |
| 04:17.57 | simonrvn | do mount, do you see it there? |
| 04:18.13 | egg | yep |
| 04:18.33 | egg | /proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 04:19.02 | simonrvn | oh ok. quik shouldn't barf then |
| 04:19.13 | simonrvn | let it finish installing the stuff first |
| 04:19.48 | simonrvn | then you'll need to check out quik.conf. once the install is done, try to see if nano-tiny is installed |
| 04:20.06 | egg | yeah it's installed |
| 04:20.41 | simonrvn | ok, open /target/etc/quik.conf in it. nano-tiny /target/etc/quik.conf |
| 04:21.13 | simonrvn | then tell me what's in it, and where your partitions are |
| 04:21.33 | egg | it's empty (probably because quick hasn't been downloaded yet?) |
| 04:21.36 | egg | er |
| 04:21.38 | egg | quik |
| 04:21.57 | egg | it hasn't finished installing the base system. i meant nano-tiny is installed |
| 04:22.02 | simonrvn | yeh. ok, then exit that |
| 04:22.16 | simonrvn | then tell me what you have for nvsetenv |
| 04:22.56 | egg | there's lots of stuff... anything in particular? |
| 04:23.14 | egg | ahuh |
| 04:23.15 | egg | i see |
| 04:23.24 | simonrvn | input and output-device, boot-device |
| 04:23.27 | egg | input-device and output-device are ttya |
| 04:23.44 | egg | boot-device is /AAPL,ROM |
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| 04:24.56 | simonrvn | hm, try ls /proc/ide |
| 04:25.10 | simonrvn | actually forget that |
| 04:25.17 | simonrvn | do mac-fdisk -l |
| 04:25.42 | egg | done |
| 04:26.22 | simonrvn | what's your / partition? that's going to be your boot partition as well. |
| 04:26.50 | egg | it's /dev/hda2 |
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| 04:27.11 | simonrvn | ok |
| 04:27.30 | simonrvn | do cat /proc/fb |
| 04:28.07 | egg | 0 OFfb /valkyrie |
| 04:28.21 | simonrvn | ok. hmm |
| 04:28.41 | simonrvn | btw, i'd write this stuff down somewhere |
| 04:29.02 | simonrvn | or if you can remember it, so be it |
| 04:29.07 | egg | how do i change the input and output-device to ttyb instead of ttya |
| 04:29.48 | egg | because it says that thing with notes about models says ttya is the internal modem and ttyb is the console |
| 04:30.10 | simonrvn | i was thinking of maybe trying to get the OF console to appear on-screen, but you might not be able to do that. to set that up, you do nvsetenv input-device ttyb and same for output-device |
| 04:31.12 | simonrvn | and when the install is finished we'll chroot to it, and use yaboot's ofpath to get the proper boot-device (or let the installer do that) |
| 04:31.38 | simonrvn | (btw, the new debian-installer makes this stuff easier) |
| 04:32.07 | egg | it's still validating Packages.gz |
| 04:32.12 | simonrvn | np |
| 04:32.24 | egg | it takes a while... 160Mhz... 24MB RAM |
| 04:32.30 | simonrvn | oh wait. how long has it been doing that? |
| 04:32.31 | egg | thanks for your help btw |
| 04:32.36 | simonrvn | oh 24 mb.. that's why |
| 04:33.06 | simonrvn | it's notr so much the cpu as it is the lack of ram. small ram size slows those buggers down |
| 04:33.31 | simonrvn | they seem to be very happy when there's 64+ mb |
| 04:34.02 | simonrvn | a 603e at 160 isn't too bad. it isn't a g4 or g3, but it's ok |
| 04:34.30 | simonrvn | cpu : 604e |
| 04:34.48 | simonrvn | memory : 216MB |
| 04:34.53 | egg | ok it's retrieving some of the other packages now |
| 04:34.57 | simonrvn | cool |
| 04:35.07 | simonrvn | you added a swap aprtition, right? |
| 04:35.08 | egg | i'd have more memory if i could get my hamds on it |
| 04:35.12 | egg | yeah yeah |
| 04:35.15 | simonrvn | good |
| 04:35.16 | egg | there's a swap |
| 04:36.09 | simonrvn | is it the original hard drive? |
| 04:36.24 | egg | i'd say so. 1.6GB |
| 04:36.36 | simonrvn | yeh, slow buggers. 5400 rpm iirc |
| 04:36.37 | egg | i was given 2 of the 5400/160 models so i took the ram out of the other one and put it in this one |
| 04:36.47 | simonrvn | heh |
| 04:36.53 | egg | i'm running a 5400 on this machine (pc) :( |
| 04:37.30 | egg | i dont have the money to be spending on parts. i was given 2 of the 5400/160 models so i took the ram out of the other one |
| 04:37.34 | simonrvn | those are your bottlenecks on that 5400/160, the drive and the ram |
| 04:37.43 | egg | oh ok |
| 04:38.07 | egg | i might walk up to the mac reseller tomorrow and see if they have some old ram |
| 04:38.33 | egg | i only got these machines because a school was throwing them out |
| 04:38.33 | simonrvn | the 7500 we have had 52 mb - it was slooow, plus the original 601... has the 603 that was in this 8500 |
| 04:39.11 | simonrvn | still good machines... just need to boost the ram a little, and maybe upgrade the drive |
| 04:39.47 | simonrvn | how many pins do the ram sticks have? |
| 04:39.57 | egg | I was given a Performa 400 (16MHz, 4MB RAM, 80MB SCSI HDD), 2x 5400/160 and a 7720/200. It doesn't use the same RAM as the 5400s so it only has 16MB RAM |
| 04:40.06 | egg | they're 168pin DIMMs |
| 04:40.15 | simonrvn | oh 168. yeh that should be pretty easy to get ram for |
| 04:40.29 | egg | it's not SD so it's not that easy to find |
| 04:40.45 | simonrvn | where are you in the world? |
| 04:40.51 | egg | Australia :) |
| 04:41.09 | egg | Macs were pretty much only found in schools |
| 04:41.28 | simonrvn | hmm, i'd ask bob2 or Penix or cafuego about where to get ram for that thing. you can find them here, or in #debian |
| 04:41.51 | simonrvn | they're all aussies too, so they'll know |
| 04:42.00 | egg | There's a Mac reseller about 4 blocks from my house |
| 04:42.06 | simonrvn | cool |
| 04:42.28 | egg | My friend has a G3 and his father has been using macs for years. I might be able to ask him too |
| 04:42.30 | simonrvn | they might not have older ram, but you can try them |
| 04:42.35 | simonrvn | good idea |
| 04:43.15 | egg | Another friend's mother works at a couple of schools. I told her to think of me if they're going to throw out any old mac stuff :) |
| 04:43.21 | simonrvn | :) |
| 04:43.39 | simonrvn | nice. those old ppcs still have some good years left in them |
| 04:44.39 | egg | I hadn't really had much experience with Macintoshes. |
| 04:45.40 | simonrvn | linux runs really well on them. sometimes a pita to get up and running, but really cool once you know a bit more |
| 04:45.58 | egg | My first computer was an Apple IIe Clone. http://www.applefritter.com/appleclones/micro2/index.html |
| 04:46.06 | simonrvn | i think linux uses more of their potential, to be honest |
| 04:46.17 | egg | then some Spectravideo... then we got a 486 later on |
| 04:46.36 | egg | I ran Linux for a while on PC |
| 04:47.26 | simonrvn | whoah, that's like ancient history ;) |
| 04:47.40 | simonrvn | the microII |
| 04:48.25 | egg | Mine was a little different. It looked the same, but was an Apple IIe rather than just a II, and it wasn't branded |
| 04:48.57 | simonrvn | ok |
| 04:51.32 | simonrvn | brb |
| 04:53.22 | egg | "Several models have on-board video which doesn't cooperate with Open Firmware, preventing it from booting NetBSD/macppc. You will need to use a serial console or third-party PCI video card to run NetBSD/macppc on your system." |
| 04:53.29 | egg | 5400 |
| 04:56.22 | simonrvn | yeh, you might need to get a video card :/ |
| 04:57.08 | simonrvn | we'll see if we can get around that.. if not, ask for an ati card at the reseller or somewhere |
| 04:58.54 | egg | argh |
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| 04:59.25 | egg | it's only got 1 pci slot... that means i'll have to take out the PCI NIC |
| 04:59.43 | egg | Hopefully this VGA PCI card will work |
| 05:00.29 | simonrvn | shit :( |
| 05:00.36 | simonrvn | uh, x86 nic? |
| 05:00.44 | simonrvn | s/nic/video/ |
| 05:01.00 | egg | yeah x86 |
| 05:01.09 | simonrvn | chances are it won't |
| 05:01.16 | egg | Permedia 2 |
| 05:01.35 | simonrvn | doesn't matter what brand. it has to have an OF rom, not a bios |
| 05:01.47 | egg | Ah... :/ |
| 05:01.48 | simonrvn | or eeprom |
| 05:02.16 | simonrvn | some of them you can flash 'for macs', but you might not be able to get it back to x86 bios after |
| 05:02.54 | egg | meh... i'll think i'll leave it and try to get the mac to work with its screen |
| 05:03.20 | egg | otherwise i'll just try to get debian to run on the other ppc 7220/200 |
| 05:03.30 | egg | it's only got 16MB RAM though. |
| 05:04.32 | egg | it's the same as a 4400/200 |
| 05:04.34 | simonrvn | you got an url for the 7220 ? |
| 05:04.40 | simonrvn | yeh should work |
| 05:04.55 | simonrvn | applespec link i mean |
| 05:05.30 | simonrvn | i got it nm |
| 05:06.10 | simonrvn | onboard nic too |
| 05:06.55 | egg | Mine hasn't |
| 05:07.09 | simonrvn | a little picky about the ram and vram |
| 05:07.22 | simonrvn | no ethernet port on the back? |
| 05:07.40 | egg | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112408 |
| 05:07.47 | egg | it's got PCI ethernet in mine |
| 05:08.04 | simonrvn | Ethernet:10baseT |
| 05:08.12 | simonrvn | that's onboard |
| 05:08.29 | egg | pci on my model |
| 05:08.51 | simonrvn | you mean it's a pci nic? |
| 05:09.03 | egg | ok. it seems it's going to be simpler to run it on the 7220 |
| 05:09.07 | egg | yeah its a pci nic |
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| 05:09.32 | simonrvn | probably is simpler ;) |
| 05:09.47 | egg | i like the 5400 because its all in one |
| 05:09.51 | egg | nicer screen |
| 05:10.26 | simonrvn | yeh :) |
| 05:10.35 | egg | the 7220 has a seagate 1.2gb drive |
| 05:11.07 | simonrvn | well, can you switch the ide into the ata bussed 7220? |
| 05:11.14 | egg | yeah |
| 05:11.32 | simonrvn | so finish the install, and switch it in ;) |
| 05:13.03 | simonrvn | afk |
| 05:13.39 | egg | thanks |
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| 05:20.09 | simonrvn | np |
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| 05:57.57 | simonrvn | re |
| 06:15.21 | egg | how come the debian install said this mac only has 13MB of RAM? what happened to the other 3 MB? |
| 06:16.43 | simonrvn | oh the kernel soaked up that 3 mb |
| 06:17.01 | simonrvn | you can re-allocate mem taken up by the kernel |
| 06:17.07 | simonrvn | s/can/can't/ |
| 06:23.02 | egg | s/can/can't/ ?? |
| 06:23.08 | egg | what's that |
| 06:23.16 | egg | swap can with can't |
| 06:23.17 | egg | ? |
| 06:24.17 | simonrvn | yup |
| 06:24.17 | egg | ok :) |
| 06:24.17 | simonrvn | it's perl-speak for replace the former with the latter |
| 06:24.27 | egg | i've never been too good with scripting |
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| 08:32.55 | PluueeR | exit |
| 08:32.56 | PluueeR | exi |
| 08:32.57 | PluueeR | exit |
| 08:32.59 | PluueeR | grmbl |
| 08:33.01 | PluueeR | :) |
| 08:33.28 | egg | ok... installed debian, quick installed, i get a blank screen |
| 08:33.32 | egg | *quik |
| 08:36.52 | simonrvn | the 5400, or the 7220? |
| 08:37.18 | egg | 7220 |
| 08:37.44 | simonrvn | does it boot to linux, or just sit there? |
| 08:38.06 | simonrvn | sounds like it isn't detecting your boot partition correctly |
| 08:38.07 | egg | just sits there |
| 08:38.43 | egg | i have a disk with macos installed for that machine |
| 08:39.29 | egg | is there something i can run to edit the contents of the nvram to make it detect the boot partition? |
| 08:41.02 | simonrvn | boot to installer,go to vt2, type nvsetenv, then if it ays /APPL,ROM or something that doesn't make sense, then chroot /target /bin/bash (after you've mounted the / partition), mount /proc (mount -t proc proc /proc), run ofpath /dev/hda$(the / partition), then type that into boot-device with nvsetenv boot-device $what_you_got_with_ofpath |
| 08:41.32 | simonrvn | then tell me what you got from ofpath |
| 08:42.44 | egg | i'll have to reset the pram to get it to boot that means |
| 08:43.38 | simonrvn | no |
| 08:43.43 | simonrvn | boot from floppy |
| 08:44.09 | egg | How? I turn it on and the screen doesn't even power on |
| 08:44.10 | sourdough | blah |
| 08:45.09 | egg | it doesn't read the floppy if it wont boot |
| 08:46.15 | simonrvn | yes it will |
| 08:46.33 | simonrvn | it checks the floppy drive first, then other stuff |
| 08:47.15 | egg | nothing |
| 08:48.00 | simonrvn | yup |
| 08:48.23 | egg | wait |
| 08:48.25 | simonrvn | you have the source for that btw? i'd love to see it |
| 08:48.30 | egg | this floppy might be bad |
| 08:49.19 | sourdough | simonrvn yeah, |
| 08:49.26 | sourdough | simonrvn haven't quite decided how to package it.. |
| 08:49.29 | egg | ok... it tried to go... the monitor came on but it went back into standby |
| 08:49.56 | sourdough | simonrvn really all it is is a kernel, busybox, and a little shell script |
| 08:49.56 | simonrvn | ok |
| 08:50.10 | egg | Zap the PRAM ? |
| 08:50.18 | simonrvn | neato |
| 08:50.55 | simonrvn | where did you burn the floppy from? |
| 08:51.06 | sourdough | simonrvn my thoughts are mainly to make a binary package with binary kernel/busybox, and a tool to make it easy to generate floppies with various configs |
| 08:51.18 | sourdough | the true source code version of it will be huge |
| 08:51.29 | sourdough | and slow to build, so few will care to bother |
| 08:51.38 | sourdough | kernel never needs rebuild anyway |
| 08:51.43 | sourdough | nor busybox really |
| 08:52.17 | sourdough | simonrvn i wrote a tool to write hte floppy image |
| 08:53.21 | egg | ok about to zap the pram |
| 08:53.37 | egg | anything i should try before i do this? |
| 08:54.01 | sourdough | boot into OF and see whats going on |
| 08:54.22 | egg | How do I do that? |
| 08:54.31 | sourdough | simonrvn i still need to write some scripts to make the generation stuf simpler |
| 08:54.39 | sourdough | egg command option o f at boot |
| 08:54.58 | sourdough | egg Openfirmware will appear on the serial terminal |
| 08:55.44 | egg | i think this model has problems with open firmware |
| 08:56.07 | sourdough | all oldworlds do |
| 08:56.13 | egg | ok |
| 08:56.14 | sourdough | but it still can OF boot |
| 08:56.19 | egg | cmd opt o f did nothign |
| 08:56.31 | sourdough | you need to look at your attached serial terminal |
| 08:56.36 | sourdough | it won't appear on the monitor |
| 08:56.48 | egg | uh... i dont have an attatched serial terminal |
| 08:58.36 | sourdough | which is why you cna't see OF |
| 08:59.34 | egg | im going to zap the pram so i can at least boot into the installer. will that do? |
| 09:07.58 | egg | ok i mounted / |
| 09:08.21 | egg | im at the console |
| 09:13.30 | simonrvn | that sounds ok |
| 09:13.35 | simonrvn | sourdough: ^^ |
| 09:14.12 | sourdough | simonrvn one of these days ill get back on that.. |
| 09:14.13 | egg | boot-device is now /bandit/ohare/ata/ata-disk@0:2 |
| 09:14.27 | simonrvn | sounds right |
| 09:14.36 | sourdough | might need to be 0:0 on that model.. |
| 09:14.45 | simonrvn | my thought exactly |
| 09:14.46 | sourdough | OF 1.0.5 tends to not accept specific partitions |
| 09:14.52 | egg | should input-device and output-device be ttya ? |
| 09:14.57 | simonrvn | yeh, only actual disks :/ |
| 09:15.01 | sourdough | egg thats serial terminal |
| 09:15.13 | egg | should they be kbd and screen? |
| 09:15.26 | sourdough | screen is not a valid alias o~n those |
| 09:15.31 | simonrvn | 7220 might be able to do kbd and /chaos/$video_device |
| 09:15.35 | simonrvn | oh |
| 09:15.41 | simonrvn | oh yeh that |
| 09:15.46 | sourdough | i don't think it has a video driver though.. |
| 09:15.49 | sourdough | well maybe |
| 09:15.58 | sourdough | 7200 does not, 7300 does |
| 09:16.07 | sourdough | im not sure what a 7220 is |
| 09:16.12 | simonrvn | it has the onboard, i think control, but not sure. could be valkyrie |
| 09:16.13 | egg | it's the same as a 4400 |
| 09:16.15 | sourdough | i guess thats the `server' version of 7200 |
| 09:16.26 | sourdough | hmm |
| 09:16.29 | simonrvn | or ati |
| 09:16.30 | simonrvn | ? |
| 09:16.32 | sourdough | check /proic/device-tree |
| 09:16.41 | egg | 7220 was realeased here in Australia and Asia |
| 09:16.58 | egg | it has an ATi chipset on the board |
| 09:16.59 | simonrvn | on the apple site it says "not sold in the u.s." |
| 09:17.10 | simonrvn | so it would be atyfb, so.. |
| 09:17.38 | sourdough | rgrep display /proc/device-tree will give you the OF pathes |
| 09:17.47 | simonrvn | find /proc/device-tree -name '*aty*' |
| 09:18.34 | egg | didn't return anything |
| 09:18.38 | jaska | -iname? |
| 09:19.01 | egg | i got a few for that |
| 09:19.25 | egg | anything in particular? |
| 09:19.32 | sourdough | use rgrep |
| 09:19.33 | simonrvn | what's the path? |
| 09:19.34 | sourdough | that will work |
| 09:19.48 | simonrvn | rgrep in the installer? |
| 09:19.55 | sourdough | grep -r then |
| 09:19.59 | egg | /proc/device-tree/bandit/ATY,264VT |
| 09:20.01 | sourdough | rgrep is a wrapper scripy anyway |
| 09:20.06 | simonrvn | nod |
| 09:20.51 | simonrvn | my guess is output-device /bandit/ATY,264VT |
| 09:21.08 | egg | /proc/device-tree/bandit/ATY,264VT/device_type |
| 09:21.15 | sourdough | cat that file |
| 09:21.22 | sourdough | if its contents are `display' it should be ok |
| 09:21.55 | egg | yes |
| 09:22.19 | egg | so do i need to do a nvsetenv? |
| 09:22.27 | sourdough | yup |
| 09:22.32 | sourdough | nvsetenv input-device kbd |
| 09:22.45 | sourdough | nvsetenv output-device /bandit/ATY,264VT |
| 09:22.52 | sourdough | nvsetenv boot-device whatever |
| 09:23.19 | egg | reboot? |
| 09:23.49 | sourdough | nvsetenv boot-command begin ['] boot catch 1000 ms cr again |
| 09:23.59 | sourdough | nvsetenv boot-command "begin ['] boot catch 1000 ms cr again" |
| 09:23.59 | sourdough | rather |
| 09:24.46 | egg | done |
| 09:25.06 | sourdough | try rebooting now |
| 09:25.23 | egg | ok |
| 09:25.41 | egg | do i need to changer the boot device thing to 0:0 instead of 0:2 ? |
| 09:25.54 | sourdough | i think 0:0 is the only one that will work |
| 09:26.20 | simonrvn | b-f always does that, sticks a partition in when 1.0.5 doesn't "like" it |
| 09:26.23 | sourdough | cat /proc/device-tree/openprom/model |
| 09:26.42 | sourdough | simonrvn b-f always uses 0:0 |
| 09:26.50 | sourdough | simonrvn which breaks on most 2.0 OF |
| 09:26.51 | simonrvn | it might have 2.0 OF though |
| 09:26.53 | egg | no variable called /bandit/ohare/ata/ata-disk@0:0 |
| 09:26.57 | sourdough | but using a parition breaks 1.0.5 |
| 09:27.03 | simonrvn | boot-device /bandit/ohare/ata/ata-disk@0:0 |
| 09:27.39 | egg | Open Firmware 2.0.2 |
| 09:27.45 | sourdough | ah |
| 09:27.50 | sourdough | you might need to use the partition number then |
| 09:27.53 | sourdough | depends |
| 09:27.59 | sourdough | try both, whichever works use |
| 09:28.00 | egg | it's still 0:2 |
| 09:28.05 | sourdough | try it |
| 09:28.09 | egg | ill reboot |
| 09:28.20 | sourdough | hopefully yo uwill be able to see OF now |
| 09:28.31 | egg | how do i make it reboot :) |
| 09:28.37 | simonrvn | reboot |
| 09:28.38 | sourdough | /sbin/reboot |
| 09:29.10 | egg | ok |
| 09:29.14 | egg | i got an error |
| 09:29.27 | egg | n/m |
| 09:30.10 | egg | ok... i can see something |
| 09:30.15 | egg | boot: |
| 09:30.19 | simonrvn | white screen? |
| 09:30.20 | sourdough | thats quik |
| 09:30.26 | simonrvn | weeha |
| 09:30.27 | sourdough | hit enter |
| 09:31.30 | egg | Enter the kernel image name as [device:][partno]/path where partno is a number from 0 to 16. Instead of /path you can type [mm-nn] to specify a range of disk blocks (5128) |
| 09:31.46 | simonrvn | didn't like the 0:2 methinks |
| 09:31.52 | simonrvn | type halt |
| 09:32.17 | egg | ok |
| 09:32.18 | egg | 0 > |
| 09:32.21 | simonrvn | good |
| 09:32.32 | simonrvn | setenv boot-device /bandit/ohare/ata/ata-disk@0:0 |
| 09:32.47 | simonrvn | then reset-all once you've done that |
| 09:33.20 | egg | done |
| 09:33.27 | egg | same error |
| 09:33.39 | egg | asking for the image name |
| 09:34.12 | simonrvn | maybe it needs the devalias of the ata device |
| 09:34.35 | simonrvn | sourdough, could you elucidate ? /me has no exp. with ide pci macs |
| 09:34.56 | simonrvn | type halt again |
| 09:35.01 | simonrvn | egg: ^ |
| 09:35.17 | egg | done |
| 09:35.17 | simonrvn | then type devalias |
| 09:35.24 | egg | yes |
| 09:35.36 | simonrvn | what,s it show you for the disk types? |
| 09:35.36 | sourdough | no boot-device was fine |
| 09:35.39 | sourdough | his config is screwed up |
| 09:35.48 | simonrvn | nods |
| 09:35.58 | sourdough | press tab |
| 09:36.10 | simonrvn | no, he'll need to reset-all again |
| 09:36.22 | sourdough | yup, press tab in quik |
| 09:36.30 | sourdough | should show what images are configured |
| 09:36.34 | simonrvn | i told him to exit that, that's why |
| 09:37.04 | egg | "You can also type in custom image locations... etc" |
| 09:37.13 | sourdough | no image labels? |
| 09:37.25 | simonrvn | ok, do what sd said. /me shuts up :) |
| 09:37.40 | egg | Linux |
| 09:37.47 | sourdough | yup |
| 09:37.49 | sourdough | type Linux and hit enter |
| 09:37.53 | egg | but I get Fatal errors now |
| 09:38.07 | egg | Cannot read driver descriptor |
| 09:38.12 | egg | Cannot read first block |
| 09:38.18 | simonrvn | wtf? |
| 09:38.18 | egg | Unable to open filesystem |
| 09:38.22 | sourdough | which boot-device is this with? |
| 09:38.24 | egg | Image not fourn. Try again |
| 09:38.41 | sourdough | simonrvn quik isn't getting the device path properly |
| 09:38.42 | simonrvn | with 0:0 methinks |
| 09:38.48 | simonrvn | ok |
| 09:38.58 | egg | /bandit/ohare/ata/ata-disk@0:0 |
| 09:38.59 | sourdough | 0:0 is what quik tries to open |
| 09:39.26 | sourdough | egg try going back to the 0:2 version |
| 09:40.22 | egg | ok |
| 09:40.24 | simonrvn | that would be nice :) |
| 09:40.29 | sourdough | yaboot2 |
| 09:40.46 | egg | its doing something |
| 09:40.53 | simonrvn | probably booting |
| 09:41.05 | egg | the screen is on, but blank |
| 09:41.09 | sourdough | egg spinning a /\-| ? |
| 09:41.14 | egg | i got thast |
| 09:41.17 | egg | *that |
| 09:41.22 | sourdough | it boots linux then |
| 09:41.25 | egg | then a blank screen |
| 09:41.35 | sourdough | the kernel doesn't support you video apparently |
| 09:41.59 | simonrvn | probably a version of one of the ati drivers ins't loaded or compiled in or something |
| 09:42.10 | sourdough | maybe |
| 09:42.14 | egg | that'd be right |
| 09:42.41 | egg | thanks for all your help guys. i think i might go for a walk to the trash now |
| 09:42.41 | sourdough | you could try booting with Linux video=ofonly |
| 09:42.46 | sourdough | for a temporary measure |
| 09:42.47 | egg | ok |
| 09:42.52 | simonrvn | hrm i have a 2.2.20 config here.. i think |
| 09:43.06 | simonrvn | noooo |
| 09:43.38 | egg | ok its going |
| 09:43.42 | egg | but the screen is borked up |
| 09:43.56 | sourdough | you need to just do some fbset stuff |
| 09:43.56 | simonrvn | 640x480? or worse? |
| 09:44.14 | sourdough | or some incantation with vmode= args |
| 09:44.28 | sourdough | ive never made those work before, ask simonrvn |
| 09:44.28 | simonrvn | s/some/some arcane/ |
| 09:44.57 | egg | as in its starting pixel 0 about 2/3 way across the screen |
| 09:45.08 | simonrvn | though that could work. controlfb seems fucked that way |
| 09:45.14 | egg | hang on. ill get the other monitor from outside. brb |
| 09:45.40 | simonrvn | it's certianly wonky in 2.6.1-pre still |
| 09:45.59 | simonrvn | oh, that reminds me |
| 09:46.36 | sourdough | i just hack my kernel source to use my prefered mode as default |
| 09:47.22 | simonrvn | cool :) |
| 09:48.54 | egg | ok for some reason the screen mode isnt agreeing with the monitors |
| 09:49.08 | sourdough | common on oldworld |
| 09:49.12 | sourdough | fbset usually can fix it |
| 09:49.44 | egg | it was fine a little while ago but after goint reset-all commands it went kooky |
| 09:50.00 | simonrvn | rset-all is basically a power cycle |
| 09:50.03 | sourdough | hte kernel reinits the display card |
| 09:50.03 | simonrvn | re* |
| 09:50.25 | egg | yes but it did this at the quik screen too |
| 09:50.38 | egg | something wrong with the video card now? |
| 09:50.50 | sourdough | nah |
| 09:51.01 | sourdough | a full powerdown will probably make OF work right again |
| 09:51.06 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 09:51.10 | egg | ok |
| 09:51.12 | sourdough | OF doesn't entirely reset the card |
| 09:51.58 | egg | its fine now |
| 09:52.00 | egg | n/m |
| 09:52.12 | egg | Debian System Configuration |
| 09:52.14 | egg | :D |
| 09:52.23 | egg | thanks for your help guys! |
| 09:53.59 | simonrvn | woohoo |
| 09:54.07 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 10:07.45 | egg | ok the resolution is a little too high |
| 10:07.56 | egg | how do i drop it to make the text bigger? |
| 10:09.56 | sourdough | with fbset |
| 10:10.18 | sourdough | fbset 1024x760-75 and such |
| 10:10.28 | sourdough | if it breaks switch to another console and fix it |
| 10:10.42 | sourdough | fbset -s shows current |
| 10:10.55 | simonrvn | try 1024x768-70 |
| 10:11.03 | sourdough | -a switch all terminals, don't use unless you already know the res works |
| 10:11.07 | sourdough | otherwise you have to type blind |
| 10:13.53 | egg | where is fbset? |
| 10:14.11 | sourdough | /usr/sbin |
| 10:14.17 | sourdough | or in the fbset package |
| 10:14.33 | egg | uh it mustn't be installed yet |
| 10:14.40 | sourdough | nope its not by default |
| 10:15.31 | egg | because whatever the res is at its going to kill the display |
| 10:16.06 | sourdough | apt-get install fbset |
| 10:16.31 | sourdough | it should really be in base for powerpc, most powerpcs framebuffer is mandatory |
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| 10:27.46 | egg | argh |
| 10:27.53 | egg | the refresh was like 172Hz! |
| 10:29.14 | egg | fbset isn't doing anything |
| 10:29.26 | jaska | 172Hz sounds pretty hardcore. |
| 10:29.55 | egg | "832x624-173" |
| 10:30.40 | egg | i typed fbset 800x600-72 and it hasn't done anything |
| 10:32.11 | jaska | i dont actually have any clue about this, my g4 runs headless. |
| 10:32.25 | egg | o i c |
| 10:32.58 | jaska | i rarely hook up a monitor to it |
| 10:35.23 | sourdough | egg did you boot with video=ofonly ? |
| 10:35.25 | sourdough | that disables fbset |
| 10:35.30 | egg | ah |
| 10:35.31 | egg | he |
| 10:36.02 | egg | oops! |
| 10:36.19 | egg | after i fbset will it remember? |
| 10:37.41 | sourdough | until you reboot |
| 10:38.04 | egg | How do i make it remember? What config file do i need to edit? |
| 10:38.26 | sourdough | well since the vmode kernel args never work i would just write a initscript to invoke fbset -a |
| 10:39.01 | egg | since i'm a newbie i wouldn't know how to do that :) |
| 10:39.24 | sourdough | cat > /etc/init.d/fbset.sh |
| 10:39.31 | sourdough | #!/bin/sh |
| 10:39.37 | sourdough | fbset <whatever> |
| 10:39.39 | sourdough | exit 0 |
| 10:39.47 | sourdough | <then hit control d> |
| 10:39.53 | sourdough | chmod 755 /etc/init.d/fbset |
| 10:40.44 | sourdough | update-rc.d fbset.sh start 01 S . (you do need that trialing . ) |
| 10:41.31 | sourdough | that should run it immediatly after init starts |
| 10:42.13 | egg | Thanks for that! |
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| 10:47.22 | alessandro_ | hi |
| 10:47.40 | alessandro_ | all packages for i386 are also avable for ppc? |
| 10:48.28 | egg | some are, some aren't i'd imagine |
| 10:49.44 | alessandro_ | but packages are update in sid like i386? |
| 10:50.16 | egg | sorry, i shouldn't be answering anything |
| 10:50.18 | egg | <-- newbie |
| 10:51.14 | alessandro_ | <-- also I ;-) |
| 10:56.15 | egg | oh well thanks for that guys. i best be off. bye! |
| 11:01.47 | sourdough | alessandro_ yes mostly |
| 11:01.56 | sourdough | alessandro_ most developers upload x86 binaries |
| 11:02.14 | sourdough | so all other archs lag by a few days while the automated build daemons on various archs build the source and upload binaries |
| 11:02.24 | sourdough | some packages are broken and fail to build from source |
| 11:02.47 | sourdough | go to buildd.debian.org to check status of any source package |
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| 11:22.33 | alessandro_ | thks |
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| 12:44.53 | Vaijira | Hi |
| 12:45.15 | Vaijira | Anyone knows if the airports cards not extreme works with the g4 ibooks? |
| 12:45.53 | LarstiQ | the 'airport' cards are orinoco's and work nice. 'airport extreme' does not work |
| 12:48.29 | Vaijira | yeah, i know i've a G3 with an airport card, but my question is if the slot of g4 are prepared for airport cards, it seems different at photos |
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| 13:03.44 | |fire| | hi all |
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| 13:15.07 | gnudaemon | Help, friends. I made some mistakes (maybe a big one) installing a new kernel in my debianppc. first the new kernel initialized with the keyboard completely misconfigured. later on initialization presented a kernel panic. i tryed to install debian again and inserted the install floppy in drive. big mistake. floppy did not initialize and was not ejected. did i loose my machine (yes i'm a newbie in mac)? is it pos |
| 13:15.08 | gnudaemon | sible to rescue the old kernel? my machine is an old 7200/120. |
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| 13:24.36 | simonrvn | hold down the mouse key next time you reboot. it'll eject |
| 13:25.01 | gnudaemon | ok. i'll try it. thanks. |
| 13:25.27 | simonrvn | mouse button, sorry =) |
| 13:25.50 | gnudaemon | ok. understood. |
| 13:27.01 | gnudaemon | nothing happened. |
| 13:28.27 | simonrvn | you did it when you saw the grey screen, and held it down until it popped out? |
| 13:28.58 | simonrvn | may need to shut it off, and then turn it back on |
| 13:29.49 | gnudaemon | well, in my machine there is no gray screen. i'll try shooting off. |
| 13:32.15 | gnudaemon | quik initializes first. the penguin appears in the first place. |
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| 13:36.17 | gnudaemon | maybe because i have only linux installed? |
| 13:38.26 | gnudaemon | the initialization says: "Machine check in kernel mode. (regs at c415c80) Cused by (from srr1): Unknown values in srr1. Kernel panic: machine chack. Rebooting in 180 seconds... |
| 13:38.29 | chris`work | Interesting, so can I do the installation with a standard netinst xfs disc I currently use on my i386 desktop? |
| 13:41.33 | gnudaemon | my installation a made with the available cds for DebianPPC woody, booting from two floppies. Just like in the i386. Installation was completed with ftp. |
| 13:46.16 | chris`work | gnudaemon: Where are the ppc specific cds on d.o? |
| 13:47.46 | gnudaemon | I think I got it (only one but there are six or seven) at http://www.planetmirror.com. |
| 13:49.57 | gnudaemon | and http://www.debian.org/ports/distrib/ftplist. |
| 13:50.25 | gnudaemon | and http://www.debian.org/distrib/ftplist, i mean. |
| 13:54.30 | gnudaemon | my job is waiting for me. thanks a lot for the informations simonrvn. i'll be back later looking for help again. my problem is unresolved for the moment. if it be a problem yet :-)> |
| 13:54.39 | Bor_Ed | hmm, ibm is moving to linux based desktops by the end of '05 :o |
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| 14:46.38 | zbir | morning, all |
| 14:48.50 | zbir | I was wondering if someone could do me a bit of a favor. I'm working on something on Mac OS X and testing the baseline (unedited) browser USER AGENT strings, and want to be sure I'm not accidentally (potentially) capturing LinuxPPC users. Can anyone /msg me their primary browser's AGENT STRING? Primarily looking for Mozilla and Firebird. I don't think Opera has made it to LinuxPPC |
| 14:50.17 | sk1p | .oO(http://arc.opera.com/pub/opera/linux/612/final/en/ppc/) |
| 14:50.54 | sk1p | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux ppc; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031226 Firebird/0.7 |
| 14:51.32 | sk1p | Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.1; Linux) (KHTML, like Gecko) |
| 14:52.00 | sk1p | but the konqueror user agent can contain more info... |
| 14:52.51 | zbir | ahh, thanks sk1p |
| 14:53.06 | zbir | mostly, I'm looking to avoid accidental capture with the string 'Mac_PowerPC' |
| 14:53.23 | zbir | not knowing whether browser developers are assuming 'Mac' to be a platform or an OS |
| 14:53.34 | zbir | I thought it might sneak into a browser somewhere |
| 14:53.52 | zbir | (I'm not *too* concerned about accidentally trapping Mac OS 9 users) |
| 14:54.05 | sk1p | hm no idea... i think opera uses LinuxPPC |
| 14:54.24 | zbir | excellent, thx! |
| 14:54.32 | sk1p | np ;) |
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| 17:47.56 | pabl0 | hi guys! |
| 17:49.27 | pabl0 | I'm trying to reinstall Debian in a RS/6000 , however, when I boot from the floppy disk it starts linux very nicely and then.. |
| 17:49.43 | pabl0 | Cannot open root device "fd0" or 02:00 |
| 17:49.54 | pabl0 | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 17:49.57 | pabl0 | any ideas? |
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| 18:02.01 | pabl0 | help |
| 18:02.03 | pabl0 | please :) |
| 18:02.53 | Bor_Ed | try fd0u1440 or such instead of fd0 |
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| 18:16.51 | pabl0 | ok |
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| 18:17.46 | jc-denton | whaddup gangstas? |
| 18:18.56 | Bor_Ed | just some whacking and locating cement boots |
| 18:20.02 | jc-denton | lol |
| 18:20.03 | jc-denton | what? |
| 18:20.23 | Bor_Ed | you asked :P |
| 18:21.10 | jc-denton | heh |
| 18:24.03 | myXtie | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.16 | Bor_Ed | aww :) |
| 18:26.25 | jc-denton | ;) |
| 18:27.53 | threepwood | how fast is boch when i emulate a i386 machine on my G3 900 ibook? |
| 18:28.44 | Bor_Ed | like running XP on 486 I'd guess |
| 18:29.00 | Bor_Ed | try dosbox or qemu instead |
| 18:29.30 | threepwood | i thought about running a Q3/ut2k3 server on a lanparty with it |
| 18:29.46 | threepwood | Q3 is also for mac but ut2k3 isnt |
| 18:30.22 | Bor_Ed | don't think bochs can handle that... tho test out |
| 18:40.01 | jc-denton | heh |
| 18:40.24 | jc-denton | q3 does not run on ppclinux, does it? |
| 18:42.19 | Bor_Ed | no idea ... I'd need to look for linux q3a cd, it's hidden somewhere here |
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| 18:42.37 | Bor_Ed | tho now off to switch work lists |
| 18:45.16 | robertj | stupid debian mirroris only 1920k/sec |
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| 18:50.09 | myXtie | when i get source code from /pub/scm/linux/kernel/bkcvs the source code has versioning headers and doesn't build clean. I'm new to versioning headers, but not to cvs. What is the solution ? |
| 18:52.27 | mmaddin | damn. Still can't compile 2.6 - always get errors in drivers/ide/ppc/pmac.c about undeclared identifiers. |
| 18:54.34 | pabl0 | Bor_Ed: I did root=/dev/fd0 and /dev/fd0u1440.. and the same, it can't find /dev/fd0 |
| 18:54.42 | pabl0 | another suggestion? |
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| 19:01.32 | PluueeR | how do I install a new kernel on debian, just like on Slackware, downloading from kernel.org, make menuconfig ? |
| 19:01.57 | PluueeR | or do I have switch something of in dselect for updating of whatsoever? |
| 19:04.33 | Firehand | PluueeR: well you can pick some source from kernel.org and install that the common way... or pick some kernel deb from debian... or install a kernel source the debian way |
| 19:04.54 | Firehand | make menuconfig/xconfig; make-kpkg --revision yourrevision.1 kernel_image |
| 19:05.08 | Firehand | that'll generate a .deb from your source you can install with dpkg |
| 19:05.54 | myXtie | PluueeR : "man make-kpkg" to make it debian way you can do it traditional way too ( see readme in source ) make-kpkg is part of kernel-package so apt-get get kernel-package |
| 19:06.30 | myXtie | are you building 2.6 ? |
| 19:08.30 | myXtie | if you are you need module-init-tools too |
| 19:08.56 | PluueeR | nopes |
| 19:08.57 | PluueeR | 2.4 |
| 19:09.19 | treke | can anyone here help me get pcmcia running on an aluminum powerbook? |
| 19:09.43 | treke | I've tried most every range of settings I can think of, but it won't recognize cards |
| 19:20.19 | myXtie | anybody here get source from rsync.kernel.org::pub/scm/linux/kernel/bkcvs ? |
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| 19:46.21 | PluueeR | grmbl make menuconfig is complaining about ncurses but i've just installed libncursesw5 |
| 19:47.43 | mmaddin | PluueeR: you need libncurses5-dev |
| 19:50.28 | PluueeR | I installed that one |
| 19:52.59 | mmaddin | and it's still complaining? hmmmm |
| 19:53.26 | PluueeR | yep |
| 19:53.33 | PluueeR | something about lxdialog |
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| 20:01.53 | PluueeR | exit |
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| 20:56.51 | pabl0 | hi! |
| 20:56.52 | pabl0 | uhm, I have a boot floppy (Debian), how can I prevent that then it boots it doesn't scans the hard disks?.. It's scanning (fdisk, I think) many of them.., very very slow |
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| 21:04.30 | chris`work | Amazing |
| 21:05.11 | chris`work | My laptop was finally delivered today |
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| 21:10.21 | alessandro_ | prehaps its not the best place to tell this but... |
| 21:10.57 | alessandro_ | with distribution like gentoo I will be faster than debian on an ibook g4? |
| 21:11.24 | chris`work | Not imo, but others may disagree |
| 21:11.26 | Curalton | iirc this question has recently also been asked on the mailinglist :) |
| 21:11.47 | chris`work | Now to track down the ppc xfs netinst disc before I leave work |
| 21:12.37 | alessandro_ | sorry I don't follow ppc ml :( |
| 21:13.05 | chris`work | Well, first I should poke Curalton to see if there is even a ppc xfs netinst disc |
| 21:13.34 | Bor_Ed | chris`work: /topic might still have the url |
| 21:14.01 | chris`work | Bor_Ed: didn't see it in there (only powermacs) |
| 21:14.22 | Bor_Ed | it works on *books too |
| 21:14.37 | chris`work | ah, ok |
| 21:15.20 | alessandro_ | But with a ppc I can compile the same source code than i386? |
| 21:15.42 | Curalton | alessandro_: mostly yes, some are not bigendian safe though |
| 21:15.47 | Bor_Ed | apt has most of the junk same for x86 and ppc |
| 21:15.49 | | wish i knew, Bor_Ed |
| 21:16.29 | chris`work | Perhaps I'm blind but I only see xfs boot floppies |
| 21:16.37 | Curalton | alessandro_: http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=1ba3D-dA-7@gated-at.bofh.it |
| 21:16.43 | Curalton | alessandro_: go from there |
| 21:17.30 | Bor_Ed | chris`work: it's iso |
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| 21:21.00 | chris`work | Bor_Ed: Are the isos > 3 mb? I only see the small floppy images |
| 21:21.14 | Bor_Ed | the iso is ~100 megs or so |
| 21:21.52 | chris`work | ah crap |
| 21:21.56 | Bor_Ed | a sec... I'll try to locate it |
| 21:22.05 | chris`work | I was looking through the top links, I didn't see them listed further in the document |
| 21:22.39 | chris`work | So http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/boot-new-powermac-xfs.iso should work for my g4 ibook then? |
| 21:23.19 | pabl0 | aurgh.. I tried everything to boot form a floppy disk, I have a rs6000 and I did: boot floppy:,\linux root=/dev/fd0 load_ramdisk=1 |
| 21:23.42 | pabl0 | then starts linux..and when it ask me to change the floppy I get a funny: "Unable to mount fd0" |
| 21:23.44 | Bor_Ed | http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/boot-new-powermac-xfs.iso |
| 21:23.48 | Bor_Ed | chris`work: ^ |
| 21:23.53 | pabl0 | what else can I do? |
| 21:24.07 | bighawk | chris`work: yes it works |
| 21:24.09 | chris`work | Bor_Ed: heh, same one I just posted |
| 21:24.16 | pabl0 | oh "Cannot open root device fd0" |
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| 21:24.18 | pabl0 | urgh.. |
| 21:24.24 | Bor_Ed | pabl0: you're using chrp or whatwasit boot floppy ? |
| 21:24.26 | chris`work | ok, I'll grab that one |
| 21:24.32 | Bor_Ed | chris`work: just noticed :) |
| 21:24.34 | chris`work | Now I should look for some yaboot docs |
| 21:25.36 | pabl0 | I copied the zImage (the chrp one) |
| 21:25.41 | pabl0 | to a floppy |
| 21:25.53 | pabl0 | the boot, is just a dd |
| 21:26.24 | Bor_Ed | have you checked the rs6k debian install docs (google for it if you haven't( ? |
| 21:26.56 | pabl0 | yeah |
| 21:27.12 | pabl0 | and there are no solutions, just similar problems :( |
| 21:27.45 | Bor_Ed | I tried to install deb _couple_ of times to my mca rs's... eventually gave up and sold the buggrs :I |
| 21:27.58 | alessandro_ | Curalton, tks I read all but I've already a question... with ppc there are many differences from i386 packages? |
| 21:28.32 | Curalton | alessandro_: well, you can't run x86 binaries on ppc, but most source compiles fine |
| 21:28.33 | pabl0 | also, I installed like 1 or 2 years ago Debian to this machine, now I need to reinstall |
| 21:28.44 | pabl0 | and.. with that problem, I can not start anything |
| 21:29.23 | alessandro_ | Curalton, but I don't know apt-get is the same? dpkg-reconfigure? configuration file? .. |
| 21:29.28 | Bor_Ed | pabl0: if/when you get the buggr solved, write some lines and put online or to mailing list |
| 21:29.54 | Curalton | alessandro_: debian on ppc feels just like debian on a x86 |
| 21:30.04 | Curalton | alessandro_: so apt-get and all the other stuff is there as well |
| 21:30.05 | pabl0 | yeah |
| 21:30.49 | Bor_Ed | off to watch another movie ... |
| 21:31.16 | alessandro_ | Curalton, thanks this were my bigger preoccupation (I took that debian ppc was different from x86 :-)) |
| 21:32.40 | Curalton | alessandro_: heh, not at all different |
| 21:35.07 | sloopy | is there a big difference between installing 2.2 and 3.0? |
| 21:35.31 | chris`work | 2.2 is ancient |
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| 21:36.09 | sloopy | chris`: heh not on m68k which is was i was using it on ;') |
| 21:36.27 | torsten_ | hi, i try to compile linux 2.6.1 kernel, i get an compile error about swim3 floppy controler, what do i have to switch of in menuconfig to unselect this ? |
| 21:40.18 | sloopy | torsten: yes it is in macintosh |
| 21:41.34 | torsten_ | ahh, great, thx |
| 21:45.55 | cy_ | brb... |
| 21:49.46 | alessandro_ | where can I found a list of packager that are on ppc-sid? |
| 21:55.34 | Curalton | this are all those which are in x86-sid |
| 21:55.58 | Curalton | requirement for a package to go into sid is that it must compile on all 8(?) debian platforms |
| 21:59.46 | bighawk | do developers get access to machines on all those 8 platforms? |
| 22:00.44 | pabl0 | Bor_Ed: you know something about firmware? |
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