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| 01:01.39 | treke | maybe if I downgrade my kernel pcmcia will work |
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| 01:17.06 | treke | note to self. dont ask bk revtool to show the last weeks worth of changes to the kernel. |
| 01:31.25 | sloopy | treke: heh not at 10k/sec probly wouldnt be good... |
| 01:32.03 | treke | hehe |
| 01:32.26 | treke | apparently revtool doesnt even do what I wanted :) |
| 01:32.57 | sloopy | hell i would be scared to do it on my connection... |
| 01:33.10 | treke | it's a completly offline operation |
| 01:33.16 | sloopy | trying to hack eh? |
| 01:33.38 | treke | gonna see if pcmcia magically works with an older revision of the kernel :p |
| 01:34.06 | sloopy | ahhh i am only partially familiar with bk... used it basically but not much else... but i would think a weeks worth of changes would amount to a few k of file size... |
| 01:34.54 | treke | sloopy: You have a complete copy of the repository on your drive, so they are already there, the gui tool is just really slow going through all of the metadata :) |
| 01:35.29 | treke | sloopy: that's why the source tree is about two to three times as big as it would be if you downloaded it from ftp.kernel.org :) |
| 01:35.37 | sloopy | yeah i figured it was local by the 'offline' comment... before that i thought it got it live... |
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| 02:20.37 | farruinn | i have to enter ifup lo to enable loopback, how do I make this automatic at startup? |
| 02:21.49 | Curalton | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:21.57 | Curalton | according to man interfaces |
| 02:22.05 | farruinn | thanks |
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| 02:26.20 | farruinn | I have iface lo inet loopback, could I just change iface to auto? |
| 02:35.16 | Curalton | iface is a keyword, not an interface |
| 02:35.53 | Curalton | you probably mean "auto lo" - starts lo automatically |
| 02:35.58 | farruinn | what I mean, is would 'auto lo inet loopback' be legal |
| 02:36.00 | farruinn | yeah |
| 02:36.11 | Curalton | yes, this line^ works |
| 02:36.27 | Curalton | err, lo is the same as loopback |
| 02:36.59 | farruinn | so I don't need inet loopback in there? |
| 02:37.18 | Curalton | err, my bad, this line *is* correct after all, i misread |
| 02:39.36 | chris` | Time to figure out how to install debian on this ibook |
| 02:40.02 | chris` | Though, kinda considering using Gentooppc for a change of pace, I have a lot of debian boxen already |
| 02:41.35 | farruinn | I've never tried it, but it seems like gentoo would take a long time to install |
| 02:41.42 | farruinn | with the three "phases" and all |
| 02:41.56 | chris` | True, though you can start with a precompiled stage 3 |
| 02:42.15 | chris` | I think I'll stick to debian for now, I already have my package lists I can load in easily into dpkg |
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| 03:51.04 | chris` | Does mac_fdisk use the same type numbers as cfdisk or do I need to actually specify a type of "swap" for swap? |
| 03:52.21 | sourdough | apple partition tables don't use integers for types |
| 03:52.30 | sourdough | just use the `c' command for all partitions |
| 03:52.38 | sourdough | when it asks for a `nmae' use `swap' for swap |
| 03:52.49 | sourdough | for the rest it does not matter |
| 03:52.52 | chris` | So I don't need to specify the swap type, I can just tell it to use that as the swap anyway? |
| 03:52.59 | sourdough | there is no swap type |
| 03:53.07 | chris` | ok |
| 03:53.07 | sourdough | we don't have any partition types of our own |
| 03:53.14 | sourdough | so we overload `name' with typing stuff |
| 03:53.17 | sourdough | its all broken |
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| 03:59.31 | Tzigane | Hi =) |
| 04:00.41 | Tzigane | We're trying to setup debian on an ibook.. Got a few issues with the installer carking it while trying to fetch a few packages.. It bailed on us, so we tried installing the system semi-manually... We've got as far as having the machine booting, but it kernel panics after reporting 'mount: /dev2/root2: unknown device ... pivot_root: No such file/dir ... /sbin/init: 338: cannot open dev/console: No such file" |
| 04:00.48 | Tzigane | Does anyone know what we've missed? |
| 04:00.53 | Tzigane | Is there a way to correct this /dev2/root2 stuff? |
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| 04:02.15 | sourdough | Tzigane sounds like its fucked, id do it over |
| 04:02.20 | sourdough | use my XFS iso, it actually works |
| 04:02.28 | Tzigane | sourdough: Interesting theory... Where can I get this iso? |
| 04:02.28 | sourdough | XFS:http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/XFS-debian-README.txt |
| 04:02.34 | Tzigane | Thanks =) |
| 04:02.45 | sourdough | read the readme carefully, there are a couple simple caveats |
| 04:02.53 | sourdough | (bsaiclaly use the CD for the source of kernel and base) |
| 04:03.56 | Tzigane | Great, thankyou |
| 04:04.28 | chris` | sourdough: with that cd do I need to configure any modules or are they all included in the kernel already? |
| 04:05.01 | sourdough | you shouldn't need to no |
| 04:05.08 | chris` | Just making sure |
| 04:05.13 | sourdough | everything for typical pmac hardware is built in |
| 04:05.16 | chris` | I'm using that cd, installing the base now |
| 04:05.26 | Tzigane | sourdough: Does the installer's kernel support the ATA100 on the new ibook g4s? |
| 04:05.42 | chris` | Aside from the minor fdisk differences this is no different than setting up any of my other debian boxen |
| 04:05.45 | Tzigane | I had a few issues with a g3 ibook with a lordsutch installer... |
| 04:05.59 | Tzigane | Had to eject the CD before hdd detection, otherwise the hdd wasn't detected |
| 04:06.10 | sourdough | Tzigane yes |
| 04:06.16 | Tzigane | This ibook is slot-loading, which would stick a spanner in the works in that department |
| 04:06.18 | Tzigane | Great =) |
| 04:07.22 | Tzigane | Well, thankyou for your help |
| 04:07.30 | Tzigane | Gunna head off and have some fun =) |
| 04:07.50 | chris` | heh, hit a snag |
| 04:08.06 | chris` | My eject key doesn't eject while in the installer so I can't remove the media |
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| 04:10.14 | chris` | neat, kernel panic |
| 04:10.53 | jjbenham | so anyone here have an nVidea card? |
| 04:12.37 | sourdough | chris; those keys require userspace daemons, they will never work in an installer |
| 04:13.03 | chris` | sourdough: I understand that, it still begs the question: how do I remove the disc? |
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| 04:15.32 | jjbenham | Is it possible to shut off the apple backlight on the g4 867 powerbook |
| 04:16.36 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: huh? |
| 04:17.07 | jjbenham | That apple light on the back. Doesn't it use up extra electricity? |
| 04:17.23 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: no, it's not a separate light. |
| 04:17.42 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: there isn't room for a separate light. It's just a lack of sheiding on the panel's backlight |
| 04:17.42 | jjbenham | oh |
| 04:17.52 | jjbenham | oh ok |
| 04:18.14 | jjbenham | kimo_sabe: do you have an nvidea card? |
| 04:18.20 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: hell no |
| 04:18.39 | jjbenham | I feel really stupid for buying a powerbook with an nVidia card |
| 04:19.04 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: I might have not been able to resist the 12" powerbooks had they had Radeons |
| 04:19.07 | sourdough | chris< you don't need to |
| 04:19.53 | jjbenham | I can't seem to get the screen to dim |
| 04:20.04 | sourdough | chris but if you really want to go into a shell and run eject /dev/hdc or whatever it is |
| 04:20.07 | jjbenham | it actually blanks when the lid closes |
| 04:23.44 | jjbenham | yeah, I kind of wish I could trade it in. Oh well. Maybe a miracle will happen and the nVidia will be better supported |
| 04:25.52 | sourdough | heh |
| 04:25.58 | sourdough | not bloody likely |
| 04:26.39 | chris` | hrmm, do I need to do anything peculiar to get this XFS disc to make the system bootable? |
| 04:26.52 | chris` | I had a kernel panic last time it tried to mount root on the restart |
| 04:27.11 | kimo_sabe | ls |
| 04:28.31 | chris` | nm, booted this time |
| 04:37.22 | sourdough | chris`: just run `make system bootable' |
| 04:37.46 | sourdough | chris you probably ignored the readme the first time and installed kernel/base from network and not the cd |
| 04:40.16 | chris` | sourdough: perhaps |
| 04:41.49 | chris` | Now to get those trunk dri debs and get my acceleration working |
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| 05:13.57 | jjbenham | Would it be illegal for someone to write a driver for it? Is it illegal to decompile the osX driver and reverse engineer it from that? |
| 05:14.50 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: for the nFunks? probably. The x86 binary goo would probably make a better base for reverse engineering though |
| 05:15.51 | jjbenham | Does apple have a trade in policy? |
| 05:16.19 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: I don't think they do, but some of the resellers have "trade-up" programs |
| 05:17.05 | jjbenham | I will look into that. Maybe I can trade it in once the G5 powerbooks come out |
| 05:30.14 | jjbenham | kimo_sabe: So you think that it would be easier to look at x86 assembly and translate that into c? |
| 05:32.01 | kimo_sabe | jjbenham: probably. At least that driver is designed to work in Linux/X |
| 05:34.28 | jjbenham | Any one here know assembly? |
| 05:34.53 | jjbenham | How would you receomend getting started? |
| 05:35.09 | jjbenham | from your compiler gcc? or buy a book? or ? |
| 05:55.18 | sloopy | i learned 6502 and 68k assem by just using them... |
| 05:55.38 | sloopy | making small progs for adding numbers, multiply and divide and then went from there... |
| 05:56.26 | jjbenham | sloppy: what did you use for reference? |
| 05:58.05 | sloopy | for 6502 just a reference list of the instructions and what they did... |
| 05:58.35 | sloopy | for 68k i used a book that basically listed each instr and had a 5-10 lines of code as example... |
| 06:00.24 | jjbenham | ok |
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| 07:32.03 | jaska | 6502/6510 asm was simple enough :D |
| 07:32.37 | sloopy | jaska: yeah it was... 6510? used a C64 did ya? :') |
| 07:33.06 | jaska | yeah. |
| 07:33.09 | jaska | :D |
| 07:33.18 | jaska | cig-> |
| 07:33.31 | sloopy | i was a atari/homebrew 6502 user... |
| 07:39.05 | jaska | also had an apple II clone before that, but didnt do any asm when at the age of 4 |
| 07:41.09 | jaska | a friend has either a vic20 or c64 with a serial number below 1000 iirc. |
| 07:41.47 | sloopy | i had a vic-20 for a while... the hi-res graphics were... 'interesting' to say the least... |
| 07:42.04 | jaska | cant remember which one was the low serial number one as he has both |
| 07:43.37 | sloopy | i think i still have a c64 somewhere... i have the repair manuals for the c64, 1541, and A500, A1000, A2000, and various stuff for them... |
| 07:43.49 | jaska | :D |
| 07:44.12 | jaska | i had a weird 68k machine at one point |
| 07:44.25 | sloopy | i still have the first 68k homebrew i made, one of the last 6502 boards i made... |
| 07:44.28 | jaska | 68000 with separate virtual memory hardware |
| 07:44.37 | jaska | that did swapping to disk on its own |
| 07:45.01 | sloopy | 68k's didnt have builtin VM support so any VM on it would have to be external... |
| 07:45.05 | jaska | i know. |
| 07:45.20 | jaska | was some completely weird unix machine ive never encountered anywhere else |
| 07:45.30 | jaska | 'fortune' or something, the OS was named FOS |
| 07:45.43 | jaska | 8 serial ports, 40 megs of disk |
| 07:49.57 | sloopy | in ~90-91 a friend got ahold of UNIX source that was a few years old and asked me to build him a 68030 board to try and run it on.... he even gave me a program to do pcb layout... i made it printed put it on a pcb did a couple tests to make sure it worked and gave it to him... |
| 07:50.51 | jaska | whee. |
| 07:50.59 | sloopy | finally in ~95 he got around to porting linux to it... up until that time it just ran a bbs program he wrote from a bunch of routines i made... |
| 07:51.04 | jaska | one of a kind box? :D |
| 07:53.01 | sloopy | yeah... it was a screamer... 18Mhz 030... two 68882's and two 6552's (two serial each) and a 2793 (FDC) and 8 6522's (two of them made a scsi port the rest were used for keyboard and various enviromentaly sensors...) |
| 07:56.20 | jaska | hmm |
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| 08:05.52 | egg | what does "CLAIM failed" mean? |
| 08:06.13 | sourdough | means memory could not be allocated |
| 08:06.21 | egg | oh :( |
| 08:06.35 | sourdough | common on oldworld OF, its memory handling is quite broken |
| 08:06.58 | egg | i got the 5400 to display etc but that's what i got |
| 08:07.03 | egg | what can I do about it? |
| 08:07.18 | sourdough | i thought you got your box to work? |
| 08:07.33 | egg | yeah well, i set myself a challenge to get the 5400 to go as well |
| 08:07.50 | egg | the 7220 runs debian well so far |
| 08:08.14 | sourdough | PowerMac 54002.0 |
| 08:08.14 | sourdough | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.14 | sourdough | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.20 | sourdough | * load-base may need to be changed to 100000. |
| 08:08.58 | egg | how do i change load-base? boot to OF? |
| 08:09.44 | egg | i changed output-device to /valkyrie and that got the screen working |
| 08:09.52 | sourdough | yes, that is why you can't boot |
| 08:10.05 | sourdough | booting from disk fails if you set output-device to anything but ttya |
| 08:10.34 | sourdough | in OF setenv load-base 100000 |
| 08:10.41 | sourdough | or in linux use nvsetenv |
| 08:11.28 | sourdough | the screen drvier is prboably allocating memory right where quik wants to allocate memory, thus the failure |
| 08:11.35 | egg | ah i see |
| 08:11.48 | egg | or i don't see :) |
| 08:13.02 | sourdough | that really sounds like a fairly easy problem to solve with some nvramrc patching.. i guess nobody cares enough |
| 08:13.13 | sourdough | that and nobody really knows forth enough |
| 08:13.52 | egg | well since i have control of the keyboard, is there anyway i can make it go typing blind? |
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| 08:14.36 | egg | i guess not. hmm |
| 08:15.26 | egg | ok... for some strange reason the screen powered on |
| 08:15.49 | egg | and showing what was last in the buffer |
| 08:16.43 | sourdough | well input-device kbd should work regardless of output-device |
| 08:17.08 | sourdough | egg yes whatever was last written to the framebuffer remains until powerdown |
| 08:17.31 | sourdough | since you have two machines you could use one as a serial terminal |
| 08:17.49 | sourdough | just get a NULL serial cable (most mac printer cables are such) |
| 08:18.03 | egg | heh... i dont have any mac cables |
| 08:18.04 | sourdough | then configure minicom on one to use 38400n8 |
| 08:18.26 | sourdough | that will make things difficult then |
| 08:18.39 | egg | if i can boot to linux, is there anyway to get a telnet daemon running and telnet from this machine? |
| 08:18.47 | egg | or make a cable? |
| 08:19.03 | egg | brb |
| 08:21.41 | egg | back |
| 08:22.09 | sourdough | eh? |
| 08:22.14 | sourdough | if you can boot linux the console works fine |
| 08:22.20 | sourdough | the console just wont' work in OF |
| 08:22.48 | sourdough | making a cable is possible, but i doubt you hvae any RS422 plugs laying around |
| 08:25.16 | simonrvn | a patched version of screen is building here atm, will have a .deb soon. see http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/345844 for details |
| 08:25.41 | simonrvn | recent sid sources, patched with that ^^^ |
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| 08:32.01 | sourdough | simonrvn didn't debian already release an advisory for the screen thing? |
| 08:32.26 | simonrvn | yes, but i scanned the code, but it wasn't patched for some reason |
| 08:32.36 | sourdough | screen (3.9.11-5woody1) stable-security; urgency=high |
| 08:32.36 | sourdough | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.36 | sourdough | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.36 | sourdough | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.36 | sourdough | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.42 | sourdough | so this is false? |
| 08:32.53 | simonrvn | the one in sid hadn't gotten the updated code |
| 08:32.58 | simonrvn | the woody one probably did |
| 08:33.04 | sourdough | oh i don't use sid |
| 08:33.06 | simonrvn | let me see |
| 08:33.38 | sourdough | didn't this also require transferring 2GB of data around to exploit it? |
| 08:34.19 | simonrvn | weird. the code wasn't in ansi.c nor the other file |
| 08:34.20 | simonrvn | screen (4.0.2-0.1) unstable; urgency=medium |
| 08:34.20 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.20 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.21 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.24 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.27 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.29 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.32 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.34 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.37 | simonrvn | sourdough: yes |
| 08:34.43 | simonrvn | and current is 4.0.2-2 |
| 08:35.12 | sourdough | not in woody itsnot |
| 08:35.22 | simonrvn | i know *that* :) |
| 08:35.56 | sourdough | that last changelog entry is stupid |
| 08:36.07 | sourdough | chown has ALWAYS cleared s bits |
| 08:36.12 | sourdough | thats defined in posix iirc |
| 08:36.21 | sourdough | the kernel does it, not coreutils |
| 08:36.33 | simonrvn | well, if you want to see for yourself, i have the sources up, both patched and unpatched |
| 08:36.45 | sourdough | i only care about woody right now |
| 08:36.46 | simonrvn | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/src/screen/ |
| 08:38.07 | sourdough | it is good that someone is paying attention tnhough |
| 08:38.29 | sourdough | i always wonder how many security regressions occur in new stable releases because dumbasss unmaintainers never bother to fix securiuty problems |
| 08:39.05 | sourdough | and as far as i know nobody actaully checks that all DSAs got addressed by maintainers in the next release |
| 08:39.19 | simonrvn | yeh, i think that's going to change, at least somewhat. since the compromise |
| 08:39.27 | sourdough | i would hope so |
| 08:39.52 | sourdough | simple solution is for the secutrity team to simply file abug tagged sarge,sid (or whatever the release is called) noting the DSA |
| 08:40.35 | sourdough | not foolproof since there are dumbass unmaintainers who would just close them `because security is stupid' |
| 08:41.21 | sourdough | debian's security maintenance of kernels is abysmal too |
| 08:41.33 | sourdough | even on x86, but its near non-existent for all non-x86 archs |
| 08:42.13 | sourdough | which would be fine if it were documneted that debian kernels are UNsupported and should be immiediatly replaced by mainline self built asap post-install |
| 08:42.25 | sourdough | (exactly what debian and any other sane admin does already) |
| 08:42.44 | simonrvn | it's been going down lately re: kernels. they used to be good about it. but they've changed how they handle kernels, and i think that slowed them down |
| 08:43.00 | sourdough | well kernels are special |
| 08:43.06 | sourdough | they really can't be autobuilt |
| 08:43.06 | simonrvn | yeh. that's what i try to do asap |
| 08:43.15 | sourdough | which makes it quite hard for the securtity team to do anything about them |
| 08:43.19 | simonrvn | replace that damned install kernel ;) |
| 08:43.22 | sourdough | and arch maintainers obviously don't care |
| 08:43.33 | sourdough | install kernels are just bootstrap tools IMNSHO |
| 08:43.39 | sourdough | nobody should run them longterm |
| 08:43.58 | simonrvn | pretty much yes. that's why there's real kernel factoid |
| 08:44.01 | sourdough | problem is there are too many people not capable of building kernels |
| 08:44.33 | sourdough | other problem is for the kernel its simply not reasonable to stay with old releases |
| 08:44.44 | sourdough | too many secirity fixes go in without being flagged as such |
| 08:44.49 | sourdough | such as brk() |
| 08:44.51 | simonrvn | that's what worries me. servers that run on old kernels |
| 08:45.29 | sourdough | that is theoretically a problem with all software, but kernel seems to show up with this attribute quite often |
| 08:46.05 | simonrvn | like the bkbits.net server (on of them) that has a 2.4.5... *shudder* |
| 08:46.11 | simonrvn | s/on/one/ |
| 08:46.14 | sourdough | oh ffs |
| 08:46.18 | sourdough | thats negligent |
| 08:46.50 | simonrvn | fuck your uptime. i'd rather a good kernel than have a 500+ day uptime |
| 08:46.51 | sourdough | i have always stayed totally current to the latest stable release of the kernel generation i run |
| 08:46.59 | jaska | heh |
| 08:47.14 | sourdough | usually upgrading within a couple weeks (unless a known hole is present, then its asap) |
| 08:47.19 | simonrvn | i'm running 2.6 right now, but that's because this thing is also my desktop... |
| 08:47.20 | egg | Hrmmm.. i guess it was a waste of time trying to install on the 5400 then |
| 08:47.43 | egg | until i get a serial cable |
| 08:47.45 | sourdough | i still run 2.2.25 on my firewall, all the current holes have not existed on it |
| 08:47.50 | simonrvn | egg: i'd use it as a terminal box or something, and wait til you know more about ppc macs |
| 08:48.05 | simonrvn | yeh 2.2.25 is ok afaik |
| 08:48.11 | sourdough | yup |
| 08:48.30 | egg | well i cant use it as a terminal box if i cant see a terminal! |
| 08:48.38 | sourdough | main reason is i still haven't felt like rewriting my firewall/masq scripts for iptables |
| 08:48.39 | simonrvn | in time ;) |
| 08:48.48 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:48.49 | sourdough | and ive never been confident that 2.4 would work on that box (only 16MB of ram) |
| 08:48.57 | simonrvn | hrm |
| 08:49.08 | simonrvn | what machine is it? |
| 08:49.24 | sourdough | homemade x86 |
| 08:49.28 | simonrvn | nod |
| 08:49.31 | sourdough | i could add ram, buy why? |
| 08:49.43 | sourdough | its a firewall, its tasks are very small and defined |
| 08:49.48 | sourdough | 16 is more then enough right now |
| 08:49.49 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 08:49.53 | sourdough | but 2.4 is stupid about mm |
| 08:50.03 | simonrvn | mm ? |
| 08:50.08 | simonrvn | oh mem mgt |
| 08:50.10 | sourdough | 2.2 STILL behaved far superior on this x86 with 128MB of ram then 2.4 ever has |
| 08:52.18 | sourdough | 2.4 insists on moving everything into swap all the time |
| 08:52.27 | sourdough | makes things slow nad thrashy, for no reason |
| 08:52.56 | simonrvn | 2.6 is better about that |
| 08:53.20 | sourdough | yeah i hope so |
| 08:53.26 | simonrvn | still keeps the mem filled up, but doesn't swap unless it needs to |
| 08:53.28 | sourdough | but i won't touch 2.6 till its proven stable |
| 08:53.44 | simonrvn | preempt is totally fucked atm |
| 08:53.47 | sourdough | mortons `must fix this brokeness' list must be zero length for one |
| 08:55.01 | sourdough | only fs corruption stuff i hear about is from raid/lvm/md users |
| 08:55.08 | egg | also... where can i find a .img file containing a boot disk so i can get my old Performa 400 to boot :) |
| 08:55.08 | simonrvn | other than some stuff that hasn't been ported to ppc, this thing runs nice. it's more stable than the 2.4.24 i compiled the other day.. fucking weird |
| 08:55.19 | sourdough | and it very much looks like those subsystems randomly write big blocks of null bytes all over the disk |
| 08:55.27 | simonrvn | www.info.apple.com, or ftp.debian.org |
| 08:55.36 | egg | ta |
| 08:55.42 | simonrvn | i don,t use that stuff, so i'm ok ;) |
| 08:55.53 | sourdough | me either |
| 08:55.59 | sourdough | i won't touch that for a long time |
| 08:56.04 | sourdough | its clearly not stable yet |
| 08:56.22 | sourdough | despit ethe minority croud who scream `works for me!! its stable as ever!!' |
| 08:57.07 | simonrvn | no, it isn't :) |
| 08:57.33 | sloopy | sourdough: ;'P i have used linux-mac68k for years... (i just dont make claims the use the words 'up-to-date'...) |
| 08:57.36 | sourdough | its unfortunate ,those are useful features, well raid is |
| 08:57.36 | egg | apple doesn't seem to support anything that isn't OSX now |
| 08:57.52 | egg | nm |
| 08:57.53 | sourdough | egg pretty much sums it up |
| 08:58.03 | sourdough | egg they are archived system 7.5 stuff somewhere |
| 08:58.06 | egg | http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html <--- :D |
| 08:58.17 | simonrvn | :) |
| 08:58.33 | sourdough | egg just somewhat hidden so you can be distracted by the `buy new hardware' pages first |
| 08:58.48 | simonrvn | they'll have disk tools, and boot floppies, etc. used to be able to get it through ftp... aah, that was nice |
| 08:59.19 | simonrvn | now all they have is that stupid README.txt |
| 08:59.24 | sourdough | or cost of medium |
| 08:59.40 | simonrvn | a mac reseller did that for me for 8.1+ |
| 09:00.08 | sourdough | odd |
| 09:00.13 | simonrvn | almost cost. like 20$ to fill a cd they charged, i'd get it for 20$. very nice of them |
| 09:00.14 | sloopy | actually you can still get it ftp... just have to know where... they dont tell you on any web page i have seen... |
| 09:00.27 | sourdough | 8 was never gratis unless you just bought a mac near its release |
| 09:00.33 | simonrvn | they're not around anymore :( |
| 09:00.55 | sourdough | simonrvn they probably were not supposed to do that |
| 09:01.00 | simonrvn | sloopy: really? i've tried the old usual places, and couldn,t see fuck all |
| 09:01.06 | egg | What kind of disk will i need? The little Performa 400 shows a picture of a floppy with the ? mark |
| 09:01.20 | sourdough | egg what do you want to do? install macos? |
| 09:01.24 | simonrvn | get an m68k disk tools floppy |
| 09:01.36 | sloopy | simonrvn: yeah... i dont have the link here but i know i got them about 2 months ago... |
| 09:01.48 | simonrvn | fuckin eh :) |
| 09:01.58 | sloopy | linux wont run on a perf 400... it is a 16Mhz 020 with no mmu... |
| 09:02.08 | sourdough | ah |
| 09:02.10 | simonrvn | sourdough: -24°C atm, with -41 windchill here |
| 09:02.22 | sourdough | i didn't think the performa name went that far back... |
| 09:02.27 | egg | i dont want linux on that machine... i guess i should find a different network/chan |
| 09:02.28 | simonrvn | there's nommu stuff now |
| 09:02.35 | sourdough | simonrvn yeah its been quite cold here too |
| 09:02.38 | egg | i just want it to boot |
| 09:02.46 | sourdough | simonrvn supposed to get warmer and snow tonight or tomorrow |
| 09:02.47 | sloopy | sourdough: yeah the 400 was the only 020 based performa... |
| 09:02.58 | sloopy | the performa 400 was just a LC |
| 09:03.05 | simonrvn | sourdough: it's gonna be cold here til the end of the month. so they say. *brr* |
| 09:03.33 | simonrvn | thoguh to me it just sounds like a normal january ;) |
| 09:03.41 | sourdough | simonrvn yeah the storm bringing the snow here will miss most of canada by a wide margin |
| 09:03.54 | simonrvn | probably go over the arctic |
| 09:03.58 | sourdough | yup |
| 09:04.22 | sourdough | coming from the south hitting the aleutions and south central |
| 09:04.22 | sloopy | simonrvn: my 8500 looks like it is gonna get debian on it... :') |
| 09:04.32 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 09:04.36 | simonrvn | sloopy: woohoo |
| 09:05.04 | simonrvn | processor : 0 |
| 09:05.04 | simonrvn | cpu : 604e |
| 09:05.04 | simonrvn | clock : 185MHz |
| 09:05.04 | simonrvn | revision : 2.4 (pvr 0009 0204) |
| 09:05.04 | simonrvn | bogomips : 356.35 |
| 09:05.07 | simonrvn | machine : Power Macintosh |
| 09:05.09 | simonrvn | motherboard : AAPL,8500 MacRISC |
| 09:05.11 | simonrvn | detected as : 16 (PowerMac 8500/8600) |
| 09:05.14 | simonrvn | pmac flags : 00000000 |
| 09:05.16 | simonrvn | L2 cache : 512K unified |
| 09:05.19 | simonrvn | memory : 216MB |
| 09:05.21 | simonrvn | pmac-generation : OldWorld |
| 09:05.37 | sloopy | my other machine i am using now will probly stay YDL... dunno... havnt come to a full decision if i like it or not... |
| 09:06.16 | sloopy | hmmm interesting... |
| 09:06.28 | simonrvn | well first one i tried was debian.. haven't really thought of trying anything else, ecept *bsd |
| 09:06.40 | sloopy | processor : 0 |
| 09:06.40 | sloopy | cpu : 740/750 |
| 09:06.40 | sloopy | temperature : 43-45 C (uncalibrated) |
| 09:06.40 | sloopy | clock : 410MHz |
| 09:06.40 | sloopy | revision : 2.2 (pvr 0008 0202) |
| 09:06.41 | sloopy | bogomips : 814.28 |
| 09:06.43 | sloopy | machine : Power Macintosh |
| 09:06.51 | sloopy | motherboard : AAPL,7500 MacRISC |
| 09:06.51 | sloopy | detected as : 16 (PowerMac 7500) |
| 09:06.51 | sloopy | pmac flags : 00000000 |
| 09:06.53 | sloopy | memory : 512MB |
| 09:06.55 | sloopy | l2cr override : 0xb9180000 |
| 09:06.57 | sloopy | pmac-generation : OldWorld |
| 09:06.59 | sloopy | [sloopy@screw sloopy]$ |
| 09:07.12 | simonrvn | hmm l2cr override? |
| 09:07.18 | simonrvn | what's that from? |
| 09:07.26 | sloopy | simonrvn: both our machine give a gestalt id of 16 but yours says 8500/8600 and mine says 7500 |
| 09:07.36 | simonrvn | i had to do an init script for an 8500 to enable the l2 cache |
| 09:07.52 | sloopy | it is a 7300 mobo... with a 400Mhz G3 in it... |
| 09:08.12 | sloopy | it is actually in a 9600 case... |
| 09:08.18 | sourdough | simonrvn you use pam-tmpdir? |
| 09:08.23 | simonrvn | maybe the g3 is throwing it off? |
| 09:08.39 | simonrvn | sourdough: no, but i' going to implement it one of these days |
| 09:08.58 | sloopy | dunno... should be the same... in macos it ASP says this machine is a 8500... |
| 09:08.58 | sourdough | simonrvn i rewrote it from scratch, mine isn't suid root |
| 09:09.18 | simonrvn | i'll take a look at yours them |
| 09:09.18 | netmanito | hys |
| 09:09.22 | simonrvn | then* |
| 09:09.47 | simonrvn | revision : 2.4 (pvr 0009 0204) revision : 2.2 (pvr 0008 0202) |
| 09:09.53 | simonrvn | hi |
| 09:10.24 | sourdough | simonrvn its in penguinppc.org/~eb/files/pam-tmpdir_0.06-1.tar.gz, fully debianized |
| 09:10.24 | simonrvn | nice, danke :) |
| 09:10.24 | sourdough | extract and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 09:10.24 | sloopy | i wish i had a videocard for the 9600... the 3dfx i have is flakey... |
| 09:10.27 | sourdough | simonrvn maintainer has not replied yet |
| 09:10.33 | simonrvn | k |
| 09:11.02 | sourdough | i spent a lot of time auditing it myself though, another 3rd party audit would be good.. |
| 09:11.11 | simonrvn | same here. i just have the onboard stuff (controlfb) |
| 09:11.20 | simonrvn | ok |
| 09:11.28 | sourdough | but with my version worse case in the default sgid-only setup you get gid=tmpdir and have 1775 access to /tmp/users |
| 09:11.43 | sloopy | 9600 doesnt have onboard video... |
| 09:12.05 | simonrvn | ok |
| 09:12.12 | simonrvn | afk |
| 09:12.17 | sourdough | 9600 has a pci card |
| 09:12.23 | sourdough | IMS twin turbo usually |
| 09:12.28 | sourdough | which does work with OF |
| 09:12.32 | sloopy | i got this machine used... |
| 09:12.34 | sourdough | you just need to figure out the right path |
| 09:12.55 | sloopy | it had a voodoo3 2000 in it... and it was flakey under linux... wouldnt run X |
| 09:13.10 | sourdough | the IMS is totally flakeshit too |
| 09:13.16 | sourdough | i dno't use video at all in mine |
| 09:13.28 | sourdough | pure serial terminal console |
| 09:13.36 | sourdough | from firmware to login: |
| 09:13.54 | sloopy | once i pull this mobo out the 9600 mobo is going back in... it is a 300Mhz 604e |
| 09:14.03 | egg | oh well... back to OS 8.6 on the 5400 :'( |
| 09:14.17 | sourdough | its reasonably quick, the disk is the biggest bottleneck |
| 09:14.30 | sourdough | put a real scsi controller in with real disks and it would probably cook |
| 09:14.42 | sloopy | i have a ata/133 card/drive in it... |
| 09:14.50 | simonrvn | yeh, this one does with the adaptec |
| 09:14.50 | egg | bye guys |
| 09:14.56 | simonrvn | see ya |
| 09:14.57 | sourdough | bleah |
| 09:14.58 | netmanito | as |
| 09:14.59 | sourdough | i hate ide |
| 09:15.07 | sloopy | i tried that... i got the wrong scsi card :'/ |
| 09:15.13 | sourdough | wish i could eliminate it in all my boxes, but -ENOMONEY |
| 09:15.39 | sloopy | i hate ide too... the drive was bought for my B&W G3 but wont work in it... |
| 09:15.57 | sloopy | and linux wont use the scsi UW card i have... |
| 09:16.07 | sourdough | i just love having CONFIG_IDE=n on the 9600 .config |
| 09:16.24 | sloopy | :'D heh |
| 09:16.28 | simonrvn | total 0 |
| 09:16.28 | simonrvn | dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 2004-01-09 09:16 aic7xxx |
| 09:16.28 | simonrvn | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2004-01-09 09:16 device_info |
| 09:16.28 | simonrvn | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2004-01-09 09:16 scsi |
| 09:16.41 | simonrvn | /proc/scsi |
| 09:16.48 | netmanito | please, my keyboard does'nt work with certain kernels since i've reboot my ibook |
| 09:16.59 | simonrvn | @tell netmanito about ask |
| 09:17.09 | sloopy | up until 4 months ago i had only one machine with IDE (my B&W)... now i have several :'/ |
| 09:17.12 | sourdough | netmanito when you type random gibberish is result? |
| 09:17.14 | netmanito | it happen'd to me before and don't remeber who did i fix it |
| 09:17.23 | simonrvn | sloopy: :/ |
| 09:17.27 | netmanito | sourdough: ? |
| 09:17.29 | sourdough | netmanito if so you misconfigured your kernel, CONFIG_MAC_ADBKEYCODES must be NO |
| 09:17.49 | sloopy | simonrvn: the machines were free... |
| 09:17.55 | netmanito | sourdough: it was working before i updated sid yesterday |
| 09:18.06 | netmanito | i mean |
| 09:18.18 | netmanito | it's been working fine all time |
| 09:18.22 | sourdough | i don't know then, i don't track sid |
| 09:18.35 | netmanito | i'm now with a 2.4.18-failsafe wich it works |
| 09:18.36 | sloopy | i got a couple Umax C500's and a few 630's... and the pc i have was scsi... now it is ide... |
| 09:18.45 | sourdough | perhaps you had the old unsupported adbkeycodes all this time and support was removed, but i need to know what symtoms you have |
| 09:19.01 | netmanito | mm |
| 09:19.31 | netmanito | i think some conf has changed |
| 09:19.50 | sourdough | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 09:19.50 | netmanito | let me see |
| 09:20.45 | sourdough | simonrvn im writing another pam module; pam-noulogin this weekend too, i figured out a way to make it work with ssh |
| 09:20.48 | sloopy | mr. mattress is calling me... guess i will do the install tomorrow... |
| 09:22.06 | netmanito | in my kernel conf is set as i show here |
| 09:22.14 | netmanito | CONFIG_ADB_PMU=y |
| 09:22.23 | netmanito | CONFIG_PMAC_PBOOK=y |
| 09:22.23 | netmanito | CONFIG_PM=y |
| 09:22.23 | netmanito | CONFIG_PMAC_APM_EMU=y |
| 09:22.23 | netmanito | CONFIG_PMAC_BACKLIGHT=y |
| 09:22.36 | netmanito | CONFIG_MAC_SERIAL=y |
| 09:22.36 | netmanito | CONFIG_SERIAL_CONSOLE=y |
| 09:22.36 | netmanito | CONFIG_ADB=y |
| 09:22.36 | netmanito | CONFIG_ADB_MACIO=y |
| 09:22.36 | netmanito | CONFIG_INPUT_ADBHID=y |
| 09:22.38 | netmanito | # CONFIG_MAC_ADBKEYCODES is not set |
| 09:22.41 | netmanito | CONFIG_MAC_EMUMOUSEBTN=y |
| 09:22.44 | netmanito | CONFIG_MAC_HID=y |
| 09:23.01 | netmanito | i think it's ok 4 the ibook |
| 09:23.08 | sourdough | looks ok |
| 09:23.12 | sourdough | whats wrong with the keyboard? |
| 09:23.20 | sourdough | other then `it duhsn't werk' |
| 09:23.44 | netmanito | xD |
| 09:24.20 | netmanito | just that if i run with 2.4.22 o 2.4.23 keys don't print |
| 09:24.32 | sourdough | it doesn't do ANYTHING at all? |
| 09:24.38 | sourdough | sounds like the INPUT options are wrong |
| 09:24.40 | netmanito | b |
| 09:24.52 | netmanito | must be |
| 09:25.16 | netmanito | 'cos' failsafe one works |
| 09:25.16 | sourdough | debian kernels? |
| 09:25.16 | sourdough | they SUCK and doing kernels |
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| 09:26.10 | netmanito | xDDD |
| 09:27.49 | netmanito | KDGKBENT at index 128 in table 0: Argumento inválido |
| 09:28.16 | sourdough | eh? |
| 09:28.18 | netmanito | Argumento inválido = invalid Argument |
| 09:28.23 | sourdough | never heard of KDGKBENT |
| 09:28.27 | sourdough | yeah i figured that part |
| 09:28.28 | netmanito | xDDDD |
| 09:28.49 | netmanito | this had happened as i configured again console-data |
| 09:29.12 | netmanito | could be problem of having devfs on my kernels ? |
| 09:29.17 | sourdough | yes |
| 09:29.26 | sourdough | devilfs is evil, broknen, deprecated crap |
| 09:29.40 | netmanito | mmm |
| 09:29.41 | netmanito | ok |
| 09:29.44 | netmanito | so |
| 09:29.52 | sourdough | obsolete too |
| 09:29.54 | netmanito | better to recompile without it |
| 09:29.58 | sourdough | yup |
| 09:30.11 | netmanito | let's go then :) |
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| 09:33.18 | netmanito | thnks sourdough |
| 09:38.40 | simonrvn | btw, i'm getting crap like that too for console-*. my utf8 console is fucking up because of it |
| 09:38.57 | sourdough | console-* breakage is another favorite in sid |
| 09:39.18 | simonrvn | second to PAM ;) |
| 09:39.22 | sourdough | yup |
| 09:39.28 | sourdough | 1) pam |
| 09:39.32 | sourdough | 2) console-* |
| 09:39.34 | sourdough | 3) libc |
| 09:39.42 | simonrvn | yeh, libc heh |
| 09:39.50 | LarstiQ | 4) perl? |
| 09:40.00 | netmanito | xD |
| 09:40.03 | sourdough | hmm |
| 09:40.08 | sourdough | maybe perl is 3 and libc 4.. |
| 09:57.49 | jaska | heh |
| 09:57.58 | jaska | i thought... perl version 3 and libc version 4 (a.out) |
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| 10:03.30 | sourdough | heh |
| 10:04.15 | sourdough | wow only 6 pings and 3 msvirusd connections in the last hour |
| 10:04.33 | jaska | ooh.. internet must be dead. |
| 10:04.53 | sourdough | yeah must be |
| 10:06.33 | sourdough | nah looks like my isp started dropping those ports again |
| 10:06.56 | sourdough | every so often they do that for a couple hours, then turn the virus spew back on |
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| 10:09.34 | powerbook | hi @ all, any idea howto disable the touchpad on a PowerBook G4? |
| 10:10.03 | sourdough | tell X/gpm not to look at /dev/input/mice |
| 10:10.22 | sourdough | and instead configure /dev/input/mouseX where X is the number of the rihgt mouse |
| 10:10.24 | powerbook | sourdough: but then the mice stops working, not? |
| 10:10.33 | sourdough | (which will be decide d by order of attaachment/deteciton) |
| 10:10.54 | sourdough | powerbook /dev/input/mice is ALL attached mice |
| 10:11.11 | sourdough | powerbook /dev/input/mouse* are individual devices for individual mice |
| 10:11.28 | mmaddin | install pbbuttonsd and read "man pbbuttonsd.conf" (notap, tap, drag, lock modes for trackpad" |
| 10:11.45 | sourdough | trackpad is part of powerpc-utils |
| 10:11.58 | powerbook | pbbuttonsd didn't worked with my powerbook... |
| 10:12.02 | powerbook | lock has no effect |
| 10:12.19 | powerbook | I also compiled trackpad from scratch without success |
| 10:12.31 | powerbook | but I thin I'll try the mice/mouse hint above |
| 10:12.50 | powerbook | thanks mmaddin and sourdough |
| 10:12.53 | mmaddin | or file a bug report against the non-functional program's package? |
| 10:13.19 | sourdough | tehy would need more info |
| 10:13.23 | mmaddin | sure |
| 10:13.25 | sourdough | and its likely they won't know how to fix it anyway |
| 10:13.41 | sourdough | since those tools use undocumented adb calls i think |
| 10:13.48 | powerbook | aha |
| 10:13.53 | mmaddin | s/file a bug report/file a meaningful bug report |
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| 10:14.35 | sourdough | to the Debian Perpetual Ignorage Database |
| 10:16.36 | mmaddin | oh, is it that bad? |
| 10:16.58 | sourdough | go look at the RC bug count and tell me what you think |
| 10:17.23 | sourdough | my general experience is that there are too many moron unmaintainers |
| 10:17.29 | sourdough | they either ignore or close without fixing |
| 10:25.11 | chlunde | Yes, people shouldn't maintain packages they don't use. |
| 10:26.18 | chlunde | The packages/maintainer ratio is too high too, it seems. |
| 10:41.03 | LarstiQ | depends on the maintainer |
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| 10:50.15 | sourdough | LarstiQ yup, ive encountered some excellent maintainers, but unfortunatly far far less then the sucky ones |
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| 12:54.10 | nathanh | anybody here have experience with xfree86 on the ibook g4s with the radeon 9200 chipset? ive got it working with radeonfb + fbdev, but when going for native xfree86/radeon driver it flickers like a bad modeline... anybody seen (and fixed) this? |
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| 12:55.34 | nathanh | gday mech, you running an ibook g4? |
| 12:56.10 | mechan0r | Pegasos G3 |
| 13:02.39 | jaska | heh, nobody i know has one |
| 13:04.05 | liiwi | 9200 should work, but needs recent stuff |
| 13:10.51 | mechan0r | anyone get the Articia S southbridge AGP warts to work with DRI? |
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| 14:02.53 | egg | Bor__Ed: do u know iLuVcLoVe? |
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| 14:03.21 | Bor__Ed | umm ? |
| 14:03.29 | egg | n/m |
| 14:03.43 | Bor__Ed | hehe |
| 14:03.47 | egg | just some guy on undernet |
| 14:04.17 | Bor__Ed | he's been on #mandrake every now and then |
| 14:04.23 | Bor__Ed | pretty PIA occasionally |
| 14:04.47 | egg | ah yeah. he was asking you questions about my PPC |
| 14:04.58 | egg | like 2 days ago. |
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| 14:06.04 | roychris | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:06.34 | captbob | "Exim configuration error. Group mail, referred to in line 216, was not found." Why is this happening, when I've checked and the group "mail" definitely exists. "getent group mail" gives me "mail:*:8:" |
| 14:07.31 | Bor__Ed | roychris: newworld or oldworld mac ? |
| 14:07.40 | jaska | grep group: /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 14:08.44 | mmaddin | captbob: what exactly does your "line 216" (of exim.conf I assume?) say? |
| 14:08.49 | roychris | newworld mac I think (ppc 300MHz) |
| 14:08.51 | jaska | but getent probably does use libnss |
| 14:09.14 | captbob | mmadin: group = mail |
| 14:09.20 | Bor__Ed | roychris: should boot with 'C' pressed after boing |
| 14:10.04 | Bor__Ed | egg: aww, he found me on freenode :o |
| 14:10.20 | captbob | grep group: /etc/nsswitch.conf: "group: compat""netgroup: nis" |
| 14:10.36 | roychris | Bor__ed : it doesn't work |
| 14:10.56 | egg | lol |
| 14:11.02 | roychris | Bor__ed : what is the command in the openfirmware |
| 14:11.25 | Bor__Ed | aww, don't remember... check from install doc .... it's pretty much at the start |
| 14:11.38 | jaska | captbob, thats ok imo, also i just verified getent uses libnss |
| 14:11.46 | captbob | k |
| 14:12.06 | captbob | jaska: why the error, then? |
| 14:12.16 | jaska | dunno |
| 14:12.26 | jaska | never used exim. |
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| 14:13.42 | Bor_Ed | I run exim here but never had any probs with it :o |
| 14:14.00 | jaska | i rarely even have a mta |
| 14:14.17 | Bor_Ed | I run own server here :) |
| 14:14.23 | egg | Ok. I have a q now. I Installed the base system of debian, rebooted, went throught the config program and it's dlownloading packages from the net. If I stop it and shut down the machine, reboot later and run the config program again, will it continue downloading where it left off? |
| 14:14.24 | Bor_Ed | public even :P |
| 14:14.46 | Bor_Ed | egg: yup... if the files stay in the cache :) |
| 14:14.56 | egg | no worries. thanks |
| 14:15.22 | egg | dialup sucks :( |
| 14:15.30 | mmaddin | Bor_Ed: same here, exim running fine on our (ISP) mail servers with tens of thousands mail a day |
| 14:16.06 | Bor_Ed | only prob I have is to get SA to work with it ... tho tbird manages pretty well with spam |
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| 15:04.00 | chris`work | Which ethernet drive do I need to load for ibook g4s? |
| 15:04.34 | Bor_Ed | if I'm not completely wrong, sun happymeal or whatwasit |
| 15:06.44 | mmaddin | is this Gigabit? on the Tibook G4/550, it's Sun GEM (CONFIG_SUNGEM=y) |
| 15:06.56 | jaska | sun hme is some old shit :D |
| 15:07.34 | jaska | sbus and pci |
| 15:07.54 | chris`work | ibook 933 g4 to be exact |
| 15:08.27 | Curalton | well on my ibookg3 is also sungem, i think you should be fine with it |
| 15:09.04 | bighawk | sun happy meal ethernet rocks |
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| 16:11.15 | |fire| | hya |
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| 18:02.20 | chris`laptop | Well, got debian on the ibook |
| 18:02.53 | chris`laptop | keymap seems to be fubar'd though, I can't switch terminals |
| 18:03.15 | RQ | :) |
| 18:03.55 | RQ | i think it's a known issue |
| 18:04.18 | chris`laptop | Now I need to get a new kernel on here then look into getting this radeon working I suppose |
| 18:04.57 | Curalton | chris`laptop: err, it is Ctrl, Alt, Fn, Fx |
| 18:05.08 | Curalton | chris`laptop: hold *every* key |
| 18:05.30 | chris`laptop | ah, it has to be in that order |
| 18:05.41 | Curalton | note that F1 - F12 is written in the grayish tone the Fn key is painted |
| 18:06.23 | RQ | :)) |
| 18:06.23 | chris`laptop | right, but I was pressing ctrl-fn-alt-fx |
| 18:06.23 | Curalton | chris`laptop: try the 2.6 kernel |
| 18:06.25 | RQ | abh |
| 18:06.27 | RQ | that suxx |
| 18:06.42 | chris`laptop | Curalton: the rsync in the topic? |
| 18:07.19 | Curalton | yep, works great on my g3 ibook and i guess the radon stuff is definitely in there |
| 18:07.49 | Curalton | RQ: changed it? the Fn key is hardwired! |
| 18:07.55 | RQ | nopw |
| 18:07.58 | RQ | it's not |
| 18:08.12 | Curalton | here it is, Fn doesn't report anything |
| 18:08.14 | RQ | hmz |
| 18:08.21 | RQ | really? |
| 18:08.27 | Curalton | well, you can remap the keycodes a plain Fx key produces, ok |
| 18:08.31 | RQ | it's swicheable on my powerbook |
| 18:08.37 | Curalton | ah, ibook here |
| 18:09.04 | RQ | i think it SHOULD be switchable there too |
| 18:09.10 | RQ | not sure though |
| 18:10.18 | RQ | try to apt-get install pbbuttonsd gtkpbbuttons |
| 18:10.41 | RQ | then see if pbbuttonsd starts and what it says |
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| 18:10.57 | RQ | and then try to change the Fn behaviour with the gtk client |
| 18:11.19 | RQ | or in a config (which is better) |
| 18:11.25 | Curalton | pbbuttonsd is already on |
| 18:11.39 | RQ | cuz the gtk client won't change anything until you modify the config |
| 18:11.41 | Curalton | if showkeys can't pick it up i thing any other tool will have probs. too |
| 18:12.58 | RQ | well... dunno |
| 18:13.05 | RQ | i thought the keys are the same |
| 18:13.25 | RQ | i get 0 1 96 and 0 1 97 when using brightness buttons, for example |
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| 18:17.22 | Curalton | i can get the Fx buttons, yes. i get different keycodes if i press Fn plus an Fx key |
| 18:17.44 | Curalton | chris`laptop: see linux.debian.ports.powerpc - i have seen some discussion concerning G4 ibooks there |
| 18:17.49 | Curalton | (groups.google.com) |
| 18:18.00 | chris`laptop | Google, pan, same difference |
| 18:18.40 | chris`laptop | Time to switch class |
| 18:21.03 | RQ | :) |
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| 18:21.47 | RQ | Curalton: would you at least TRY to switch the keys? :) |
| 18:24.26 | Curalton | didn't so far |
| 18:24.37 | Curalton | because aisb Fn is hardwired :) |
| 18:24.54 | Curalton | does 'showkey' and then pressing the Fn key do something? |
| 18:27.37 | RQ | yeah |
| 18:27.45 | RQ | 0 1 97 or 0 1 96 or so |
| 18:28.16 | RQ | hmz |
| 18:28.44 | Curalton | thats the difference, here it is just dead |
| 18:28.49 | RQ | but i think i DID have the same stuff before. Multimedia keys didn't work for me once before |
| 18:29.05 | RQ | some update solved it though |
| 18:29.16 | RQ | what debian are you using? |
| 18:29.55 | Curalton | sid of course :) |
| 18:30.10 | Curalton | well but im happy with my ibook in its present state, no need to change that now |
| 18:30.22 | Curalton | or to fix a problem that isn't there :) |
| 18:30.28 | RQ | hmz |
| 18:30.36 | RQ | as you wish |
| 18:30.42 | RQ | i hated that thing |
| 18:30.52 | RQ | especially when it wasn't working ;) |
| 18:31.00 | RQ | now it does and i love it |
| 18:31.03 | RQ | except one thing |
| 18:31.14 | RQ | there's no normal AltGr :/ |
| 18:31.55 | RQ | two fscking left Alt's, one Enter that i never use ant NO easy AltGr |
| 18:32.30 | RQ | how do i map my Enter key to be AltGr in X ? |
| 18:33.07 | Curalton | hmm, i mapped this superfluous enter key to a del key |
| 18:33.18 | Curalton | by default on my ibook an cant do ctlr alt del :P |
| 18:33.41 | Curalton | RQ: try http://www.stud.uni-goettingen.de/~s286075/dot.Xmodmap.german.ibook |
| 18:36.19 | RQ | ! a second Enter?? pfff |
| 18:36.19 | RQ | k |
| 18:36.20 | RQ | lol :D |
| 18:38.09 | RQ | so i should write "Keycode 96 = AltGr" or so? |
| 18:38.49 | Curalton | yep, should be |
| 18:38.53 | Curalton | RQ: second enter, yet |
| 18:39.07 | Curalton | the key with the ^ and a _ on top of it |
| 18:39.14 | Curalton | by apple default it is a second enter |
| 18:39.56 | Curalton | hmm, but iirc you also have to mess with the modifyiers... |
| 18:40.43 | RQ | hmz |
| 18:40.53 | RQ | where do i enter that rule? |
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| 18:40.59 | RQ | i only want AltGr. |
| 18:41.09 | RQ | well... having Del would be cool also :) |
| 18:41.41 | RQ | k... |
| 18:41.43 | RQ | gotta go |
| 18:41.47 | RQ | bye |
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| 18:55.06 | Ixion | Anyone around? |
| 18:55.50 | sloopy | yes |
| 18:56.58 | Ixion | Awesome. |
| 18:58.41 | Ixion | sloopy, you're running debian off of a ppc? |
| 18:59.45 | sloopy | not yet... i am running YDL but have run debian on and off for years.... |
| 19:01.26 | Ixion | YDL? |
| 19:01.30 | Ixion | Yellow Dog? |
| 19:02.46 | sloopy | yes |
| 19:03.44 | Ixion | I'm a bit apprehensive about trying something like debian on my powerbook g4... the topic probably says it all. |
| 19:04.23 | sloopy | do you have a good backup? |
| 19:04.35 | Ixion | A good backup? |
| 19:04.40 | Ixion | As in a different system? |
| 19:04.53 | sloopy | no as in any data you dont wnat to lose? |
| 19:05.14 | Ixion | Certainly... 14" iBook 800 G3 |
| 19:05.53 | sloopy | heh i wish i had one decent powerbook let alone two ;') |
| 19:06.07 | Ixion | What are you running? |
| 19:07.43 | sloopy | this machine or my powerbook? this is a 7500/9600 my pb is a 540c |
| 19:08.01 | Ixion | Woah. |
| 19:08.47 | Ixion | If I were a rich man, I would purchase you new system; I had to work a few months at Mcdonalds to afford mine. |
| 19:09.35 | sloopy | i cant work right now :'/ so i am not getting nothing new any time soon... |
| 19:09.54 | Ixion | What's in the way of work? |
| 19:10.04 | sloopy | no day care... |
| 19:10.27 | Ixion | Balls to that. |
| 19:10.55 | sloopy | yeah... give me a job... i will even do windows at this point... ;') |
| 19:11.11 | Ixion | You're educated? |
| 19:11.18 | sloopy | ( and not just wash them...) |
| 19:11.35 | sloopy | some... left school for a good paying job and then got laid off... |
| 19:11.58 | Ixion | Where do you live? |
| 19:12.02 | sloopy | NJ |
| 19:12.46 | Ixion | I'm here in Minneapolis. |
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| 19:17.22 | sloopy | i can telecommute :') |
| 19:24.17 | Ixion | Haha. |
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| 20:55.00 | chris`laptop | So I got the rsync of the 2.6.1-rc1-benh kernel, but I lack a .config for a g4 ibook. Anyone else have one? |
| 20:58.07 | Curalton | tried the debianppc newsgroup? |
| 20:59.12 | chlunde | chris`laptop: Google for it, I know there's one out there. |
| 20:59.16 | chris`laptop | Nope, still working on getting a new kernel up so I haven't gotten clients for much of anything installed |
| 20:59.20 | chlunde | debian ibook 2.6 or somthing like that. |
| 21:01.17 | Curalton | or try http://malik.homelinux.org/ibook/ibook-2.6.html, though the .config from there is for g3 |
| 21:03.50 | chlunde | Yes, so remember support for the ATA/IDE 100 controller |
| 21:04.22 | Curalton | also apt-get install modutils :) |
| 21:04.35 | chlunde | module-init-tools you mean. |
| 21:04.50 | chlunde | (Or something like that) |
| 21:05.19 | chlunde | This package contains a set of programs for loading, inserting, and |
| 21:05.19 | chlunde | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.19 | chlunde | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.21 | chris`laptop | I have that already :0 |
| 21:05.30 | chris`laptop | I used 2.6 on all my other systems :) |
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| 22:12.39 | chris`laptop | wow, takes quite a while to build the kernel on this system |
| 22:13.23 | bighawk | yes |
| 22:27.15 | Curalton | chris`laptop: booted it already? |
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| 22:45.08 | zorton | does anyone have a source for information on setting up USB flash drives to work with linux? |
| 22:54.00 | rustybofh | include Usb Mass storage support |
| 22:54.03 | rustybofh | in kernel |
| 22:54.04 | rustybofh | config |
| 23:01.19 | zorton | well I was more looking for a howto type thing |
| 23:01.43 | rustybofh | it´s easy, put this option and then mount the device |
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| 23:42.19 | wsmith | does anyone have a working pbbuttons.conf for a g4's usb keyboard's volume/eject keys? |
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| 23:45.16 | dude__ | wsmith: switch to console, use showkeys to get keycode enter edit pbuttonsd.conf accordingly |
| 23:45.27 | wsmith | ahh. thanks |
| 23:45.39 | wsmith | wait. i have no console. guess it's about time to fix that .. .. |
| 23:46.59 | wsmith | dude__, what can i do if pressing the keys do not generate a code? |
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| 23:56.17 | gnud | Hi friends. Is there any program to change the console screen definition (from 640x* to 1024x738, f. ex.)? I'm installing a Debian in a MacPPC 7200/120 whithout the resources of MacOS. Thanks. |