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| 01:01.44 | nellump | Quiet evening here. |
| 01:01.47 | nellump | Must be Friday. :-) |
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| 01:34.14 | nellump | Or is it the hardware? |
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| 01:41.10 | Curalton | airport in g3 ibooks? |
| 01:47.39 | nellump | No, G4 PowerBook. |
| 01:47.49 | nellump | The "old fashioned" 802.11b Airport cards. |
| 01:48.22 | nellump | I can't set such options as channel, ap, etc. |
| 01:48.36 | nellump | Though I could swear that I could at least set the channel in months past. |
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| 04:04.07 | sunnan | hey, anyone know anything about the ibook g4 built-in bluetooth and which kernel modules to use? |
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| 04:14.02 | tiramisu | hi! Oops: kernel access of bad area, sig: 11 |
| 04:14.04 | tiramisu | ? |
| 04:14.15 | tiramisu | aiee, killing interrupt handler? |
| 04:14.22 | tiramisu | what is going on? |
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| 06:15.36 | _mechanix | hellow everybody ;D |
| 06:16.01 | _mechanix | is anyone having problems in compiling 2.6.0? |
| 06:16.46 | _mechanix | i have debian/unstable on a pmac 8500 (PPC604@150mhz) |
| 06:22.00 | sloopy | simonrvn has done it on a 8500... |
| 06:22.22 | sloopy | simonrvn: YO! |
| 06:22.26 | simonrvn | going to build a 2.6.1 |
| 06:22.56 | sloopy | simonrvn: i finally put debian on my UMAX C500 :') |
| 06:23.01 | simonrvn | maybe rsynced from ben's et al. stuff, but depends if it gets updated soon or not |
| 06:23.07 | simonrvn | cool :) |
| 06:24.04 | _mechanix | simonrvn : in my machine , the following issue is happenning |
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| 06:24.36 | _mechanix | in 2.6.0 it starts compiling OK and in swim3.c (floppy) it gives me errors , bad errors ;//// |
| 06:25.37 | _mechanix | variables undeclared, etc etc etc |
| 06:25.37 | simonrvn | get the patch from lkml |
| 06:25.37 | simonrvn | or i'll put it up in my src/ dir |
| 06:25.37 | simonrvn | yeh i'll do that. moment please |
| 06:25.38 | _mechanix | now i've upgraded (patched) to 2.6.1.... and i'm trying again to see what happens |
| 06:25.50 | MacPlusG3 | _mechanix: it's probably a good idea to use benh's tree (see topic) |
| 06:25.52 | _mechanix | patch? there's a patch to this? 2.6.1 doesn't correct it? |
| 06:25.54 | simonrvn | 2.6.0 didn't. dunno about 2.6.1 |
| 06:26.06 | _mechanix | strange huh? |
| 06:26.31 | _mechanix | i upgraded my debian to unstable willing to build 2.6.0 ;// |
| 06:26.56 | _mechanix | btw: it builds ok if i deselect the support for apple floppy in kernel configuration ... ;/ |
| 06:27.09 | MacPlusG3 | yeap - the swim3.c file is the floppy driver |
| 06:27.43 | _mechanix | MacPlusG3 : in debian-powerpc i see a lot of people that can't compile 2.6.x-benh-xxxxxx , that scared me ;// |
| 06:27.48 | _mechanix | isn't benh |
| 06:27.57 | simonrvn | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/src/ one of the swim3 patches wqork. can't remember which one |
| 06:28.03 | _mechanix | isn't benh's tree towards newworld's? |
| 06:28.10 | simonrvn | ppc |
| 06:28.26 | _mechanix | simonrvn : i have to apply these patches to the 2.6.0 kernel tree? |
| 06:28.27 | simonrvn | pre-"being pushed to mainline stuff" tree |
| 06:28.55 | simonrvn | _mechanix: try 2.6.1 first. if that swim3 doesn't build, apply the patch (us --dry-run first) |
| 06:29.00 | simonrvn | s/us/use/ |
| 06:29.18 | MacPlusG3 | _mechanix: i've had no problems - debian unstable, latest benh rsync |
| 06:29.31 | _mechanix | so simonrvn .... the so called preemptible kernel feature helps? |
| 06:29.46 | _mechanix | it makes the system noticeably faster? |
| 06:30.39 | simonrvn | don't use that. it's fucked. the anticipatory scheduler is fine |
| 06:30.49 | MacPlusG3 | there's still a feeling that there's problems with pre-empt on ppc - so i haven't actually used it on ppc - and there are few issues with it on x86 as well. but it's getting there.... |
| 06:31.08 | _mechanix | ;// i'm already compiling ;D |
| 06:31.14 | _mechanix | geeee |
| 06:31.28 | _mechanix | and i won't stop now.... |
| 06:31.46 | _mechanix | i just wanna see that swim3 thing work, if it doesn't i'll look for a patch |
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| 06:32.04 | simonrvn | 06:27:57 simonrvn | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/src/ one of the swim3 patches wqork. can't remember which one |
| 06:32.21 | _mechanix | i'm going to sleep |
| 06:32.27 | _mechanix | i'll be back soon ;) |
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| 10:48.44 | simonrvn | compiling a kernel from a uw-scsi card helps a bit ;) |
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| 12:46.44 | GeeSeCillo | hi |
| 12:46.58 | GeeSeCillo | someone has a AP on debian with airport? |
| 12:48.07 | GeeSeCillo | or... |
| 12:48.25 | GeeSeCillo | someone has monitoring a airport's red? |
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| 13:11.30 | MacPlusG3 | drbyte: you coming to LCA? |
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| 13:54.06 | drbyte | MacPlusG3: yes yes |
| 13:54.12 | drbyte | MacPlusG3: explains why i'm here now |
| 13:54.17 | drbyte | MacPlusG3: you going erm..later today too? |
| 13:55.53 | MacPlusG3 | yeah - 11:40 flight out |
| 13:56.17 | drbyte | i'm on a 9am flight out grr |
| 13:56.21 | drbyte | and to get to the airport, its going to be fun |
| 13:56.27 | drbyte | how you travelling within adelaide MacPlusG3? |
| 13:56.42 | MacPlusG3 | hehe - i'm being driven - mate owes me a drive to the airport :) |
| 13:57.02 | MacPlusG3 | i'm actually getting picked up from the airport, i'm carrying over some gear for the guys there |
| 13:57.02 | drbyte | hmm. you lucky fellow. |
| 13:57.10 | drbyte | doubly lucky fellow |
| 13:57.15 | MacPlusG3 | otherwise should only be $15 taxi or something. |
| 13:57.19 | drbyte | if i wait at the airport for you, will they pick me up too? ;) |
| 13:57.21 | bighawk | how much energy does the sleep function of an ibook consume? |
| 13:57.31 | MacPlusG3 | maybe post to linux-aus asking if anyone else is arriving around then? |
| 13:57.31 | bighawk | how long will it take to drain the battery on sleep/ |
| 13:57.34 | drbyte | bighawk: very little on mine... |
| 13:57.45 | drbyte | MacPlusG3: its way too late to post. i just got off from the flight |
| 13:57.49 | MacPlusG3 | very little juice used - takes a WHILE to drain it only on sleep |
| 13:57.53 | bighawk | drbyte: can i safely have my ibook 2 weeks on sleep? :) |
| 13:58.01 | MacPlusG3 | bighawk: probably |
| 13:58.04 | drbyte | bighawk: never tried, but possibly. |
| 13:58.11 | drbyte | draining a LiIon batt to zero is not a good idea though |
| 13:58.18 | drbyte | especially if its in suspend mode |
| 13:58.23 | drbyte | will do wonky things to you |
| 13:58.29 | drbyte | MacPlusG3: i'm staying at st. marks college. you? |
| 13:58.34 | MacPlusG3 | same |
| 13:58.41 | bighawk | well, it should't matter to fully consume all battery power, but draining everything |
| 13:58.44 | MacPlusG3 | drbyte: post anyway, lots of people keep weird hours :) |
| 13:58.46 | drbyte | so, maybe when you arrive, we can hang out, and i don't get lost :P |
| 13:58.51 | MacPlusG3 | hehehe |
| 13:59.02 | drbyte | bighawk: 2 weeks might be way too long. might as well shutdown imho |
| 13:59.02 | MacPlusG3 | cool - give me a yell or something. plane gets in 12:30 adelaide time |
| 13:59.14 | drbyte | MacPlusG3: i will. you have my number too, so all's well ;) |
| 13:59.24 | MacPlusG3 | bighawk: you can stay without your ibook for that long? wow. |
| 13:59.47 | drbyte | i'll be keeping my thinkpad turned off for one week while at LCA... but the iBook comes with me! |
| 14:00.05 | MacPlusG3 | hehe - rock the ibooks |
| 14:00.08 | MacPlusG3 | yay powerpc! |
| 14:01.02 | drbyte | looks like i have to call for a cab to clayton |
| 14:01.16 | drbyte | take the train to the city |
| 14:01.21 | drbyte | take the airport shuttle |
| 14:01.24 | drbyte | and then get on the plane |
| 14:01.25 | drbyte | grr |
| 14:01.41 | drbyte | same thing i did today, minus the train back home; taxi'ed instead |
| 14:02.05 | MacPlusG3 | ouch for time |
| 14:02.42 | drbyte | MacPlusG3: pity for bret busby not coming to lca. i'd like to see him :P |
| 14:02.49 | drbyte | yeah. time. sunday. public transport suckage |
| 14:02.59 | MacPlusG3 | drbyte: i don't. |
| 14:03.14 | drbyte | MacPlusG3: i want to, so that i can also call him an idiot, to his face :P |
| 14:03.17 | MacPlusG3 | drbyte: check times and stuff first - don't be stuck at clayton or the city or something |
| 14:03.28 | drbyte | MacPlusG3: doing just that. good 'ole victrip |
| 14:03.32 | MacPlusG3 | drbyte: it's amazing how many people think that about him :) |
| 14:03.43 | drbyte | MacPlusG3: but you were brave enough to say |
| 14:03.49 | drbyte | i dont have time for a flame war at the moment |
| 14:04.45 | MacPlusG3 | heeh - some of the threads on linux-aus have been quite good |
| 14:05.12 | drbyte | yeah. but the flames... |
| 14:05.45 | drbyte | ok. looks like plans are being changed. cab to spencer st. instead. first train that passes clayton seems to be at bloody 9.xxam |
| 14:06.48 | drbyte | MacPlusG3: hey, we can get metcards online now. coolness! |
| 14:07.06 | MacPlusG3 | how on earth do they work? |
| 14:07.34 | drbyte | MacPlusG3: they post them to you. visit www.metcard.com.au |
| 14:08.43 | MacPlusG3 | i have to say it: fuck public transport in melbourne. |
| 14:08.48 | drbyte | can't get the usual ten trip one i want though |
| 14:08.48 | MacPlusG3 | it's cheaper to drive |
| 14:08.53 | drbyte | MacPlusG3: you have a car ;) |
| 14:09.06 | drbyte | oops, they do have the 10x2hr |
| 14:09.42 | drbyte | i wish'ed they give us a discount for internet purchases |
| 14:09.45 | MacPlusG3 | for example, if we were going into LUV in the city - it's cheaper for me to drive us both, even considering coming from here to your place to the city |
| 14:10.23 | drbyte | MacPlusG3: so, next time you're going to LUV, give me a holler, okay? ;) |
| 14:11.04 | MacPlusG3 | i try to go as often as possible |
| 14:11.05 | drbyte | MacPlusG3: optarse is giving us double our data. they're cool. i hope they go unmetered for us, nice customers |
| 14:11.16 | MacPlusG3 | optarse has pissed me off for months. |
| 14:11.25 | MacPlusG3 | i almost don't want to be with them just on principle |
| 14:11.37 | MacPlusG3 | in fact, the've pissed me off ever since the 3gb/month fiasco |
| 14:12.06 | drbyte | 6gb now seems "cooler". but DSL is slow as |
| 14:13.11 | drbyte | MacPlusG3: btw, st.marks college has internet access right? |
| 14:13.43 | MacPlusG3 | yeap - and there'll be a network room |
| 14:13.54 | JimButton | as fuck? |
| 14:13.54 | drbyte | as long as i have wifi, all's well imho. |
| 14:14.18 | drbyte | JimButton: just "slow as" |
| 14:14.24 | JimButton | drbyte: :) |
| 14:15.00 | drbyte | a little tired i am. getting off a plane, getting on to another in a few hours. grr |
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| 15:40.01 | wsmith | how does one get sound to work on a g4? |
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| 15:45.06 | myXtie | why not rsync.kernel.org::pub/scm/linux/kernel/bkcvs ? it is 2.6.2 hehe |
| 15:45.44 | Bor_Ed | 2.6.2 ??? wtf ? |
| 15:46.46 | myXtie | well I was looking a benh and the source he gets is from linus right ? |
| 15:46.49 | Bor_Ed | kernel.org says latest is 2.6.1 |
| 15:47.07 | Bor_Ed | benh ads own code to linus' kernel |
| 15:47.23 | myXtie | and that is linus personal tree |
| 15:47.37 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 15:48.13 | myXtie | no i mean it is the checkin point |
| 15:48.33 | myXtie | lastest of the latest |
| 15:49.10 | Bor_Ed | most of benh stuff gets to vanilla kernel eventually when linus approves the patches |
| 15:51.05 | myXtie | yeah but like on the mm/mremap.c the patch was in 2.4.24 but not in benh yet |
| 15:51.42 | Bor_Ed | it's on 2.6.1-rc1-ben2 or so |
| 15:52.09 | myXtie | err nope..yesterday i checked it was not there too |
| 15:52.21 | Bor_Ed | hmmm |
| 15:52.44 | myXtie | where do you think patches come from ? |
| 15:52.47 | Bor_Ed | I recall simon patched his -ben1 with -ben2 thingy ... |
| 15:53.18 | myXtie | yeah so he said and i looked a bkcvs view and it was not there |
| 15:53.49 | Bor_Ed | ookay |
| 15:54.10 | myXtie | no big deal a whole lot of other repositories are behind like paul's too |
| 15:54.33 | myXtie | paul's is there with benh |
| 15:54.57 | Bor_Ed | I see |
| 16:03.39 | myXtie | http://source.mvista.com:14690//linuxppc-2.5-benh/src/mm?nav=index.html|src/ |
| 16:03.52 | myXtie | it still says 5 months |
| 16:04.07 | myXtie | so he is not current |
| 16:04.35 | Bor_Ed | hmmm |
| 16:04.47 | Bor_Ed | oh well, time to drop work list to post ... back in some |
| 16:08.23 | myXtie | going to drink milk from the cow be back later (moo) |
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| 16:36.52 | comar | hi all, I compiled a 2.6.1-ben1 and I have a oops and panic at boot time. "Machine check in kernel mode. Caused by (from SRR1=14903): Transfert error ack signal Oops: machine check, sig: 7 [#1]..." |
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| 17:02.23 | chris` | Is the kernel build process that different from x86? I built a kernel but there isn't the bzImage I'm used to so I'm not quite sure which file I need to pass to yaboot (I did figure out ybin / yaboot.conf though) |
| 17:08.17 | JimButton | chris`: ppc doesn't need that bzImage crap |
| 17:08.36 | JimButton | chris`: but better use make-kpkg to build a kernel, from kernel-package |
| 17:09.14 | JimButton | if you insist on not using it, "make vmlinux" instead of "make bzImage" |
| 17:09.38 | chris` | JimButton: it takes long enough to build the kernel, I don't need to wait another hour for kpkg :) |
| 17:10.05 | JimButton | it is worth it, and you don't need to watch it while building :) |
| 17:10.14 | JimButton | walk your cat :) |
| 17:11.05 | chris` | Will make-kpkg handle the yaboot conf? |
| 17:11.47 | JimButton | no, you still have to add an entry |
| 17:12.06 | JimButton | it will install everything to /boot and /lib/modules and so on, though |
| 17:12.13 | JimButton | including the config |
| 17:12.30 | JimButton | which is very convenient, imho :) |
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| 17:14.12 | SuD | hi, we're having trouble trying to install sarge-daily on a new ibook |
| 17:14.44 | SuD | we get error when analyzing packages, check cdrom fails, but md5 is ok! |
| 17:20.21 | chris` | amazing, I managed to delete the .config accidently |
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| 17:23.47 | SuD | we have a new ata-100 drive that wont work with other distros |
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| 17:35.01 | Bor_Ed | weird... now the X forwarding works here and I haven't changed a bit from last (when it didn't) |
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| 18:17.15 | Curalton | wavemon e.g. |
| 18:20.37 | GeeSeCillo | emm support for monitor.... |
| 18:20.45 | GeeSeCillo | no a monitoring program |
| 18:26.04 | jcm | hi, can someone explain how to compile and use alsa sound on a g3 pwb running unstable/2.2.23-ben1 ? |
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| 20:03.11 | Sonarman | hi homar |
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| 20:27.23 | Hans-Martin | hi folks |
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| 20:35.18 | Hans-Martin | hi stereo... |
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| 21:10.38 | SuD | oh no! we configured keyboard as mac/unknown ... |
| 21:10.43 | SuD | now every key is messed |
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| 21:58.18 | two-face | hi |
| 21:58.41 | two-face | anyone using Realplayer on ppc? |
| 21:59.13 | chris` | Why use realplayer when xine and mplayer both support the codecs? |
| 22:00.16 | two-face | hmm |
| 22:01.05 | two-face | no, the codec is not supported |
| 22:01.45 | liiwi | you need to leach the codecs from somewhere like mplayerhq.hu |
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| 22:02.30 | two-face | they are not shipped with mplayer? |
| 22:03.31 | Bor_Ed | not GPL'd |
| 22:03.45 | two-face | I can see win32 codecs |
| 22:04.37 | two-face | but quite unsuable on ppc |
| 22:05.05 | two-face | ah |
| 22:05.11 | two-face | found something |
| 22:05.52 | two-face | BTW, is there a place for a unofficial mplayer.deb? |
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| 22:18.29 | nellump | I don't know of any mplayer deb's for ppc, but it's a pretty easy package to compile from source. |
| 22:18.42 | nellump | The documentation is excellent. |
| 22:19.23 | nellump | As for Real codecs, just download RealPlayer8 for LinuxPPC and use the libs it installs. |
| 22:21.36 | liiwi | two-face: marillat.free.fr iirc |
| 22:21.49 | two-face | found |
| 22:21.56 | two-face | http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/mplayer/ |
| 22:22.00 | liiwi | might not have ppc binaries |
| 22:22.35 | two-face | now i need to find the place where to put codecs |
| 22:26.10 | chris` | /usr/local/lib/codecs/ |
| 22:26.15 | chris` | Or something to that effect |
| 22:26.26 | chris` | The INSTALL / README files say where |
| 22:28.03 | two-face | k |
| 22:30.25 | two-face | /usr/lib/RealPlayer8/Codecs that is |
| 22:32.49 | two-face | it works fine with files |
| 22:33.46 | two-face | not with streaming |
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| 23:35.19 | simonrvn | hrm, this kernel is faster |
| 23:35.32 | simonrvn | or seems so anyway |
| 23:35.49 | sk1p | 2.6.1 ? |
| 23:35.57 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 23:36.09 | simonrvn | 2.6.1-ben1 |
| 23:36.16 | sk1p | kewl ;) |
| 23:36.26 | jcm | is it interesting to try it on pwb g3 too ? |
| 23:36.27 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:36.47 | simonrvn | i would (if i had one ;) |
| 23:39.00 | bighawk | simonrvn: faster in what? |
| 23:39.20 | simonrvn | overall |
| 23:39.28 | bighawk | odd |
| 23:39.29 | simonrvn | responsiveness mostly |
| 23:39.32 | bighawk | you're on a slow machine? |
| 23:39.34 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 23:39.40 | bighawk | that explains :) |
| 23:39.43 | simonrvn | yeh, 604e/185, 8500 |
| 23:39.58 | simonrvn | 216 mb ram |
| 23:40.12 | bighawk | max amount of ram? |
| 23:41.04 | bighawk | nah can't be |
| 23:41.09 | bighawk | 216 is too odd of a number |
| 23:42.53 | simonrvn | no, current. a few 16 mb, a 64, some 32, and i think an 8 |
| 23:43.32 | jcm | is alsa included ? i lost it with switching to 2.4.23-ben1 (cannot recompile :( |
| 23:43.48 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:44.04 | simonrvn | oss in 2.6 is deprecated |
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| 23:44.25 | simonrvn | you *can* have oss emu however (which i compile for) |
| 23:45.07 | jcm | src is from source.mvista.com::linuxppc-2.5-benh ? |
| 23:45.33 | simonrvn | i got my last from (coming up) |
| 23:45.51 | simonrvn | rsync --delete -rvz rsync.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de::linuxppc-2.5-benh |
| 23:46.18 | simonrvn | bbiab, getting food |
| 23:48.17 | xaiki | this is surely a 'hear once an hour question', but is there a way to get X running on iBooks ? |
| 23:52.48 | bighawk | what ibook? |
| 23:56.43 | xaiki | dual usb, g3 500. |
| 23:57.44 | xaiki | i got the cannot read vbios thing, but cannot get a kernel to compile in order to activate fbdev =( |
| 23:58.41 | bighawk | i dont know abut that one, but i would assume yes |