| 00:01.15 | xaiki | does make-kpkg work properly on ppc ??? |
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| 00:01.38 | spacecowboy | are there any real differences in 2.6.1-ben1 and.... >>>> |
| 00:01.43 | spacecowboy | Linux thor 2.6.1-rc1-ben1 #3 Thu Jan 8 17:58:11 EST 2004 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 00:01.50 | spacecowboy | anyone tried them |
| 00:01.51 | spacecowboy | both |
| 00:01.53 | spacecowboy | :-D |
| 00:07.57 | simonrvn | xaiki: yes |
| 00:08.20 | simonrvn | spacecowboy: yes, 2.6.1-ben1 has security fixes |
| 00:09.02 | xaiki | simonrvn: could you point me to a newbe common error ? ( wtf doesn't it compile =( ) |
| 00:09.16 | simonrvn | man make-kpkg |
| 00:09.38 | xaiki | simonrvn: i'm used to it on i386... |
| 00:10.14 | simonrvn | same stuff. something else is buggering, like the configuration for instance |
| 00:22.33 | chris` | hrmm, I should setup distcc on the network to help the laptop out a bit |
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| 00:39.18 | xaiki | i must admit i am a litle lost, my kernel fails on CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PMAC, what other option could fit an G3 iBook ? |
| 00:48.55 | Sam-I-Am | m00. |
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| 01:57.24 | spacecowboy | simonrvn: you still around? |
| 01:57.45 | spacecowboy | simonrvn: is it worth going to go get 2.6.1-ben1 |
| 01:57.50 | spacecowboy | seriously... :) |
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| 02:28.00 | chris` | I think I'll stick with debianppc, it seems more mature than gentooppc (development wise, I'm not saying anything about the community) |
| 02:50.26 | Curalton | what does not work on gentooppc? |
| 02:55.13 | chris` | Curalton: not sure, that's just my new knee-jerk answer if someone nags me about not using gentooppc |
| 02:56.09 | demon_ | so how's power management in ben's latest 2.6.x versions? does sleep work yet on the pismo, say? |
| 03:05.55 | chris` | hrmm, time to read the yaboot docs some more until I actually have a bootloader |
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| 04:39.52 | chris` | Not having good luck finding a 2.6.1-rc1 kernel config for my g4 ibook 14" (933) on google or linux.debian.ports.powerppc, does anyone here happen to have one? |
| 04:44.54 | demon_ | um, why 2.6.1-rc1? 2.6.1 final is out, and I think benh has a 2.6.1-ben1 available via rsync |
| 04:45.28 | demon_ | though, if you're not ready to build it yourself, you might wanna hold off for a little while yet |
| 04:45.44 | chris` | Let me check, I got the rsync of the tree in the topic earlier today |
| 04:45.47 | chris` | *off |
| 04:46.35 | comar | is it possible to burn a .dmg file (image disk) under linux ? |
| 04:47.24 | demon_ | no, not presently, the file format isn't really known |
| 04:47.51 | chris` | demon_: yep, I have whatever the current benh tree is, as for being ready to build it.. it's just an issue of me not knowing all the hardware in this ibook since I just setup linux on it for the first time today. I've used 2.6 on my x86 systems since test1 |
| 04:48.01 | demon_ | you can convert it to a plain iso-type raw image using hdiutil in os x |
| 04:48.26 | demon_ | chris: lspci |
| 04:48.34 | demon_ | that'll tell you what's in there |
| 04:49.02 | chris` | demon_: the large quantity of "unknown device" in lspci's output didn't help much |
| 04:49.43 | comar | but it is the osx install image ;-\ |
| 04:50.21 | demon_ | comar: hehehe... |
| 04:50.31 | demon_ | typical os x |
| 04:50.39 | comar | ;) |
| 04:51.10 | demon_ | "here, here's a disk image you can burn!" "but what am I supposed to do with it, it's not an open format!" "just burn it in OS X!" "...." |
| 04:51.58 | demon_ | you know anyone with an os x machine that would give you a temporary shell? |
| 04:52.15 | demon_ | if you can ssh into an os x machine, you can run hdiutil at a prompt |
| 04:52.33 | comar | i can |
| 04:52.39 | demon_ | is that 10.2 images, or 10.3? |
| 04:52.53 | comar | 10.3 |
| 04:52.57 | comar | ishhh |
| 04:53.15 | demon_ | how many discs is it? |
| 04:53.33 | comar | just one not so big, 193Mo |
| 04:53.48 | demon_ | huh... I thought 10.3 was like 3 CDs? |
| 04:54.08 | comar | osx ask me for the third disk... he is waiting in vt8 (mol) ;) |
| 04:54.09 | chris` | 2 and 3 are app cds |
| 04:54.14 | chris` | You can install with just CD 1 |
| 04:54.24 | comar | yes but osx is waiting there |
| 04:54.37 | comar | it's an update |
| 04:54.47 | chris` | Not sure about the updates |
| 04:54.57 | comar | i can say sure |
| 04:54.58 | comar | ;) |
| 04:55.30 | chris` | I wonder why I can't mount my root with this new kernel even though I have the filesystem built in. Perhaps I have the wrong ide driver |
| 04:56.07 | comar | I have sucha problem with 2.6.1 |
| 04:56.10 | demon_ | ahhh |
| 04:56.57 | demon_ | chris: well, do you see the ide controller driver activating? |
| 04:57.10 | demon_ | make sure you have powermac IDE support enabled |
| 04:57.13 | chris` | Looking at the backlog now |
| 05:02.28 | chris` | powermac ide is in, as is xfs |
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| 08:34.22 | gooodies | How do I get the package source file? for example I want the source files of 'wget'? |
| 08:34.37 | kimo_sabe | gooodies: apt-get source wget |
| 08:34.41 | Curalton | apt-get source wget |
| 08:34.57 | gooodies | thank you so much guys |
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| 09:25.54 | alessandro_ | Hi |
| 09:26.20 | alessandro_ | I've a problem with the installation of debian on my powerbook g4 |
| 09:27.22 | alessandro_ | I can't enter in the open firmware at startup by pressing apple+alt+o+f! |
| 09:43.37 | sourdough | you don't need to |
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| 09:46.21 | alessandro_ | sourdough, and what shoul I do to start the installation? |
| 09:51.49 | simonrvn | stick the cd in, and type install24 |
| 09:55.42 | alessandro_ | simonrvn, but I would like to do an internet installation? |
| 09:55.56 | alessandro_ | sorry not ? but ! ;) |
| 09:56.08 | simonrvn | yes |
| 09:56.14 | simonrvn | @tell alessandro_ about ig |
| 09:58.02 | simonrvn | and the install guide comes in various languages too |
| 09:59.48 | deltree | strange that you can't enter the openfirmware... |
| 10:00.12 | simonrvn | probably too slow on the key pressess |
| 10:00.13 | simonrvn | -s |
| 10:00.30 | deltree | :) |
| 10:01.03 | simonrvn | deltree: /nick device-tree :P |
| 10:01.15 | simonrvn | ppc in-joke ;) |
| 10:01.35 | deltree | it's not that difficult... press them just after the 'apple beep' and don't release them until you get the OF :) |
| 10:01.48 | deltree | ... |
| 10:01.59 | deltree | my nick always gets me jokes... |
| 10:02.14 | simonrvn | i know. i've done on an imac. easy as pie. just like zapping the pram |
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| 10:02.32 | simonrvn | m00 |
| 10:02.34 | alessandro_ | also I I took it's not diffucult but start always mac! |
| 10:03.10 | simonrvn | yay finally linking is doing it's deed... not so long now |
| 10:03.53 | alessandro_ | simonrvn, I don't think too slow I press it 200 times? |
| 10:05.04 | simonrvn | but this is moot. you shouldn't need to do that to install... |
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| 10:06.38 | deltree | I did boot linux via the OF quite a long time... until I RTFM and understood that it was no yaboot which was to give me dualboot with OSX... |
| 10:06.54 | deltree | s/no/not |
| 10:07.54 | deltree | do you know if the hfs (and now hfs+) drivers in linux work well ? |
| 10:08.22 | simonrvn | they work. but you should still be cautious |
| 10:08.33 | simonrvn | they've improved however |
| 10:23.43 | jcm | configuring 2.6.1-ben1, should i make menuconfig or use my old 2.4.23 config to start configuring ? |
| 10:24.01 | Curalton | start from scratch |
| 10:24.13 | weasel | I usually started the 2.6.x tree from scratch |
| 10:24.23 | jcm | ok |
| 10:25.20 | deltree | have you got sungem to work with 2.4.23/2.4.24 ? |
| 10:26.08 | Curalton | works on my ibook i can say |
| 10:26.12 | Curalton | worked that is, not 2.6 |
| 10:28.22 | deltree | the sungem driver of 2.4.23 doesn't work on my powerbook G4... |
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| 10:45.01 | jcm | to enable alsa in 2.6.1, is it enough to check ALSA and ALSA PowerMacDevices ? |
| 10:46.20 | simonrvn | pretty much yes. but i'd build as modules |
| 11:25.12 | sourdough | ssh's perpetually broken pam support is really irritating |
| 11:25.51 | simonrvn | yes it is.. |
| 11:26.14 | sourdough | just noticed they removed the check for locked accounts, so pubkey auth bypasses it |
| 11:26.21 | sourdough | even daemon type users can be logged in |
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| 11:30.30 | jcm | compiling fails on drivers/media/video: |
| 11:30.32 | jcm | drivers/media/video/planb.c:1990: error: conflicting types for `planb_mmap' |
| 11:30.34 | jcm | drivers/media/video/planb.c:91: error: previous declaration of `planb_mmap' |
| 11:30.36 | jcm | drivers/media/video/planb.c:2020: error: unknown field `open' specified in initializer |
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| 11:55.19 | spacecowboy | morning all |
| 11:55.27 | spacecowboy | hey tom |
| 11:55.37 | spacecowboy | dark |
| 11:55.39 | spacecowboy | darn* |
| 11:55.43 | spacecowboy | no kerny version :) |
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| 12:00.27 | Curalton | morning |
| 12:00.58 | Curalton | well you can always rsync the latest 2.6 :) |
| 12:01.54 | jcm | trying to build 2.6.1-benh on pwb g3, i get an error in drivers/media/video |
| 12:03.26 | Curalton | this is not perchance a module which you wouln't need anyhow? |
| 12:04.46 | Curalton | PlanB is used in the 7x00/8x00 series of PowerMacintosh Computers as video input DMA controller. - so says the file |
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| 12:09.21 | jcm | ah, right, so i'll remove it! |
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| 13:45.42 | xaiki | jcm: if you get to compile something, would you be kind enough to dcc me a .config ? |
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| 13:56.29 | jcm | xaiki: compile worked; i didn't reboot since i'm doing other stuff before |
| 13:58.01 | xaiki | jcm: can you send it please ? i've been trying to get one building since yesterday 20h00 .. and now i cannot get to know what is wrong.. |
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| 13:58.13 | xaiki | thx a lot jcm =) |
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| 14:01.27 | xaiki | g3 is CONFIG_6xx ??? |
| 14:01.34 | xaiki | isn't it POWER3 ? |
| 14:04.09 | jcm | xaiki: right :( completly forgot to check that line :(( |
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| 14:05.08 | bighawk | g3 isnt power3 |
| 14:05.33 | xaiki | jcm: are you sure ? ... i'm getting confused, when enabling POWER3 you don't get the support powermacs thingy. |
| 14:05.44 | xaiki | bighawk: so it's 6xx ? |
| 14:05.49 | bighawk | power3 != mac |
| 14:06.02 | bighawk | no, i think g3 is powerpc 750 or so |
| 14:06.35 | xaiki | bighawk: yes, but what kernel option is it ? |
| 14:06.44 | bighawk | powerpc 7xx? no idea |
| 14:07.50 | xaiki | bighawk: CONFIG_6xx, is 'Support for 6xx, 7xx, 74xx, 8200', jcm you were right. |
| 14:08.29 | bighawk | yes, 7xx as i said |
| 14:08.37 | xaiki | jcm: is there a reason you didn't enable preempt ? |
| 14:08.48 | xaiki | bighawk: it is still CONFIG_6xx =P |
| 14:09.28 | bighawk | dont enable preempt on ppc |
| 14:09.30 | bighawk | i'ts buggy |
| 14:09.36 | xaiki | okay thx. |
| 14:11.14 | xaiki | for G3, i suppose i don't need the CONFIG_PPC601_SYNC_FIX .. |
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| 14:20.43 | simonrvn | @topic add p.d.o is back up |
| 14:20.44 | *** topic/#debianppc by ravenbird -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test || Install Debian on new (2003) PowerMacs with XFS:http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/XFS-debian-README.txt || yaboot 1.3.11 released || Cisco VPN and Linux/PPC works! - http://www.goelug.de/texte/vpnc.en.html || http://dri.freedesktop.org/~daenzer/debian/dri-trunk-sid/ || rsync -avz source.mvista.com::linuxppc-2.5-benh - currently 2.6.1-rc1-ben1. || p.d.o is back up (simonrvn) |
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| 16:24.30 | spacecowboy | hey anyone use gaim |
| 16:25.03 | spacecowboy | wtf is up with the gaim problem? |
| 16:27.40 | simonrvn | beats me with a broomhandle |
| 16:27.46 | simonrvn | j/k |
| 16:28.03 | demon_ | gaim problem? |
| 16:28.32 | simonrvn | i never used gaim |
| 16:28.52 | spacecowboy | yea |
| 16:28.52 | demon_ | I use it on my powerbook some of the time... works fine for me |
| 16:29.03 | spacecowboy | yea gaim .75cvs is messed up |
| 16:29.08 | spacecowboy | how do i get the previous version |
| 16:29.10 | spacecowboy | .75 |
| 16:29.13 | spacecowboy | not the cvs one |
| 16:29.15 | spacecowboy | its so annoying |
| 16:31.17 | jjbenham | what is happening with you gaim? |
| 16:31.37 | jjbenham | your gaim |
| 16:31.56 | spacecowboy | it just stops |
| 16:31.57 | spacecowboy | breaks |
| 16:31.59 | spacecowboy | seg faults |
| 16:32.02 | spacecowboy | muc |
| 16:32.03 | spacecowboy | h |
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| 16:32.47 | jjbenham | did you try removing your ~/.gaim and start a fresh one? |
| 16:32.59 | jjbenham | did you try removing your ~/.gaim and start a fresh one? |
| 16:33.14 | spacecowboy | no |
| 16:33.17 | spacecowboy | there is no point |
| 16:33.21 | spacecowboy | it has nothing to do with that |
| 16:34.18 | jjbenham | I wonder if it has something to do with yahoo because I can't log on with my gaim either |
| 16:34.51 | jjbenham | the same thing happens now with freehoo. It says my password is incorrect or something when I know it is correct |
| 16:35.16 | jjbenham | gaim acts as if I am already logged on so it won't let me log on. |
| 16:35.55 | spacecowboy | weird |
| 16:38.17 | spacecowboy | @topic add just kidding its 2.6.1-ben1 now |
| 16:38.18 | ravenbird | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (T required) |
| 16:38.24 | spacecowboy | t? |
| 16:38.32 | spacecowboy | @topic add just kidding its 2.6.1-ben1 now |
| 16:38.33 | ravenbird | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (T required) |
| 16:38.38 | spacecowboy | @bastard |
| 16:38.40 | ravenbird | hmm wheres Prophet ? |
| 16:47.26 | jjbenham | spacecowboy: isn't it 2.6.1-rc1-ben1 that is available now. That is unless 2.6.1 is available somewhere other thsource.mvista.com::linuxppc-2.5-benhan |
| 16:48.18 | jjbenham | I just rsync'd it but it is still 2.6.1-rc1-ben1 |
| 16:48.24 | xaiki | is there any equivalent to the modules-init-tools used for 2.6 on i386 ? |
| 16:48.37 | chris` | xaiki: module-init-tools :) |
| 16:49.01 | xaiki | chris`: as you say, last time i checked i must have still been with woody =) |
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| 16:54.11 | alessandro_ | hi |
| 16:54.39 | alessandro_ | shoul I install debian from internet with an adsl pppoe modem |
| 16:55.26 | chris` | I don't see why not |
| 16:56.44 | alessandro_ | chris`, beause he ask me ip of machine that was assigned by my provider non static |
| 17:02.08 | malik_ | jjbenham: try rsync.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de::linuxppc-2.5-benh |
| 17:04.16 | Bor_Ed | @kernel |
| 17:05.14 | jjbenham | malik: cool thanks. Where did you hear about this? |
| 17:05.56 | malik_ | jjbenham: debian-powerpc mailing list |
| 17:11.47 | netmanito | hy |
| 17:12.38 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: yes, coming soon :) |
| 17:12.44 | Bor_Ed | mmmm |
| 17:12.56 | jjbenham | malik: thanks. I will make sure to join |
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| 17:13.40 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: in fact, i'll set it to go in a few |
| 17:13.59 | Bor_Ed | shooting as mail attach or give me url to wget ? |
| 17:14.47 | netmanito | does anyone got a 2.4.23-ben kernelconf for ibook near? |
| 17:14.58 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: the kernel? |
| 17:15.03 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 17:15.04 | netmanito | something is wrong in mine since i've taken off devfsd |
| 17:15.17 | netmanito | keyboard does'nt respond |
| 17:15.17 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: it's going to be ~5 MB :) |
| 17:15.30 | Bor_Ed | only ? |
| 17:15.38 | Bor_Ed | with or without modules ?-) |
| 17:15.51 | simonrvn | with, as a .deb |
| 17:15.56 | simonrvn | sec |
| 17:16.20 | simonrvn | 6.4M 2004-01-11 10:15 /usr/src/kernel-image-2.6.1-ben1_9.3.0_powerpc.deb |
| 17:16.28 | Bor_Ed | wee |
| 17:16.53 | chris` | oooo a deb |
| 17:17.20 | chris` | Though, I need xfs builtin so I should build my own |
| 17:18.26 | xaiki | simonrvn: if it boots i'd apreciate a look to the .config, mine doesn't find hda =( (kpanic unable to mount root) |
| 17:18.33 | malik_ | netmanito: got a 2.4.23-pre5 to offer ... |
| 17:18.56 | netmanito | malik_: thnks |
| 17:19.26 | netmanito | can you dcc it or mail ? |
| 17:19.36 | chris` | I'm having kpanics on mounting root as well, figure I'm missing an ide config option since I have xfs in |
| 17:19.42 | malik_ | netmanito: malik.homelinux.org/ibook/config-2.4.23-pre5-ben0joe9 |
| 17:19.54 | xaiki | chris`: samefs, same issue. |
| 17:20.27 | chris` | xaiki: don't know if that's a good or bad thing :) |
| 17:20.28 | xaiki | chris`: hi |
| 17:20.47 | netmanito | thnks malik_ |
| 17:21.10 | xaiki | chris`: i'm a total ppc newbe, so it *has* to be a compile option miss. |
| 17:21.37 | chris` | xaiki: probably, I haven't had any problems with 2.6 or xfs on my x86 boxen |
| 17:21.58 | xaiki | chris`: same =), except i now sold the x86 box =) |
| 17:22.52 | chris` | Once I get that kernel working I'll start on getting X on the laptop |
| 17:23.13 | xaiki | chris`: use the framebuffer. |
| 17:23.32 | chris` | xaiki: radeonfb I assume? |
| 17:23.38 | xaiki | chris`: you don't care |
| 17:23.46 | xaiki | tell X to use the frame buffer interface |
| 17:24.05 | xaiki | i'm using non-accelerated-frame buffer, but got X running. |
| 17:24.16 | chris` | I had heard somewhere that there was an accelerated driver for the 9200s with xfree cvs |
| 17:24.20 | xaiki | tho, i still have bugs, i cannot run any GTK app. |
| 17:24.36 | xaiki | chris`: in 4.3, you can find it in experimental. |
| 17:25.07 | demon_ | anyone tried 2.6.1-ben1 on a powerbook, esp. a powerbook pismo? does power management, particularly sleep, work now, or is it still broken? |
| 17:30.49 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: you want ipv6 or no? |
| 17:30.58 | Bor_Ed | no need :P |
| 17:31.05 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 17:35.50 | chris` | simonrvn: do you happen to use xfs? |
| 17:37.39 | simonrvn | yes |
| 17:37.48 | chris` | :) |
| 17:37.59 | chris` | Mind if I steal that 2.6.1 deb as well? |
| 17:38.01 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: what's the CONFIG_ option for pcnet32 called? |
| 17:38.22 | Bor_Ed | amd pcnet 10/100 mbit pci adapter |
| 17:38.46 | Bor_Ed | you're on menuconfig ? |
| 17:40.05 | simonrvn | chris`: it's very particular i'll put it up, but dunno if it will fulfill what you need. for instance, there's no ide in it whatsoever, no bmac or sungem or other pb or ibook stuff, nor is there g4 desktop stuff in it. plain old oldworld stuff, plus ipv6, QoS, a tulip card, various nicknacks |
| 17:40.10 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: yes |
| 17:40.21 | Bor_Ed | it's on pci 10/100 mbit devices ... |
| 17:40.31 | chris` | simonrvn: oh, evil, get away! |
| 17:40.44 | simonrvn | got it |
| 17:41.02 | Bor_Ed | btw, enable ppp too, grmbl isp running pppoe |
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| 17:43.34 | simonrvn | yes i have it enabled too ;). i run the non-bsd compression ppp one, but i enabled both :). and i'm building in the i2c stuff for alsa, easier that way than finagling with arcane module-init-tools commands |
| 17:44.12 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I need to install module-init-tools ? |
| 17:44.26 | simonrvn | need any of that fancy schmancy dri stuff, or whatever |
| 17:44.27 | Bor_Ed | grmbl |
| 17:44.32 | Bor_Ed | LOL |
| 17:44.40 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: yes you do. it'll work with 2.4 too |
| 17:44.41 | Bor_Ed | this is 7200 fbdev :P |
| 17:44.56 | Bor_Ed | no need for dri I'd think :o |
| 17:45.16 | simonrvn | like me then, except valkyrie stuff instead of control |
| 17:45.35 | simonrvn | you need planb ? |
| 17:45.40 | Bor_Ed | planb ? |
| 17:45.47 | simonrvn | (not working in 2.6 yet) |
| 17:45.55 | Bor_Ed | maybe not then |
| 17:46.37 | simonrvn | i build the v4l module, but not the planb - until michel lanner finishes porting it anyway |
| 17:47.04 | simonrvn | want a boot logo or not? |
| 17:47.06 | Bor_Ed | make that bt878 too... if it'd finally work on 2.6 |
| 17:47.12 | simonrvn | ok |
| 17:47.21 | Bor_Ed | you could put M$ 'welcome to weeners' if you find it :P |
| 17:47.29 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 17:47.39 | simonrvn | i meant tux :) |
| 17:47.47 | Bor_Ed | aww, well ok :) |
| 17:48.22 | Bor_Ed | btw, does 2.6 fbdev mode change work on console mode ? 2.4 doesn' :/ |
| 17:48.56 | simonrvn | does a little better than in 2.6.0. still a little wonky, but better behaved now |
| 17:49.11 | simonrvn | iow, you won't go blind reading in console anymore |
| 17:49.14 | Bor_Ed | so I can finally get over the dang 640x480 :) |
| 17:49.29 | simonrvn | and, you get a _ cursor too ;) |
| 17:49.36 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:49.42 | Bor_Ed | haven't been able to get mode 0x318 up from 2.4.22/quik yet |
| 17:50.11 | simonrvn | where is bt878? |
| 17:50.37 | Bor_Ed | media/video or such |
| 17:50.53 | simonrvn | i'm in multimedia atm |
| 17:51.14 | Bor_Ed | should be there... |
| 17:52.26 | simonrvn | < > PlanB Video-In on PowerMac < > CPiA Video For Linux < > SAA5249 Teletext processor |
| 17:52.33 | simonrvn | etc. |
| 17:52.40 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 17:52.51 | Bor_Ed | the card I have is peecee cheapo telly card |
| 17:53.06 | Bor_Ed | has bt878 chip and some weird tuner (philips I recall) |
| 17:53.14 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 17:53.25 | simonrvn | < > Philips SAA7134 support |
| 17:53.29 | simonrvn | ? |
| 17:53.35 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 17:53.45 | Bor_Ed | that's another chip |
| 17:53.50 | simonrvn | < > Philips-Semiconductors 'dpc7146 demonstration board' |
| 17:53.57 | Bor_Ed | hell no :) |
| 17:54.26 | simonrvn | you don't have the .config at all? |
| 17:54.28 | Bor_Ed | it's broketree corporation 8x8 |
| 17:54.30 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 17:54.46 | liiwi | Möö |
| 17:54.56 | Bor_Ed | bøøø |
| 17:54.57 | simonrvn | yeh good idea |
| 17:55.52 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.55 | simonrvn | found it, kinda |
| 17:56.10 | liiwi | Bor_Ed: http://www.pegasos-fi.com/teknisettiedot.php <- seen that? |
| 17:56.14 | Bor_Ed | the card I have is 'noname' generic |
| 17:56.31 | Bor_Ed | liiwi: ages ago... still 750GX/433 at 366¤ ? |
| 17:57.17 | Bor_Ed | I'm waiting for microa1 (a1lite) to come out and see if the price is reasonable |
| 17:58.49 | Bor_Ed | gee, sid puked at me for the first time ... |
| 17:58.59 | liiwi | Bor_Ed: haven't heard yet back from them |
| 17:59.04 | Bor_Ed | libxslt1.1 refuses to install |
| 17:59.18 | Bor_Ed | liiwi: you're getting peggy2 ? |
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| 18:00.51 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: i'm also going to build headers |
| 18:01.04 | Bor_Ed | good |
| 18:01.14 | Bor_Ed | tho I haven't been able to get compilers to work here :I |
| 18:01.18 | simonrvn | and away we go |
| 18:01.42 | chris` | simonrvn: what ppc system do you have? |
| 18:01.54 | simonrvn | 8500, 7500 |
| 18:02.16 | simonrvn | both have a slight cpu upgrade (non-g3/4) |
| 18:02.37 | jjbenham | how does the fan work on a powerbook g4 867 mhz with linux? do I have to worry about it over heating? |
| 18:02.55 | liiwi | Bor_Ed: depends on the price with g4's. |
| 18:03.03 | simonrvn | i saw some thermal control stuff in the mac device drivers |
| 18:03.22 | simonrvn | fan stuff mostly |
| 18:03.23 | Bor_Ed | liiwi: I recall the g3 was 366 for a starter... and g4 is hella more |
| 18:05.53 | sloopy | simonrvn: you gonna be still around in 10-15 mins? i need to talk to you but i am on the phone ATM |
| 18:06.27 | simonrvn | probably |
| 18:06.38 | jjbenham | simonrvn: should I worry about it. I will see if I can get thermal management too work but I include in support before and type in cat /proc/cpuinfo and so no info on cpu temp the modules said |
| 18:06.45 | liiwi | Bor_Ed: and 1.25Ghz G4 from apple is ~1500e for full system without screen. |
| 18:07.02 | Bor_Ed | that's for dual :) |
| 18:07.12 | Bor_Ed | checked apple store a while backl |
| 18:07.21 | liiwi | hrm? |
| 18:07.33 | liiwi | 1800+ for dual |
| 18:07.40 | Bor_Ed | sure ? |
| 18:07.51 | simonrvn | jjbenham: i'm no expert on this :/. all i know is that the issue is being worked on. i don,t know how far that's gotten |
| 18:08.23 | Bor_Ed | aww, 1924 bucks for dual g4 |
| 18:09.08 | Bor_Ed | liiwi: http://karju.uwasa.fi ... I paid 2 eur for lc475 couple of weeks ago with tube :) |
| 18:09.15 | simonrvn | heh the loonie at almost 0.80 $ us, it's almost worth it ;P |
| 18:09.44 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed wants to make an m68k cluster :P |
| 18:09.49 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 18:10.03 | Bor_Ed | just if someone would sponsorship me some full '040/25's :P |
| 18:10.31 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn: you check out the site too (aloita käyttö) or similar to get in :) |
| 18:11.07 | simonrvn | those accents didn't come out, i'm on utf8 |
| 18:11.19 | simonrvn | i just see big blanks where they should be |
| 18:11.40 | Bor_Ed | aloita kaytto then ... but shouldn't make troubles on the site |
| 18:11.46 | jjbenham | simonrvn: I always assumed it dissipated the heat out throught the case and that is why the fan rarely turned on. |
| 18:12.01 | simonrvn | jjbenham: i wouldn't know |
| 18:19.23 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: i'll also put up the script to extract the kernel config from the kernel. there's always zcat /proc/config.gz (|less || > config) too ;) |
| 18:20.07 | Bor_Ed | ookay :o |
| 18:23.55 | simonrvn | you'll see when it boots :) |
| 18:24.08 | Bor_Ed | if ... :P |
| 18:24.13 | simonrvn | when |
| 18:24.24 | Bor_Ed | ookay, you're the guru here :) |
| 18:24.36 | simonrvn | hehehe, ..guru.. hehe |
| 18:24.40 | simonrvn | riiight |
| 18:24.54 | Bor_Ed | btw, I still don't have cable to hook up for OF so it better off to work :P |
| 18:25.22 | simonrvn | shouldn't need any fancy crap in OF. np |
| 18:25.50 | Bor_Ed | well I can't select between 2.4.22 and 2.6 anyway ... I need to friggin start with install floppies if it kabooms :) |
| 18:25.56 | chris` | Anyone with a working 2.6.1 config for an ibook2 and xfs? Can't seem to figure out what I'm missing |
| 18:26.41 | simonrvn | chris`: what box is this exactly? |
| 18:26.52 | chris` | simonrvn: g4 ibook 933 |
| 18:27.06 | simonrvn | h/w. what's the h/w on it |
| 18:28.00 | chris` | I assume h/w = hardware? |
| 18:29.05 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:29.34 | chris` | I'm not really sure what some of it is, lspci gives a lot of unknown devices in the output |
| 18:30.06 | simonrvn | you using sid? |
| 18:30.34 | chris` | yes |
| 18:31.45 | simonrvn | and it's giving you unknowns? weird |
| 18:32.08 | simonrvn | cat /proc/pci i suppose |
| 18:32.37 | sloopy | what does lspci say? |
| 18:34.28 | chris` | Pretty much all "Apple Computer Inc. : Unknown Device" except for the VGA |
| 18:34.43 | chris` | Looks like the firewire/ethernet are also identified |
| 18:35.05 | sloopy | hmmm do a lspci -n |
| 18:35.21 | chris` | done |
| 18:35.28 | sloopy | it should list the numbers of the storage devices... |
| 18:35.52 | sloopy | check the h/w list in the source and make sure they are listed... |
| 18:39.44 | liiwi | Bor_Ed: heh, http://karju.uwasa.fi/cgi-bin/auction.pl?category=mac&item=1074236447 |
| 18:43.45 | Bor_Ed | yup ? |
| 18:44.12 | Bor_Ed | I bought lc475, 36MB/230MB+13" mac color display at 2 eur :P |
| 18:44.15 | sloopy | for those of us just struggling with engrish, how about an xlate? |
| 18:44.25 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: not bad price... |
| 18:44.47 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: you have linux n it yet? :') |
| 18:44.54 | Bor_Ed | sloopy: nope... there's now better specced at 2 eur :) |
| 18:45.16 | sloopy | better specced? |
| 18:45.21 | Bor_Ed | nope, bought that box to kid so it's got mockos now... installing AUX to IIci tho as soon as I can get it to boot from floppy |
| 18:45.29 | Bor_Ed | sloopy: 16" display and 1.1G HD |
| 18:45.36 | sloopy | ahh... |
| 18:46.14 | Bor_Ed | bad thing on lc475 is that you need to use unstable fpu emulation or get hands on full '040 cpu |
| 18:46.27 | sloopy | i have a Q800 with a 17" 136megs ram and 4gig hd.... i need to reinstall linux on it tho... |
| 18:46.55 | Bor_Ed | nice box :) |
| 18:47.18 | sloopy | yeah... ihave ran linux on it since about ~'97 :') |
| 18:47.46 | Bor_Ed | why not just to dist-upgrade or has it got too much 'dust' inside ? |
| 18:48.43 | sloopy | it has 2.2r3... r4, r5 would crash... libc problem... i started using linux on ppc and never upgraded it to 3.0 |
| 18:49.12 | Bor_Ed | doesn't 2.2 dist-upgrade to 3.0 ? |
| 18:49.23 | sloopy | abouot two months ago i was gonna use it as a router for my cablemodem but the enet card i have doesnt work... |
| 18:49.30 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: yeah probly does... |
| 18:49.57 | Bor_Ed | I run pmac7200/90 here as router/desktop (debian unstable ofcourse:) |
| 18:51.21 | Bor_Ed | liiwi: gotta mail to karju admin and ask if they finally got deb on that too :P |
| 18:51.59 | sloopy | i used my 8500 for a short while now i have a mac clone as my router (Umax C500 200Mhz 603ev 64megs ram) |
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| 18:52.33 | Bor_Ed | ppc gear is pretty nice to have as router, rootkits usually don't work :P |
| 18:52.54 | sloopy | heh... |
| 18:53.30 | chris` | ah, I think I figured out why I'm having problems |
| 18:54.08 | chris` | When I boot my 2.4.23 kernel the xfs netinst used it makes the dvd/cdrw as hda and the hard drive as hdc |
| 18:54.15 | chris` | However, the 2.6.1 kernel is reversing that |
| 18:54.23 | Bor_Ed | gee :) |
| 18:55.05 | chris` | Now to figure out *why* it's doing that |
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| 18:57.10 | netbrain | anyone here installed debian om mav ibook? |
| 18:57.14 | netbrain | anyone here installed debian om mac ibook? |
| 18:57.43 | demon_ | chris: probably because the 2.4.23 kernel wasn't built with the option to see the ATA100 IDE interface first |
| 18:58.15 | chris` | demon_: so should I edit yaboot.conf with the new root and pray it boots? |
| 18:58.22 | chris` | hrm, or I could pass the parameter |
| 19:00.07 | chris` | yep, that fixed it |
| 19:01.28 | simonrvn | http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/osx/ |
| 19:02.28 | chris` | oops, forgot the sun gem driver |
| 19:03.58 | deltree | sungem does not work in 2.4.23 |
| 19:04.33 | chris` | I'm not using 2.4.23 either :) |
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| 19:07.14 | netbrain | i did a mistake by restarting the pc after making a new partition map trying to install linux on a mac ibook. by doing so i effectively remove yaboot too. (im such a dumbass) anyways my mac i clean now. no mac osx nor linux. anyway i can install linux from here |
| 19:08.22 | kimo_sabe | netbrain: got an install cd? |
| 19:08.49 | chris` | Even if you remove yaboot, you can still get to the OSX boot selector by holding Option as you boot |
| 19:08.49 | kimo_sabe | or thumb drive to put the boot files on? |
| 19:08.53 | netbrain | debian install cd.. yes. |
| 19:09.01 | chris` | That's what I did when I fscked up yaboot |
| 19:09.32 | kimo_sabe | netbrain: try the option boot first, otherwise you should be able to reinstall from the CD no problem |
| 19:10.04 | netbrain | kimo_sabe: from the debian installation cd? |
| 19:10.10 | kimo_sabe | netbrain: yeah |
| 19:10.41 | netbrain | how? holding down the option key at startup? |
| 19:10.46 | kimo_sabe | netbrain: yes |
| 19:10.52 | netbrain | btw.. im no mac genius.. |
| 19:11.01 | netbrain | ok gimme a sex |
| 19:11.06 | netbrain | sec even |
| 19:11.25 | chris` | I like having the LED on the ibook as a hdd activity indicator |
| 19:11.42 | chlunde | It's very annoying at night ;) |
| 19:12.13 | chris` | chlunde: it can't be as annoying as the sleeping "fade in, fade out" that the light does when I'm trying to sleep :) |
| 19:12.17 | netbrain | kimo_sabe: uhm. when i did that a blue screen apperead with two buttons. one which i think refreshes. and the other doesn't do anything. |
| 19:12.30 | chlunde | chris`: Hehe, no :) |
| 19:12.42 | chris` | netbrain: hold 'c' when you boot to boot straight to the cdrom |
| 19:13.16 | chlunde | Both the charger and the "sleep light" makes the room way too bright. |
| 19:13.52 | netbrain | chris`: ok gimme a sec |
| 19:16.11 | netbrain | chris`: nothing happened. but i have tried doing apple+alt+o+f and writing boot cd. but then i get load-size is too small.. |
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| 19:16.49 | spacecowboy | anyone have 2.6.1-ben1 |
| 19:17.26 | Bor_Ed | soon... |
| 19:17.34 | spacecowboy | namely? |
| 19:17.44 | spacecowboy | building? |
| 19:17.45 | Bor_Ed | simon is building one for me :P |
| 19:17.48 | spacecowboy | oh |
| 19:18.08 | spacecowboy | simonrvn: have you tried both the rc and the regular? |
| 19:18.14 | Bor_Ed | this doesn't cut on compiles so I give that kinda thingy to others :) |
| 19:19.52 | chris` | To get accelerated X working with this radeon 9200 do I have to build Xfree cvs or will xfree 4.3 in experimental work? |
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| 19:22.08 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: it's building the modules now |
| 19:22.13 | Bor_Ed | mmm |
| 19:22.15 | Bor_Ed | nice |
| 19:22.36 | simonrvn | spacecowboy: rc, regular, 2.6.1? |
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| 19:23.24 | simonrvn | no, i've been staying away from mainline, ever since having to patch swim3. tired of patching kernels every time i want to build one |
| 19:23.37 | netbrain | anyone know how i can boot this fuckin linux installation cd? |
| 19:24.08 | chris` | I had no problem burning / booting with the ppc xfs netinst disc |
| 19:24.26 | Bor_Ed | the woody install cd doesn't boot on new enough boxes |
| 19:25.16 | simonrvn | netbrain: stick cd in, hold c key, type install24 at the yaboot prompt |
| 19:25.34 | simonrvn | and use the /topic one |
| 19:26.12 | netbrain | simonrvn: nothing happens when i hold in c. and the disk is empty. there isnæt a single partition created |
| 19:26.50 | simonrvn | c is for cd boot |
| 19:28.57 | netbrain | simonrvn: yes i know |
| 19:29.04 | netbrain | but it's not booting the debian installation cd. what so ever |
| 19:29.24 | netbrain | any way i can boot from open firmware? |
| 19:29.35 | simonrvn | type boot cd from OF |
| 19:31.11 | netbrain | yes. ive done that but i get an error. LOAD-SIZE is too small |
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| 19:35.26 | simonrvn | increase the load size then. setenv load-base um, try 60000 first, then increase to 100000. IOW' in OF, do setenv load-base 60000, then try 100000 |
| 19:35.39 | simonrvn | what's it set to now btw? |
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| 19:38.28 | netbrain | simonrvn: how can i get the value it is set? |
| 19:40.38 | simonrvn | printenv |
| 19:41.03 | jjbenham | what does this mean? IN from bad port 64 at c01d33b4 |
| 19:41.22 | simonrvn | 3.5M 2004-01-11 19:18 vmlinux* |
| 19:41.27 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: ^^ |
| 19:41.38 | simonrvn | jjbenham: alsa bug |
| 19:41.40 | Bor_Ed | wee, just enough for quik :P |
| 19:41.54 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: quik in sid can handle bigger than that now |
| 19:42.20 | Bor_Ed | I recalled even it has the 3.6MB limit ?-o |
| 19:42.30 | simonrvn | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.7M 2004-01-11 10:11 /boot/vmlinux-2.6.1-ben1 |
| 19:42.48 | Bor_Ed | ok ok :) |
| 19:42.50 | simonrvn | benh fixed that |
| 19:43.10 | chris` | I take it the rsync in the topic is out of date? |
| 19:43.25 | Bor_Ed | kernel is up to date, topic isn't |
| 19:43.34 | chris` | ok |
| 19:43.35 | simonrvn | rsync.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de::linuxppc-2.5-benh |
| 19:43.44 | simonrvn | what i used last time |
| 19:44.23 | netbrain | simonrvn: hehe fuck. have i just fucked up the mac? when i changed the env-var boot-device to something else? |
| 19:45.06 | simonrvn | if you're worried about that, and want to reset it to defaults, do command-option-p-r |
| 19:47.05 | netbrain | all i get is a black screen |
| 19:50.41 | simonrvn | after doing what? |
| 19:51.36 | netbrain | well i try too boot. but all i get is a black screen. so i try to reset to defaults. i press command+option+p+r but still i just get a black screen |
| 19:52.37 | xaiki | any doc outthere to know how to use X without a second mouse button, or how to emulate it 'a la' macosx ? |
| 19:54.37 | deltree | xaiki: you can emulate the missing buttons with keys... |
| 19:55.13 | xaiki | deltree: can you point me to anything ? i realy have no clues of how to do that... |
| 19:55.46 | deltree | xaiki: pbbuttons... |
| 19:56.02 | xaiki | is the /proc/sys/dev/mac... of any help ? |
| 19:56.18 | deltree | ??? |
| 19:59.29 | jjbenham | simonrvn: I get similar error in /var/log/messages before the hard drive even mounts. rom bad port 64 at c01d9d5c |
| 20:01.00 | deltree | cat /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button* |
| 20:01.05 | deltree | xaiki: p'tet là... |
| 20:01.31 | xaiki | deltree: c'etait a ca que je penssais. |
| 20:01.38 | xaiki | mais qd je change les keycodes, ca fait rien.. |
| 20:01.43 | xaiki | (sous X tout du moins ..) |
| 20:01.43 | deltree | (oops... starting to speak french in an english-speaking chan :) |
| 20:01.53 | xaiki | (oops too =) |
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| 20:04.08 | deltree | xaiki: I have it in /etc/sysconfig/mouse-emulation ... but it is on a yellowdog... pretty sure no to be in such a place in debian... |
| 20:04.39 | deltree | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.39 | deltree | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.39 | deltree | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:04.55 | deltree | xaiki: this is more interesting... from the file that uses the sysconfig one :) |
| 20:04.56 | xaiki | deltree: hi |
| 20:05.05 | simonrvn | @+3 buttons |
| 20:05.08 | ravenbird | sysctl -w dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation=1, and sysctl -w XX dev/mac_hid/mouse_buttonY_keycode -- where XX is a number you get from showkey (in console only), the key you want, and Y is 2 or 3. however, you'll lose functionality of the selected keys for any other use, or to make the change permanent, add the entries to /etc/sysctl.conf - man sysctl.conf, and you can enable it immediately by running sysctl -p after you've edited sysctl.conf |
| 20:05.36 | chris` | Do I want agppart if I'm going to use the accelerated radeon driver? |
| 20:06.08 | simonrvn | probably. check out the dri stuff at sourceforge too |
| 20:07.10 | chris` | Just cleaning up this kernel config I got off l.d.p.ppc to fit my ibook more |
| 20:08.53 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: your kernel is happily compiling away. i need to sleep for a bit. i'll put it up in my /src/ dir (http://simonraven.nuit.ca/src/) when it's finished. later all |
| 20:09.08 | Bor_Ed | ok, thanks |
| 20:09.21 | chris` | Now to decide if I want alsa or oss |
| 20:09.24 | chris` | Opinions? |
| 20:13.14 | xaiki | mb |
| 20:13.18 | xaiki | thx ravenbird |
| 20:19.49 | netbrain | simonrvn: is it really that easy to fuck up a mac.? just to change an environment variable OF? |
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| 20:50.26 | alessandro_ | hi |
| 20:51.25 | alessandro_ | I've a proble to partition ma hd |
| 20:52.00 | sloopy | which machine? |
| 20:52.15 | alessandro_ | I don't know what shoul I do I would like to put only deb |
| 20:52.23 | alessandro_ | sloopy, powerbook g4 |
| 20:52.44 | alessandro_ | now I've 10 patition |
| 20:53.00 | sloopy | hmmm... sorry i am more knowledgable on older hardware |
| 20:54.24 | alessandro_ | but first 7^ i'm not able to remove |
| 20:57.45 | chris` | alessandro_: start with "i" to reinit the partition table |
| 20:58.00 | chris` | Then "b" to add the bootstrap to the beginning of the disc |
| 20:58.07 | chris` | From there just add your debian partitions and you're done |
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| 21:19.34 | anjalein | hi, how can i set my keyboard for the right layout_ |
| 21:20.04 | anjalein | hi, how can i set my keyboard for the right layout? |
| 21:21.32 | anjalein | nobody here? |
| 21:22.03 | Bor_Ed | try /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and set to right layout |
| 21:22.34 | anjalein | Bor_Ed: sorry...for console...no x |
| 21:22.42 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 21:23.21 | Bor_Ed | you need to copy keymap to /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 21:23.26 | sk1p_ | or dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 21:23.36 | Bor_Ed | it's somewhere on /usr/share I recall |
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| 21:26.17 | anjalein | sk1p: there is an error message> failed to dump keymap |
| 21:26.29 | sk1p | humm... |
| 21:26.55 | sk1p | never heard that before... try googling for that |
| 21:36.06 | spacecowboy | hmm |
| 21:36.36 | spacecowboy | simonrvn hey dude |
| 21:36.44 | spacecowboy | simonrvn you around anymore |
| 21:36.58 | spacecowboy | mhmmm |
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| 21:51.02 | cy_ | 'lo folks |
| 21:51.54 | cy_ | yo |
| 21:52.07 | cy_ | ive gota 6100/66 oldworld ppc......... |
| 21:52.14 | cy_ | is it debianpcc useable ? |
| 21:53.03 | sloopy | http://nubus-pmac.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:56.24 | cy_ | aight |
| 21:57.11 | cy_ | should i first drop a YDL on it before woody ? |
| 21:57.21 | cy_ | cos id like to get some deb experiences.... |
| 21:59.53 | spacecowboy | go for debian :) |
| 22:00.24 | cy_ | from the beginni on.... |
| 22:00.36 | cy_ | thats what i wanted to hear ;) |
| 22:00.47 | cy_ | s/beginni/beginnin' |
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| 22:01.30 | Hans-Martin | hi folks |
| 22:03.04 | cy_ | do i need this nubus-pmac thing ? 0o |
| 22:03.34 | cy_ | cant i just burn the woody discs (havent looked at it yet) and install it from cd ? |
| 22:03.38 | Bor_Ed | 6100 is nubus mac so yes |
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| 22:05.29 | cy_ | wb spacecowboy |
| 22:06.30 | spacecowboy | thanks |
| 22:06.36 | cy_ | np. |
| 22:06.40 | spacecowboy | simonrvn you around? |
| 22:06.44 | cy_ | i dont know |
| 22:06.47 | spacecowboy | this is pissing me off |
| 22:06.55 | cy_ | can imagine |
| 22:06.58 | cy_ | heh. |
| 22:06.59 | spacecowboy | lol |
| 22:07.11 | cy_ | whats the quickest way to get debianppc ? |
| 22:07.15 | cy_ | running* |
| 22:07.31 | cy_ | do i have to reinstall the mac os first ? |
| 22:08.38 | cy_ | o my.... |
| 22:08.57 | Hans-Martin | cy_: on an old world mac you need macos on the machine |
| 22:09.06 | Hans-Martin | so the answer is yes |
| 22:09.16 | sloopy | cy_: that web page should have all you need to know to install... |
| 22:09.22 | cy_ | i have it on the machine...... |
| 22:09.25 | cy_ | 7.x something |
| 22:09.28 | Hans-Martin | good |
| 22:09.32 | cy_ | 8.x is bad ? |
| 22:09.41 | Hans-Martin | no, but 7.x is slim |
| 22:09.51 | Hans-Martin | and good enough afaik |
| 22:10.02 | cy_ | yea |
| 22:10.04 | cy_ | im reading |
| 22:10.06 | cy_ | http://www.sonic.net/~mroeder/beowoof/installingLinux.html |
| 22:10.26 | cy_ | so at part 3, where he installs YDM |
| 22:10.31 | cy_ | i just drop in a deb ? |
| 22:10.37 | cy_ | :) |
| 22:10.56 | Hans-Martin | I think that should work, but I did not read the page... |
| 22:11.21 | cy_ | debianppc.org ? |
| 22:12.18 | Hans-Martin | can't read that right now :-( |
| 22:12.20 | spacecowboy | shit i feel like an idiot |
| 22:12.38 | cy_ | no dont |
| 22:12.41 | cy_ | IM the idiot here. |
| 22:12.43 | cy_ | :D |
| 22:12.44 | spacecowboy | how do i apply a .bz2 |
| 22:12.47 | spacecowboy | patch |
| 22:12.51 | spacecowboy | lol i'm 15 |
| 22:12.54 | spacecowboy | you def are not the idiot |
| 22:12.55 | cy_ | u need to bunzip it |
| 22:13.00 | spacecowboy | cy_ yea |
| 22:13.01 | sk1p | bzcat blah | patch |
| 22:13.02 | cy_ | LOL k. you win. |
| 22:13.05 | spacecowboy | but i think i can bzcat |
| 22:13.06 | spacecowboy | yea |
| 22:13.08 | spacecowboy | i got it |
| 22:13.14 | sk1p | ;) |
| 22:13.16 | spacecowboy | sk1p i did it already :-p |
| 22:13.18 | spacecowboy | lol |
| 22:13.34 | cy_ | aight |
| 22:13.39 | sk1p | spacecowboy: you got a pb, too, right? |
| 22:14.15 | spacecowboy | yea |
| 22:14.19 | spacecowboy | sk1p whatsup :) |
| 22:14.43 | sk1p | one with keyboard backlight? |
| 22:14.59 | spacecowboy | no |
| 22:15.04 | sk1p | hm okay.. |
| 22:15.20 | sk1p | got a little program ready to make that work ;) |
| 22:17.03 | spacecowboy | cool |
| 22:17.12 | spacecowboy | ive been doing all of my music |
| 22:17.14 | spacecowboy | and ipod shit |
| 22:17.15 | spacecowboy | so |
| 22:17.23 | spacecowboy | i'm going back to a 2.4.23-pre5-ben0 |
| 22:17.26 | Hans-Martin | brb - got to reconfigure my network... |
| 22:17.36 | spacecowboy | so i can get that hfsplus built for 2.4.23-pre5-ben0 |
| 22:17.44 | spacecowboy | the one in 2.6 just doesn't work ;-p |
| 22:18.00 | sk1p | hm... here it spits out a message at boot time |
| 22:18.16 | sk1p | and mounts it read only :\ |
| 22:18.25 | spacecowboy | weird |
| 22:18.29 | spacecowboy | dude you know what |
| 22:18.31 | spacecowboy | i have a question |
| 22:18.38 | spacecowboy | i wonder... i lost my old 2.4.23 .config |
| 22:19.16 | spacecowboy | can i backtrack with a make oldconfig from a newer version... namely a 2.6.1-rc1-ben1? |
| 22:19.16 | spacecowboy | you understand what i am saying... |
| 22:19.16 | sk1p | yea i understand |
| 22:19.16 | sk1p | but i don;;t think you can |
| 22:19.20 | sk1p | all the config variables have changed |
| 22:20.00 | spacecowboy | sk1p hmm |
| 22:20.05 | spacecowboy | sk1p its worth a shot :-p |
| 22:20.10 | spacecowboy | either way i have bens .config |
| 22:20.11 | sk1p | heh. good luck ;) |
| 22:20.18 | spacecowboy | i love to meddle with the rules |
| 22:20.21 | spacecowboy | its the way i learn |
| 22:20.25 | sk1p | ;-) |
| 22:23.52 | spacecowboy | uhh |
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| 22:28.14 | Hans-Martin | WLAN works :-) |
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| 22:30.32 | GeeSeCillo | hi |
| 22:30.41 | GeeSeCillo | someone have a airport car ? |
| 22:30.43 | GeeSeCillo | card |
| 22:33.34 | spacecowboy | sk1p do i want generic rtc emulation |
| 22:33.39 | spacecowboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.40 | spacecowboy | shit |
| 22:33.42 | spacecowboy | hmm |
| 22:34.05 | sk1p | yea, i think that's the right one |
| 22:34.32 | malik_ | spacecowboy: yes, you do ;-) |
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| 22:35.01 | Hans-Martin | GeeSeCillo: I've got an Orinoco, which is comparable |
| 22:35.11 | Hans-Martin | (and I just got it to run :-) |
| 22:35.19 | GeeSeCillo | Hans-Martin, ;) |
| 22:35.34 | GeeSeCillo | Hans-Martin, i want a monitoring support with airport... |
| 22:35.44 | GeeSeCillo | do u know some? |
| 22:36.16 | Hans-Martin | no - did not have enough time yet to look for fun tools to play with my card... |
| 22:36.34 | GeeSeCillo | ok thanx ;P |
| 22:36.36 | Hans-Martin | what kind of monitoring do you want? wardriving etc? |
| 22:36.41 | spacecowboy | lol this is going to be atrocious |
| 22:36.42 | spacecowboy | :( |
| 22:36.43 | spacecowboy | whatever |
| 22:36.45 | spacecowboy | lol |
| 22:37.17 | malik_ | GeeSeCillo: tried kismet ? |
| 22:37.59 | GeeSeCillo | malik_, i havent suppor for monitoring... |
| 22:38.34 | spacecowboy | GeeSeCillo if you have an airport :) |
| 22:38.58 | GeeSeCillo | spacecowboy, in iwpriv not view a monitoring support.... |
| 22:39.02 | spacecowboy | GeeSeCillo: kismet... airsnort... |
| 22:39.06 | spacecowboy | whatelse |
| 22:39.08 | spacecowboy | ettercap |
| 22:39.23 | GeeSeCillo | spacecowboy, u have a wifi card? |
| 22:39.49 | GeeSeCillo | paste me a out of iwpriv please |
| 22:45.42 | GeeSeCillo | Hans-Martin, ? |
| 22:45.58 | Hans-Martin | wanted to send you an iwpriv output... |
| 22:46.11 | GeeSeCillo | ok |
| 22:50.16 | GeeSeCillo | i need have a monitor (8BE8) : set 2 int & get 0 |
| 22:50.17 | GeeSeCillo | xD |
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| 23:01.23 | spacecowboy | GeeSeCillo |
| 23:01.23 | spacecowboy | ok |
| 23:01.24 | spacecowboy | GeeSeCillo you still here? |
| 23:01.28 | spacecowboy | /bin/sh: line 1: iwpriv: command not found |
| 23:01.31 | spacecowboy | shit |
| 23:01.36 | spacecowboy | i have to be root |
| 23:01.38 | spacecowboy | so lazy |
| 23:02.57 | GeeSeCillo | ;) |
| 23:03.15 | sk1p | :) |
| 23:06.05 | Hans-Martin | bye folks... |
| 23:12.19 | jjbenham | do I need vga console support and counsel frame buffer at the same time? Or should I choose one or the other? |
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| 23:20.00 | demon_ | on a powerpc, the vga console support won't do anything |
| 23:20.17 | demon_ | you want framebuffer console |
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| 23:21.32 | demon_ | on a powerpc, you don't have vga |
| 23:27.13 | sourdough | oh it will do something, it will break things |
| 23:27.43 | demon_ | I've had it turned on before |
| 23:27.46 | sourdough | there are actually a couple powerpcs with vga, but not very damn many, and none in active development |
| 23:27.54 | demon_ | and it didn't do anything on my powerbook |
| 23:27.55 | sourdough | demon_ usually it causes boot failure |
| 23:28.18 | sourdough | maybe it was fixecd at one point not to crash when its not there.. |
| 23:29.19 | sourdough | during woody development when drow was misguidedly trying to make one-size-fits-all kernels he turned it on, it caused the kernel to blow up on everything framebuffer-only |
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| 23:44.29 | jjbenham | I don't have an real counsel. I boot inot gdm. I can't figure out how to get a counsel. I have framebuffer console support in. I did not select any fonts for it though. I left the default |
| 23:44.47 | jjbenham | could including vga support be what is screwing it up? |
| 23:45.18 | wasabi | macs don't do vga do they? heh |
| 23:45.22 | sourdough | counsel=lawyer |
| 23:45.35 | sourdough | try CONFIG_LAWYER=y |
| 23:45.44 | sourdough | wasabi hell no |
| 23:45.55 | wasabi | yah that's what I thought |
| 23:45.58 | sourdough | vga support will screw things up, turn it off |
| 23:46.07 | wasabi | why is it listed? |
| 23:46.13 | wasabi | do any ppcs do it? |
| 23:46.24 | sourdough | wasabi there are a couple old powerpc machines (non-apple) that have vga |
| 23:46.26 | jjbenham | ha ha sorry I can't spell worth a damn |
| 23:46.27 | wasabi | ahh |
| 23:46.52 | sourdough | wasabi basically old x86 with powerpc chips stuck in |
| 23:47.35 | jjbenham | i will take it out and see if that fixes it |
| 23:47.38 | jjbenham | thanks |
| 23:50.48 | jjbenham | I got confused because if you hit ? on vga text consel support it says just select Y. |
| 23:51.02 | sourdough | of course it idoes |
| 23:51.09 | sourdough | the help is written by x86 weenies |
| 23:51.15 | sourdough | its required on x86 |
| 23:54.24 | jjbenham | ha ha |
| 23:55.00 | jjbenham | sourdough what are you running on? which ppc? |