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| 01:30.56 | W-A-R-I-O | hi all |
| 01:31.03 | W-A-R-I-O | i have the problem |
| 01:31.16 | W-A-R-I-O | on ppc table partition |
| 01:31.38 | anjalein_ | which problem? |
| 01:31.44 | W-A-R-I-O | who want help me? |
| 01:32.07 | W-A-R-I-O | for swap partition |
| 01:32.50 | simonrvn | press c, then type swap for a name |
| 01:33.02 | anjalein_ | hi simonrvn |
| 01:33.07 | simonrvn | hi |
| 01:33.26 | W-A-R-I-O | first block: |
| 01:33.53 | simonrvn | you can do say, 4p for the 4th partition, etc. |
| 01:35.12 | W-A-R-I-O | the first partition map |
| 01:35.16 | W-A-R-I-O | is good? |
| 01:36.00 | simonrvn | anjalein_: good :) (i prefer speaking in the channel unless it is private) |
| 01:36.13 | anjalein_ | ok |
| 01:36.57 | chris` | This is interesting, X is using "radeon" and it doesn't complain about not being able to load the module but I definitely don't have acceleration |
| 01:37.43 | simonrvn | try turning UseFBDev off |
| 01:38.08 | simonrvn | W-A-R-I-O: please don't /msg me. and read what we said |
| 01:38.18 | chris` | Do I explicitly need it set to false or can I just omit the UseFBDev entry? |
| 01:38.32 | simonrvn | W-A-R-I-O: as in, 1p for first partition, 2p for second, etc. |
| 01:38.43 | simonrvn | chris`: try both |
| 01:39.38 | simonrvn | W-A-R-I-O: please keep it to the channel |
| 01:40.03 | W-A-R-I-O | ok |
| 01:41.27 | W-A-R-I-O | I must cancel all Partition? |
| 01:41.42 | simonrvn | why? |
| 01:42.07 | simonrvn | do you still want osx on the hard drive? |
| 01:42.13 | W-A-R-I-O | I have installed mac osx |
| 01:42.17 | W-A-R-I-O | yes |
| 01:42.36 | simonrvn | did you paritition it so macox is first? |
| 01:42.44 | simonrvn | you'd go: |
| 01:42.46 | W-A-R-I-O | i have /dev/hda6 on drive |
| 01:42.53 | W-A-R-I-O | yes |
| 01:43.15 | simonrvn | 1. nw bootblock 2. macosx 3. linux partitions |
| 01:44.06 | W-A-R-I-O | i can delete all partition |
| 01:44.09 | W-A-R-I-O | no problem |
| 01:45.58 | simonrvn | W-A-R-I-O: there is a tutorial on how to do this. http://penguinppc.org/projects/yaboot/doc/yaboot-howto.shtml |
| 01:46.01 | W-A-R-I-O | tok tok |
| 01:46.29 | simonrvn | and mac-fdisk howto at the same site |
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| 01:46.52 | simonrvn | http://penguinppc.org/projects/yaboot/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.shtml |
| 01:49.04 | chris` | simonrvn: is the mesa lib from daenzer's site required for acceleration or is XF from experimental sufficient? |
| 01:50.30 | W-A-R-I-O | bad partition number |
| 01:50.33 | W-A-R-I-O | why? |
| 01:50.48 | W-A-R-I-O | sorry my english is LOW |
| 01:50.49 | W-A-R-I-O | :) |
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| 01:51.06 | simonrvn | chris`: i'd try with the exp. stuff. only the dri is needed (i *think*) |
| 01:51.51 | simonrvn | W-A-R-I-O: paste the last couple lines of what you see here (or type them) |
| 01:52.49 | W-A-R-I-O | i have deleted all |
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| 01:53.51 | W-A-R-I-O | ./dev/hda1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63 @ 1 (31.5k) Partition map |
| 01:54.52 | W-A-R-I-O | ./dev/hda2 Apple_Free Extra 39070016 @ 64 (18.6G) Free space |
| 01:55.27 | simonrvn | um, if you want to boot macosx you can't do that |
| 01:55.42 | simonrvn | just q, an DO NOT w (write) the partition map |
| 01:56.04 | simonrvn | W-A-R-I-O: read what i pasted here to you |
| 01:56.11 | simonrvn | http://penguinppc.org/projects/yaboot/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.shtml |
| 01:57.28 | W-A-R-I-O | how I can make? |
| 01:57.39 | chris` | ...... |
| 01:57.53 | simonrvn | go read that, it will tell you how to do it, and keep your driver partitions |
| 01:59.20 | W-A-R-I-O | now |
| 02:00.14 | W-A-R-I-O | ./dev/hda1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63 @ 1 (31.5k) Partition map |
| 02:00.31 | simonrvn | don't do anything until you go read that |
| 02:00.57 | chris` | simonrvn: At what point do you say "Stick with macosx" ? |
| 02:01.15 | simonrvn | when i get fed up ;) |
| 02:01.29 | simonrvn | :P |
| 02:01.29 | W-A-R-I-O | ./dev/hda2 Apple_Boot eXternal booter 17408 @ 64 |
| 02:01.53 | simonrvn | W-A-R-I-O: i'm not saying it again. DON'T IGNORE ME |
| 02:01.55 | chris` | hrmm, building radeonfb directly into the kernel is probably isn't helping my problem |
| 02:01.58 | W-A-R-I-O | ./dev/hda3 Apple_UFS Apple_UFS_ |
| 02:02.12 | chris` | W-A-R-I-O: please stop pasting your partition table here |
| 02:02.14 | simonrvn | chris`: could that it's too old |
| 02:02.37 | W-A-R-I-O | HELP ME |
| 02:02.45 | W-A-R-I-O | Knock |
| 02:02.50 | chris` | W-A-R-I-O: read the documentation you were given |
| 02:02.51 | W-A-R-I-O | :) |
| 02:02.57 | simonrvn | NOT. UNTIL. YOU. DO. SOME. READING |
| 02:03.14 | chris` | simonrvn: I'm thinking I need to remove the radeonfb from kernel and then include the X drm driver for Radeon |
| 02:03.17 | chris` | Sound right to you? |
| 02:03.17 | W-A-R-I-O | documentation no good for mr |
| 02:03.29 | W-A-R-I-O | my english |
| 02:03.34 | W-A-R-I-O | no good |
| 02:03.34 | chris` | W-A-R-I-O: Then use OSX, linux is beyond you |
| 02:03.38 | simonrvn | W-A-R-I-O: i bet you haven't even read it.. so read it slowly |
| 02:03.56 | simonrvn | take your time, it'S worth it |
| 02:04.15 | chris` | The partitioning takes like 30 seconds if you read the docs |
| 02:04.38 | simonrvn | chris`: i have little to no experience with it. anything you try is probably going to be better than what little advice i can give you |
| 02:06.08 | simonrvn | send me a radeon card, then can help :P |
| 02:06.15 | W-A-R-I-O | DEBIAN FOREVER |
| 02:06.20 | chris` | I'll figure it out, I always do :) |
| 02:06.25 | chris` | W-A-R-I-O: READING FOREVER |
| 02:06.30 | W-A-R-I-O | eheheh |
| 02:06.38 | W-A-R-I-O | YES |
| 02:06.52 | simonrvn | and please stop with the all caps. it's called shouting |
| 02:07.08 | simonrvn | (which is why i was typing like that) |
| 02:07.45 | simonrvn | well, i need to attend to stuff here. bbiab |
| 02:10.44 | W-A-R-I-O | ok ok ok |
| 02:10.49 | W-A-R-I-O | ok ok o |
| 02:10.55 | W-A-R-I-O | woW |
| 02:14.07 | W-A-R-I-O | very tankS!! |
| 02:15.55 | simonrvn | you're welcome |
| 02:27.38 | W-A-R-I-O | wow |
| 02:27.51 | W-A-R-I-O | install kernekand driver modules |
| 02:27.54 | W-A-R-I-O | wow |
| 02:28.00 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:31.41 | W-A-R-I-O | install the base system |
| 02:31.43 | W-A-R-I-O | .... |
| 02:40.27 | W-A-R-I-O | enter password for root: |
| 02:40.29 | W-A-R-I-O | heheheh |
| 02:41.12 | W-A-R-I-O | password of root is...................<simonrvn> |
| 02:41.14 | W-A-R-I-O | hehehehhehe |
| 02:42.40 | simonrvn | yeh, right.. plase don't do that :) |
| 02:51.23 | Sam-I-Am | hmmm |
| 02:51.31 | Sam-I-Am | tard detector picked up something |
| 03:00.25 | simonrvn | heh |
| 03:03.59 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 03:04.20 | Sam-I-Am | building isc dhcpd... oh, the joy |
| 03:04.27 | simonrvn | wee. |
| 03:05.42 | Sam-I-Am | yeah, whee |
| 03:05.49 | Sam-I-Am | some things need to get autoconf scripts |
| 03:05.56 | Sam-I-Am | like, move on to modern times already |
| 03:06.11 | Sam-I-Am | getting isc stuff to install where i want it is a pain |
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| 04:53.39 | zorton | arch/ppc/kernel/kernel.o(.text+0x563dc): undefined reference to 'cpu_temp_both' |
| 04:53.53 | zorton | and then a bunch of relatedstuff...any ideas? |
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| 05:48.43 | egg | where is the setup program located for XF86? |
| 05:50.43 | egg | or will I have to edit XF86Config manually |
| 05:56.08 | jjbenham | which xf86config |
| 05:56.15 | jjbenham | /usr/bin/X11/xf86config |
| 05:56.34 | jjbenham | is that the one you are talking about? |
| 05:57.11 | egg | well, when i ran the base-config program, i downloaded all the packages, then it went into a config program for X |
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| 05:58.12 | egg | it's all set up completely wrong and i want to go through again |
| 05:58.12 | egg | ah here we go |
| 05:58.13 | egg | thanks |
| 05:58.14 | jjbenham | I have never tried xf86cfg. It is a graphical version |
| 05:58.57 | egg | What kind of Mouse? Bus mouse? |
| 05:59.31 | jjbenham | what machine do you hav |
| 05:59.34 | jjbenham | have? |
| 05:59.41 | egg | Oldworld PPC |
| 06:01.19 | jjbenham | I don't have one of those. I have to go now. sorry |
| 06:02.42 | egg | >:( |
| 06:10.28 | egg | Anyone else? What protocol does a mac mouse use? Bus Mouse? |
| 06:12.20 | kimo_sabe | egg: usually goes through the input layer, so it comes out like "PS/2" from /dev/input/mice |
| 06:12.35 | egg | k thanks |
| 06:13.38 | egg | Keyboard type? |
| 06:13.44 | egg | Sorry if i'm being a nuicance |
| 06:13.56 | egg | argh can't spell today |
| 06:15.00 | kimo_sabe | should be using PC-style scan codes, so the PC keymaps should work |
| 06:19.04 | egg | this isn't going to work. i dunno why i'm trying :) |
| 06:20.46 | egg | and it didnt. oh well. |
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| 08:12.10 | sloopy | hmmm... i would say this install works... |
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| 08:35.19 | sloopy | how do you get rid of the menu at the top of the screen? |
| 08:36.17 | simonrvn | which screen? |
| 08:36.42 | sloopy | X... there is the gnome menu... i just want the panel... |
| 08:37.07 | simonrvn | righ click on it, and do remove panel or something |
| 08:38.03 | sloopy | nope... |
| 08:38.41 | simonrvn | there is a way to do it, i know there is |
| 08:39.04 | sloopy | yes i know too... i just dont remember how... it has been a while since i have ran debian.... |
| 08:39.36 | sloopy | i love it... in /proc/cpuinfo it says i have a 195Mhz cpu :') |
| 08:40.10 | simonrvn | the ydl kernel tell you the real speed? |
| 08:41.07 | sloopy | i didnt use the stock ydl kernel... i used 2.4.23-benh1 but yes it did... |
| 08:41.29 | sloopy | the bogomips are correct tho... |
| 08:42.28 | simonrvn | hmm |
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| 08:46.55 | sloopy | i am not concerned about it... i am using the 2.2 kernel, IIRC there was a problem with reporting correct cpu speed on G3's... tomorrow when i have had some sleep i will be compiling a 2.4.23 kernel anywho... |
| 08:47.50 | sourdough | sloopy 2.4.24, .23 has security holes |
| 08:48.15 | sloopy | sourdough: i meant a kernel newer then current which is 2.2 |
| 08:48.21 | simonrvn | yeh g3 upgraded oldworlds have this issue. and yeh, .24 is safer |
| 08:48.29 | sloopy | sourdough: i just installed debian on my 8500... |
| 08:48.38 | sourdough | ah |
| 08:48.43 | sourdough | 2.4.24 is good |
| 08:48.52 | simonrvn | is that the 8500 that's really a 7300 and a 9600 or whatever? |
| 08:49.06 | sloopy | simonrvn: no this is my actual 8500... |
| 08:49.09 | sourdough | *500 used basically the same mainboard |
| 08:49.11 | simonrvn | oh ok :) |
| 08:49.18 | sloopy | the 9600 has its 9600 mobo back in it now... |
| 08:49.25 | simonrvn | nods |
| 08:50.01 | sloopy | and the 300Mhz 604ev in it too... and the G3 is in this machine... and the 7300 mobo is in the box the 9600 mobo was in... |
| 08:50.08 | simonrvn | can anyone reach www.nuit.ca? |
| 08:50.15 | sloopy | speaking of which i still have the 1meg cache card... |
| 08:50.27 | simonrvn | mmm 1 mb cache =) |
| 08:50.43 | simonrvn | L2 cache: 512K unified |
| 08:51.04 | simonrvn | forgot the tr sorry =) |
| 08:51.44 | sloopy | took forever for dns resolve... still hasnt connected (nuit.ca) |
| 08:51.48 | sourdough | PING www.nuit.ca (66.11.160.83): 56 data bytes |
| 08:51.48 | sourdough | --- www.nuit.ca ping statistics --- |
| 08:51.48 | sourdough | 1 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
| 08:51.49 | sloopy | tr? |
| 08:52.26 | sloopy | cpu: 750 |
| 08:52.26 | sloopy | temperature : 0 C |
| 08:52.26 | sloopy | clock: 195MHz |
| 08:52.26 | sloopy | revision: 2.2 |
| 08:52.26 | sloopy | bogomips: 814.78 |
| 08:52.27 | sloopy | z |
| 08:52.42 | sloopy | this is a screamer machine :') |
| 08:53.25 | simonrvn | hmm, ok. thanks guys |
| 08:53.57 | simonrvn | sourdough: try that ping now |
| 08:55.19 | sourdough | PING www.nuit.ca (66.11.160.83): 56 data bytes |
| 08:55.19 | sourdough | --- www.nuit.ca ping statistics --- |
| 08:55.19 | sourdough | 1 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
| 08:55.40 | simonrvn | now it's weird... |
| 08:55.48 | sloopy | hmmm i need more memory for this machine... |
| 08:56.17 | simonrvn | tr '\t' '\ ' == trnaslate tab to space |
| 08:56.21 | simonrvn | trans* |
| 08:56.40 | simonrvn | tab = ^i |
| 08:57.04 | sourdough | 14 linrouter.istop.com (66.7.129.219) 83.454 ms 83.560 ms 83.277 ms |
| 08:57.05 | sourdough | 15 trouter.istop.com (66.11.167.162) 85.281 ms 84.157 ms 84.481 ms |
| 08:57.05 | sourdough | 16 * * * |
| 08:59.25 | simonrvn | i got the same from samspade |
| 09:00.06 | simonrvn | our subnet got changed, that's why the dns fuckage |
| 09:00.09 | sourdough | is that your isp's router? |
| 09:00.39 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 09:00.51 | simonrvn | the * one is probably me though, or my router |
| 09:01.58 | sourdough | yup |
| 09:12.06 | sourdough | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.19 | sloopy | simonrvn: want my wet noodle to give them 50 lashes? |
| 09:13.43 | mmaddin | simonrvn: I guess egads.ertius.org is slave for the zone? at your ISP? And pulling the zone from your machine? Tell them to update the master IP then... |
| 09:13.46 | simonrvn | it'S ok :) |
| 09:14.07 | simonrvn | ertius is ok, they have the right data |
| 09:14.35 | mmaddin | k, so no DNS problem. Just plain connectivity |
| 09:14.37 | simonrvn | i buzzed my isp about the dns... it was just done yesterday, so i'm not worried yet |
| 09:14.51 | simonrvn | ur, day before.. |
| 09:15.20 | simonrvn | connectivity is sucking right now. i tried with both firewall down and up, and both are blah |
| 09:16.28 | sourdough | -EEXCESSIVEWINDOWSVIRUS |
| 09:20.48 | simonrvn | not this time =) |
| 09:20.52 | simonrvn | oh great |
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| 09:28.05 | sourdough | simonrvn -EDDOS ;-) |
| 09:28.13 | sourdough | i know you have more problems with that then most.. |
| 09:29.19 | simonrvn | hehe. had one just the other night, ffs :/ |
| 09:34.15 | sourdough | your probably quite good at DoS resistent system config and such |
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| 09:48.06 | simonrvn | heh |
| 09:48.23 | simonrvn | nah, i'm just fucking paranoid ;P |
| 09:49.08 | simonrvn | i hear of some potential security issue, i go and fix it ASAP *shrug* |
| 09:50.19 | sourdough | thats good |
| 09:50.28 | sourdough | too bad more admins are not like that |
| 09:51.17 | sloopy | i am waaay to tired... i am going to sleep... |
| 09:51.31 | simonrvn | i figure better safe than sorry. sometimes it'S really hard.. like make it as secure as possible, without making impossible to use the system.. |
| 09:51.42 | simonrvn | g'night sloppy |
| 09:51.52 | simonrvn | woops sloopy *blush* |
| 09:52.03 | sloopy | simonrvn: i am used to it ;') |
| 09:52.33 | sloopy | i rem in college... a professer once told me there is only one secure computer... 'a computer that is turned off' |
| 09:53.05 | mmaddin | and the power cable pulled. and the case sealed in a concrete block. and sunk on the ocean floor ;-) |
| 09:53.53 | sourdough | sloopy that is true, but no excuse not to bother |
| 09:59.35 | sloopy | sourdough: i thought the comment in an to itself was funny... the usefulness of a machine not running is limited... most to how many doors you need held open... |
| 09:59.55 | sloopy | there was more to the convo then that also... |
| 10:04.25 | sourdough | that comment is really a cliche |
| 10:04.58 | sourdough | kind of thing liked by arrogant tenured professers |
| 10:05.13 | sourdough | because `technically' its true |
| 10:05.55 | sourdough | but we live in the real world where there are things like `relativity' and such a thing as `practical' |
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| 12:18.55 | Jeedo | how do i set the locale to is_IS in debian? |
| 12:18.57 | Jeedo | just installed |
| 12:22.28 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:25.54 | Jeedo | just that? |
| 12:29.46 | Jeedo | and are there some docs that deal with post-install stuff like this? |
| 12:33.56 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 12:34.59 | Jeedo | where |
| 12:35.01 | Jeedo | i couldnt find it @ debian |
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| 12:45.51 | simonrvn | probably /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 15:03.49 | strat50s | hi |
| 15:05.33 | dolphy | does 2.6.1 kernel bring a real perf speed up on powermac G4 ? |
| 15:06.51 | strat50s | would Debian XFS for New PowerMac work in a new ibook G4? |
| 15:11.33 | RQ | strat50s: i think it should |
| 15:14.56 | Bor_Ed | http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/ <<--- LOL |
| 15:15.22 | Dizzutch[work] | can we run that tool on the mars-rover? |
| 15:15.23 | Dizzutch[work] | :) |
| 15:15.26 | chris`work | strat50s: I used the xfs cd for new powermacs on my ibook |
| 15:15.42 | Bor_Ed | dunno, still loading the article (slashdotted) |
| 15:16.15 | chris`work | I don't see what the point of "debtakeover" is, it basically does the same thing as clearing the fs and installing debian, it doesn't convert anything |
| 15:16.20 | chris`work | Might as well do a clean install |
| 15:17.10 | Bor_Ed | prolly keeps some settings or such during the 'cleaning' |
| 15:17.34 | strat50s | thanks chris`work |
| 15:18.13 | simonrvn | still trying to load the README |
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| 15:18.43 | Bor_Ed | site times out here... grmbl |
| 15:19.14 | simonrvn | probably overloaded |
| 15:19.51 | simonrvn | bbiab |
| 15:20.59 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.40 | jaska | its a good ddos system |
| 15:25.21 | Bor_Ed | http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:Y53TiVbw-qgJ:www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 <<-- google cache for those who don't get to the site directly |
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| 15:38.49 | simonrvn | ah there we go |
| 15:39.23 | Bor_Ed | hmm, apple 20" t |
| 15:39.30 | Bor_Ed | trinitron tube at 20 eur |
| 15:39.47 | Bor_Ed | tho I have already couple of 19-21" screens here without use :I |
| 15:40.35 | simonrvn | Debian GNU/KFreeBSD ? that'S the name now? i should check out the ports page for it.. |
| 15:40.58 | simonrvn | 20" at 20 eur? what's wrong with it? ;) |
| 15:41.00 | Bor_Ed | I was wondering about that too... never seen before |
| 15:41.12 | Bor_Ed | univ scapsale auction :) |
| 15:41.33 | simonrvn | ah, probably just case, and/or cold solder stuff |
| 15:41.36 | Bor_Ed | http://karju.uwasa.fi/cgi-bin/auction.pl?category=other check yerself :) |
| 15:41.51 | Bor_Ed | nope... fully working with good image says the seller :P |
| 15:42.19 | Bor_Ed | ^ is the same place I've bought all the macs here... and all work just fine |
| 15:42.35 | jaska | heh, uwasa is selling stuff again? |
| 15:42.46 | simonrvn | ah cool |
| 15:42.52 | Bor_Ed | jaska, all the time |
| 15:43.04 | Bor_Ed | there's about always something |
| 15:43.08 | jaska | yeah, when i was still in vaasa coworkers bought some weird stuff from there |
| 15:43.31 | Bor_Ed | I've bought 'some' gear from there too |
| 15:43.49 | Bor_Ed | you wouldn't need 5.25" removable scsi case with lock ?-) |
| 15:43.57 | Bor_Ed | (no disk included :() |
| 15:44.21 | jaska | heh |
| 15:44.31 | simonrvn | maybe :) |
| 15:44.37 | Bor_Ed | I ripped the 850MB disk that was included to this box :P |
| 15:44.45 | Bor_Ed | paid 2 eur outta case/drive :)) |
| 15:44.48 | simonrvn | i have a scsi drive sitting in the bottom of my 8500 ... |
| 15:45.23 | jaska | nah, i have a 19" rackmount scsi array :P |
| 15:45.31 | jaska | too bad its not raid |
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| 15:46.13 | Bor_Ed | I'd need to get some dang 4-9 G drives from huuto and replace this boxes drives |
| 15:46.46 | jaska | i never sell anything :D |
| 15:46.51 | jaska | not worth selling really. |
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| 15:47.23 | Bor_Ed | I sold RS's and HP-PA through huuto ... those were taking too much space |
| 15:47.27 | simonrvn | you have a 1u scsi array? fuck man.. do you have an idea where i can get such a thing, like at a uni maybe? |
| 15:47.36 | Bor_Ed | and now I still have some huge tubes here without use :/ |
| 15:47.37 | jaska | 3U |
| 15:47.52 | jaska | bored, arrr... i want more rs6000s |
| 15:48.00 | simonrvn | 3u *drool* |
| 15:48.17 | Bor_Ed | I sold power1 and 601/60's and got C=64 with all the gear in exchange :) |
| 15:48.24 | Bor_Ed | some quality computer :)) |
| 15:49.01 | jaska | my rs is a 604e/233 |
| 15:49.01 | Bor_Ed | jaska, I might be able to get ya an RS ... |
| 15:49.05 | Bor_Ed | gee |
| 15:49.17 | jaska | maxed out e20 |
| 15:49.17 | simonrvn | 233, nice |
| 15:49.34 | Bor_Ed | running 5.1XL ? |
| 15:49.39 | jaska | 4.3.3 |
| 15:49.50 | Bor_Ed | you can get free upgrade from ibm.fi |
| 15:49.50 | jaska | havent bothered getting 5.1 |
| 15:50.05 | Bor_Ed | friend mailed to support and got cd pack in couple of days |
| 15:50.06 | jaska | heh, i have a friend inside ibm.fi, he can get me any ver probably |
| 15:50.15 | Bor_Ed | ahh :) |
| 15:50.16 | myXtie | 601 chips are cheap I have an old one image 100 601ppc's on one board |
| 15:50.19 | jaska | i wonder if the e20 can run aix5 |
| 15:50.37 | Bor_Ed | jaska, power1 cpu runs 5.1XL :P |
| 15:50.43 | Bor_Ed | mca and 44 MHz :) |
| 15:50.47 | jaska | heh |
| 15:50.57 | jaska | then my e20 will too |
| 15:51.06 | Bor_Ed | prolly |
| 15:51.10 | jaska | neat, i need to bug my friend someday |
| 15:52.06 | jaska | if he still works there, that is. |
| 15:52.45 | Bor_Ed | I'll ask friend to put isos online if ya can't get otherwise |
| 15:52.50 | jaska | ok. |
| 15:54.01 | jaska | hmm, looks like hes idle on irc |
| 15:54.55 | Bor_Ed | http://www.huuto.net/fi/showitem.php3?itemid=6600786 <<-- seems that I need to increase C= gear ownership :) |
| 15:55.03 | jaska | heh |
| 15:55.41 | Bor_Ed | only have 3 C=64's, cassette drive and 1541 |
| 15:55.59 | jaska | i sold/gave away my c64 stuff long ago |
| 15:56.30 | Bor_Ed | I've had couple of c64c's for about 8 years ... and got the classic 64 last summer |
| 15:56.47 | jaska | i think mine all were the new kind |
| 15:56.54 | Bor_Ed | still need c128cd and a600 or 1200 |
| 15:56.55 | jaska | i have an a500 somewhere tho |
| 15:57.00 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 15:57.05 | jaska | c128d was funny |
| 15:57.21 | Bor_Ed | cd is funnier... 64KB vram as default :P |
| 15:57.33 | jaska | cd? |
| 15:57.39 | Bor_Ed | or was it cde |
| 15:57.42 | jaska | weird. |
| 15:57.45 | jaska | neverheard :D |
| 15:57.56 | Bor_Ed | the c128d had 16KB vram :) |
| 15:58.35 | jaska | the only commodore i want is c65 :D |
| 15:59.42 | Bor_Ed | no sx64 ?-) |
| 15:59.43 | anjalein_ | simonrvn: thanx for helping....my powerbook is now running vanilla 2.6.1. now i have to try to run xwindows. |
| 15:59.49 | Bor_Ed | or C1 ?-) |
| 16:00.53 | simonrvn | ok |
| 16:01.22 | myXtie | c64's wow how about just a new sandpoint ppc board anything wrong with that ? |
| 16:01.40 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 16:01.46 | Bor_Ed | 8 bits is way enough for anyone :) |
| 16:01.57 | simonrvn | @laugh at Bor_Ed |
| 16:02.00 | ravenbird | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! Bor_Ed just cracks me up! |
| 16:02.10 | myXtie | atari was fun ;) |
| 16:02.23 | Bor_Ed | hey, it runs tcp and multitasking gui OS :P |
| 16:02.29 | simonrvn | i was a c64 head too. though not much of a head.. |
| 16:02.42 | anjalein_ | simonrvn: do you now a good sample xf86config |
| 16:02.54 | simonrvn | not for a powerbook |
| 16:02.59 | anjalein_ | ok.. |
| 16:03.02 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:03.11 | anjalein_ | thanks.....lets google...cu |
| 16:03.52 | anjalein_ | its not so easy..i have to install the experimental 4.3 packages..because radeo 9600 |
| 16:04.07 | simonrvn | yes |
| 16:04.14 | simonrvn | @+experimental |
| 16:04.14 | ravenbird | experimental is If you want to use some certain packages in experimental (probably xfree86 4.3.0), you need first a sources.list line of 'deb http://debian.mirror/debian/ ../project/experimental main', then 'Package: *', 'Pin: release a=experimental', 'Priority: 1001' in /etc/apt/preferences. Remember, it's hard to get to for a reason! do: apt-get -t experimental install foo bar |
| 16:10.46 | anjalein_ | ravenbird: i got an message like W: No priority (or zero) specified for pin |
| 16:10.47 | ravenbird | wish i knew, anjalein_ |
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| 16:15.56 | simonrvn | anjalein_: you don't need to do the pinning, if you use sid already |
| 16:16.12 | chris`work | apt-get install xserver-xfree86/experimental |
| 16:16.48 | chris`work | I should look through experimental, I have no idea what else is in there |
| 16:17.22 | simonrvn | interesting stuff. i suggest an ftp client ;) |
| 16:17.36 | chris`work | I've always used ncftp |
| 16:18.26 | simonrvn | i like ncftp and lftp |
| 16:18.26 | anjalein_ | simonrvn: ok..i use sid...but the sources.list entry i need, or? |
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| 16:18.44 | simonrvn | anjalein_: of course. how else are you going to be able to install it? :) |
| 16:18.59 | anjalein_ | okok...it was a joke! |
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| 16:19.09 | chris`work | Though come to think of it, the official experimental mirrors weren't working for me this week, I had to use finland mirrors |
| 16:19.28 | anjalein_ | http.us.debian.org is working |
| 16:19.41 | chris`work | Good to know |
| 16:19.46 | anjalein_ | i installed from this the experimental packages |
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| 16:22.44 | xaiki | oO ?? |
| 16:22.56 | simonrvn | TUIE? |
| 16:23.22 | xaiki | E: Build-Depends dependency for xfree86 cannot be satisfied because the package openbsd cannot be found |
| 16:23.49 | simonrvn | wtf? |
| 16:24.17 | chris`work | what the... |
| 16:24.21 | xaiki | i need to rebuild X to get the gatos ati.2 driver working, but it seems i need openbsd ???? |
| 16:24.30 | simonrvn | uh, no.. |
| 16:24.48 | xaiki | done apt-get build-deb xfree86 . |
| 16:25.04 | xaiki | do you experience slowness in gnome's startup ? |
| 16:25.14 | xaiki | i got the splash for nearly 3 mins. |
| 16:25.22 | xaiki | ( i use xfce as window manager ) |
| 16:28.33 | anjalein_ | oh lsmod and i get this: gimli:~# lsmod |
| 16:28.33 | anjalein_ | Module Size Used by Not tainted |
| 16:28.35 | anjalein_ | lsmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 16:28.44 | anjalein_ | ??????????? |
| 16:29.05 | simonrvn | you didn't install module-init-tools |
| 16:29.19 | anjalein_ | a package? |
| 16:29.23 | simonrvn | yes |
| 16:30.06 | anjalein_ | i see now i get the right...but no modules loaded... |
| 16:30.29 | anjalein_ | ah i see...because of the make defconfig...its all in the kernel..not as modules |
| 16:54.48 | sloopy | simonrvn: do you ever sleep? |
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| 17:04.28 | sloopy | i am trying to compile a kernel but when i type 'make menuconfig' it says it cant find the Ncurses libraries, even tho they are installed... |
| 17:06.28 | Bor_Ed | libncurses5-dev is needed |
| 17:06.30 | DelTree | sloopy: the development part of ncurses ? |
| 17:07.08 | sloopy | hmmmm ok... |
| 17:07.33 | spir | apt-get install libncurses5-dev ??? |
| 17:08.06 | sloopy | installing now... |
| 17:09.07 | sloopy | hey it has decided to work :') |
| 17:09.11 | sloopy | ty |
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| 17:24.06 | kletter-matze | hi all |
| 17:24.40 | kletter-matze | i hope anyone of you can help me. i want to install debian on an powermac g4 |
| 17:24.58 | kletter-matze | the problem is that the debian installer doesnt't find a harddisk |
| 17:25.20 | Bor_Ed | use the iso mentioned on /topic |
| 17:25.31 | kletter-matze | it tried fdisk -l in a console but only the cdrom is found |
| 17:25.58 | kletter-matze | what do you mean with mentioned on /topic?? |
| 17:26.08 | Bor_Ed | the xfs install iso |
| 17:26.46 | kletter-matze | i don't want a xfs partition... |
| 17:26.59 | kletter-matze | i tried it with many ide disks -> the same error |
| 17:27.09 | Bor_Ed | you can use ext on that iso too... tho it has updated kernel which should work on your computer |
| 17:28.37 | kletter-matze | ah ok, and where can i get it? i couldn't find any here -> http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/images/3.0_r2/ |
| 17:29.36 | Bor_Ed | http://penguinppc.org/~eb |
| 17:29.53 | Bor_Ed | http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/XFS-debian-README.txt |
| 17:29.57 | Bor_Ed | to be exact |
| 17:30.06 | kletter-matze | ok thx a lot |
| 17:30.12 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 17:32.02 | kletter-matze | did you have the same error? |
| 17:33.01 | xaiki | isn't g3 a 64bit processor ? |
| 17:33.11 | xaiki | what is ppc64 ? |
| 17:33.23 | sloopy | xaiki: no the G3 is 32bit |
| 17:33.33 | Bor_Ed | g3 is 32 bit |
| 17:33.41 | sloopy | ppc64 is for 64bit ppc cpu's (i.e. Power4) |
| 17:33.48 | Bor_Ed | ppc970 ('g5') is more or less 64 bit |
| 17:33.57 | Bor_Ed | and power3 and laters are 64 bit |
| 17:33.59 | simonrvn | sloopy: yes |
| 17:34.52 | sloopy | simonrvn: when? ;'P |
| 17:35.04 | simonrvn | soon :) |
| 17:35.23 | sloopy | i am compiling a new kernel now... |
| 17:35.29 | simonrvn | 'g5' *is* 64bit |
| 17:35.48 | simonrvn | good luck :) |
| 17:35.58 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, really ?-) |
| 17:36.21 | simonrvn | hehe, yes of course ;) (but you knew that :) |
| 17:36.27 | sloopy | simonrvn: i have compiled kernels many times... this is the first time for debianppc tho... |
| 17:36.33 | Bor_Ed | I recall it runs stock ppc32 kernel with help of new yaboot to init the cpu :o |
| 17:36.41 | simonrvn | @tell sloopy about kp |
| 17:36.55 | simonrvn | uh yes, and? |
| 17:37.06 | Bor_Ed | nm |
| 17:37.30 | simonrvn | doesn't mean it isn't 64 bit :) |
| 17:37.38 | Bor_Ed | now ^is 64 bit cpu :P |
| 17:37.46 | simonrvn | yes |
| 17:38.00 | Bor_Ed | was it 8 cores on one die and all running at 2GHz ?-o |
| 17:38.10 | jaska | heh |
| 17:38.10 | sloopy | now that i have debian running on my 8500, i need to put it on my Q800 again... |
| 17:38.12 | jaska | mmm |
| 17:38.13 | jaska | power series |
| 17:38.30 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 17:40.12 | jaska | hrrm. weird? |
| 17:40.30 | Bor_Ed | hmm, firebird smooth scroll is fubar'd on sid ... looks fugly while scrolling and has some grey lines appearing randomly |
| 17:42.17 | Jeedo | does /proc/device-tree contain any useful info? |
| 17:43.44 | Bor_Ed | doesn't seem so |
| 17:44.42 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.58 | sloopy | hmmm no pdisk? |
| 17:52.38 | simonrvn | mac-fdisk |
| 17:52.55 | sloopy | ok |
| 17:53.06 | simonrvn | pdisk is ther, but doesn't grok mac partitions (or is that fdisk?) |
| 17:54.40 | sloopy | simonrvn: fdisk... |
| 17:54.59 | sloopy | pdisk is what i usually use in that 'other' linux distro ;') |
| 17:55.38 | sloopy | i missed dselect :') |
| 18:00.33 | simonrvn | oh, so you used debian before? cool |
| 18:05.13 | sloopy | simonrvn: i have only used YDL for the last 8 months... used debian since ~97 before that... |
| 18:07.29 | simonrvn | i see :) |
| 18:08.19 | sloopy | simonrvn: you didnt know that? heh... yeah i used it on m68k... |
| 18:08.36 | sloopy | i installed it once on ppc in 2000 but the machine was sold... |
| 18:08.44 | simonrvn | i want to do that one of these days, re-install debian on the q800 ;) |
| 18:09.49 | sloopy | it would still be on the Q800 but 2.2r4 and r5 had libc problems on it so when i needed a drive for another machine it lost... |
| 18:10.08 | sloopy | when i lived in delaware my Q800 was my fileserver/router.... |
| 18:11.08 | sloopy | it was to be my router here but the enet card wouldnt work... so i used this 8500 as a router... then i got the umax C500's and now that is my router... |
| 18:11.15 | simonrvn | hmm. 2 questions: 1. how is it as a router? 2. dammit forgot the 2nd question... |
| 18:11.28 | simonrvn | oh, what are you using as a router now? |
| 18:11.37 | simonrvn | ok |
| 18:12.26 | sloopy | i used dial up... modem was connected to it... wasnt an exactly fast network... |
| 18:13.42 | simonrvn | i see.. here it's a half-duplex 10bT (just a crap hub that needs replacing with a switch), so would it handle that well? or you need a more powerful box? |
| 18:14.43 | simonrvn | dsl hookup |
| 18:14.45 | sloopy | i used it for cablemodem before and it was fine... big thing is ram... |
| 18:15.00 | simonrvn | ok. it's got 72 MB |
| 18:15.23 | sloopy | oh and also dont run a wm more resource hungry then icewm... |
| 18:15.41 | simonrvn | xfree runs on m68k? how? :) |
| 18:15.46 | sloopy | 72mb should be fine... most of those machines have less then 32megs... |
| 18:15.55 | sloopy | simonrvn: slowly... |
| 18:16.02 | simonrvn | hehehe i bet ;) |
| 18:16.23 | sloopy | i used to use icewm... slow to startup but usable once it had startup... |
| 18:17.36 | simonrvn | ok |
| 18:23.46 | kletter-matze | thx a lot. it works fine! :-) |
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| 18:25.19 | rudkols123 | hallo, ply how can i switch on mouse button emulation? |
| 18:25.46 | Bor_Ed | dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation=1 |
| 18:25.46 | Bor_Ed | dev.mac_hid.mouse_button2_keycode=68 |
| 18:25.46 | Bor_Ed | dev.mac_hid.mouse_button3_keycode=87 |
| 18:25.51 | Bor_Ed | on /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 18:26.10 | Bor_Ed | (f10 as mouse2, f11 as mouse3) |
| 18:26.17 | simonrvn | 68 is F10, and 87 is F11 |
| 18:26.23 | simonrvn | woops :) |
| 18:26.34 | Bor_Ed | yes ?-) |
| 18:27.32 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:28.01 | rudkols123 | and then /etc/init.d/??? |
| 18:28.08 | simonrvn | sysctl -p |
| 18:28.13 | Bor_Ed | nope, sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 18:28.22 | Bor_Ed | and it'll be loaded on every boot automatically |
| 18:28.23 | rudkols123 | great |
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| 18:30.02 | simonrvn | don't need the /etc/sysctl.conf. it's the default |
| 18:30.14 | Bor_Ed | picky :P |
| 18:30.59 | simonrvn | nah, just tired. need to sleep. later people :). hugs all around |
| 18:31.27 | sloopy | nie simon |
| 18:31.43 | rudkols123 | nice ping-pong :) |
| 18:31.51 | Bor_Ed | later |
| 18:35.17 | rudkols123 | see u later. thanx |
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| 18:42.43 | sloopy | time to go see if this new kernel will fly... |
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| 18:58.20 | mattw_ | anyone here familiar with quik (bootloader) |
| 18:58.46 | Bor_Ed | well I use it... not too 'familiar' tho |
| 18:59.12 | mattw_ | I am trying to install it (in gentoo) and having trouble |
| 18:59.39 | mattw_ | I cannot find much information about it, has it been abandoned? |
| 18:59.42 | Bor_Ed | you've got enough troubles when mmentioning gentoo IMO :) |
| 18:59.53 | sloopy | hmmm on my machine i just 'installed' a new kernel and now the keymap in X is foobar... i went from a 2.2 to 2.4 kernel... does it need 'uselinuxkeycodes' or something? |
| 18:59.58 | Bor_Ed | quik should have docs at penguinppc.org |
| 19:00.04 | mattw_ | I know, I am sorry about that but no one in #gentoo-ppc is helping |
| 19:00.26 | Bor_Ed | sloopy, you need sends linux keycodes instead of adb |
| 19:00.33 | sloopy | matt: hmmm try #mklinux might be able to better help... |
| 19:00.42 | Bor_Ed | mattw_, check penguinppc.org ... I recall there was quik and docs |
| 19:00.44 | sloopy | bor: i thought something like that... |
| 19:00.53 | Bor_Ed | it's basically after all more or less lilo format |
| 19:01.10 | mattw_ | thanks guys |
| 19:01.20 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 19:02.13 | sloopy | where/how does that go in? i would guess in the 'Input Device' section but beyond that i dunno... |
| 19:02.39 | Bor_Ed | input or HID or whatwasit |
| 19:03.16 | sloopy | and the line would look like? |
| 19:03.59 | Bor_Ed | keyboard sends adb codes (disable that) |
| 19:05.01 | sloopy | hmmm dont see that, but found a 'FM' i can 'RT' |
| 19:05.39 | sk1p | .oO(http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/keycodes) |
| 19:10.22 | sloopy | sk1p: yes thats the text i found... |
| 19:10.36 | sk1p | ;-) |
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| 19:16.05 | alles32 | good eavning. how is possible to change ressolution in text mode? i have 22" monitor with 640x480 :/ |
| 19:17.13 | Bor_Ed | vga=somemode on yaboot/quik conf |
| 19:18.58 | alles32 | vga=1024x760 forexample? ops, yaboot/quick conf? what is it pleas? |
| 19:19.38 | Bor_Ed | vga=0x31a gives 1280x1024 at 16 bit colors for example |
| 19:19.48 | Bor_Ed | your bootloaders config file |
| 19:20.23 | alles32 | how can i check my possible resolutions? ind where i get this translate table? |
| 19:20.42 | Bor_Ed | it's vesa vga modes+ 0x200 |
| 19:20.54 | Bor_Ed | kernel documentation has the modes |
| 19:21.20 | alles32 | and could u and what is default botloader config file? |
| 19:21.48 | Bor_Ed | depends what bootloader you use |
| 19:21.58 | Bor_Ed | for quik it is /etc/quik.conf |
| 19:22.05 | alles32 | yaboot |
| 19:22.31 | Bor_Ed | that's somewhere on yaboot dir on mockos partition I think... someone with yaboot answer ?-o |
| 19:23.42 | alles32 | ok. and what is the best setting for konkrete videocard and monitor is in kerneldoc too? |
| 19:24.44 | Bor_Ed | no idea, sorry |
| 19:25.01 | alles32 | found /etc/yaboot.conf. must i write this line at the end or it does not matther? |
| 19:25.40 | Bor_Ed | at the kernel section you're about to use |
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| 19:27.19 | alles32 | going checkout man yaboot. thanx for targeting |
| 19:28.39 | Bor_Ed | have phun |
| 19:31.00 | zorton | behold I have produced a link error |
| 19:31.03 | zorton | and it is good |
| 19:32.29 | Bor_Ed | hmm |
| 19:33.27 | zorton | more specficaly a link error while linking the kernel |
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| 19:33.34 | zorton | compiling for a nubuss 7100 |
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| 19:34.41 | Bor_Ed | you have nubus-pmac source/patch ? |
| 19:34.46 | zorton | from platform.o: in function `ppc_rtas_errorlog_scan': undefined reference to `call-rtas` |
| 19:34.49 | pflipp | hello! |
| 19:34.59 | zorton | source from the bkbits tree for the nubus kernel |
| 19:35.05 | Bor_Ed | ok |
| 19:35.09 | pflipp | question: |
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| 19:35.44 | pflipp | today I've got a nice ole RS/6000, which appears to have a "Carolina" motherboard |
| 19:36.01 | pflipp | Debian won't work with it, for a lack of the "Carolina" patch |
| 19:36.29 | pflipp | AFAIK, I have no real means of cross-compiling the kernel, |
| 19:36.54 | pflipp | so what should I do? -- and should I file a bug against kernel-image-*-prep?? |
| 19:37.01 | Bor_Ed | google for rs6000 debian install howto ... not sure if it'd work with your box |
| 19:37.30 | pflipp | I know it doesn't... it loops on SCSI detection, it's quite documented, see: |
| 19:38.09 | pflipp | http://www.amberdata.demon.co.uk/carolina/ |
| 19:38.39 | pflipp | I' |
| 19:38.47 | pflipp | ve had a floppy of some other distro working |
| 19:39.06 | pflipp | but it doesn't do IDE, so I can't read my CD-ROM %) |
| 19:39.20 | Bor_Ed | the rs6k debian howto is just for 43p |
| 19:39.20 | zorton | found it |
| 19:39.25 | zorton | CONFIG_ALL_PPC is not set |
| 19:39.56 | pflipp | correct, it seems that Debian doesn't support this mobo, although my guess is it could, just with this patch..? |
| 19:39.57 | zorton | so the funcation call_rtas is never defined |
| 19:41.36 | Bor_Ed | pflipp, you've checked this ? http://adequat.c2a.fr/linux/howtos/rs6000 ? |
| 19:43.40 | pflipp | hmm... not sure if it's Carolina-specific... |
| 19:44.05 | Bor_Ed | worth trying anyway |
| 19:44.53 | pflipp | yeah, just that I don't know any version numbers etc. for these machines yet |
| 19:45.49 | pflipp | http://home.tiscali.be/philipa/rs6000.html |
| 19:45.53 | pflipp | also some info |
| 19:46.16 | Bor_Ed | ibm developerworks has some info/downloads too |
| 19:47.20 | pflipp | ah... heh... |
| 19:47.22 | pflipp | http://dom.magd.ox.ac.uk/computing/rs6000/ |
| 19:47.28 | pflipp | has a deb :-) |
| 19:47.36 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 19:48.30 | pflipp | let's see now, if I use a "random" carolina patched kernel, can I kickstart the install CD with taht? |
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| 19:49.09 | pflipp | nah, I need them to boot from a floppy first |
| 19:49.11 | Bor_Ed | if/when you get any installer or rescue up, deb installer should work |
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| 19:49.40 | Bor_Ed | I recall even seeing some doc that described booting from HD and to kick in installer |
| 19:50.24 | pflipp | yeah, I could also boot from the net, but it's a hassle |
| 19:50.24 | sebfrance | hello, I intend to buy a laptop, I'll probably go for a mac, out of curiosity, is there any documentation I should read about it or are they generally pretty well supported under linux ? |
| 19:50.51 | pflipp | anyway, looking from the tiscali link, I am quite confident that this is the install I need, I see some references to the patches |
| 19:51.01 | pflipp | Should I still file a bug report, d'ya think? |
| 19:51.11 | Bor_Ed | apple laptops usually run ok, tho airport extreme card isn't supported |
| 19:51.21 | Bor_Ed | pflipp, shoot to ml and see what happens :) |
| 19:51.49 | pflipp | hmm I think I'll just file it |
| 19:51.54 | pflipp | thanks a bunch |
| 19:52.11 | Bor_Ed | np |
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| 19:53.31 | Hans-Martin | hi folks |
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| 20:05.31 | sebfrance | Bor_Ed: thanks |
| 20:05.54 | Bor_Ed | :) |
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| 20:40.27 | alles32 | hi. i chceck something about changimg the resolution in console, but dont get nothig conkreetly. in google there is no info about parametr vga=someresolution . where i must write it? |
| 20:42.13 | Bor_Ed | it's some framebuffer doc ... a sec |
| 20:42.52 | Bor_Ed | kernel-parameters.txt or boot-prompt-HOWTO has more info |
| 20:43.10 | sk1p | vga= won't work on ppc. and if you're using the openfirmware framebuffer, it won't let you change resolution |
| 20:43.30 | Bor_Ed | aww, didn't know that |
| 20:45.57 | alles32 | on my old ppc i can change resolution on hardware reduction between old mac and standard vga conector. now i have g4 with 22" and res 640x480 is too funny :) |
| 20:46.27 | alles32 | i am no so expired with this, so have i any chance to change it? |
| 20:46.41 | sk1p | what graphics card? |
| 20:48.36 | alles32 | nv |
| 20:48.50 | alles32 | some g force |
| 20:49.04 | chris` | Check "lspci -v" |
| 20:50.18 | alles32 | nvidia |
| 20:50.28 | sk1p | hm... so you could try the riva framebuffer... but it has problems with some geforce4 cards.. won't work with mine, for example |
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| 20:51.11 | alles32 | and how can i setup it? |
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| 20:52.17 | sk1p | you'll have to compile a kernel for that, i'm afraid.. |
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| 20:54.09 | alles32 | aha, ist too dificult for me.:/ |
| 20:55.57 | Hans-Martin | alles32: compiling a kernel is pretty easy - once you have the config done... |
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| 20:58.03 | jeroen_ | anyone experience with G3 B&W ? Have a problem booting |
| 20:58.21 | jeroen_ | it says that the load size is too small... |
| 20:58.58 | jeroen_ | has it do to with the ramsize ? |
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| 21:34.02 | Hans-Martin | re folks |
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| 23:09.15 | _mechanix | hi ,is anyone here using oldworld's ? |
| 23:09.41 | _mechanix | i'm having a problem getting 2.6.x to compile (X = 0 or 1) |
| 23:10.27 | _mechanix | SWIM3 Driver (Support For Powermac Floppy) simply doesn't compile....complains about wrong types and undeclared variables... ;// |
| 23:11.23 | mmaddin | I have similar problem (undeclared identifiers in ide/ppc/pmac.c) with 2.6.x on newworld :-( |
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| 23:11.50 | spacecowboy | howdy all |
| 23:11.52 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 23:11.57 | mmaddin | hi spacecowboy :) |
| 23:12.02 | spacecowboy | btw the current is 2.6.1-ben1 |
| 23:12.03 | _mechanix | the make process halts badly in swim3.c |
| 23:12.07 | _mechanix | a loooot of errors |
| 23:12.07 | spacecowboy | i'm just lazy |
| 23:12.35 | _mechanix | buggy buggy ;) |
| 23:12.56 | _mechanix | right now i'm on 2.4.24 and it works fine for me.... i even felt sort of a speedup |
| 23:13.17 | spacecowboy | ? |
| 23:13.19 | spacecowboy | ok... |
| 23:13.38 | spacecowboy | _mechanix is there xfs in 2.4.24? |
| 23:13.59 | spacecowboy | hrm... |
| 23:14.03 | spacecowboy | i have 2.6.1-rc1-ben1 |
| 23:14.07 | _mechanix | _mechanix : don't know for sure... i didn't looked for it.... |
| 23:14.16 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 23:14.16 | _mechanix | xfs is better than ext3? (how much better?) |
| 23:14.22 | spacecowboy | much much better |
| 23:14.28 | spacecowboy | Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 23:14.28 | spacecowboy | /dev/hda4 xfs 37G 4.4G 33G 12% / |
| 23:14.28 | spacecowboy | //sean/jt smbfs 75G 44G 32G 58% /home/jt/sean |
| 23:14.36 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 23:14.49 | _mechanix | geee , smbfs (75g) |
| 23:15.03 | _mechanix | how can i run a cmd and get its output on bitchx? |
| 23:15.10 | spacecowboy | ? |
| 23:15.13 | spacecowboy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:15.22 | spacecowboy | like that command i did was /exec -o df -Th |
| 23:15.23 | _mechanix | Filesystem 1M-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 23:15.23 | _mechanix | /dev/sda7 5780 1387 4100 26% / |
| 23:15.23 | _mechanix | /dev/sdb7 1832 1310 429 76% /mnt/linux_2gb |
| 23:15.27 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 23:15.37 | _mechanix | Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 23:15.37 | _mechanix | /dev/sda7 ext3 5.7G 1.4G 4.1G 26% / |
| 23:15.37 | _mechanix | /dev/sdb7 ext3 1.8G 1.3G 429M 76% /mnt/linux_2gb |
| 23:15.42 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 23:15.45 | spacecowboy | cool |
| 23:16.00 | spacecowboy | i am getting sick oh the hight school |
| 23:16.20 | _mechanix | it's oldworld but linux makes it a very usable machine.... |
| 23:17.11 | _mechanix | i don't play games .... i just try to code , and tweak/use my system , so this powermac does this type of job gracefully |
| 23:17.26 | spacecowboy | dude |
| 23:17.28 | _mechanix | and i have full support to its hardware (including the kewl PlanB video in heheheh) |
| 23:17.34 | spacecowboy | are you implying because i'm 15 i want to play games |
| 23:17.46 | spacecowboy | ;p |
| 23:17.56 | _mechanix | spacecowboy : u're right ;D |
| 23:18.14 | spacecowboy | i love games though |
| 23:18.22 | spacecowboy | i just don't know of any good linux ones i could play |
| 23:18.27 | spacecowboy | been to lazy |
| 23:18.44 | spacecowboy | mp3blaster is a killer program |
| 23:18.49 | spacecowboy | but it doesn't :( |
| 23:18.51 | _mechanix | spacecowboy : play ksokoban... ;) |
| 23:18.53 | spacecowboy | i still am using it |
| 23:18.56 | spacecowboy | ? |
| 23:19.04 | spacecowboy | is that for kde? |
| 23:19.15 | spacecowboy | i'm talking about non-xfree86 |
| 23:19.19 | _mechanix | no graphical dazzling thingie , just an old cratepusher game |
| 23:19.28 | spacecowboy | ohhhhh |
| 23:19.31 | spacecowboy | ok |
| 23:19.35 | spacecowboy | we were talking about two different things |
| 23:19.52 | _mechanix | one thing PPC is missing (a lot) ... a svgalib wrapper ... |
| 23:20.03 | _mechanix | a lot of kewl games were written for svgalib... |
| 23:20.10 | sloopy | mechanix: i use a 8500 also for linux... |
| 23:20.35 | spacecowboy | either way |
| 23:20.39 | spacecowboy | i have to go |
| 23:20.43 | spacecowboy | work and parents |
| 23:20.43 | _mechanix | sloopy : kewl!!! |
| 23:20.51 | spacecowboy | well parent |
| 23:20.52 | spacecowboy | peae |
| 23:20.52 | _mechanix | sloopy : clock speed? |
| 23:20.53 | spacecowboy | peace |
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| 23:20.56 | sloopy | right now i am on a 9600 |
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| 23:21.04 | _mechanix | u have 2 oldworlds? |
| 23:21.17 | sloopy | processor: 0 |
| 23:21.17 | sloopy | cpu: 604ev |
| 23:21.17 | sloopy | clock: 350MHz |
| 23:21.17 | sloopy | revision: 1.0 (pvr 000a 0100) |
| 23:21.17 | sloopy | bogomips: 349.79 |
| 23:21.17 | sloopy | machine: Power Macintosh |
| 23:21.19 | sloopy | motherboard: AAPL,9500 MacRISC |
| 23:21.21 | sloopy | detected as: 16 (PowerMac 9500/9600) |
| 23:21.25 | sloopy | pmac flags: 00000000 |
| 23:21.27 | sloopy | L2 cache: 256K unified |
| 23:21.29 | sloopy | memory: 384MB |
| 23:21.31 | sloopy | l2cr override: 0xb9180000 |
| 23:21.33 | sloopy | pmac-generation: OldWorld |
| 23:21.35 | sloopy | thats this machine... |
| 23:21.36 | _mechanix | hmmmmm |
| 23:21.39 | sloopy | i also have an oldworld machine for my router... a UMAX C500 |
| 23:21.49 | _mechanix | processor: 0 |
| 23:21.50 | _mechanix | cpu: 604 |
| 23:21.50 | _mechanix | clock: 150MHz |
| 23:21.50 | _mechanix | revision: 3.5 (pvr 0004 0305) |
| 23:21.50 | _mechanix | bogomips: 299.82 |
| 23:21.52 | _mechanix | machine: Power Macintosh |
| 23:21.54 | _mechanix | motherboard: AAPL,8500 MacRISC |
| 23:21.56 | _mechanix | detected as: 16 (PowerMac 8500/8600) |
| 23:21.58 | _mechanix | pmac flags: 00000000 |
| 23:22.00 | _mechanix | L2 cache: 256K unified |
| 23:22.02 | _mechanix | memory: 64MB |
| 23:22.04 | _mechanix | pmac-generation: OldWorld |
| 23:22.06 | _mechanix | strange... |
| 23:22.31 | sloopy | whats strange? |
| 23:22.33 | _mechanix | your clock speed is double of mine...and my bogomips rating goes no more than 30% lower than yours |
| 23:23.22 | sloopy | bogomips is Meaningless Indicator of Proccessor Speed... |
| 23:23.42 | sloopy | it is only useful for same models of CPU's |
| 23:24.00 | _mechanix | so we can't trust bogomips as indicator of speed in different archs too? |
| 23:24.03 | sloopy | yours is a 604 mine is a 604ev (also known as a Mach V ) |
| 23:24.17 | _mechanix | they aren't almost identical!? |
| 23:24.43 | sloopy | nope... it is actually used for timing within the kernel... |
| 23:24.53 | sloopy | they are almost but not exactly... |
| 23:25.09 | _mechanix | there is a way to measure performance in global way!? |
| 23:25.16 | chris` | top |
| 23:25.25 | chris` | well, that probably doesn't count |
| 23:25.28 | _mechanix | one way to do arch and processor independent comparisons.... |
| 23:25.36 | _mechanix | hehhehehehe , top ;// |
| 23:25.45 | sloopy | there are 'standard' way but they are as useful as the paper they are written on... |
| 23:26.07 | chris` | There's no easy way to do far cross-arch comparisions |
| 23:26.22 | _mechanix | i wanted something that could show us a score or somethin... |
| 23:26.22 | chris` | Unless you had code that compiled on each arch and was optimized exactly the same on each |
| 23:26.23 | sloopy | the only true test of how fast a machine is by using it for what you need done... |
| 23:26.28 | chris` | Good luck finding that :) |
| 23:26.47 | _mechanix | ;/ |
| 23:26.49 | _mechanix | euheaiuiua |
| 23:26.53 | _mechanix | btw.... |
| 23:27.04 | _mechanix | look at this strannnge issue in my system |
| 23:27.17 | _mechanix | i've installed in this machine, in first time , debian woody 3.0r1 |
| 23:27.22 | _mechanix | all went fine.... |
| 23:27.32 | _mechanix | only basedebs... |
| 23:27.46 | _mechanix | then i changed sources.list to point to unstable |
| 23:27.57 | _mechanix | did an update / dselect / dist-upgrade .... |
| 23:28.12 | _mechanix | all went fine too! |
| 23:29.05 | _mechanix | but when i start X , a bunch of messages from some process that "startx" spawns come in the terminal i run X ... "not loading .note.GNU-stack" |
| 23:29.15 | _mechanix | "Not Loading .note.GNU-stack" |
| 23:29.39 | _mechanix | this is not a issue...it doesn't give my any problems, it just happens when X is starting , and then nothing more ... |
| 23:29.55 | _mechanix | its just an annoying thing that i want to shred out... |
| 23:30.13 | chris` | You can ignore that |
| 23:30.21 | chris` | If you google for it you'll see it's harmless |
| 23:31.26 | _mechanix | i know it's harmless but isn't normal ;D |
| 23:31.34 | chris` | It is normal |
| 23:31.42 | chris` | Check the X lists |
| 23:31.49 | _mechanix | where?! |
| 23:32.01 | chris` | Look back to where I said "google" |
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| 23:33.13 | _mechanix | hmmmm |
| 23:33.17 | _mechanix | interesting word ;) |
| 23:33.21 | _mechanix | ;P |
| 23:34.17 | _mechanix | i'm looking for a G3 Upgrade for my 8500 |
| 23:34.42 | _mechanix | i found one (here in brazil) for about R$300 (98USD) |
| 23:34.54 | _mechanix | G3/300 1mb from DayStar (PRO) |
| 23:35.37 | _mechanix | but users have reported this card does artifacts on thousand colors (15bit) modes , the modes that i most use (for performance , as i'm using the control video adapter from logic board , that sucks) |
| 23:37.26 | sloopy | mechanix: only 15bit mode works in control in linux... |
| 23:37.35 | _mechanix | i know ;/ |
| 23:37.52 | _mechanix | that's why i'm concerned about this g3 upgrade ruining 15 bit modes in some 8500 |
| 23:38.22 | sloopy | in my 8500 i have a MACh Speed Carrier from XLR8... works great in linux.. |
| 23:38.22 | _mechanix | sloopy : i use 24 bit too... (800x600) and it looks great ...but very very slowwww |
| 23:38.48 | _mechanix | it is a ZIF carrier huh? what processor did u put in ?! |
| 23:39.25 | _mechanix | how many money did u spent in it? |
| 23:39.50 | sloopy | mechanix: ahhh... when i tried it, it didnt work for me... i use 1280x1024 on the machine now so 15bit is only option.... |
| 23:40.06 | _mechanix | hmmm |
| 23:40.10 | _mechanix | u have 4mb of vram? |
| 23:40.15 | _mechanix | i only have 2 ;/ |
| 23:40.19 | sloopy | _mechanix: i bought it 3 years ago... for $250... (i bought two at the time...) |
| 23:40.27 | _mechanix | i use 1024x768@15 |
| 23:40.40 | _mechanix | and when i'm brave for the slowdown .... 800x600@24 |
| 23:40.48 | _mechanix | looks much better and a LOT slower |
| 23:40.58 | sloopy | i got it with a 500Mhz G3... but i put that in my B&W G3 and put the 400Mhz from the G3 in the zif... |
| 23:41.27 | _mechanix | and what about speed/ |
| 23:41.28 | _mechanix | !? |
| 23:41.51 | _mechanix | how many times faster than the original 604? |
| 23:41.53 | sloopy | it runs fast... faster then this machine which is a 350mhz 604ev |
| 23:42.27 | sloopy | dunno... i never had the original 604... i bought the machine used, i got it with a 233Mhz 604 |
| 23:42.56 | _mechanix | so , about performance 233 604 x 400 G3 |
| 23:43.00 | _mechanix | 2x faster? |
| 23:44.13 | _mechanix | the offer here is for a G3/300 .... it must be about 2.5x faster than an original PPC604@150mhz |
| 23:45.35 | sloopy | dunno... your quantizing a subjective measure... |
| 23:45.53 | _mechanix | yeah ..... |
| 23:46.15 | sloopy | uh then my answer is 'green' ;') |
| 23:46.37 | _mechanix | but as some friend of ours said, it's impossible to measure speed and compare then as they are different processors ;D |
| 23:46.58 | _mechanix | gee~ |
| 23:46.58 | sloopy | pretty much... |
| 23:47.30 | _mechanix | can u play DIVX/Mpeg/AVI in your 8500/G3@400 (Almost Fullspeed) ? |
| 23:47.38 | _mechanix | mplayer sucks a lot here |
| 23:47.59 | sloopy | if what you are asking is 'should i get the G3 upgrade?' then the answer is 'if you want to put up with the color shifts until you can get a video card' |
| 23:48.00 | _mechanix | i have to use mplayer with -nosound -fs -vo fbdev (gee!) etc |
| 23:48.37 | _mechanix | u use a separate video card on 8500 ? |
| 23:49.11 | sloopy | no, i dont... but if the card available to you gives artifacts then getting a video card would be a good idea... |
| 23:49.28 | _mechanix | no no it doesn't give me any artifacts |
| 23:49.35 | sloopy | i have used a Voodoo3 2000 in my 8500 and it runs fine... |
| 23:50.16 | _mechanix | voodoo3 2000 ? bought a mac version or any PC PCi would fit? (i use a PC USB Board here ehehhehe) |
| 23:50.47 | sloopy | it is a PC version flashed for mac os use... |
| 23:51.08 | sloopy | this machine has a pc USB 2.0 card and a pc IDE ata/133 card... |
| 23:51.53 | _mechanix | oh , about the artifacts.... some users at lowendmac.com said that this G3 upgrades causes some artifacts on onboard video on 8500 (chaos/control) on 15 bit...that's bad for us linuxers l;/ |
| 23:52.11 | _mechanix | pc ide ata/133 card?! linux recognizes it ok? |
| 23:52.58 | sloopy | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 23:52.58 | sloopy | /dev/hda4 9.8G 1011M 8.3G 11% / |
| 23:52.58 | sloopy | none 188M 0 187M 0% /dev/shm |
| 23:52.58 | sloopy | /dev/hda3 20G 2.3G 16G 12% /usr |
| 23:52.58 | sloopy | /dev/hda5 79G 9.9G 65G 14% /home |
| 23:53.43 | _mechanix | and about scsi !? |
| 23:54.50 | sloopy | the mesh scsi on this machine is flakey... the 53c9x works fine... my boot drive is actually on a scsi card.... |
| 23:55.03 | sloopy | sh: line 1: lspci: command not found |
| 23:55.16 | _mechanix | here mesh is working finee at 10mb/s |
| 23:57.31 | _mechanix | already used PlanB!? |
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| 23:58.38 | sloopy | 00:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Computer Inc. Bandit PowerPC host bridge (rev 03) |
| 23:58.38 | sloopy | 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: 3Dfx Interactive, Inc. Voodoo 3 (rev 01) |
| 23:58.38 | sloopy | 00:0e.0 Unknown mass storage controller: CMD Technology Inc PCI0680 (rev 02) |
| 23:58.38 | sloopy | 00:0f.0 SCSI storage controller: QLogic Corp. ISP1020 Fast-wide SCSI (rev 05) |
| 23:58.38 | sloopy | 00:10.0 Class ff00: Apple Computer Inc. Grand Central I/O (rev 02) |
| 23:58.40 | sloopy | 01:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Computer Inc. Bandit PowerPC host bridge (rev 03) |
| 23:58.42 | sloopy | 01:0f.0 USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB (rev 43) |
| 23:58.44 | sloopy | 01:0f.1 USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB (rev 43) |
| 23:58.46 | sloopy | 01:0f.2 USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB 2.0 (rev 04) |
| 23:58.55 | sloopy | those are my pci cards... |
| 23:59.11 | _mechanix | take a look in my setup |
| 23:59.15 | _mechanix | 00:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Computer Inc. Bandit PowerPC host bridge (rev 03) |
| 23:59.15 | _mechanix | 00:0f.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 50) |
| 23:59.15 | _mechanix | 00:0f.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 50) |
| 23:59.16 | _mechanix | 00:0f.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 51) |
| 23:59.16 | _mechanix | 00:10.0 Class ff00: Apple Computer Inc. Grand Central I/O (rev 02) |
| 23:59.16 | _mechanix | 01:0b.0 Non-VGA unclassified device: Apple Computer Inc. Control Video |
| 23:59.18 | _mechanix | 01:0d.0 Class ff00: Apple Computer Inc. PlanB Video-In (rev 01) |