| 00:00.29 | sloopy | looks just like my 8500... |
| 00:00.53 | _mechanix | u have a VIA USB Board too !? |
| 00:01.36 | sloopy | dunno if it is a VIA but it does have a USB card... |
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| 01:38.58 | zorton | arch/ppc/xmon/x.o(.sdata+0x8): multiple definition of `isa_io_base' |
| 01:39.22 | zorton | arch/ppc/kernel/kernel.o(.sdata+0x3c): first defined here |
| 01:39.41 | zorton | and then a couple of undefined references to `pcibios_make_OF_bus_map' |
| 01:40.04 | zorton | that's from trying to link vmlinux using the linux-2.4-nubus sources, any ideas? |
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| 05:15.13 | jjbenham | I am trying to get networking to work with MOL |
| 05:15.43 | jjbenham | do I need any special kernel modules except for the sungem eth0 support? |
| 05:16.13 | jjbenham | I configured en1 on os X to point to 192.168.0.3 while linux is 192.168.0.2 |
| 05:16.23 | jjbenham | netmask of 255.255.255.0 |
| 05:16.38 | jjbenham | but I can't even ping the router or linux at 192.168.0.2 |
| 05:16.54 | jjbenham | en1? Is this the correct device? |
| 05:25.00 | sloopy | jjbenham: what errors is it giving when you start mol? |
| 05:27.48 | jjbenham | I was setting it up in os X in mol. Is that what I am doing wrong? |
| 05:32.14 | jjbenham | I had netdev: eth0 -sheep commented out |
| 05:32.26 | jjbenham | I uncommented it and am now restarting it. |
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| 05:34.32 | jjbenham | This was commentd out in /etc/mol/molrc.net |
| 05:38.17 | simonrvn | jjbenham: yes you need some specil kernel mod, but the mol-modules build would have taken care of that |
| 05:41.02 | jjbenham | I ran the installer. Do I need to anything else besides run the mol installer in osX side? |
| 05:41.55 | sloopy | did you config video and read the manual? |
| 05:42.08 | simonrvn | what? |
| 05:42.22 | sloopy | simonrvn: ? |
| 05:42.42 | simonrvn | "run the installer in osX" |
| 05:42.51 | simonrvn | ? |
| 05:43.04 | sloopy | probly mean audio installer... |
| 05:43.16 | jjbenham | yeah I configured the video. |
| 05:43.42 | simonrvn | didn't know you had to run an installer to get the audio to work in macos x. macos 9 you just plop a mol audio extension on the system foler |
| 05:43.43 | jjbenham | yeah their is an installer that is suppolsed to install the mol audio and network drivers for os X |
| 05:43.45 | simonrvn | +d |
| 05:44.25 | jjbenham | simonrvn that is the same that you do for os X 10.1 also |
| 05:44.32 | jjbenham | but 10.2 and above uses the installer |
| 05:45.30 | simonrvn | i see |
| 05:46.32 | sloopy | simonrvn: get with the program ;') |
| 05:46.41 | jjbenham | Is en1 the correct device I should be configuring |
| 05:46.55 | jjbenham | this really was not mentioned in the manual |
| 05:47.16 | jjbenham | the manual was not very complete anyway |
| 05:47.19 | jjbenham | oh well |
| 05:47.24 | simonrvn | sloopy: i don't own any h/w capable of running osx efficiently |
| 05:47.50 | sloopy | simonrvn: i am the mailing list moderator for MOL... what the hell do i know??? ;'P |
| 05:48.14 | simonrvn | i haven't been on the list in too long |
| 05:48.24 | sloopy | jjbenham: in linux? no, in OSX? it should just show up in the network section... |
| 05:48.34 | sloopy | simonrvn: which list? MOL? |
| 05:48.45 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 05:49.02 | sloopy | it will be two years next month i will have moderated it.... |
| 05:49.11 | simonrvn | wow |
| 05:50.05 | sloopy | in linux it uses the tun driver... |
| 05:50.24 | jjbenham | sloopy: yeah in os X I have a en1 device. I tried configuring it. but I could not access the router 192.168.0.1 or linux 192.168.0.2 |
| 05:51.10 | sloopy | it is probly en0 |
| 05:51.18 | jjbenham | sloppey: The only device that was available was ethernet decvice en1 |
| 05:51.24 | jjbenham | no it said en1 |
| 05:51.32 | sloopy | then it is en1 |
| 05:51.36 | jjbenham | I could probably manuall add en0 |
| 05:51.48 | sloopy | no... dont need to... |
| 05:51.50 | sloopy | brb |
| 05:51.52 | jjbenham | I configured it manually to 192.168.0.3 |
| 05:52.12 | jjbenham | netmask of 255.255.255.0 |
| 05:52.18 | jjbenham | and 192.168.0.1 router |
| 05:52.21 | sloopy | you sure linux isnt using 192.168.1.x subnet? |
| 05:52.27 | sloopy | mine does... |
| 05:52.30 | jjbenham | yes |
| 05:52.41 | jjbenham | my ip on my linux box is 192.168.0.1 |
| 05:52.44 | jjbenham | my ip on my linux box is 192.168.0.2 |
| 05:52.45 | jjbenham | sorry |
| 05:53.00 | jjbenham | my router is 192.168.0.1 |
| 05:53.27 | jjbenham | I tried it at the command line |
| 05:53.39 | jjbenham | with ifconfig en1 192.168.0.3 up |
| 05:53.51 | jjbenham | route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 05:54.13 | jjbenham | but it told me that was unreachable or that was an incorrect address |
| 05:54.17 | jjbenham | can't remember |
| 05:57.16 | sloopy | ifconfig on the linux side? |
| 05:58.04 | jjbenham | no I tried in os X |
| 06:02.29 | jjbenham | There is perhaps something i need on the linux side. Do I need to masqurade it. Oh whats the word for that now in iptables. you know what i mean |
| 06:02.45 | sloopy | is mol running? |
| 06:03.02 | jjbenham | not anymore I shout it down. I am about to go to bed |
| 06:03.07 | sloopy | ahhh |
| 06:03.14 | jjbenham | I shut it down.. |
| 06:03.26 | jjbenham | Not that big of a deal anyway. |
| 06:03.48 | jjbenham | all that software is non-free and encourages me to use more non-free stuff. |
| 06:04.05 | sloopy | which? OS X? |
| 06:05.11 | jjbenham | yes. only the kernel and basic core is FSF approved |
| 06:05.55 | sloopy | yes i know... |
| 06:08.15 | jjbenham | I considered replacing it with open darwin or GNU darwin but from what I heard is that the hardware support is actually better in linux |
| 06:09.15 | jjbenham | ok I have to go know |
| 06:09.21 | jjbenham | good night |
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| 06:53.14 | powerbook | hi @ all, I'm looking for a precompiled Real Player plugin for xmms (libreal.so) |
| 07:16.15 | simonrvn | good luck finding one |
| 07:20.53 | sloopy | simonrvn: i am playin xpilot and gettin my ass kicked :'/ i even shot myself once... |
| 07:21.12 | simonrvn | ouch :/ |
| 07:22.04 | sloopy | yeah... |
| 07:22.16 | sloopy | and i am playing by myself :'/ |
| 07:26.21 | simonrvn | @comfort sloopy |
| 07:26.23 | ravenbird | There, there, sloopy. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:49.25 | sloopy | hey i am doing a little better now... |
| 07:54.07 | sloopy | now some guy is blastin the hell outta me... i cant even move :'/ |
| 07:54.40 | simonrvn | i've never played xpilot.. probably too intesive for my video h/w anyway |
| 07:54.47 | simonrvn | intensive* |
| 07:55.28 | sloopy | simonrvn: i played it on my 8500... had no problems.... |
| 07:55.55 | simonrvn | with controlfb ? |
| 07:56.49 | sloopy | yes |
| 07:57.08 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:57.08 | sloopy | its not a graphics intensive game... |
| 07:57.50 | sloopy | you remember 'bolo' on mac? that is alot more graphically intense ;') |
| 07:58.10 | simonrvn | vaguely.. |
| 07:58.14 | simonrvn | cool |
| 08:01.25 | sloopy | it is all wireframe (or vector grpahic) |
| 08:01.40 | sloopy | its only 1.3m for the whole package... |
| 08:01.45 | sloopy | get it and try it... |
| 08:02.20 | simonrvn | doing so ;) |
| 08:02.40 | sloopy | :') |
| 08:04.26 | sloopy | simonrvn: there is a server call 'terra' or something... i am on that one... |
| 08:04.56 | sloopy | basic controls are 'a' turn left 's' turn right 'shift' accel and 'return' shoot |
| 08:07.19 | simonrvn | ok |
| 08:11.00 | sloopy | and there are triangles that are power ups... i dont really know what they mean... i just started playing an hours ago... |
| 08:11.58 | simonrvn | ok :) |
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| 08:18.24 | simonrvn | doing my sid upgrade right now, installing it at the same time |
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| 08:56.13 | kletter-matze | morning |
| 08:56.20 | kletter-matze | anyone here? |
| 08:56.47 | kletter-matze | i have a questian to an powermac g4 with debian... |
| 08:56.58 | kletter-matze | exactly the X config |
| 08:57.04 | kletter-matze | i installed the needed packages |
| 08:57.46 | kletter-matze | but it get an error like vga: no matching device section for instance (BUSID: PCI:0:16:0 |
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| 09:14.36 | simonrvn | remove the PCIID in the xfree config, you don't need it most of the time |
| 09:17.14 | sloopy | simonrvn: still upgrading to sid? :'( |
| 09:17.51 | kletter-matze | ok i will try it thx |
| 09:17.53 | kletter-matze | bye |
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| 11:25.35 | |fire| | hya |
| 11:28.56 | simonrvn | sloopy: playing xpilot now, got killed too often. people are never nice to newbies :( |
| 11:29.11 | jaska | xpilot! |
| 11:29.17 | jaska | aah. i wish more people played it |
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| 13:25.14 | kletter-matze | hi, does anyone know where i can get a linux java version for an powermac? |
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| 13:31.25 | kletter-matze | hi, does anyone know where i can get a linux java version for an powermac? |
| 13:38.16 | kletter-matze | ok if found some |
| 13:55.39 | Bor_Ed | ftp.funet.fi has blackdown mirror (apt doable) |
| 14:02.02 | jaska | hmm |
| 14:02.08 | jaska | my ibm guy didnt know where to get 5.1xl :( |
| 14:02.20 | jaska | he doesnt do as much aix these days it seems |
| 14:03.02 | jaska | and linux still runs rather poorly on it iirc. |
| 14:03.23 | Bor_Ed | haven't seen the friend on irc yet... I'll ask for him for the url to make the query |
| 14:03.37 | jaska | thanks :D |
| 14:04.23 | Bor_Ed | he should come online this evening or maybe tomorrow... dang geeks at jypoly :P |
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| 15:46.01 | RQ | hmz |
| 15:47.37 | RQ | cuold anybody tell me if benH hangs here? |
| 15:48.34 | Bor_Ed | every now and then |
| 15:52.26 | RQ | what's his nickname? |
| 15:52.45 | Bor_Ed | if I don't recall wrong, ben or so |
| 15:52.52 | RQ | hmz |
| 15:52.56 | RQ | so he's off atm./ |
| 15:52.57 | RQ | ok |
| 15:53.09 | Bor_Ed | don't recall when he was here last time |
| 15:53.18 | RQ | i see |
| 15:53.20 | RQ | nevermind |
| 15:53.40 | RQ | Bor_Ed: what NIC are you using? |
| 15:53.59 | RQ | i think there is a bug in bmac driver |
| 15:54.05 | Bor_Ed | pcnet32 with pppoe and oldworld built in mace |
| 15:54.12 | RQ | and i'd like to make sure there is |
| 15:54.26 | RQ | oh i see ;/ |
| 15:54.32 | Bor_Ed | check lkml or so |
| 15:54.39 | RQ | lkml? |
| 15:54.42 | RQ | ah |
| 15:54.44 | RQ | mailing list |
| 15:54.47 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 15:54.51 | RQ | nah, i don't think it is there :) |
| 15:54.56 | RQ | cuz the card works |
| 15:55.06 | RQ | the bug isn't very obvious |
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| 16:17.33 | simonrvn | benh |
| 16:17.53 | Bor_Ed | right |
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| 17:31.38 | chris`work | yo |
| 17:31.44 | simonrvn | 'lo |
| 17:31.54 | chris`work | Well, finally got everything (including 3d accel) working on the ibook last night |
| 17:32.20 | simonrvn | :) |
| 17:32.23 | chris`work | Thinking I might do a deb specific writeup, only one I've seen so far for the new ibooks (g4 specifically) was for gentoo |
| 17:32.28 | sloopy | simonrvn: g' afternoon :') |
| 17:32.33 | simonrvn | hiya |
| 17:32.41 | simonrvn | chris`work: good idea |
| 17:32.51 | chris`work | Plus I'm at work |
| 17:32.56 | chris`work | We all know I never work at wor |
| 17:32.58 | chris`work | *work |
| 17:33.13 | simonrvn | heh |
| 17:33.23 | sloopy | chris`: wots work? |
| 17:33.53 | chris`work | sloopy: That thing that gives me money for writing code that has nothing to do with work |
| 17:34.16 | chris`work | crack-attack is the bane of my GPA |
| 17:34.29 | sloopy | money? hmm people keep telling me about it... but i am not sure it really exists... |
| 17:34.32 | chris`work | I played it through my logic lecture today -_- |
| 17:35.09 | simonrvn | silly :P |
| 17:35.30 | chris`work | It's too addictive |
| 17:35.31 | sloopy | when i was in college, irc was the bane of GPA's |
| 17:35.43 | chris`work | yeah, irc doesn't help either |
| 17:35.52 | chris`work | Thank god I haven't bought an airport extreme yet |
| 17:36.14 | simonrvn | wouldn't run in linux.. |
| 17:36.22 | sloopy | i know about 15 people who dropped out or were expelled because they were on irc and didnt get their work done... |
| 17:37.56 | chris`work | simonrvn: if desperate enough I can boot to osx, I left it a 10 gb partition |
| 17:38.22 | simonrvn | nods |
| 17:38.48 | treke | if airport extreme worked, I'd be a very happy camper :) |
| 17:38.54 | sloopy | simonrvn: xpilot? |
| 17:39.31 | chris`work | My radeon 9200 only gets around 850 fps in glxgears :( |
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| 17:40.18 | sloopy | control video gets higher then the voodoo3 in this machine in glxgears.... |
| 17:40.21 | simonrvn | sloopy: yes i played. playing on a local server for now until i get the hang of it |
| 17:40.43 | chris`work | Never played xpilot |
| 17:41.07 | sloopy | come play with me... i am on the terra box server and the only human... |
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| 17:42.42 | simonrvn | can't right now :/ |
| 17:43.07 | sloopy | :'/ work? |
| 17:43.51 | chris`work | whoa |
| 17:44.08 | simonrvn | busy with other stuff |
| 17:44.08 | chris`work | Someone is running an xpilot server on the network |
| 17:44.25 | simonrvn | maybe one game |
| 17:44.34 | sloopy | :') |
| 17:46.08 | chris`work | This game is very strange |
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| 17:48.22 | sloopy | chris`: what game? |
| 17:48.48 | chris`work | xpilot |
| 17:49.25 | sloopy | heh... you playing? |
| 17:49.29 | chris`work | Tried |
| 17:49.34 | chris`work | Couldn't figure out what was going on |
| 17:49.37 | chris`work | I moved a bit |
| 17:50.12 | sloopy | when i first looked at it i could even figure out what i was looking at... |
| 17:50.58 | sloopy | 'a' is turn countr-clockwise 's' clockwise 'shift' accel and return is fire... |
| 17:54.57 | jaska | the default keys suck |
| 18:00.49 | sloopy | jaska: definitly... |
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| 19:06.20 | simonrvn | haha, killed a few robots, i actually got a positive score :) |
| 19:08.45 | sloopy | simonrvn: youplaying local? |
| 19:11.36 | simonrvn | no, terrabox |
| 19:12.23 | sloopy | i dont see you on terra box... |
| 19:12.30 | simonrvn | just left |
| 19:12.36 | simonrvn | i was on as chaos |
| 19:12.54 | sloopy | you left right before i joined :'/ |
| 19:13.25 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 19:14.56 | sloopy | joo ph33r my l337ne55 ;') |
| 19:15.36 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:17.02 | simonrvn | hehe, i'm on the mozdev. site, and there's a 'what's new' bar, but there's this: |
| 19:17.05 | simonrvn | # Nov 21, 2003 |
| 19:17.07 | simonrvn | I don't update this often enough, do I? |
| 19:19.45 | sloopy | mozdev? mozilla dev? |
| 19:20.04 | sloopy | depends on how often news comes along... |
| 19:20.15 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 19:39.05 | zorton | is there a way to get the partition list in open firmware? |
| 19:42.10 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:42.25 | chris`work | man openfirmware |
| 19:42.29 | chris`work | Oh wait, that doesn't exist :) |
| 19:43.05 | simonrvn | should though, at least some of the more common stuff |
| 19:43.05 | zorton | :( |
| 19:43.11 | simonrvn | google for it |
| 19:43.20 | simonrvn | open firmware commands |
| 19:43.23 | zorton | there we go |
| 19:43.28 | zorton | yaboot was on hd10 :) |
| 19:43.52 | zorton | will there be any problem compiling a kernel for a nubus machine using a g4? |
| 19:44.03 | zorton | I could see gcc being a problme... |
| 19:44.39 | simonrvn | 2.4 kernel use gcc 2.95. config as per the machines needs of course :) |
| 19:44.56 | simonrvn | specify in the Makefile if need be |
| 19:45.11 | chris`work | It'd be nice to be able to build my ibook kernels on my x86 desktop |
| 19:45.19 | chris`work | Not that I care now, my 20+ kernel compiles are done with |
| 19:45.52 | sk1p | chris`work: you can, using a cross-compiler.. but people told me that could cause problems |
| 19:45.59 | chris`work | sk1p: That's what I mean |
| 19:46.04 | chris`work | In theory you can, but you don't want to |
| 19:46.24 | sk1p | right |
| 19:49.58 | zorton | modprobe: Can't locate module keybdev wh ich is needed for hid |
| 19:50.17 | zorton | i'm searched for keybdev in /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 19:51.37 | simonrvn | look in /proc/kconfig.gz to see if it's built-in or not |
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| 19:52.01 | simonrvn | kconfig, or just config? |
| 19:52.07 | zorton | dont' have either |
| 19:52.26 | zorton | keybdev.c is part of the i2c core |
| 19:52.26 | sk1p | simonrvn: config.gz |
| 19:52.27 | simonrvn | config :) |
| 19:52.33 | sk1p | ;) |
| 19:53.00 | zorton | CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBDEV=y |
| 19:53.09 | zorton | I should bump the kernel up to 2.6 |
| 19:54.08 | zorton | faq linux-2.6 ppc? |
| 19:54.11 | simonrvn | CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBOARD=y |
| 19:54.19 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 19:55.11 | sk1p | first, install module-init-tools.. i guess that's the most frequent question ;) |
| 19:55.26 | zorton | got it |
| 19:55.35 | simonrvn | don't load the in-kernel hfsplus from rsync soucres, it freezes the machine. forget about preempt, GEN_RTC you need |
| 19:55.42 | simonrvn | yes :) |
| 19:55.55 | simonrvn | even before you d/l the kernel :) |
| 19:56.07 | zorton | well i've got a 2.6.0-test2 tree |
| 19:56.25 | zorton | is there a tree I could merge into it? or should I starty over from somewhere? |
| 19:56.27 | sk1p | hm. doesn't freeze here, "only" hangs for some seconds on mount and only mounts read-only :) |
| 19:56.28 | simonrvn | get 2.6.1 |
| 19:56.53 | simonrvn | me it freezes upon mod insertion |
| 19:57.28 | zorton | stock from kernel.org or does benh have a diffrent tree? |
| 19:57.41 | sk1p | see topic |
| 19:58.27 | zorton | k |
| 20:02.53 | zorton | gosh 217 megs of updates for sid |
| 20:02.59 | zorton | think it's time to downgrade to sarge |
| 20:03.03 | chris`work | There seem to be like 3 benh rsyncs and they each seem to be different versions |
| 20:03.10 | chris`work | zorton: downgrade? hahaha |
| 20:03.13 | chris`work | Good luck :) |
| 20:03.16 | sk1p | ugh. :) |
| 20:03.38 | dolphy | hmm i have the libbonobo-activation4 issue on an old box i forgot to upgrade for a while |
| 20:03.46 | dolphy | anybody remembers how to get that solved ? |
| 20:03.55 | sk1p | i'm using the uni-muenchen.de mirror. works fine ;) |
| 20:04.01 | zorton | well can't I just witch my sources list from unstable to testing? and just wait a bit? |
| 20:04.32 | chris`work | no |
| 20:04.48 | simonrvn | maybe... don't expect miracles though.. |
| 20:04.54 | chris`work | There's technically no way to downgrade cleany |
| 20:04.56 | chris`work | *cleanly |
| 20:05.05 | chris`work | sk1p: That's at 2.6.1-benh now isn't it? |
| 20:05.30 | simonrvn | 2.6.1-ben1 |
| 20:05.42 | sk1p | jup |
| 20:05.48 | sk1p | 2.6.1-ben1 |
| 20:05.55 | chris`work | ah, that's what I meant |
| 20:06.23 | zorton | well I just have to let aptitude do it's thing for so meme time then :) |
| 20:06.35 | zorton | this is what I get for using unstable :) |
| 20:06.52 | chris`work | Unstable is always remarkably stable for me |
| 20:06.56 | chris`work | Rarely any issues |
| 20:08.03 | simonrvn | me too |
| 20:08.42 | dolphy | agreed |
| 20:08.53 | dolphy | only sometimes dist-upgrade requires some hacks :) |
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| 20:09.54 | sk1p | i only do -u upgrade, and if something gets held back, i try to install those packages manually |
| 20:10.05 | zorton | are you sing apt or aptitude to do it? |
| 20:10.10 | sk1p | apt |
| 20:11.42 | alles32 | hi all. i found tool fbset. how can i set up resolution to 800x600 75hz and vhat is the best colordepth for console? |
| 20:28.27 | simonrvn | fbset 800x600-60 or -70 |
| 20:28.28 | simonrvn | fbset -a only when you know it works, and you'll be able to see :) |
| 20:29.21 | sk1p | and, uhm... i guess it won't work with offb... see /proc/fb if it contains OFfb |
| 20:30.45 | alles32 | yes it has |
| 20:32.12 | alles32 | abe:/home/alles# fbset 800x600-60 |
| 20:32.13 | alles32 | ioctl FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO: Invalid argument |
| 20:33.07 | sk1p | yea, won't work with offb.. you're stuck with whatever resolution the firmware set at bootup |
| 20:34.05 | alles32 | how can i do it? |
| 20:34.22 | zorton | someone once had a really slick way of appending ssh keys to the authorized_keys file |
| 20:34.36 | zorton | and I can't rmeber how do it, it used cat and a ssh command or two... |
| 20:34.37 | sk1p | i have no idea if you can change the resolution in openfirmware |
| 20:34.57 | alles32 | ok |
| 20:42.00 | zorton | there we go: cat ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub | ssh remoteuser@remotehost 'cat - >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keyus' |
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| 20:48.43 | Hans-Martin | hi folks |
| 20:50.47 | Hans-Martin | after some usage, netscape seems to become insensitive to mouse clicks (mouse-over and keypresses are fine) |
| 20:51.24 | Curalton | sounds like a windowmanager problem |
| 20:51.25 | Hans-Martin | when I quit netscape via apple-Q, mouse works as before... |
| 20:52.00 | Curalton | netscape - why in the world netscape? |
| 20:52.05 | Curalton | 4.x is ancient |
| 20:52.09 | Curalton | and netscape is dead |
| 20:52.11 | Hans-Martin | this happens within the mol X window, but also within a virtual console, so I don't know whether it's the window manager |
| 20:52.12 | Curalton | move along |
| 20:52.40 | Hans-Martin | well I use it under MacOS because I'm used to it - I'm too old to learn new tricks :-) |
| 20:53.05 | Hans-Martin | I have not yet made the full switch to linuxppc |
| 20:53.18 | Curalton | mozilla with the classic theme looks just like it |
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| 20:53.53 | chris`laptop | Time to go do that writeup |
| 20:54.07 | Hans-Martin | well I don't care about the theme... the linux mozilla does not have a mail component, which is what I need |
| 20:54.18 | chris`laptop | Thunderbird |
| 20:54.38 | Hans-Martin | but maybe I should look for the mozilla mail support instead, that's a good suggestion |
| 20:54.41 | chris`laptop | mozilla-thunderbird to be exact |
| 20:55.04 | Hans-Martin | hmmm... I just took the mozilla which is on the debian CD... |
| 20:55.05 | Curalton | mozilla has mail |
| 20:55.16 | Curalton | and for me thunderbird is too crippled |
| 20:55.22 | Curalton | mozilla -mail |
| 20:55.45 | Curalton | mozilla-browser and mozilla-mailnews |
| 20:55.54 | Curalton | the latter provides the mail part |
| 20:56.02 | Curalton | you can even convert all your netscape mail |
| 20:56.19 | Hans-Martin | okeydokey, looks like I know what to do now :-) |
| 20:56.34 | Hans-Martin | I possibly did not install mozilla-mailnews |
| 20:57.44 | Hans-Martin | ok, CD inserted... |
| 21:00.21 | Hans-Martin | ... installed, setting up account ... that was easy... |
| 21:01.49 | Curalton | yeah, not all is commandline on linux :) |
| 21:01.53 | Hans-Martin | Curalton: thanks for getting me off the nutscape track :-) |
| 21:01.58 | Curalton | :) |
| 21:02.19 | Curalton | Hans-Martin: did you come fro MacOS to linux or done some *nix before? |
| 21:02.24 | Hans-Martin | I know - I've used linux at work for quite some time - I just did not realize that I had mozilla half-installed |
| 21:02.35 | Curalton | ah |
| 21:03.06 | Hans-Martin | I started out with UNIX version 7 at university :-) and did a lot of 4.2bsd on Vaxen - so you see how old I am... |
| 21:03.38 | Curalton | oh, ok :) - though we had a person coming from a purely mouse oriented world :) |
| 21:03.42 | Hans-Martin | even wrote some device drivers then to support UUCP-over-X.25 :-) |
| 21:04.49 | Curalton | O.o |
| 21:04.59 | Hans-Martin | but I have not used debianppc much before some weeks ago |
| 21:06.10 | jaska | v7... ick. well, atleast its somewhat compact :D |
| 21:08.25 | Hans-Martin | jaska: I liked it better than SysV. of course, bsd was kind! |
| 21:08.37 | Hans-Martin | err, king! |
| 21:09.49 | jaska | im rather fresh (born 1980) but ive seen some old weird v7 stuff |
| 21:10.21 | jaska | makes me wonder how did it all bloat so much |
| 21:11.26 | zorton | is the netfilter stuff all messed up with the nubus kernel tree? |
| 21:11.37 | zorton | i'm getting ld: cannot open ipt_TCPMSS.o: No such file or directory] |
| 21:12.51 | Hans-Martin | jaska: when you've seen v7 stuff, it must have been smelly already. I considered it obsolete around 1986 or so... |
| 21:13.00 | jaska | yeah |
| 21:13.03 | jaska | it was some old weird box |
| 21:13.20 | jaska | 'fortune' |
| 21:13.51 | jaska | it smelt like pre-bsd/pre-sysanything era |
| 21:14.53 | demon_ | heh... d-i beta2 is really chaping up well |
| 21:14.59 | demon_ | er, shaping |
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| 21:21.03 | sebfrance | hello |
| 21:21.33 | sebfrance | I intend to get a laptop and thought about a mac, which would run debian, what can you tell me about choosing a mac instead of a pc? |
| 21:21.34 | Hans-Martin | hi sebfrance |
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| 21:22.14 | Hans-Martin | depends on what you really need. |
| 21:22.44 | Hans-Martin | if you need to just run linux, a PC might be more cost-effective |
| 21:23.15 | sebfrance | ok, in what situations would you recommend a mac then? |
| 21:23.24 | Hans-Martin | when you need MacOS :-) |
| 21:23.37 | jcm | if you like powerbook design :-) |
| 21:23.51 | Hans-Martin | or when you want it. or when you want to avoid anything coming from Redmond... |
| 21:24.07 | Hans-Martin | ok, te pbooks look cool - bot so do some Sony VAIOs :-) |
| 21:24.35 | jcm | when you want a powerful machine with real battery life |
| 21:24.51 | sebfrance | jcm: I'll probably like it, when I have the funds for it :] |
| 21:25.31 | jcm | i have a pismo 500, so it's not really the more recent one... |
| 21:25.34 | sebfrance | jcm: by powerful you mean it's more powerful than the 'equivalent' pc? |
| 21:25.54 | jcm | ibm/motorola chips, named g3 or g4 |
| 21:25.58 | Hans-Martin | jcm: I've got a PB5300cs with the classical 'brick' design :-) and battery life... it's dead :-( |
| 21:26.14 | jcm | use less energy than centrino and co, afaik |
| 21:26.34 | Curalton | sebfrance: i got an ibook2.2 G3 for the purpose of running linux on it |
| 21:26.43 | jcm | Hans-Martin: i just repaired one of mine; there's a compagny in us that does this well |
| 21:26.51 | chris`laptop | I purchased an ibook for the price basically. With my student discount I was able to get a good / sturdy laptop for quite a bit cheaper than I found for equivalently spec'd x86 laptops |
| 21:27.02 | chris`laptop | I also only run Debian on it :) |
| 21:27.24 | zorton | apple's laptops put up with more abuse have better battery life |
| 21:27.31 | zorton | are more repairable |
| 21:27.40 | zorton | better IO than most x86 laptops |
| 21:27.41 | chris`laptop | Don't get me started about repairable..... |
| 21:28.13 | chris`laptop | oh well, back to my debianppc-on-ibook-g4 howto writing |
| 21:28.28 | Bor_Ed | sebfrance, you see what I meant ?-) |
| 21:28.36 | zorton | wel if your doing it yourself things work pretty good |
| 21:28.48 | zorton | my wallstreet g3-233 lasted me something like 4 years |
| 21:28.57 | zorton | adding ram was a snap, everything just worked |
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| 21:35.50 | sebfrance_ | my isp seems unstable today, did I miss anything? |
| 21:37.26 | Hans-Martin | what were the last things you've seen? |
| 21:38.00 | sebfrance_ | my serie of three/four questions |
| 21:40.12 | Hans-Martin | ok, so you missed the answers... |
| 21:40.38 | sebfrance_ | yes :] |
| 21:40.50 | chris`laptop | ....... |
| 21:40.57 | sebfrance_ | can you query me them ? |
| 21:41.01 | chris`laptop | Someone paste the backlog to him, I don't want to say it again :) |
| 21:42.11 | Hans-Martin | I did it |
| 21:42.18 | Hans-Martin | sebfrance: did you get it? |
| 21:42.48 | sebfrance_ | yes thanks |
| 21:42.59 | sebfrance_ | now are ibook G4 well supported? |
| 21:43.26 | Hans-Martin | I must pass there - only have an old 233MHz G3... |
| 21:45.59 | sebfrance_ | did I dreamt it or mac screens are differently sized? |
| 21:46.29 | Hans-Martin | yes, all of them :-) |
| 21:46.35 | sebfrance_ | chris`laptop: do you have a G4 ? |
| 21:46.59 | chris`laptop | yes |
| 21:47.21 | chris`laptop | The only things not supported currently are sleep and the airport extreme cards |
| 21:47.40 | chris`laptop | Sleep will probably be implemented in the kernel soon if ATI gets the specs to benh in a timely fashion |
| 21:47.48 | sebfrance_ | ok good, what size is your screen? |
| 21:47.52 | chris`laptop | 14" |
| 21:48.29 | sebfrance_ | for money reasons I wanted to take a 12" does it sound usable or "gameboy"like ? |
| 21:48.51 | sebfrance_ | (I have no idea, the shop I went at, had none of them and since they're differently sized ...) |
| 21:49.00 | chris`laptop | I know people who have the 12" and like it, but I just prefer having the larger screen (even though they're the same resolution) |
| 21:49.28 | sebfrance_ | ok |
| 21:49.49 | sebfrance_ | thank you very much @ all |
| 21:49.57 | Hans-Martin | apart from money, there's also the size and weight aspect for 12" |
| 21:50.33 | chris`laptop | True, it weights a couple lbs less |
| 21:50.51 | chris`laptop | Doesn't sound like much, but I notice the weight of the 14" in my bag when I drag it all over campus |
| 21:50.53 | chris`laptop | *weighs |
| 21:53.56 | chris`laptop | Could someone update the topic and add a space between XFS: and http:// ? |
| 21:56.45 | *** topic/#debianppc by sk1p -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test || Install Debian on new (2003) PowerMacs with XFS: http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/XFS-debian-README.txt || yaboot 1.3.11 released || Cisco VPN and Linux/PPC works! - http://www.goelug.de/texte/vpnc.en.html || http://dri.freedesktop.org/~daenzer/debian/dri-trunk-sid/ || rsync -avz source.mvista.com::linuxppc-2.5-benh - currently 2.6.1-rc1-ben1. || p.d.o is back up (simonrvn) |
| 22:03.43 | Hans-Martin | bye folks |
| 22:04.31 | chris`laptop | sk1p: :) |
| 22:04.53 | sk1p | :] |
| 22:05.39 | sk1p | nice |
| 22:06.12 | chris`laptop | I should mention how the install kernel may see the hard drive as /dev/hdc and the new 2.6 built kernel sees it as /dev/hda |
| 22:06.21 | chris`laptop | That caused a nice headache for me |
| 22:07.11 | sk1p | the installed didn't look at /dev/hdc, right? |
| 22:08.09 | chris`laptop | When I installed the system the 2.4 kernel from the cd initialized the hard disk as /dev/hdc and the cdrom as /dev/hda (since it scanned the ata-100 bus second) |
| 22:08.20 | sk1p | yup. was the same here |
| 22:08.26 | sk1p | on pb |
| 22:11.07 | chris`laptop | Time for class |
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| 22:34.20 | zorton | well I think i'm missing something about booting nubus kernels |
| 22:34.36 | zorton | so I need a seperate mach kernel along with my vmlinux kernel? |
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| 23:19.24 | zorton | which hfsplus driver is recommended for the 2.6 series of kernels? |
| 23:19.37 | Jeedo | the one in the kernel? |
| 23:22.15 | zorton | well simonrvn warned me against using it |
| 23:22.48 | simonrvn | try the one from the devel web site, can't recall now.. |
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