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| 00:27.52 | medwards | Anyone on kernel 2.6.1? |
| 00:28.25 | medwards | lsmod for me? |
| 00:28.30 | Curalton | at least on x86 you don't need ide-scsi to burn CDs anymore |
| 00:28.59 | Curalton | acutally torvalds admits that it is severely broken in 2.6, but since it was a hack in the first place he doesn't bother |
| 00:29.02 | sk1p | same for ppc |
| 00:29.16 | Curalton | all you need are up to date cdrecord utils |
| 00:29.24 | sk1p | medwards: i don't use any modules.. |
| 00:29.55 | medwards | sk1p, thanks; just trying to translate old module names to new (switching to 2.6.1 on my iMac) |
| 00:30.07 | sk1p | k.. |
| 00:31.16 | medwards | Damn. Failed compiling drivers/ide/ppc/pmac.c |
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| 00:33.08 | medwards | Probably because I disabled generic PCI IDE. |
| 00:33.34 | sk1p | yea.. you need some of the IDE stuff |
| 00:34.15 | vivlachaga | why i can't play audio cds whit my powerbook |
| 00:34.20 | medwards | It probaby shouldn't have let me disable that and keep powermac IDE. |
| 00:35.08 | sk1p | vivlachaga: you need xmms-cdread |
| 00:35.25 | sk1p | vivlachaga: because the cdrom drive is not directly connected to the soundcard |
| 00:35.51 | Curalton | and be in the group "disk" to read from /dev/hdc |
| 00:37.41 | vivlachaga | mm |
| 00:37.56 | vivlachaga | ok useradd to disk group? |
| 00:38.00 | vivlachaga | oki |
| 00:39.33 | vivlachaga | mmm only xmms? |
| 00:39.44 | vivlachaga | any form to use another one? |
| 00:40.01 | Curalton | oh, i just notice also hda and hdb are brw-rw---- and group disk O.o |
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| 00:40.42 | Curalton | and actually you don't need xmms-cdread, its broken since 1.2.7 iirc |
| 00:41.30 | Curalton | just set up libcdaudio.so correctly |
| 00:41.30 | vivlachaga | & how do that? |
| 00:41.37 | Curalton | go into prefs and click "configure" |
| 00:41.53 | Curalton | then set e.g. /dev/cdrom to /mnt/cdrom |
| 00:42.08 | Curalton | to play you have to do xmms -e /mnt/cdrom, not -e /dev/cdrom |
| 00:43.05 | Curalton | and set it do "digital audio extraction" |
| 00:43.44 | sk1p | oh.. didn't know that existed.. thanks a lot ;) |
| 00:44.00 | Curalton | also i'd recommend chown root\:root hdb hda after adding you to the group disk |
| 00:44.19 | Curalton | haveing rw access to harddriver as a user is a bad idea |
| 00:44.46 | Curalton | sk1p: have it from the debian bug database after xmms-cdread started segfaulting :) |
| 00:45.26 | sk1p | :-) |
| 00:56.36 | liiwi | drivers/built-in.o(.text+0x37754): In function `start_request': |
| 00:56.37 | liiwi | : undefined reference to `__udivdi3' |
| 00:56.44 | liiwi | hrmpf. no 2.6.1 for me |
| 00:56.54 | medwards | equivalent to dmasound_pmac in 2.6.1? |
| 00:57.58 | sk1p | i use alsa.. with CONFIG_SND_POWERMAC=y |
| 00:58.45 | medwards | right, did that. Except I built alsa modular. |
| 00:59.12 | sk1p | yea, should work, too. |
| 01:00.30 | medwards | Oddly, dmasound_pmac uses i2c-core. |
| 01:00.38 | sourdough | vivlachaga NEVER add yourself to group disk |
| 01:00.47 | sourdough | thats as evil as running as uid=0 all the time |
| 01:01.10 | medwards | no i2c-keywest, though. |
| 01:01.52 | Curalton | sourdough: so how do i play music then, chmod o+r hd[cd]? |
| 01:01.57 | medwards | better to chgrp audio /dev/hdb |
| 01:02.04 | sourdough | Curalton chgrp cdrom /dev/hdb |
| 01:02.09 | sourdough | add yourself to gorup cdrom |
| 01:02.11 | sourdough | never group disk |
| 01:02.21 | medwards | what sourdough said. |
| 01:02.23 | Curalton | oh, ic |
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| 01:02.35 | sourdough | Curalton group disk == uid root |
| 01:02.48 | sourdough | chgrping a couple disk owned devices will NOT fix that |
| 01:03.01 | sourdough | group disk is for /sbin/dump |
| 01:03.05 | Curalton | ok, never though binaries with that were arroudn was well |
| 01:03.20 | medwards | usb printer module is now usblp instead of printer? |
| 01:03.37 | sourdough | vivlachaga deluser youruser disk |
| 01:03.45 | sourdough | vivlachaga chgrp cdrom /dev/hdb |
| 01:03.52 | sourdough | vivlachaga adduser yourself cdrom |
| 01:03.59 | sourdough | vivlachaga do NOT be in group disk |
| 01:04.13 | jaska | heh |
| 01:18.06 | medwards | Curalton, cdrecord without ide-scsi -- how? |
| 01:18.39 | Curalton | just have up to date cdrecord utils, thats all |
| 01:18.58 | Curalton | further i just use k3b :P |
| 01:19.11 | sk1p | use --dev=/dev/hdX |
| 01:22.18 | medwards | k3b will work fine. Thanks! |
| 01:23.20 | Curalton | my fancy for the CLI stops for tasks like burning a CD :P |
| 01:23.45 | medwards | Curalton, quite. |
| 01:26.21 | medwards | Word to the wise: don't nuke a mug with foil decoration unless you want to watch the pretty fireworks. |
| 01:26.37 | jaska | heh |
| 01:27.13 | medwards | sourdough, didn't realize which mug I was holding. :) |
| 01:27.52 | jaska | hahaha |
| 01:28.13 | Curalton | rofl |
| 01:28.23 | medwards | WTTW #2: Don't attempt to burn a CD-ROM while compiling the kernel on the same machine. |
| 01:28.37 | jaska | huh |
| 01:28.39 | jaska | sure i will. |
| 01:28.42 | sk1p | why not? :P |
| 01:28.43 | Curalton | (attendum: if not running kernel 2.6?) |
| 01:28.53 | jaska | ive done that since 2.2 or so |
| 01:28.58 | jaska | no problems |
| 01:29.38 | medwards | ... on a machine with way too little memory for all the crap it's running. |
| 01:31.38 | jaska | i dont understand the 'word to the wise' |
| 01:31.48 | jaska | thing, shouldnt it be word to the unwise |
| 01:32.04 | jaska | as if someone is wise, (s)he is supposed to know that already. |
| 01:32.06 | sourdough | jaska you probably have scsi disks |
| 01:32.13 | sourdough | jaska with ide shit you can't do that |
| 01:32.26 | Curalton | i think he's just picking on the semantics.. |
| 01:32.43 | jaska | sour, i give cdrecord a 32 meg buffer |
| 01:32.50 | Curalton | "word from the wise" would make sense also jaska |
| 01:32.54 | jaska | and nice it to -20 (well, -19) |
| 01:32.57 | jaska | curalton, aye. |
| 01:33.18 | jaska | 32 or 8 meg, i forgot |
| 01:34.02 | jaska | maybe im just lucky? |
| 01:34.16 | sourdough | scsi cd-r? |
| 01:34.22 | jaska | atapi |
| 01:34.24 | jaska | ide disks |
| 01:34.31 | sourdough | lucky then |
| 01:35.01 | jaska | on separate ide buses tho |
| 01:35.09 | sourdough | that helps |
| 01:35.19 | jaska | i never put more than 1 device per bus |
| 01:35.20 | jaska | anyway |
| 01:35.20 | sourdough | scsi helps more |
| 01:35.22 | Curalton | well if the cdr has burnfree it should work fine |
| 01:35.24 | jaska | i know |
| 01:36.02 | sourdough | my cd writer is scsi, but disks are ide shit |
| 01:36.50 | jaska | argh, its 3:30am |
| 01:37.05 | Curalton | 2:37 here :P |
| 01:37.27 | Curalton | strange finland... |
| 01:37.33 | jaska | huh |
| 01:37.43 | jaska | yeah, finland. |
| 01:39.57 | medwards | Unable to find cdrecord executable ?? |
| 01:40.18 | sourdough | apt-get install cdrecord perhaps |
| 01:40.45 | medwards | sane@winky:/dev$ ls -l /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 01:40.46 | medwards | -rws--x--- 1 root audio 133 Jan 9 10:37 /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 01:40.55 | sourdough | are you in group audio? |
| 01:40.59 | medwards | yep |
| 01:41.06 | sourdough | that should be group cdrom rather then audio, but odk |
| 01:41.12 | Curalton | did you log in after adding you? |
| 01:41.21 | medwards | yep |
| 01:41.26 | sourdough | run id |
| 01:41.29 | medwards | Nor can it find a device. |
| 01:41.43 | medwards | sane@winky:/dev$ id |
| 01:41.43 | medwards | uid=1000(sane) gid=1000(sane) groups=1000(sane),29(audio),100(users),106(lpadmin) |
| 01:41.44 | sourdough | hmm thats awfully small for an executable |
| 01:41.47 | sourdough | 133 bytes? |
| 01:41.59 | sk1p | sourdough: shell script perhaps? |
| 01:42.04 | jaska | suid shell script? |
| 01:42.11 | sourdough | sk1p in which case that s bit is pointless |
| 01:42.14 | medwards | selects between .mmap and .shm bersion |
| 01:42.15 | sourdough | linux ignores s on scripts |
| 01:42.20 | sk1p | hmm... oh |
| 01:42.21 | medwards | s/bersion/versions/ |
| 01:42.22 | sk1p | ok ;) |
| 01:42.34 | medwards | right outta sid. |
| 01:42.39 | Curalton | /usr/bin/cdrecord.mmap is suid as well... |
| 01:42.40 | sourdough | sk1p suid scripts are inherently and fundementally insecure |
| 01:42.54 | sourdough | sk1p so linux forbids them and ignores them |
| 01:42.54 | medwards | k3b setup probably did that. |
| 01:43.11 | sourdough | Curalton dumbass packaging bugs then |
| 01:43.13 | jaska | k3b? |
| 01:43.16 | sk1p | sourdough: ah. okay |
| 01:43.28 | Curalton | jaska: k3b burning gui |
| 01:43.34 | Curalton | s/k3b/kde/ |
| 01:43.39 | jaska | uff. |
| 01:43.47 | sourdough | course suid cdrecord is fundementally insecure too |
| 01:44.02 | sourdough | it barly tries to handle such privilege |
| 01:47.07 | medwards | I got rid of the shell script, and that particular complaint is gone. |
| 01:48.01 | medwards | Still no device, though. |
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| 01:48.18 | sk1p | can you specify the device manually? |
| 01:48.19 | sourdough | just be a man and use cdrecord on the command line |
| 01:48.37 | sk1p | yea, or that :P |
| 01:48.47 | sourdough | its not that bloody hard |
| 01:48.53 | sourdough | damned macos weenies |
| 01:49.16 | sk1p | ;) |
| 01:49.26 | medwards | sourdough, I've been running debian since '99, OK? Just not on ppc. |
| 01:49.43 | sourdough | cdrecord works the same on all archs |
| 01:50.25 | medwards | In the past, I've used it with ide-scsi. On Curalton's advice, I'm trying it without. |
| 01:51.49 | medwards | And in the past, I've used it from the command line. On Curalton's advice, I'm trying out k3b. |
| 01:52.28 | sourdough | yeah well Curalton was suggesting people add themselves to group disk earlier, so to be totally blunt im not confident in his advice |
| 01:52.38 | medwards | So if the wackage is ppc specific, or new to sid, or whatever, it's worth filing a bug report. |
| 01:53.32 | medwards | sourdough, fair enough. So if, say, ide-scsi is necessary, no bug report is required. |
| 01:53.47 | sourdough | ide-scsi is not necessary in 2.6 |
| 01:54.14 | medwards | That is indeed how I understood it, so it doesn't surprise me that it doesn't work here. |
| 01:54.34 | sourdough | however if the 2.6 ide powerpc drivers are broken, then it may still be necessary (excepy ide-scsi is broken so you need 2.4 in that case) |
| 01:54.56 | medwards | <medwards> Curalton, cdrecord without ide-scsi -- how? |
| 01:54.57 | medwards | <Curalton> just have up to date cdrecord utils, thats all |
| 01:55.46 | sk1p | medwards: and you have to use dev=/dev/hdX instead of dev=x,y,z |
| 01:56.17 | Curalton | sourdough: all im saying is "works for me" :P |
| 01:56.17 | medwards | powerpc kernel in sid seems to be wacked to the extent that append="hdb=ide-scsi max_scsi_luns=1" isn't sufficient to load ide-scsi. |
| 01:56.33 | medwards | Curalton, kernel 2.6? |
| 01:56.50 | sourdough | Curalton group=disk == running as root, works for Lindows too |
| 01:56.52 | Curalton | yes, but it ATAPI burning also works with 2.4 |
| 01:57.10 | sourdough | until someone gets you to run a nice script that dd's /dev/random into /dev/hda |
| 01:57.10 | medwards | Tell it to k3b. :) |
| 01:57.11 | Sam-I-Am | yo homies |
| 01:57.16 | Sam-I-Am | wasaaaaap |
| 01:57.16 | Curalton | sourdough: well I fixed it here now, thanks for the adice anyhow :) |
| 01:57.51 | sourdough | Curalton atapi burning in 2.4 is done totally differently then in 2.6 |
| 01:57.53 | jaska | thank god for the suffering. |
| 01:57.59 | Curalton | medwards: so k3b doesn't autodetect the devices? |
| 01:58.03 | Sam-I-Am | sup sourdough |
| 01:58.06 | sourdough | 2.6 actually fixed ide to be capable of proper cdrecord stuffs |
| 01:58.11 | sourdough | 2.4 was done by way of cdrecord kludge |
| 01:58.21 | Curalton | ah, well only tried it with 2.6 anyhow |
| 01:58.24 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am not much |
| 01:58.30 | jaska | rowr. |
| 01:58.31 | sk1p | medwards: did you boot with hdX=ide-scsi ? |
| 01:58.47 | medwards | <medwards> powerpc kernel in sid seems to be wacked to the extent that append="hdb=ide-scsi max_scsi_luns=1" isn't sufficient to load ide-scsi. |
| 01:58.48 | Sam-I-Am | mmm |
| 01:58.59 | Sam-I-Am | i havent tried 2.6 yet |
| 01:59.09 | sourdough | medwards no those args only work if IDE_SCSI=y |
| 01:59.12 | sourdough | not if its =m |
| 01:59.12 | jaska | i'll wait for .10 or so |
| 01:59.21 | Sam-I-Am | me too |
| 01:59.22 | sourdough | if its =m then those args need to go to modprobe |
| 01:59.30 | Sam-I-Am | let everyone else destroy their systems first :P |
| 01:59.36 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am yup |
| 01:59.36 | medwards | In kern.log: kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2 |
| 01:59.37 | sk1p | medwards: yes, if you boot with ide-scsi, the ide-cd driver won't be loaded, so no atapi burning |
| 02:00.03 | medwards | /proc/ide/hdb has proper ide-cdrom contents |
| 02:00.05 | sourdough | medwards that means /sbin/modprobe does not exist |
| 02:00.28 | sk1p | medwards: so does mounting /dev/hdb work? |
| 02:01.13 | medwards | mount: /dev/cdrom: can't read superblock |
| 02:01.26 | sk1p | ah. you need to reboot without ide-scsi |
| 02:01.32 | sourdough | well if its really ide-scsied then you can't mount that device anymore |
| 02:01.35 | medwards | eject: unable to open `/dev/cdrom' |
| 02:01.37 | sourdough | its really /dev/scd0 or so |
| 02:01.57 | jaska | hmm |
| 02:01.59 | jaska | or sr0 |
| 02:02.00 | sourdough | and cdrecord would need 0,0,0 or so as device |
| 02:02.05 | sourdough | jaska same thing |
| 02:02.09 | jaska | ah |
| 02:02.11 | sourdough | jaska sr* are symlinks to scd* |
| 02:02.48 | medwards | nope, it's not either of those. |
| 02:03.01 | medwards | Again, ide-scsi didn't really happen, according to kern.log. |
| 02:03.13 | sourdough | because you don't have modprobe |
| 02:03.22 | sourdough | errno=2 == No such file or directory |
| 02:03.28 | sk1p | .oO(module-init-tools?) |
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| 02:03.59 | sourdough | ive always compiled ide-scsi in, not as module |
| 02:04.29 | medwards | Bingo. The hdb= is necessary to stop ide from grabbing hdb, but I _also_ needed to modprobe ide-scsi. |
| 02:04.35 | medwards | All becomes clear. :) |
| 02:04.39 | sk1p | :) |
| 02:04.51 | sourdough | yes, why taking the module crap out makes things simp0ler |
| 02:05.08 | sk1p | hdb=ide-scsi just tells the ide-cd driver not to attach to the device.. |
| 02:05.20 | sourdough | right |
| 02:08.38 | medwards | it's only a module because I hadn't gotten around to compiling my own kernel yet. |
| 02:11.18 | medwards | Let the burning begin ... |
| 02:12.54 | medwards | Now that really toasts my cheese. |
| 02:13.51 | medwards | A 700 MB image is not going to go on a 650 MB CDR. :( |
| 02:15.08 | Sam-I-Am | just strip off 50 million random bits :P |
| 02:15.20 | Sam-I-Am | you dont need all of em :) |
| 02:15.23 | sk1p | hehe |
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| 02:21.34 | sourdough | um duh |
| 02:21.58 | Curalton | not 700MB cd-rs arround? |
| 02:22.09 | Curalton | atm that's all I can buy arround here |
| 02:23.25 | sourdough | my point is simply that 650 !>= 700 |
| 02:24.43 | Curalton | hmm, let me thing about that for a few days... maybe i can falsify it |
| 02:25.02 | medwards | Refuses to overburn it, too. |
| 02:29.38 | medwards | Fine. Be that way. Switching to Morphix. :) |
| 02:30.11 | medwards | Thanks for the help, guys; looks like I'll be able to burn once size(iso) <= size(media). |
| 02:34.38 | sk1p | knoppix is oversized ;) |
| 02:34.57 | sk1p | anyway.. i'm going to bed.. g'nite |
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| 03:02.22 | medwards | Having trouble with xmms under KDE ... do I need an arts plugin for it or something? |
| 03:02.56 | zorton | well i'm still stuck on this kernel compile |
| 03:04.03 | medwards | xmms-arts. Yes, I am a nitwit. |
| 03:04.11 | medwards | zorton: how so? |
| 03:04.23 | zorton | medwards: trying to build a 2.4 nubus kernerl |
| 03:04.58 | medwards | ah. 'fraid I'll be limited help there. |
| 03:05.04 | zorton | error: parse error before |
| 03:05.05 | zorton | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.23 | zorton | gbunch of undefined funtions and stuff |
| 03:05.38 | zorton | defkeymap.c:1: error: parse error before "defkeymap" |
| 03:07.59 | medwards | There's something in there about converting to linux keycodes from ADB ones ... fiddle with that config. |
| 03:10.18 | zorton | yeah I did that |
| 03:10.50 | Curalton | medwards: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/keycodes ? |
| 03:11.02 | zorton | i'm thinking it might be a problem with compiling 2.4 on a a2.6 machine |
| 03:11.14 | zorton | i'm trying to get this thing compiled for my 7100 on my g4 |
| 03:11.17 | zorton | takes much less time :) |
| 03:11.17 | medwards | Curalton, dunno, mine's USB. |
| 03:11.48 | medwards | got linux-headers 2.5.999 installed? that could be it, maybe. |
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| 03:12.44 | zorton | medwards: yeah I do, however I don't think it's including any of those headers in the compile |
| 03:13.00 | zorton | i'm going to test by mounting the sourcees nfs from the 7100 machine compiling on there |
| 03:13.04 | medwards | Debian 2.4.24 sources? |
| 03:13.12 | medwards | or benh? |
| 03:13.53 | zorton | bk checkout from the 2.4nubus tree |
| 03:16.55 | medwards | outside my expertise, I'm afraid. |
| 03:18.33 | zorton | yeah and a bit out of mine too |
| 03:18.37 | zorton | htanks for trying to help |
| 03:18.42 | medwards | np |
| 03:18.51 | medwards | sorry I'm not more use. :) |
| 03:38.46 | i58 | wow, people do talk in here after all, excellent! |
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| 03:39.46 | i58 | is there a howto for getting sound going on an imac DV anywhere? |
| 03:40.06 | sourdough | CONFIG_DMASOUND=y |
| 03:40.34 | i58 | where does that go, I'm a noob |
| 03:40.47 | sourdough | build your kernel with that config option |
| 03:40.57 | sourdough | or install the dmasound_* modules |
| 03:41.14 | sourdough | and adduser <yourusername> audio |
| 03:41.16 | i58 | i did a netinst with the 2.4 |
| 03:41.18 | medwards | /etc/modules |
| 03:41.30 | zorton | geeze |
| 03:41.39 | zorton | sourdough: did you ever get a nubus machine fired up? |
| 03:41.56 | medwards | and sudo modprobe dmasound_pmac |
| 03:42.17 | medwards | (works fine with the kernel in sid) |
| 03:43.01 | medwards | To be a little less terse: just add a line "dmasound_pmac" to /etc/modules. You don't have to reboot, just "sudo modprobe dmasound_pmac". |
| 03:44.43 | medwards | 'night |
| 03:46.13 | i58 | hm. ok, now i have a sizzling noise comming out muh speakers |
| 03:46.24 | i58 | at least thats sound heh. |
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| 04:20.27 | sourdough | zorton never attempted it |
| 04:20.43 | sourdough | zorton ive got one, but i don't have any interest in doing anything with it right now |
| 04:21.01 | sourdough | already got more machines then i have room for/know what to do with |
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| 09:11.18 | sloopy | i am installing debian and it didint make a device node for the cdrom there is sr2 & sr3 but no sr0 what is the correct options for mknode(?) to create it? |
| 09:12.42 | sloopy | d'oh ment to say this in #debian :'/ |
| 09:24.24 | simonrvn | cd /dev; MAKEDEV sr |
| 09:24.36 | simonrvn | sourdough: eggdrop |
| 09:26.37 | sloopy | simon: MAKEDEV didnt know how to make it so i had to use mknod... |
| 09:26.51 | sloopy | i got my answer in #debian... but thanks anywho :') |
| 09:28.25 | sourdough | makedev knows how |
| 09:31.09 | sloopy | sourdough: it said it didnt... |
| 09:31.41 | sourdough | it does, its probably just the wrong arg |
| 09:31.45 | sourdough | try scd-all or so |
| 09:32.03 | sloopy | i already did it with mknod |
| 09:32.11 | sloopy | and it is installing... |
| 09:32.52 | sourdough | sr works for me |
| 09:33.05 | sourdough | as does scd |
| 09:33.10 | sloopy | you are also on ppc... i am not ;') |
| 09:33.21 | simonrvn | cool. yeh what i do when i want to use MAKEDEV i just take a look at the script, and see what would create the thing i want. but it doesn't cover special cases like /dev/tun* and such |
| 09:33.39 | simonrvn | (would make it too big) |
| 09:33.52 | sourdough | debian's makedev is a bit screwy |
| 09:34.30 | simonrvn | a little yeh. when you think MAKEDEV foo will create them, it errors out. :/ |
| 09:34.32 | sourdough | can always read the man page too |
| 09:34.57 | sloopy | debian's linux-m68k is beyond screwy... and is well into 'flakey' territory... |
| 09:34.59 | sourdough | simonrvn yeah, scd0 should make that node |
| 09:35.03 | sourdough | it works for some things but not most |
| 09:35.03 | simonrvn | ...duh, of course. /me slaps head |
| 09:35.14 | sourdough | sloopy MAKEDEV is the same on all archs |
| 09:35.20 | sloopy | man pages are available during install? |
| 09:35.22 | simonrvn | or scd, or *something* |
| 09:35.37 | simonrvn | it does have per-arch stuff |
| 09:35.39 | sourdough | sloopy on install those devices are already created |
| 09:35.45 | simonrvn | so yeh, it's the same |
| 09:36.07 | sloopy | sour: i wasnt speaking of MAKEDEV specifically i was speaking of the m68k port in general... |
| 09:36.29 | sloopy | evidently not on this machine they arnt created... |
| 09:36.51 | sourdough | MAKEDEV is run with args like generic and such on various archs |
| 09:37.06 | sourdough | apparently someone decided m68k never has cdroms and don't include that device set on that arch |
| 09:39.50 | chris` | Anyone mind sending me the latest MOL sources (and kernel patches) ? |
| 09:40.02 | sourdough | what kernel patches |
| 09:40.05 | chris` | According to the mailing list the only up to date archive is BK |
| 09:40.30 | sourdough | they have a rsync mirror on penguinppc, im not sure how up to date they keep it though |
| 09:40.42 | simonrvn | not that much unfortch |
| 09:40.52 | sloopy | sour: probly a bug somewhere because CD is the most common install method on 68k macs... |
| 09:41.00 | simonrvn | possibly |
| 09:41.40 | sloopy | and considering 3 & 4 were made but not 0 & 1 i would just make it more likly... |
| 09:41.47 | simonrvn | heh |
| 09:42.03 | sourdough | no that smells like luser error to me |
| 09:42.26 | simonrvn | that 0 and 1 didn't get created? |
| 09:42.29 | sourdough | MAKEDEV only creates the cd devices in a set scd 0-16 |
| 09:42.39 | sloopy | simon: nope |
| 09:42.39 | sourdough | simonrvn no, luser rm'ed them |
| 09:43.02 | sloopy | how can they be rm'd at install? |
| 09:43.04 | simonrvn | well, i won't get into it, i don't know what happened. |
| 09:43.09 | sloopy | during the install scripts? |
| 09:43.25 | simonrvn | does b-f call mknod, or MAKEDEV? |
| 09:43.41 | sourdough | debootstrap extracts a devices.tar.gz tarball |
| 09:43.56 | sourdough | which was created with fakeroot MAKEDEV |
| 09:44.05 | simonrvn | cuz if it calls mknod, i can see it getting that kind of bug, otherwise, something happened to the files... file corruption maybe |
| 09:44.12 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 09:44.40 | simonrvn | so we'd need to look at that tarball, and see if it's in there or not (i would assume so) |
| 09:44.48 | sourdough | yup |
| 09:44.49 | sloopy | would have been at installer creation... the cd's md5 was good... |
| 09:45.01 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 09:45.03 | sourdough | no debootstrap build time |
| 09:45.14 | sourdough | its shipped in the deboostrap package |
| 09:45.16 | sloopy | sour: thats what i mean... |
| 09:45.34 | sourdough | just grab that deb from a mirror and extract it |
| 09:45.53 | simonrvn | ar p file.deb data.tar.gz |tar -zx |
| 09:46.30 | sloopy | the machine is only a 33Mhz 040 so it will be install for a 'little' while... |
| 09:46.42 | sloopy | ^install^installing |
| 09:46.54 | simonrvn | yeh.. i knopw what you mean.. i've installed on an m68k.. took overnight.. |
| 09:47.09 | simonrvn | esp. the unpacking and installing the .debs |
| 09:47.57 | sloopy | maybe i should put a PPC accelerator in it ;'D |
| 09:48.09 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:48.13 | sourdough | disk is really the worst part of thsoe |
| 09:48.22 | simonrvn | what does linux do in cases liek that? |
| 09:48.27 | simonrvn | like* |
| 09:48.36 | simonrvn | a ppc-upgrade m68k |
| 09:48.38 | simonrvn | +d |
| 09:48.49 | sourdough | doubt its supported |
| 09:48.52 | simonrvn | can it still use the m68k cpu? |
| 09:49.11 | sloopy | no... it just uses the ppc |
| 09:49.11 | simonrvn | probably treated like a nubus ppc mac |
| 09:49.23 | simonrvn | ok |
| 09:50.07 | simonrvn | could it run m68k-compiled binaries, or i guess it would run ppc ones? |
| 09:50.09 | sourdough | making a kernel run two different arch processors at the same time would be a rather ammusing CS challenge |
| 09:50.25 | sloopy | PPC upgrade cards were available for the Q800, Q840, and Q610's and pb 5x0's |
| 09:50.57 | simonrvn | i'm thinking the "m68k emulaor" that mock os has... |
| 09:50.57 | simonrvn | emulator* |
| 09:50.59 | sourdough | simonrvn no, because the kernel would have to be built for one arch or the other, it wouldn't have the asm to tell the other proc what to do |
| 09:51.03 | sloopy | from apple... also IIsi and IIci from daystar... |
| 09:51.10 | simonrvn | i see.. |
| 09:51.34 | sourdough | the macos 68k emulator is just that, an emulator |
| 09:57.08 | sloopy | it says installing base system, please wait... |
| 09:57.30 | sloopy | maybe i should start reading ivanhoe, war and peace, or something? |
| 09:57.42 | simonrvn | yeh ;) |
| 09:57.51 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 09:58.09 | simonrvn | or a 200-page papback, it'll take a few hours.. |
| 09:58.12 | simonrvn | paper* |
| 09:58.43 | simonrvn | no, wait, something bigger, 200 pages is gone in like 2 hours. it'll take longer than that |
| 09:58.52 | sourdough | ism68k ? "please wait a friggen LONG time..." : "please wait..." |
| 09:59.23 | sloopy | simon: you know how big ivanhoe and war and peace books are? |
| 09:59.23 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 09:59.32 | simonrvn | yes. 1000+ |
| 09:59.39 | simonrvn | or close |
| 09:59.51 | sloopy | war and pease is 4 inches thick in paperback... |
| 10:00.31 | simonrvn | how many cm? ~10-12? |
| 10:00.55 | simonrvn | ~10 |
| 10:00.57 | | i heard 10 is one more than 9. |
| 10:01.10 | simonrvn | oh shush you apt |
| 10:01.14 | sloopy | 2.54cm per inch |
| 10:01.23 | simonrvn | 10.16 |
| 10:01.26 | sourdough | heheh nice smartass comment there |
| 10:01.39 | simonrvn | ~9 |
| 10:01.41 | | somebody said 9 was less than 10. the standard port for DISCARD |
| 10:01.46 | simonrvn | ~11 |
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| 10:01.57 | simonrvn | ~8 |
| 10:02.05 | simonrvn | ~1 |
| 10:02.07 | | jbot:2 |
| 10:02.13 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 10:02.19 | simonrvn | ~2 |
| 10:02.20 | | ibot:3 |
| 10:02.26 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 10:03.15 | sourdough | ~foad |
| 10:03.17 | | i guess foad is \"fuck off and die\". Considered by many to be impolite. |
| 10:03.45 | chris` | hrm |
| 10:03.51 | chris` | I'm tired again, another day without mol |
| 10:04.05 | sourdough | what is wrong with the debian packages? |
| 10:04.22 | chris` | sourdough: stupid depends? |
| 10:04.28 | sourdough | eh? like what |
| 10:04.54 | chris` | kernel-package-2.4.22 for one |
| 10:05.14 | sourdough | thats only the -modules package |
| 10:05.20 | sourdough | just build your own modules package |
| 10:05.22 | simonrvn | the deps are dumb. like mol-modules-source deps on kernel-source-2.4.22 |
| 10:05.32 | sourdough | so apt-get source and fix it |
| 10:05.54 | sloopy | hmmm now it is being funny... it is asking me if i want to make linux bootable :'D |
| 10:05.57 | sourdough | none of that explains why you want RANDOM_BROKEN_BK_SNAP |
| 10:06.02 | chris` | I'm not entirely sure if the apt version works with 10.3 either |
| 10:06.18 | chris` | But I know current does (as mentioned on the mailing list) |
| 10:06.28 | sourdough | current release is packaged in sid |
| 10:06.31 | simonrvn | sloopy: hehee. default, behaviour. no worries |
| 10:06.34 | chris` | Their site is so out of date, makes it a little tough to track |
| 10:07.06 | sourdough | chris`: this is true |
| 10:07.09 | simonrvn | they aren't. but it asks that regardless |
| 10:07.25 | chris` | crap |
| 10:07.30 | simonrvn | you still need a 20 mb mac os part. to boot them |
| 10:07.31 | sloopy | simon: i know... i have used debian on m68k for ~7 years off an on ;') |
| 10:07.35 | chris` | I left my ac adapter at work |
| 10:07.36 | sourdough | simonrvn yeah disabling steps is quite non-trivial in boot-floppies |
| 10:07.54 | sourdough | simonrvn thats why powermac always asks to make a boot floppy then tells you its not possible |
| 10:07.54 | chris` | One battery is dead, the other is at 20% |
| 10:08.00 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 10:08.10 | chris` | So I guess no more laptop work for the weekend |
| 10:08.10 | sloopy | sour: its isnt for mac... apple wont release the 411 to do it... |
| 10:08.25 | simonrvn | 411? |
| 10:08.34 | sourdough | sloopy well its that there is no firmware |
| 10:08.44 | sourdough | sloopy though a miboot type bootloader might be possible |
| 10:09.00 | sourdough | if it were not for linux depending on macos crapping up devices in advance on 68k.. |
| 10:09.41 | sourdough | miboot type thing wouldn't be much better since it still needs apple disk drivers and such |
| 10:09.54 | sourdough | unless its on a floppy |
| 10:10.39 | sloopy | oops... guess it would help to put the right root partition in... |
| 10:10.45 | simonrvn | heh |
| 10:10.58 | sloopy | floppy on m68k is completely unsupported... |
| 10:11.07 | simonrvn | ok.. back to fiddling with my acls... |
| 10:11.08 | chris` | How much are additional adapters? Anyone know? |
| 10:11.22 | chris` | I should buy one to keep in my bag and one to leave at home.... |
| 10:11.23 | sourdough | sloopy that wouldn't matter for a miboot floppy |
| 10:11.24 | sloopy | only IOP machines have a driver (IIfx and 900/950) but it doesnt work... |
| 10:11.32 | sourdough | sloopy such a floppy would only be read by the macosrom |
| 10:11.54 | simonrvn | chris`: nope. but i'd suggest you getting like 2, one for work, the first one for home, and the other as a spare (deep inside your bag for instance) |
| 10:12.23 | chris` | simonrvn: the bag is always with me, so it would apply well to "work" situations |
| 10:12.25 | sourdough | sloopy you would just need some machine that does support floppy to make it, such as an x86 or whatever |
| 10:12.31 | simonrvn | nods |
| 10:12.52 | sloopy | damn... unable to open initial console... |
| 10:12.55 | chris` | jeez |
| 10:13.05 | chris` | $71 with discount!? |
| 10:13.14 | simonrvn | ouchie |
| 10:13.51 | sourdough | yes, that is highway robbery |
| 10:13.58 | sloopy | that i know is a known problem... only known remedy is to reboot and hope it doesnt happen again.... |
| 10:14.37 | chris` | Who knows, maybe I'll be downtown tomorrow and can stop by my office |
| 10:14.42 | chris` | Oh well, sleep for now |
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| 10:15.40 | sloopy | wahoo its booting... |
| 10:16.36 | simonrvn | yay |
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| 10:45.41 | sloopy | i am going to bed :'/ |
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| 11:25.00 | pook | anyone have problems getting alsa mac sound to compile on 2.6 ? |
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| 11:35.06 | simonrvn | no |
| 11:35.18 | simonrvn | you need i2c support |
| 11:35.40 | simonrvn | same as the backport to 2.4 does |
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| 13:59.40 | ace_ | !hi all |
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| 14:04.40 | dreamind | Hi |
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| 14:13.54 | egg | How do I get sound working on an Oldworld PPC? I get "device /dev/dsp/ can't be opened (no such device)" |
| 14:15.16 | Bor_Ed | modprobe dmasound_pmac |
| 14:16.19 | egg | Can't locate module dmasound_pmac |
| 14:16.29 | Bor_Ed | you have 2.2 kernel ? |
| 14:16.40 | egg | Yes |
| 14:16.49 | Bor_Ed | it might be dmasound then too |
| 14:17.01 | Bor_Ed | grmbl, yet another kernel compile kaboomed :/ |
| 14:17.27 | egg | In english? |
| 14:17.31 | dreamind | does anybody know if the Altivec Libraries from Motorola are being able to be included within the kernel or a ld_preload lib? |
| 14:17.52 | Bor_Ed | still don't have working 2.6.1 for this box |
| 14:17.55 | dreamind | they do have a (IMHO) quite free license, but I dunno if its free enough |
| 14:18.18 | egg | dmasound worked |
| 14:18.30 | simonrvn | dreamind! :) |
| 14:18.31 | egg | do i need to put that in a script so it works at every startup? |
| 14:18.59 | simonrvn | /etc/modules |
| 14:19.08 | simonrvn | just: dmasound |
| 14:19.47 | dreamind | Hi simonrvn ;) |
| 14:24.15 | dreamind | hm, damn I had saved the license to a wrong place |
| 14:25.23 | egg | is there a samba for PPC? |
| 14:25.39 | egg | i want to see files on my Win32 box |
| 14:26.13 | egg | n/m |
| 14:26.14 | simonrvn | apt-cache search samba |
| 14:28.27 | dreamind | egg: of course it is. |
| 14:29.10 | egg | dreamind: i came to that conclusion. i'm thinking "durr. why the hell not?" |
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| 14:39.48 | egg | argh... i accidentally hit enter on one of the options in the samba server config!!! how do i change the workgroup name? |
| 14:40.33 | Bor_Ed | dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> |
| 14:40.44 | Bor_Ed | or mess in /etc/smb.conf or so |
| 14:41.41 | egg | ta |
| 14:43.09 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 14:43.33 | egg | i must be annoying the crap out of you with all my n00b q's |
| 14:43.49 | Bor_Ed | we've all been like that so not really |
| 14:46.38 | egg | I usually get bored of linux after a couple of weeks |
| 14:46.40 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, can you shoot wget url for the kernel .config you did for me ? |
| 14:46.57 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 14:47.03 | egg | on x86 anyway |
| 14:48.41 | egg | /etc/smb.conf didn't exist. would it be in /etc/debconf.conf ? |
| 14:48.49 | Bor_Ed | hmm, you aren't really motivated then to learn new stuff if it takes 2 weeks to kill linux |
| 14:49.03 | Bor_Ed | could be /etc/smb/smbd.conf or so too... |
| 14:49.21 | simonrvn | http://66.11.161.129/bor_ed_kconfig |
| 14:49.27 | Bor_Ed | danke |
| 14:49.31 | simonrvn | np |
| 14:49.54 | Bor_Ed | it at least booted here... gotta fix the pcnet and mace drivers in that |
| 14:50.09 | Bor_Ed | umm, wget isn't getting it ?-o |
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| 14:51.49 | egg | was in /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 14:51.52 | egg | thanks bor_ed |
| 14:51.58 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
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| 14:52.39 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, moz doesn't connect either ... |
| 14:54.32 | simonrvn | try again |
| 14:55.27 | egg | hoorj, the ppc shows up on this machine |
| 14:55.54 | Bor_Ed | still no go... |
| 14:56.23 | simonrvn | too fucking weird.. |
| 14:56.24 | Bor_Ed | old but what the heck: http://www.thejemreport.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=107&mode=thread&order=0&thold=-1 |
| 14:57.24 | simonrvn | catch |
| 14:57.35 | Bor_Ed | price is a bit salty compared to single cpu 970 |
| 14:57.49 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: catch |
| 14:57.50 | Bor_Ed | shoot to port 30k in a sec... I'll open up some |
| 14:58.11 | Bor_Ed | now |
| 14:58.27 | egg | "smb_read_super: missing data argument" "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //tbpc01/audio or too many mounted file systems" |
| 14:58.48 | egg | i did mount -t smbfs //tbpc01/audio /mnt/smb |
| 14:58.50 | Bor_Ed | doesn't connect :I |
| 14:59.06 | Bor_Ed | use smbmount |
| 14:59.12 | simonrvn | you getting me at all? |
| 14:59.36 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, nope |
| 14:59.50 | simonrvn | *SIGH* |
| 15:00.21 | Bor_Ed | grmbl |
| 15:00.25 | simonrvn | ok, let me look at what's up. i'll let you know when thing are cool (shoudln't take too long) |
| 15:00.34 | Bor_Ed | hehe, ok |
| 15:00.59 | Bor_Ed | I could send my .config there for you to check WTF is bugging ... |
| 15:01.28 | simonrvn | nah, it's cool. i need to do this anyway |
| 15:04.32 | egg | durr, didn't install the samba client :rolleyes: |
| 15:05.02 | egg | i'm learnding |
| 15:05.57 | Bor_Ed | if you're using X, you might want to install gnomba or karamba or so |
| 15:06.05 | Bor_Ed | (gui samba clients) |
| 15:07.03 | egg | yeah getting a bunch of them |
| 15:07.13 | egg | just on dialup so it takes a while :) |
| 15:07.21 | Bor_Ed | naaa |
| 15:07.24 | Bor_Ed | can't :P |
| 15:09.57 | egg|St00pid_n00b | :p |
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| 15:12.31 | sebfrance | hello |
| 15:14.06 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: ok, try now. apache was unresponsive for some reason... |
| 15:14.15 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, oookat |
| 15:14.16 | simonrvn | had to killall -9 it |
| 15:14.23 | Bor_Ed | no kill -HUP ? |
| 15:14.31 | simonrvn | didn't work |
| 15:14.39 | Bor_Ed | aww |
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| 15:15.00 | Bor_Ed | does netstat show me knocking ? |
| 15:15.11 | Bor_Ed | still not getting that |
| 15:16.06 | simonrvn | tcp 0 0 66.11.161.129:80 81.209.12.5:1253 SYN_RECV |
| 15:16.34 | Bor_Ed | why doesn't it start then ?-o |
| 15:16.52 | Bor_Ed | try 7 going on... |
| 15:17.22 | simonrvn | i have no idea. it's been doing that for a while... :( |
| 15:17.34 | simonrvn | gone |
| 15:18.49 | simonrvn | 81.209.12.5,1255 66.11.161.129,80 tcp SYN_RECV 0:00:59 |
| 15:19.04 | simonrvn | now 2 |
| 15:19.15 | Bor_Ed | restarted wget |
| 15:19.33 | simonrvn | runnng iptstate, shows that stuff real-time |
| 15:20.12 | sebfrance | has chris` already released his G4 howto ? |
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| 15:20.32 | Bor_Ed | should work or what :o |
| 15:21.23 | simonrvn | it should do SYN_RECV, then send out an ACK on the other side, then another SYN, then establish the connection if allowed to |
| 15:22.09 | simonrvn | but somehow it isn't doing that |
| 15:22.30 | simonrvn | i can get the site here though. very strange |
| 15:22.43 | Bor_Ed | I can get to any other site than yers |
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| 15:26.11 | pook | alright |
| 15:26.14 | pook | got another one not |
| 15:26.28 | pook | I have 2.6.1 but none of my consoles work |
| 15:26.29 | pook | only X |
| 15:26.44 | pook | some weird res stuff up or something |
| 15:26.45 | Bor_Ed | how you have homelinux reverse dns ?!? |
| 15:26.46 | pook | is this common |
| 15:27.02 | pook | I asked a bloke I know at my ISP to do it |
| 15:27.08 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 15:27.09 | pook | reverse arp |
| 15:27.19 | sk1p | heh ;) |
| 15:27.40 | pook | Linux twonk.kicks-ass.org 2.6.1-twonk #2 Sun Jan 18 19:59:25 WST 2004 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 15:28.54 | Bor_Ed | I don't get buggr 2.6.1 to run here ... |
| 15:33.46 | pook | ): |
| 15:34.04 | pook | I get no screen until X starts up |
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| 15:34.21 | Bor_Ed | oldworld box ? |
| 15:35.14 | ace_ | how to boot on the mac os X cd? |
| 15:35.27 | Bor_Ed | press 'C' after boing |
| 15:35.33 | egg | Device /dev/dsp can't be opened (cannot allocate memory) |
| 15:35.34 | ace_ | oh thanks |
| 15:35.35 | egg | aw :( |
| 15:35.50 | egg | stupid ram deprived piece of crap |
| 15:36.18 | Bor_Ed | egg, you have swap on the box enabled ? |
| 15:36.45 | pook | make a swap file |
| 15:36.47 | simonrvn | try again... |
| 15:37.00 | pook | its the easiest thing to do on a live system |
| 15:37.10 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, no go |
| 15:37.22 | beginner` | need some help here.. is there any options to install new debian-ppc on PowerBook G4? I try to boot from cd and also i've try from floppy but it cant, what should I do? |
| 15:37.23 | egg | of course i have a swap |
| 15:37.31 | pook | how much? |
| 15:37.43 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: restart the connection |
| 15:37.51 | egg | 90 something MB. I only have 16MB or RAM |
| 15:37.58 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, as in pppoe or wget ? |
| 15:37.58 | pook | you need more |
| 15:38.18 | Bor_Ed | I have 128MB swap and 64M ram |
| 15:38.26 | egg | la di da |
| 15:38.36 | Bor_Ed | dd some more swap and loopback mount |
| 15:38.39 | egg | i don't have access to any mac hardware i dont already have |
| 15:38.51 | simonrvn | google found us again |
| 15:39.03 | beginner` | any ideas? |
| 15:39.07 | Bor_Ed | beginner`, get the iso mentioned on topic |
| 15:39.07 | simonrvn | damn i hate dns for that, fucking propagation |
| 15:39.17 | egg | i cant make my swap bigger, the disk is full |
| 15:39.34 | Bor_Ed | ouch |
| 15:39.39 | Bor_Ed | kill some processes then |
| 15:39.51 | pook | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.56 | pook | then swapon it |
| 15:40.13 | beginner` | ive already follow the instruction on debian installation help file.. and already burn the iso, |
| 15:40.26 | pook | /etc/fstab |
| 15:40.35 | pook | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.37 | egg | oh |
| 15:40.43 | egg | its doing too many things at once |
| 15:40.47 | simonrvn | beginner`: do what Bor_Ed told you. try the one mentioned in the txt file in the /topic here |
| 15:41.06 | simonrvn | PowerMacs with XFS: |
| 15:41.06 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.27 | Bor_Ed | and no, you don't have to use xfs :) |
| 15:41.28 | beginner` | ok.. brb, thanks |
| 15:41.33 | pook | Ive only ever installed from MacOS |
| 15:42.09 | pook | can you use bootp ? |
| 15:43.00 | pook | Bor_Ed: in reply Im on a tangerine clam iBook |
| 15:43.00 | simonrvn | apt-get install debootstrap; mkdir /chroot; debootstrap sarge /chroot <deb source>; chroot /chroot /bin/bash -l |
| 15:43.05 | pook | old school (: |
| 15:43.31 | Bor_Ed | hmmm |
| 15:43.39 | simonrvn | optionbally mount a whole dirve to the chroot |
| 15:43.47 | pook | I must have missed something in my kernel compile |
| 15:45.03 | simonrvn | then edit /etc/apt/sources.list to point sarge or sid; dselect update; run base-config |
| 15:45.29 | simonrvn | or run base-config before the edit |
| 15:45.41 | simonrvn | but then you get woody's... |
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| 15:46.05 | Hans-Martin | hi folks |
| 15:47.44 | simonrvn | hello |
| 15:47.56 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: try again? |
| 15:49.00 | Bor_Ed | ari@gw:~$ wget http://66.11.161.129/bor_ed_kconfig |
| 15:49.01 | simonrvn | still SYN |
| 15:49.05 | Bor_Ed | still hangs |
| 15:49.15 | simonrvn | try at www.nuit.ca |
| 15:49.21 | Bor_Ed | ookay |
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| 15:49.36 | Bor_Ed | gee |
| 15:49.41 | Bor_Ed | 17:57:33 (17.98 KB/s) - `bor_ed_kconfig' saved [22512/22512] |
| 15:49.42 | simonrvn | got it. weird |
| 15:49.47 | simonrvn | yay :) |
| 15:50.23 | Bor_Ed | well lets see what you messed to get the buggr to even run here :) |
| 15:50.27 | Bor_Ed | thanks btw :P |
| 15:50.30 | simonrvn | np |
| 15:50.36 | simonrvn | my pleasure |
| 15:50.55 | Bor_Ed | you didn't have any extra hacks on sourcetree ? |
| 15:51.00 | simonrvn | nope |
| 15:51.04 | Bor_Ed | goodie |
| 15:51.07 | simonrvn | just the rsync |
| 15:51.33 | Bor_Ed | if/when I get the buggr to run, RQ requested I give the .deb to him :) |
| 15:51.34 | simonrvn | which reminds me, i nee to do that for my source trees |
| 15:51.39 | simonrvn | np |
| 15:52.04 | ace_ | is it possible to install a debian without formating my mac os 2? |
| 15:52.05 | ace_ | X |
| 15:52.16 | bighawk | look what i found |
| 15:52.44 | bighawk | the source code for the linksys wrt54g uses a 802.11g broadcom chip, and it's linux based |
| 15:52.56 | Bor_Ed | I don't think its possible to resize osx hfs+ partitions during install tho if you have unpartitioned space or another HD, why not |
| 15:53.07 | bighawk | it includes precompiled binary drivers for their proprietary broadcom 802.11g chipset |
| 15:53.13 | bighawk | the one used by the airport extreme i believe |
| 15:53.20 | Bor_Ed | hmmm |
| 15:53.27 | Bor_Ed | sure it's same revision and so on ? |
| 15:53.27 | bighawk | look what strings shows |
| 15:53.30 | bighawk | "%s: Broadcom BCM43XX 802.11 Wireless Controller %s (Compiled in %s at %s on %s)" |
| 15:53.33 | bighawk | not sure about that |
| 15:54.18 | Hans-Martin | ace_: do you have some free partitions on the disk? then you can... |
| 15:54.27 | sk1p | bighawk: 01:12.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94306 802.11g (rev 02) |
| 15:54.39 | bighawk | that's the airport extreme? |
| 15:54.42 | sk1p | jup |
| 15:54.45 | sk1p | :| |
| 15:55.02 | bighawk | aw, too bad, they have multiple 802.11g chipsets? |
| 15:55.11 | sk1p | seems so.. |
| 15:55.55 | ace_ | Hans-Martin: no, i had the default partition |
| 15:56.00 | bighawk | well, they seem to have written drivers for some other 11g broadcom wireless devices |
| 15:56.07 | simonrvn | but, you could fiddle with that code to get a linux driver going ;) |
| 15:56.23 | Bor_Ed | hellyea |
| 15:56.36 | bighawk | the compiled modules are for little endian mips |
| 15:56.48 | pook | so anyone else have problem with no console |
| 15:56.53 | Hans-Martin | ace_: then where do you want to install it? it just needs at least 2 partitions - one for a file system, and one for swap |
| 15:56.58 | simonrvn | whomever managed to rev. engineer that would get the love and admiration of airport extreme linux users everywhere |
| 15:57.09 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 15:57.12 | Bor_Ed | pook, I don't get nothing but garbage when running 2.6.1 |
| 15:57.31 | bighawk | simonrvn: well it seems to be a different chip |
| 15:57.52 | simonrvn | that's what i meant though, code for the right chipset |
| 15:58.02 | simonrvn | which means re.v engineering it |
| 15:58.04 | bighawk | but it seems odd |
| 15:58.12 | bighawk | the 43xx seems to be 11b only |
| 15:58.48 | pook | Bor_Ed: you must have stuffed up more than me |
| 15:59.09 | Bor_Ed | pook, prolly |
| 15:59.15 | simonrvn | pook, Bor_Ed: or the code hasn't been all ported yet... :( |
| 15:59.32 | pook | I just changed some stuff |
| 15:59.37 | pook | and im recompiling now |
| 15:59.38 | simonrvn | or you need something extra, or.. |
| 15:59.44 | pook | I get a working system though |
| 15:59.45 | pook | only in X |
| 15:59.54 | pook | the resolution is munted on the console |
| 15:59.58 | pook | so I cant see |
| 16:00.23 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, dunno, your kernel booted ... |
| 16:01.25 | Bor_Ed | this us CUDA mac ?? |
| 16:01.42 | Bor_Ed | gee, found what bombs here :P |
| 16:02.01 | simonrvn | oh yeh console is fairly fucked for me too. i have to do weird shit with fbset to get it going |
| 16:02.30 | simonrvn | it goes into 1024x768, then i have to set it down to 800x600 for all 6 to work |
| 16:02.44 | Bor_Ed | I can't even get 1024 here |
| 16:03.01 | Bor_Ed | where you found the hidden bt8x8 ? |
| 16:03.27 | simonrvn | you found it actually, it was elswhere. i noticed that in the .config you catted the other day |
| 16:03.43 | ace_ | what is the "command" key |
| 16:03.46 | Bor_Ed | yea... this .config you sent isn't similar :o |
| 16:03.52 | Bor_Ed | alt |
| 16:03.55 | simonrvn | apple key |
| 16:03.58 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 16:03.59 | Bor_Ed | right |
| 16:04.03 | ace_ | and option key? |
| 16:04.06 | simonrvn | alt |
| 16:04.12 | simonrvn | the double arrowed one |
| 16:04.35 | simonrvn | some old-school typesetters calle that the super-shift |
| 16:04.40 | simonrvn | call* |
| 16:08.40 | Bor_Ed | ari@gw:~/src$ su -c'make-kpkg kernel_image' for a change ... |
| 16:10.49 | pook | --append-to-version -I-love-fat-chicks |
| 16:10.50 | pook | (: |
| 16:11.31 | Bor_Ed | lol |
| 16:11.47 | Bor_Ed | oh well, started already... gotta hex edit the kernel when its ready |
| 16:22.04 | egg | wtf |
| 16:22.16 | egg | i closed x and it started right back up again |
| 16:22.39 | egg | why must it piss me off |
| 16:23.45 | egg | swap swap swap. grind grind grind |
| 16:24.54 | Bor_Ed | you have xdm on init ? |
| 16:25.11 | egg | i clicked Menu -> Console login, it died, then came back up |
| 16:25.29 | Bor_Ed | hmm |
| 16:26.17 | Bor_Ed | try ctrl+alt+backspace .... that should kill X |
| 16:28.47 | ace_ | is there the airport support with debian on ibook? |
| 16:29.08 | Bor_Ed | airport is supported but airport extreme isn't |
| 16:29.19 | ace_ | i have standard airport |
| 16:29.41 | Bor_Ed | it'll work |
| 16:30.19 | egg | where is the init script located? |
| 16:30.45 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.50 | simonrvn | /etc/init.d/xdm stop, or gdm or kdm ... |
| 16:31.08 | simonrvn | update-rc.d -f remove xdm |
| 16:31.12 | simonrvn | or xdm remove |
| 16:31.29 | Bor_Ed | gee, didn't know that clean way :P |
| 16:33.20 | egg | thx |
| 16:35.24 | egg | uh oh... kdm -remove just started it again |
| 16:35.27 | egg | bugger |
| 16:35.43 | egg | stupid slow machine |
| 16:35.51 | simonrvn | kdm remove? |
| 16:35.52 | egg | i wouldnt have a prroblem if i had more RAM! |
| 16:35.56 | simonrvn | why did you do that? |
| 16:36.05 | simonrvn | -remove i mean |
| 16:36.17 | egg | i thought it would do the same as xdm remove ;_; |
| 16:36.38 | simonrvn | uh no. you need to put the update-rc.d -f in front... |
| 16:36.45 | simonrvn | same goes for xdm |
| 16:36.47 | egg | oh |
| 16:36.57 | simonrvn | i was unclear, sorry |
| 16:37.32 | egg | *waits a few days for the machine to stop swapping* |
| 16:37.48 | Bor_Ed | you don't run kde on 16 megs, don't ya ? |
| 16:37.59 | simonrvn | i know the feeling. i used to have 52 mb ram in the 7500 across from me.. |
| 16:38.19 | simonrvn | i'd run openbox or something |
| 16:38.21 | egg | Bor_Ed: stop being a smart arse :( |
| 16:38.29 | Bor_Ed | I used to have 48 on this before I found out that one stick had jumped from socket |
| 16:38.35 | simonrvn | heh |
| 16:38.38 | ace_ | do you know what video card is in the old ibook? |
| 16:38.43 | ace_ | white one |
| 16:38.47 | Bor_Ed | umm ? |
| 16:38.48 | simonrvn | that's why my x86 wouldn't start up =) |
| 16:39.11 | simonrvn | ati probably |
| 16:39.17 | simonrvn | lspci should tell you |
| 16:39.17 | ace_ | it s a riva no? |
| 16:39.24 | Bor_Ed | mac starts ok with jumped stick... just doesn't count it for some reason :P |
| 16:39.35 | simonrvn | it's smart that way |
| 16:39.42 | egg | how do i get openbox? is there an apt source i can d/l from? |
| 16:39.45 | simonrvn | turns off that slot or soething |
| 16:39.50 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 16:39.55 | simonrvn | apt-get install openbox |
| 16:41.30 | egg | thx |
| 16:41.38 | egg | how big is it do you know? |
| 16:42.07 | Bor_Ed | apt-cache show openbox tells that |
| 16:43.10 | egg | Unable to locate package openbox |
| 16:43.11 | egg | meh |
| 16:43.41 | Bor_Ed | you don't have all apt sources correct then |
| 16:44.02 | egg | wouldn't suprise me |
| 16:44.19 | Bor_Ed | wanna see my bloated sources.list ? |
| 16:44.29 | egg | no... |
| 16:44.33 | egg | ill be right |
| 16:46.37 | ace_ | you don 't know the gfx card on ibook? |
| 16:47.11 | Bor_Ed | ace_, check lspci to see |
| 16:47.17 | ace_ | ok |
| 16:47.36 | ace_ | Bor_Ed: i can't right now because debian is in the installation step :) |
| 16:47.41 | ace_ | Bor_Ed: downloading packes |
| 16:47.59 | egg | hoorj |
| 16:48.03 | Bor_Ed | alt+f2 to get to console :) |
| 16:48.10 | ace_ | doesn't work (strange) |
| 16:48.13 | Bor_Ed | installer will still run on alt+f1 screen |
| 16:48.16 | ace_ | oups |
| 16:48.18 | ace_ | it works |
| 16:48.45 | ace_ | lspci is not found |
| 16:49.12 | Bor_Ed | cat /proc/pci or similar then |
| 16:49.18 | ace_ | ok |
| 16:49.20 | egg | what's a good command line mp3 player? |
| 16:49.22 | simonrvn | yes cat it |
| 16:49.29 | Bor_Ed | egg, mpg321 |
| 16:49.35 | egg | k |
| 16:49.36 | simonrvn | mpg321 (Free S/W) |
| 16:49.43 | ace_ | Bor_Ed: perfect! thank you! |
| 16:49.47 | Bor_Ed | hehe, np |
| 16:50.14 | ace_ | Bor_Ed: apt-get will installed ppc binaries right? |
| 16:50.23 | simonrvn | of course |
| 16:50.24 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 16:50.30 | ace_ | it s obvious yes :) |
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| 16:50.41 | Bor_Ed | you can install sources too if you want...tho why :o |
| 16:51.12 | simonrvn | many reasons, but not all the stuff of course |
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| 16:51.22 | simonrvn | woops :) |
| 16:51.29 | ace_ | do you prefer kdev or anjuta? |
| 16:51.31 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, you get mozilla and xfce and oo as sources ?-) |
| 16:51.49 | ace_ | oo as sources!! |
| 16:51.51 | ace_ | it must be nice |
| 16:51.55 | ace_ | to fill a hard disk :) |
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| 16:51.57 | simonrvn | of course not :). but bind9 i do, little stuff sometimes |
| 16:51.57 | Bor_Ed | I used to do some basic stuff with kdevelop back when I had x86 |
| 16:52.05 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 16:52.08 | spacecowboy | hey friends |
| 16:52.11 | simonrvn | hi |
| 16:52.12 | Bor_Ed | well like thet wasn't a joke :P |
| 16:52.14 | spacecowboy | hey simon |
| 16:52.15 | Bor_Ed | hiya |
| 16:52.41 | spacecowboy | i keep forgetting the crontab sequence for something |
| 16:52.48 | spacecowboy | */ * * * * 10 getmail |
| 16:52.53 | spacecowboy | to check every 10 mins |
| 16:52.55 | spacecowboy | for my mail |
| 16:52.59 | ace_ | how could i install additional module? |
| 16:53.00 | simonrvn | man * crontab, man crontab, and man 5 crontab |
| 16:53.00 | spacecowboy | am i close? |
| 16:53.12 | spacecowboy | ace_ make it |
| 16:53.32 | simonrvn | no, not quite. */10 * * * * getmail |
| 16:54.03 | spacecowboy | damn |
| 16:54.05 | spacecowboy | i was close though |
| 16:54.09 | simonrvn | yes |
| 16:54.12 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 16:54.18 | spacecowboy | back to smart house on disney |
| 16:54.19 | spacecowboy | :D |
| 16:54.44 | ace_ | spacecowboy ?? |
| 16:55.15 | ace_ | spacecowboy: i just want to add the ati module |
| 16:56.17 | simonrvn | modconf when the thing is installed |
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| 16:57.29 | chandler | hello folks - does debian run on the G5 yet? |
| 16:58.23 | ace_ | simonrvn: ty |
| 16:58.25 | simonrvn | to a crtai nextent |
| 16:58.29 | simonrvn | certain* |
| 17:01.38 | chandler | I'd settle for making it through the boot process |
| 17:01.51 | chandler | I know YDL has 64-bit images, which is what I would really like |
| 17:02.33 | Bor_Ed | hmm, it's same as gentoos '64 bit install' ? |
| 17:02.34 | simonrvn | it boots, for sure. benh and friends made the ydl one i bet |
| 17:02.45 | Bor_Ed | (new yaboot and old packages) |
| 17:03.06 | chandler | Bor_Ed: ydl claims to have a 64-bit kernel |
| 17:03.14 | Bor_Ed | nice |
| 17:03.18 | chandler | http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/apple/g564bit.shtml |
| 17:03.34 | Bor_Ed | loading |
| 17:04.56 | Bor_Ed | mmm |
| 17:05.21 | Bor_Ed | nice news |
| 17:05.23 | egg | How do I reconfigure Quik to load Linux without having to actually type Linux and press enter? |
| 17:05.45 | simonrvn | what? |
| 17:06.02 | Bor_Ed | egg, noprompt at quik.conf |
| 17:07.58 | egg | timeout = 0 ? |
| 17:08.26 | Bor_Ed | hmm, lemme check from my conf |
| 17:08.40 | simonrvn | you don't really need to... adjust the timout down to like 10 or 20.. |
| 17:08.44 | simonrvn | time* |
| 17:08.54 | simonrvn | default is 100 for some stupid reason |
| 17:09.12 | simonrvn | timeout=20 |
| 17:09.14 | Bor_Ed | default=Linux timeout=100 root=/dev/sda4 partition=4 append="video=platinumfb" <<-- here ... |
| 17:09.26 | Bor_Ed | boots up straight off I think |
| 17:09.42 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: btw, append= line go in the kernel section of the conf |
| 17:10.04 | Bor_Ed | I knew it was on wrong place ... |
| 17:10.04 | Bor_Ed | oh well |
| 17:10.22 | simonrvn | here's part of mine: |
| 17:10.41 | simonrvn | init-message="Debian GNU/Linux PPC @ nuit " default=Linux timeout=20 partition=3 |
| 17:11.02 | simonrvn | root=/dev/sdc3 |
| 17:11.10 | simonrvn | forgot that one :) |
| 17:11.24 | egg | argh |
| 17:11.30 | egg | mpg321 goes mental! |
| 17:11.58 | egg | who cares. the audio us working |
| 17:12.17 | Bor_Ed | skipping segments or so ? |
| 17:12.36 | egg | yeah |
| 17:12.56 | Bor_Ed | some weeners encoded mp3s do that here too |
| 17:13.23 | egg | does it not like VBR? |
| 17:13.50 | simonrvn | little vs. big endian maybe |
| 17:14.20 | Bor_Ed | did the same on x86 too |
| 17:14.26 | Bor_Ed | prolly VBR |
| 17:14.46 | simonrvn | nod |
| 17:15.54 | egg | how do i stop it from skipping? |
| 17:16.16 | Bor_Ed | you don't ... just put the output to > /dev/null if it bugs ya |
| 17:16.37 | ace_ | what is the bin name for selecting the main package tselect? |
| 17:16.42 | egg | :rolleyes: |
| 17:21.30 | simonrvn | probably old, but wtf |
| 17:21.32 | simonrvn | Calling a windowed operating system "Windows" is like naming an |
| 17:21.33 | simonrvn | automobile "Wheels." |
| 17:21.51 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 17:22.14 | Bor_Ed | aww, I'd need to find wheels somewhere (gui OS for C=64's :) |
| 17:22.23 | egg | At least they didn't carry on with "BOB" |
| 17:22.54 | egg | right |
| 17:22.57 | egg | ive had enough |
| 17:22.58 | egg | bed time |
| 17:23.14 | Bor_Ed | hmm, nice quit msg :o |
| 17:28.03 | simonrvn | ehehe |
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| 17:48.22 | pabl0 | hi! |
| 17:48.48 | pabl0 | I'm trying to compile some programs (gcc) from a pentium to a ppc, I know that I need to use crosscompiling, but when I do: |
| 17:48.54 | pabl0 | gcc -march=ppc code.cc |
| 17:48.55 | pabl0 | I get |
| 17:49.03 | pabl0 | cc1: error: bad value (ppc) for -mcpu= switch |
| 17:50.28 | simonrvn | you need to build the cross compiler, you just use your x86 gcc for ppc |
| 17:50.35 | simonrvn | you can't just use, sorry |
| 17:50.46 | pabl0 | :(, thanks |
| 17:50.59 | simonrvn | apt-get install toolchain-source or something |
| 17:51.17 | beginner` | anybody.. if on normal i386 system if we want to go to another console we push alt+F2, F3 and so on, what about the PowerBook? how could i go to another console? |
| 17:51.20 | simonrvn | and follow the docs to build the cross-compiler |
| 17:51.34 | simonrvn | try option key |
| 17:52.38 | beginner` | simonrvn: euboard: unknown scancode e0 54 <-- this error |
| 17:52.58 | beginner` | *keyboard |
| 17:52.59 | simonrvn | try Fn+option+F2 |
| 17:53.38 | beginner` | simonrvn: nothing happend.. |
| 17:55.14 | simonrvn | you in x right now, or console? |
| 17:55.20 | beginner` | console |
| 17:55.40 | beginner` | sorry im in console right now |
| 17:56.04 | mmaddin | key sequence might be important: option, then fn, then F2 |
| 17:56.57 | beginner` | yeah.. you are right mmaddin.. thanks ans thanks to you too simonrvn ... thats help |
| 17:57.15 | beginner` | *ans\and |
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| 18:08.20 | beginner` | emm.. how do i eject powerBook unmounted cdrom from console? *sorry im really new in LinuxPPC |
| 18:08.47 | mmaddin | sudo eject cdrom |
| 18:10.03 | beginner` | mmaddin: bash: sudo: command not found |
| 18:10.21 | mmaddin | you don't need sudo if you are already root |
| 18:10.39 | beginner` | eject command not found |
| 18:10.44 | mmaddin | then just "eject cdrom". Else get root and "apt-get install sudo" |
| 18:10.48 | mmaddin | apt-get install eject |
| 18:10.56 | beginner` | uc |
| 18:11.02 | beginner` | ic ... brb |
| 18:13.45 | beginner` | ok done.. thanks mmaddin |
| 18:13.45 | mmaddin | :) |
| 18:14.16 | beginner` | :) |
| 18:14.24 | mmaddin | there are daemons to make the eject key work. pmud is one of them afair. |
| 18:16.47 | beginner` | ic.. brb would like to test it.. :) |
| 18:18.22 | beginner` | is there a ports for pmud mmaddin? |
| 18:19.58 | beginner` | ah.. its ok.. i'll try to search it.. thanks.. ;) |
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| 18:50.03 | acemtp | ok |
| 18:50.08 | acemtp | i installed a default debian on my ibook |
| 18:50.14 | acemtp | the keyboard doesn''t fit at all |
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| 18:58.34 | Bor_Ed | use pc105 fr layout on XF86Config-4 |
| 18:59.24 | acemtp | it s not fit |
| 19:00.07 | Bor_Ed | I use pc105 fi keyboard here and have adb extended II keyboard... works like a charm |
| 19:00.27 | acemtp | and the - key is not on the 6 key? |
| 19:01.30 | Bor_Ed | no idea what you meant by that |
| 19:02.24 | acemtp | on french normal keyboard, the '-' is on the '6' key |
| 19:02.38 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 19:02.43 | acemtp | but not on mac keyboard |
| 19:03.14 | Bor_Ed | hmm, this KB I use has same layout as pc keyboards... |
| 19:03.25 | acemtp | which core pointer must i setup for X? |
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| 19:03.59 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.07 | acemtp | ok |
| 19:04.51 | acemtp | xf86config doesn't display lmps2 |
| 19:04.54 | acemtp | i just have ps2 |
| 19:05.12 | Bor_Ed | edit later by hand |
| 19:05.16 | acemtp | :/ |
| 19:05.20 | acemtp | ok |
| 19:05.44 | Bor_Ed | and easiest to conf X on debian is to run dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:06.12 | simonrvn | imps2 |
| 19:06.25 | simonrvn | that's an i, not an l |
| 19:06.35 | acemtp | k :) |
| 19:07.06 | Bor_Ed | ookay... I just peeked from my conf file :) |
| 19:07.26 | acemtp | where is the xf conf? |
| 19:07.36 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: you had it right, he just thought it was an 'l' :) |
| 19:07.40 | simonrvn | /etc/X11 |
| 19:07.41 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.08 | sloopy | simon: i went through all that with the install this mourning and i went to bed while it was doing the main install... my son woke up played with the machine and it froze so i have to reinstall :'/ |
| 19:13.07 | sloopy | oh and it didnt make the scd0 and sr0 node again... |
| 19:22.09 | simonrvn | oh crap :(. |
| 19:22.36 | simonrvn | oh well. hrm, a bug in the installer (there are some btw as you know) |
| 19:22.52 | simonrvn | my dns is working again :) |
| 19:24.07 | Bor_Ed | geeee |
| 19:24.12 | Bor_Ed | it was isp prob ? |
| 19:25.59 | simonrvn | no, partly caused by isp moving the ips, and possible iptables/shorewall misconfig |
| 19:26.15 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 19:26.21 | Bor_Ed | you mentioned about that move a while back |
| 19:26.30 | simonrvn | yeh, last week |
| 19:26.57 | simonrvn | i moved the whole LAN to the new stuff.. that was the easy part ;) |
| 19:27.24 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 19:33.39 | acemtp | how to make a right click with one button pad? |
| 19:34.03 | Bor_Ed | setup buttons 2 and 3 to f-keys |
| 19:34.12 | acemtp | how? |
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| 19:34.23 | Bor_Ed | in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 19:34.28 | acemtp | k |
| 19:34.59 | Bor_Ed | a sec, I'll shoot an example for f10 and f11 |
| 19:35.47 | Bor_Ed | dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation=1 |
| 19:35.48 | Bor_Ed | dev.mac_hid.mouse_button2_keycode=68 |
| 19:35.48 | Bor_Ed | dev.mac_hid.mouse_button3_keycode=87 |
| 19:35.57 | Bor_Ed | after adding those lines, sysctl -p |
| 19:36.57 | simonrvn | too fucked, lost a screw, but found a jumper :) |
| 19:36.59 | acemtp | not easy |
| 19:37.12 | simonrvn | then run sysctl -p after |
| 19:37.32 | bighawk | btw, there's a kernel patch |
| 19:37.33 | Bor_Ed | umm, I did mention that I think :o |
| 19:37.46 | bighawk | which makes it possible to assign a key + mouseclick to 2nd and 3rd mouse button |
| 19:37.50 | bighawk | instead of just a key press |
| 19:37.56 | simonrvn | oh yeh sorry. missed that :) |
| 19:38.06 | bighawk | that's much nicer, as you can keep using that key :) |
| 19:38.11 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I should setup rotten apple(tm) keys as mouse 2 and 3 |
| 19:38.26 | acemtp | do you know how? |
| 19:38.39 | bighawk | but the patch is only there for 2.4.x |
| 19:38.45 | bighawk | somebody should port it over to 2.6.x :/ |
| 19:39.13 | simonrvn | bighawk: patch for what? |
| 19:39.40 | bighawk | to assign a certain key press + mouse click as 2nd or 3rd mouse button event |
| 19:39.44 | bighawk | instead of just a key press |
| 19:39.51 | simonrvn | oh ok |
| 19:40.05 | Bor_Ed | could get pretty painfull on prboom :o |
| 19:40.12 | bighawk | prboom? |
| 19:40.27 | Bor_Ed | doom engine for linux :) |
| 19:41.39 | bighawk | ah |
| 19:41.58 | Bor_Ed | pretty nice 'painkiller' even on 601/90 :) |
| 20:00.55 | acemtp | hello |
| 20:01.12 | acemtp | where can i find the exact french keymap for ibook? |
| 20:01.21 | Bor_Ed | google a bit ? |
| 20:01.29 | acemtp | i m on it |
| 20:07.36 | chris` | hrmm, I slept in too much |
| 20:07.41 | chris` | 3pm jeez |
| 20:09.18 | simonrvn | hehe. you needed it i guess |
| 20:15.39 | sloopy | and once again i am re-installing :'/ (it hung during keyboard config...) |
| 20:20.51 | simonrvn | you don't need to re-install, just run it again, it'll continue where it left off |
| 20:22.29 | sloopy | with no fs corruptions? |
| 20:25.05 | simonrvn | hmm, i think it checks, not sure. been a while |
| 20:25.11 | simonrvn | fsck |
| 20:54.45 | sloopy | i am gonna be imaging it so i want to make sure there is nothing wrong with it.... |
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| 20:57.01 | simonrvn | ah yeh. shouldn't be a problem. you can always fsck it manually if you want to of course. |
| 20:59.09 | zorton | welp looks like kernel for zorton |
| 20:59.26 | zorton | defkeymap.c:476: warning: excess elements in array initializer |
| 20:59.32 | zorton | any ideas on that one? |
| 21:00.30 | LarstiQ | yeah, too many elements |
| 21:00.40 | zorton | heh :) |
| 21:00.55 | LarstiQ | no really :) |
| 21:01.00 | LarstiQ | int array[2] = { 1, 2, 3 }; will get you that |
| 21:01.13 | zorton | okay, how bout this error |
| 21:02.45 | zorton | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.12 | zorton | but i'm thinking my dependency for defkeymap.c is funked up |
| 21:04.36 | zorton | althought it shouldn't matter much because the machine i'm compiling this kernel on is using the same ppc keymap as the 7100 |
| 21:05.13 | acemtp | who installed pbbuttonsd? |
| 21:05.21 | zorton | not me |
| 21:05.25 | zorton | I blame simonrvn |
| 21:05.29 | zorton | his fault |
| 21:05.34 | acemtp | y? |
| 21:05.51 | sloopy | simon the whipping boy! |
| 21:06.03 | zorton | yeah, I mean if installing pbbuttonsd caused the moon to shift it's orbit slightly then it's obviously simonrvn's fault |
| 21:06.30 | acemtp | ok |
| 21:07.35 | simonrvn | @lart zorton |
| 21:07.38 | simonrvn | @fart zorton |
| 21:08.05 | simonrvn | ~lart zorton |
| 21:08.37 | zorton | still smiling |
| 21:09.07 | sloopy | simon: try thwaping him with a wet carp! |
| 21:09.26 | acemtp | simonrvn: it s your fault? |
| 21:10.15 | simonrvn | no, it isn't. he was joking |
| 21:10.25 | acemtp | are you sure :) |
| 21:11.36 | simonrvn | yes |
| 21:11.56 | sloopy | i can be a character witness for simonrvn |
| 21:12.13 | simonrvn | heh, thanks |
| 21:12.54 | sloopy | no prob... (just dont ask what kind of character ;') |
| 21:14.01 | simonrvn | ha! |
| 21:14.03 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 21:14.35 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, build finally finished from the .config you had and hacked a bit |
| 21:14.54 | simonrvn | ok |
| 21:15.11 | Bor_Ed | unresolved symbols yadayada :/ |
| 21:15.17 | simonrvn | damn |
| 21:15.22 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 21:15.25 | Bor_Ed | friggin hell |
| 21:15.37 | Bor_Ed | it was 6th or 7th try |
| 21:17.03 | Bor_Ed | 12.3 megs installed and 3.4MB vmlinux ... but no :( |
| 21:17.44 | simonrvn | :( |
| 21:17.52 | Bor_Ed | hmm, time to check out the dark side of linux sound drivers (alsa) |
| 21:18.17 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 21:18.37 | Bor_Ed | tho i2c puked too |
| 21:18.45 | zorton | is there an alsa driver for the 2.6 series? |
| 21:18.54 | Bor_Ed | alsa is default on 2.6 |
| 21:19.03 | zorton | didn't work it looks like |
| 21:19.15 | Bor_Ed | I tried oss |
| 21:19.26 | Bor_Ed | I have some gear that is happier with oss drivers |
| 21:19.36 | zorton | alsa looked nicer to me |
| 21:19.52 | simonrvn | beep works with dmasound, but not alsa. |
| 21:20.08 | Bor_Ed | same goes if I get the bt878 up |
| 21:20.22 | Bor_Ed | doesn't work with alsa but oss ran it at least on x86 |
| 21:21.27 | zorton | well I th ink i've made a mess |
| 21:21.44 | zorton | i've got alsa drivers installed from teh 2.4 series and the 2.6 kernel i've got going now has it built for modules |
| 21:30.28 | acemtp | tell me |
| 21:30.33 | acemtp | i don't have /dev/cdrom |
| 21:30.36 | acemtp | how to have it? |
| 21:30.51 | simonrvn | symlink to /dev/scd0 |
| 21:31.06 | acemtp | it should not be automatic?* |
| 21:31.27 | acemtp | and how to eject the cd? |
| 21:31.51 | sk1p | apt-get install eject |
| 21:31.54 | acemtp | ok :) |
| 21:33.30 | acemtp | dosen'twork |
| 21:33.38 | acemtp | it say that it can't eject |
| 21:33.59 | sk1p | must run as root. |
| 21:34.03 | acemtp | i m root |
| 21:36.12 | simonrvn | apt-get install eject as root, etc. |
| 21:36.17 | acemtp | i did that |
| 21:36.23 | acemtp | but it doesn't eject |
| 21:36.26 | simonrvn | eject cdrom |
| 21:36.30 | acemtp | i think that the device is not available |
| 21:37.17 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, trying your .config with multimedia disabled and mace built in |
| 21:37.41 | simonrvn | k |
| 21:37.52 | Bor_Ed | will see in the morning ... |
| 21:38.00 | simonrvn | good luck |
| 21:38.22 | Bor_Ed | seems that I start to need that :I |
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| 21:40.19 | Bor_Ed | if it doesn't work this time, I'll wait for 2.6.4 or so and then give it another shot :I |
| 21:43.18 | zorton | well for some reason the keymap between my 7100 running woody and my sid g4 are diffrent |
| 21:43.27 | zorton | that was cuasing the compile problme in defkeymap.c |
| 21:43.31 | zorton | in casee anyone is interested |
| 21:45.30 | sloopy | zorton: was linux hard to get running on your 7100? |
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| 21:55.48 | acemtp | how ikeyd config? |
| 21:56.30 | markedwards | I installed the 2.4.22-powerpc kernel package, and sound stopped working in KDE. Is it possible to enable sound support with the pre-compiled kernel? This is on a G4 Sawtooth. |
| 21:57.37 | Bor_Ed | markedwards, you had 2.2.20 before ? |
| 21:58.19 | markedwards | No, I had a 2.4.22 that I compiled myself. I installed maconlinux and it replaced the kernel with the 2.4.22 package. |
| 21:58.47 | markedwards | strangely, sound still works in gnome |
| 21:59.03 | Bor_Ed | hmm, so it's artsd issue |
| 21:59.20 | acemtp | how to installe cdrom? |
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| 21:59.37 | spacecowboy | hey all |
| 21:59.39 | spacecowboy | i'm in os x |
| 21:59.43 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 21:59.56 | spacecowboy | sometimes it makes it easier |
| 21:59.57 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 22:00.00 | markedwards | What are the steps to enable sound support with a 2.4.22 pre-compiled kernel? |
| 22:00.01 | spacecowboy | i like linux better |
| 22:00.01 | Bor_Ed | ouch ! |
| 22:00.02 | spacecowboy | but |
| 22:00.14 | spacecowboy | markedwards namely? |
| 22:00.17 | Bor_Ed | markedwards, modprobe the driver and that's it |
| 22:00.28 | spacecowboy | markedwards yea... if you have the module compiled :) |
| 22:00.36 | spacecowboy | then add it to /etc/modules |
| 22:00.58 | markedwards | I assume the module is properly set up with the precompiled package? |
| 22:01.16 | spacecowboy | markedwards should be |
| 22:01.19 | Bor_Ed | probably... you just need to load it |
| 22:01.36 | spacecowboy | i haven't talked to you Bor_Ed in a while |
| 22:01.38 | spacecowboy | how goes it? |
| 22:01.48 | Bor_Ed | pretty ok |
| 22:01.57 | markedwards | Here's my /etc/modules: |
| 22:01.57 | spacecowboy | well thats good |
| 22:01.59 | markedwards | microtek |
| 22:01.59 | markedwards | printer |
| 22:01.59 | markedwards | scanner |
| 22:01.59 | markedwards | ieee1394 |
| 22:01.59 | markedwards | usb-storage |
| 22:02.02 | markedwards | appletalk |
| 22:02.02 | Bor_Ed | winter getting here pretty hard nowadays |
| 22:02.02 | markedwards | dmasound_pmac |
| 22:02.56 | spacecowboy | yea i know what you mean |
| 22:03.07 | spacecowboy | Bor_Ed ive been in os x today |
| 22:03.09 | spacecowboy | i don't know |
| 22:03.12 | spacecowboy | i wanted eye candy |
| 22:03.17 | spacecowboy | i have a tibook g4 anyways |
| 22:03.18 | spacecowboy | so |
| 22:03.25 | markedwards | I thought dmasound_pmac did the trick |
| 22:03.25 | spacecowboy | 1ghz isn't really needed for linux ;p |
| 22:03.30 | spacecowboy | markedwards should do |
| 22:03.34 | spacecowboy | lsmod |
| 22:03.35 | sloopy | space: dont remind me about osx... i am suffering in it now... |
| 22:03.37 | spacecowboy | make sure its there |
| 22:03.38 | Bor_Ed | get dang kde with all the bells&whistles |
| 22:03.43 | spacecowboy | sloopy ? |
| 22:03.46 | spacecowboy | why |
| 22:03.49 | spacecowboy | whats wrong? |
| 22:03.49 | markedwards | its there alright. wacky |
| 22:04.06 | spacecowboy | markedwards rmmod |
| 22:04.06 | spacecowboy | and redo it |
| 22:04.06 | spacecowboy | sloopy i am going back to linux in a bit |
| 22:04.06 | spacecowboy | i'm just |
| 22:04.10 | spacecowboy | enjoying messing :) |
| 22:04.21 | sloopy | space: my other monitor/keyboard/mouse is hooked to my m68k machine installing debian... |
| 22:04.22 | spacecowboy | lol but i am sshed into my x86 |
| 22:04.33 | spacecowboy | oh |
| 22:04.36 | Bor_Ed | traitor ! |
| 22:04.40 | spacecowboy | Bor_Ed ? |
| 22:04.54 | spacecowboy | what? the x86 you mean? |
| 22:04.56 | Bor_Ed | if I'm on x86, I ssh to ppc :P |
| 22:05.00 | spacecowboy | and even worse |
| 22:05.07 | spacecowboy | its gentoo :( |
| 22:05.08 | spacecowboy | ack |
| 22:05.14 | Bor_Ed | awww |
| 22:05.15 | spacecowboy | but its only a 466 server |
| 22:05.20 | Bor_Ed | you need to see a shrink |
| 22:05.24 | spacecowboy | so i wanted as many customizations as i could |
| 22:05.28 | spacecowboy | Bor_Ed i'm considering |
| 22:05.33 | spacecowboy | Bor_Ed its no biggy |
| 22:05.40 | spacecowboy | i'm 16 now as of dec. 6 |
| 22:05.41 | Bor_Ed | I run deb on 486dx2/50 here |
| 22:05.44 | Bor_Ed | works well :) |
| 22:05.45 | spacecowboy | so |
| 22:05.50 | spacecowboy | Bor_Ed yea i bet :) |
| 22:06.32 | spacecowboy | has anyone done a speed test with the mach kernel and the 2.6 or linux kernel? |
| 22:06.55 | sloopy | heh i have two 'pc's' one runs dos so i can play transport tycoon and the other is used as a space holder so my son cant get under my desk.... |
| 22:07.09 | spacecowboy | nice dude |
| 22:07.18 | spacecowboy | i have a x86 server |
| 22:07.21 | spacecowboy | and my tibook lappy |
| 22:07.23 | spacecowboy | which i love |
| 22:09.03 | Bor_Ed | sloopy, install dosbox or bochs to ppc and you'll get it running on 'right' arch :) |
| 22:09.31 | sloopy | transport tycoon will run under them? |
| 22:09.37 | Bor_Ed | prolly |
| 22:09.45 | Bor_Ed | check sf.net projects |
| 22:09.53 | sloopy | on a 400Mhz G3? |
| 22:10.13 | Bor_Ed | most dos games run at least on dosbox |
| 22:10.38 | Bor_Ed | I haven't tried tycoon here since this is dang too slow |
| 22:10.48 | spacecowboy | hmm |
| 22:10.50 | spacecowboy | well |
| 22:10.52 | spacecowboy | i like os x |
| 22:10.59 | spacecowboy | cept the bloated part |
| 22:11.26 | chris` | I grew not to like it |
| 22:11.34 | chris` | I never felt like I could get anything done |
| 22:11.44 | sloopy | bor: what is it that it is so slow? the nachine i run transport tycoon on in a 486DX2/66 box with a 100Mhz overdrive cpu... |
| 22:11.49 | Bor_Ed | I haven't ran even kde in ages since don't really like bloadware |
| 22:12.03 | chris` | I use only Openbox |
| 22:12.14 | Bor_Ed | sloopy, I have 601/90 ... this doesn't manage dang bochs or dosbox |
| 22:12.17 | sloopy | as for osx i like an os i can use not lick... |
| 22:12.44 | sloopy | bor: woof... a 7200... put a 7300-7600 mobo in it... |
| 22:12.58 | Bor_Ed | naa |
| 22:13.05 | Bor_Ed | this does nice job :) |
| 22:13.20 | sloopy | it wouls speed it up significantly... |
| 22:13.31 | Bor_Ed | btw, kernel reports this as 7300 mobo, weird tho :o |
| 22:14.10 | sloopy | not really... the 7200 uses basically the same desgin as the 7500/7600 which is also the same as the 8500 |
| 22:14.23 | Bor_Ed | I see |
| 22:14.48 | sloopy | the 7300 is only different as it doesnt have the video in/out so it says its a 7300... |
| 22:14.48 | bighawk | wow, those darwin-fanatics are really pathetic |
| 22:15.07 | Bor_Ed | ok |
| 22:15.20 | sloopy | i had a 7300 mobo in my 9600... mac os said it was a 8500 and linux said a 7500... |
| 22:15.39 | Bor_Ed | gee :) |
| 22:16.12 | Bor_Ed | well I'd be happy if I could drop this as desktop and get mpc5200 or so to do the gui stuff |
| 22:16.18 | sloopy | the only diff between the 75/7600 and the 8500 is the physcial connectors... some are straight others are 90degree... |
| 22:16.25 | spacecowboy | whatever |
| 22:16.28 | spacecowboy | its all good |
| 22:16.31 | spacecowboy | doesn't much matter |
| 22:16.36 | spacecowboy | i just want to get mol working in linux |
| 22:16.37 | spacecowboy | but noooo |
| 22:16.51 | Bor_Ed | apt-get --build source mol |
| 22:16.58 | Bor_Ed | should do |
| 22:17.02 | bighawk | i made 1 positive statement about linux in #opendarwin, and half of the channel got emotional |
| 22:17.03 | sloopy | space: why isnt it working? |
| 22:17.05 | spacecowboy | Bor_Ed modules as well???? |
| 22:17.21 | Bor_Ed | well add mol-modules at the end |
| 22:17.38 | bighawk | trying to make offensive arguments, making silly comparisons and analogies, and even threatening with banning |
| 22:17.39 | spacecowboy | bighawk check that out |
| 22:17.41 | bighawk | that's really pathetic |
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| 22:18.30 | sloopy | bighawk: heh just proves my point... Macintosh i like... Mac Users i dont... |
| 22:18.53 | markedwards | huh, I reinstalled the 2.4.22 kernel package and it started working miraculously, so something was obviously hosed |
| 22:18.59 | bighawk | well, i know quite a few good mac users |
| 22:19.08 | bighawk | but these people are jsut overly emotional |
| 22:19.09 | spacecowboy | well... markedwards did you reboot? |
| 22:19.12 | markedwards | yes |
| 22:19.14 | spacecowboy | bighawk agreed :) |
| 22:19.17 | Bor_Ed | hey, kid runs mockos on her lc475 ... single button mouse is good enough for 5 years old :) |
| 22:19.20 | zorton | well I don't know if I count as a good mac user but I use OSX for my primary desktop |
| 22:19.20 | spacecowboy | markedwards well maybe that was it |
| 22:19.30 | markedwards | no, I had already rebooted lots of times |
| 22:19.31 | spacecowboy | this istn' really all that important |
| 22:19.32 | bighawk | zorton: let's test |
| 22:19.33 | spacecowboy | no worries all |
| 22:19.35 | zorton | however there is alot that OSX can't do |
| 22:19.39 | markedwards | the previous kernel install was goofy |
| 22:19.41 | bighawk | zorton: linux is in some ways better than osx |
| 22:19.49 | zorton | bighawk: no doubt |
| 22:19.50 | markedwards | I think there were module issues |
| 22:20.03 | sloopy | bighawk: yeah... i know some mac users that are decent... i visted a mac user group once and when i said i had a machine that was more then 2 years old they pretty much shunned me..... |
| 22:20.06 | bighawk | zorton: ok, i see no angry overly emotional reaction, should be ok |
| 22:20.21 | markedwards | hey, is there any way to make linux behave as an Appleshare client? |
| 22:20.22 | zorton | bighawk: well it could be bubbling under the surface :) |
| 22:20.26 | markedwards | netatalk is just server, right? |
| 22:20.42 | zorton | markedwards: yes, it's appletalk running on unix |
| 22:20.42 | Bor_Ed | it manages mounting shares too |
| 22:20.51 | Bor_Ed | pretty much like samba on M$ land |
| 22:21.03 | markedwards | right, but there's no client, right? |
| 22:21.21 | zorton | I mean the moment you start to blinkdly follow an OS and not thinking about the benifits and disadvantages your no better than some linux zeolot |
| 22:21.23 | zorton | IMHO |
| 22:21.26 | bighawk | zorton: for example i said, that video playback (fullscreen) on linux took less than half the cpu than on osx |
| 22:21.41 | Bor_Ed | haven't ran in a while but I recall you can mount shares with netatalk |
| 22:21.47 | bighawk | zorton: and then i was being terribly stupid, as all of that didnt matter, cuz who every needed to use the spare cpu while he's watching video, etc.. |
| 22:21.49 | zorton | bighawk: well I can't verify that myself, I don't have a decent version of vlc running on this machine |
| 22:22.28 | bighawk | zorton: inmy situation, playing fullscreen divx with mplayer or vlc on osx takes 50-60% cpu |
| 22:22.30 | zorton | well I think that OSX dosen't have a very great multimedia system |
| 22:22.39 | zorton | bighawk: what are your specs? |
| 22:22.39 | bighawk | zorton: on my ibook g4, with a radeon 9200 mobility |
| 22:22.48 | zorton | CPU speed? |
| 22:22.51 | bighawk | zorton: 933mhz g4 |
| 22:23.06 | bighawk | zorton: full screen xvid i should say |
| 22:23.11 | zorton | well on my 867 titanium OSX eats about 90% |
| 22:23.16 | zorton | linux is about the same with the same file |
| 22:23.17 | bighawk | wow |
| 22:23.18 | bighawk | that's horrible |
| 22:23.22 | zorton | however my vlc versions arn't sinked |
| 22:23.24 | bighawk | in linux with xfree 4.4 |
| 22:23.32 | zorton | well I think these are fairrly big divix avi's |
| 22:23.40 | bighawk | with hardware acceleration for my 9200 mobility |
| 22:23.44 | bighawk | it uses 20-25% |
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| 22:23.57 | bighawk | zorton: so 20-25% versus 50-60% |
| 22:24.28 | bighawk | zorton: yes it are fairly big divx avi's here too |
| 22:24.31 | zorton | bighawk: what player? |
| 22:24.34 | bighawk | zorton: 750mb files |
| 22:24.39 | bighawk | zorton: mplayer with XVideo |
| 22:24.41 | zorton | what resolution? |
| 22:24.46 | bighawk | 1024x768 on bot |
| 22:24.47 | bighawk | h |
| 22:24.53 | zorton | nice |
| 22:25.00 | zorton | think i'll have to get mplayer configured right on this thing then :) |
| 22:25.19 | bighawk | anyway, according to those macpeople this isn't nice |
| 22:25.30 | bighawk | this is stupid, cuz who ever needs his remaining cpu when watching a movie? :) |
| 22:25.32 | zorton | well they are just in love |
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| 22:25.39 | spacecowboy | Bor_Ed how do i do that thing again |
| 22:25.40 | zorton | did you every make much sense when your in love? |
| 22:25.44 | spacecowboy | apt-get --build mol |
| 22:25.46 | bighawk | zorton: hehe |
| 22:25.48 | spacecowboy | apt-get --build installmol |
| 22:25.49 | spacecowboy | apt-get --build instal lmol |
| 22:25.53 | bighawk | zorton: and yes, i like osx too |
| 22:26.08 | spacecowboy | bighawk its a nice os |
| 22:26.13 | Bor_Ed | spacecowboy ? |
| 22:26.18 | markedwards | Bor_Ed: I'm pretty sure netatalk is only a server. apparently afpfs is the client, but it doesn't appear to be maintained |
| 22:26.21 | simonrvn | apt-get -b source mol-modules |
| 22:26.21 | spacecowboy | Bor_Ed for mol |
| 22:26.22 | bighawk | osx has some great software for it |
| 22:26.26 | spacecowboy | simonrvn i did already |
| 22:26.33 | spacecowboy | simonrvn i built the modules |
| 22:26.36 | zorton | bighawlk: I agree OSX is a great desktop OS |
| 22:26.37 | simonrvn | apt-get -b source mol |
| 22:26.42 | spacecowboy | and i keep getting this damn error |
| 22:26.45 | zorton | but it is slow compared to linux |
| 22:26.50 | bighawk | zorton: i said that too |
| 22:26.58 | bighawk | zorton: i said linux felt more responsive, also bull |
| 22:26.59 | simonrvn | linux flies :) |
| 22:27.07 | spacecowboy | simonrvn it does :) |
| 22:27.10 | zorton | however on linux I spend more time configuring things and fighting with drivers and such |
| 22:27.10 | bighawk | zorton: they immediately start saying crap like |
| 22:27.17 | bighawk | 'if you compare win2k versus dos' it's indeed slower |
| 22:27.18 | bighawk | heh |
| 22:27.18 | zorton | and the UI that I have built for myself isn't the greatest in the world |
| 22:27.29 | spacecowboy | simonrvn it won't do it |
| 22:27.29 | zorton | but it's great for what i'm doing right now, which is comnpiling a kernel for my firewall |
| 22:27.34 | spacecowboy | unmet build deps |
| 22:27.39 | bighawk | zorton: yes, linux support isn't good here :/ |
| 22:27.45 | simonrvn | apt-get build-dep mol |
| 22:27.50 | simonrvn | spacecowboy: man apt |
| 22:27.52 | bighawk | zorton: no airport extreme support, and no sleep support yet :/ |
| 22:27.57 | LarstiQ | bighawk: where? |
| 22:28.02 | LarstiQ | ah |
| 22:28.42 | zorton | bighawk: well sleep is working on this machine, bt titanium |
| 22:28.59 | bighawk | yep, it works on almost everything except for this ibook g4 yet :) |
| 22:29.14 | spacecowboy | simonrvn i know |
| 22:29.43 | spacecowboy | simonrvn its at automaken |
| 22:30.59 | bighawk | zorton: besides, there's plenty of fucked up code in the xnu kernel |
| 22:31.20 | bighawk | zorton: lots of access controls are lacking or aren't properly enforced yet |
| 22:31.38 | bighawk | zorton: when i was browsing the xnu code, i spotted some desastrous crap :/ |
| 22:31.51 | bighawk | i swear, if i brought that up in #opendarwin, i would have been lynched :) |
| 22:32.44 | bighawk | #ifdef notyet |
| 22:32.52 | bighawk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.53 | bighawk | #endif |
| 22:32.58 | bighawk | isn't gonna help make your os more robust. |
| 22:33.08 | sk1p | heh ;) |
| 22:33.20 | spacecowboy | ........ |
| 22:33.49 | bighawk | sk1p: check xnu/bsd/kern/kern_mman.c, the mlock() syscall implementation |
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| 22:34.48 | sk1p | bighawk: do they have webcvs or something, so i can browse the code online? |
| 22:35.06 | bighawk | opensource.apple.com or something |
| 22:35.12 | sk1p | k.. |
| 22:35.51 | bighawk | heh, look at this |
| 22:36.36 | bighawk | how hypocrit, 'chandler' was one of those people who got involved in that emotional overreaction in #opendarwin, saying that linux adds no value of osx and such, and who hangs out in #debianppc? |
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| 22:40.08 | zorton | well I managed to get the 7100 to boot |
| 22:40.20 | zorton | and it gave a nice sig11 right after init'n the serial driver :) |
| 22:40.27 | zorton | isn't this fun kids? |
| 22:40.36 | bighawk | hehe |
| 22:41.33 | simonrvn | wee |
| 22:42.03 | zorton | I think the thing to do is use Kato's stock nubus config and see if that boots |
| 22:42.08 | zorton | then start to add options |
| 22:42.29 | bighawk | sk1p: checked it? |
| 22:42.42 | bighawk | it has resource limit checks commented out |
| 22:42.46 | bighawk | it has super user check commented out |
| 22:42.57 | sk1p | bighawk: ugh..!! |
| 22:43.27 | bighawk | any user can lock large amounts of memory pages |
| 22:43.31 | bighawk | and kill the whole system |
| 22:43.41 | sk1p | bighawk: so those guys are just waiting for someone to post a prove-of-concept to bugtraq? |
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| 22:43.50 | bighawk | no idea |
| 22:43.54 | bighawk | i dont care |
| 22:44.05 | sk1p | :) |
| 22:44.09 | bighawk | for my desktop it doesnt matter |
| 22:44.21 | bighawk | but for a multiuser server operating system |
| 22:44.23 | bighawk | this is bad. |
| 22:45.39 | zorton | well make a proof of concept, post it to bugtraq |
| 22:45.41 | zorton | become famous |
| 22:46.25 | zorton | of course you can still crash most linux/unix/bsd systems with a fork bomb |
| 22:46.38 | zorton | while(1) { fork(); } |
| 22:46.47 | zorton | and similar |
| 22:47.09 | powerbook | :() { :|:& };: |
| 22:47.56 | bighawk | zorton: you can't |
| 22:48.03 | zorton | no? |
| 22:48.20 | bighawk | zorton: it will just hit a resource limit on sanely setup systems. |
| 22:48.34 | zorton | true |
| 22:49.55 | bighawk | and a a way to crash osx would be easy too |
| 22:50.11 | zorton | yep |
| 22:50.34 | zorton | the UI gets extreamly unresponsive under any sort of system load |
| 22:50.46 | zorton | but there are lots of well written apps and teh thing just works 90% of the time |
| 22:53.06 | bighawk | while(1) { |
| 22:53.06 | bighawk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.06 | bighawk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.06 | bighawk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.06 | bighawk | } |
| 22:53.44 | bighawk | erm, well, i forgot 2 )'s |
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| 22:56.29 | zorton | so post it on bugtrac under an assumed name :) |
| 22:56.37 | bighawk | no |
| 22:59.07 | LarstiQ | hmm, I know a multiuser osx system |
| 23:02.09 | zorton | go spl0it it |
| 23:02.43 | LarstiQ | hmm |
| 23:04.35 | zorton | cool the thing booted! |
| 23:04.38 | zorton | with a kernel I compiled! |
| 23:04.41 | zorton | w00t! |
| 23:04.54 | zorton | (I know this isn't a big thing nomrmaly but this ia nubus 7100) |
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| 23:05.19 | LarstiQ | ooh |
| 23:05.54 | trans_err | how can I use BootX to boot off a netisnt cd? |
| 23:06.51 | bighawk | i just tested it |
| 23:07.00 | bighawk | my ibook crashed instantly |
| 23:07.10 | bighawk | i get a moving beachball now |
| 23:07.16 | bighawk | and it doesnt respond to anything anymore |
| 23:07.30 | LarstiQ | nice |
| 23:08.29 | trans_err | if you can't boot a debian CD on an old world mac, how can you install at all? |
| 23:09.34 | bighawk | also |
| 23:09.40 | bighawk | i noticed that osx is fucked up for another reason |
| 23:09.46 | bighawk | you can't do a private mapping on /dev/zero!! |
| 23:09.51 | bighawk | posix demands that |
| 23:10.18 | bighawk | invalid operation for device is what i get back |
| 23:10.19 | bighawk | haha |
| 23:15.19 | zorton | trans-err: you have to boot the kernel another way |
| 23:15.47 | zorton | trans_err: you most often boot using an older version of macos and then boot into linux from there |
| 23:21.56 | bighawk | zorton: you're in osx now? |
| 23:24.13 | trans_err | zorton: yeah i know, how do you specifiy the kernel in bootx? |
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| 23:26.42 | bighawk | just checked it out, it's definately borked on osx, heh |
| 23:26.52 | zorton | bighawk: nope compiling a kernel for a 7100 |
| 23:27.04 | zorton | if all goes well i'll be in OSX pretty soon |
| 23:27.09 | bighawk | well, no need anymore :) |
| 23:27.12 | bighawk | hey sourdough |
| 23:27.16 | zorton | code worked? |
| 23:28.31 | bighawk | no |
| 23:28.47 | bighawk | i verified that /dev/zero can not be mmap'ed by looking at xnu kernel code |
| 23:28.50 | bighawk | and it's borked |
| 23:30.32 | zorton | anyone know if miboot will work on nubus machines? |
| 23:32.59 | sourdough | zorton there is a version that does |
| 23:33.03 | sourdough | zorton not benh's |
| 23:33.14 | bighawk | sourdough: ? |
| 23:33.33 | sourdough | zorton its on the nubus source forge site iirc |
| 23:33.51 | zorton | well i'm using the mklinux boot loader now |
| 23:34.12 | zorton | however I was thinking it owuld be nice to have dpkg do my kernel management for me |
| 23:34.25 | zorton | and i'm assuming that the kernel package can handle miboot |
| 23:34.30 | zorton | might be wrong about that |
| 23:34.46 | sourdough | zorton your wrong about that |
| 23:34.56 | sourdough | miboot is an incredible pain in teh ass |
| 23:35.05 | sourdough | it cannot read non-macos filesystems |
| 23:35.09 | sourdough | it cannot read a config file |
| 23:35.28 | zorton | well then i'll just keep doing my kernel manually by booting into mac os 7.6 and copying files around |
| 23:35.35 | sourdough | and it won't work unless its on a floppy, or a disk with macos crap on it |
| 23:37.15 | sourdough | its probably possible to improve, but you have to do all the programming in a expensive proprietary macos compiler |
| 23:37.29 | zorton | lame |
| 23:37.34 | spacecowboy | hey sour |
| 23:37.51 | sourdough | zorton yup, hence why its never touched |
| 23:38.02 | zorton | sourdough: you ever get that job? |
| 23:38.02 | sourdough | zorton but on nubus thats the only way, there is no firmware, only MacOSROM |
| 23:38.17 | sourdough | zorton i don't have macos compilers, nor interest in writing macos system code |
| 23:38.34 | spacecowboy | sourdough you don't like mac os x? |
| 23:38.57 | sourdough | spacecowboy nope, its crap, go to #macosx if you want to blubber about it |
| 23:39.04 | spacecowboy | no i don't want to |
| 23:39.11 | spacecowboy | i'm jw |
| 23:39.39 | sourdough | dont think osx compilers can render code for miboot either, think you need os9 or prior |
| 23:39.51 | simonrvn | 2.6 isn't vulnerable to :() { :|:& };: |
| 23:40.03 | spacecowboy | is 2.6 faster than the mach? |
| 23:40.06 | spacecowboy | kerny that is |
| 23:41.40 | spacecowboy | hmm |
| 23:41.44 | spacecowboy | one of you knows this :) |
| 23:42.46 | sourdough | simonrvn come again? |
| 23:43.26 | sourdough | spacecowboy im sure it is |
| 23:43.43 | spacecowboy | oh i bet it is too |
| 23:43.50 | spacecowboy | i'm just wondering |
| 23:43.51 | simonrvn | sourdough: let me see :) |
| 23:44.31 | spacecowboy | simonrvn ? |
| 23:44.35 | bighawk | simonrvn: did you test that? :) |
| 23:44.41 | sourdough | spacecowboy it pretty well beat all 3 *bsds in a recent benchmark |
| 23:44.46 | simonrvn | a crapload of stuff, then "fork failed: resource temporarily unavailable" |
| 23:45.07 | spacecowboy | sourdough cept for freebsd i thought |
| 23:45.08 | simonrvn | woops |
| 23:45.09 | bighawk | simonrvn: well, that are just good resource limits |
| 23:45.16 | sourdough | simonrvn oh is that some sort of sh based DOS ? |
| 23:45.31 | simonrvn | fork bomb |
| 23:45.41 | sourdough | spacecowboy no it beat freebsd in pretty much all counts too |
| 23:45.44 | bighawk | can somebody ask sourdough why he still has me on ignore? |
| 23:46.04 | spacecowboy | because he things your annoying |
| 23:46.22 | simonrvn | sourdough: bighawk is asking "why he still has me on ignore?" |
| 23:46.33 | bighawk | spacecowboy: for a minor thing which happened like a month ago |
| 23:46.43 | spacecowboy | bighawk i was just stating |
| 23:46.57 | spacecowboy | i was saying |
| 23:46.59 | sourdough | simonrvn that bit just gives resource temporarily unavailable here too, i have good resource limits |
| 23:47.28 | simonrvn | seems like i do too :). but in 2.4 it went beyond them. same settings |
| 23:47.38 | simonrvn | exact same settings |
| 23:47.46 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 23:47.47 | spacecowboy | funkay |
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| 23:48.06 | bighawk | simonrvn: maybe he ignores everything which matches 'bighawk', and your sentence didnt come through :) |
| 23:48.06 | sourdough | simonrvn well in 2.4 some res lmiits are ignored |
| 23:48.17 | simonrvn | ah that's probably why |
| 23:48.40 | simonrvn | bighawk: have you ever done an /ignore ? it doesn't work that way |
| 23:49.04 | simonrvn | oh, my load is still 56.32 36.22 16.42 |
| 23:49.04 | bighawk | simonrvn: i know, but he might have a script which extends ignore functionality |
| 23:49.09 | bighawk | simonrvn: i've seen that before |
| 23:49.14 | simonrvn | didn't even notice :) |
| 23:49.40 | sourdough | simonrvn wow |
| 23:49.53 | spacecowboy | @kick me |
| 23:49.58 | spacecowboy | nice |
| 23:57.16 | zorton | well after about a day of screwing around i'm happy to report that I have managed to compile and boot a coyp of 2.4.24-nubus on a 7100 |
| 23:57.32 | zorton | now I just have to get the modules installed and put another nubus card into it |
| 23:57.37 | sourdough | heh |
| 23:57.53 | sourdough | you found a nubus card? |
| 23:57.58 | zorton | compiled the thing on my g4 running 2.6.1 |
| 23:58.07 | zorton | sourdough: yeah got it form a guy in CA |
| 23:58.18 | zorton | asante ethernet card of some kind |
| 23:58.21 | simonrvn | ok, so what happens is that it gets limited, drives up the load, spawns a few subshells, then dies. *shrug* |
| 23:58.27 | sourdough | an archeologist? |
| 23:58.40 | zorton | i'll put it in pretty soon and see if I can give it a IP |
| 23:58.52 | simonrvn | wow |
| 23:58.56 | sourdough | simonrvn doesn't run long enough to touch the load on my boxes |
| 23:59.06 | sourdough | simonrvn its terminated within 1 second |
| 23:59.08 | simonrvn | oh *now* i'm lagging after hehehehe |
| 23:59.27 | sourdough | zorton that card actually have a driver? |
| 23:59.35 | zorton | sourdough: yeah last I checked |
| 23:59.50 | zorton | we'll see if we can build a little nat box outa this thing yet |
| 23:59.52 | zorton | twas fun |